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	<title>Comments on: Lee owes it to baseball to start Sunday, if at all possible</title>
	<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/</link>
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		<title>By: Kevin Luckow</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-62021</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Luckow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times said on Baseball Tonight that he's voting for Roy Halladay for Cy Young based on alot of the statistical reasons pointed out on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times said on Baseball Tonight that he&#8217;s voting for Roy Halladay for Cy Young based on alot of the statistical reasons pointed out on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Season&#8217;s Over And Still No AL Central Champion &#124; umpbump.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-61981</link>
		<dc:creator>Season&#8217;s Over And Still No AL Central Champion &#124; umpbump.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] enough, otherwise they would&#8217;ve been crowned champs by now; and no matter how many weak veiled threats to take it out on Cliff Lee only because he didn&#8217;t pitch are thrown out, they still lost to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] enough, otherwise they would&#8217;ve been crowned champs by now; and no matter how many weak veiled threats to take it out on Cliff Lee only because he didn&#8217;t pitch are thrown out, they still lost to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Luckow</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-61422</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Luckow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, where can I send my get well card to Cliff Lee?  Then again, in all fairness I should be cranking one out to Zach Greinke.  I wish I had a job where I got paid whether I went out and did my job or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, where can I send my get well card to Cliff Lee?  Then again, in all fairness I should be cranking one out to Zach Greinke.  I wish I had a job where I got paid whether I went out and did my job or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Luckow</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-61421</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Luckow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-61421</guid>
		<description>Oh Wade, you are so precious.  Morris, a mercenary?  I see your point there, but it goes to show you how great Morris is in that he was able to look beyond the Twins 74-88 1990 record and see a team that would win him a World Series ring the next season.

Tapani and Erickson were better in 1991?  Were you watching the same year I was?  Erickson was a one trick pony, a pony that was average at best the last half of the season, Tapani was decent, but when it came down to it when the Twins needed a big win, it was Morris delivering it.  How did the careers of Tapani and Erickson go after 1991, seems to me once Morris left, neither were the same again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Wade, you are so precious.  Morris, a mercenary?  I see your point there, but it goes to show you how great Morris is in that he was able to look beyond the Twins 74-88 1990 record and see a team that would win him a World Series ring the next season.</p>
<p>Tapani and Erickson were better in 1991?  Were you watching the same year I was?  Erickson was a one trick pony, a pony that was average at best the last half of the season, Tapani was decent, but when it came down to it when the Twins needed a big win, it was Morris delivering it.  How did the careers of Tapani and Erickson go after 1991, seems to me once Morris left, neither were the same again.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamsleepeat</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-61418</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamsleepeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Joe.  Stiff neck? You are a big leaguer-get a freakin' rubdown, MAN UP and get your ass out there.  It's a stiff neck, people, not pain in his elbow!  Redmond walked around last season w/a broken finger in a cup of ice for a month! He wouldn't let team doctors even look at the thing, he insisted on playing.  Poor pampered pitcher, afraid he will be tagged w/a loss and his winning percentage will go down and he will not make history.  Lee is a baby-remember when Gomez dared to bunt on him w/2 strikes? The game nor the opponent caters to your whims. 
Way to take one for the team, Joe.  Halladay is  more worthy in every other stat except W-L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Joe.  Stiff neck? You are a big leaguer-get a freakin&#8217; rubdown, MAN UP and get your ass out there.  It&#8217;s a stiff neck, people, not pain in his elbow!  Redmond walked around last season w/a broken finger in a cup of ice for a month! He wouldn&#8217;t let team doctors even look at the thing, he insisted on playing.  Poor pampered pitcher, afraid he will be tagged w/a loss and his winning percentage will go down and he will not make history.  Lee is a baby-remember when Gomez dared to bunt on him w/2 strikes? The game nor the opponent caters to your whims.<br />
Way to take one for the team, Joe.  Halladay is  more worthy in every other stat except W-L.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/09/26/cliff-lee-owes-it-to-baseball-to-start-sunday-if-at-all-possible/#comment-60966</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He was judged by many to be the best pitcher in the 1980’s"

Jack Morris was the "winningest" pitcher of the 1980's, due to the fact that he played on some awesome Tigers teams, but anyone who thinks Morris was the BEST pitcher of that (or any other) decade is flat-out smoking crack. There are about a dozen pitchers who pitched the full decade span who compiled a much better ERA than Morris, such as Fernando, Dave Stieb, Mike Scott, and even Joe Niekro. Removing the arbitrary cutoff point of having started prior to 1980, you can include pitchers like Doc Gooden, Clemens and Hershiser, who were all FAR better pitchers during the latter half of the decade.

And as far as Morris being this ultimate champion with a fistful of WS rings, not once was he the true "ace" on any of the three teams where he played a significant role. Dan Petry had better numbers in 1984... both Scott Erickson and Kevin Tapani were better pitchers during the 1991 regular season... and Juan Guzman was far superior to Morris on the 1992 Jays. The fact that Morris was on so many of these WS squads does not prove squat. He was a mercenary who wanted to go play for good teams on high dollar, short term contracts. I would compare him to Charles Haley in football or Robert Horry in basketball - very good players who were excellent at their role and seemed to bring extra intangibles to push their teams over the top to a championship. But does this place them among the elite players of their generation? Not in the least.</description>
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<p>Jack Morris was the &#8220;winningest&#8221; pitcher of the 1980&#8217;s, due to the fact that he played on some awesome Tigers teams, but anyone who thinks Morris was the BEST pitcher of that (or any other) decade is flat-out smoking crack. There are about a dozen pitchers who pitched the full decade span who compiled a much better ERA than Morris, such as Fernando, Dave Stieb, Mike Scott, and even Joe Niekro. Removing the arbitrary cutoff point of having started prior to 1980, you can include pitchers like Doc Gooden, Clemens and Hershiser, who were all FAR better pitchers during the latter half of the decade.</p>
<p>And as far as Morris being this ultimate champion with a fistful of WS rings, not once was he the true &#8220;ace&#8221; on any of the three teams where he played a significant role. Dan Petry had better numbers in 1984&#8230; both Scott Erickson and Kevin Tapani were better pitchers during the 1991 regular season&#8230; and Juan Guzman was far superior to Morris on the 1992 Jays. The fact that Morris was on so many of these WS squads does not prove squat. He was a mercenary who wanted to go play for good teams on high dollar, short term contracts. I would compare him to Charles Haley in football or Robert Horry in basketball - very good players who were excellent at their role and seemed to bring extra intangibles to push their teams over the top to a championship. But does this place them among the elite players of their generation? Not in the least.</p>
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