A fresh voice on autism and vaccines
Posted on April 11th, 2008 – 1:57 PMBy Josephine Marcotty
There are few health topics that stir up more emotions than the debate about vaccines and autism.
No matter how many times scientists point to studies showing no connection, a lot of people can’t shake the suspicion that there must be some connection. Often, the debate seems to degenerate into a shouting match - with neither side giving much credence to the other.
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Now Dr. Bernadine Healy has weighed in with a provocative essay  in the latest U.S. News & World Report. Healy, the magazine’s health editor, is clearly part of the medical establishment - she once headed the National Institutes of Health and the American Red Cross. But she questions whether her fellow scientists have been too dismissive about the concerns. At the risk of inviting the usual suspects to talk past each other, what do you think could be done to satisfy the doubters and put these questions to rest?
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33 Responses to "A fresh voice on autism and vaccines"
Ms. Marcotty,
Although you start by referring to the “debate about vaccines and autism”, from your comments it is clear you are not looking for opposing viewpoints, which is how you define a debate.
First you write: “No matter how many times scientists point to studies showing no connection…”
I can say there are many more “scientists” whose research consistently show a plausable connection than the “epidemiologists” who show no connection. Do a search for Dr. Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Dr. Mady Hornig, Columbia University, Dr. Thomas Burbacher, University of Washington and Dr. Jill James, University of Arkansas. They are just a handful of the independent scientists whose work links vaccines to neurological damage in our children.
Later you pose the question “…what do you think could be done to satisfy the doubters and put these questions to rest?”
You would only label anyone who has a opposing viewpoint in a debate a “doubter” if you have already closed your mind to their ideas. Fair Point?
This little exercise shows us how the subject of autism and vaccines has been handled by the media. There has been very little debate on this issue; no one from the CDC or any public health agency has ever accepted to participate in one. Journalists and Trade group representatives maybe, but individuals who actually set vaccine policy? No.
You might notice that those willing to publicly declare that there is ablolsutely no link between vaccine and autism most often financial ties - which unfortunately for our children, includes advertising dollars.
Tim Kasemodel
Wayzata, MN
Since the Hannah Poling ruling I have seen many takes on the autism-vaccine issue. A question lingering in my mind is: of all the children who are vaccinated, how many of them become autistic? Has it reached epidemic proportions (no, we would have heard about it, I think.) I tend to believe in the concept of a combination of triggers, “underlying conditions” and genetics. I do know a family in which five of six children are on the autism spectrum… that leads me to blame genetics in their case. Aren’t there several genetic conditions that emerge from the combination of recessive genes? In other words, mom might be healthy/dad might be healthy, but put mom DNA with dad DNA and one gets unhealthy results… Tay Sachs? Cystic Fibrosis? (I admit to being only as informed as my brief encounters with a genetic counselor allowed.)
We chose to follow the recommended vaccine schedule for our children and are fortunate to have not witnessed any complications with them. I’ll say it is a little bit unnerving how the schedule tends to change… made me think, OK, so did my oldest child get a dangerous combination five years ago?? Or is my middle one actually not getting the same protection as the oldest and youngest? Isn’t the youngest getting that MMR a few months before the older two??? ETC. If one has kids with some years between one will see a discrepancy in how the vaccines are delivered and when. And, with regard to autism and other potential side effects (high fever, convulsions, etc) I always harbor a little anxiety for several days following the shots - the kids get watched a little more closely at our house…I can totally see why a parent would be fearful or skeptical enough to forego vaccines especially as anecdotes about the autism connection pop up with more frequency.
Mr. Kasemodel makes several good points.
As a physician who has seen previously developmentally normal children rapidly develop autism after after receiving vaccines I don’t doubt what I see. I also know as Dr. Healy points out that people can have very high levels of mercury in their body or brain as measured by special testing even if their blood level is zero. Mercury may not be the sole cause of potential problems with vaccines. Having said all of this vaccines do provide protection against very serious diseases and I have seen them prevent serious health problems in my patients too.
The vaccine question is not about proving which side is right, “vaccines are perfect for everyone regardless of what is true,” or “vaccines are evil regardless of what is true.” What will settle the issue is an honest look at ALL THE SCIENCE
continued. honest review of all the science, and not deciding what we think is truth and then selectively picking only evidence that supports what we want to be true in making arguments. This is ca complicated issue and that is why it is not just going to go away.
Claudia says: “A question lingering in my mind is: of all the children who are vaccinated, how many of them become autistic? Has it reached epidemic proportions (no, we would have heard about it, I think.)”
In the 1950, polio was declared an epidemic when it affected 1 in 3000. The autism rate used to be quoted at 4 in 10,000 (or 1 in 2,500) in 1980. The AAP raised an alarm in 2004 when they calculated 1 in 166 children. THe CDC’s official count is 1 in 150 (based on a study of 8-10 year olds born in 1992-1994). In 2007, there were 1 in 86 children in Minnesota schools age 6-17) with an educational diagnosis of autism. Minnesota leads the nation in autism prevalence (www.fightingautism.org). As for the increase, you cannot have a genetic epidemic (genes cannot change that quickly on a population basis). As the rates continue to rise, we keep hearing, that the increase is due to better diagnoses and greater awareness of the condition, as if doctors and teachers would have missed these children in the past. But if it is put down to better diagnosis and greater awareness (these kids have always been here) then people are NOT going to be alarmed. But where is the proof of this assertion? I have yet to find it.
Although you may see multiple children in the same families with autism, it does not mean that the cause is purely genetic; it may mean that the family has a genetic susceptibility to an outside environmental factor (and yes this includes some of the ingredients in the vaccines).
In the article, Ms. Marcotty states: “At the risk of inviting the usual suspects to talk past each other, what do you think could be done to satisfy the doubters and put these questions to rest?”
Implicit in Ms. Marcotty’s question is a dismissal of parent concerns, the same point of view that Dr. Healy was warning against in her article in US News and World Report. Parents have said what needs to be done for years, yet it seems, reporters, like the health officials, have not been listening.
Parents calling for vaccine safety and safe vaccination policy are grouped and called anti-vaccine activists by anyone who may disagree with the blanket statement that vaccines are safe. Vaccines are medicine. There are risks of side effects. The latest disclosure that a vaccination that combines measles, mumps rubella and chickenpox has a higher risk of seizures following administration than the MMR vaccine and chickenpox vaccine given separately is just one example.
1) Open and honest research into vaccine safety. This includes disclosing conflicts of interest by researchers and policy makers, including where their funding comes from.
2) The Weldon and Maloney bill comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children and their health outcomes needs to be done.
3) Separate the vaccine safety function from the CDC into a separate body. There is an inherent conflict of interest in having the same agency promote, develop, distribute and partner with drug companies also monitor the safety of the program.
These are only some of the suggestions parent have brought forth and have been dismissed.
These are great comments - I feel better informed. I appreciate Dr Hoch’s balanced perspective as a physician… neither alarmist nor dismissive. And I am intrigued by the Weldon Maloney bill cited in Laura K’s post. The correlation/causation question is the one that ties my mind in knots. How many autistic kids were vaccinated (and how many were not)? And how many (what percentage) of vaccinated children do not suffer ill effects? I know we are taking a calculated risk in following the recommended vax schedule. But I would not be able to sleep at night worrying about tetanus, whooping cough, etc. if we chose not to… that’s just us. I understand and respect parents who choose to take the risk of disease over the risk of autism especially if they have witnessed that outcome in other kids. Either choice involves risks, however!
Dr. Hoch reflects some of what Dr. Healy said in her essay. They both suggest that the scientific research on vaccines should continue, regardless of whether it might raise questions on what has without question been one of the greatest life saving advances in medicine. It seems as if the federal government is also finally going to include input from the public on how it should research safety questions. The CDC’s working group on vaccines will from now open itself up to public input. It’s always good to listen.
Ms. Marcotty
I hope you were able to listen to the call-in line for the NVAC’s Vaccine Safety Working Group Discussion. If not, hopefully a transcript will be available.
As an advocate for vaccine safety and a concern parent, I called-in and found the meeting to be a step in the right direction towards addressing public vaccine safety concerns. With the rare exception, most participants were truly concerned with vaccine safety, whether it was a lab researcher, a medical doctor, a public health worker, a journalist, or a parent of a vaccine injured child.
The consensus was, of course vaccines are important, but the one-size-fits-all growing national vaccine schedule must be scientifically scrutinized. Genetically, and biologically, children are different, so the best vaccination approach might be an individuated schedule. Vaccine adverse reactions could be greatly reduced with individualized testing, schedule changes and improved reporting of existing vaccine reactions. It’s clear that public trust is on a downward trend and changes must be made to increase vaccine safety, because reducing vaccine injury will increase public confidence the vaccination program.
This debate shows no signs of letting up. The one point that is almost never mentioned in discussions about vaccines and autism involves the role of the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is the agency that runs the vaccine program and they’re the people we turn to with questions about vaccine safety. It should come as no surprise that they always have a new study that
shows no link between vaccine and autism. Anyone looking at this type of research quickly sees that these epidemiological studies
merely look at numbers of people and the results can be easily manipulated to get the findings the researcher wants.
This kind of science was made popular back in the 1940s and 50s when the tobacco industry had endless studies showing that
smoking didn’t cause lung cancer. To legitimately address this controversy, we must turn it over to independent experts. We’ve had
too many years of conflicted oversight.
Anne McElroy Dachel
Media editor
Age of Autism
This debate shows no signs of letting up. The one point that is almost never mentioned in discussions about vaccines and autism involves the role of the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is the agency that runs the vaccine program and they’re the people we turn to with questions about vaccine safety. It should come as no surprise that they always have a new study that
shows no link between vaccine and autism. Anyone looking at this type of research quickly sees that these epidemiological studies
merely look at numbers of people and the results can be easily manipulated to get the findings the researcher wants.
This kind of science was made popular back in the 1940s and 50s when the tobacco industry had endless studies showing that
smoking didn’t cause lung cancer. To legitimately address this controversy, we must turn it over to independent experts. We’ve had
too many years of conflicted oversight.
Josephine Marcotty you said :No matter how many times scientists point to studies showing no connection, a lot of people can’t shake the suspicion that there must be some connection.
Maybe it is because of these good people at the CDC saying lets sit down and play a hand of cards, after they
conveniently stack the deck.
Down below is case in point
want to explain this, from the minutes
of the prestigious IOM meeting members being told to not find causation, you see science had nothing to do with it
they were ordered, it was on their contract !so much for the prestigious IOM
Dr. McCormick, for example, in speaking of the CDC, noted that the
agency
“wants us to declare, well, these things are pretty safe on a
population basis ( later she says what Walt wants Walt generally gets. I don’t know how Walt lives with his self it seems he is one of those responsible for the suffering of our children.
When byronchild asked CDC spokesperson Curtis Allen for a copy of the
contract that would detail the agreement between the IOM and the CDC,
Allen spokesperson of the CDC
stated that the contract would be available only in a heavily
“redacted” or
blacked-out format.
The IOM stated “no comment” to byronchild about the leaked transcript
or its
use in the pending civil court case.
Being lied to and parents being presented as buffoons, that does not know the science or how to interpret.
That does not build trust, that brings suspicion. They need to remember they are our servants not our masters!!!
Most of us have a God we don’t need them playing GOD
” Is it any wonder the IOM found no
association. After all they only did what they were ordered to do.
But we the public were being lied to.
these next sentence’s is from the IOM
minutes.
Down below are their own words
“We’ve got a dragon by the tail here,” states a committee member in the
transcript. “At the end of the line, what we know is - and I agree -
that
the more negative that presentation [the report] is, the less likely
people
are to use vaccination, immunization, and we know what the results of
that
will be. We are kind of caught in a trap. How we work our way out of
the
trap, I think, is the charge.”
so they were worried more about the vac’s. program falling on it’s face
even to the point of allowing more children to be poisoned
than they were for our children’s
welfare. And what I mean by poisoned
is 200 PPB liquid toxic waste,
a child in the 90’s may have gotten
32,500 PPB in one sitting that’s how messed up this current vacc.schedule
is and that is not including the other heavy metals or toxins included in vaccines that all cause apoptosis “AKA”
Neuron cell death
If this vaccine program is so good.
Here are the Stats
1 in 6 children having a neurological
learning disorder. one of the signs of mercury poisoning is a lowered IQ
We are number 44 in infant mortality
in all of the world yet we are the most vaccinated in all of the world.
On the MSDS for thimerosal it states
Decreased offspring survival “AKA” SIDS
Children are sicker today than ever before in history
1 in 82 children has Autism in MN.1 in 40 to 50 are boy’s
Girls are surpassing boys for the first time ever in science and higher math
Boy’s have testosterone which pulls in mercury an exaserbates the killing of the cells
Girls have estrogen that naturally pushes mercury away
Mercury poisoning effects boys 4 to 1 to girls so doe’s Autism “AKA” mitochondria dysfunction or disorder
We are not doubters, we are believers. Believers in what we witnessed with our own eyes, while the CDC refers to us as fringe-whackos, and misleads the public that events occurred around the same time. They label thousands of parents stories as anectdotal instead of the eye-witness testimony that it is.
The CDC can’t explain why when even their epidemiological study found a link higher than smoking and lung disease they made it go away. They added 1-3 year olds (not diagnosed yet), then added 17,000 children originally excluded because they were born with a birth defect, then decided only to go with original diagnosis (if at 2 had delayed language, but diagnosed at 3 with Autism, they could only count as language delayed). Five generations of watering down the study and still couldn’t make it go away completely. Still wondering why the issue won’t go away?
The CDC never tells the public about the six and eight year olds that have regressed after a flu vaccine or booster shots. That would ruin the “Autism just occurs when kids get lots of shots between 12 and 24 months”. Coincidence? So what’s it called when the child is six? CDC can’t explain why the original data disappeared or why they sold what was left to a private company that wouldn’t have to release it to freedom of information Act requests. Why did the CDC express alarm over the Brick Township “Autism Cluster” until they found out it wasn’t a cluster but was the going rate nation wide. They suddently dropped it all and have played duck and dodge ever since.
Maybe it won’t go away because we see the CDC deny “epidemic” while we see states like Oregon go from 3 kids 15 years ago to over 7,000 today. Indiana had 5 kids 15 years ago and now have over 13,000. Better diagnosis just doesn’t cut it, especially since our own pediatricians were incapable of not only recognizing classic autism but put us off and wasted precious intervention time.
Maybe it won’t go away because we are watching our schools go broke and seeing the waiting lists starting for adult care. Social security is already reporting record increases and the tsunami has not even hit yet.
In my county 1 in 3 children starting school now has Autism, Bi-polar disorder, or schizophenia. And I am suppose to believe this has always been this way. I see the drug cubbies at school with anti-depressents, anaphylactic kits, insulin, inhalers, and much more. While they protect the vaccine program they cannot use “Our healthy children” to back it up because we have the sickest generation of children ever in our nations history. We are soon to witness the first generation to live shorter lives than their parents. Any many will be on public assistance while they are still living.
Perhaps this will be “put to rest” as you put it when someone gives some answers that jive with reality and common sense. The fairy tales coming from the CDC haven’t worked so far, I’m just surprise that you are still wondering why!
Like Hannah Poling, many of us have said our children received vaccines, reacted, and became autistic from that point forward. No one is listening. Many of us have also recovered our children by treating vaccine injury, not autism. Nobody is listening to that either. It has appeared no one wants to listen because no one wants to deal with the truth and its horrendous aftermath.
Put that to rest! It’s not going away, it has only just begun.
In a congressional hearing FDA officer DR. Egan was asked, Why there hasn’t been any research done since 1929. The only research done was on 22 people
dying of meningitis. Congressman Burton said that they all died and we do not know if it is safe or not. This man freaked out, because on his watch, a generation of children was lost at a estimated cost of 200 to 400 billion a year.
In the next ten years, the Iraq war for all the time we have been there has cost I believe 406 Billion dollars that equates to a little over half to seven eights of the war so far, but this will be for the rest of these kid’s lives every year. You
would think, the CDC would stop turning out these kids at 3.2 to 5 million each. getting back to DR. Egan he almost could not talk, they had two women
from HHS on both sides of him walking arm and arm he looked like he was in shock. He actually looked like a deer caught in head lights. That’s when I personally got angry,and realized that these people don’t take vaccine safety serious. Our vaccine damaged kids are just collateral damage and the cost of doing business, here is how serious they take safety, this is
from the IOM meeting: Dr. Stratton: “We said this before you got here, and I think we said this
yesterday, the point of no return, the line we will not cross in public policy is to pull the vaccine, change the schedule. We could say it is time to revisit this but we will never recommend that level. Even
recommending research is recommendations for policy. We wouldn’t say compensate, we wouldn’t say pull the vaccine, we wouldn’t say stop the program.”
Similarly, Dr. McCormick, at page 97 in discussing whether autism could be associated with vaccines, stated that “we are not ever going to come down that it is a true side effect,” despite the fact that the committee had not yet considered any evidence on this issue. Just a thought, what if we are hurting children,? and we are.
In New jersey the autism
rate, I mean mitochondria dysfunction is 1 in 96 children and 1 in 50 boys.
In MN. 1 - 82 children 1 - 40 to 50
boys
DR.Stratton said it best “we will never recommend that level”
I guess she meant even to the point
of mass poisoning children.
I sent this to a pediatrician
Kidsdoc do you think it is smart, if a country poisons your dogs & cats
and then puts GHB date rape drug on your toys
then they put lead paint on toys, meant for
young children. And Then they find in caps, coming from China for teeth having lead in them .
YOU ! TRUST THEM TO MAKE OUR CHILDREN’S ” VACCINE’S ” ?????
were afraid the public will perceive us
asleep at the switch for decades for allowing this dangerous
compound ” speaking of thimerosal ” to remain in vaccines
Author of this statement was a FDA agent
source : was an E- mail obtained through freedom of information act “AKA” FOIA
from the FDA
This doe’s nothing for the building of
trust in fact this kind of malfeasance
creates justified suspicion
tell me why the CDC recommends at
all trimesters the flu shot for pregnant
women. Knowing or should be knowing
that the MSDS sheet states that preg.women should not be exposed to
their product because it crosses the placenta easily then inters the child. Causing mild to severe mental retardation. 90% of of all flu shots
contain 25 micro-grams of the worst mercury that depletes glutathione
inorganic, fish mercury methyl does not.
That is what full a strength child vacc. was in the 90’s and before,had contained.
Children get absolutely no benefit from the inactivated flu vacc.except that of a placebo. research back then reflected that, peer reviewed and in in a
journal. So what was Dir of the CDC trying to
accomplish.?? from the Simpson wood meeting they were warned by “Dr Weil
he said there is just a host of neurodevelopmental that would suggest we have a serious problem on our hands and the earlier you go with the thimerosal the more out comes you will see” So the Dir. knew this and proceeded to go even earlier than the
birth dose. ” If all that was not bad enough the CDC DIR. was ask by safe minds if she knew that the vaccine that
was out there was not for the strain that was out there. She immediately called a press conference and said:
There is some speculation that the vaccine out there is not for the strain that is out there. And they are correct,but you might get some benefit
Seems the DIR. thought some to no benefit to getting a case of something gone in days to a week was justified
over a life long disability and suffering that was back then before the IOM was bought off deemed biologically plausible.
what will settle the issue is an independent, well-financed study of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children. Why won’t the government support this?????????? Could they fear the results.
M. Meleck
North Augusta, SC
A-Champ-3rd district, SC
I’ve read daily about the autism/vaccine link since 2002. Toxicology studies, investigative articles, Congressional reports, children’s lab results. The science exists if only people make time to read it.
We must deal with the paradox that a product intended to improve health is having the opposite effect in some children. These children should not continue to be written off as collateral damage in the war on disease.
OK, I feel completely sick now. My 10-month-old twins have followed the vaccination schedule, though each time I have sweated bullets over it. I have a 6-year-old nephew with autism.
Anecdotally, I hear a lot from other parents about using a “delayed” schedule, where the child only receives one or maybe two vaccinations at a time (instead of SIX, which is what we are due for next).
I have been searching and searching and cannot find a sample schedule anywhere.
Vaccination is a nerve-racking jungle to try and find my way through.
Jennifer Twin Mom
The link below provides information and 3 alternative vaccination schedules
Jennifer twin mom
Use your head this is your child, not
the CDC or AAP’s the best they will do for you if autism strikes your family
is tell you that it most certainly was not the vaccines. Remember this these toxins and heavy metals go into a child very easy. The sad thing is they don’t come out the same way because the thimerosal targets the organs in the body mainly the lining around the brain and the brain. Then next it attacks the CNS, doe’s this sound like something you want in your child ? please learn from our mistakes unless you want 2 permanent baby’s for life with no chance to ever retire, going out to restaurants not allowed. family vacations nope,but lucky you,you get to change diapers for life cleaning diaper stuffing from all over the house cleaning smeared poop off walls and hands. yeeha are we having fun yet.
you will know what hell is with out even being there.
Ask your ped. this if 200 PPB is liquid toxic waste and a child that received multiple vacc. received 32,500 PPB in one day in mercury how could you not be hurting a child. then ask him if the MSDS sheet
on thimerosal states preg. women should not be exposed to their product because it can cross the placenta easily and enter the baby causing mild to severe
mental retardation why is the CDC recommending it at all 3 trimesters
in the flu shots..
And if they try to tell you this mercury is different say yeah it’s
two and a half times more toxic, and with the new news on mitochondria
we now know this is the worse mercury
because it turns into inorganic mercury in the brain where as the fish mercury does not, and inorganic mercury is the most damaging to the glutathione in the mitochondria
from the dad of a severely vaccine damaged 17 yr old boy. And don’t even
think you will get help from the NVICP
compensation fund it’s a mirage.
jennifer twin mom This is shocking
ask your self why this is not front
page news in this freedom of the press nation
These are our so called experts
On Tuesday, March 11, a conference call was held between vaccine safety officials at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, several leading experts in vaccine safety research, and executives from America’s Health Insurance Plans, (the HMO trade association) to discuss childhood mitochondrial dysfunction and its potential link to autism and vaccines.
It was a sobering event for all concerned, and it could soon become known as the Conference Call heard ’round the world.
Some researchers on the call reported that mitochondrial dysfunction is probably much more common than the current estimate of 1-in-4,000 people. The potential implications for autism, then, are staggering.
“We need to find out if there is credible evidence, theoretically, to support the idea that childhood mitochondrial dysfunction might regress into autism,” one of the callers reportedly told participants.
“THE CLOCK IS TICKING”
One person on the call (those interviewed for this article asked to remain anonymous) told me that, “the CDC people were informed, in no uncertain terms, that they need to look into this issue immediately, and do something about it.” The clock is ticking, they were told, and if they don’t respond, the information will be made public.
Still, the doctor said, he was enormously impressed by the “seriousness” with which CDC officials treated the possibility of a link between mitochondria, autism and possibly vaccines as well.
jennifer twin mom
I want to make this so difficult for you that you will wait till the childs brain is mature enough. And the immune
system is developed,enough to take the barrage of heavy metals and toxins that is in vaccines. so you don’t expirence the hell that is called autism.
This is what our vaccine people think may have happened
“Vaccines, in some cases, can cause an unusually heightened immune reaction, fever, and even mild illness,” one participant said. “A normal vaccine reaction in most kids would be very different in a kid with a metabolic disorder. We know it happened to at least two kids in this study, and I’m certain there are many more Hannahs out there.”
One theory currently in circulation about what happened to Hannah and other children like her, is an apparent “triple domino effect.” According to this hypothesis, it takes three steps and two triggers to get to some types of autism, and it goes like this:
STEP ONE: Child is conceived and born healthy, but with an underlying nuclear DNA genetic susceptibility to mitochondrial dysfunction, inherited from dad.
TRIGGER ONE: An early environmental “adversity” occurs in the womb or during the neonatal period, perhaps caused by prenatal exposure to heavy metals, pollutants, pesticides and medicines. Or, it occurs in early infancy, through environmental toxins, thimerosal exposure, or even the Hepatitis B vaccine “birth dose.” This trigger results in:
STEP TWO: Child develops mild, usually asymptomatic mitochondrial dysfunction (though I wonder if the ear infections and eczema so common in these cases might also be symptoms of mito problems).
TRIGGER TWO: Child, now with an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, suffers over-stimulation of the immune system beyond the capacity of his or her metabolic reserves. This stress is either via a viral febrile infection, or from multiple vaccinations, as in the Poling case. This trigger results in:
STEP THREE: Acute illness, seizures, encephalopathy, developmental regression, autism.
Such a scenario might help explain why autism has increased right along with the addition of more vaccines to the national schedule.
And it might help explain why autism rates are not plummeting now that thimerosal levels have been significantly reduced in most childhood vaccines.
It’s possible that exposures from the flu shot, and residual mercury left over in other vaccines — perhaps in synergistic effect with aluminum used as an “adjuvant” to boost the immune response - might “contribute to the toxic mix that causes childhood mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place,” one of the doctors said.
Then again they are not sure who is and is not at risk for vaccine damage.
but there is one thing for sure they are willing to risk, your child.
Are you?
On the MMR there is something called the double hit if you get only one you most likely wont get the bowel disorder that the measles in the MMR causes.
good luck! vaccines now are at best a crap shoot.
Dear Josephine..Many hundreds, if not thousands, of families report that their autisic children make definite developmental/verbal progress with mercury-chelation therapy…My autistic daughter spoke for the first time at age seven one month after starting mercury-chelation therapy. If mercury was not a causal factor in her autism then I would like somebody to explain to me why she started talking for the first time in her life after just thiry days on a mercury-chelation regimine. Tim Ziegeweid.
jennifer twin mom this is for you
Vaccine `Causing’ Deadly Pneumonia Increase
LONDON, April 14: Cases of a life-threatening form of pneumonia that
affects the young are rising rapidly in Britain. It now affects around
1,000 children a year. The cause of the increase is unknown but
experts fear a vaccine in the immunisation programme could be
contributing. This severe pneumonia infects the lining of the lungs
called the pleura, making it hard to breathe. It requires hospital
admission to drain the chest cavity. The children affected are
frightened and in pain and many undergo surgery to scrape out the
contents of the pleura ~ a process called surgical debridement. Child
health specialists say cases of the pneumonia, known as serotype 1,
have risen tenfold in a decade. They warn that a vaccine against
pneumococcal disease called Prevenar, introduced in 2006, could be
fuelling the rise.
OK. Clearly this blog is attracting anti-vaccine biased posters at the moment. I already stated that I know we are taking a calculated risk by having our kids follow the recommended course of vaccines. I don’t plan to stop, though I will look at the information on alternative schedules (fewer at a time, etc.) going forward.
My question to those opposed to vaccines - what do you propose we do to combat polio, diptheria, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, etc.? I am asking you this with all due respect, not to be combative. Honestly, when deciding between risk of autism and risk of tetanus from a playground accident, what do you all recommend? Also, I assume you have not had your kids vaccinated or have stopped having them vaccinated in light of all that you cite.
Maybe you will get a nice good case of Autism and learn what real heart ache
is. When your child beats himself silly
or I even heard from the hospital, that
my child as severe as he is they have a
little girl that gouges ruts in her face but if you can read all that these bas**rds has done and continue to trust
them then you deserve what you get. Funny how the amish don’t vacc. and their children are more healthier than the normal children that do. Remember
these jerks allowed 32,500 PPB of mercury, then defended it knowing that
200 PPB is liquid toxic waste. all the
while knowing that:
It is clear from this research supported by a grant from the American
Medical Association that Thimerosal is neither efficacious nor safe,
and
should be removed as a preservative in prescription biologics and
pharmaceutical products, as well as from topical over-the-counter
products
such as Butt-Balm that have Thimerosal present in their formulations
as an
active ingredient.
hope you are good at craps
Claudia
do you think it is smart, if a country poisons your dogs & cats
and then puts GHB date rape drug on your toys
then they put lead paint on toys, meant for
young children. And Then they find lead in caps for teeth coming from china.
YOU ! TRUST THEM TO MAKE OUR CHILDREN’S ” VACCINE’S ” ?????
were afraid the public will perceive us
asleep at the switch for decades for allowing this dangerous
compound ” speaking of thimerosal ” to remain in vaccines
Author of this statement was a FDA agent
source : was an E- mail obtained through freedom of information act “AKA” FOIA
from the FDA
Joe Harris - were you addressing me when you said “maybe you’ll get a good case of autism … etc?” I hope not. I’ve buried a child so I think I have an idea of what heartache is, thank you.
I was asking a question about what to do about the diseases that vaccines prevent. Not once have I said that the vaccine-autism link is bunk - I’ve said that we have chosen to vax despite the autism theory. In fact much of the recent information is quite compelling and persuasive.
If you were not addressing me, then fine. But I surely hope you aren’t wishing any ill on anyone.
Dear Claudia..You do the parents of autistic children a disservice when you refer to them as “anti-vaccine biased posters”..I can assure you that everybody who has posted comments here is strongly in favor of thimerosal-free single dose vaccines. I am sure that nobody would mind if you refered to them as “anti-mercury-biased-posters”..That description would be much more in keeping with the facts. TZ
PS..I forgot one question..Can anybody, pro,or anti-thimerosal, explain why mercury-chelation is such an effective therapy for so many autistic children if mercury is not a contributing factor in our children’s autism. What else could the chelation therapy possibly be doing to help our kids?…Anybody have an believable alternate explanation for me? TZ
Dear Timothy,
Thank you for the clarification. Can you really be certain that everyone here is not anti-vax, but anti-mercury-biased only? of course this particular discussion has a ridiculously small sample size - only thirteen unique individuals among the -now - 32 responses. It would be difficult for anyone to convincingly take any of our replies as evidence of a prevailing opinion or trend. I’ve been engaged in and witness to online discussions on this topic that have generated 200+ responses from all corners.
Secondly, I am more aware in “real life” (as opposed to “blog life” of people who are opposed to all vaccines as a matter of principle (not just the mercury-based aspect.) Pardon me for making that leap in this forum - that was careless. Now I see that my question to this tiny group of people in re “what to do about tetanus, etc” was irrelevant to the discussion if your assertion is correct, Timothy. I’ll take that question elsewhere.
Hello Claudia…Thanks very much for your reply. I can say with complete confidence that the Kasemodels, Nancy H. and my good friend Anne Dachel are defintely “anti-mercury” and not “anti-vaccine”..and I strongly suspect that the others feel the same way….Anti-vaxers have a completely different set of priorities than good folks like Anne, Nancy, Tim, Laura and myself…Anti-vaxers want vaccines eliminated…Autism-parents want vaccines made safer..I have been battling with many members of my extended family for years on the thimerosal-autism issue because my family is geneticly susceptible to auto-immune conditions(WE HAVE ONE OR TWO MEMBERS WITH EVERY KNOWN A-I CONDITION)and the one response I get when ever I try to explain the link between thimerosal and my daughter’s autism is..”..OKAY!..SO YOU ARE NOT AGAINST VACCINES????”..In thirteen years of dealing with sheryl’s autism I have never once adivsed anybody not to vaccinate their children..(I always tells folks to use single-dose mercury-free vaccines) but I have found out that several family members..all of them married to doctors…have accused me of being “against all vaccinations”….This “Your an anti-vaxer” response is commonly used by members of my family in the medical establishment because they find it easier to make false accuasations then to have to defend the practice of injecting children with a known nuero-txin. As to your question “what do we do about tetanus, etc…” my response would be “If there are safe mercury-free vaccines that can be used to prevent those types of diseases then by all means USE THEM!…Tim
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