Measles: It’s back!
Posted on May 7th, 2008 – 12:15 PMBy Josephine Marcotty
We had measles licked, or so public health people believed. In 2000 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declared that the measles vaccine had been so effective that the highly infectious and often dangerous disease had virtually disappeared in the United States.
Well, it’s back. Between January and April 64 cases were reported in this country, the highest number since 2001. The primary reason, according to the CDC, is the rising number of parents who choose not to have their children vaccinated for personal or religious reasons. Of the infected children 14 were old enough to have gotten vaccinated, but had not been.
None of the cases were in Minnesota. But there were a handful in Wisconsin. Kris Ehresmann, head of immunizations for the Minnesota Department of Health, said she would not be surprised to see some here. Like elsewhere in the country, the number of unvaccinated children is increasing in Minnesota. Ten years ago it used to be less than one percent of school kids, she said. Now, it’s two to three percent.
“The folks who are unvaccinated because of personal belief can allow an outbreak to happen,” she said. “They can spread disease to people who are too young to be vaccinated or can’t be for medical reasons.”
Now, before the fears of autism and mercury rears its ugly head, here’s an important fact. The measles vaccine, which is included in the measles, mumps, rubella series, doesn’t have mercury and never did.
The people who are now parents of young children have heard a lot about the fear of vaccines. But they’ve never experienced measles and what measles can do. Before the vaccine, three to four million people had measles every year, most of them children; 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis, according to the CDC.
“I was one of first to get the vaccine in 1963,” Ehresmann said. “Parents had seen disease, but now it seems historical and antiquated.”
So here’s the question. Would you let your baby who had not yet been vaccinated, be in contact with older children whose parents chose not to vaccinate them? After all, measles is just one of many infectious diseases.
“I don’t want to shun these individuals,” Ehresmann said. “But if you think there might be disease transmission, it’s something you might want to consider.”
91 Responses to "Measles: It’s back!"
This article is just blatant fear mongering…..Do your own research! Parents should be concerned about what effects vaccines are having on their children’s health now and in the future. Mercury is not the only concern with vaccines. If I had known what I know now about vaccines I would not have had my kids vaccinated especially on the insane schedule the CDC promotes. Parents should continue to have a CHOICE in the matter, they should not be forced as many health officials would like to see happen.
I am a parent of young children (7 & 5) who are vaccinated. I’ve even gone “beyond” the basic recommendations and had my kids vaccinated against varicella (chicken pox) because I’ve never had it. I am utterly amazed by parents who don’t choose to vaccinate their children. I would not willingly let my baby be in contact with kids who are not vaccinated and have knowingly been exposed to the illnesses that we vaccinate for today.
For whatever reason, this past winter seemed especially miserable for colds and flu. My family went through many bouts of strep, flu, and so on. I even came down with bacterial meningitis and was hospitalized for 2 weeks.
Are we breeding super-bacteria and viruses? Let’s keep the lid on the diseases we currently *can* control through vaccination.
I have to agree with Health freedom lover, a lot of these articles are just trying to scare people into something that is not right for everyone. I’m not anti-vaccine, but I think the schedule needs to be overhauled. We pump our babies full of this stuff from the get go.
I recommend parents read “What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children’s Vaccines” by Stephanie Cave. It explains what each vaccine does and it’s history and she even includes an alternate vaccination schedule that spreads them out a bit more. I believe the author is a pediatrician. Even if you don’t alter your child’s vaccination schedule, it’s still a good read for the background and information about each vaccine.
Anyone “utterly amazed by parents who don’t chose to vaccinate their children” has not lived the heart break of watching their child go from healthy to autistic before their very eyes.
Vaccinate or don’t vaccinate, but be educated in your decision and understand that some people opting not to vaccinate are weighing risks much greater than chicken pox.
When you’ve seen your child have a horrible life-changing effect from a vaccine, you would see this article as the propaganda it is. If I had another child I would NOT get any vaccines. The sorrow that you feel for harming your child when you think you are doing a “good” is unfathomable. Don’t listen blindly to doctors who want to vacinate your child, you may spend a lifetime hating yourself. Some people only want the “greatest good” but when your child suffers from a vaccine reaction you will feel differently. Sadly, there is nothing that can alter the effects.
I don’t understand why vaccines are not required by law, unless of course there is an allergy or something. I think that the government should mandate them, so I guess I would be in the “utterly amazed” category.
When you’ve seen a child get horribly sick because of an illness that could have been prevented with a vaccine, you realize that this is not propaganda, but information put out by people genuinely concerned about everyone’s health. The information about the MMR and autism has been proven to have been started by a British doctor who had an economic stake in an alternate vaccine, and has since been disproved. It is totally reasonable and good to be concerned about your kids’ health, but don’t go so far over the cliff in one direction that you lose sight of reality. There are KNOWN risks to not vaccinating and possible, unproven risks to doing so. I’m not propagating one way or the other, it’s an individaul choice. On a slightly different topic, are some people so convinced that this is what is causing autism that they are neglecting to look at other reasons that may be the real culprit? That would be sad.
Um - we are not the only ones on the planet with difficulties and issues with the MMR and autism… take Denmark for example…. and this was from 4 years ago.
Measles anti-bodies are in a much larger amount in children with autism than children without.
Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention. Since I experienced measles long before the vaccine was licensed, I consider myself fortunate that I didn’t develop complications from the disease. Sadly, I have read over the years since about the children (and adults) that have not been as lucky as me. Thanks to the enormous value of vaccines, we don’t hear about these incidents very much any more. But, with the recent hype about unfounded vaccine safety concerns, parents are doubting the value of vaccines. By not vaccinating their child, they face a risk that no parent should take!
I have to agree with the above about autism. So far there is no proof that vaccinations cause autism. There are so many environmental factors that were not present when we were kids, that any one of those could also be the cause. Have you seen the reports about what’s in our drinking water? What about the hole in the ozone? The levels of polution? Which of these if any is the true cause of autism? Who knows with absolute certainty?
Back on the topic, true the amount of vaccinations received by infants and the schedule for them should be examined. Do we have to do them all at once? Probably not.
I got Rheumatoid Arthritis from an MMR shot when I was 22 years old, in excellent health, and weighing about 120 pounds. What do you think vaccines can do to an infant who is only 10 pounds? Do you think their body can handle the heavy metals (mercury, aluminum), formaldehyde, cells from animals and other humans, etc. Go here to see the CDC’s own list of ingredients in each vaccine, and remember that these substances are being injected directly into your and your childrens’ bodies, bypassing the the usual lines of defense. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
It’s ridiculous that a parent would not let their child play with an unvaccinated child, but they would allow these things to be put into their kids. Vaccinated children suffer from more ear infections. Vaccinated children have weaker immune systems and are therefore more susceptible to other viruses and bacteria. Nobody knows enough about the immune system to develop a safe vaccine - we are playing Russian roulette with an intricate and sensitive system. And scientists cannot screen animal cells for viruses we don’t yet know about, so think of the undetected diseases you may be getting along with the vaccines. Futhermore, vaccines do not even offer immunity for longer than about 7 or 8 years on average. Is that risk worth it? You might as well let your child play with a wild, rabid animal for that matter.
Do some research before letting sensationalized reports like this one make your mind up for you. A healthy immune system is the best defense against disease.
People who are paranoid about vaccines and say we “pump our babies full of them” don’t know what they’re talking about. Today’s vaccines put together contain fewer antigens than used to be in a single dose of smallpox vaccine. And even that didn’t compare to what the immune system very competently handles every day, even in a newborn baby.
They need to get their facts straight before they encourage others to put their kids at risk, especially since these same kids can infect friends or neighbors who weren’t able to be vaccinated. If the nonvaccinators all wanted to move to some island and live together in their infectious glory, fine with me, but I don’t want them among the rest of us.
Wow! People are so quick to blame and point fingers! You’d think humankind with all of our available resources would take some personal accountability and do the research before jumping to conclusions and blaming this or that for all that ails us. Or that people would actually try to do something to prove one way or the other. Instead there is so much jumping to conclusions. C’mon people get your facts straight!
I think this statement below will/should end this crazy debate. At least for those who can add/subtract and rationalize logical thought processes. And if you think the FDA is in the best interest of looking out for you - you might want to take another look.
“In a 1986 outbreak of measles, in Corpus Christi, Texas, 99 percent of the effected children had been vaccinated.” ***
*** New England Journal of Medicine Mar 26 1987
Sharon, I find it funny you quoted my “pump our babies full of them” when discussing non-vaccinators when I specifically said I’m not anti-vax. All I said was the schedule should be overhauled and spread out, maybe you should go back and read and get your facts straight.
Oh, educated guy, maybe you should use those thought processes yourself. If some people have measles now, but we don’t all have it, maybe that has something to do with vaccines.
The measles virus in of itself is not deadly if your immune system is not compromised. The only reason why children cannot get the vaccine before age one is because the MMR vaccine is comprised of a “live” virus which could be detrimental to children. The only problem with this blatent fear mongering is to help the CDC to keep up their fallible herd immunity rates. People are more concerned with losing a few days of work to take care of their children so they rationalize that vaccines are the logical saving grace. Natural immunity acquired is far greater than man-made immunity. In fact, unless those who are complaining that the unvaccinated children are causing the outbreaks, I hope the adults had also received their boosters as the vaccine efficacy rate is not permanent. So go ahead and get pumped full of preservatives and hope you don’t develop Alzheimers, or ADHD, or other host of multifactorial diseases that are plaguing our nation. I hope you have excellenct health insurance. You’ll need it for the therapy and drugs to soothe your conscience and pain. Vaccines are not a subsitute for conscious good health. They do not prevent colds, or infections. They are designed to produce a reaction from your body (antigen) so that “if” your body becomes attacked (IF), then your body will stimulate a response to attack the intruder. If the vaccine was developed in eggs or casein or bovine (cow) cells or monkey kidney cells, well guess what, your body will recognize those properties to be intruders and hence you will develop allergies (antigen) to those properties. Why do you think there are so many dairy, cow, gluten, egg allergies….well duh!
Research people, research. Don’t let someone in a white coat and a government bureaucrat dictate your good sense to do your own research. And don’t just google….try a scholarly source for some credibility. Even google scholar is acceptable…definitely not Wikipedia (the encylopedia “anyone” can edit) Shameful.
Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power.
As a vaccine injured person who is now healthy, how dare you or anyone else think you have the right to decide what is best for someone else.
Do a bit of homework, do you know how many Drs opt out of vaccines for themselves or their children?
Vaccination is a medical decision and should be between parent child and dr, instead it has become a billion dollar industry where special interest groups work to get a product mandated through fear mongering and political contributions.
Look @ the chickenpox vaccine it has been linked with increased cases of shingles but who cares as long as they are vaccinated right?
Where I live in NY there were cases of whooping cough and they pushed the booster for older kids, the local media busted them for almost none of the so called cases of whooping cough being laboratory confirmed, All the person interviewed could say is it does not matter if there was an increase in cases or not the vaccine will protect those at risk—-The whole point of adding the booster requirement was because they were misleading people into thinking there were increased cases, something they could not know without lab confirmation.
I actually know someone who took the booster and had a seizure, but I guess that is OK because he was protected from a fictitious rise in whooping cough cases.
Lastly on to the supposed measles out break, it is interesting this is hitting the media right as people are speaking out in record numbers about vaccines, and as kids in India have died from measles vaccination. Below is a link that pretty much shows how the CDC is spinning this and playing on the fear of those who can’t think for themselves.
http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/2008/05/deja-vu-spinning-measles.html
One thing the article does not mention is the fact that the MMR vaccine was created from cells from a(n) aborted fetus(s). Some people choose to not to participate in the use this vaccine because of the cell line it comes from. At this time, the United States does not offer an alternative to the MMR, but does for Measles-Rubella and Mumps-Rubella. The trick is getting your doctor to order them. The same goes for Chicken Pox, although there is no ethical alternative available.
Actually, Janie the reason that children cannot get MMR before age 1 is because live vaccines can be interfered with by maternal antibody, which we are all born having. So it may not produce immunity. By age 1, this antibody has worn off. Again, I have no problem with people making up their own minds, but I do have a problem with people having bad information and passing it on to others. There are good homeopathic practitioners out there, but there are also a lot that pass opinion as fact. That is not “research.” I have seen children with pertussis who were not vaccinated because their parents thought they were doing the right thing. You do not want a baby to “build up immunity” to pertussis. It can, and does, kill. There is no way around that. And if your child has measles and I am pregnant, she can potentially cause my baby to have lifelong problems to die. There is no way around that. People who do not immunize are usually protected by herd immunity (the rest of us), and they need to remember that. A lot of people used to die from htese diseases in America and they still would if most of us weren’t immunized. There is also no way around that.
I wonder how many times “fear mongering” was said in the comments here? Interesting, the anti-vaccine people always claim that’s what the media are doing. But, isn’t that what you’re doing too by claiming vaccinated children “have weaker immune systems” “allergies” “ear infections” etc?
So that means that 50 out of 64 were vaccinated but got sick nonetheless. That’s 78%.
It’s not up to anyone else to decide what’s best for me. I can choose to smoke, not wear seatbelts, get tattoos and eat McDonald’s everyday - but I should let the government decide about vaccinations? I don’t think so. Whatever else you believe, fact is there is aluminum, formaldehyde and in some cases ethyl mercury in vaccines and I should be able to decide if I want to inject myself and/or my kids with those toxins. Period. It’s my responsibility and noone else’s.
This is the most biased piece of poorly researched anti-parent, anti-health slop I have yet to read. The facts quoted in this article even dispute it’s premise! 78% percent of those who contracted measles this year were vacinated - based on the facts in the article. Based on the facts in the article prior to vacines you had a 1 in 6,000 chance of dying from the measles. This is far greater than the 3 to 6 in 1,000 chance of having an autistic child.
If you feel the government has done an adiquate job with Social Security, Medicare or even fiscal responsibility then by all means talk to your legislators about “mandating” vacines, but if you think that you and ONLY you can make the right decision for your family and your children then make your decision and let me make mine.
Again, how many people were exposed and DID NOT get measles? Think all the way through, please.
Wahtever your choice, if you coose not to immunize it does affect others. That’s why they are INFECTIOUS diseases. What if people had all opted out of smallpox vaccine? Yes, that used to make a lot of people sick. Then we vaccinated. Now it is gone. That’s how it works.
I’m surprised no one mentions how we are creating a completely ‘antibacterial’ world where we are so paranoid about germs that everything we employ for cleanliness in our homes has the potential to wipe out all the friendly flora our bodies need to support a healthy immune system. Then we have parents who scream for antibiotics for every little illness their children have, further depleting the bodies natural resistances and creating a ‘dead zone’ of an immune system, or the general inability of one’s immunities to provide protection after use of antibiotics. It’s no wonder everyone spent a miserable winter, sick for weeks on end with one form of illness or another. Our bodies, once so brilliantly designed to fight off minor colds, coughs and flu, have now been compromised so badly by the ‘germ warriors’ that a simple sniffle has the potential to lead to a far more deadly outcome.
I grew up having chicken pox and measles; all my siblings did. My son, vaccinated against varicella- which does not prevent development of chicken pox, only makes it less dangerous should you get the disease- had chicken pox anyway and now carries the antibody. And for those crying foul regarding the autism and vaccine line, this has been disproven time and again. Enough already! Let the kids run free, eat dirt, crawl on a messy floor and wash their hands with a bar of soap, for pete’s sake. The diligence with which parents these days are waging war on germs is literally killing us.
Clearly parents NEED to do their homework BEFORE they play Russian Roulette with the life of their child. I have been a pediatric nurse for over 30 years and have witnessed more than I care to talk about in this forum. However, I strongly suggest that you watch this brief story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgSrEzkFGyg
Based on my own experience with my little patients I can actually say that some things in life are more cruel than death. With that said, being a responsible parent and knowing that a childs disability or death could very well be caused from a parent who chose to be uneducated about what is being injected into their child is not acceptable.
YOU are the parent. DO NOT trust or leave this in the hands of a doctor or the government. From experience I can say … Neither will be there to comfort you in the end.
Speaking as the mother of a child with Asperger’s Syndrome and the aunt of a child with autism, I well understand parents’ desire to find someone, anyone, to “blame” for their child’s condition, whether in order to obtain some help with the often overwhelming financial burdens associated with parenting these special children or simply to have the psychological relief of knowing that it’s someone else’s “fault”, and most specifically not their own. Unfortunately, there is no one to blame, no one at fault, no one whose pockets we can pick or at whose leering, profit-mongering face we can point fingers. How many scientific studies is it going to take before parents are willing to accept the truth? Instead of teaching our children that the most important thing in dealing with a condition is to find the person to blame for it, let’s set them a good example and put as much effort into helping them realize their full potential as we’d like to put into the blame game.
Fact Checker says:
When I checked the CDC article about the measles outbreak, it said that only 1 of the 64 people who got measles was fully vaccinated (2 shots). That nmeans 63 weren’t vaccinated or never had measles before. Here’s the CDC article: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm57e501a1.htm
It also said that only 14 of the 64 were too young to be vaccinated (14 were younger than 12 months); so the Strib story seems to have got that info wrong.
But the most important thing is that 14 of the 64 people had to be hospitalized! That scares me. When I was a young girl (1964), I knew a 12 year old who died from measles.
The other thing is that 17 of the 64 people got infected when visiting a medical facility! So, the person who’s sick with measles goes to the doctor the same time your unvaccinated kid goes, and your kid contracts measles. I think it’s too scary to deny your kids vaccines.
As a Mom I look with concern at the vaccine schedule for a baby born today, as opposed to when my first child was born in 1988, and I’m shocked by how many shots are required now!
Neither my husband nor I had many of the vaccines given today (I think we got small pox, pertusis and polio vaccines), instead we had the actual diseases, as did everyone in his family and everyone in mine (as well as all of our friends), and we can’t recall anyone having a really serious reaction to the actual diseases — yes, I know statistically some do — but for almost everyone who got the disease, other than missing a few days of school you survived, and you had lifetime immunity to chicken pox, mumps, measles, rubella, etc.
Autism aside, vaccines can cause injuries and serious reactions (my son had a severe allergic reaction to the DPT) — as can the actual diseases.
That said, I feel parents should have the right to choose if and when to vaccinate.
Susan,
That said, I would strongly suggest that all parents who feel compelled to Vaccinate their child read this:
I am a responsible parent wishing to have my child vaccinated because I think it is in the best interest of my child. OK… and because my doctor told me I should and the Government says it is some kind of law and I need to do it or my child will not be able to go to school one day.
I have read all available information and studies about the pros and cons of Vaccinations. I have also met with and spoken to parents of Vaccine injured children to learn more about Vaccine Injury and to help me make an informed decision on my own childs vaccinations.
As an educated consumer and a responsible parent, I am fully aware of the contents of each vaccine and the consequences each ingredient imposes on the health of my child. I am fully aware that many of these ingredients are toxins.
I fully understand that a consequence of a Vaccination can be a lifetime of health disorders, chronic illness, Neurological disorders and even death.
I am prepared to deal with any and all of the consequences should my child have an immediate or delayed reaction to a Vaccination.
I am able and willing to provide 24 hour necessary medical care for my child.
I am able and willing to provide 24 hour hands on necessary care for my child.
I am able and willing to seek out Chelation, Detox, HBOT and other therapies and pay for them should my child become injured from a vaccine.
I am able and willing to take my child back and forth to any and all special education programs, and other necessary appointments.
I am able and willing to engage in support groups with other more experienced parents who have vaccine injured / ill children so that I can learn more about the special needs of vaccine injured children and how to better care for my own child.
I am able and willing to financially support ALL medical and life needs that are NOT covered under insurance.
I understand that MOST of the needs of a Vaccine Injured child are NOT covered by any insurance.
I fully understand that neither the doctor that injected the vaccine nor the manufacturer that made the vaccine are responsible for any illnesses or injuries caused to my child from a vaccine. I requested the vaccination and I am responsible for my child.
I am able and willing to purchase all durable goods and medical equipment that my child may need as well as modify my house should my child need to be in a wheel chair.
I am able and willing to sell anything I have of value to help pay for all the lifelong medical needs for the duration of my childs natural life.
If necessary, I will sell my business, my home and any other items of value. I will also make sure that all funds from any inheritances I should receive are left to my child to care for his needs should I die.
I am able and willing to provide all necessary specific foods and suppliments that may be necessary for my Vaccinated injured child for the duration of his natural life.
I fully understand that I, as a responsible parent making this serious decision to Vaccinate my child am fully and solely responsible for the outcome and all care which may be necessary for my child and will not hold anyone else including the doctor who injected the vaccine, the company who manufactured it, or the government responsible for my decision.
I understand all of the above and yes, I do want to Vaccinate my child today.
Forced Anarchy, please tell me how many doctors opt out of vaccinations for themselves and for their children. This will be most interesting cocktail party conversation for me (vaccinated doctor), my husband (vaccinated doctor), our kids (vaccinated up the yin-yang), and the majority of our friends (those who are doctors, all of whom are vaccinated and vaccinated their own kids). I just received a Tdap vax three weeks ago, and had an MMR booster three years ago.
Let’s do away with all vaccines! Bring back smallpox! Bring on the polio!
Some vaccines are more for convenience than others; some are lifesaving. I’d rather have the polio vaccine than polio. I knew a couple of people that had the lasting life-long effects of polio; I knew a woman who had contracted it during the last major outbreak before widespread vaccination, and had problems with her legs from infancy on. However, unless you are either very old or in poor health to begin with, the flu vaccine seems more like a convenience factor to me.
Personally, I would rather have had my kid contract chickenpox the old fashioned way. I know someone who’s kid grew up before the vaccine, and didn’t happen to catch it when all the other kids did. She finally got it in her early 20’s - and almost died from it. The chickenpox vaccine doesn’t last forever, and I think it could mean more problems from adults who were vaccinated as children, then catch it as adults once it’s worn off.
If vaccination works well enough to prevent an outbreak of any strain of any virus - the only people at risk are those who do not vaccinate.
But this article is talking about the danger unvaccinated kids pose to everyone, which means they do understand that vaccines don’t protect against all strains.
The thing that gets me about that is if you understand that not all strains of a virus are protected against - you would understand that vaccinated wouldn’t prevent an outbreak of a strain not covered by the vaccine.
Actually there are MANY pediatricians who do not follow the CDC Schedule for their own children. Yet, these same pediatricians “fire” their patients when they do not want to vaccinate their kids.
It all adds up to 2 things, Money and keeping their license. Vaccines are BIG money to everyone involved … that is except the one on the other end of the shot.
Dear Pediatric Nurse,
I am aware that one of the risks of walking out my front door in the morning is that I may be hit by a car and spend the rest of my life as a quadriplegic, unable to earn a living and dependent upon others for my most basic care.
I am aware that one of the risks of taking a Tylenol for a headache is that some maniac has poisoned it and I may die in writhing agony.
I am aware that one of the risks of going out for an evening of dancing is that I may turn an ankle on the dance floor, and sustain a compound fracture causing infection and necessitating an eventual amputation of my foot.
Although I admit that I am unable to commit in advance to shouldering the full cost of care for my quadriplegia, funeral, psychological intervention for my grieving relatives, or prosthetic limb, believe it or not, I still choose to leave my house in the morning, take Tylenol for headaches, and, most foolhardy of all, dance.
My 3 year old has autism. Never for a second did I consider the MMR vaccine to be the cause. No, it’s not easy to have a child diagnosed with autism, but I would never have hesitation to have my child get a vaccine that has worked for a very long time.
I have a very difficult time understanding people that believe that vaccines have caused their child’s ills. Pediatric Nurse - how DARE you blame ME for my child’s autism! The cause is genetic. No link has been shown to tie it to a vaccine. My child exhibited autistic symptoms WELL before his MMR shot. I just knew to look for them. Maybe health care professionals should be looking out for those symptoms at well visits.
My child is a happy, THRIVING 3 year old, who just HAPPENS to have autism. He is not suffering a fate worse then death……
let’s look at some of these vaccinations for real:
DPT - Susan, whose son had a reaction to DPT, most likely had the shot prior to 2002 because DPT has been replaced with the safer partial cell version called DPaT. This vaccination is safer and prevents children from being amongst the 300,000 who die every year because of whooping cough.
MMR - This is one of the oldest vaccines and when it first came out it was loaded with Mercury. If this was a definitive Autism trigger then why wasn’t the Autism increase in the baby Boomer generation as opposed to now when this vaccine now has no mercury in it because of the single dose version available in the USA.
If natural vaccines are so much better then the ones doctors give us then why were there over 3,000,000 vaccine preventable deaths in 2000?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_schedule
Vaccine’s save lives.
Last year I suffered from hearing loss thanfully due to a rubella vaccine. My infant at the same time suffered from convulsions, high-pitched screaming for 3 days, developmental delays, and regression in milestones last year with a few of his recommended shots. The extent of his injuries may not be evident until the school years (learning disablities), and my 14 yr old’s right eye was damaged after 1 dose of Hep B. We have lived a nightmare. I would take any one of those diseases any day. People who are terrified of unvaccinated people are quite ignorant. Actually, their VACCINATED children are a threat to everyone around them for up to 6 weeks. Anyone that reads the vaccine literature would know this (which is in the box at the doctor’s office). Obviously, people are still living in a bubble and don’t think to question authority…I asked my doctor how safe formaldehyde was for my infant (hello, we inject this into DEAD people to preserve them?). My doctor couldn’t tell me because no studies have been done. Yes, vaccines sure are safe when NONE of the chemicals have been tested. Can you say HUMAN GUINEA PIGS??
I’m curious. If vaccines are so effective, why are vaccinated people so concerned with non vaccinated people? I’m vaccinated, I’m just curious.
Arent vaccines supposed to protect you when you are exposed to the disease?
Perhaps some doctors are simply ignorant of research that has actually been done — this doesn’t mean that the research hasn’t been done.
“Formaldehyde is nearly ubiquitous, being present in polymerized plastics, metalworking fluids, wood composites, insulation, medicaments, fabrics, cosmetics, detergents, and vaccines. Formaldehyde is the eighth most common allergen and had an 8.4% rate of reactivity in 4,909 patients who were patch-tested. In vaccines, formaldehyde is used as an inactivating agent that can eliminate the harmful effects of bacterial toxins and destroy the capacity of infectious viruses to replicate. The concerns over formaldehyde in vaccines center on its potential carcinogenicity in vitro. The quantity of formaldehyde in individual vaccines does not exceed 0.1 mg per dose. Animals exposed to chronic formaldehyde at doses of 80 to 100 mg per day developed no malignancies over a 2-year period.
Formaldehyde in vaccines has been reported to exacerbate hand eczema, as described in a single case report. However, no other cases of formaldehyde-induced cutaneous reactions from vaccine administration have been reported in the literature.”
No research? No testing? Hel-LO?
What is even more ridiculous is the amount of unvaccinated adults walking around. Yes, the majority of childhood vaccines wore off long ago people.
Want to reverse VACCINE DAMAGE? Go to http://www.generationrescue.org
Want to know about the countless studies that have been done on vaccines that were all dismissed by our government agencies (major cover-ups)…read any of Neil Z Miller’s books. There are over 1,000 sources that you can research yourself if you don’t believe it.
In the age of technology, how can people not do their homework? It’s sad.
Schools also get a kickback for every immunized child. That is why they have kept their mouth shut about the real autism statistics - 1 in 67 according to the U.S. Dept of Education. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
FYI - the majority of these diseases were pretty much eradicated BEFORE each vaccine was introduced according to the statistics reported by the CDC. Look into it yourself!! Numerous outbreaks have occurred throughout history among the VACCINATED populations. Again, look into it.
And, Lurker, just because some people are too superstitious to accept vaccinations for themselves and choose to subject their children to the risks of catching otherwise preventable diseases doesn’t mean the rest of us want to see them and their children get sick and die.
Susan, that was you avoiding a direct question…..
I am a former pediatric/obstetric nurse. I used to think the same way as those of you who can’t FATHOM that a parent would not vaccinate their child. I used all the same arguments that you are stating here. I was aghast at the thought.
My children were fully vaccinated when they were infants and toddlers. After a dear friend’s child started having seizures after his toddler vaccines, I began researching vaccines for myself. I was shocked and horrified at what I found.
I have been studying vaccines for about 7 years now. My children will never get another vaccine, nor will I. (I had a reaction to my last tetanus shot 9 years ago… severe pain in all my joints for months). If vaccines are so good at promoting health, why do we have such an enormous number of SICK kids these days? Asthma, allergies, diabetes, cancer, ADHD, just to name a few, are increasing. Acute illnesses seem to never go away… strep, stomach ailments, ear infections…
The immune system was not made to be contaminated by such a vast amount of chemicals and foreign substances. True health comes from a strong immune system. You can’t get that from a vial or a pill. It comes from eating a healthy diet, getting plenty of fresh air, exercise, rest, etc.
I wish I knew 20 years ago what I know today about health and the role vaccines play in damaging health. The healthiest kids I know are those who have never been vaccinated.
I wasn’t avoiding anything. I’m vaccinated and my son’s vaccinated — I’ve done everything I can to protect myself and him, though of course nothing in this life is one hundred percent certain. My concern is for all the innocent kids who won’t get vaccinated because their parents buy into the pseudo-scientific snake oil the anti-vaccine crowd peddles, and who will get sick and who will be crippled or die.
The pro vaxers think they know it all Christ himself could say vaccines are bad and they would not listen, thank God more and more people are waking up and speaking out.
I think it so damn telling when you read the statistics that the vast majority of people who don’t vaccinate have a slightly better education back ground than those who do.
Fine Susan, next year when the CDC recommends we rip our arms off and shove them where the sun don’t shine because they think it prevents some disease are you gonna be the typical lemming you seem to be? Maybe they will bring the swine flu vaccine back just for your child, lord knows how well that worked out for the CDC.
I seldom get this bitchy with people I disagree with but you take the cake and prove a really serious point about know it all people. Fact and common sense simply don’t exist in your universe.
Forced Anarchy… I agree.
Ohhh and didn’t responsible doctors also know what was best for their patients when they gave them Vioxx, Vaccines that were recalled, Thalidomide and a host of other meds that were “safe.” Doctors do NOT research anything that they give their patients, they just take whea the drug company rep peddles to them !
Remember - Doctors “practice” medicine because they have not perfected it yet.
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If Vaccines are so safe then your responsible doctor will not have a problem signing this consent form.
Consent for Administration of Vaccination
Dear (Physician’s Name):
If you will be administering a vaccination to me, or my child, today, I will need for you to complete the
following consent form. Thank you.
Physician Statement
I, (Physician Name) ______________________ do hereby state that I have advised my patient, (patient or
child’s name) _________________________and/or parent of my patient, (parent’s name)
__________________________that in my professional opinion this patient/child should be given the
vaccination, drug or other (name of vaccination/drug/other) ______________________________.
Manufacturer’s name ____________________________Serial number _______________
Batch Number ______________________.
I have on this (day) __________ (month) ______________ (year) _________________administered this
vaccination/medication/drug AFTER advising the above named patient orparent of minor patient that there
is little or no risk involved with this vaccination/medication/drug therapy or treatment. I hereby do agree
that should this patient/child at anytime suffer or develop any permanent condition deleterious or injurious
to his/her health as a result of this vaccination / medicine I will pay for any and all costs involved related to the care and treatment necessary for this patient/child for the rest of his/her natural life. I further agree that if my earnings are insufficient to meet these costs, I will sell my home, my business and all material possessions and put those proceeds towards meeting the expenses of the patient involved.
Date: _____________________________
Signature of responsible physician: ________________________________
Signature of responsible person administering vaccination/medication/drug: ______________________
Occupational Title: ___________________________
Witness: Parent or other: _____________________________
Colleen said: “Are we breeding super-bacteria and viruses?”
Actually, yes, we are! And they are being caused by the very vaccines you are touting, along with the overuse of antibiotics. Do your research.
Once you’ve researched for yourself the pro’s vs. con’s for yourself, and can tell me you’ve spent at least as many hours as I have (over 1000 now, btw) reseraching every angle of the vaccine issue, THEN you can poo poo me for not vaccinating my perfect, healthy, children whom God gave the ability to fight things like Measles, Mumps and Chicken Pox naturally. None of these diseases carry a very high death rate… and it surely isn’t ANYWHERE close to the 1 in 150 that is the autism epidemic, or the other acute and chronic diseases vaccines cause.
My son was watching an episode of “Little Bear” the other day. For those of you unaware, the show is based on books that were written in the 1950’s, and are very well done. In this particular episode, Little Bear and his friend Emily came down with the mumps. Did they die? No. They ate soup and stayed in bed for a few days. It was such a mainstream childhood disease in the 50’s that it was built into an endearing children’s story. So why have we let the medical community (fueled by the drug manufactures that make the $$ off our fear) convince us we had to have a vaccine for these or we’ll all die? That is just not the case. These diseases should not be feared as they are in our society today. Again… DO YOUR RESEARCH!
Dear Forced Anarchy,
Let’s make a deal: if, next year, the CDC does in fact direct everyone to rip their arms off and shove them where the sun doesn’t (not “don’t” — I have a postgraduate degree and understand the correct use of spelling, grammar, and punctuation) shine, I will meet with you at the restaurant of your choice and buy you lunch. Assuming you don’t believe that mass-produced food is poisonous, that is.
Dear Pediatric Nurse,
If you are attempting to make the point that vaccines are not 100 percent free of side effects, I will endeavor to recover from my state of total shock long enough to agree with you. If you are, however, attempting to make the point that the occurrence of any side effect, however rare, is per se evidence of a defect in the vaccine or malpractice on the part of the medical professional administering it (which category, I am reliably informed, includes pediatric nurses), and that the manufacturers of the vaccine and/or the responsible medical professional are therefore 100 percent responsible for any and all results of any and all such side effects, I would have to disagree with you.
Dear Susan,
So I take it your Responsible Pediatrician WILL indeed have no problem signing the vaccination consent form?
Hi Jesse –
Yes, my son received the DPT vaccine around 1990. Due to my son’s reaction the Pediatrician firmly stated “we won’t be doing that again” - much to my relief.
Fast forward to 2004, when my son had a persistent cough for a few weeks - although not enough to keep him from practicing and playing high school lacrosse. After I while, I thought his cough might be more than just cold/allergies/post nasal drip and brought him to the Pediatrician, where he was diagnosed with whooping cough.
But what I find interesting is that the Pediatrician commented my son was the only patient he had who had whooping cough (there was an “outbreak” in our county) who was not fully vaccinated. The boy next door, fully vaccinated was in horrible shape.
I know why my son got whooping cough — but I’m more concerned about why the other kids got it.
Susan, I am a vegetarian and it seems you have figured that out else you would not have quipped your stupid little comment about mass produced food. If you must know I make the choice to buy local, and I buy organic whenever possible. I have been doing this for years before it became a trend.
As for my use of language, I know proper grammar sweety, this discussion is about vaccines not which words I choose to type.
Thank you kindly for trying to deflect the discussion off topic and onto something unrelated.
Susan this is not rocket science vaccines fail quite often!
This is the breakdown of the measles cases from the CDC report: Among the 59 patients who were U.S. residents, 13 were aged <12 months and
too young to be vaccinated routinely, seven were children aged 12–15 months and had not yet received vaccination,
21 were children aged 16 months–19 years, including 14
(67%) who claimed exemptions because of religious or personal beliefs. JM
Just so everybody knows, vaccines are not required to get into public schools. Exemptions are available; Minnesota allows three different types. http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/minnesota.htm
Just for the record, my Granddaughter came down with Measles from the vacination itself!? This was several years ago & there is/was no other logical explanation. And it took several trips to the Dr., Urgent Care & a week in the hospital - on antibiotics, etc. - before “I” diagnosed her a day after she came home from the hospital!? Guess todays Dr.s haven’t seen many cases of Measles…?
Dear PN:
You’re in a position of great influence. RN’s are underappreciated in our society, and their opinions should be respected. Am I to understand that you refuse to give children vaccines, as for both of my children (including the autistic one) RN’s, NOT the physicians were the ones administering the shots? I got all literature from the RN, ALL explainations from the RN’s, and the RN is the one that put the needle in both of my sons’ legs. Shouldn’t there be a form for them to sign, since they’re the ones doing all of the ‘dirty work’? Am I to assume that you yourself do not do the job that you’re paid to do, and pass of the actual act of giving a vaccine to a child in your care to another nurse?
As with everything in life, there is risk. You risk your life waking up in the morning and leaving for work. The bottom line is, decisions are made, and we need to live with the choices we’ve made. We CHOSE to get a vaccine, we live with the consequences. Literature is dispensed at a Dr. visit on the risks. If you chose to get it, that’s that. Our society today doesn’t like to take responsibility for our own actions. We LOVE blaming someone else, and sue them to make a quick buck.
In my case, I didn’t ask the Dr.’s if they were the ones that ‘gave’ my son autism. The vaccine didn’t do it. I firmly believe it. You will never convince me otherwise. I will also never allow anyone to blame ME or my husband for ‘giving’ it to him. Do we blame parents of Down Syndrome children for their child’s condition - no. We feel sympathy and compassion for them. Why not for someone like me?
In the end, I think that people like RN will feel remorseful that they tried to blame people like me for my son’s condition. All I see is a wonderful child, that I wouldn’t trade or change for anything in the world. You all need to stop placing blame, deal and move on. There are exceptions to EVERY rule, but the majority of people on the planet have benefited from these vaccines. I’m sorry for all of your problems, but please don’t make more suffer because you have.
Bobbe, if people get measles they are often told by the Dr it is a viral rash, or that the person has a cold and contact dermatitis from something. Measles are still around, and you can get them from the vaccine. I would suspect if you get full blown measles from the vax it would be quite bad because you are trying to fight off 2 other live viruses.
Amy could you be any more manipulative? I just love how you are trying to spin this around. I don’t believe for one second that PN (or anyone else) is blaming you for your sons Autism.
Really? There haven’t been stories out internationally about how children have acquired autism ’suddenly’ after the MMR shot? Jenny McCarthy has a best selling book about how her son ‘got’ autism from the MMR shot. Isn’t that what we’re talking about?
I don’t think I’m manipulative. I think I’m stating fact. Yes, and RN did all of those things to my boys. That’s a fact. I was in the room. Sure, the Dr. ordered the shots after I requested them, but the RN is the one that GAVE them.
You all can have your consipiracy theories. I can have mine opinion too. We live in a free country. It’s allowed. What I DON’T like is people spreading incorrect facts. Personally, I would have rather not had my children get the Chicken Pox vaccine, as I would rather they GET it while they’re young, so they can avoid it when they’re older. The school districts mandate it, so they got it. I didn’t like it, but they need an education, and I can’t afford to home school, so I know where you’re coming from to a point. I will, however, give my children the benefit of not having to worry about things like Polio in their lifetime.
We are all entitled to our beliefs, and don’t need to be angry at people with other beliefs. If you chose not to vaccinate, fine. You can live with the consequences, and I hope you never have to. My children will play with your children, and I won’t worry, because mine will be protected.
Please see this site….
http://www.trackingvaccinations.com
How Vaccines Cause Autism
1) Bacterial Toxins from Diphtheria, Tetanus, especially Pertussis, and more, will affect those SENSITIVE to any of those poisons (the genetic aspect). Lack of Myelin and stage of development is the set-up for trouble.
2) Living Viruses (MMR) colonize in the Myelin (insulation on nerves in brain), which makes the immune system destroy the myelin, to destroy the virus, killing dendrites, and brain cell connections.
PLUS…
Most vaccines use heavy metals (Aluminum and Mercury) to suspend the germ particles in the vial (to make it work as a vaccine). What draws them together, does likewise in the brain inhibiting growth of dendrites, which are the arms of the brain cells, and more. Though, they don’t cause the destruction of brain cells, they inhibit the recovery, which is what Autism is all about.
PLUS…
Vaccines cause Allergies - because they work by being Allergic Reactions! Something terrible has to antagonize the immune system to be on high alert, constantly fighting the toxins or living viruses, or some protein that is so foreign, the body is in a constant state of having an allergic reaction, and that’s what a vaccine does to work. With Measles it actually is the real thing, the virus has been attenuated, but is very much alive and doing what Measles viruses do when lucky enough to get shot inside a brain. In the DTaP, the body only notices the Pertussis because of the Diptheria present, and they still have to dump tons of toxins in to get it noticed.
I don’t buy it. My son had signs before he got the MMR vaccine. And, the MMR vaccine has not had and of the agents liste in it since 2001. Therefore, one would think that the autism rates would go down, not up. What has happened, is that kids that would have been labeled ’strange’ as a child, or as I had an Asperger’s adult tell me a ‘geek’, are now being diagnosed with autism or Asperger’s. Diagnostics are better. It’s not becuase there are more cases.
Amy, if we lived in a free country the masses would be able to choose the medical care for their children, instead it being mandated by special interest in the form of political donations and such. If you don’t want the pox vaccine for your kids check into a waiver, or do like millions of parents are doing now exposing their kids to it on purpose. Just a week ago while doing some research for my blogs I ran across a family where both parents were well educated (one a Dr) who exposed their kids on purpose. I find that very telling!
Well I was considered strange as a child, I am a geek, and I am not a misdiagnosed person with Aspergers. I do have vaccine injuries, and I praise God for good genetics because without that I am not even sure I would be alive right now.
Personally, I think vaccines are not the only cause of Autism, I do think it is from environmental damage. Food, air, vaccines, I think all of this comes into play.
Also check out this link about mercury in the MMR. I suggest you do a bit of Googling on your own as well.
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http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071102153552AAU04yj
And I would have done the same if I could. I’ve heard of ‘pox parties’ where parents intentionally expose their children to the Chicken Pox so they don’t get it as an adult. I thought about that too. I will consider your advice for my youngest.
However, as for all of the other vaccines on the planet, they have done more good then harm, in my opinion. My MAJOR issue is people that say “People that give their children vaccines are doing more harm then good.” As a parent, we have to make decisions for our children until they’re old enough to do so for themselves. My child, at 18 months did not stand up and say “Why yes mom, I would LOVE the MMR shot. Please make sure I get it.” I made that decision. For someone to say that children ‘get’ autism from the MMR shot, is saying, essentially, I signed off on ‘giving’ my son autism. I take GREAT offense at that. S. Jamie implied it. PN implied it. You imply it. If people think that, I should feel like the biggest low life on the planet for allowing my son to have autism. I don’t. I didn’t decide it, because it’s genetic. Do I wish he didn’t have it - at times. Do I blame the medical/political community for it - no. Ignorance is my main hurdle. To imply I chose a more difficult life for my child by getting him immunized is to insult me and my son. That, I will not take.
I appreciate and respect your point of view. I just hope you can educate yourself more on the facts of the MMR vaccine, and I hope that you never have to face the challenges I do in this society.
Amy please calm down! No one has said you caused your child’s Autism. I think you have unresolved issues of guilt that you are unfairly projecting upon others. I feel for you however I am not going to let you twist my words around to say something I did not.
I am basing my comments by what I have physically seen with my own 2 eyes. I am not talking about one or two kids. I am not talkig about my own kids. Being a pediatric nurse since 1981 I have seen a LOT of kids. Sick kids and not so sick kids. Kids who have died and kids who have survived.
A common link to most of what I have experienced is that most of the parents were very unprepared for what could come after the vaccination. Few parents read up on consequences. Even less parents questioned the doctor about ANYTHING related to the vaccines. Most parents are intimidated by doctors. Most assumed that if a doctor said it was time to get shots then it is time to get shots. Many parents did not question safety, multi-vax series, dosage (how can it be safe to vaccinate a newborn with the same amount as an older child ?) or the effectiveness of the vaccine.
I have also seen many parents with many regrets. Parents who asked more questions at a car dealership when buying a new car than they did when getting a child vaccinated. They know what is in the car but not in the shot!
You can not un-ring that bell.
The disclaimer on EVERY vaccine says it all…Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, and Impairment of Fertility. I find it VERY alarming that after viewing VAERS, quite a few doctors noted that patient developed A.L.L. Leukemia within 1-2 months after the vaccine (among other things). The doctors felt the vaccine did it. VERY FEW HARMED BY VACCINES?? Talk to the thousands of us that are out there. The media is shoved so far up the medical profession’s butt, it isn’t funny. They refuse to talk about it.
36,000 deaths from the flu? Actually, the most recent statistic reported by this waste of tax payer’s money agency (CDC) was 1,806 in 2005 (the majority in the elderly). The numbers have never been higher than that. In fact, that is how every vaccine came about - scare tactics and lies. DO THE RESEARCH!! YOU HAVE A COMPUTER TO DO IT!
I don’t understand why so many parents are adamant about keeping their kids up to date on vaccines, but the parents themselves haven’t had a shot since grade school. (except for maybe a flu shot here and there, if even that).
And some of those same parents are the ones who won’t allow their children to play with unvaccinated children. But aren’t these unvaxed parents just as risky for their childrens’ health as the unvaxed kids?
Again, do your research. Vaccines don’t offer protection for very long. So parents of vaccinated kids, you better be going in to get boosters yourselves if you believe in vaccines so strongly. Otherwise you are just as toxic as the unvaxed “lepers” you so despise.
This means you, Colleen, Paul, Gillian, Carol, Anna, Sharon, and all of you other “diligent” parents who have “vaxed their kids up the yin yang”…when’s the last time you were caught up on your shots?
If you actually read something other than CDC propaganda, you’d see that many diseases we vaccinate for started declining before the vaccines were introduced thanks to better sanitation and hygiene, safer water and food supplies, etc.
There are so many weak arguments here. Susan, nobody is telling you that you must dance in order to protect yourself and everybody around you from certain death. Amy, I don’t know about you, but I didn’t know of any kids when I was younger that weren’t able to look people in the eye or talk - the “weird” kids you speak of were weird back then because they wore unfashionable clothing or read unpopular books. And think about it; vaccines use human and animal cells, which are not consistent, so each batch is different. Did you ever think that maybe Autism and other injuries are increasing because of the increasingly contaminated ingredients being used in today’s vaccines? The ingredient names in the vaccines today may be the same as the ones 20 years ago, but the makeup of the cells and potency of the chemicals change. Do you know what quality control protocols the manufacturers have in place to ensure safety?
Susan, I don’t blame the vaccine that gave me Rheumatoid Arthritis so that I can collect money or sleep better at night thinking it’s not my own fault. The reason I bring it up is to encourage other people to do their own research instead of just blindly following orders when the stakes are so high. Nobody should have to live with the constant pain that I do, nobody should have to pay the medical bills that I’m stuck with. Talk about PREVENTABLE! Especially considering how minor Measles, Mumps, and Rubella are. Give me those diseases over damaged, swollen, and painful joints any day!
For those that think that vaccines abolished diseases, you are wrong.
1. Many of the vaccines were not the true cause of disease decline. Increased nutritional measures and better sanitation deserve more credit.
2. None of the vaccines are able to confer genuine immunity. It is actually the opposite, the vaccine increases the the chance of contracting the disease.
3. All of the vaccines can produce side effects; from soreness at injection site to brain damage and death.
4. Long term effects of all vaccines are unknown.
5. Several of the vaccines can be especially dangerous. Yet the Medical-Industrial Complex continues to maintain its decepetive practice of disregarding vaccine reactions. Medical professionals feel as if they are justified in administering new and unproven vaccines by claiming it is unethical to withhold them.
Here is an example:
The Polio death rate was decreasing on its own before the vaccine was introduced. As a matter of fact, several studies show that injections increase susceptibility to polio. When national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950’s, the number of reproted cases of polio following a mass innoculation of the vaccine was greater than before. Also, in 1955 the medical definition of polio changed. Prior to 1955 the definition included polio, aseptic meningitis and coxsakie virus infections all recorded as polio. Post 1955 all of the listed infections are recorded as separate diseases. So know wonder why it “looked” like it was on the decline. In addition, monkey kidney tissue is used to create the polio vaccine. In the 1980’s it was discovered the 50% of the African Green monkey’s that were the primate of choice were infected with the Simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), a virus that is closely related to HIV. According to Robert Gallo an expert on the AIDS virus, some versions of the SIV monkey virus are indistinguishable from some human variants of HIV. He concludes that the monkey virus is the human virus.
Now folks, this is just one example of how vaccines go wrong. This is all fact, so don’t bother blasting me with ignorance. I had to educate myself as do the rest of you.
ALL of this information can be found in the book, “Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective” I dare you to read it.
This book includes information on ALL recommended childhood shots, to include HPV, shingles, small pox and flu.
Those who have autistic children that were showing signs of autism before the MMR, did you receive any flu shots or Rhogam during your pregnancy? (both contain mercury).
Since 2003, all Rhogam that’s given is supposed to be mercury free, before that it contained 10.5 micrograms of mercury per injection.
Flu shots still contain 25 micrograms of mercury (adult dose), and 12.5 micrograms of mercury for the pediatric dose. The first pediatric dose a child receives is given twice separated by a month’s time, so that mercury content is equal to the adult dose.
There is also a study that shows if a mother received the MMR within 2 years of conception, the baby has a higher chance of developing autism.
There are many factors involved when it comes to autism, including individual susceptibility, which doctors don’t take into account. And autism is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to damage from vaccines.
Children are all lumped together and given the same ludicrous number of vaccines. No one knows which child will react and how they will react. It IS a game of Russian Roulette.
Alyssa, don’t lump me in with all the “diligent” parents who have “vaxed their kids up the yin yang.” While I may have said I’m not anit-vax, I never said I had any problem with parents chooosing to not vaccinate their children. Maybe you should go back and read my post from yesterday at 12:51 pm (the post from Anna at 1:49 yesterday was not me).
In fact, my child has not yet received the chicken pox vax (and hopefully never will) and I don’t get her the flu shot either. I also delayed her Hep B vax because I think it’s ridiculous they want to give that at birth, and I probably would have turned it down altogether except her father is in a profession where he could come in contact with Hep B and pass it to her.
I think the current schedule is flawed and needs to be spread out more so kids aren’t getting so many shots at once. And if parents don’t want to vax their kids that’s ok with me, it’s their choice, and I would never deliberatly prevent my child from being around a child who is not vaccinated.
According to a VAERS search, there were 5,932 reported adverse reactions to all measles vaccines administered in the U.S. in 2007. Conversely, there were 42 cases of actual measles in the U.S. in 2007 according to the CDC. Keep in mind that it’s estimated only 10% of adverse reactions are actually reported to VAERS. So that 5,932 number? That’s only about 10% of the reactions.
No correlation between autism and vaccines? Hannah Poling, anyone? There are indeed scientific studies showing a possible connection between autism and vaccines, they are just not well publicized.
And, as others here have mentioned, it’s not JUST the mercury, and it’s not JUST autism that concerns a lot of parents. It’s a lot of things - from the ingredients in all vaccines (including live virus such as MMR), the lack of proper testing of said vaccines (no true placebo in most cases), government and pharma cover-ups, etc.
This is a very interesting article, and if you think the doctor who wrote it is making it all up, you may want to check the references: http://web.mac.com/rblaylock/Russell_Blaylock_M.D./Information/Entries/2008/3/12_Vaccines,_Neurodevelopment_and_Autism_Spectrum_Disorders.html
Has anyone watched Dr. Jay Gordon’s Vaccination DVD?
I’m not sure about anyone else here, but it is difficult, if not impossible, for me to put my complete trust, and my child’s health, in a vaccine manufacturer that has as many blatant violations as Merck has had. They recently received a scathing warning letter from the FDA. I believe they are also the manufacturer of all or most of the measles vaccines administered in the U.S.
Hannah Poling had a pre-existing condition, and the fever that she had from the vaccination spurred the autistic-like symptoms. And, just like you said - POSSIBLE connection. Not proven. Studies have been done to show that there is NO correlation between vaccines and autism.
We are a society that looks to blame others for our misfortunes. Mine was a bad genetic gene pool evidently. Autism happens, it is not given to someone in a vaccine.
If you chose not to vaccinate, fine. If your child gets the measles or polio, that will be because you chose not to get your child vaccinated. It’s all about the choices we make. Don’t vaccinate, but don’t berate me because I chose to protect my kids from worse illnesses out there.
I know I won’t sway your decisions or opinions, that’s obvious. I just ask you to see the other side of the argument, and read some of the facts associated with illnesses, not just the ‘don’t vaccinate’ literature.
I was wondering how long it would take before anyone threw out the polio argument. Obviously that person doesn’t know that the polio vaccine does not prevent transmission or infection of polio, it “works” by lessening the chances of developing paralytic polio should you contract the disease. It won’t stop you from transmitting it to anyone else, and it won’t prevent you from contracting it from someone else. Same thing for the whooping cough (pertussis) and diptheria vaccines. I bet those same parents also don’t realize that the MMR and Varicella vaccines are live, which means that for about a month after your child receives those vaccines they are shedding live virus cells and can actually transmit the virus to someone else.
If you choose to vaccinate your child, fine, but for heaven’s sake do your research! Don’t blindly take the dribble your physicians, the CDC, and the FDA spout out. Physicians have very little medical training in vaccinations compared to the majority of their education.
My responsibility is to MY child, not the immune-compromised child down the street or the baby at daycare, and because of that I choose not to vaccinate my child. If you believe that puts your child at risk, I’m sorry, but I can’t be responsible for the rest of the population. I have to be responsible for MY child.
Amy, I’m sorry, but you are wrong about the no studies done on vaccines/Autism. There was only one study done by our government agency and the results were inconclusive. The media told everyone that it doesn’t.
http://www.generationrescue.org/misinformation.html
http://www.generationrescue.org/studies.html
I know that we are simply told certain conditions are genetic. I believe that to a degree. I will give you a perfect example of one major cover up. A study was done by 180 European doctors. They ALL concluded that the mumps vaccine can “trigger” diabetes in certain pre-disposed individuals as much as 5 mo. later (remember this is a live-virus vaccine). The FDA’s response was simply, “yes, certain viruses can trigger diabetes”.
Please don’t mislead people about the Hannah Poling case either. Health and Human services did conclude that her vaccines caused her autism and were also responsible for her seizures which occurred 6 years later!! After that, they then changed it to blame it on her defective genes. This is exactly why the Justice Dept stepped in and refused to make her case public - fear of the truth coming out. Her parents’ attorney did ask that their case become public information. The U.S. Court of Federal Claims’ policy is that as long as they receive permission to do so, it will. So, why then does the Justice Dept feel like they are above the law? There are over 5,000 autism cases still pending in this same court and they need this information to win.
You really need to google the Amish/autism. That is truly amazing…also go to http://www.ageofautism.com
Vaccines can cause many things. Did you know that for DECADES the three leading U.S. Vaccine Policy makers have ADVISED DOCTORS AGAINST vaccinating certain individuals with certain vaccines (particularly the DPT or DTaP)if they have a family history of neurological disease? Do you have a family history of any? Depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, etc? Then, you might want to look into that.
Yes, I’m sure that I’m a totally oblivious parent. I’m sure that I know nothing about vaccines, and I’m glad you pointed that out. I’m glad you figured me out by getting inside my head.
Go ahead, and don’t vaccinate. That’s your choice, and you’re making it on behalf of your child/children. If there is an epidemic someday (God forbid) of smallpox, measles, etc (and in this day of biological warfare, don’t rule that out), you have made your choice, and I have made mine. Maybe vaccines aren’t 100% foolproof, but at least I will know I’ve done all I can for my kids.
Really? Hannah had a pre-existing condition? Has his been proven? I don’t believe it has, because babies and children are NOT routinely tested for mitochondrial disorders, so at this point there is absolutely no way to know if she did indeed have a pre-existing condition, or if it was brought on by the onslaught of vaccines.
The studies that ‘prove’ that there is no connection between autism and vaccines, are those independent studies? In other words, who funded them? And the researchers who did the studies, who do they work for and/or get the grants from? If you dig a little deeper, this is quite relevant information to know.
It is not known what actually causes autism yet (although vaccines and other environmental causes are highly suspected, and Hannah’s case was conceded), so to say it is absolutely not caused by vaccines is an oxymoron. How can you say something doesn’t cause it when you don’t know what causes it to begin with? You cannot rule anything out until you know for sure.
I am not berating anyone for choosing vaccines for their children, I just hope that they do so only after researching both sides of the issue, and specifically researching every vaccine - and the diseases they are supposed to prevent - that will go into their child’s body. Many people may not like the fact that certain vaccines are made from a line of aborted fetal cells (including the MMR). Is this information listed on the VIS forms you receive at the doctor’s office just before your child gets their shots? No, it isn’t. Then it is not truly informed consent.
Lisa are you responding to my response about the Polio vaccine? Perhaps you should go back and read it if you are. My response regarding Polio, and this crazy article, is in NO way supportive of the vaccine, or any vaccine for that matter. As a matter of fact, if you took the time to read my response thoroughly, you will clearly see that. I never said that the Polio vaccine prevented disease, on the contrary, I said the exact opposite.
People, read responses completely and thorouglhy before you pass judgement on a response.
Amy,
I am not saying that you are totally oblivious….just do some research on the matter. Have you researched the CDC’s statistics before/after each vaccine was introduced to see if they are telling the truth about how deadly these things are? I also urge you to research stealth viruses. These deadly viruses are being linked backed to vaccines…in other words, you may be sparing your child from possibly a week in bed from the disease you are vaccinating for (again, not guaranteed though), but many researchers are claiming that vaccines are to blame for deadly new illnesses. If your child’s immune system is weakened with vaccines - then your child may not be able to properly fight off other things. All I ask is that you research what anti-vaccine parents, anti-vaccine doctors, anti-vaccine scientists are telling you. That’s all. Just don’t believe one side of the story - the the CDC’s because they are lying. (the media is on their side by the way too)
Just some quick facts too…Hep B was pulled from the French market in recent years due to the risks (to include death). We now give it to newborns (same manufacturer). Reuters did a story but it came down quick. Major lawsuits in France right now against the drug companies (two involved).
The MMR was pulled from the Japan market in the 80’s because it caused encephalitis in every 1,044 babies. We lowered the age from 18 mo. to 12 mo. for administration.
In 1999 Autism was unheard of in China. They then began buying U.S. vaccines. By 2005, they reported 1.8 million cases of Autism.
China is supplying us with many prescription drugs and in the future vaccines (less than 2% are inspected). That’s comforting considering they poisoned our food supply, pets, and children.
Any of Neil Z. Miller’s books are awesome Amy. Also a book by Dr. Stephanie Cave. Just look into them.
I think that it’s time for me to bow out. Obviously, I’m the only person involved in this ‘discussion’ who is ok with their child getting vaccines. Don’t tell me to read up, because I have. As a responsible adult I have read up. And, I’m sure that in a country where there are over 1 billion people, there were more autism cases in China then were let on. Their government is very open about how they treat their people, afterall.
My mind has not been swayed. I’m sorry, but you have all failed. I will continue to get vaccinations along with the millions, or dare I say billions of people on the planet that have benefited from them in the past and in the future. Good luck to you all.
There are horible toxins in vaccines that no one’s even told us about — look at this!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted
thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by
accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do
not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage.
Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and
possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance.
For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
* is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid
rain
* contributes to the “greenhouse effect.”
* may cause severe burns.
* contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
* accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
* may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of
automobile brakes.
* has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream,
lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the
contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions
of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
* as an industrial solvent and coolant.
* in the majority of routinely administered childhood vaccines.
* in the production of Styrofoam.
* as a fire retardant.
* in many forms of cruel animal research.
* in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains
contaminated by this chemical.
* as an additive in certain “junk-foods” and other food products.
Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be
done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
The Horror Must Be Stopped!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or
use of this damaging chemical due to its “importance to the economic health
of this nation.” In fact, the navy and other military organizations are
conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices
to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research
facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution
network. Many store large quantities for later use.
Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous
chemical. What you don’t know can hurt you and others throughout the world.
Actually, Jeanne, my polio comment was in response to Anoka Mom’s “Bring back polio!” comment.
It is just so sad…no matter how much evidence you show people, they have their minds made up. It is like beating a dead horse. I pity the poor people that put their faith soley in the newspapers and the “peer reviewed medical journals” that are out there. If only they really knew what agencies supplied these mags and newspapers the info in the first place…
I find it funny and slightly ironic reading all the talk in these comments about how those folks that had chicken pox as a child won’t get it as an adult.
You can and do get chicken pox again, and it can happen very easily….as an adult it’s called Shingles. It’s the same virus.
Kate: Please understand that you will get only one case of chickenpox, if infected. Shingles, on the other hand, is a reactivation of the chickenpox (disease) virus that is more common in older people or people with a disease such as cancer whose immune system has weakened. But, there is now a vaccine which can prevent many cases or, at the least, reduce the excrutiating pain that comes with shingles. It is called Zostavax and is recommended for all adults ages 60 and older. Thank goodness for all of these wondeful vaccines!
Wonderful vaccines? Gee, they don’t know if they cause cancer, alter your DNA or impair your fertility…who’s got the brighter light bulb here? Just read the vaccine literature next time you are at the docs and stop talking out of your butt. Miss Carol must just be another ignorant doc.
My daughter reacted to a vaccination and needed to go to the emergency room.
They denied that it was the vaccination at the time, but two years later confessed that it “Probably was the vaccine and she shouldn’t have that one again” Of course they would have just kept giving her boosters if I had not protested and told them to hold off on any more vaxes. Doctors don’t know everything. They make mistakes. I just wish that many of them were humble enough to understand that.
I was concerned about putting my daughter at risk for childhood diseases, but then my father helped me put it into perspective. He told me that he was a sickly child and if any child were to die from childhood diseases it should have been him. He had measles, mumps, whooping cough, chickenpox, AND STILL managed to grow up and father two children. Folks he also told me that everyone he grew up with also had these illnesses and lived to tell the tale.
I am not making light of these diseases, just trying to put things into perspective so that we are not controlled by fear.
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