Gardenhire finishes 2nd; Washburn update
Posted on November 18th, 2009 – 1:25 PMBy Joe Christensen
(*) Twins manager Ron Gardenhire finished second to the Angels’ Mike Scioscia in AL Manager of the Year voting. Here’s how the voting went, according to the BBWAA web site:
Manager (1st-2nd-3rd-Points)
Mike Scioscia (15-10-1-106)
Ron Gardenhire (6-12-6-72)
Joe Girardi (4-3-5-34)
Ron Washington (1-1-11-19)
Jim Leyland (0-0-2-2)
(*) Also, FoxSports.com quotes free agent pitcher Jarrod Washburn as saying the Twins and Brewers are on his radar, with the Mariners in the mix, too.
88 Responses to "Gardenhire finishes 2nd; Washburn update"
Joke.
Joe freakin’ Girardi?
A trained monkey can manage the Yankees.
This award has about as much credibility as a Nobel Prize or gold medal in ladies figure skating.
How Gardy is in that top 5 is beyond me he hasn’t won a playoff series since his “riding on TK’s coattails” year!!!
Walter,
I get the Nobel prize reference but I don’t understand the figure skating ref. ????
Washburn would be a joke in a Twins Uni. Please sign someone with some value.
“riding on TK’s coattails”
TK’s last 5 years:
‘97 68-94
‘98 70-92
‘99 63-97
‘00 69-93
‘01 85-77
Some coattails!
“gold medal in ladies figure skating”
“I don’t understand the figure skating ref. ????”
Were some of the previous ladies figure skating gold medal winners really cross-dressers?
Obviously none of the voters consulted with FV&G prior to voting.
I was hoping Ozzie G. would win for knowing when to throw in the towel.
Gardenhire is the Tara Lipinski of baseball.
You just brought up some very painful (worse than crappy or s**tty) years, sane. Oh, the billiards . . .
Sorry, wrong thread.
I get it now.
Figure skating medals are a function of bad subjective judging…….like boxing.
sane,
I think it’s more likely Walter has some deeply buried figure skating trauma bubbling to the surface.
Unless there’s a knock-out. Or an ear bitten off.
You know it’s the offseason when Tara Lipinski and figure skating are topics on the thread. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Don’t try to understand me.
Just cherish me.
Walter,
I’m stealin that one. Gonna try it on my wife tonight.
Problem is, Paul, she probably understands you just fine. But good luck to you and let us know if it works.
Nobel peace prize is a JOKE!!!!!
Why is it that Twins beat writers get their scoops from placves like Fox sports? Why can’t they come up with this? What a joke.
“Nobel peace prize is a JOKE!!!!!”
I plan to return the two that I won.
Don’t they have an indication who they might be interested in by now?
Washburn or Pavano? Which one should the Twins go after? Or neither, but then who? Congrats Gardy, maybe next year you can make the leap to #1
FV&G,
MOY (and all awards) are voted on immediately after the season ends so the don’t take into account postseason success (or lack thereof).
“Duane says:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Why is it that Twins beat writers get their scoops from placves like Fox sports? Why can’t they come up with this? What a joke.”
No kidding Duane why dont the beat writers contact every MLB free agent to see if the Twins are on their radar.
“Why is it that Twins beat writers get their scoops from placves like Fox sports?”
That information is leaked to “placves like Fox sports”, because their readers can type and spell better than STRIB readers.
If gardy hadn’t played Punto every day he would have won this award.
Neither Washburn nor Pavano have #1 potential, which is why I hope the club goes after one of the Type B’s on the market with big upside or Sheets. Imo, even Duchscherer would be preferrable to Pavano or Washburn, and he’d probably even be cheaper. However, I don’t run the organization so my opinion counts for bubkis.
Btw, what about WJ’s 2:10 post for PoD?
Jon-
Are you Mr. Perfect? Screw u!
“If gardy hadn’t played Punto every day he would have won this award.”
I am sure that Gardy would choose to sacrifice that award every year, if necessary.
Duane,
“Screw u!”
It’s “you” not “u”.
So, let me get this straight. Duane can criticize, but he can’t take it. Interesting. Really sharp come back, too. I know, I know, screw me, too. Sigh.
Should have gone to the Yankee’s skipper. He got them to win it all. Twins couldn’t even win A game off of the Yanks……
We are all English teachers in here?
OBAMA won the Nobel Peace Prize why do you say it’s a joke??
Boneyard and Jon-
Go to other blogs and critique them.
“We are all English teachers in here?”
I don’t teach it.
I just use it.
DO NOT BRING WASHBURN HERE!!!!
HE BOMBED WITH THE TIGERS, WHICH FOLLOWS A CAREER RECORD OF BOOM AND BIG BUSTS!!!
OH, THIS JUST IN…OBAMA BOWS AND BEGS TO DOGS
“Go to other blogs and critique them.”
I will take that advice under consideration, and then do whatever I was going to do all along.
I think a bigger issue than Scioscia winning it over Gardenhire is the fact that Don Wakamatsu didn’t even get a vote. He took a 61-101 Mariners team and won 85 games this year. And he doesn’t even get a 3rd place vote? Come on…
“Don Wakamatsu didn’t even get a vote. He took a 61-101 Mariners team and won 85 games this year.”
The East Coast Media are unaware of any team named the Mariners.
Imo scioscia deserves the award just for getting his team thru the young pitching getting killed early in the season and maintaining a top quality team the entire season. gardy’s team played .500 for the first 130 games (at times looking real bad) and then made a run while they played some really crappy teams and the tigers were coughing up giant fur balls. The correct choice was made imo.
to correct an earlier post i always thought sane had a doctorate in bs-ing not in sh*t. wrong choice of words didn’t come out right.
Good point, Pete D. I think that illustrates why these awards really can be hard to give out.
Duane: Didn’t you start by critiquing the Strib reporters? You mean you really can’t see the inherent contradiction in your, er, argument? Meh.
And billiards, ggg. Sane really knows his billiards.
“i always thought sane had a doctorate in bs-ing not in sh*t. wrong choice of words”
You were correct originally.
All of my degrees were sh*t.
Get lost Boneyard. Apparently you think these beat writers are so wonderful. Are you related to Helen Keller??
November 20th is the date correct? that is when all the free agents can start signing with other teams I mean. think any of the Twins free agents may sign with them in the next 24 hours or so? I’m thinking Crede, Pavano or Cabrera especially…
The beat writers are better at doing their jobs, than you are at critiquing their work.
^took the words right out of my mouth, that and Washington behind Girardi and Gardy is a joke.
Being represented by Boras, I don’t think Crede would sign during the exclusive negotiating window. As for the other two you mentioned, Steve, maybe Pavano. Maybe.
I really don’t know if I’m related to Helen Keller or not, Duane (although I don’t think blindness and deafness are genetically passed on). I was adopted as an infant. For all I know, I could be related to you. Horrifying thought, isn’t it?
Put the Washburn money into 2nd or third base we have 8 pitchers as good as him!!!
I just don’t understand the Twins continued pursuit of Washburn. How is he a better option then the guys that are currently expected to start for the Twins next year? Plus, he’s OLD!
“as saying the Twins and Brewers are on his radar,”
~So what? Julianna Hough and Megan Fox are on my radar, but I don’t think I’ll be landing with either of those ‘teams’ before the dinasaurs reappear.
Duane,
“Screw u!”
Jon says,
It’s “you” not “u”.
~ Now this made me laugh out loud.
heetcpa -
You’d have a better shot if they were one of 30 ladies with which you could get together with.
just to point out that it says the Twins are on Washburn’s radar, not necessarily the other way around.
If Radar O’Riely was a beat writer he would’ve known all about this yesterday.
Let’s get back to Julianna Hough and Megan Fox.
Thanks a lot Sane. By shining a spotlight on crap and billiards in the last thread, you have created a ripe environment for flies on the new thread.
sane,
“All of my degrees were sh*t.”
Did you hear the one bout the recent grad that went to work in the plant? The foreman said “Grab that broom and clean up that corner until I have more time for you.”. The kid said “I can’t do that. I have an engineering degree.” The foreman said “Sorry. I’ll get someone to show you how.”
How can Leyland draw even a token vote for this thing? He led one of the bigger meltdowns in recent memory.
BC’s 3:20 post was classically random. I like it, I like it.
“Six munths ago I diddint even no how to spell collige Studint.
Now I are one.”
~The saying on small statue my Dad got as a gift when he went to law school many moons ago.
Pete D says:
November 18th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
“heetcpa -
You’d have a better shot if they were one of 30 ladies with which you could get together with.”
~Sweet! I’ve only burned thru 3 so far, so that leaves 27 more I still get to sort through!
The baseball season is about 25 weeks long.
How do Gardenhire’s 3 good weeks rate higher than Leyland’s 23?
The baseball season is about 25 weeks long.
How do Gardenhire’s 3 good weeks rate higher than Leyland’s 23?
Your first sentence answers the question in your second.
“How do Gardenhire’s 3 good weeks rate higher than Leyland’s 23?”
How did you come to that number?
Did you go week by week and see which team had the most wins in any particular 7 day stretch?
The baseball season IS 25 weeks long. At the end of those 25 weeks, Gardenhire’s squad had a better record than Leyland’s. How doesn’t his season rate higher?
WJ…Starting slow and finishing fast is better than starting fast and finishing slow. 
At the end of those 25 weeks, Gardenhire’s squad had a better record than Leyland’s. How doesn’t his season rate higher?
Well, if you want to go by records, Gardenhire should have finished tied for fourth in MOY voting.
Detroit had injuries too, and Leyland had them alone at the top of the division most of the season. Minnesota hung around at or below .500 until mid September.
Clearly, Leyland and Gardenhire were judged by how their teams played the last few weeks, and after game 162, the Twins and Tigers were still tied.
Starting slow and finishing fast is better than starting fast and finishing slow.
That’s what she said, Dr. Don.
“Figure skating medals are a function of bad subjective judging…….like boxing.”
or balls and strikes.
or balls and strikes.
Or fair/foul.
Just ask Mr. Cuzzi.
Is Lavelle still alive, I’ve seen nothing from him for over a month.
Some of the funniest comments I’ve ever read on any forum/blog that I follow.
Washburn Could help, but I’d really like the Twins to do something better. I like DeRosa for 3B, but as stated before, IF Crede’s healthy, he’ll put up better numbers than DeRosa, and he’ll be cheaper- plus a 1 year deal, and Valencia is still a hot/good prospect in the minors, so maybe we just need a 1 year stop gap…I hope anyway.
Any comments on Melvin Mora? He’s currently a free agent. Stats: He’s 37 and had a .260/.321/.358 line with 8 HR’s and 48 RBI last year. Not great. 2 years ago: 23 HR’s 104 RBI and a line of: .285/.342/.483 A lot better. Not saying sign him at any cost, he is 37, but he’s played in at least 125 games every year since 2004.So he’s durable.
Worth looking at? I don’t think it’s a terrible idea to consider him vs. our other options. Many players play reasonably well into their 40’s now, so don’t tell me it’s only age that scares you off. Hardy, like Mora, had a good year 2 years ago, and not last year, though he is a lot younger. Worth discussing anyway. Maybe could be had for 1-2 year deal.
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Trade Joe Nathan
P.S.
Like the countdown counter.
i think by “foxsports.com” he means “Ken Rosenthal”. who is pretty much the best national MLB reporter out there.
Congrats to Gardy!!
2010 will be the year he get MOY
HAVE FUN !!! GO TWINS !!!
Dan Uggla to the Twins for Ron Gardenhire and cash.
Washburn…Ehh.
If the Twins are going to take a chance on a vet coming off surgury I’d rather see them make a run at Justin Deuchserer (sp). He has real up-side rather than a lefty who only really dominates when he pitches against the Twins.
Hmmm….Pavano or Washburn….? Throw stats out. Throw injury history out. Who is the better clubhouse guy? That’s the most important thing. Twins baseball is good clubhouse guys first. Everything else (including winning), second.
The Twins were 5th in runs scored last year. They need to add more defense and pitching. I’d rather they see what they have internally for 3B, than spend more than a mill or so at this point (unless they can trade for a good/great young player).
I’d roll the dice on Sheets. If healthy, he’s the best pitcher available. Test him out, give him decent money with big incentives. Sign a 2nd tier guy.
Does J.J. play third? Play it well, I mean.
WJ,
Hardy has never played 3B at the major league level.
“Don Wakamatsu didn’t even get a vote. He took a 61-101 Mariners team and won 85 games this year.”
Wakamatsu did actually tie for 4th in the voting with Washington. Why JC missed this I have no idea.
Gardy is runner up 5 out 8 years and we are forced to read posts from a complete idiot like Fire.What a poor excuse of humanity!
