Cuddyer to start in center field against Rangers
Posted on May 19th, 2008 – 3:44 PMBy Joe Christensen
As La Velle speculated for today’s editions, Michael Cuddyer is getting the start in center field tonight.
Updates to come…
Update (6:00 p.m.): Carlos Gomez took batting practice and said he’d like to be back in the lineup by tomorrow.
Matt Tolbert’s appointment with the hand specialist was pushed to tomorrow, so there was no update on his status.
Scott Baker continued to feel a slight issue with his right groin in a bullpen session today in Fort Myers, Fla. So instead of throwing live batting practice in his next session he will probably throw another bullpen.
Oh, and Rangers slugger Josh Hamilton hit a ball off the curtain — high off the panel with the division winners — during early batting practice. Manager Ron Washington was still marveling about it during his pregame media session.
Rangers (22-23)
1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
2. Michael Young, SS
3. Josh Hamilton, CF
4. Milton Bradley, DH
5. David Murphy, RF
6. Brandon Boggs, LF
7. Frank Catalanotto, 1B
8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
9. Ramon Vazquez, 3B
Starting pitcher: RH Scott Feldman
Twins (21-22)
1. Alexi Casilla, 2B
2. Brendan Harris, DH
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Michael Cuddyer, CF (corrected from earlier)
6. Jason Kubel, RF
7. Delmon Young, LF
8. Mike Lamb, 3B
9. Adam Everett, SS
Starting pitcher: RH Boof Bonser
Metrodome. First pitch: 7:10 p.m.
365 Responses to "Cuddyer to start in center field against Rangers"
Considering the circumstances, I guess this is the best we get. I personally would have DH’d Lamb, and played Harris at 3rd to see what he looks like over there, but it is probably a wash. Maybe a good way for Harris to rest up the hammy a little bit too
I still think we should have Livan DH on the days he isn’t pitching.
harris as DH? can we get brent gates out of retirement?
Why have harris DH, lets let monroe get more swings.
where is rondell when we need him… lol
Livan at DH today wouldn’t have been a bad choice, considering that Monroe was going to get today off almost no matter what.
Another idea to explore might be a 3rd catcher if Gomez has to go to the DL. Redmond could catch, and Mauer could DH more often, and would be like a little mini-break for him, and hopefully get Red Dog going too. The problem, of course, is Monroe would have to play alot of CF. Too bad Punto isn’t healthy enough to play a few games out there.
Hope Cuddy has fun tonight in CF.
If he does, why not try him at 3B? After all this is a tryout year……..a development/replacement/rebuilding year.
Should have just let the Boofster swing for himself…
Im assuming Kubel’s DH’ing not in RF?
Whaaaaaaaat? Cuddyer’s weakness is his range. CF requires the most range of any OF position. Oh well, maybe this isn’t a big deal if it only happens once. But why are we worried about Monroe wearing out after just a few games at CF? Shouldn’t we be more worried about Young wearing out? As usual, Gardy probable knows something I don’t…it’s just confusing to me who lacks said information.
Oh, I misread.
Joe, you’ve got Cuddy listed as starting in RF.
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I would have rather seen Delmon in CF.
This could be ugly again.
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For keeeping Kubel in the MLB
No doubt when Punto gets back he can play center field full time and send Gomez down to save service time and work on his eye at the plate.
Anthony LaPanta should be the DH. I want to see him hold onto that horrible hair pice while he is rounding first.
Yea why don’t we put Monroe in, he has been fairly solid and he is a HR threat to put in our line-up.
I think we have to look at the situation we are in. A lot of guys on the DL make it hard to field a team that will make everyone happy. I am not pumped about the line up but it is the best we can do right now.
The biggest question is: “How long will Gomez be out for?”
If he is going to be out for sometime then we need to bring Span up, let him have a little try out in the OF.
As for Cuddy and where to put him, I read that someone thinks he should try out at 3B. Do you not remember that failure a few years ago?
Our lineup in the future will be great, we just have to put up with the bumps now. Young will be the hitter we want he just needs to settle down and get used to his new surroundings.
Enjoy the ball game boys! and girls too! Sorry
I think Gardy rode the Monroe hot streak for about as long as he should have.Monroe had some horrid ABS in Colorado. A lefty/righty DH platoon with Kubel and Monroe sounds about right to me.Each of them can pick up a few extra ABS in the outfield once a week or so.
not sure i get this cuddy in cf thing. he has been far from good in rf miss playing several balls and having no range at all. i think monroe isn’t ready for aarp so playing 4-5 days in cf shouldn’t put him in the old folks home.
he screws up tonight and what second guessing, imo gardy is just asking for trouble from the blog nation.
Sign Bonds!
ugly lineup in a tough situation. Life could be worse. Nick Punto could be off the disabled list!
The fact that we are doing this well, and people are upset is a vote for Morneau for MVP, and Livan Hernandez for CY Young, and a vote for Joe Nathan for Reliever of the year.
Imagine if this team had a hitting coach, and their manager wasn’t busy with his bathroom caulk commericals and concentrated on his baseball team? Maybe it’s more serious, and it’s his brother’s death, and his own health issues, but he’s not the same Gardy that he was 2-3 years ago. Not by any stretch.
BC Benike,
Gardenhire doesn’t have the same players he had 2-3 years ago either.I’m no fan of his,but this is looking like a pretty rag tag unit right now.I think its time for management to realize that the fillers they brought in, Lamb,Everett,and to a lesser extent,Harris,don’t constitute a quality ML infield.
As a fan I will hope that once the injury situation is taken care of,the Twins will do the right thing and truely start rebuilding for 2010.It was a nice try to stay “competitive” but this group won’t get them there IMO.
Fire Gardy and move him into the radio booth to replace Dan Gladden.
Maybe bring Dan Gladden in as the hitting instructor for the AA team?
Fire Joe Vavra, and contact Kevin Seitzer or Mike Greenwell.
Bring Anderson in as the manager, and bring up the Cliburns from AAA. The manager as our bench coach, and the pitching coach to bring some stability in the transition to our pitching situation.
Once the players are healthy, if nothing else has changed, it’s time to unload Mike Lamb and Adam Everett (I thought they were good signings, but I am willing to admit when I’m wrong) I’d like to see Pohlad and Smith do the same thing!
Doug, after seeing your comments I think you can see that I was thinking along the same lines as you were.
Except I am not willing to say that Gardy is not showing signs of being less of a coach than he was. He is making far too many mistakes.
One is keeping Vavra… that is unforgivable.
Harris to DH? Sounds too similar to Tyner at DH.
How did Casilla slip into the lineup? Ugghhhh! I wish the kid would make me eat my words. I just hate his attitude AND he will try to swing from the left side again tonight. That should be humorous to watch again. Oh well, his double pumps from 2b should at least not be a problem in making easy plays turn in to close ones.
Where’s Nicky when we need him?
Tolbert — why did you do that dumb slide?
Nathan, you practically killed Gomez on that 0-2 pitch to the wall and we are still paying for it.
Was that a Korecky sighting yesterday? Will he ever get another chance to pitch before another 8 days goes by?
There. I feel better. Go Twins!
If Smith admits they made mistakes in Lamb and Everett they won’t fire Gardenhire because of it,nor should they.Having said that the Manager needs to be held accountable for continued subpar fundamental play,I’d like to see Gardenhire Talk some blame for that.
Here’s hoping that Smith will admit his mistakes and be more proactive than the man he replaced.
Listen guys, the manager has limited options. The regular center fielder is hurt. Harris can’t catch the ball. Monroe can’t play too many days in a row, and he has even less range than Cuddyer. Give the manager some credit for trying to piece it together with a crippled up roster. Sheesh!
I have no problems with his lineups,given what he has to work with.But the Twins have played very poor fundamental baseball for much of this season and someone needs to be held accountable for that, considering that is what the Twins hang their hats on.
I agree with cmathewson, give Gardy a break. This is the best he can do for today so give it up. I think Gardy did take some blame for yesterday’s game by saying something like, “this is my baseball team out there I take responsiblity for it.”. I bet that everyone was out taking early batting/fielding practice today. (Or at least I hope)
Christie…
this is more about the fact that Gardy still uses Rincon far too much.
He has not fired Joe Vavra
He has not found a solution to the shoddy defense.
This has nothing about Cuddyer playing in CF tonight.
This is about Gardy not doing his job very well.
We know that every sunday he’s going to have a horseshit line up out there, and on most Thursdays. He empties the entire bench all at once instead of having the team flow, he makes it worse.
When Punterrible is back, he’ll get to play far too much.
I also have not seen Gardy take off his jacket in 3 years. That is more of a personal annoyance. He has worn that jacket every day since the 2006 season. No one else wears a jacket…
Fire Gardy, Fire Vavra. Bring up the Cliburns from AAA. have the pitching coach replace Anderson, and have the AAA manager be our bench coach. Bring in Seitzer, Greenwell, Bill Madlock, or Al Oliver… maybe Johnny Ray in as the hitting instructor for the team. Gardy’s a good guy so let him replace the 10 times worthless Dan Gladden in the booth, and then when the offense is closer to 100% if Lamb and Everett are still playing like Tony Batista and RonDL White fire them too!
Please don’t lump me in with That BC rant!Holy Cow!
Remember when LEN3 said this Rangers team was the worst in the AL?
Yeah…
Jacque Jones signs a minor league deal with the Florida Marlins.
josh hamilton goes deep of bonser twice
BC,
Thanks for reminding me why I don’t visit this blog very often anymore.
Regards,
Why don’t they let alexi play short, let harris play second and dh monroe. It would be a great day to have both kubel and monroe in the lineup.
Man this line-up sucks!
Hope Boof finds his curve!
Man we suck in a very average way!
Without gomez in the line-up there’s little reason to even watch tonight….sad.
Nathan Morneau and Gomez that’s all we got (no I didn’t forget Mauer the Tim Duncan of baseball I wouldn’t miss him).
Young and Mauer the ambiguously gay duo
With all the injuries there is nothing wrong with the lineups and its worth giving it a show for one game.
All this garbage and Mauer still bats third.
Cuddyer has been a wasted spot this season and they upgrade him to CF?
Where for art thou Denard Span???
Boof needs to go back to the blue jerseys. He seemed to pitch better in the blue in the 2 starts early in the season he picked ‘em.
Gardy should take blame for both Colorado losses…
you’re kidding me with Mike Lamb and the game on the line, right? There’s only so many times the guy’s going to be able to get that blooper to left to fall.
Let me be Gardy:
Harris
Mauer
Kubel
Morneau
Cuddy
Young
Monroe
Lamb
Everett
Wait, this lineup makes way too much sense….
Let ME be Gardy
Casilla
Mauer
Morneau
Cuddy
Kubel
Young
Harris
Lamb
Everett
HOliday hits third,
Ortiz hits third,
Hamilton hits third
why not have our best hitter hit third.
“why not have our best hitter hit third.”
“our best hitter” does bat third.
BC, while Gardy can suggest coaching changes and roster moves…I don’t think its his decision ultimately.
Brent, once again…Ortiz hits third because the Red Sox have Manny Rameriez hitting behind him. Holiday has Todd Helton. Hamilton has Milton Bradley.
Michael Cuddyer is not Manny Rameriez. He will never be Todd Helton. And I don’t think the Twins have a future Milton Bradley.
Craig, people don’t equate high AVG or OBP with good hitting. They think of power as good hitting.
That’s the problem with the word “good”. Is power or consistency more important?
Why are some people on here saying that Monroe cant play too many days in a row and that he needs to rest? Come on give me a break the guy is only 31 years old!! he’s not 41……
But then again it doesnt really matter because Boof is pitching tonight. Boof probably wouldn’t even be the ace on the St Paul Saints pitching staff. If Boof sucks again tonight, its time for him to start packing for Rochester
I don’t know if the team that Gardy is putting out on the field tonight, is the worst in the history of the Twins, but it has to be close. I don’t blame Gardy. He has been dealt an awful hand.
They still have a good chance to beat the Rangers. The Twins should actually feel confident tonight. Not because they are a good team, but because Texas is so bad.
T,
Understood that Cuddy isn’t as good as The three players you named, but he still hits behind Morneau if Morneau is hitting 4th. This would just get Morneaau more AB’s, moves Kubel up and I know my cred might go right out the window when I say this, moves YOung up (who I still hold out hope for).
Gardy won’t hit 3 lefties in a row so that throws out Kubel as cleanup and Cuddy has hit there before.
I also like the thought of the pitcher having to get through both Mauer and Morneau in the first.
Jason Pridie is completely over-matched in AAA. He needs to drop down to AA, with Luke Hughes or Dustin Martin moving up.
Knott and Whiteside have been released. Ruiz should follow.
I think the reason Monroe is sitting is more or less that platoon thing that hasn’t been working as we had all hoped.
The only reason I can think is that if Cuddy, Kubel, and Yuong are in the lineup they need a bench OF option in case of PH situations.
That’s an interesting put out. 1-5-4?
joe hit your first hr
i think young is starting ro turn around his season
Oh, and in case anybody hasn’t noticed…the fan response to tonight’s game appears very lackluster.
So yes, the people are speaking with their wallets.
Can somebody with better knowledge of where to get stats let me know how many of Morneau’s HR’s this year have been multi-run?
I seem to recall the Twins having the problem the last few years where he’d never have anybody on base when he jacked them.
Mauer swinging at a 3-0 pitch….. don’t see that to also
*to often
Now imagine if Cuddyer were batting third.
Morneau needs somebody behind him that can protect him, because they didn’t pitch to him in that last AB.
Though I diagree with at least one of the strikes called against Cuddyer in that AB. The first 5 pitches were to the exact same palce.
Pardon, that should be “Imagine if Cuddyer were batting 4th”
It has nothing to do with speaking with there wallets. It is just that MN fans are mostly fairweather fans. The ones that don’t show up are the ones that complain about the payroll. We have had 1 bad year and this will be 2. Teams like the pirates and royals have gone a lot longer with bad teams so we need to quit whining and deal with the fact that you cannot put a winning team out there every year.
While that is true in part…those types of fans are the ones that on a beautiful summer day are going to be a large portion of your walk up sales.
With this lineup we’re fielding tonight Boof better be on.
I love it when people suggesting dumping all the players. We can barely field a team in MLB or AAA. Who would we replace any of these guys with?? Gardy needs to get something out of the vets. We need a combo of youngsters and journeyman, ala St. Louis, Oakland and TK in his day. Gardy has already depleted the farm system.
He better be the one kicked out of the rotation when baker gets back.
How did Casilla ever get out of single A ball without someone noticing that he can’t hit left handed?
“I don’t know if the team that Gardy is putting out on the field tonight, is the worst in the history of the Twins, but it has to be close.”
Is this your first Twins game? There was a worse lineup yesterday and many times last year and the Gardner years are unmentionable.
Finally a 2-out hit with RISP.
the Wells complete game was on the other day:
lineup was much worse
I can’t think of a single good reason to stick an automatic out in the #1 spot in the order. Someone help me out? His only hope is that someone walks or hits him. Casilla is helpless from the left side.
This is not Gardy’s fault……The Twins do not have that much talent. This is one of the worst Twins teams in recent memory. No Manager can win with this team…..They have to be kicking themselves for signing Lamb to a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd. And No-Hit Adam bad shoulder and all is a complete bust at short and Boof keeps proving he is not a major league pitcher…Rincon the same..Crain is not ready yet to pitch in the Majors again after being hurt and with Pat gone…..all of sudden the Twins have no bullpen, no power and no defense, that is not Gardy’s fault…..that is what he was handed by Smith and Company.
worse then the 98, 99, 2000 team?
Cuddyer is overrated - Has one good year and we lock him up long term, now we are going to have to deal with a right fielder who will be lucky to hit 260 15/70
And this is the guy people want hitting Cleanup eh?
“This is not Gardy’s fault……The Twins do not have that much talent”
Not true. Hitters are streaky. Now Harris is getting in his groove again. Delmon is looking better, Lamb will still hit. Twins fans are so used to seeing utility men play they think that every ball should be caught and if you give a guy 500 at bats he will never get out of a slump but that’s not the case. None of these players will stay in a slump the whole year like Tyner and Punto.
I have had enough I am going to watch the Western Channel.The joke is on us!
Evertt Fan, at what point is it no longer “slump” and becomes “they suck” 
see ya
None of these players will stay in a slump the whole year like Tyner and Punto.
Tyner didn’t have a problem with slumps, he was just a very limited offensive player.
Check you stats Tyner almost hit 300 last year
This team isnt nearly as bad as some of you make it out too be. Look at the giants pads and nats to see some really bad teams.
good job Koobs
i was pissed the white sox got to play the giants
T, not time to give up yet. I agree you never know, but at least Smith is trying something Ryan never did. I guarantee you one thing if you go into the playoffs with a team full of utility players you can’t win, the pitching overmatches you. We have see that plenty they last few years.
Check you stats Tyner almost hit 300 last year
Along with a very mediocre OBP and absolutely zero power, from a corner outfield position.
Very limited offensively.
I am hoping to drive away the fair weather fans and leave blog world to those who will be here all year.
no way
What in theeeeee hell was that?!!!!!
Thank you Lexi. I am eating my words as you are circling the bases.
crushed by the little guy
romer if your out there, I take back everything I ever said about Casillas lefthaneded swing!…At least for tonight!
Alexi has left the bldg.
Honestly, how could that happen? I guess that must be the hot zone of Lexi’s left handed side. I am guessing he won’t see another pitch in that spot for a good long time.
Wow. Probably bought yourself another few starts. First Everett now Lexi. Nice.
How did Casilla ever get out of single A ball without someone noticing that he can’t hit left handed?
Seem’s he can hit lefty to me
David, see note at 8:14. but, thanks for noticing.
Something about even a blind squirrel finding an acorn.
Lifetime average of .180 left handed and now 1 for 6 this year. I won’t mind eating my words tonight though. I expect he will continue to prove my words over the course of his career though. Go Lexi. what a stud!
Is it just me or does Kubel seem to move better than Cuddy in right? Is that possible?
For anyone who doesn’t know Jon Lester (BOS) Has thrown 8 innings and has given up no hits.
Oh, oh. Vavra was talking Casilla. He must be mad that he drove it. Should have gone the other way softly.
T - I think the argument for Mauer 2 and Morneau 3 is every bit as valid as Mauer 2/Morneau 4 or Mauer 3/Monreau 4. Not sure which one you support. In every situation, you have someone hitting behind Monreau — and Cuddy is the likely one in each case.
The argument for 2 and 3 for the two best twins hitters is to get them more at bats and with fewer outs in the first inning. It’s called bunching your hitters. One potential good inning and two quick ones. The current method requires one of our automatic outs to get on base or to hit one out like Lexi just did. Odds and previous history are proving that to be pretty unreliable.
In the end, our problem is not really the batting order though. It is fun to speculate, but when you have as few hitters as we do to work with, your hands are a bit tied.
I really hope he gets it.
Jon Lester has thrown a no hitter in boston tonight and it sends fenway into a frenzy!
Dang, where is reyes? Don’t let boof let this one get away
Wow
Well that got ugly in a hurry.
anyone think he should’ve been taken out 2 batters earlier?
Regardless of how good Gardenhire has been at some things this year (yeah, I know. like what?), the thing he has been utterly incompetent at is knowing when to pull the starting pitcher. I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20, but can’t he do it right ONCE?
Beautiful pitch
Go Shaggy!!!!!
I’m starting to thing the people that want Gardy fired are right how do keep Boof in there….Gardy could help alot of our young pitchers out but getting them out of the game at the right.
As long as Gardy keeps Mauer batting 3rd, and doesn’t repeat the failed experiment of using him in the 2 spot, he is doing just fine. That’s the most important thing when he fills out the lineup, put Mauer 3rd. The rest doesn’t matter much.
Everybody seems to agree with you, Dave, but you have a funny way of putting it!
But I’m with you all the way, buddy!
I’m at work so I was typing fast, and did not proof read it.
If the Twins lose this game you can put it all on the great Gardy’s managing or lack there of.
I would agree that Gardy’s options continue to be limited by the poor job of drafting, developing, and otherwise acquiring the right players. However, the fact that the team has been worse and worse at the “little things” every year he has been manager is a reflection on him as much or more than on Ryan/Smith. I’m no Gardy fan, but Ryan and his scouts and the development staff are the primary culprits in terms of this teams success (and the success or failure for the next couple of years.
crap
crap again
Well, I am not one to let the players off so easily. If Boof makes a simple throw to 2nd, we turn a DP and no runs score in the 7th… game over pretty much with the 5-2 lead and 2 innings to go.
I agree somewhat that Gardy seems to be leaving pitchers in a little too long, but look at his options. I don’t trust Crain and Rincon right now, Reyes is generally used as a specialist, Bass is long relief, and Nathan is for the 9th. The best setup option right now is Korecky and how often do you want to put a rookie in tight spots?
Losing Neshek really weakened Gardy’s options, not trying to make an excuse, just looking at it realistically.
“Is it just me or does Kubel seem to move better than Cuddy in right? Is that possible?”
Sure it’s possible. Kubel doesn’t have Cuddyer’s legs, but he may pick up the ball better off the bat. He may judge the flight of the ball better. Bottom line though, neither are good fielders.
Go Murphy!!!!! The Rangers are capable of playing even dumber than the Twins!
I just added it up. From the moment I wrote that the Rangers were the worst team in the AL, they have gone 14-6 and are winning tonight.
Boy, can I pick ‘em!
Boof better practice that throw to second for a few hours tomorrow so he could make it in his sleep
If you aren’t willing to put Korecky in tight spots, why are you willing to let rookie hitters hit? Korecky is not the best option right now, probably. His minor league career was too exciting (as in, too many base runners). However, why not give him a chance? He doesn’t seem to be getting much chance to prove whether he is good or not (while Delmon and Gomez are given every chance).
This team is about where most of us thought it would be, just arriving there differently. With the success of Livan and Nick B, this team should have 5 more wins if it was hitting like many thought it would. But they don’t, so the work of those two pitchers is making up for the generally bad hitting.
I tuned out for a while after Casilla’s homer…who are we blaming and want canned tonight?
Gardy, Vavra, Anderson, Wally the Beerman?
I can’t keep up anymore.
Casilla now has more HRs than Mauer and Young combined, one fourth of the way through the season. What do you think I could have made in Vegas making that bet?
Cuddyer?
Fire Gardenhire!
At the beginning of the season when everybody was wondering who’d have the first homer, I said it was just as likely taht somebody nobody would expect would get it.
Turns out it was Kubel, but then I think Harris was next. So I just missed it.
But Harris, Casilla, and Evertt have combined for 4 already this season. How does that compare to our 2B and SS tandem last year at this time?
Cuddyer is the most overrated OF in the MLB. Only his arm is legit
Good comment T
Carlos,
After Boof made the error he should have been pulled. After making such a huge mistake there is no way his head could have been clear to pitch.
FINALLY JESUS CHRIST RON!
So my question…
When the offense stinks but the pitching is awesome, everybody wants Vavra fired.
When pitching stinks and offense scores some runs, it’s…Gardy?
Maybe Anderson’s lost hist touch. Hmmm?
Now it doesnt make sense to pinch run cause a hit scores kubel anyway JESUS!
I think Castillo and LNP each had 1 all year, Bartlett might have had 6?
So if Evertt gets an AB…Monroe would likely be a PH option.
But the problem is…who plays the field? Clark?
Where on earth did that miss.
dan, it takes a lot less to score Kubel from 2nd than it would Gomez.
any chance lamb will come through here? (not holding my breath)
No, this is a Boof issue. He’s just not that good. I think Anderson is good, he has a track record of being successful in the minors and so far with the Twins.
Who’s decision is it to take pitchers out? Do we blame Gardenhire or Anderson? Both? Ultimately it comes down to the Manager.
Clark at second, Monroe to CF and Casilla to SS
Swung at Ball 4 (or at least 3)
Gardy’s hands are tied. If he pulls lamb for Monroe, they “accidentally” walk him and face Everett.
….sheesh …
JDW: Are we going that whole thing where it was so obvious to take out Boof that nobody suggested it until AFTER the fact?
Id take Jeff Cirillo any day of the week over Mike Lamb and his incredible bat
Good sign: Gomez is able to play the field still.
Oh yeah, cause Cirillo was a STUD when he played for the Twins…
.260 vs mikes .220
wow no Joe? Why get him up? This is a scenerio where you would want to use him. 1 run game, best pitcher in the pen you want to keep it close and Crain is struggling here.
might have to do to Crain what they did to Liriano
Why doesn’t gardy understand that there will be no save situation now so why keep nathan on the bench and let crain piss away the already slim chance of a comeback.
cause he is gardy!
T - I called for Reyes before any runs scored in the 7th. So, no, it is not all 2nd guessing. He got hammered; then butchered a routine DP throw; then got hammered again. I made the call before the DP misfire.
It wasn’t that hard.
T: No! IMO Gardenhire has repeatedly shown a reluctance to remove a starter when it is due. People can say our bullpen is being taxed but when does a reliever have to be coddled and not used just because he threw a dozen pitches 2 games in a row? I know our relivers have had injury ( Neshek) but I guess I think pitchers in general are babied too much. With that being said it is obvious one can tell when a starter has either lost it or else been figured out by the batters (ala Slowely)
dan, they can’t just go to Nathan every single game where they’re down by one run late.
They need guys like Rincon, Crain, and Reyes to step it up. Bremer said it best, they needed somebody to step up with Neshek hurt and so far nobody’s done that.
If some of the people had they’re way, Nathan would’ve thrown in roughly 30 games already by this point.
Probably for 40 innings or more.
Why can’t they go to Nathan, almost every time, when they’re down by one run late?
What are they saving him for? Has he pitched a lot lately?
He hasn’t pitched since friday so why not put him in.
No Monroe? Yea pinch hit Redmond that will work
“Why can’t they go to Nathan, almost every time, when they’re down by one run late?”
Yeah, we’ve been down that road. Last year he was going to Nathan in non-saves.
So naturally when he ended up struggling or blowing it the argument was Gardy was a moron for doing it.
But whatever, use Nathan every night. That’ll guarantee that he’s worn out when he need him most.
Nathan hasn’t pitched since Friday, and frankly they aren’t stepping up, but they can’t trot them out there and blow games if they expect to win. It seems more and more like winning is secondary right now.
Oh hey look. They pinch hit Monroe for Mr. Automatic Out.
Oh wait, Casilla hit a homer. So that makes Gardy stupid now.
Mr Automatic Out? What are you doped up on
Boy, the K-Zone tonight has been most inconsistent. That last ball was better than the strike before it (at least IMHO)
wow, I hope they don’t have to take the field again now!
“Mr Automatic Out? What are you doped up on”
Like I said. Casilla hit a homer today. So everybody loves him now and thus Gardy is a moron.
But whatever, use Nathan every night. That’ll guarantee that he’s worn out when he need him most.
Yes, save him for that hypothetical future save so that you can use him in a game where you’re down by 10 because “he needs some work.”
I want to see them tied for just that reason Royster.
…this K-Zone confuses me. I have a bad feeling a Twin’s going to get K-ed up on one of those balls to end this.
T - Nobody is suggesting using Nathan a lot more than he is used to. He has 17 innings so far. Not a big deal. And 4 of those innings were in non-save situations; two of them to just get some work. If he doesn’t pitch tonight, he probably works tomorrow even if we are losing or winning by 10.
Fact is Gardy has not done well so far this season on making the pitching moves. He has been an easy 2nd guess target. Bad luck? Maybe. Bad managing? Also, maybe. Lots of us are going with (B) above.
No I just would not have used Redmond for Everett, I dunno Red doesnt look good at the plate this year.
Lets go Joseph!
T is fired up
I want to puzzle out this potential Bottom of the 9th
OF: Young, Gomez, Monroe
IF: Lamb, Clark, Cuddyer, Morneau? (Cuddy hasn’t played second since 2003 I think)
Casilla’s home run was a fluke, it was a belt high pitch down the heart of the plate, it was a get it over strike and Casilla went for it.
Frankly Casilla is here for his “glove” and his speed. He is a .219 hitter at the MLB level. Monroe is the right decision there Monroe has a chance at hitting a HR where Casilla hit his for the next 3 seasons.
It would be fun to see, Reddog at 2B, Clark at ss or would they give up the DH and put Harris in the field? I admit it would be fun, and they couldn’t do much worse than the fielding we’ve seen lately.
My bad…top 10th
If you put red in for everett and he gets on and monroe hits one out twins win if you put monroe in and he hits on out its a tie game and then red gets a single and we go to extras. It was the right choice and there wasn’t a whole lot of though necessary.
does Cuddyer play 2b if this inning ends in a tie?
SAC-FRELLING-FLY!
Wow the Rangers are giving this one away and the Twins are just saying No you take it.
“But whatever, use Nathan every night. That’ll guarantee that he’s worn out when he need him most.”
Nobody’s saying use him every night. But tonight’s a home game, no more save situation. You’re down one run going into the ninth. Nathan hasn’t pitched since Friday. You’ve lost 5 of 6.
I ask again, what are you saving him for?
Scissor me timbers!
Yes
God when it comes to Joe Mauer
Dick = Hawk Harrelson
T i wish i had your expert baseball mind
So, uh, Gardy rocks?
Okay, Walk-Off for Morneau so we avoid the weirdest infield EVER next inning.
T is just very opinionated and thinks hes always right, its cool though
Nice job jumping on the first good strike Joe. C’mon Justin, if they pitch to you.
dan, he just tied the game in the ninth. I think the annoucers have the right to call it with some enthusiasm.
Dick still gives credit to quality plays by the opposing team. Try watching the Hawk call a game. Case in point, Gomez’s 08 cycle and Mornaeu 3-HR game in 07.
And that baserunning play ticks me off. Contact play and Morneau hits it to the one spot he shouldn’t have.
Way to go Cuddy
Wow boy am i shocked by that runner on 3rd 1 out and NO DICE!
Let’s put Mauer at 3b. I’ve wanted that for a long time.
Hey I am a Hawk fan, i find the guy entertaining as hell
Here we go!
“T is just very opinionated and thinks hes always right…”
Hardly. I just want people to think about things in more than just “___ sucks” and “___ is awesome.”
It takes 50 men and several coaches to play a ball game. No one piece is to blame.
And like I always say…you have to sometimes give the opposing team credit.
And here’s why he didn’t go to Nathan. Now Nathan can come in to hold a tie in extra innings.
no way we should not have scored 2 runs in that inning. That’s all on Gardy. (That was just for you T - LOL)
the number one thing i take from the bottom of the ninth…we sent a PINCH HITTER to plate who’s batting .160.
A guy off the bench used because he’s better than the guy who was due up hitting .160.
This is Minnesota Twins baseball.
Harris in the field, no more DH
Oh yeah…forgot about Harris! LOL!
That made it a lot easier than we thought it would be.
How many groundouts has Cuddyer hit into this year?
Ah, gave up the DH spot…
How many pitches was that??
Cuddaya has been brutal
With Nathan coming to pitch along with the new middle IF, does Gardy get a chance to play with the lineup?
I just want to make a DY goes yard call. It is mid-May after all.
Uh oh, Nathan’s arm is going to fall off now.
Okay, so Harris goes to SS (stays batting 2nd)
Clark comes in for Monroe (hitting 1st)
Nathan comes in for…who and bats where?
T- You need to watch more W-Sox games Hawk gives way more credit to opposing teams than Bremer and the majority of opposing announcers. Ive heard several instances of Hawk giving credit to the Twins.
P.S: T- I usually agree w/ your comments so dont feel this is a personal attack tonight. We just disagree as far as Gardenhire & Hawk Harrelson goes
Livian will PH if it gets to the P spot i’d guess
I thought you didnt give up the DH spot unless of an injury. If I am mistaken I apologize
Listening to the game on the radio and watching on mlb.com Gameday, the Twins may have to invite St. Paul’s own Tim Tschida to their xmas party. Can’t tell but anyone else have an opinion?
T - they put in Nathan for Casilla/Monroe and Clark for Everett/Redmond spots.
OK, no more DY calls, at least tonight.
I think what bothers me more about Hawk is that he’s very calm for ANYTHING by the opposing team and wigs out for the most unimportant of plays (”you can put it on the board!” when down 12-1 game).
I’m also a staunch opposer of “We” coming from an announcer. He sounds like a fan who snuck into the booth.
Lamb to the rescue!!! (holding my breath this time).
this is all so gosh darn exruciating!
Now if it goes another inning they can pinch hit Livan for the pitcher.
So fellow Twins fans, Nathan will be leading off next inning.
Lamb is now hitting (drum roll….) .218
And yeah, I just thought of what Royster was saying. Not to mention Livan could probably pitch one or two.
T: I understand your points w/ Hawk but, he’s paid by the WhiteSox, and I think Bremer is a cheerleader and an apologist for the Twins as much if not more than Hawk
T,
You’re absolutely right… Gardy is beyond reproach in EVERYTHING he does. He’s the perfect manager just as he was a perfect player. Everyone on here who points out the obvious — shame on all of you! Gardy is the second coming of the Messiah and no one can contest T’s immaculate baseball acumen… let alone his tsuami-like man-crush on a manager who had to agree to manage a team that was set to be contracted just to get a chance to manage. I have to wonder though, considering how Gardy was created as nature’s most perfect species…where’s his ring?
Yes, that’s exactly what Gardy’s thinking should be, T.
“I’ll pitch the worse pitcher first, in case we get exactly one run in the bottom of the ninth and go to extra innings. That way I can pitch Nathan the tenth.”
Yeah, we need to make a move with Buscher.
And to answer Dick’s questions, no they can not keep eating. The promotion ends after 2 hours or 7 innings. Which is first.
“You’re absolutely right… Gardy is beyond reproach in EVERYTHING he does.”
Your ability to build straw man impresses me.
No I am the coming of the messiah
Pot….kettle….
Boggs, Cantalope, and Saltypistachio have five of the Ranger”s hits tonight.
According to Kevin, I never complain about any situation.
Which is very much incorrect.
I think the problem with Kevin (and some other people) is that since I don’t complain about the same things every post I make…they forget that I have problems with this team as it is.
But if it’ll help, I can write up a form “signature” of sorts and paste it to the end of every one of my comments. That way everytime I post you can get your reminder as to where I find fault with the team.
To avoid T suggesting this is a 2nd guess, I would bring in Korecky now for Rincon.
“Boggs, Cantalope, and Saltypistachio have five of the Ranger”s hits tonight.”
The all Desert-Team doing the damage.
I really enjoyed the Colorado radio announcers (heard on XM radio). THey were knowledgable and respectful and had nice things to say about the Twins. dont know their names. but they were fun to listen to even if you weren’t Rox fans.
“To avoid T suggesting this is a 2nd guess, I would bring in Korecky now for Rincon.”
I’d go with Livan. Get out of the inning and then also hit.
And that’s a joke, so that people don’t think I’m arguing.
Gardy is getting fired up in the dugout
Is Nathan hurt?
Wait…never heard that rule before.
So just send Anderson up there, and force the ump to make you take him.
Wait a second. Did he just pull Nathan after a 5 pitch inning? Can’t he just forfeit the game instead of giving out free stats to the opposing team.
Or have Rincon fake injury.
Can’t give up a run here. Not much chance of scoring next inning with Clark, pitcher, Harris due up.
Yeah, Nathan should still be in here. It’d be nice to know why that is not the case.
Still trying to track down the Mound Visit rule as well. That’s a weird one.
8.06
A professional league shall adopt the following rule pertaining to the visit of the manager or coach to the pitcher:
(a) This rule limits the number of trips a manager or coach may make to any one pitcher in any one inning;
(b) A second trip to the same pitcher in the same inning will cause this pitcher’s automatic removal;
(c) The manager or coach is prohibited from making a second visit to the mound while the same batter is at bat, but
(d) if a pinch-hitter is substituted for this batter, the manager or coach may make a second visit to the mound, but must remove the pitcher.
So get this, MLB.com doesn’t appear to keep a copy of the rule book online anymore. It just has some of the rules and you have to buy the full book.
“But if it’ll help, I can write up a form ’signature’ of sorts and paste it to the end of every one of my comments. That way everytime I post you can get your reminder as to where I find fault with the team.”
Nah. Nobody cares.
I thought this was the year my dreams of Rincon being traded would come true, but with Neshek on the shelf, I doubt it will happen. To bad.
Yep, 5 pitches for Nathan in a tie game. Go figure!
Ah. Thanks snepp.
We’ll never forget 8.06c will we?
Peter, Twins almost dumped him on Tampa.
Who’s left in the pen at this point?
“Nah. Nobody cares.”
Seems like it. Doesn’t matter what I don’t like, just focus on what I do.
So much for Livan pinch hitting, with only Bass left in the pen Korecky will have to bat. Monroe should be in the outfield, Cuddy should be at short, and Harris could still be the DH.
Ah. Thanks snepp.
Don’t thank me, thank Google.
*phew*
I had flashbacks to the “Double Play” in which Dougie hit Sweeney in the back so many years ago.
what a very odd game
Royster, I was thinking Cuddyer at 2B vs. SS. He’s got SOME playtime there comparred to SS.
The bigger decision was not bringing Nathan back.
Nice work Rook!
Korecky steps it up a notch!
Livan still PHs. He had a long game against Colorado, but he probably could go an inning. If the Twisn don’t wrap it up in the 11th or 12th they don’t deserve to win this.
I hate Juan Rincon, i cringe everytime he is warming up. Congrtas on Korecky cleaning his mess.
OK. Korecky can pitch in tight situations now. Gardy, I hope you were watching. Yea, another pitcher. Way to earn your stripes tonight young man.
oh my sweet korecky!!
Give that man the setup job!
need a few secs of Family Guy
Rincon needs to be released. I am sure the Marlins can sign him to reunite him with Jacque Jones.
Knock it out of the park, kid.
Korecky had that big AB vs. Manny back against Boston too.
Maybe they’ve found their guy.
They want to pitch to Livan. They don’t care if a runner’s on.
“kid” = Korecky
T, you’re right about Cuddy at 2nd although he was drafted as a SS, then again many major league infielders played SS in high school.
Going with Korecky?
Well, he saved a big inning. Why the heck not hit a walk off!
Go figure.
Holy Korecky Batman!
good hit pitcher
What a night for the kid!
Someone else who hits better than Punto!
Royster. Cuddy started as a SS? Wowza.
I guess nathan was at one point as well. Cuddyer and Nathan both look WAY to lanky to do it.
come on Bobby walk off homer (yea right but it’s fun to dream)
When your offense is this bad, who needs a DH anyway. Get some more money out of your pitchers!
It’s the first hit by a Twins pitcher in an American League game since Allan Anderson in 1989.
ata boy Bobby
So how appropriate would it be for Korecky to be his own winning run?
LOL! Wearing Punto’s helmet.
Again, go figure.
Thanks La Velle. Let’s hope the Twins can make something of his hit.
God I love Baseball!
La Velle: Run this check.
Garza hit in Chicago last season when Redmond was hurt early.
So, Garza this year…Korecky this year. Did any other team in an AL park have the pitcher get an AB between then and when the Twins did then and tonight?
SS’s are often the best player on the field therefore many major leaguers are SS’s at one point or another because they are usually the best players on there high school teams.
I can’t see the live game, but didn’t Korecky’s hit even leave the infield? He can hit for POWER too!
Mike,
It was a hit to RF.
Mike, Korecky’s hit was a bullet between the 2b and 1b.
I remember the Yankees giving up the DH spot in a game, but may have PH for the pitcher, not sure.
Speaking of Cuddy as a SS. Remember at one point when Morneau was a catching prospect?
Did he get any time with the Twin behind the plate? I can swear I saw him in gear once. May have been Spring Training though.
That’s STATS Inc search, sorry.
never with the Twins, except maybe in the low minors
Again. SAC-FREAKING-FLY.
MIKE:
Don’t listen to them. It was a SCREAMER, A LASER SHOT. Korecky’s running on pure adrenaline!
“It’s the first hit by a Twins pitcher in an American League game since Allan Anderson in 1989.”
Next one happens in 2027. Don’t miss it.
C”mon. Make it easy for Korecky to score.
And don’t kill him in the ensuing mob. Korecky…touch home and RUN
Wow…Surprised he took that one
Stood there like a house by the side of the road
Cmon Cuddaya!
Mornie has at least one baseball card in catchers gear - year 2001 maybe??
“Next one happens in 2027. Don’t miss it”
I’ll see if I can pencil it in.
“Next one happens in 2027. Don’t miss it.”
I wasn’t paying attention. Forget it.
But it’s a minor league card. I’ll keep digging.
This on the other hand is a big league card:
Write in Korecky for All Star team. any position is fine.
Way to ruin Korecky’s story book night. It’s all on Gardy (that’s for you T).
Thanks T - Ebay is where I saw it…
Thanks,T! Those are awesome!
i don’t care how this game turns out or what anyone says…it’s absolutely irresponsible managing to have a pitcher bat in an AL game…
and why? so we could have .160 hitting Mike Redmond (who also is the second catcher) bat for Adam Everett.
That’s absolutely, 100 percent dumb.
Just as dumb as giving a singles hitter the green light on 3-0 (Mauer in first inning)
If Garza did it last year, I guess the next one happens in 2009. It’s becoming commonplace.
New Poll:
Who’s more clutch?
a) Cuddy
b) Lambchops
Should’ve put the squeeze on with Mauer. How foolish!
Twins don’t even wanna score for a pitcher when he is the damn winning run.
Craig, Garza took two or three ABs against Chicago, but didn’t get a hit.
T - That one is 2001 also…
c)Korecky
Jason, I agree on the Redmond PH. Everett was leading off the inning…might as well let him go do whatever with his AB vs. Redmond.
i thought of korecky as c) after i hit submit … lol
Bass all alone in the dugout. Livan should go down there and hang out.
Winning run or not, what a night for Korecky. In a game where none of the bullpen (or the starter) wanted to take care of things, he comes in and does everything you could ask of him
“Craig, Garza took two or three ABs against Chicago, but didn’t get a hit.”
Okay. All cleared up. Now I got it.
Has Korecky earned a shot at the 7th or 8th inning? cant be ANY worse than Crain or Rincon
Sheesh. And we went 8 days without seeing Bobby on the mound before yesterday. Is there no one that could tell Gardy that Bobby knows how to pitch?
3rd time with the “bathroom caulk” commercial - Geez!!
Can a Twins please put one over the fence already.
I don’t care who. Livan…go nuts for all I care.
Well Gardy does love Caulk!
dan - LOL!
WOW never thought id see THIS, Lamb IBB???
Hit a homer Howie
Livan on deck?
This could be the highlight of the season coming up here.
Why were the OF so shallow??
So Howie Clark knocks in Carlos Gomez to win it for Bobby Korecky.
And none of those three were in the game to begin with.
Go figure.
I have no idea dan. Was it one of those “It’s Clark…play up!”
So will Gardy have the pair to use Korecky more and give Clark some credit for that?
I wanted to see Livan do that.
That was anti-climatic.
But we’ll sure take the win!
Now that i think about it, it’s better if Clark does it.
If Livan takes the plate, does he become the pitcher of record? Or is he the PH until he actually takes the mound?
!!!!
On his game winning hit, Clark rounded first and second before finally being mobbed by his team on the way to 3rd.
Why does Howie need all that shaving cream. He ain’t got a hair on his head!
You know, with that shaving cream beard he kind alook like Radke now.
T,
How many guys were on base when Howie got that hit? Am I missing something here? Were there two guys on or three?
well i love the win of course but Gardy has to be embarrassed by this one….but in the end, it was an even more foolish move by Ron Washington in walking Mike Lamb.
I don’t know what’s crazier…Bobby Korecky batting in this game or Mike Lamb being intentionally walked…both managers were asleep at the wheel on those moves…
Gardy and the dysfunctional offense that is the Minnesota Twins gets a reprieve for one night.
Don’t blame this one on Morneau…a rare off night for him, but guess what, we better get used to it if they continue to offer him no protection in Michelle Cuddyer…I will take credit for calling his offseason payday as a prelude of bad things to come.
Whew…we won…
Craig, Gomez on 2nd and Lamb at 1st.
There were two out as well I believe.
Jason, can anybody also figure out why the OF was playing so shallow? They’re saying it was to cutoff Gomez…
2, GoGo on 2nd, and Lamb on 1st.
Cuddyer was a SS as a draft pick. I have a PSA 10 Bowman Chrome card on my desk here, and I have a PSA 9 Morneau Bowman Chrome Gold Morneau in full catcher’s gear. On the back of the card it’s funny, it talks about him being the best Canadian hitting prosepct since Larry Walker, but with a lot more power.
Cuddy also pitched a perfect game as a high schooler where he struck out all 21 hitters he faced.
1 out
And to wrap up my feelinsg on tonight’s game.
For all the stuff the Twins did to give games away in the past week, it was nice to finally have one given back.
No kidding T…and let’s face it, if Lamb makes the second out like we all know he would have…the D is playing at normal depth with 2 away…
Nice to see Bobby Korecky have a huge night in the Bigs.
“Cuddy also pitched a perfect game as a high schooler where he struck out all 21 hitters he faced.”
???
Wowza.
I assume the outfield was playing shallow because a hit that bounces to an outfielder automatically scores Gomez, where as if they’re playing deep a fly to the warning track might score him as well if they use a cutoff.
Well, I’m exhausted tonight. And I’m driving the carpool this week so I don’t get to the extra sleep.
G’night all. Let’s hope tomorrow’s game can be a more normal win.
Okay, never mind. I thought for some reason, Gomez was on third. Washington made the right move, if Gomez was on second.
If Gomez would have been on third, Washington would have walked Clark, also. That’s what I was confused about.
There was one out, when Howie got the hit.
Didn’t Lamb have a walk off’er last week?
But I’m with you, Jason.
Give the game ball to Bobby Korecky! First major league hit, first major league win, and a 34 year old journeyman scrub gets the game winning double. This is why baseball is the greatest sport in the world. Any play, any day you can be the hero or the goat. There are very few times in the NBA where they have to deplete the lineup and the 12th guy can win a game, and in the NFL… how many times is that 3rd string offensive lineman, or 3rd string QB going to be the guy to save the day? Only in baseball is everyone inmportant 1-25… even the guy that replaces Nick Punto as the least important player on the planet gets to be a hero!
They wanted to set up the DP, since they didn’t respect Clark’s bat, and if they get Clark, then the pitcher is up. It was a good strategy despite Lambs avg.
I love caulk, it’s great for plugging holes, I know all about that
One thing about Howie, you know the guy won’t complain about lack of playing time.
I think he can be a handy bench player. He’s capable of drawing a walk, and he puts the bat on the ball, rarely striking out.
I would have brought cuddy in to pitch in the 16th
“They wanted to set up the DP, since they didn’t respect Clark’s bat, and if they get Clark, then the pitcher is up. It was a good strategy despite Lambs avg.”
Correct.
Not swingin a bat for 2 weeks sure did throw off my rhythm
Lamb — .393 RISP. Walking him sets up the potential inning-ending DP with career journeyman Howie Clark at the plate. And even if he pitches to and retires Lamb, they’re still playing shallow with two outs to keep Gomez from scoring on a single.
In other words, lay off Ron Washington. Classic second-guess.
I was lookin for a fastball to turn on and there it was. Ole!!
We score 7 runs and our 4-5 hitters Morneau and Cuddyer go 0 for 10. Great job by Korecky on the mound and getting that base hit. If I’m him, I hope I never get another big league at bat and finish my career at 1,000.
Boof would have won the game, had he not made a god awful throw on that double play ball in the 7th. How much longer will Rincon last? Howie Clark!
Who could have predicted that a week ago. Gotta love baseball.
“can anybody also figure out why the OF was playing so shallow?”
I think it had something to do with the winning run (Gomez, the blur) being on 2nd base where a single will certainly score him UNLESS it is fielded within 200 ft. of home plate.
With the Twins’ luck baserunning the past few series, I wasn’t sure how trigger happy they’d be on a single to try and score Gomez.
Quite frankly, I’m glad the inning went the way it did. There could’ve been some VERY ugly moments at home plate on a single by Lamb.
Gomez gets to essentially trot into home, no worried about a play and sliding and collisions.
Also, like I said last night…did anybody see the replay of Clark after he got his hit. He took off for first, then when he saw it get over the CFer’s head he actually dropped his head and started running full out.
I think he forgot what inning it was. Because he rounded second and was halfway to third when somebody finally caught up to him for the celebration.
Cuddyer should not be in the lineup at all due to the fact that he is only hitting .226 and no home runs. Denard Span should be the Twins Right Fielder because he hits for a much higher average than Cuddyer, is just as good of a fielder, and has tremendous base stealing ability. Cuddyer, who should not have been signed to a long term contract, should probably be sent to Rochester. He has the mentality of a little league player and is vastly over-rated as an outfielder.
