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Birthing in Brno

Posted on February 19th, 2009 – 7:15 PM
By May Chen

After Minnesotan Katie Murr read our Cribsheet post on post-partum pampering, she felt compelled to send us this piece about her son’s birth in the Czech Republic. Josh was born in October. All I can say is - Gives you Perspective.

As I said in Josh’s birth announcement, my labor and delivery experience in the Czech Republic was very comparable to the experience that I had had in the United States. The same type of equipment was used to monitor Josh and me and the reason that I didn’t get an epidural wasn’t that they didn’t offer epidurals, but that I progressed too quickly to get it started in time.

The doctor who delivered Josh was wonderful. She spoke excellent English, was very reassuring and put up with a lot of yelling from an irritating American.

So, after the birth I was feeling very confident about my decision to have a baby abroad. Josh was perfectly healthy, I felt great and I had even managed to have the baby in time to let Dan leave the hospital to pick up Ben from his babysitter before his bedtime. As is the norm in the U.S., the hospital staff let me recover in the labor and delivery room for a couple of hours. Then, the nurses gathered my belongings and wheeled me up to the maternity house, which is the postpartum ward of the hospital.

My postpartum room was dimly lit when the nurse opened the door. It was a high-ceilinged room with a tall window at one end. Three beds with small nightstands lined the room’s walls. In one corner was a dingy, wooden changing table complete with an imposing metal scale and a large, turquoise enamel sink. In the other corner were parked four metal cribs with mattresses. Two other women were already in the room, recovering from births that had taken place earlier in the day.

czech.JPGThe nurse woke one of the women and made her translate from Czech to English for me. The woman groggily told me that because I was a second-time mother, Josh would be staying in the room with me. I should not expect to use the nursery unless something was wrong with Josh’s health.

I didn’t really know what to say at this point. All I could do was nod that I understood and then unpack my things. I had expected that I would be able to get a little bit of help the first night, especially because Dan was not allowed to even come into the room to help with Josh’s care. After a moment of panic, I tried to make a plan for what to do. I decided that it was important to find the bathroom before they brought Josh to me.

I hobbled out into the hall that ran the length of the ward and found a bathroom a few feet away. The bathroom was a communal bathroom that served the entire floor of women. There were two bathroom stalls, a few sinks and two showers. It reminded me of a college dorm with the odd addition of newborn babies.

I looked into one of the bathroom stalls, finding yet another unexpected surprise. There was no toilet paper. I should have known. It is frequent to find that toilet paper is not supplied in public bathrooms and hospitals apparently follow the same approach. Patients are supposed to bring their own supply. This was also true of towels, maxi pads, diapers, baby wipes, baby shampoo, soap, etc. This was definitely going to be a do-it-yourself operation.

After a quick phone conversation with Dan about my need for emergency provisions, I walked down the hall toward the nursery that I couldn’t use. I hadn’t seen Josh since he was born and I really wanted to hold him. I knocked on the door and a women brought out Josh. He was bundled in a thick, white comforter that tied up the front. Around his neck I could see the lacy collar of his tiny hospital shirt. The nurse looked at the numbered tag that had been tied to my wrist and made sure that it matched the number that had been tied to Josh. Then she handed Josh over.

A few minutes later, Dan arrived with Ben so that Ben could meet his little brother and so that Dan could hold Josh for at least a few minutes. Technically, Dan and Ben weren’t supposed to be in the hospital, but I stood by the locked door to the ward and let them in when they arrived. We sat quietly in the hallway, took a few pictures and then had to part ways. The nurses seemed increasingly irritated with Dan and Ben’s presence and we didn’t want to push our luck.

Over the next few days, my stay in the maternity house increasingly felt like a prison sentence. For example, each woman was expected to wear a hospital provided gown. The gowns were stamped with numbers that helped the staff to keep track of the linens, but that felt more like an identification number to me. One nurse became very angry with me when I grew tired of the nightgown and started wearing my own clothes. She was ready to kick me out of my own room because she thought I was a visitor instead of a non-compliant patient. One of my roommates had to explain that I was, in fact a mother, and that I simply was “out of uniform.”

Visiting hours also felt more like a prison meeting instead of a time for bonding between family members. Because all of the women shared rooms, visitors were not allowed into the rooms. Instead, all of the mothers wheeled their babies’ cribs out into the hallway and visitors sat on the few chairs and benches that were provided for them. There was no chance for intimate family connections to be made. This also meant that fathers were almost completely absent from their newborns’ lives in the first few days of life.

Much like I would expect in a real prison, there was also little sense of personal or medical privacy. Each morning, the obstetricians and pediatricians did their rounds. Just before the doctors arrived, a nurse would come in, put our medical records on our nightstands and then go and get the doctor to tell him or her that we were ready. Then, the doctor would come in and examine us or our babies. All of the exams were done in front of the other mothers and all of the conclusions were shared in front of the other mothers. This meant that we all knew exactly what was going on with the other babies in the room.

This situation created a lot of anxiety for one of my roommates. Her baby grew increasingly sick over the time that I spent in the hospital with her. It was extremely difficult for her to listen to the doctors discuss discharge dates with me and the other mother in the room when they wouldn’t even raise the subject with her.

czech3.JPGMany of the doctors seemed to follow a “I will tell you on a need to know basis” type of philosophy. In the United States, I have always felt like I am free to ask doctors questions and that they have an obligation to work with me to take care of my needs or my son’s needs. In the Czech Republic, however, doctors seem to be more like authority figures who are not to be questioned. In fact, when I did ask questions of some of the doctors, they almost seemed insulted that I would challenge their treatment of my case. This was very difficult for all of the mothers in the room because we all had questions and needed reassurance.

Even the food reminded me more of prison rations than food that was appropriate for women who were breast-feeding (There was no question that ALL of the women would breast-feed. I didn’t see a bottle during my entire stay in the hospital.). Each night, for example, dinner consisted of either two or four pieces of bread and some source of protein. One night the protein was pate that looked more like wet cat food. Another night it was two hard boiled eggs and another night it was a package of salami. Fresh vegetables were never served and fruit only appeared in the form of bruised apples or tomatoes for breakfast. I admit that the U.S. has an obesity issue, but limiting the caloric intake of postpartum mothers seems a bit extreme.

By the time I reached Sunday, the earliest day I could be discharged, I was ready to break out of the hospital. I missed Dan and Ben and wanted the chance to bond with my baby privately. It was on Sunday, however, that the flip-side of this whole story surfaced. Dan and I carry international insurance. This means that we must pay all of our bills up front and then get reimbursed by the insurance company for the covered portions of our care. I received two bills for my stay, one for my obstetric care and one for Josh’s care. The total of the two bills was less than $1000. I literally paid for the birth of my child with cash.

This led me to rethink the whole experience at least a little. Is it better for hospitals to provide individual rooms, towels, free diapers, individualized meal plans, maid service, etc. and charge $15 to $20,000 for the stay? Or is it better for all of us to suffer a little more in order to reduce the costs for everyone? Of course, the question is more complex than this. For example, Josh may have picked up some sort of skin virus while we were in the hospital. It isn’t serious at all, but the pediatrician did note that there are periodic outbreaks in the maternity house.

Is this risk worth the reduced cost? In light of all of the discussions going on in the United States about reducing health care costs, my stay in the big house, I mean maternity house, certainly did provide some food for thought.

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(Even the front gate looks more appropriate for a prison than for a hospital….)

For more on life in the Czech Republic, read Katie’s fascinating blog Adventures and Misadventures in Brno. The family returns to Minnesota in May.

14 Responses to "Birthing in Brno"

Erin says:

February 20th, 2009 at 8:18 am

Not even a question for me…I would rather have what we have in the US than deal with that. I do think, however, that there could be a much better happy medium…

Heather says:

February 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am

Wow - I’m fascinated by this. As I was reading, I felt myself thinking, “Oh no! This is horrible!” But then the total bill really made me think twice about all that we have grown accustomed to here in the US. I agree that there must be a middle ground somewhere, but beyond that I’m still working on what I really think is ‘right’.

The older I get the more I realize that there is no black and white - just many many shades of gray.

Brianna says:

February 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Wow is right! I am not really sure what to think, sometimes I forget how good we have it here until I read something like this. While I agree that medical costs are outrageous, I don’t think I would want to pay less and sacrifice care. I would be mostly concerned that by getting less care something would be medically missed when it comes to baby or mom. Both of my deliveries were tough and long, and I can’t imagine not being able to have my husband stay with me afterwards or not having the wonderful caring nurses to help us out!

Lucie says:

February 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

What an extremely interesting birth story. Can you imagine approaching this Czech crowd with some new-agey birth plan?

This has made me feel very grateful for the little bits of pampering I got for the births of my children.

robin marty says:

February 20th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

hmmm

I have to say that I didn’t think this was utterly horrible, but I think that’s because I look at it from the perspective of a mom who had her baby in ICU for the first 10 days. So a lot of the in public, barricaded, low visitors imagery rang pretty true for me. Other than the fact that I got much better food and my own bed to sleep in (and toilet paper and maxi pads) this wasn’t that much different. You were in with the other moms most of the time you were in the ward, it was nearly impossible to bring in a visitor and totally impossible to bring in two, and everyone knew what we going on with each other’s child.

I’m not sure if the 102,000+ extra dollars I was charge was worth the food and tp though.

Amy says:

February 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Wow, what an interesting birth story. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with all of us. It really is enlightening to hear how other cultures treat this experience.

Even with the cost in the US, though, I would rather have the care that we have here. You just can’t put a price on having highly-qualified doctors and nurses ensuring the health and survival of yourself and your new child. I also had an unexpected and somewhat rare complication during my labor and can’t imagine not having had that good medical staff on hand to look out for me. I am also glad to pay more money to ensure that my husband could be there with us 24/7 during our stay…not having him there is not a sacrifice that I would be willing to take to save money.

I would definitely be willing to sacrifice the hospital food, maxi pads, etc., for a cheaper bill! But still I’m pretty sure that 99% of the bill is from the care provided by everyone involved and not that extranneous stuff.

C says:

February 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Thank you for sharing your story with us. My mom had me in Guatemala and her birth story is very similar to yours. I am glad I delivered both of my kids in the U.S. and got the right treatment for them and prenatal care that I needed. And also having doctors/nurses willing to answer questions that I had and explain things to me.

Tobi says:

February 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

That last question about whether the price tag is worth it here is really interesting. On the one hand, it sounds like the quality of the medical aspects of Katie’s labor and delivery experience were pretty good. On the other, it’s definitely beneficial - especially post-partum - to have all those amenities and, in most cases anyway, privacy.

But in so many places IN THIS COUNTRY the birth experience is closer to Katie’s than to the “concierge”-type experience that most large, private metropolitan hospitals now offer. And I suspect that most of the people reading this blog have insurance to cover the bulk of the birthing bills. There are plenty of women in the US who don’t have enough insurance coverage to pay the bills, whether the care is bare-bones or fancy-schmancy. How many people really would choose the high-end experience over the basic one if they paid for it out of their own pocket? (I can just hear the argument with my husband now . . . )

della wagner says:

February 21st, 2009 at 9:34 am

Thank you for the story of your birth experience. I wondered as I read your story, why you did not go home after your birth. Here in San Antonio, Texas it is possible to have home births with certified nurse midwife in attendence. Or in the hospital, you may go home after your vaginal delivery if there are no complications. This may save many thousand of dollars that can be used for education or other important needs. Birthing has changed in America over the past hundred years or so from home to hospital and now back to home. Thank you again for your interesting story. Della in San Antonio.

Katie says:

February 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am

Thanks for all of the interesting feedback. I can answer a few of the comments and questions that have come up here. First, I didn’t go home because I didn’t think that I could go home. The Czech system is pretty hospital centered. Consequently, the expectation is that a woman stay for a minimum of four days. It is pretty tough for a woman who speaks very little Czech to talk doctors out of this “normal” arrangement. Second, I certainly understand people’s concerns about the quality of care. For example, my blood pressure was quite high heading into my birth, but my blood pressure was never checked after Josh’s birth. I ended up being fine, but this seemed like a gap in my care. At the same time, however, parts of the care in the hospital are at a higher standard of care than in the United States. For example, ALL of the babies see a pediatric orthopedist before they are discharged. This is done to check for hip and foot issues. Josh’s feet were quite turned in (He was 9.5 pounds and a little squished.) and they gave me a series of exercises to correct that problem. To muddy the waters even further, the Czech Republic has one of the lowest rates of infant mortality in the world. So, maybe my and other’s initial concerns are unwarranted. Also, I would be curious to know what Czech physicians are payed. I know that in other countries with socialized medicine, doctors often feel, and probably are, underpaid. I am not sure if the Czech system has the same issue. Finally, I should note that none of the doctors at the hospital were actually mean. One of the pediatricians in particular went out of her way to connect me with other English speaking physicians and to try to answer my questions. It was clear, however, that their daily interactions with patients are very different from the interactions that I think are more common in the United States.

Becky says:

February 22nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Wow. What a story. It seems like we were reading a story out of 1950 America! Did you know that type of postpartum care (or lack of) was coming, or was it a surprise?

I do have to say that I don’t think that “lower cost” necessarily equates the lower quality of care and service provided you received. We could save A LOT more by being more efficient and evidenced-based in our care than by simply group-rooming and not providing basic care and service items like toilet paper and shampoo. Wouldn’t it be great if we could provide top quality medical care and providing service to patients? It’s possible…

Klara Nemcova says:

March 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am

Looks like a spoiled American is telling the horror story from Eastern Europe… I spent some time exactly in the same hospital. All the staff was very friendly, i could ask all the questions i wanted and they replied without any problem. If u dont like staying with other women u can pay extra money for nadstandard room. Food was nth special - that s true - but on the other hand it was nth soooo tragic. Plus my relatives brought me everything i wanted so i had more to eat. If u go to maternity to deliver, every woman gets a list of things what to take with her (diapers, all the things for the baby, etc.) Maybe in US everything is free anyway if i were in a foreign country i would never expect everything would be same like in my country so i would ask twice what to take with me. There is also written u can take all the clothes u want so it sounds really strange that lady was not allowed to wear her gown. So that was my experience.

Orli says:

March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

WOW. I live in Israel. The system here is better. I could identify with some things but it gave me prespective.
I was always jealous of the comforts of American hospitals, but now reading about the Czech, I see I should not complain.
Of course, we were always democratic and never under the Iron Curtain

alinta says:

March 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am

Has anyone seen documentary ” SICKO”?
USA has one of the worst medical system
in the world.
Socialised medicine is much better system, more secure, more human, at least they don’t throw people on footpath if one has no money to pay.
What about dentists? I thought that teeth are part of your body, are they not? So why dentists are not covered by medicare? And what is the cost of pharmaceuticals? Too many things to list. You really have to feel sorry for ordinary americans!