Liriano’s latest hope: eliminating a pitch
Posted on June 23rd, 2009 – 10:51 AMBy Joe Christensen
MILWAUKEE — Just landed at the Milwaukee airport and wanted to expand on something I hinted at in today’s series preview.
Twins pitching coach Rick Anderson rarely emerges from a pitcher’s practice session discouraged, at least outwardly, so take this with a grain of salt, but he raved about Francisco Liriano’s latest tuneup Saturday.
Liriano will pitch tonight, when the Twins open a three-game series against the Brewers at Miller Park. On Saturday, Liriano threw for 12 minutes in a pregame bullpen session and hit bullpen Nate Dammann’s glove on all but about three pitches.
“His pen was nasty,” Anderson said. “Nate walks away after catching him and says, ‘Shoot, he’s got the best stuff of anyone. Just a matter or taking it into the game.’ ”
Liriano is 2-8 with a 5.91 ERA for the season but 0-1 with a 3.79 ERA in his past three starts. His mechanics have been more consistent of late, Anderson said, and there’s hope that refining Liriano’s repertoire might keep him even more consistent.
Turns out, Liriano had been throwing two different sliders. One was the sharp-breaking slider he uses as an out pitch. The other had a shorter break. Liriano told Anderson that one of the two homers he allowed last Wednesday against Pittsburgh came on his “short slider.”
This was news to Anderson. No wonder Liriano’s mechanics go haywire sometimes.
“I said, ‘You’re going to decide — short one or big one. Throw one biter, and don’t mess around around in between them.’ ”
At least Liriano doesn’t seem defeated, which is a natural concern considering he entered the season 19-9 for his career with a 3.14 ERA.
“I try not to think about [the record],” Liriano said. “I try to put it behind me and move forward, try to get better each start. Try to take it one-by-one. Sometimes you need to be lucky in this game.”
Liriano has been good in the windup but struggled out of the stretch. Consider this breakdown of opposing hitters success with men on base vs. nobody on base:
2008
Nobody on base: .250/.318/.406
Men on base: .260/.338/.374
2009
Nobody on base: .243/.314/.399
Men on base: .325/.413/.595
“That’s been the problem,” Liriano said. “When I’ve got men on base, I miss pitches sometimes, try to do too much.”
The Twins have been encouraged by Liriano’s recent outings.
“If you watch the hitter’s reactions, he’s throwing the ball pretty good,” Manager Ron Gardenhire said. “He’s not easy to hit. He makes a few mistakes here and there, but he’s got good stuff.”
Tonight, we’ll see if refining that stuff helps Liriano regains his old form.
Note: Check back here this afternoon for tonight’s starting lineups, along with injury updates on Justin Morneau and Nick Punto.
Update: Joe Mauer is this week’s Sports Illustrated cover story, a piece written by Tom Verducci. This is Mauer’s second SI cover.
137 Responses to "Liriano’s latest hope: eliminating a pitch"
First time since 2002 I won’t be at all 3 Twins-Brewers games in Milwaukee.
Go Twins!
That is interesting. Hopefully his past success in Interleague carries on - and hopefully Morneau no longer has “general soreness.” What does that even mean? I understand being sore and everything, but he couldn’t loosen up? I am by no means suggesting he isn’t hurt, it just seems like general soreness is vague and unusual for baseball. Then again, I hadn’t heard of players going to the DL with Anxiety Disorders until this year, and it’s all over the place…
Young, Ayala — now Liriano leery about working with coaches.
What’s going on? Is this common in MLB?
I suppose……..
Going on Wednesday. Cannot wait!
If FL gets pounded tonight I hope they give Swarzak his next start and work him out of the pen.
Starting lineups, will we have to wait until 6:30?
Should/Probably will- be:
Harris SS
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Kubel LF
Cuddyer RF
Crede 3B
Punto 2B
Gomez CF (ugh….we need Span back)
Liriano P
Everyone says pitch Liriano out of the pen, but what situation would he be used in? Look at the stats with runners on base. And relievers typically come in with runners on base, I don’t see that as a viable option.
Close, Adam S. I see Young in LF and batting 6th, with Cuddy and Crede moved up one spot.
If he gets pounded tonight, he needs to go back down.
Liriano strikes out more hitters per 9 innings than any other starter (7.88) and throws his pitches harder too (correlation?). If he eliminates his couple of bad pitches a game habit, he’ll be lights out.
Liriano has a 3.79 ERA in his last 3 starts. Barring some sort of freak injury he’s not going anywhere.
RH starter means Kubel has to play. He’ll be in the OF.
He needs to get his BBs down too, but if I may summarize JoeC’s post as thus: Liriano is REALLY close to turning the corner, I’d say the Twins rotation may go from good to great if the news about Liriano is true.
FL should have trade value…get the 8th inning set-up man for him or package him with DY for set-up man and 2B!
FIRE BILLY SMITH!
DrDon: Suppan is a RHP. Expect to see Kubel in the lineup provided he is still not ill.
Liriano’s problems are all in his head. He needs to stop thinking out there. It’s dangerous when pitchers think too much. Just throw what the catcher tells you to throw, and throw it where he holds his glove.
Thanks, UpNorth, I did not catch that earlier…. Kubes in LF vs. the Righty. Adam’s lineup will fly.
Can’t believe how impatient people are with Liriano. Now that he’s on the right track again he should be demoted or traded?
Give Liriano a little more time and I think he’ll be just fine; maybe all it needs is for him to eliminate the one pitch and then stop THINKING and just throw what Mauer puts down. I think he can be lights out if he just keeps his focus and concentration on Mauer’s glove and hands. FOCUS! FOCUS! FOCUS!
jeff suppan is ABSOLUTE garbage… expect the twins to score 6+ off of him tonight. (hopefully this is a enough for liriano)
Why is no one talking about Danny Valencia today? He was promoted last night to AAA Rochester and according to the article in the Rochester newspaper will be their everyday third baseman. If he plays at least somewhat decent you could expect him to be a September call-up this year and may be in line to start opening day in the new ballpark.
L. should hook the B. Blyleven-over-the-wall pitch. Nothing but trouble.
Twins pitcher is ordered to eliminate a pitch from his repertoire. This sounds very familiar. Liriano last season? Silva a couple years ago?
Joe, welcome to the coller zone.
WJ, if I remember correctly, Silva actually added a pitch, that split-finger changeup that looks like a big fat cantaloupe.
funny that the pitching coach doesn’t what pitches he’s throwing? seems like the coaches have problems communicating with some of the younger players but it always ends up being the players fault.
maybe, just maybe there’s a bigger problem.
Benny W,
Was it Boof? Boy, never thought I’d say this, but, the Twins could really use Boof right now.
Maybe it was Boof. And maybe Silva did abandon a pitch. If he did, it’s a couple too few.
I do remember the Twins trying to get Boof to throw one of his breaking pitches more than the other one. I don’t remember if it was the curveball or the slider.
Interesting story from the October 21, 1987 New York Times about the Twins-Cards World Series:
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/21/sports/cards-overtake-twins-to-trail-series-by-2-1.html
ggg, I’ve wondered the same thing. I think that’s what has bothered me so much about Keppel for Ayala. Gardy and Andy have undoubtedly had some success and should certainly advise. That being said, has the success gone to their heads? Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think its a touch arrogant to DFA a guy with average numbers to bring up a very similar pitcher who has had much less success. I sure hope Andy can perform the magic he thinks he has (that goes for Henn too).
Liriano will stay in the rotation, all you naysayers who continue to say he should be moved to the pen or sent down are just plain ridiculous. Have you not seen his last few starts? He has the best stuff on or staff and we should just give up on him? Replace him with some minor league pitcher who a lot of people seem to have there blinders on for….good grief.
That’s quality WJ, the immortal Les Straker. I’d forgetten that he pitched such a good game in the world series.
OB, I wondered the same thing when the Twins dumped Breslow after only seeing Henn a couple times.
WJ,
Thanks for the link…
Les Straker-now there’s a name I hadn’t heard in awhile…
Can’t argue with Breslow. I could never get over the fact that Cleveland signed Juan Rincon right after they dumped Breslow. Could anybody be that wrong? Twice?
I saw Liriano pitch against the A’s in Oakland 2 weeks ago…he was great first time through the lineup. Then, 2nd time facing the same batters they started to hit him pretty hard. I think that’s typical of his starts. Evidently he’s not hard to figure out once you’ve faced him.
Sounds like B-Smith is looking at the talent at AAA. I do have hope that he is looking to pull the trigger on a mid-season trade to help the bully.
Sweep the BrewCrew!!!
I heard Les Straker is a pitching coach in Venezuela for the Phillies organization.
“If he gets pounded tonight, he needs to go back down.”
Yeah, and if he goes to a two-ball count, Liriano needs to get yanked.
Can anybody hold their water around here?
Great analysis, Joe C. Keep it up!
Speaking of the ‘87 team.
Does anybody else remember when Jack Clark played for the Yankees?
If my memory serves me right, he used to just crush the ball at the Dome.
Maybe T98 could look up his Domefield stats during his Yankee tenure and then
project what he would have done in the Series, had he played.
I’m not saying. I’m just saying…
sane I have been known to drive for hours without having to stop I CAN hold my water
sane: “”"Can anybody hold their water around here?”"”
Well said, my friend. You got me a chuckle early in the afternoon. Thanks.
Do the Twins have a pitching coach in Venezuela? Their lack of scouting and signing talent from the Carribean and South America is hurting this organization.
Wow, goodbye to sliders, I thought that meant Ariel Wade was finally giving up her seige on White Castle. She needs a 6″ turkey on wheat from Subway so she can lose her motorized trike instead of gut bombs.
first question would be does liriano have options left? then do they have anybody better? bringing up has beens or never weres doesn’t make me warm a fuzzy makes me want to go tho. just can’t hold it at my age. where’s drdon when you need him?
i really want to see liriano thrive. his delivery reminds me of j.c. romero, i suspect he could deliver the same kind of spin-dry to weary 7th and 8th inning hitters as we get into the hot months.
I’m here, ggg, just trying to make sense of some things I read…. You’ll be ok, ggg, take two aspirin, take a nap, and be ready for Twins/Brewers tonight. 
You guys should see the lady standing outside of my office. She is ridiculously good looking.
hasn’t anyone here pitched? there must be at least 4 slider grips out there with different breaks. when i was throwing i used 1 as a cut fast ball and another as basically 10:00-4:00 curveball. getting a “3″ from the catcher and still having options can be a good thing if your placement is on.
ggg, from what I understand, but thrylos will know for sure, I believe that Liriano is out of options.
“We don’t want to give up on [Henn],” Twins General Manager Bill Smith said. “He’s lefthanded, and he’s got velocity. He’s another one who’s been inconsistent, but he’s got upside.
Scouting is important but it is not everything. Results matter too. I hope it all works out and if so, kudos to the coaching staff. They’ve got to mold some arms for that to happen though.
Bill Smith is a genious! NOT! Whatever happened to INCREASING the payroll with the new stadium being built?! WHATEVER!!! Always will be “small market” in terms of players salaries and bottom tier of MLB in total salary. Maybe, we can get lucky and win a World Series every 25 years or so. I don’t think we’ll be able to keep any decent players when all your studs (Mauer, Morneau, etc…) are locked up into 15-22 million year contracts; that’s 30-35 million just for two players then!! Baker, Slowey and Liriano will be in need of sizeable raises soon! Always in a “rebuilding mode”: has Mauer been fitted for his Yankee Pinstripes yet?! Just checking Mr. Smith and Pohlads! I’m soo sick of the imparity of MLB, it makes me ill! We need a firm salary cap, otherwise the haves and have nots will always be the same et el…Boston, Chicago, L.A., NYY, NYM, etc., etc…YAWN!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe T98 could look up his Domefield stats during his Yankee tenure and then
project
Jack Clark at the Dome: .289/.439/.400 1 HR (57 PA)
(describe her jake)
Good link, Walter, and good story. TK wanted to bring Juan Berenguer in but it didn’t work out. I thought we lost the series after that game.
I am a fan of Gardy’s but after reading this, one cannot help but wonder…
“The Rockies credit their dramatic turnaround to the change in atmosphere that followed the switch in managers on May 29.
They’re not as uptight on the field nor in the clubhouse. They show up at the ballpark expecting to win rather than wondering if they’re in the starting lineup.
That’s a welcome change from the days under Hurdle, who constantly juggled his lineup in what sometimes seemed like a frantic search for the right mix that would bring back some of the magic of that memorable month two summers ago when they won their first NL pennant.”
Link to article;
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/48807387.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Do the Twins have a pitching coach in Venezuela? Their lack of scouting and signing talent from the Carribean and South America is hurting this organization.
The Twins left the Venezuela Summer League a couple years ago (like other teams) and train all their Latin American free agents in their Dominican Academy and once 17 years old they participate in the Twins DSL team. The last few years there are been doing much better and there are actually 7-8 good prospects already in the minors in the states who came from the DSL, including Ramon Santana. This year they stocked the DSL team with several 17, 18 and 19 year olds and is looking really good.
A lot of the factors that go into the proccess of deciding who goes and who stays are not visible to the “fans”. This seems to cause quite a bit of confusion. The following quote is from the article in todays paper about the “Muddling Twins”.
“I think we were probably playing worse than this,” closer Joe Nathan said. “I don’t think this is the time that we need that. Last time, I think a lot of things were going wrong, probably on and off the field. And it was just something [Gardenhire] felt he needed to address.”
I believe the phrase “on and off the field.” demonstrates the teams stress on these factors.
I think a guy was just cut from the Nat’s pitching staff (an older, over priced, washed up, high era and whips pitcher, T. John reclamation project, frequently dissabled list bound, middle reliever). I think we should pounce on him then call it a day, or in this case season! Touche!
Thanks, T
I guess it was just seeing him crush doubles off the old plexiglass that made me wonder…
thrylos,
Thrylos,
Thanks, again.
Your ability to come up with stats and information on a moments notice is unparalled and very appreciated.
There are legions of us lazy b-ball fans like myself who would rather ask you than “google or “bing”.
Casilla is hurt and won’t be called back up this weekend as planned.
FIRE,
“sane I have been known to drive for hours without having to stop I CAN hold my water”
Congratulations.
That is a skill that I truly envy, but my comment was actually metaphorical.
My first time ever using that word in a sentence.
I will now congratulate myself, if I may.
That stat with runners on definately makes it look like a situation in his head. And that’s something hard to coach a guy out of.
Maybe Anderson needs to write “You don’t suck” under the bill of Liriano’s cap?
Two things about that article chinmusic:
1) It’s a common fluff piece to have the “Things are so much better with a new manager!” article.
2) Despite what you may think, Gardy is NOT juggling his lineups near as much as he was in the beginning of the season (when none of Casilla, Punto, Gomez, or Young wanted to start everyday)
Good one T. Frankie is fragile.
Valencia promoted to Rochester. Val. to play 3rd w/ Hughes going to the OF when he comes off of DL. Heard it from the front office.
That stat with runners on definately makes it look like a situation in his head.
Not necessarily… With nobody one he is pitching from the windup. when men are one he is pitching from the set. Could be mechanics. Maybe he should just try to pitch from the windup all the time and see what happens.
“Valencia promoted to Rochester.”
We’ve landed on the moon!
” Maybe he should just try to pitch from the windup all the time and see what happens”
My guess is that a lot of stolen bases will happen.
But in that situation, isn’t there a risk that runners will get easier breaks?
I don’t recall Mauer’s stats against runners, but I’m guessing even he can’t throw out everybody.
ninja’d by sane!
sane,
I’d rather see stolen bases and outs on the plate instead of 2 and 3-run homers. Hard to steal home
With the exception of his last two outings agains the Pirates and Astros, I don’t think Henn has pitched all that poorly. He gave up 5 runs in his last two games, but had only given up a total of four runs total prior to that.
“to pitch from the windup all the time”
is a tactical disaster which is not a feasible option.
Every batter that gets on base, gets an automatic uncontested “Go to 3B” card.
It’s not an option.
I’d like to continue this discussion, but I have to go coach at baseball summer camp.
Think Bill Murray in “Meatballs”.
“It just doesn’t matter!”
“It just doesn’t matter!”
“It just doesn’t matter!”
“It just doesn’t matter!”
Mechanics certainly could be Liriano’s problem, too. THAT was a good point.
“My first time ever using that word in a sentence.
I will now congratulate myself, if I may.”
the word “envy” ????
That is true ES16, in Henn’s defense he has had some good outings this year and was lighting up AAA. Maybe he’s better than in the past. If he can locate, he has the stuff to succeed. All that being said, I can understand keeping Henn over Keppel. Keppel over Ayala, though, is ludicrous.
It’s always the mechanics and it’s always the mind. The mind “drives” the machine.
What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind! -Homer Simpson
Good one, Says. Another:
“Age is strictly a case of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter.” Jack Benny.
Hey Jake, regarding your 12:47 post, it isn’t thrylos is it???
Just saw the blog and the first thing that came to mind was: Why didn’t Joe or Redman say something to the coaches that they are seeing two sliders and recomend some simplicity? That’s their job - to keep the pitchers on track. Where was their recommendation?
i saw where Danny Valencia has been promoted to AAA, this just because of Hughes’ injury or is he getting a shot to be next year’s big league 3B?
Although I’m pretty sure there is a lot of tongue in cheek regarding constantly pitching from the wind up regardless of base runners. However, in case there is a level of seriousness, it would essentially be giving runners a triple every time they get a hit. It would give a lot of opportunities for teams to bat with runners in scoring position.
Mike Redmond would walk into second base if he saw a pitcher throwing from the windup as a runner on first.
Valencia up at AAA probably has to do with Bill Smith going to watch the team play.
Regarding the Twins rotation & bullpen: just keep the team in a postition to succeed. The starters need to get through the 6th minimum, not into the 6th, through the 6th. The 7th would be better, but I’d settle for the 6th. The bullpen needs to throw strikes…simple enough, right? Now, git r done.
Right, Jr30. I bet DocDon or me could steal second throwing from the wind up.
And that’s taking nothing away from DocDon, I’m sure he’s a hi!!uva ballplayer.
The other alternative is to pitch from the stretch 100% of the time. This has actually been done by many pitchers with success.
WJ,
While that is true, I’ve only seen it done with relievers.
I remember early in C.C. Sabathia’s career when he would get down by several runs he would practically give up.
I remember that too Walter…
shaun: “”"”" taking nothing away from DocDon”"”"”
Your 3:12 post summed it up. Gotta Love It!!!!!
There is only one problem shaun….I retired from playing baseball when I hit a gapper, I pulled a hamstring, and got thrown out trying to stretch a double into a single.
“I’d say the Twins rotation may go from good to great if the news about Liriano is true.”
I appreciate your optimism, QB. And don’t forget Perkins holding down the fort after his disastrous 1st inning last time. Pretty impressive.
Now if we can just have some luck with the aches/pains/illnesses/injuries with everyone — especially Mauer, Span, Crede, Morneau, and Kubel, we’ll be more than fine.
It’s time for the annual Get-Boosted-Against-The-Brewskies Night!!!
Romer….no comment on my hamstring???? Is tonight limerick night??? Help me out, my friend.
btw, the Brewskies are cold, in the fridge, anxiously awaiting the game.
[…] guess Neyer hasn’t seen Liriano’s numbers with men on base: 2008 Nobody on base: .250/.318/.406 Men on base: […]
4:15 and nobody whining about La Velle or Joe not putting up tonight’s lineup yet. What the?
Lets hope that Francisco turns his season and his career around starting tonight in Milwaukee!
I wait for them, they give them to us as soon as they get them. And then I anxiously await the gnawing of jaws and the mashing of teeth.
“then project what he would have done in the Series, had he played.
I’m not saying. I’m just saying…”
chinmusic, I’m glad you’re not saying. If Clark had produced in Games 1&2, it probably wouldn’t have affect the end result.
And of course, he couldn’t have helped them win more than the 3 games they won in St. Louis.
And Game 6 saw Herbie’s GS which made the Twins’ win decisive. So it would have all come down to Game 7. My guess is that Viola’s screwball would have screwed Clark into the ground!
DocDon, I’m still catching up on the posts here.
But I’m doing a nightly hospital/nursing home visitation thing these days.
I know, romer………… been there, done that. Texas, even. keep up the good work, and if Ben gives me heck tonight on trish blog, I will ignore. Spank me if I don’t.
I think the starting pitching staff is going to have a good second half.
Glass half full.
RyanW….. I like your attitude….
Dr. Don:
In honor of the fact that the Twins are playing the Brewers, I don’t think you should drink a beer every time the Twins score tonight.
You see, Brewers make beer, so if you drink their product, you will be supporting the enemy.
Stick to whisky tonight.
“Check back here this EVENING for tonight’s starting lineups”
fixed
romer,
Viola was dealing that night!
I was at Games 1 & 2 myself.
I did have a chance to go to 6 & 7,
but I didn’t want to jinx the squad.
As it is now, whenever I follow too closely, they seem to play poorly, so in all fairness to Twins fans everywhere, I’ll just listen to Gordo tonight…
I already got my sixer Icon. How bout we beat em at their own game?
“”"”"”RyanW says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I think the starting pitching staff is going to have a good second half.”"”"”
The whole point of a 162 game season is not who is best at the AllStar break, it is who is best at the End of the Season Break, Ryan. At the end of this season, Gardy, Andy, the PUP pitchers will be the strongest. And romer, me, and a few others will be here for them.
dr don what is the lure of trish’s blog once the game starts? or do you just like to flirt?
Good strategy, chinmusic. If you listen to John Gordon (which I will also be doing) you are guaranteed to not follow the game closely because Gordon and Gladden love to waste airtime talking about how that was “another Cambria home run and they’ll donate 96 million dollars to Bolder Options and Sobriety High” while three pitches go by. I hate that.
On the plus side, you’ll get to listen to about a thousand commercials for My Local Hardware store. I just can’t get enough of Ron Gardenhire’s unorthodox acting style.
ggg….I love the trish blog….we BS and flirt with trish. She is a beauty. btw, her blog is awesome, in spite of Ben. She is usually busy playing softball, and is hardly ever there. She is a true Twins Fan. Try joining us, ggg.
“How bout we beat em at their own game?”
You make a compelling point, OB.
Thanks Doc.
I just feel like Lirano and Baker are close to being at least pretty good. Slowey and Blackburn have made the adjustment to ML hitting, and Perkins is one of the best 5th starters in baseball.
The back end of our bullpen looks good too, if we can figure out the 7th inning we will be in the playoffs.
I nominate R.A. Dickey for that 7th Inning role, Ryan.
I second Icon. Keppel can cover the extra innings should they result.
Icon is magic at the Dickey Up comment.
True. The mopup role would be a good way for Keppel to get acclimated to the big leagues.
However, the beauty of having Dickey on the team is that he can eat innings and be a setup man. His knuckleball doesn’t take much of a toll on his arm, so he’s one of the few relievers in the game who could pitch 3 innings of mopup work and then come in for an inning a day or two later.
The only role I wouldn’t trust Dickey in is to come in with men on base. There is a risk that he could throw a wild pitch and make things worse.
Joe C is withing 15 minutes of posting the lineups. I can’t wait to hear the gnawing and mashing:
Here it is: (IMO)
GoGo, CF
Mauer, C
Morneau, 1B
Kubel, LF
Cuddy, RF
Crede, 3B
Harris, SS
Puntz, 2B
Franchise, P
There should be no gnawing and mashing. Everyone should just be grateful that #33 is healthy enough to play tonight!
Giving more AB to GoGo over Harris…that seems about right.
Trish’s blog is good until DrDon gets on there.
I’m happy to report that DocDon’s hamstring has healed. He’s just being modest…….still a helluva ballplayer I’m sure.
Because I didn’t know what he looked like, and the first time I saw him — which was a week ago tonight — he couldn’t hold his water and was humping without a limp (the best way to hump, BTW) on his way to the men’s can…..
And I turned to my gal and said that has GOT to be DrDon!!
True story.
“Trish’s blog is good until DrDon gets on there.”
And then it gets REAL good…..and FUN!!
The Brew Crew brought up Mike Burns to take the place of Dave Bush, who went on the DL, as Thursday’s starter. Burns was 7-2 with a 2.55 ERA in 12 Triple-A starts.
romer, I wish that was the case.
Hey, we’re all friends here. No need for argument.
Ben, I like it when people go over the top and get silly and/or ridiculous when they’re having fun.
I don’t like it when people go over the top and get silly and/or riduculous when they’re trying to be serious.
Romer,
And you can always tell the difference oh so easily online when you are simply reading what somebody has typed.
True, Ben, it is limiting. Hard, sometimes, to understand people by what they write on a blog………at least initially.
But ya get plenty of chances to amend, correct, add, and inquire.
It’s just that there are so many bashers here whose arguments are thin, or highly questionable. Then it becomes boring……and not fun.
Liriano should be gone period!!!! he is done sucks is basically the reason we are not in first place!!!
God Liriano is sensational tonight! No need to bring up Swarzak. Come on Francisco, break Pedro Ramos’ record!!!!
Fun to read a blog where everyone is having fun and just want the @#!@# Twins
to win. I’ve been doing the political things. Lot of hate out there. Going to Spring training in Febr for the second time. Can’t wait.
