Trade deadline update: Tigers, White Sox improve
Posted on July 31st, 2008 – 9:33 AMBy Joe Christensen
The Tigers and White Sox appear to be making themselves better as we approach today’s 3 p.m., non-waiver trade deadline. We’ll see if the Twins do anything to counter.
(*) Yes, the Tigers traded future Hall of Fame catcher Pudge Rodriguez to the Yankees for a reliever who has struggled mightily in the past. But the Tigers had really soured on Pudge and actually aren’t losing much with Brandon Inge ready to catch every day.
Meanwhile, Kyle Farnsworth has been pitching very well. He throws hard, and the Tigers were desperate for relief help.
The Detroit Free Press reports today that Todd Jones’ shoulder injury could send him to the DL. Joel Zumaya had arm trouble the other day, so the bullpen was a glaring need for the Tigers. They addressed it.
(*) Now, from Ken Rosenthal, there’s word the White Sox have a deal in place to land Ken Griffey, Jr., pending Griffey’s approval.
Should we really be surprised? Kenny Williams is one of the most daring GMs in the business.
The White Sox were supposed to be over-budget with their hands tied with few top prospects they could afford to deal. I have yet to see who they would give up in this deal, but they’re probably taking on salary, with Griffey still on the hook for $4 million this season.
(*) Finally, it sounds like the Astros gave up very little to get LaTroy Hawkins from the Yankees. Here’s Rotoworld’s take on second base prospect Matt Cusick: A 2007 10th-round pick, he was hitting .285/.356/.462 as a 22-year-old in low-A ball. He’s unlikely to ever see the majors.
And, here’s Astros GM Ed Wade in the Houston Chronicle: “I want to say (in) the deal he had in excess of a $1 million remaining on his contract. They ended up taking a significant portion of the money back.”
By that assessment, the Astros gave up virtually nothing to get Hawkins. The one most obvious move the Twins could make, and Houston beat them to it.
(*) La Velle’s story in today’s editions mentioned several trade discussions the Twins have had, and the conclusion is this: The biggest move they might make is adding lefthander Francisco Liriano to the major league roster.
Stay tuned…
118 Responses to "Trade deadline update: Tigers, White Sox improve"
Duensing and Benson for Beltre.
I going out on a big limb here….no deal for the Twins.
I wonder if NYY took a lesser deal to send Hawkins to the NL?
We will end this trade deadline like we have end the past 4 or 5. With no significant deal. We may end up with an aging slugger who is finally off the steroids, like normal.
I wish we would just spend the money and buy out some huge contract that some team doesn’t want.
I still think that Beltre has a 50-50 chance of getting traded.
I know this won’t be popular but I would give Barry Bonds agent a call and see what kind of shape he is in.
The Twins need a nice right handed bat, preferably at 3b, a speedy middle infielder, and an arm.
Even if they got 2 of 3, I would be content, knowing they would not be stars of course.
I think we all know the reality is, the twins will do nothing, except maybe acquire an aging “bargain.”
At least move Hernandez for some used jockstraps or something, to make room for Liriano.
Hawkins wasn’t the answer to the problem we had, but it kind of sucks that we can’t get a deal like the Astros got.
That Kenny Williams being Kenny Williams. He always seems to get a Trade in before the deadline. Same old same old on the Twins front, White Soxs make a deal and Twins will stand put. They just say they are working the phones. I think GM Bill Smith needs to make a a trade to make him self a good GM.
I don’t want to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. If we can’t shore up our infield without losing one of our good young pitchers, I want know part of it and would be satisfied with the status quo. Give Bass his walking papers and bring up Liriano. I still have some hope for Boof, for some reason.
we’re like the poor kid at the candy store…looking in through the glass while the kids that have money are buying things that they don’t even realize they want left and right…don’t know why I get my hopes up every year that this may be the one in which the Twinks surprise me and make that signature move and actually take a risk….
Do you think Liriano would have given up five runs in four innings to the WSox? Apparently Gardenhire can’t figure the answer to that one out.
Why the heck would the Houston Astros add LaTroy Hawkins? Can they not read the standings?
Gardy’s “unblog your blog” comment might have been the funniest quote I’ve read this season.
Can’t fault Joe C. this time (he was only going off of what Casilla told him), but it was quite a shock to me when I got home and Dick and Bert were talking about Casilla catching and throwing in pre-game warm-ups and talking about the possiblity that he could be back in two weeks.
Plus, the Tigers won in incredible fashion last night, so that prediction isn’t quite out the window yet, either. Hold on tight, Joe C., you might get one right, yet!
wha…a bunch of near retirement retreads change unis…plz
Would the Twins take Micah Owings off the Diamondbacks? He has struggled as a starter, but seems pretty good in short relief.
Boof will be traded to Texas today and Livan will go to the pen for mop up duty. Liriano gets called up.
They want Beltre and Roberts but those teams are asking too much and we wisely skip it and make no further moves.
when you’re contending, you BUY to make yourself better NOW
when you’re not, you either stand pat or trade for future prospects that will make you better in the future, or put yourself in a position to BUY in the future when contending. The Twins are contending; they should be BUYERS. A Liriano move isn’t a BUY, it’s simply an internal move. Hey Smithy, get out there and get something done NOW or watch as the Whiteys and Tigers promptly hand us third in the division, thank you very little.
I don’t like the logic in the Twins FO that they’d lose too much in a deal for Beltre or Roberts.
Its a load of B.S. B.S. (Bill Smith, Bull Sh*T, in either order) that we’d lose too much for the NOW or the FUTURE. They wan’t pitchers, we’ve got a logjam of them that will prevent some from ever becoming regulars. Use that to your advantage and get a player who’ll help NOW.
Everyone else in a Pennant race is working hard to improve (Yanks-Rodriguez, Angels-Texeira, White Sox-Griffey) even when an outsider would probably think they don’t need anything (angels). Why shouldn’t we too? I know were not spending even close to what the payroll budget is, use it on someone like Beltre who improves the offense AND the Defense, and in turn by making the trade, also IMPROVES the rotation for a pennant push because Liriano gets called up.
This is not a hard decision for me…
Rays are asking about Dunn as a fallback to Bay if Bay goes to Boston. I wouldn’t expect them to consider Monroe unless they got desperate.
I guess I don’t get all the drama queens freaking out because the White Sox acquired Griffey. If they had traded for the Griffey of old, sure. But this guy isn’t what he used to be. At this point Kubel and Young and possibly even Cuddyer are better than him.
I think Griffey will make the team a little better, but not so much that the Twins can’t still beat them. Regardless, it hardly matters. The Twins have holes and need to fill them if they want to make the playoffs.
Griffey still a very above average hitter though. Pitchers still fear him. and personally I’d take him over Kubel and Cuddyer any day of the week at this point despite ages.
I agree with Average Joe.
How about Spand And Boof to Baltimore for Brian Roberts?
Livan to the Saints for the pig?
Considering the opinion of Hawkins around here, I don’t think the Twins will be accused of dropping the ball in that regard.
Griffey? Big name, but his numbers this year are below Young and Kubel. He’s got the HISTORY that seems to sometimes make the trade seem bigger, but it’s a huge gamble that the Twins didn’t need.
Their biggest need remains 3B, followed by the bullpen. They can call up guys to improve the bullpen provied they make moves and decisions that take care of Boof, Bass, etc.
I would say at this point though that Beltre would be better suited for 3rd AHEAD of Morneau, with Mauer sliding back into the #2 spot.
It’s risky, but the Twins do NOT have a guy who can hit 2nd in this org other than Mauer…and I doubt they could get a Roberts type MIF AND a 3B without first finding a way to clone guys.
The Twins problem right now is they’ve got some good assests, just not enough to address THREE holes (3B, 2B/#2, BP). All the teams they’ve been talking two want the same three or four guys.
1) Aquire RH power bat.
2) Insert RH power bat into #3 hole.
3) Move Mauer to #2 spot.
4) DFA Bass if there are no takers.
5) Call up Korecky.
6) Trade Bonser to the highest bidder while he still has value.
7) Call up Liriano.
If required to give up one of the four (NOT BAKER), live with Livan in the rotation hoping the new RH bat will be able to strengthen the chance of winning the other 4 games.
It’s definately higher risk than the Twins would probably have anticipated making in a rebuilding year. I’ve just got this nagging feeling that one injury to the pitching staff would pretty much end the season for the Twins if they did it.
But that’s the gamble that people apparently want. I can live with it, I just can’t imagine the Vocal Majority being able to stand it.
I’m so very torn right now. On one hand, this team has been a pleasant surprise (a la 2001 - supposed to be a year or two away - but in the hunt come July).
On the other hand, I don’t think an Adrian Beltre trade makes us THAT much better that, not only do we win the division, we can roll through the wild card round and play for a shot at the WS. Livan sucks too badly, our young rotation - while showing flashes of brilliance, also has its lumps (think Scott Baker circa 2006/2007 - he’s now rounding out into a staff Ace, Blackburn/Slowey/Perkins probably a year or two away from really solidifying themselves as #2/3 starters).
IF we could make a deal that doesn’t impact the big club now (AA and AAA prospects), I say go for it. If we have to deal any of our kids (Span, Perk, Slowey, etc), we’re better off.
Griffey? I heard that Pete Rose is available, too…
Griffey still a very above average hitter though. Pitchers still fear him. and personally I’d take him over Kubel and Cuddyer any day of the week at this point despite ages.
Do you want Kubel or Cuddyer playing centerfield for you? Because that’s pretty close to what Griffey is these days in the field.
(assuming that’s what the Sox plan on doing with him)
T,
I definitely think the Twins dropped the ball on Hawkins. He would have been a nice fit for the ‘pen, and Houston got him for next to nothing. I’m sure the Twins have some crappy minor league they could have sent over.
It’s lovely that although the Twins are some $26 million below what many projected to be their opening day payroll, the biggest move they might make at his year’s deadline is trading Boof for some 37-year-old 2B. Wow, that’s impact!
The Twins: great scouting, minor league development and organization; abysmal major league management.
I love these people that think Griffey is washed up but promote a trade for Beltre. That guy sucks. He’s nothing. Get over it.
Would it be nice to have a real 3B for a change? Absolutely. But that’s also the reason you don’t trade for Beltre. Get it? Forget his defense; he’s the next biggest offensive underachiever next to Ritchie Sexson.
“By that assessment, the Astros gave up virtually nothing to get Hawkins.”
Thanks for your inference, Joe C. But you should have put more meat on the bone and expanded your story and gone after Smith for his timidity.
“Thanks for your inference, Joe C. But you should have put more meat on the bone and expanded your story and gone after Smith for his timidity”
No one on these blogs wanted Hawkins anyway. Now we’ll cream Bill Smith for NOT trading for a guy we didn’t really want just because someone else got the guy for nothing.
IowaTwin,
I would have welcomed a deal for Hawkins, especially if he came cheap like he did for the Astros.
jama said — “I know this won’t be popular but I would give Barry Bonds agent a call and see what kind of shape he is in.”
Precisely, jama, that’s Bill Smith’s job…..to make calls with no intention of any results and then let the press and us sucker-fans know that he’s “actively” seeking a trade or signing.
“No one on these blogs wanted Hawkins anyway.”
I did.
There’s a place for a guy still throwing low to mid 90’s, with a history of success in the major leagues, in a bullpen featuring Brian Bass.
At virtually no cost, that’s a no brainer.
Manny apparently said he would play for the Marlins…interesting.
As far as Griffey not being much better than Kubel or Cuddyer…
Even if, statistically, Griffey was virtually equivalent to Kubel/Cuddyer… When Slowey is on the mound & Griffey steps into the box, I would wager his pulse shoots up a LITTLE bit higher than when Floyd is on the mound and Jason/Justin/whatshisname Kubel steps into the box.
Just sayin.
Who honestly cares what Hawkins took to get? The guy is basically at the end now, just another stopgap that people on here would be pointing at as another stupid pickup by BS in a month or so.
Nothing lost there, in my mind at least.
As far as Beltre, sorry guys, not happening. The talent it would take to land him would be to expensive, not the contract. This is not a case of Pohlad being cheap, this is a case of Seattle being greedy. No way we thow away one of our young starters when everybody is clammoring to throw Livan to the curb. Can’t do both. Either/or, not both.
Nico, what were you smoking yesterday? I loved your Humber/Mulvey comments, and that type of delusion makes me laugh. Some people just don’t get it. Anyway, yeah, lets let our MLB arms go because our 5+ era guys in the minors are virtual locks in the Majors anyway 
All this talk and speculation is fun. Too bad we are all wasting our time as nothing will happen.
Okay, I shouldn’t have said Hawkins was a unanimous no go, but he was basically a 75/25 split when it comes to the fan reaction.
Basically, Hawkins would’ve have been looked at as an improvement. Had he failed, it would’ve been a cheapskate move, had he succeeded it would’ve been luck.
If he succeeds in Houston, then blame will be dumped on Bill Smith for whatever reason.
It’s a traditional no-win.
I disagree with the comparison of Kubel to Griffey…
What you need to do is compare Griffey to Monroe, or Redmond. Because the bottom line is:
It is not in a direct comparison Kubel for Griffey. The upgrade is that Griffey is the 5th or 6th option for run production for the Sox and Kubel is our 2nd or 3rd. You get past Morneau Kubel and Maybe Young on a good night and you have to wait til you come back again in the order for any run production… We Need a bat!
Why not make Revere part of a trade? Where exactly are the Twins going to have room for him…even if a few years? Gomez appears to be a fix in this lineup for years. Same with Span and Young. Cuddyer and Kubel remain in the mix. Those are five outfielders right there. I find it hard to believe the Twins would be starting fewer than three of those guys even in a a few years from now.
trade joe mauer
AND NOW THE TWINS LINEUP THE REST OF THE SEASON…
1. Span
2. Punto (Casilla if he returns)
3. Mauer / Redmond
4. Morneau
5. Young / Kubel / Cuddyer
6. DH - Kubel / Monroe / Cuddyer
7. Buscher / Harris
8. Harris / Everett / Punto
9. Gomez
AND NOW YOUR PIPTCHING COMBINATIONS FOR EACH ROTATION:
Day 1: Baker / Reyes / Guerrier / Nathan (80% chance of Win)
Day 2: Blackburn / Crain / Guerrier / Nathan (65% chance of Win)
Day 3: Perkins / Bass / Breslow (40% chance of Win); ALTERNATIVE: Perkins / Crain / Reyes / Nathan - Win
Day 4: Slowey / Guerrier / Nathan (50% chance of Win); ALTERNATIVE: Slowey / Bonser / Bass (Loss)
Day 5: Hernandez / Bonser / Bass / Breslow (20% chance of Win); ALTERNATIVE: Hernandez / Nathan
Day 6 (September): Liriano / Guerrier / Nathan
“After a good development year for the young pitching and surprising play by Alexi Casilla and Denard Span, the small market Twins roll to a 3rd place finish 6 gamaes out of the 1st place White Sox and 1 game behind the surging Tigers. Whata great year. Your thoughts Bert?….”
So what if Hawkins might not have done anything for the Twins. The fact is that non-contending Houston gave up NOTHING for him. I’d risk giving up NOTHING for a guy who can throw 96-97 MPH. But apprently the Twins were too worried about trading someone like a 26 year old AA backup catcher.
Brad, that is exactly me push for Cuddy for third. The Twins have a glut of good outfielders, and a black hole at third. Seems the obvious move would be to take a solid corner outfielder and move him to third. Who on this team has that ability? Well, from past experience, I would say that Cuddy would get the nod. Not saying that he would be a gold glover, but I can say this much, Cuddy is a team player, and if it makes the team better, I would be willing to bet my last dollar that he would do his damnedest to make the position change work. BTW, there is no way that it happens this year.
Revere is going to make a GREAT trading chip in a year or so. Right now, he is too far down in the minors to garner enough talent for.
Geez… who knows if the Yankees were even taking our calls on Hawkins? We’re currently considered one of their primary competitors for the wildcard slot. You think they’re going to do us any favors by gifting us a hard-thrower? They can take Houston’s crap just as easy as our crap… and not have any chance of seeing Hawk during this year’s march. I know what door I’d pick if I were Cashman.
Brad, you do realize that the Yankees traded him outside the division don’t you?
Don’t you think that the asking price for the Twins would have been higher, considering that the Yankees are also fighting the Twins for the Wild Card right now. Why would they do anything to help out the Twins???? You can’t always look at a trade and say, dang, we could have had him for that? since the situations change from team to team, division to division. No way would the Twins have gotten Hawkins for so little, so don’t bother making the comparison, it simply isn’t valid.
Cuddy at third = Tony Batista like range. And not much more offense than Butcher has provided. Plus he looked lost there in 2006 and started hitting after moving from third. But at this point I guess why not try it again since the Twins already have too many outfielders. Doubt it would work, but its worth a very short try.
“Brad, you do realize that the Yankees traded him outside the division don’t you?”
Last time I checked the Twins weren’t in the AL East.
So what’s the over/under of Grif getting hurt playing centerfield in Chicago?
JT: Reason #2 I doubt Manny would’ve wound up anywhere in the American League.
Boston wouldn’t give up one of their best hitters to a team that they’re either chasing or would likely face in the postseason.
At least with the Manny in the NL you’ve got two chances for another team to knock off the Marlins before Boston would potentially face them.
The Manny thing isn’t really buying/selling. At least not for Boston. But traditionally you’re not going to see a buyer trade with another buyer within the same league.
Last time I checked the Twins weren’t in the AL East.</i.
He meant AL/NL and you know it.
Not just outside their division - outside their league. Even greater separation, especially since interleague is dead and gone for the year. But for the World Series, of course
The trades by the White Sox and Tigers just go to show how much they FEAR THE TWINS.
imagine that, the twins getting beat to the punch again….how shocking…us fans have been begging bill s to make a deal for so long, i am tired of thinking about it….if bill sits still, as i think he is going to, he can kiss my ass, and they might as well leave liriano in the minors, send gomez to the minors to learn, and say to hell with this 1.5 game challenge ahead of them. there is no point,and might as well trade nathan also and get some nball players that maybe in some year can compete…its depressing to be a twins fan, to see a team like this fight their guts out to get in position to win a division and have a front office just shit in their faces, and continue to ask the players to put out their best so the seats in the dome dont empty…..bill smith, youre no ken williams…thats for damn sure…its why the white sox are leading the division and we are just pretending now and will fall off significantly…..go ahead bill, just let all the clubs in front and behind us improve and let us slide on down the rail again…..kma bill smith
The Sox got Griffey from Danny Richar and Nick Masset. Not exactly a steap price.
Revere and Perk for Beltre.
1 Hour, 54 mins to go.
Give up talent to get more talent.
im not sure who pisses me off more…bill smith or that wannabe obama….both are so pathetic, its rediculous……..
I hope we make a trade, not because I think we need to, but because it might make mj1 take a step back from the ledge.
I think the big trade will be for a new, non-electric Kinetico water softner!
clubs are getting productive players for nothing, really nothing and we havent even made a sniff of a move, we cant even get liriano on this team …how bad is this….maybe the league gms dislike bill smith also…they dont want to trade with him…hes an idiot and nobody likes to deal with them…i dont blame them
mj1…drama queen much?
Is a wannabe president a bad thing?
If a dontwannabe president gets elected, I dontwannabe here.
Does “mj1″ translate to “hysterical” in some computer code?
It’s pretty easy to bash Smith, but since you have no idea what conversations he is having, no idea who is asking for what, I think it’s quite unfair.
mj1,
Just jump!
Don’t think about it!
Just jump!
mj1 just wants the twins to act like a major league team and win….do what it takes to win….simple as that and it pisses me off when i dont see any effort, so you few, say what you want, thats ok, but thats where i stand……
mj1,
Your 1:16 pm post was rational.
Thanks for the adjustment.
So what are the Sox going to do? Griffey in center, Swisher to first and Konerko to the bench? I’m not sure that really makes them that much better. Or maybe they’ll DH Griffey and let Thome play first? Either way, it sounds like the defense will take a hit.
i wouldnt mind being able to have a konerko on our bench…pretty stout
i guess konerko, as much as i hate to say it, is better than lamb, monroe, or everett ….good move by williams and he gave nothing away, at least from all reports…
mj1,
Do you think Mauer, Morneau & Mulvey could get Beltre?
That would be a coup for the Twins.
Regards,
ya forgot to throw in liriano….then i think we may be good to go
Bring up Liriano, put Blackburn on mid-relief (sinker baller), cut Bass. Whoever falters, swap ‘em with Blackburn.
I’m not giving up on Bonser. I think he still might find his stuff and get back to starting.
Meanwhile, I see no pressing need to unload a bunch of Twins players or prospects for a temporary hired gun. Shortstop will remain a problem, but platooning will do for now. No way would I trade Buscher. He’s going to get better and better.
Frankly, I don’t change much. This club is very good, half a rung below first tier, which is amazing given the budgets of the Yankees, Red Sox and such. Look at the run production. Look at the low walk count. Look at the quality fielding. This is a very good Twins team.
jimbo, i couldnt agree with you more that this is a good twins team, and doesnt lack much, but when youre in a pennant race, expected or not, you have to make the most of it. there are no gurantees that next year or 2010 will be better, because pitches could come up lame next spring, numerous things could happen. simply , there may not ever be another chance to win this division, so you have to make the moves needed to help this club now and worry about the future in the future. These players deserve the help, imho its that simple, and up to now they are not getting it….
mj1- couldn’t agree more.
If it is only 1 of Perkins/Slowey/Blackburn/Span in a deal for Beltre, DO IT!
If it’s more than 1 of them, hold fast.
Would anyone be interested in Jason Pridie, the CF at Rochester in a deal? He’s been lighting it up the last month and a half. like .380 with 10+ HR’s.
i know this will be unpopular as hell, but from what ive seen, i would rather see gomez (and i know this will never happen) go than see span go…to me span is just the better ball player and a great lead off guy and will only get better…gomez i think is still a wild card, and i like gomez, dont get me wrong, but if i had to choose……..
I just saw on ESPN that the Twins may be interested in Rich Aurilia…another over the hiller with no pop left in his bat. Haven’t we gone down this road before?
Thanks for all the updates, Joe!
I am in agreement with Average Joe.
Beyond that, sure I’d like to make a trade(s) to solve every need we have, but not at the expense of tearing the team apart. And that’s what it would take.
why would you waste your time on aurilia…if your not going to make a big deal to get someone legit, why would you even think of a guy like that….call me crazy, but i just dont get it…..can someone explain this to me..is he part of a bigger plan???
rays get bay??
Pohlad is too smart to waiste his money when he has the fans money coming in anyway. Their is enough interest in the team to allow Pohlad to save money and go with what he has.
“im not sure who pisses me off more…bill smith or that wannabe obama….both are so pathetic, its rediculous……..”
But Obama just beat the politics version of the Yankees/Red Sox.
No comparison to Smith….
“Beyond that, sure I’d like to make a trade(s) to solve every need we have, but not at the expense of tearing the team apart. And that’s what it would take.”
Jerry, reducing the number of fine young starters from 5 to 4 is not tearing the team apart.
AMEN romer.
If it only costs 1 of those young starters (Not Baker or Liriano) in the combo of players to land a Beltre. DO IT!
The other guys it would take are stuck behind guys we already have anyway.
tick tock tick tock
Do you really think that trading one of the young guns is actually a good idea on how to improve the club? Sure, Perkins is young, sure, he has composure issues, but Seattle isn’t demanding a young pitcher from the Twins just to get a young pitcher. They are demanding one because they can see the quality there. They have scouts, just like other teams have scouts. Seem like most trade discussions have revolved around the pitching on the Twins Big League team, there’s a reason for that. The scouts are paid to spot value, and they see it with the Twins young staff. Seattle isn’t going to settle for our AAA stuff, they want the real thing. If the Twins want Beltre, it is going to be spendy, not in money, but in talent.
So many people keep pointing to the plethora of young arms in the minors, but honestly, how can these same people assume that any of these guys are going to become valuable contributors to the Twins later this year (injuries do happen) and definitely next year. There is no guarantee (Nico) that a young pitcher will have success in the Bigs, so when you have one that is succeeding, you don’t trade them away for a player that is only under team control for alittle over a year. Heck, remember all the howling about the Garza trade? That was about a pitcher that was having issues with the Twins, and people were pissed that he was sent in a trade for a player that will be a Twin for years, and probably will be hitting as good as Beltre is right now. Homers aren’t everything.
Count me in as a person that is disappointed that something didn’t happen, but, I am more disappointed that Seattle was shooting for the moon, than I am that BS couldn’t get it done. Honestly, if the team didn’t get a trade done, it isn’t the end of the world. Step off the ledge MJ1 and Nico, no reason to be so upset, it’s only a game.
I heard the Twins are looking at Bret Boone again… whats everybody think about this….
Oh wait, my bad, I misread that… They said Rich Aurilia… but hey, whats the difference?
“There will be no moves.”
The sun ain’t gonna shine anymore
The moon ain’t gonna rise in the sky
Tears are always clouding your eyes
When you’re without love
Lonely
Without you
Baby
Oh, I need you
I can’t go on
Emptiness is the place you’re in
Nothing to lose, but no more to win
The sun ain’t gonna shine anymore
The moon ain’t gonna rise in the sky
Tears are always clouding your eyes…..
My problem with not making ANY moves is that the Twins needed a regular third baseman who can produce(haven’t had one since Koskie), face it, Buscher/Punto/Harris isn’t very good production wise, and THEN we lose Casilla for the year. The one guy who was keeping the production of the rag tag infield group of Buscher/Punto/Harris/Lamb respectable.
Now the infield production goes down to well below average. Who feels good aboutANY group of 3 out of Buscher/Punto/Harris/Everett/Lamb in a lineup any night of the week? I sure don’t.
Casilla was a huge piece of the Twins recent success, take a look at how they’ve played since he came up…he’s lost now, and the Twins do nothing about it when they can.
I don’t have any problems losing a Slowey, Blackburn, or Perkins to get Beltre when we know Livan probably isn’t losing his spot(veteran ‘leader’ of the staff, LOL), and Liriano coming up for any of those 3 I think is an improvement, a large one in fact. Not as good as simply replacing Livan would be, BUT, we also potentially could improve the Lineup’s offense AND the teams Defense by landing a Beltre for one of them.
I’m for the NOW of this team, so I also don’t take issue if we have to lose a Duensing or Swarzak type as well to make the deal sweet enough. Hell, sell Revere while his stock is high. When’s he ever going to play for us anyway (sans injuries in the future) when we have 22 Year old’s in LF and CF already? and Span, and Cuddyer locked up, and Kubel…
And it can’t be Span in a trade, he might be the most important piece of the Lineup we have right now.
side note: Prediction: Next pitcher to grab a spot in a Twins rotation (outside of Liriano) without an injury happening will be Kevin Mulvey, Brian Duensing, or Shooter Hunt. I’d put the most money on Hunt. He’s the next Garza of the Twins, and better.
“I’d put the most money on Hunt. He’s the next Garza of the Twins, and better.”
Is the 20 year cycle up already?
I thought arms like Garza only come along………
Well its 3:12P by my clock. so any trade with teams from the east or central time zone can no longer be made without clearing waivers. However, their are still six teams out west that have about 1 hr and 45 mins. left to trade if some choose to do so! Speaking for myself this is a typical response from Twins mgmt. Just do nothing…..
heh, I only say that really cause Hunt’s stats in Comparison to Garza’s at Hunt’s point in their careers blow away Garza’s. Granted, It’s only 5 starts, but they both got moved out of the rookie league after 4 starts, and Hunt’s put up ridiculous numbers in comparison.
Boo Bill Smith, Boo.
You better at least announce Liriano has been called up…
I hope he’s the next Garza, minus the attitude of course.
Well, looks like we already knew what the Twins were going to do this trade deadline. Nothing new. I really thought that they were going to move Bonser. Figured that was the reason that Liriano was still in the minors. Trying to get something for Bonser instead of outright cutting Bass.
typical twins management…..what can you expect from a bunch that thought they had pulled a real coup to get lamb and everett…that should tell you all you need to know i guess….kiss my ass bill smith, you are a loser and should leave the organization for the way you work for your players…i would be ashamed andi cant wait to hear your excuses why all other teams made moves and we couldnt….
whine. moan. cry. complain.
the sad note on all this, is if you look at it we had more glaring, definate needs than both detroit and the sox and yet we are the ones not to make the effort to help……makes sense doesnt it????
Dang, MJ1, taking it a bit personal aren’t you??
Wow, someone needs to calm down and take a nap.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398506?MSNHPHMA
There you have it. It took a combination of Jason Bay, Andy LaRoche, and Manny Rameriez to get each other to move around.
Bay to Sox, LaRoche to Pirates, Rameriez to Dodgers.
if you look at it we had more glaring, definate needs than both detroit
Detroit’s bullpen sucks worse than the Twins. By far. We need an 8th inning guy. They need that and a closer.
If the Twins are Neshek away, the Tigers are Neshek, Nathan, and Guerrier away.
“Kay says:
July 30th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Some good ideas here, but I am afraid that our FO is going to sit on its hands again or do some nothing mini-move or get some washed-up cheap vet.”
Sigh.
me too….who asked you…what seems to be your problem….something wrong with expressing major disappointment in a team not willing to help its players or are you just a fan that doesnt mind losing….
Hey Joe,
When you closed this blog with stay tuned, I assumed that meant we’d here from you again in less than six hours.
Hello???
That is quite a haul that Pittsburgh got for Jason Bay. Perhaps not what Howard was offering, but a pretty substantial group none the less.
I am a fan that likes to win, but in no way to I resort to bitching about a situation that I am truly not privy to understanding.
You don’t have a clue what types of conversations that BS was having, but yet you continually bitch and moan about the Fat Ass sitting on his hands and not doing nothing.
I personally would have loved if they could have gotten some help in here, but, hey, what are you willing to dismantle to make a big trade? You know that no team is going to take a bunch of spare parts, and just give us the players. By your own words, you think we need three people on this team, a third baseman, a second baseman, and a reliever. How, pray tell, do you intend on shoring up three big holes, without creating others???????
Guess what, you can’t. We already traded away 2 big pitchers from this club, can’t really trade away a third, without someone on the farm to come in and replace him.
Can’t trade an outfielder, since right now, we only have 3 that are truly fielders.
Can’t trade infielders, OBVIOUSLY, otherwise, we wouldn’t be looking to fill 2 spots. Again, who do we trade, that doesn’t expose one area?????
Please tell me, oh sage one. I really would like to hear your trade proposals that don’t damage this team this year. Any time you take away a good player, you damage it, and adding one player at with the removal of another quality player usually doesn’t realize a big net gain, does it??
The Twins may have made a trade nothing gets updated at the MLB office until about 1 hour after the deadline, it’s not likely that they made a deal and none of the media outlets found out but it could happen. Maybe the Twins figured out that this team needs more than they could get to actually compete for a world series championship. Why trade away your young (MLB) starting pitching to get a bat if it is only going to get you in the playoffs and than 1 and done. I’m not sure why people are so up in arms the sox getting Griffey he is a shell of what he used to be. Look what the Ray’s gave up for Bay 2 of their top minor leauge players and the Twins do not have any top prospects to trade.
Whoopee! The White Sox got and old washed up Ken Griffey Jr. Who the heckenhimer cares it’s not like he’s 25-30.
Whither go Joe, LIII and Howard? We have to go to other sites and follow T’s links to get any news. Hello, is this thing on?!
Also for the people who say we should trade Boof,and Lamb and Everett and Monroe and Livan and any of the other plays that we do not want or are under preforming just what do you think we would’ve gotten for them to make this team better….ah nothing. Bring up Liriano waive Bass and Lamb and maybe Boof and hope someone claims them and that the Twins can work out a small trade.
Joe,
I think we have our answer on Hawkins: Thanks but no thanks. Considering how little hte Astros gave up for him, I have to believe the Twins would have landed him if they had wanted him.
We are having enough trouble trying to make room for Liriano that it just doesn’t make sense to add another pitcher to the mix. Liriano is the best pitcher in the organization. Why block his promotion by getting a marginal rental arm for the bullpen?
Does it surprise anybody that the Twins want to remain a minor league ball club and not sign any “high price” players. They will only finish third in the central because the Indians have everybody on the DL and the Royals…well their the Royals. Nice job Twinkies, you really make me want to watch you!
I think the Tigers will fall apart like a cheap suit without Pudge. I guarantee the Twins will end up 2nd at worst
How exactly did the White Sox ‘improve’ Griffey stats are anything but impressive.
Stop watching then Mike. They don’t need ‘fans’ with that attitude.
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