Has Livan lost his magic touch?
Posted on June 13th, 2008 – 12:18 AMBy Joe Christensen
CLEVELAND — Livan Hernandez voiced strong feelings after Thursday’s 12-2 loss to Cleveland. He apologized to the Twins’ organization for his recent performance and then vented about some comments he heard on the Cleveland telecast.
I tried summarizing this emotion in the game story. Some more perspective:
The key stat: After going 6-1 in his first nine starts for the Twins, Livan Hernandez is 0-3 with a 9.37 ERA in his past six starts.
Another eye opener: In those six starts, he has allowed 64 hits in 31 2/3 innings. That’s more than two hits per inning
Some historical context: He continued his threat to become the first pitcher to yield 300 hits in a season since Phil Niekro allowed 311 in 1979.
Hernandez has allowed 136 hits in 15 starts. At this pace — 9.1 hits per outing — Hernandez would allow 308 hits if he reaches his career average of 34 starts.
The quote: Manager Ron Gardenhire said, “Everything’s waist-up, and he can’t pitch like that. He’s not an overpowering guy.”
The telling example: Gardenhire mentioned the Shin-Soo Choo’s three-run homer in the third inning. It came with runners at second and third.
“I think he had first base open and Choo up, and you know, it’s a perfect opportunity for a veteran to make a guy chase,” Gardenhire said. “And he hangs a curve ball or a slider or whatever it was, and it goes out of the ballpark.
“Things like that — that’s not him. He knows how to pitch, and it’s just not working out for him right now.”
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197 Responses to "Has Livan lost his magic touch?"
I can’t imagine anyone is really all that surprised that Livan is pitching this horribly though, are they? This is much more the real Livan than the guy that started 6-1.
We all should just be happy his crappy stuff lasted this long. The guy’s posted awful ERA’s, and peripheral numbers the past few seasons in the NL without a DH, what did we expect?
This “knows how to pitch” crap isn’t going to fly either. He may know how to pitch, ala Slowey, but at least Kevin has stuff to match his “know how.” Livan’s done because his stuff stinks, in addition to his location missing.
SLG OBA AVG
.541 .377 .357 - Hernandez
.443 .350 .311 - Blackburn
.410 .287 .254 - Baker
.538 .306 .275 - Slowey
.516 .364 .317 - Perkins
.396 .331 .254 - Garza
.396 .295 .244 - Santana
Stats are opposing batters.
Tough to deal away the “Ace” and the “Future Ace” and expect to compete.
Scott Baker has done a great job in limited action.
Livan is getting hammered now that AL batters have had a look at him, just like everybody (except Billy Smith it seems) expected. The Twins will continue to give away every fifth game until Liriano is ready, at which point Livan will be dealt for an A ball pitcher in his teens.
I still don’t buy Garza as an “ace” or “future ace.” Maybe he could go by the name “Ace Garza” when his attitude continues to get him into trouble and he ends up making a living fighting Kimbo Slice in MMA.
Garza does have ACE calibur stuff, just doesn’t have much MLB time in yet.
Livan should be released soon, the Twins have young guys that could be getting time in the rotation instead. I’m sure they can at least match the horrid outtings. Plus it is becomming more and more obvious that the Twins are not going to go anywere this year now that other teams are starting to hit stride. So the pipe dream is all but gone Billy Boy
I also think of an ace as having the correct mental makeup.
An ace is a guy who can carry a team on his back, who can get a win to stop a team’s slump and who can be relied on take the mound in key games in high pressure situations (playoffs) and be counted on to come away with a win. No way Garza is there yet and you have to wonder whether he is wired right mentally to handle the pressure.
Livan hasn’t lost his magic touch, because he never had a magic touch. Just like Ortiz last year, he got off to a hot start against a league that hasn’t seen him much before, at a time of year when a lot of hitters were struggling. Now that teams have had a good look at him and offenses are producing better, he’s getting rocked.
Anyone in the Twins organization who is surprised by this course of events should be fired. Period.
so what’s everyone’s opinion on Billy Smith’s moves:
1)resigning Rincon for 2.4M
2)signing Livian H. for 5.5M
this is a Twin’s tradition signing veteran players that suck in hopes that they can “patch things up” is the thought that these veterans are used to give the young players time? did Billy Smith and the rest of the organization really think Livian would be the “ace” this guy has posted a ERA of almost 5.00 the past 2 years in the weak hitting NL!!! what evidence was there he would suddenly pitch better in the DH AL ??
obviously the Twins should have resigned Silva for $12M. He would have been much better than Livan.
how about not wasting the money and just start the young pitchers? Twins are rebuilding for the next 2 years anyway.. I’ll never understand the team’s direction to sign vets will no productive value, that noone wants(otherwise they would cost too much for the cheap Twins to get them) maybe if Terry Ryan/Billy Smith had saved the money for a few years and then told Pohlad - “can we spend a little more this year and actually sign a GOOD free agent or be able to draft players in their rightful slot position instead of players taken 3 - 4 rounds early so we can sign them cheap”… wait this is Pohlad… nevermind
This is going to be an ugly second half this year. Just wait till our bullpen gets exhausted during the second half of the season whheeeeew stinky cheese
We should get Bert out there and make it to 300 wins to go to the HOF. He may be younger then Livan
The numbers may have been significantly better for Garza if he would be playing on the larger playing field in Minnesota VS Tampa Bay. One can see what the Metrodome has done to Delmon Young. The big LF area plus the tall baggie in RF has, predictably, neutered Young’s HR power. Tough to pitch in Tampa Bay, that’s a hitters ballpark.
Craig what do you think Youngs numbers would look like if he played in Texas.
with Young’s current hitting approach (inside out RF bleeders) he would have a hard time hitting HRs in a little league park with a metal bat
I love when Dick asks Bert idiotic questions regarding the HOF and if a player will be inducted with far less in the way of stats in comparison to Berts. It is the sound of dead air
Bert got screwed in the HOF voting and Dick Allen did to. If either one of them played for the Yanks or Red Sox they would already be in.
Livan Livan Livan i think i’m the only one who still had faith in him but my faith is growing thin. At least we got to see a feww “inside pitches” in last nights game. I was hoping Gardy would come out of the dugout and go WWE on Wedge last night they need something to get this team fired up.
As Seth said…
Why is Livan’s lack of success surprising to people?
He’s been nothing more than a spitting image of Ramon Ortiz last season.
Are we finally done signing Free Agents for their “veteran presence” and mentoring skills?
If I ever, again, read that as a motivation for signing a fading Free Agent, I am going to be hospitalized with the dry heaves.
Billy Smith’s deals have to be called into question.
The Twins have seen a comedy of errors and mistakes in LF and CF this year. Young and Gomez have not displayed much as far as baseball instincts go. They are 22 year olds who often play like 17 year olds. Granted there is some raw talent there, but a knack for the game is something that rarely can be taught.
Monroe, Lamb, Everett, Hernandez: Four of the worst free agent signings ever. To be fair, Everett getting hurt was impossible to foresee. Those other three guys are predictably awful. What’s with that 2 year deal to Mike Lamb? What a head scratcher.
No other team is going to take the contracts of any four of these. Maybe someone will take Hernandez, Everett or Monroe, late in the year (September), when they only have a month left on their contract, but NOBODY will take Lamb. No team will want to pay that guy 3.1 mil next year. That’s what is left on his contract.
Smith’s last questionable deal is the signing to a long term deal of Michael Cuddyer. Cuddyer is now absolutely untradable, carrying that bloated, preposterous contract.
Without Morneau behind him, and Mauer in front of him, Cuddyer is mediocre at best. His marginal hitting has made his ineptness in the field, glaring this season. He has always been a bad fielder, this year it is just, much more obvious.
As far as the other players in the Santana and Garza deals, Harris will probably be released or traded, as soon as Punto, Everett and Tolbert heal up. Pridie is definitely not a major league ballplayer, and Humber and Mulvey don’t appear to be either. Guerra is the only real prospect, but he’s a long, long way from the majors.
D- for Bill Smith.
Twins will never rid their cloak of “signing Free Agents for their “veteran presence” and mentoring skills”
it’s the cheap Pohlad way…
Check out this thread to view some pathetic statistics:
http://www.battleyourtailoff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13127
I thought Rincon’s numbers the last month were shockingly bad. Livan’s are not much better. Here’s how opponents are faring against him:
Last seven days:
.513/.512/.846/1.358
Last 14 days:
.513/.512/.846/1.358
Last 28 days:
.438/.445/.630/1.075
What’s the over/under on DFAing him and calling up Liriano? I give him two more starts like last night’s.
livan will rebound soon and the twins will get something for him in july august trade some team in contention will think he can help it has been the plan all along with him
jimmy,
Young would hit .290 with 20 HR in Texas. He will hit .280 with 8 Hr in Minnesota this year. It has nothing to do with Vavra or the Twins hitting approach. Young is swinging exactly the same as he did in Tampa Bay.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/mlb
Think of a fat version of Dennis “Oil Can” Boyd
As a hitter Young reminds me of Gene Larkin. Both are/were big powerful guys, with warning track power. A dinky, miniature playing field like in Texas would turn some of those pop fly balls into HR.
Craig does Young remind you of Sam Horn
Big difference is Larkin was a way more patient hitter than the undisciplined, Young.
it’s the cheap Pohlad way…
Well, I wouldn’t blame it on Pohlad. And I wouldn’t call it cheap. It’s just not prudent. Free agency is slim pickings these days. And it’s high risk. The only free agent pitcher who is doing much better is Kyle Lohse.
The Twins would be better off just trusting their development system and letting the kids play. That would be cheaper, true. But it can’t be any worse. And there’s a good chance it would be better. In the past four years, they have signed the following collection of hose heads:
Castro
Bastista
Ortiz
Ponson
White
Cirillo
Lamb
Everett
Hernandez
Only Ortiz paid off because they were able to get Macri for him. Castro yielded Roberts, who’s hurt and 10th on the depth chart. White actually played out his contract to the detriment of the team. Ponson, Cirilo and Batista yielded nothing. That’s $11 million in sunk cost for a third base prospect.
The three they signed this year cost $10 million and won’t likely return much in trade. In the process, they’re dragging the team out of contention.
I think that it is prudent to look at the following facts regarding Young:
a. He is 22
b. He is hitting .265/.314/.355 while Cuddyer is hitting .244/.300/.353. Currently the most under performing outfielder is Cuddyer not Young
c. at 22 years old, Morneau finished the season hitting .226/.287/.377
No, jimmy, Young does not remind me of Sam Horn. Sam missed the ball. Delmon can put the bat on it.
cmath,
Don’t forget about Ruben Sierra, Brett Boone and Phil Nevin.
Redmond and Reyes have been the only veteran pickups who have worked out. At least that I can think of.
oh contrary! Pohlad is to blame.. he will not give the organization money to draft real players at the proper positions - hence Twins have a collection of minor league position players that suck - also why the team has to sign free agents from time to time to patch holes - but again not enough money to get a quality free agent(if there is such a thing)
Craig what about Castillo and Stewart not bad pick ups there.
Re: “quality free agents”.
Even in retrospect, who where the “quality free agents” at SS and 3B available last off season that the Twins failed to sign?
thrylos they failed to sign that 3b free agent from NY i think he might have been a good addition.
Craig,
I knew I forgot some guys. We actually sent the Cubs a prospect for Nevin. Doh! As good as the Twins are at scouting other team’s minor leagues for diamonds in the rough (Casilla, Gomez, Liriano, etc.) they give it all back on bad scouting of major league players. By the numbers, the players they signed looked OK, with a few exceptions. Scouting should have told them that the players were due to drop off a cliff in ability as their bodies began to fall apart. I mean, they signed Rondell White and Ruben Sierra in the same offseason. Just about everybody knew these guys were on the juice when they were good. How was that missed by Twins evaluators (in White’s case, twice)?
thrylos that’s why I used the term “quality free agents” they are few and far between.. drafting and stocking minors with QUALITY position players instead of bag O’ of pitching prospects is what has doomed the Twins - and like I continue to point out, unless Pohlad allows org. to spend the money needed to get the quality draftees.. we will continue to see the PUNTOs of the world.. did everyone forget Twins orginally drafted PUNTO year before Phils did but Punto did not sign with Twins… 
BC of ND,
yeap… he would. Any luck for any other team signing him? If you keep out the FA signed by their own teams here is the list:
SS:
David Eckstein
Chris Gomez
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Cesar Izturis
Neifi Perez
Jorge Velandia
3B:
Geoff Blum
Russell Branyan
Jeff Cirillo
Morgan Ensberg
Pedro Feliz
Andy Gonzalez
Corey Koskie
Mike Lamb
Dallas McPherson
Abraham Nunez
Chris Woodward
Slim pickings and nobody would have made so much of a difference…
Again, the real problem with this team is pitching, and that’s where the focus of improvement should be
.300 22 HR Age 20 Griffey Jr.
.358 36 HR Age 20 Alex Rodriguez
.320 22 HR Age 21 Cesar Cedeno
.340 27 HR Age 20 Al Kaline
This list goes on and on. Also, at these young ages, they threw to the right base, hit the cut-off man, ran the bases right and caught the ball if it was hit to them. With the exception of Griffey, they always made a strong effort. Delmon doesn’t do any of those things and he’s a lot older.
Yeah, right. Like the Twins ever had a chance at A-Rod. The Yankees signed him before the free agent period. The only other third baseman was Pedro Feliz. He would have been better than Lamb. But most people rated Lamb higher going into this season.
It’s a bit of a crap shoot, which is my point. At least with guys like Macri and Buscher, you know what you have and you can have a better idea of how to approach the season with them. How many times will the Twins need to adjust their plans in May and June because the free agents they signed failed?
BC of ND says:
June 13th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“Craig what about Castillo and Stewart not bad pick ups there.”
True!
Craig is Bert one day going to attack Dick for another “Is this player going to be in the HOF questions”?
You gotta love Shooter Hunt’s father.
Would you nickname YOUR son after a famous alcoholic?
I don’t agree with the complete bashing of Smith at this point. He has had less than 1 year to fix the mess he inherited.
The Garza/Young trade, while not my preference, is the kind of trade this team needs to make. It just hasn’t worked out. But, seriously, who thought Delmon would play like this?
The Santana trade - gogomez. I would have done the Yankees or Red Sox trades, if they were there, but gogomez could be a good player some day. It is his first full year in the majors. comparing him to the list that the new craig posted is ludicrous. Craig posted 4 of the best players ever. If the Twins got their everday CF and LF in these two deals, then Smith fixed two gaping holes in one year.
As for Livan, Lamb, Monroe (that was a trade, btw, meaning they gave something up and paid him the big money instead of signing him cheaper after the Cubs cut him), and Everett. Livan was signed to give Duensing, Blackburn and others more time in the minors. While they “can’t be worse” that doesn’t mean they should be in the majors. Blackburn appears to have shown he belongs, but I’m not sure everyone else does. Lamb was a good risk, except for the two years part. He wasn’t bad in Houston, and rolling the dice on him made sense, the two year part did not. Everret - if you want young pitchers, and your manager values D, then you sign a guy that has been one of the best at his position for the last few years. He’s hurt. It happens. Monroe - stupid. There are plenty of .240 hitters available for less money.
I’m not sure what you all expected Smith to do in a couple of months to fix a team that had no 3B, 2B, LF, CF in its system, let alone in the majors. You have to give the guy a couple of years to see what he can do.
If gogomez and Young are legit, then fixing 2/3 of your OF in one year is pretty good.
Oh, almost forgot the Cuddy signing. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. he’s league average when he’s good, so don’t pay him that much. But, if you don’t pay him and let him go, you are cheap….
Gardy has always had a bad case of the ‘noids about playing the youngsters.
A washed up veteran always has a better chance with Gardy, than a young player.
If it wasn’t for all the injuries, Casilla would have never gotten a chance. He would have been 29 and still in AAA.
I agree with cmath, play the young
guys.
Bill Smith needs to just say no to Gardy and quit bringing in the old wash outs. Every off-season they hall in some more. Gardy loves and respects these guys, but can’t stand the kids.
If Delmon’ brother was never in the pro’s would we think that highly of him. I personally think he is overated. He is riding Dmitri’s coat tails.
jimmy Delmon Young = Marcus Giles = Dom Dimaggio
BC you forgot Josh Barfield and chris gwynn
BC,
No,
Delmon Young = Greg Maddux
Dmitri Young = Mike Maddux
Blah, blah, blah, Pohlad’s cheap. Blah, blah, blah, Livan stinks. Blah, blah, it must be Nick Punto’s fault, blah!
iJP,
Are you saying this blog is the same old sh-t?
lol sorry sane i forgot that Delmon was the good son.
jimmy who was josh barfields brother jesse?
iJP what’s your answer as to why the Twins have not contended since 1992 for a World Series?
Too bad the Twins didn’t start Tolbert, Casilla and Macri in the INF at the beginning of the year. Those three aren’t going to be superstars, but they are all athletic, and fun to watch.
Gardy would NEVER, absolutely never, start 3 rookies in the infield at the same time. Those guys would rot forever in AAA, before that would happen.
Veterans, no matter how crummy, will always be Gardy’s choice.
iJP Can the Twins players all grow moustaches like Jason Giambi.
Also Ozzie Canseco and Jose and Jason Giambi and Jeremy Giambi
BC it is a father son thing with the Barfields
FIRE VAVRA,
I guess it depends on your idea of what “contend” means? IMO, if you make the playoffs you are contending. ALCS in 2002. 2nd best record in the AL in 2006. Until this road trip, the Twins had scored the third most runs in the AL. Is Detroit contending this year? They did all the things this offseason that you seem to crave.
jimmy who was the good son Brett or Aaron Boone?
Farewell all. I shan’t post here again.
To whoever said that Delmon Young’s power has been sapped by the Metrodome:
I would be excited if he’d found even the warning track to either field. Has it happened yet?
Also, his power numbers haven’t quite been off the charts in away games.
I’m actually not all that down on Delmon and Gomez, I just think they came too expensive.
The Gomez deal isn’t so bad, because once Pohlads wouldn’t put up the money to keep Johan, Smith had few options. He decided to get a player rather than take the 2 draft picks. That’s fine, though the 2 picks might have been better.
The Garza deal was pure crap, but it’s over with. I shouldn’t be hating Delmon, just because he was part of a stupid, lopsided trade.
BC I think Brett was better and Bob the dad I liked the best especially when he was with the Angels
BC here is a link to all the brother combinations in Baseball
Hey does anyone know if Gomez has extremly tiny hands or something? I think he’s dropped the ball taking it out of his glove like five times this year.
“Farewell all. I shan’t post here again.”
iJP,
Please don’t leave.
This blog is short of commenters who can use the word “shan’t” in a sentence.
iJP says:
June 13th, 2008 at 11:05 am
“Farewell all. I shan’t post here again.”
Well, if that’s the case, Joe might as well shut down the blog, right now.
BC of ND says:
June 13th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Hey does anyone know if Gomez has extremly tiny hands or something? I think he’s dropped the ball taking it out of his glove like five times this year
Dy is the same way. Also does Dy have any foot speed while in the outfield cause everything goes right over his head. I know he steals bases but why does everything go past him. We should see if we can get Steve Yeager as our next coach
sane can we get Steve Garvey or Pedro Guerrero as our next coach
The best Boone’s were Grandfather Ray, who played SS in the AL in the 50’s and Daniel who was from Kentucky.
“This blog is short of commenters who can use the word ’shan’t’ in a sentence.”
I don’t think there are any who can. This is awful. I can’t believe he left.
I shant take it anymore. How bout that. I will try to make it up to everyone but I don’t know if I can replace the original but I will certainly try
Craig I walked outside and it was so windy I looked like Baker at his release point
I guess this blog will have to go on without iJP and with a diminished IQ.
Is a shant like a shart?
hmm…
“Also does Dy have any foot speed while in the outfield cause everything goes right over his head.”
Not being able to go back on the ball, prevents errors. If you get a glove on it, you could be charged with an error.
The other thing Delmon does well is, instead of diving for the ball, he slides into like it was a base, feet first. This also prevents errors. If the ball bounces off his glove, it could be an error.
Fire who should replace Gardy my vote would be Steve Yeager Steve Garvey or Mickey Hatcher
is iJP and sane the same rube??
Fire if they got Tony Gwynn I would get season tickets
Fire NO sane is very knowledgeable
jimmy,
If your face blows off your skull in the wind, then what are you going to do?
What if it lands on a LaPanta squirrel that’s darting across the road?
Think about it.
how bout Gary “G-MAN” ??
I can rebuild a new face out of squirrel skin remains from the rugs I have been mass producing. If it lands on LaPanta’s squirrel while it is darting accross the road I would go and collect it and look like Steve Garvey forever thus making me feel like the man in the iron mask
sane is what sane is a very sane and logical voice of reason. He can be funny once in awhile but not as funny as jimmy.
I also thought about Al Newman - except he left on bad terms. he wanted to hold players accountable for their level of play and improvement or lack thereof
Right now the Garza/Bartlett/Morlan for Young/Harris/Pridie deal looks bad. But it’s too early to tell who will win that one. Garza could develop that nerve problem again. Bartlett is old for his level of experience. Morlan is not the prospect everyone thought he was. But Young, Harris, and especially Pridie need to pick it up before we can say it’s at all good for the Twins.
Pridie is hitting like he did two years ago, which is really bad (.222/.263/.341 with 68 Ks in 261 ABs). He’s about to get passed by Martin on the depth chart, leaving him out of consideration for even a bench job in the majors.
he wanted to hold players accountable for their level of play and improvement or lack thereof
I don’t know the true story, but I suspect it centered on fundamentals. When Gardy’s Mini Me is the most fundamentally unsound player ever to don a Twins uniform, it’s tough to be a coach under him.
cmathewson I just don’t like it when people make assumptions about getting a player because a sibbling or the father was good. Then they have to use the word potential to as a loophole everytime they are reffered to. I believe each person is different. Look in golf at Jack Nicklaus and his son.
“sane is a very sane and logical voice of reason.”
We don’t need people around, who are going to behave like that.
so iJP should be accepted with open arms!!! AHYEAH!!!!!!1
Who looks more like the Minnesota Golden Gopher Coomer or Cuddy?
what are the odds Gardy benches Macri after his first major league HR last night?
Craig should I get a dew like Don Sutton
Cuddy could be the face of the gophers which is interesting because he swings at pitches only a gopher could hit.
Oh, c’mon Craig, who expected Young to be a Griffey/A-Rod type player. Why not throw Ty Cobb and Mickey Mantle’s stats in there, too? I think the Morneau comparison above is a bit more realistic. Not that I expect Mornewau numbers either, but I’d say it’s still too early to say Delmon is a total bust. Then again, under Vavra’s tutelage, I really don’t expect much.
Hi! How are you. Nice to meet you:
Upon hearing criticisms by Royals announcer Lefevre, of his antics on the field, Milton Bradley became irate, ran out of the clubhouse, and tore up three flights of stairs, to get at Lefevre. He got within 20 ft of Lefevre before being intercepted by Rangers GM, Jon Daniels. Milton said he was going to “introduce himself” to Lefevre.
funny last night Livian got mad at Cleveland Indian’s broadcast crew for calling him what he is - a terrible pitcher.. modern Prima Donna MLB players have paper thin skin..
The Cleveland announcers are just jealous of Livan. Rightfully so because the Marlins beat em down. I will say one thing he might be a hack but during that World series run he sure wasn’t. He was better then the Cleveland players so what does that say if you are worse then a hack
Gus,
When the trade was made people were saying Young was going to be hitting .300 with 30 plus HR. One guy who called me an “idiot” when I suggested Delmon would hit 8-9 HR playing in the Metrodome, said Delmon was going to hit 38. Man, half the folks on the Strib blog made him sound better than Griffey or A-Rod. There was no telling how great he could be. Some said he was Hank Aaron-like. he’d hit 40 plus and .320.
I’m just suggesting that the excuse that he’ “only 22 years old” doesn’t hold much water. There have been plenty of players who have played a lot better than him, at a younger age. I mentioned Cesar Cedeno also. I could find other Cedeno level players who played better than Delmon at a younger age.
Delmon is okay, he’s just not a superstar, and never will be. He’s mediocre, like many players.
Lefevre was spot on with his take on Milton “game board” Bradley.. “He’s the only person in baseball I know that does that type of stuff.”
jimmie, I was referring to Punto. If he’s related to Gardy, I wasn’t aware of it. Thought, it would explain a lot.
Prediction: Hernandez replaced in rotation by Liriano after All Star break.
Craig,
“sane is a very sane and logical voice of reason.”
“We don’t need people around, who are going to behave like that.”
I am willing to convert.
From now on, I am “born again” INSANE.
FIRE,
“is iJP and sane the same rube??”
No, we are different rubes.
sane just repeat whatever T and GENO say about the Twins and you will fit right in(sane)
Does anyone know if the Twins are scouting Freddy Garcia?
sane try this one I am T and Geno and you are wrong and management is not cheap and Young is only 22. Italics Italics Italics you are wrong and a scoreboard instead of a pitcher is a great idea.
Prediction: Hernandez replaced in rotation by Liriano after All Star break
Clarification: It will happen before July 1.
sane how is the weather out there in SoCal 30-40 mph winds out here. I was going to go to the golf driving range but I was affraid after I hit the ball it would blow back at me and clunk me in the head thus causing amnesia and making me think I was Bert. Hot Dog!!!!!
if Billy Smith can somehow get a bag of chips for Livian he will have saved face
jimmy if you suddenly thought you were Bert the first thing out of your mouth would have been &%^#&*%#*&@^%*(&#*(&*(”
How does one create the italics on the blog ?
If your not down with Gardy & co…Though Schlitz
I think there are control characters that do this for instance entering “:(” creates
Sorry …Make that Tough SCHLITZ
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<:o)
“How does one create the italics on the blog ?”
I’m not sure jimmy not too computer savvy here but I’ll let you know when I figure it out.
this is how you do it in html
like this:
put [I] in front and [/I] after what you want in italics…
you have to substitute “” for “]” to work…
no like this jimmy
[|]No the scoreboard is a great idea[/|]
“YES!”
[|]”No the scoreboard is a great idea”[/|]
We must practice this for T
[|]”No the scoreboard is a great idea”[/|]”
“”No the scoreboard is a great idea”"
lower case i jimmy
I am not a great HTML mind my 1st computer language was basic !!
Fire i wish i could write a VB program that would just auto post the same comments over and over again oh wait i do that anyways.
[i] like this BC[/i]
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try real programming do it in COBAL!!! yes it’s a dead language…
T would be proud
BC you don’t work for Blue Cross up in ND do you??
Daaaahhhh! Any legitimate baseball fans knew from the time the Twins obtained Hernandez as an innings eater that he would not help the team that much. The Twins will be fortunate if he ends the season (if he makes it to the end of the season) with as many wins as losses. Any good baseball fan knew that getting Hernandez meant very little to the team’s fortunes. The Twins organization habitually obtains older pitchers with experience who are really not going to bolster the team’s winning percentage–only buy time and create a temporary novelty for the witless fan.
BC you are not in ND right now are you
Uh oh new toys to tinker with BC
Gardenhire and his coaching staff have been a drag on the team’s efforts for the past two years. The over-rated Twins manager should spend as much time thinking about how to put the best possible lineup on the field as he does eating and drinking. Gardenhire habitually manipulates the starting pitching rotation and starting position player lineup to the point that the team never knows what to expect from day to day which detracts from their performance. Anderson has become a big minus as a pitching coach. The Twins have had outstanding prospects with great potential who have stumbled due to Anderson’s constant tinkering with their mechanics and attitudes. They go back and forth from starters to relievers and from the Majors to the Minors far too frequently. The Twins team really needs a change in manager and coaches. All the great talent in the world cannot help a team that is handicapped by poor coaching and management.
Fire your close i do work for a healthcare company thats all i’m saying.
jimmy you got it yeah
herb,
Bingo!
BC can you change colors or fonts in html on the blog possibly.
How about THIS?
BC I also work for a healthcare company..
If you use them, just make sure to close them out 
Oh great, jimmy bee with new toys! Next, I suppose we’ll be getting pictures of your taxidermy shop, dead squirrels and Lapanta?
BC I haven’t used the old HTML for a while lets view the source code and see what’s there.
Jimmy you might be able to but it would take awhile almost like coding a webpage manually.
This text is Courier blue
Carlos G today would be a great day for outdoor baseball if the wind was blowing out. It would actually be a lot of fun to see a 12 hr game
BC You would probably have to hide it in the body of an html document.
lol Carlos cracks me up
jimmy bee,
It would be a HR-filled day. Kind of like at the windy city last week. The problem with a 12 HR day is that 11 of them will be for the opponents. We’ll probably end up having to hang a big curtain in left field, ala RF-dome style.
Thats what i meant jimmy it would take you an hour for a two sentence post which is usually what T does.
Try this jimmy Delmon Young has nogood power.
It seems like some tags work and some dont
BC are you sure that’s why T takes so long to respond…..
the font tag doesn’t work i tried it and you couldn’t see the coding but it just didn’t take. experiment
Carlos G I hope to see LaPanta outside in wind like today
nice jimmy i was trying to do a srike through like Joe NO power Mauer.
Yes Fire T thinks he’s the blog moterator and comments on what everyone says like he’s got all the answers.
Sweet one BC
psss.. T is AKA Pohlad’s great grandson SID!!
fire I had a feeling about that
fun
The Twins are a horrible great team.
Okay, now that Livan had a minor meltdown in the clubhouse after his major meltdown in the field, does anyone think that he will be able to pitch effectively this year?
Will he have that “fire” he displayed after the game during the next one he pitches in? Does a pitcher really need that “fire” anyway?
Calm and collected is what they need to be, not flying off the handle as some percieved slight, however earned it may have been.
I honestly think that his next several starts are going to be good to GREAT, and then, he will deteriate again. But, if he does have 2 or 3 good starts, we can probably expect to see him moved, since I am also pretty sure that Franchise is coming back up after the Allstar break.
LaPanta’s hair is like squirrel silk.
What about a hyperlink
LOL BC .. nice!!
Click on the hyperlink
cue dream sequence…. “Livian and Rincon, Lamb,PUNTO, Everett for .. Matt Holliday or Garrett Atikins
Fire i’m going to use the strikeout everytime i feel like ripping on a player. Bad news guys the last time Slowey faced the Brewers he gave up 3 HR’s we won but thats not good.
cue dream sequence…. “Livian and Rincon, Lamb,PUNTO, Everett for .. Matt Holliday or Garrett Atikins
I can only dream about the day this would happen. Would the salaries add up to around the same.
didn’t Brewers take 2 out of 3 from Twins already..
BC the Brewers have a ton of power in that lineup. Does anyone know if Bill Hall is playing tonight and if so we can take a better look at him this weekend and maybe a possibility. Maybe just another Craig Monroe type hitter that can’t field from what I have heard.
Twins total is 16.1M !! Holliday is 9.5M this is for 2008 season only Holliday’s salary goes to 13.5M next year hence why possible Rockies need to unload him
Fire it’s the first series with them this year. Jimmy can we get you to go to the brewers series and get into a fight with LaPanta trying to steal his rug so we can submit the picture to the strib.
I like the idea of the strike tag
just had a brainstorm when i was thinking of the cousins (albeit lesser cousins … haha) across the border: let the fans of MN buy the Twins just like the Packers are owned by their fans!! then everytime we need a good player, we all just chip in $20!!!! is this not brilliant???!!! it would be way better than fantasy baseball….
Well I asked Jerry Crasnick of espn in a chat if we could get anything for Livan and his response was-
“Not unless they want to pick up most of what’s left of that $5 million salary. Livan tricked ‘em for the first 3-4 starts, but he’s allowed 44 hits in his last 21 innings. I hate to say it, but the guy is cooked.”
right BC Rockies took 2 of 3 from the boys earlier this year
BC I would love to go to the series and offer a better rug selection for LaPanta. I would love hair like LaPanta’s for myself
Livan isn’t a mystery to the better lineups in the AL anymore
Have a great day Fire and BC I am off to the links before the game.
“let the fans of MN buy the Twins just like the Packers are owned by their fans”
Then you will REALLY have a CHEAP OWNER!!
You think the people of Minnesota were cheap on the stadium? Just think when the subject of a long-term contract for Go-Go comes up. Will we need a 2/3 majority of the legislature to override Governor No’s veto?
Picture the people of Minnesota debating whether or not to pay $126 million to hold onto Johan.
NO CHANCE IN HELL!!!!!!!
People of Minnestota speaking:
“I’m not giving my money to some overpaid, under-achieving @#$%^&*!!!!”
People of Minnesota speaking:
“I’m not giving my money to some overpaid, under-achieving @#$%^&*!!!!”
LET CARL DO IT!!!!!
Doesn’t the act of “losing” something require that you possess it in the first place?
“Doesn’t the act of “losing” something require that you possess it in the first place?”
I think I can lose my brother’s car, without possessing it.
If losing means not knowing its location.
Or was that rhetorical?
My bad!
Or was that rhetorical?
My bad!
