Liriano’s third start is so-so
Posted on March 17th, 2008 – 1:12 PMBy Joe Christensen
FORT MYERS — Francisco Liriano lasted into the fourth inning today in his third start of spring training, and once again, there were good parts and bad parts of his performance.
Here’s his pitching line: 3.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K. (He faced three batters in the fourth inning).
He threw 59 pitches, 33 for strikes.
The Marlins aren’t exactly the Yankees, and Liriano tossed a 1-2-3 first inning on nine pitches. He gave up a leadoff single to Jorge Cantu in the second inning but retired the next three batters. So after two innings, Liriano had allowed just one base runner.
But he walked two batters in the third, as the Marlins took a 1-0 lead, and the first three batters of the fourth inning (Cody Ross, Jason Wood and Paul Hoover) got base hits before Manager Ron Gardenhire replaced Liriano with Brian Bass.
Once again, Liriano seemed to have trouble commanding his fastball. I saw a couple decent sliders, but some that looked like they were just spinning. It’s clear Liriano has a long road ahead of him as he looks to regain his 2006 form, 15 months removed from Tommy John surgery.
74 Responses to "Liriano’s third start is so-so"
with only 2 more starts before the season i can’t see how he will be ready. he should spend a month or more in aaa and prove he is back. no need to wreck his confidence by letting him get bashed around. of course his numbers look a lot like livan’s, our ace.
Looks like extended spring training for Mr. Liriano….too much to expect he comes back in 2006 form.
Let him stay down south until he gets his act in gear and restores confidence in his command and breaking pitch.
Twins are not serious contenders this year anyway, IMO.
SteveAV
Gardy said he’ll come north no matter what. But I don’t see how he’ll be ready to start the season in the rotation. It’s clear that he fatigues easily. If it were up to me, I’d leave him down in Fort Myers and get his arm strength up before I bring him up to the big club in May or June.
I say start him at Triple A or bring him with and put in the bullpen until Gardy Feels he is ready to be put in the starting rotation.
Put Punto at first and trade Morneau for pitching.
I’d certainly send him down for a few starts. But, can his ego stand that?
Would you rather send him to AAA or leave him at Fort Meyers for extended spring training? I’m leaning towards AAA but I think both would be better than the bullpen.
The issues that Liriano seems to face have to do with a. control and b. getting his slider back. Those cannot be solved in AAA (where he will also get pounded.) Looks like he needs extensive spring training and then maybe a stint in AA/AAA before he is ready.
As far as contention goes this year, I think that there will be 4 teams (Indians, Tigers, Twins, White Sox) that would probably end up with 80-90 wins each (unless the ChiSox have another fire sale) so all is possible…
NO AAA!
If he doesn’t make the Twins, he won’t be in AAA… they’ll send him to AA becasue AAA is in Rochester and that’s a lot of Bad weather for the first month of the season… he’d be constantly bothered by cold conditions and inconsistant number of days pitching… So it’s Twins or Ft. Myers
Excellent point, Dustin F.
I say let him come north with the big boys. He’s not some fragile little puppy who will have his confidence ruined by a few sub-par performances.
They’re coming with 12 pitchers, so they can afford a few short starts from him.
Most people believe, probably correctly, that the Twins cannot contend. But if they are to have any chance of even flirting with a division championship [or even playing .500 ball], they can’t throw away the first 20-30 games. This gives them a very small margin for error, given that Gardy will stick with Hernandez through at least six or seven shellackings, likely more, and get one of the worst offensive players in baseball in the lineup every chance possible. Pick your minor league team, but Liriano is just where you would expect him to be at this juncture: at least a few months away from being able to pitch to major league hitters.
leave the young man in spring training and call him when hes strong and back in shape…do not rush this ….we have plenty of pitching arms to develop…
Send him to AAA for a month, during which Gardy will get sick of Livan, and we can replace Livan with Liriano.
(Whoops, just woke up from a dream)
I like that dream.
I have all kinds of cool dreams…unfortunately, most can’t be printed here
Bring him north with the team. Even if he isn’t up to form, he’s still probably our fourth of fifth best starter. He’s probably even ahead of Livan regarding being ready. Everybody including Liriano knows it will take some time. I don’t think his confidence will be damaged if he starts in the pen or gets shelled for a couple of games.
I think I saw somewhere that the Twins would rather have him in Fort Myers than Rochester.
Simply because its warmer and better for his arm…
Liriano might be closer to being ready on opening day than Baker.
I was surprised when Gardy said Liriano wouldn’t start the season in the minors. Did he mean extended spring training as well? I think it would be good for him to pitch in Florida in April to get stronger and stretch himself out, plus get a better feel of all his pitches. Maybe by the end of April he’ll be able to come back to the big club. I don’t think they want him starting in Triple “A” or Double “A” in
April with the cold weather.
Out of shape and overweight?
Maybe they’ll do the Santana plan and have him work only out of the pen until he conquers that assignment.
Gladden said his sliders looked more like curves, and that he didn’t have command of his changeup either.
Who cares where he starts??? He needs INNINGS, so, with no one else lighting it up this spring (other than Boof, perhaps), bring him north. I don’t care what his April ERA is, do you guys? I just want Fran to become the well-oiled machine he once was, and that’s takes INNINGS, no matter where they are.
Liriano is a Twin. He’s EARNED that, as much or more than Nick Punto has, so bring him north, and let him work on his stuff up here. Simple, really.
For all of you that insist he should star in AAA, who the hell IS going to pitch for this team? Even if Baker is healthy (a big “if”), even if Bonsor and Slowey do continue to get in a groove, who else starts? Who? Blackburn? Humber??? Perkins? Hernandez??????????????????
Come on. Get real. There IS no one else. As bad as Liriano might be, he’s half as bad as most of those guys on his worst day.
Liriano is in the rotation. There’s no two ways about it. Simply put, there’s no one ready to replace him.
BUFFTWINS-I think the staff is well aware of the same concerns you have in regard to Liriano.Let’s let the pros do their job.
My opinion only:
His arm’s really not strong enough to be pitching yet & we ought to be concerned about further injury.
First, more throwing & rehab to build strength. I agree with “in Fort Myers” - let’s keep him where the weather’s warm.
Then, say, 3 starts in Fort Myers - - where it’s warm - - to start getting back to game conditions.
Then to New Britain for a couple of starts (extend if necessary).
Then decide on whether to move him to Rochester or hop him back up to the big club.
His potential value to this organization is far too high to risk rushing him. That was the whole point of targeting Spring Training 2008 for his return; there’s no reason to panic now.
There’s a difference between “being careful” and simply babying him way too much.
The average length to MLB appearance after Tommy John surgery is eleven months. This kid’s at nineteen months and counting by opening day.
No more “future” BS. Let’s start realizing that today is the most important day in the world.
The kid’s not going to break in two, any more than Brian Deunsing did after his Tommy John surgery.
He still has 2 more starts in spring. The assumption is he will go a little further each time. If he does. Bring him north. Start him on pitch counts. First start, maybe 75 pitches and go from there. If it takes 3 or 4 April starts to get up and running, so be it. Aren’t we carrying 12 pitchers anyway?
Is his arm really that weak? Or is he just tentative? I heard for the first couple weeks that he was “holding back”. If now he is “letting it go” shouldn’t his velocity be higher than it was when he came to camp?
Could he be moved to Long Reliever? That’ll put less stress on his arm, and it’ll be easier to monitor him. And he’d only have to pitch when the games not on the line so who cares what his ERA is then… but it’ll build his control and arm strength up
mmmhmm,
Punto isn’t a first baseman. Morneau is the Twins first baseman. We all love Morneau (See, I’ve changed).
They have to bring him North and for those concerned about the cold weather, the Twins schedule is actually set up well for him to not have to pitch in cold weather.
IF Gardy is smart, he will throw him out there Game 2 vs. LAA (in the dome)
His next start 5 days later would be against KC (in the dome)
Third start would be at KC on the 12th of April where the average temp is in the 60’s.
Fourth start back in the dome vs TB/Cle
Fifth start in Oakland or Texas at the end of April
Sixth start now the beginning of May back in the Dome.
No cause for concern with having to pitch in a cold climate. Hopefully, Gardy and Anderson take this into account.
craig are you talking to yourself? answering your own entry? nice alias!
gobbledy,
I only use the name Craig now. I don’t use another name. I am a changed person, as you probably can tell. You guys are a little hard on me, but I’ve changed completely.
Like with Morneau, I respect that people love the guy. I do also. I really do. I just pointed out some perceived negatives in the past, but I’m not doing that anymore, unless someone brings it up. I didn’t even bring Morneau up, except on LaVelles blog, in the context of fixing what is wrong with the team. I never elaborated on it though, as I would have in the past.
Lala, if the ‘kid needs innings’ why in heck would you have him start the season with the Twins?
He is much more likely to get the innings he needs in a controlled environment such as Ft Myers than with the Twins.
With the Twins, he will not be left in the game if he’s getting pounded. At Ft Myers, where winning isn’t quite as paramount, he’ll be more likely to be left in to pitch a preset number of pitches, no matter the result.
If he’s ready to pitch 5 innings in the bigs on March 31st, fine, bring him north. If he’s not, then don’t. To do so would be really shortsighted.
Yes Sir, Mr. Pohlad is knocking on the cellar door!
The Twins will have alot of trouble with both consistent hitting and consistent pitching. Consistency is the name of the game, and it really doesn’t look good for the Twins.
craig are you a born again blogger?
” Maybe they’ll do the Santana plan and have him work only out of the pen until he conquers that assignment.”
Romer i agree and i know there’s a lot of people who don’t think he should be in the bull pen but i know Atlanta did the same thing with Smoltz after he had TJ surgery and then put him back in the rotation so it’s not going to hurt him at all.
Anybody who mentions bull pen on here gets slaughtered. Definition of ralley killer
And where did all of the Gomez haters go?? No more AA talk.
Lala said “Liriano is in the rotation. There’s no two ways about it. Simply put, there’s no one ready to replace him.”
I felt that way a week ago. But now he looks like he’s regressing a little. Maybe he has the flu.
I just hope he gets back to where he was and we see normal progression.
And as to his replacements………..either of Slowey or Blackburn ain’t bad. And Humber is having a GREAT Spring (check that stats). And Perkins has looked okay (a little erratic, but he recovers nicely).
Do you get the feeling that Livan might be the reincarnation of Ponson?
LNP4Life, where did Gomez’s old swing go? Maybe it went down to AAA with Casilla.
Get my drift. Gomez sees the writing on the wall, and now all of a sudden he comes through.
In any case, it’s terrific fun to see the new Gomez.
Why do I think that the Twins can win this year?
Let’s look at some games they lost last year:
Games that could have been won if Ponson and Ortiz were not starting (7):
4/20 (Ponson) @KCR 11-7 (Punto 3B, Redmond DH, Tyner LF starting)
4/15 (Ponson) KCR 4-3 (Rodriguez 3B, Tyner LF starting)
5/3 (Ortiz) @TBD 4-6 (Punto 3B, Tyner RF, Cirillo DH starting)
5/6 (Ponson) BOS 4-3 (Tyner RF, Cirillo DH, Rodriguez 3B starting)
5/15 (Ortiz) CLE 15-7 (G. Jones DH, Punto 3B starting, Cirillo, Tyner and Rodriguez
pinch hitting; this is not a close game but Ortiz gave up 6, Perkins 3 and Crain 6
runs)
5/20 (Ortiz) @MIL 6-5 ((Punto 3B, Ford LF, Heitz C starting)
5/26 (Ortiz) Tor 9-8 (Cirillo 3B, Punto SS starting)
Cames that injured or inadequate relievers lost (8):
4/29 (Crain) @Det 4-3 (Punto 3B, Redmond DH, Rodriguez 2b starting)
8/1 (Rincon) KCR 5-3 (Tyner RF, Punto PH)
8/28 (Cali) @CLE 6-5 (Punto 2B, Tyner LF)
9/4 (DePaula) CLE 7-5 (White LF, Heitz C, Rodriguez 3B)
9/7 (DePaula) @CHW 11-10 (Tyner LF, G. Jones DH, Heintz C, Punto 2B)
9/8 (Cali) @CHW 8-7 (Tyner LF, Rodriguez 2B, Morales C, Punto SS)
9/26 (Blackburn) @Det 9-4 (White DH, Rodriguez 3B, Punto SS)
9/29 (Blackburn) @Bos 6-4 (Tyner LF, White DH, Rodriguez 2B)
1-2 run games lost starting Tyner, R. White, Cirillo, Punto, Rodriguez etc…, not
mentioned above (26):
4/13 TBD 4-2 (Punto 3B, Rabe LF and Rodriguez DH)
4/22 @KCR 3-1 (Punto 3B, Rabe LF, Redmond DH)
4/24 CLE 5-3 (Tyner DH, Punto 3b)
4/29 DET 4-3 (Punto 3B, Redmond DH, Rodriguez 2B)
5/2 @TBD 4-3 (Punto 3B, Cirillo DH, Tyner RF)
5/4 BOS 2-0 (Punto 3B, Rabe RF)
5/17 CLE 2-0 (G. Jones DH, Punto 3B)
6/2 @ OAK 1-0 (Cirillo DH, Punto 3B)
6/3 @ OAK 4-2 (Punto 3B, Tyner DH)
6/9 WAS 3-1 (Punto 3B, Tyner DH)
6/22 @FLA 5-4 (Cirillo 3B, Ford LF)
6/27 TOR 5-4 (Punto 3B, Ford RF)
7/1 @DET 1-0 (Punto 3B, Tyner DH)
7/7 @CHW 3-1 (Cirillo DH, Punto 3B, Ford LF)
7/17 DET 1-0 (Cirillo DH, Tyner LF, Punto 3B)
7/18 DET 3-2 (Cirillo DH, Ford LF, Punto 3B)
7/19 DET 4-3 (G. Jones RF, Punto 3B, Tyner CF)
7/23 @TOR 6-4 (White DH, Tyner RF, Punto 3B)
8/9 @KCR 1-0 (White DH, Rodriguez 3B)
8/11 @LAA 4-3 (Punto 3B, White LF)
8/13 @SEA 4-3 (Punto 3B, Tyner DH, White LF)
8/29 @CLE 4-3 (White DH, Tyner LF, Punto 3B)
9/14 DET 4-2 (White LF, Punto 3B)
9/15 DET 4-3 (G. JOnes DH, Rodriguez 2B, Punto 3B)
9/16 DET 6-4 (Tyner LF, Heintz C, Rodriguez 2B, Punto SS)
9/21 CWS 6-4 (LeCroy DH, Ford LF, Punto 3B)
Total games 26+8+7=41…
Let’s very conservatively assume that the Twins this year will won 1/4 of these games. That would be 10 games, giving them a record of 89-73 and easily making the playoffs, esp given that most of these wins are on division rivals. Only if Gardy doesn’s start Punto and gets Ruiz to make the trip up north…
It could be a matter of Gomez calming down a little and not pressing as much. Not every pitch is a homer.
just like you can’t throw every runner out at the plate either.
To me, Liriano started well, but had a hard time finishing the 3rd inning and had nothing by the 4th. He looks like the other Twins pitchers looked 2 weeks ago. Slowey and Boof couldn’t go two innings without struggling at the end. He’ll come along fine. I bet he may be the 5th starter to give his some extra time to get ready.
I could also he him more as a fastball change pitcher until he gets the slider together. Nothing worse than a spinner.
thrylos98,
Did you factor in Punto’s great fielding at 3B and Santana and Silva’s pitching? What about Hunter’s and Castillo’s contributions?
With a weak glove at 3B, 2B looking questionable, No pitching to replace Santana and Silva, and Hunter gone, the Twins could lose even more games.
Thanks, thrylos, for cheering us up!
Of course we had Santana and Silva in a lot of close games last year. And we still have the likes of Ponson/Ortiz in Livan.
The Twins will field a more decent team position-wise this year. But it’s still all about pitching.
And for this year, that means starting pitching because the bullpen looks really strong.
That’s why Lala is blasting forth and wanting Liriano to return to form. I know how he feels.
It’s looking like however Liriano goes the Twins go.
Gomez and Liriano should not be brought north. Its a matter of service time.
A mid-market team like the Twins can’t afford to let potential stars learn or rehab on the job unless it really matters. I contend that right now it doesn’t matter much if Pridie/Span is the CF instead of Gomez or if Humber/Perkins starts instead of Liriano.
In a perverse incentive kind of way, the “wasting” of a pre-free agency year by a Span/Humber costs less than a “wasted” year by a Gomez or a Liriano. Unless you’re contending, promote the lesser prospect and you’ll be better off over the long haul.
Oh,and having Liriano work in the back of the bullpen while rehabbing and accruing service time… the worst of all possible scenarios.
…so go the Twins.
ok folks,
I can add the stats about Santana’s and Silva’s contributions last year, but most of the games that Santana was the winning pitcher, the Twins won by more than 2 runs… And remember, Santana won 15 games last year. I think that one of our pitchers this years (most likely Slowey/Bonser/Liriano can be close to that)… As far as Silva goes, I think that Baker can match hist stats from last year.
In other terms (look at a very feasable scenario):
Santana 2007 15 wins, Slowey 2008 13 wins
Silva 2007 13 wins, Baker 2008 13 wins
Bonser 2007 8 wins, Bonser 2008 12 wins
Baker 2007 9 wins, Liriano 2008 12 wins
Ponson+ Ortiz 2007 6 wins, Hernandez 2008 10 wins
this is a plus 9 wins, not counting the bullpen…
But heinie, Liriano is in trouble. All considerations are out the window except to do whatever can rehab him best.
And if Franchise approaches his former lights-out capability, then they wouldn’t dare hide Gomez in AAA. That would be tantamount to giving up on the season.
Let us not be impatient: Liriano lost 10 days of sping training, and he needs some more time before he reaches the level Bonser, Humber and Slowey are now.
In my opinion, he should start the season from the bullpen, pitching a couple of innings here and there until he gets in shape to start a game. Demotion to AAA will not accomplish anything. Remember, even Santana was pitching out of the bullpen before he became the ace. Give it a little time.
Starters for te first couple of months: Hernandez, Bonser, Baker (if healthy), Humber and Slowey. Possibly Blackburn.
thrylos, 25 wins combined for Liriano and Slowey? That’s optimistic. (And it still might be Blackburn instead of Liriano.)
But Baker could win 15. But Hernandez could fizzle.
I think starters will get a couple more wins. The bullpen may get lots more.
Liriano is fine….geez the guys pitched two really good innings and got tired. Take a deep breath and let the guy get his legs underneath him. He’ll end up starting up north and going 5 innings max the first couple times out.
Now, he won’t be 2006 Liriano, but his health is fine.
romer,
agreed… the points of my previous (numbers) post was that:
a. there were a lot of close games last year that were lost because of inadequate starting pitching and starting batters (41 in all).
b. this year, pitching overall (*yes Santana and Silva gone) can be better and get us at least 5 more wins at the close games we lost last year
c. this year batting overall could be better and get us at least 5 more wins at the close games we lost last year
so, we should be looking at the Twins with 89 or so wins next year…
Now, he won’t be 2006 Liriano, but his health is fine
I thought the question was not whether he’s healthy but whether he’ll be ready on opening day.
Is he healthy? I think he’s healthier than he’s been since he hurt his arm in his first year in the Giants system.
Will he be ready? I highly doubt it. He has to be able to pitch six innings while getting guys out. Right now he can pitch two. He has two starts left. If he adds an inning per of effective pitching, that’s four innings. He needs at least two more stats to be ready to pitch six innings.
To be on the safe side, why not give him four extra starts in Fort Myers before putting him in the rotation? I don’t get the need to rush him and risk injury when the real games start.
If you think this bunch of starters is even close to last years, you are a victim of spring homer fanaticism.
Really, nobody has even mentioned Garza is gone also. Not to mention it is likely every other team in the division is better, except maybe the Sox.
Enjoy the rebuilding years and hope Cleveland and Detroit fade in 2010 when the Twins might be competetive.
as far as Detroit goes, their starters are probably worse than last, year, their bullpen is worse than last year and their defense is much worse than last year. If I were managing a game against Detroit, my strategy would be bunt on the 3B line at all times or hit the ball between the third baseman and the ss…
Cleveland’s pitching no way is going to repeat what they did last year. Carmona looks worse than Liriano this spring and their bullpen is a mess…
About Garza: Garza won 5 games last year. He was 5-7…
G
Garza only pitched in 16 games and 83 innings. Not hard to replace, also look at his splits he was either very good or awful (how many games at the dome did he win?).
Boof was awful and should certainly improve. Baker should be better. How many innings did we waste on Ponson and Ortiz?
I’m not saying this rotation will be better. But it is young and there is talent. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle of the naysayers and rose colored optimists.
I understand “don’t baby him”.
I also understand the kid didn’t speak up in 2006 when his arm was hurting, his velocity is down significantly from where it was in 2006, he missed those 10 days (which could account for some of the velocity) & the start of the season isn’t going to move for him unless the Twins make it move.
I’m suggesting “make it move” - push him back some & make sure he gets built up before we run him out there for the big club.
If Fort Myers, etc. is too conservative - and it may well be - then do something not as drastic that moves the season back … just don’t put him in a position where he feels he needs to ‘hurry up.’
Liriano is in the rotation. There’s no two ways about it. Simply put, there’s no one ready to replace him.
Which is why they can’t afford to rush him back and have him blow out his arm.
He’s a competitor, and if he’s in the big club he’s going to put pressure on himself. Especially when there’s still fans who want this team to put together a World Series run with a young rotation and lineup in the middle of a transition.
(how many games at the dome did he win?)
Pointless stats. There are crappy pitchers that have won games at the Dome. (Ramon Ortiz and Sydney Ponson I believe both got at least one victory)
“Liriano is in the rotation. There’s no two ways about it. Simply put, there’s no one ready to replace him.”
I disagree.
Baker, Bonser, Blackburn, Slowey, Humber, Livan, Bass, and Perkins are EIGHT possible replacements, and only five are required.
It is preferable to pitch Duensing or Mulvey to reinjuring Liriano by rushing him back to the rotation.
Why risk losing him for 2009 when we may actually be in the race?
Thrylos, if a team could choose to have a strategy of ‘hitting the ball between the 3b and the SS’ against Detroit, why wouldn’t they do it against every other team?
They’d never make an out if they could do that.
Spring training is just that, training for the regular season.
You look more at is this player progressing or regressing. How is he handling having a bad day, does he come in and bust his but…Blah blah blah
Stats don’t mean all that much, but that is what us fans look at to form an opinion. Unless of coarse you actully get to watch the games.
About Garza: Garza won 5 games last year. He was 5-7…
Keep in mind that Garza (I think it was at least twice) pitched near shutout baseball and lost behind a lackluster offense. Remember that 1 run gem at the Dome that was a 1-0 loss?
Whoops. Used the joke name from yesterday on that last one. 
Regarding the Brendan Harris one-year-wonder theory:
YR LEVEL AVG HR RBI
‘02 HI-A .328 15 65
‘03 AA .280 5 52
‘04 AAA-MLB .284 18 62
‘05 AAA-MLB .271 14 84
‘06 AAA-MLB .293 11 63
‘07 MLB .286 12 59
Compare those numbers with LNP, Luis Rodriguez, Luis Rivas and Luis Castillo.
Harris is not tearing up ST, but if he has a bad season, then 2008 will be the glich, not 2007.
This Liriano thing is more serious than they are letting on. In addition to the injury they have altered his delivery, that also hampers his ability to throw the same pitches as before. 88-89 mph is a joke. If this were Carmen Cali throwing that speed people would have given up on him. It isn’t enough for him to feel good. This is the majors. In order to pitch well again he needs to find some of his old stuff. 17 months and we are still trying to be optimistic just because he feels ok? yikes.
sock_puppet (I love that name!) -
About Garza, keep in mind that he gave up 96 hits in 83 innings with a WHIP of 1.54. Combine that with the five wins, and it’s silly to say that our rotation is worse than last year because Garza’s gone. It’s possibly worse than it would be THIS year, assuming he at least partly lives up to potential. But replacing what he did last year will be extremely easy.
For a power strikeout type pitcher, people got a lot more wood on his pitches than they should have.
Everett:
88-89 will be a ‘joke’ if that’s all Cisco has. Thus far, there’s no reason to believe it is.
I recall people getting concerned during a recent spring training when Joe Nathan’s fastball was high 80’s, very low 90’s. Later we heard from Joe himself that that’s pretty normal for him that time of the year, that it always takes him a while to get his arm to where he hits 95. Sure enough, he was eventually throwing 95, just like always.
“It doesn’t hurt” is a BIG deal. Step 2 is “velocity & quality of pitches picks up.” Step 3 will be stretching the pitch count.
As I see it, Cisco hasn’t really even started on step 2 yet, that all we’re seeing thus far is stretching out of “it doesn’t hurt.” I just don’t want to see step 2 rushed.
As for his delivery - if the choice is use it & become Mark Prior or Kerry Wood or change it & become durable if not completely dominating, I’ll take #2.
Granted, those aren’t the only options …
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