Plus-one on hold
Posted on May 1st, 2008 – 8:33 AMBy Chip Scoggins
The much-discussed “plus-one” mini-playoff won’t be coming to college football anytime soon. At least not until after 2014.
The BCS commissioners met this week in Florida and basically said no thanks.
I was in favor of the plus-one because I think it would move closer to establishing an undisputed national champion, although even that format was not perfect.
What do you think? Do you like the way we have it now or would you like to see the plus-one model. I think a lot of people would like to see a full-blown playoff, but that is never going to happen. I think a plus-one was the best bet.
– Now that spring ball is finished I’ll be on vacation for a few weeks but I’ll check in here if anything develops. Talk to you soon.
351 Responses to "Plus-one on hold"
While it’s a good idea, I am not in favor of it. The NCAA basketball tounament is always the “model” they hold up for crowning a national champion. It works, but they keep talking about making it more inclusive to more teams. It used to be 64, now it’s 65. And this year, when tOSU got passed up on a bid, they discussed the possibility of increasing it to 128 (only one more game). So in other words, once you open yourselves up to this, it just gets bigger and bigger.
Football decided to have #1 and #2 play in the championship game. Now they want 4, next it’ll be 16 and so on…..
I like the mystique and rivalry of college football without the playoff. Part of the fun is wondering who really is better. It makes for great early season interconference games as you wonder how your conference stacks up. I say leave it alone. College football has been successful under the current format
Successful in everything but picking a champion, unfortunately.
With no playoff, I wish they could just get a committee of eight respected college football experts…preferably with little bias, and select the teams for the BCS, then I would have less of a problem with it.
A system that includes coaches’ votes makes the entire process ridiculous. New Mexico State’s coach had Hawaii number one on his ballot prior to the BCS selections. Bob Stoops had LSU #6 on his ballot.
Can’t argue with the popularity of the sport. A playoff wouldn’t diminish that.
I’m torn on the playoff debate. Part of me is all for it since every level of college football uses it except D1. However, the best part of D1 football is that every week is a playoff game and that includes week 1. I think that every week is a playoff feel would be lost if they went to a full blown playoff to end the season.
I’m pretty much on the fence with this issue. On one hand, it would seem to be more meaningful if there were actually some kind of playoff system. However, as a fan of D-1 college football, I am thoroughly entertained every week during the season, and love the bowl games the way they are structured. So while the system is slightly broken, I’m not sure the fixing would accomplish what everyone thinks it might.
Just my opinion.
The “plus one” format would be the way to go. It would not diminish the regular season and bowls would stay intact. Something that bugs me is how late they have been starting the BCS championship game and that it is on a work night. It seems like Monday with a kickoff at 820CST has been the norm lately. Chip, hope you have a nice break and look forward to future updates.
The media always, always wants more games, more events, more hype, more pay, more exposure, higher rankings, higher sales, etc.
The fans want more, etc., etc.
There will NEVER be enough teams “given a fair chance”. There will ALWAYS be a ton of guys screaming to “give the little guys a chance!!!!” The Big Ten and PAC Ten know that media will not be happy until the Upper SW River Delta Conference is given an automatic bid to the National Championships of College Football. They know that they, the Big Ten and PAC Ten are already having to compete against teams made up of kids who can not read a single word or add 2+2. They know what a playoff would mean to their already greatly watered down academic standards.
I want the kids to get an actual education with actual classes. I am sick up to my eyeballs with “college sport” played by kids that have ZERO interest in education.
A racist says,
“They know that they, the Big Ten and PAC Ten are already having to compete against teams made up of kids who can not read a single word or add 2+2. They know what a playoff would mean to their already greatly watered down academic standards.”
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Please name some schools that field teams made up of kids who cannot read a single word. Name even one such team.
The bigot continues,
“I am sick up to my eyeballs with “college sport” played by kids that have ZERO interest in education.”
What evidence do you have, Jim Crowe, that sizeable numbers of Division 1 football players have zero interest in education? Other than your own racial bigotry, that is.
I value education as much as any man. That is why college sports is such an incredibly important part of our society far beyond its entertainment value. Tens of thousands of kids from poor environment are offered the opportunity to pursue higher education through athletics. That is a wonderful thing.
On the other side of the coin, my personal feeling is that if a few kids have limited interest in education but are willing to give five years of sweat, pain, toil, injury, and discipline to a football program so that priviledged suburban kids can fly around the country to their swim meets, ggymnastics meets, softball games, soccer games, rowing events, and the many other non-revenue sports funded by the efforts of kids on the football field, then I am not too upset if five guys out of a university enrollment of 48,000 don’t put classes first.
Hey, Looney Toons, you’re whining about kids coming out of college who can’t read or add. What about one who comes out of college and can’t spell, yet somehow gets a job as a high school teacher?
The Big Ten and PAC Ten know that media will not be happy until the Upper SW River Delta Conference is given an automatic bid to the National Championships of College Football.
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The Big Ten is interested in protecting its virtually guaranteed at-large spot in the BCS and its additional 10-13 million dollars.
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They know that they, the Big Ten and PAC Ten are already having to compete against teams made up of kids who can not read a single word or add 2+2.
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Michigan’s Mario Manningham scored below the literacy level on the Wunderlich test. Michigan is in the Big Ten
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They know what a playoff would mean to their already greatly watered down academic standards.
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You’re a hypocrite for following college football in general.
Jeff says to Louie Neetick,
“You’re a hypocrite for following college football in general.”
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I doubt he actually follows college football. He just uses it as a platform from which to spew racial bigotry.
Looney Toons a hypocrite? Seems I’ve heard that around these parts before….
Jumbo … How’s this for a problem?
One of my sons just got engaged and they plan to get married about 16 months from now. Yesterday she announced that September 12, 2009 would be a good date.
He came over here in a panic asking me what to do. That’s the day we open the new stadium against Air Force. He is beside himself because he has been looking forward to that date for a year or more.
Looks like a bit of a problem because she is from Whisky and doesn’t give a rip about our new stadium.
Yes, the game has already been made into a who’s who of illiterates. Each program, in their thirst for wins at any cost, have instituted various make believe university classes like Swaheli 101 (sp?) at Washington. As they have, so have we. I objected then and object even more today.
The U is one of the most expensive investments the taxpayers make every single year in this state. I see no reason why we should be running a fake academic program for jocks just so we can match Miami U on the football field. Either our players can do real academic work or they can’t. If they can’t they don’t belong here no matter what kind of professional football players they will make. The fact that we are pimping around our degrees just like Michigan does is of no comfort to me, nor should it be a comfort for anyone with a degree worth spit. It only proves we are idiots for mixing professional sports with love of knowledge.
Now that the trend is reaching towards the “our standards need to be as low as The Univesity of SW Texas Western A&F”, I am beginning to realise that maybe college football is not for me. It smells and, especially around here, is getting smellier by the day.
Just look what “March Madness” has done for the academic standards of college basketball.
Good for the Big Ten that they are at least trying to slow down the stink.
It looks like you’re going to miss your son’s wedding, d_a(sp)_c! Seriously, this far in advance, offer her cash or jewelry to reconsider the date. Or your son could find a new fiance……
I’m looking like I’m going to miss 2 home games this fall because of weddings; one is my niece, the other one of my best friend’s kids. Can’t miss either one. I’ve only missed one home game in the last 20 years. Seriously. I’m bummed, but not as bummed as you’ll be if you have to miss the opening of the new stadium.
Do you want me to talk to her?
Your son sounds like a whimp. All he has to do is say “no, not that weekend, please”. If she leaves him, he is very well off.
One other thing, d_a(sp)_c. How can you allow your son to marry a Wisconsin woman? Didn’t you teach him anything?
I guess it could be worse; she could be from Iowa or North Dakota.
Jumbo asks,
“Do you want me to talk to her?”
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No, I was thinking of someone more rational like Lou Neetik.
I’ll bet Mrs. Looney Toons cowers in fear when this tough guy cracks the whip around home.
How much do you want to bet that Looney is totally subserviant at home? Maybe even a victim of spousal abuse?
Jumbo … She lives here. Not all bad at all. And she is much more into the Green Bushleague Packers than the Whisky Beckys so I don’t mind that at all.
Louie Neetick says,
“The U is one of the most expensive investments the taxpayers make every single year in this state. I see no reason why we should be running a fake academic program for jocks just so we can match Miami U on the football field.”
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Louie, since you yourself are an illiterate moron and bigot it has probably escaped your attention that the national trend toward dumbing down students is not confined to jocks.
Any student enrolled at the U can take fake classes and thousands do.
Doesn’t Looney Toons live in Canada? If so, why is he so worried about the bedraggled taxpayers of Minnesota? Or of the U.S.? If he does live in Canada, can we do something about tightening those borders?
dac - They could get married at the 50 yard line at half-time.
That way, all the guests pay and Jimbo and I can be in attendance.
Sounds like a good idea, Scooter. Where are they registered, d_a(sp)_c, so I can start shopping for a gift?
Not sure if you guys have noticed, but Loon hasn’t said anything racist in a while. Hasn’t mentioned the stats he used to and his posts today pertained to education period. Need to give credit where credit is due.
When that whole Jan G fiasco went down I wondered how a place like Stanford can put together the teams they produce. That is probably in the top 5 as far as academics and yet they field a basketball team that went to the Elite 8 this year, yes?
We’d have to pass off Wren and Loon as the drunk uncles. All weddings have them.
Scooter … Brilliant idea. I wonder if I should propose that idea to her face-to-face or write a letter?
NYC … No racist comments from Louie? Who do you think he is talking about when he says athletes have ZERO interest in education? When he said football players can’t speak English or add 2 plus 2 did he mean Greg Eslinger or Adam Weber?
“We’d have to pass off Wren and Loon as the drunk uncles. All weddings have them.”
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Ahhhhhh … drunk uncles from which side of the family?
DAC_I can’t say for sure, because I’m not him, but if he was referring to blacks, he would have spouted stats to back it up and since he didn’t, I’m not seeing racism in what was writing.
Needless to say, he has some history with the subject matter to live down, but lately he’s been better.
And you can certainly write about his statements about athletes not getting an education, but that was about education, not race.
And I didn’t find where he wrote about the inability of players to speak English.
Sorry, NYC … he said players can’t read a word. Not one single word.
I do respectfully maintain a) the leopard did not change his spots; and, b) he is not talking about Adam Weber or Greg Eslinger.
And there is no issue with athletes. Fake classes and dumbed-down credits are there for the taking by any student and a very large percentage happily oblige. This is a failure of public education, not college football.
NYC … Also, Louie only uses stats to “prove” one race is criminal. He feels no need to “prove” a race is illiterate. He just throws that out as a given.
DAC-off, are you sure your offspring wouldn’t be better off marrying something like NYC BendOver Gopher? Probably happen a few years down the line..no sense ruining this young ladie’s life….or is “she” a Tranny?
David: I respectfully disagree
I have zero interest in skin color. I want players, students, gentlemen and non criminals (black, white, red, yellow or rainbow). If you are looking for speed, speed and more speed, I would guess that is what you will find, “speed,speed and more speed”. Thus, Coach Brewster’s remark regarding recruiting in North Dakota. What do you think HE meant when he gave a pass on a pool of 800,000 people?
So, how many games will brewster manage to win in 2008?
Cruding Hogeye … Did they let the IMFALA meeting out early?
2008 - 6 wins
2009 - 12 wins
goldohfour: just the other day you said as many as 8 wins or possibly more in 2008. What happened to make you back off that? Problems getting a recruit or two in? Help me here…I am wondering why the heck you backed off 2 or more wins in just a couple of days. It must be really bad news that you caught wind of.
So, anything less that 6 is a real disappointment? A mild disappointment? A great relief?
So: how many Big Ten wins will be in that total of 6 wins (recently backed off 2 or more total wins prediction by goldohfour) Please don’t say only 2. 2 Big Ten wins would only make brewster’s situation that much more difficult.
12 wins in 2009? Do you think that is possible? Great! I’ll buy your story! So, anything under 12 wins in 2009 will be a total failure…right? That is what you are saying, isn’t it goldohfour? Aren’t you putting a lot of pressure on brewster?
Well, let the good times roll goldohfour! Now we are talking some expectations! That would give him a 19-17 record after 3 seasons. Now, IF he goes 6-6 on your lowered expectations in 2008, will he get to a bowl game? If so, are you assuming he would lose? It matters a lot, because if he gets to two bowl games and loses both of them, he would have a 19-19 lifetime record.
Well, can I take your prediction to the bank goldohfour?
Personally, I’m thinking 7-5 in 2008 with a loss in a bowl game for a 7-6 record. That would put him at 8-13 lifetime as a couch.
However, I look for the schedule to be tougher in 2009 and I see more like a 4-8 season with no bowl game. If he disappoints during the 2009 season, he might not be around for 2010. At the end of 2009, he might have about a 12-25 record with one bowl game loss to show for his 3 seasons.
I think that the Big Ten win count…the ONLY type of game that matters…might be only about 4 total Big Ten wins in 3 seasons.
If I’m correct in my assumptions, he would probably not survive coaching the U of M.
Time will tell goldohfour: that’s why they play the games…
Wren,
I knew those predictions would get you riled up. I always said 6 to 8 wins and maybe even 9 in 2008. 6 wins is still in that window.
I think you are way off in 2009. Brewster will win more than 4 games. 2009 they could be the best team we’ve had around these parts in a long time.
IF your prediction is true in 2009 and Brewster wins only four, he’ll probably will get fired.
Wren, we agree that Brewster might not last through 2009, but the only difference is you want him to fail. I think you and the Masonites get more joy over losses then wins. No matter who the Gopher coach is, I have ALWAYS wanted victoies.
I think it’s time the Masonites take a lesson from Big Al. He was not happy with Mason getting fired, but he knew holding onto the past does no good. He at least was willing to think outside the Masonite box. Wren, you and your crew COULD be right, but one year is way too early to declare victory. Your pride could be your downfall. Let’s wait and see!
Does anyone know what the Gophs record was last season?
My downfall? How can anything as trivial in the grand scheme of things in life as how brewster does or does not do matter very much at all. (Take that jimbo, you idiot and moron…it’s pay back time jimbo.) If brewster wins big, it’s no skin off my butt. If brewster loses big, it’s no skin off my butt. I’m just reporting what brewster has done and am also factoring in how brewster is likely to do. I am kind enough to brewster to warn him that until…and…unless he starts winning LOTS of Big Ten games, he is in serious trouble. His losses are going to kill his coaching career unless he starts winning a LOT of Big Ten games. Why do I say a LOT of Big Ten games? Because that former coach got his tail fired for not winning ENOU”GH Big Ten games. How many is enough? Now that is a good question. A few is NEVER enough. A 500 Big Ten season is NEVER enough. A five win Big Ten season is NEVER enough. Anything less than a championship every year is NEVER enough.
The way I see it: it will NEVER be possible for brewster to win enough Big Ten games.
In the end, he will be replaced for failing to win ENOUGH Big Ten games. Even Lloyd Carr was forced out for not winning ENOUGH Big Ten games. And, believe me: brewster is NO Lloyd Carr. Murray Warmath was forced out for not winning ENOUGH Big Ten games. Even Bernie Bierman was forced out for not winning ENOUGH Big Ten games when he came back after WWII.
With their fiscal idiotic handling of letting Mason’s contract run down to a matter of just days before it would have expired in 2005, prexy b and macturi extended Mason for FIVE (count ‘em) stinking years. Then the next year they bought him out. It cost MILLIONS of dollars for that STUPID move. I have zero confidence in the administration at the U of M. That carries forward into the academics and planning of the University of Minnesota. They do NOT understand the value of the dollar. If they are wasting MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars on bonehead moves in the football program, what the hell are they doing in all the academic departments that is wasteful and idiotic? Just look at the constant rising tuition costs. Oh well, the drunken student section can just hit their parents up for more $$$$$ to keep them at the U of M for five or six years to get their 4 year degrees so they can binge drink, party and let the good times roll!
Take that drunken student section that cuts out of games by the middle of the third quarter! By the time you get your degrees, the economy will probably be weighed down in stag-flation. Better go join the Army!
So, there you have it goldohfour. In the grand scheme of things what ever happens to brewster won’t affect me one way or another. IF he gets LOTS of Big Ten wins, I’ll say he did a good job. If he continues to NOT get LOTS of Big Ten wins, I’ll call for his head. I’m not a cheerleader for brewster. He has shown me nothing as of this date in time. I’m kind of agnostic about him as a coach. I don’t like his style of football. I don’t respect his used-car salesman sound alike hype. As far as I am concerned, the ONLY things that matter will be lots of Big Ten wins, an ever increasing number of student athletes graduating and the need for him to continue to run a good, honest recruiting program and football program. Oh yes, LOTS of Big Ten wins are necessary…starting right NOW!
G1,
I think it was 1-11, but you may want to confirm that with wren.
–How many is enough? Now that is a good question. A few is NEVER enough. A 500 Big Ten season is NEVER enough. A five win Big Ten season is NEVER enough. Anything less than a championship every year is NEVER enough.–
Considering that Mason was a perennial 3-5 in the Big Ten (career 32-48), if Brewster exceeds that, he’ll have done better than your idol. As for expecting Brewster or any coach at the U of M to contend for a championship every year, that’s ridiculous. Your hero never came close to sniffing a Big Ten title, so why would you put that type of pressure on Brewster or anyone else? Then again, it’s not like Brewster or anyone else at the University takes your idiotic rants seriously.
“Then again, it’s not like Brewster or anyone else at the University takes your idiotic rants seriously.”
What is funny is the fact that he has re-invented himself through his new moniker (thewrenagain). It’s like a bad sequal to an originally bad movie.
The problem is we’re forced to watch this bad sequal over and over again. It’s like water torture or someone putting their fingernails on a chalkboard.
It doesn’t matter what the failed Mason did, beecause he got his tail fired by the “brain-drain” trust at the U of M. Mason wasn’t good enough. brewster most likely will not be good enough to get enough Big Ten wins either. Neither was Bierman, Warmath, Stoll, Salem, (Hoax would have failed big time or would have had the program on NCAA probation or worse) Gutey, Wacker and Mason. brewster will make it about 4 years here and then it will be impossible for him to continue. That IS the Unviersity of Minnesota Football job. The administrations are and have been incompetent at the U of M. Overall, their academic rankings have not down well during the past 30 years. Not only did the Football Program walk in the wilderness…so did the Medical School Program and virtually every other academic program. The administrations have failed in so MANY regards.
goldohfour: how the hell can you state that I get more joy out of losing than having brewster succeed. brewster barely squeeked out his ONLY win against Miami of Ohio. I wasn’t sad that he woon, I was relieved. But that was the ONLY win he got.
I always hope for wins for the sake of the kids on the team. I don’t care about the coaches. I’ve been a Gopher fan for too long. I have seen what always happens to coaches in the U of M football program…ALWAYS HAPPENS. They get forced out and fired. ALWAYS.
So, dumba** hypocrite loser wren, why don’t you just walk away from it? The University of Minnesota does not need or want “supporters” like you.
What a pathetic life form you have become.
–What is funny is the fact that he has re-invented himself through his new moniker (thewrenagain). It’s like a bad sequal to an originally bad movie.–
So Wren is the real-life version of Weekend at Bernie’s 2?
Wren,
How can you blame the student section for leaving early? They have to go study. What’s wrong with that?
Wren, do you know by chance how many Big Ten games Brewster won last year? I was just wondering.
Wren,
If you feel that no coach will succeed here, then why are you putting so much “pressure” on Brewster?
As far as the academic programs not doing well here, are you completely off your rocker? The University of Minnesota is a very well respected school nationally. If I didn’t attend/graduate from the University of Virginia, the U of M was my 2nd choice. If you hate the school so much, please do not donate any funds and attend/watch any athletic events. You are one bitter & disturbed individual.
I’m heading down to Charlottesville next weekend
I DID graduate from the University of Minnesota, and I am damned proud of it. Both my children also hold undergraduate degrees from the University of Minnesota, and both are damned proud of their accomplishments. Perhaps this is the reason that the pig wren’s constant ranting about the administration offends me.
Did YOU get a degree from the University of Minnesota, wren? (General College doesn’t count.)
Wren,
The only way to aviod a buy out on a contract to is have the coach retire here. It they fired Mase instead of extending his contract, they STILL would have to pay a buy out.
They couldn’t let Mase coach in the final year of his old contract, it would be impossible to recruit. Even you said, that can’t happen. So Maturi was going to pay a buy out no matter what happened.
The only way to get around the buy out is to let Mase retire here. I know that would have been a dream scenerio for you.
I guess that if wren/eye/moron and/or Looney Toons received degrees from the University of Minnesota, that DOES somewhat tarnish the value of a degree from that fine school.
However, even Yale puts out a few clunkers (e.g. Mark Dayton.)
goldohfour: in 1995 when he had just hours left on his contract they would have had NO buy out penalty. They would have had to pay him anything deferred and the annuity in his contract. Instead, they let him be a lame duck for two full seasons. (Any time a contract is under two years in length for all practical purposes, that coach has been “let go.”)
They DID let Mason coach in the final year of his contract. You don’t think that opposing coaches noticed that in recruiting wars?
Foolish of you goldohfour…you never did get it…
So, how many games will brewster manage to win in 2008?
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Yep, Wren “just posts common sense”…which is why he turns a discussion about the BCS into an attack on Brewster. Chip could’ve blogged about rising gas prices and senile wren would’ve responded with 0-8. Keep livin’ the dream in your golden years.
Even the very confused Joel Maturi probably has it figured out now. We will never see Tuby Smith taken down to the last two years left on his contract. When a school says to a coach that he is not worth having at least a three year contract, the coach is recruiting players he may very well not coach past their RS freshman year. Everyone other than the Mason haters knew that.
As I have posted before, the decision to fire Mason was made before the Music City Bowl. He was re signed to get the stadium deal with TCF (his deal, not Maturi’s) past St. Paul. As with every single detail of the stadium plan, the subsequent buy out of Mason was all done with non U money. Yes, it was all ugly, but, in the end, nothing about the stadium, signing up Mason, then buying him out, cost the U a penny.
They wanted Mason out without an NCAA penalty, they wanted a new stadium and they wanted the U not to pay a penny. Maturi and Bruinicks got what they wanted. We paid. And now we have the Brewster Era. May I add, that is off to the worst start of any Gopher FB coach ever.
Maturi and Bruinicks got what they wanted. We paid.
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How much did you have to pay Loon? You specifically.
The Loon says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am
Yes, it was all ugly, but, in the end, nothing about the stadium, signing up Mason, then buying him out, cost the U a penny.
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Next time you’re with your old buddy wren/eye, perhaps you should tell him this. It contradicts what he’s been saying.
Exactly Jeff? Well, let me see. The money we spend on three season tickets over the five years it will take for the AD to repay the loan used to the President. Plus our considerable property taxs until the bonds for the stadium are paid off (25 years?). Plus the sales taxes we pay. Plus the income tax we pay.
I don’t know in total, exactly.
Jimbo, I don’t think for one second that eye does not know who pays in the end. We, the fans and taxpayers, pay. Collectavism is alive and well in Minnesota.
Eeyeblabbawlbaby says,
“If they are wasting MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars on bonehead moves in the football program, what the hell are they doing in all the academic departments that is wasteful and idiotic?”
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Is it some kind of mystery to you that public education is an abject failure? At least the football program makes money for the university.
The absurd notion that a vagabond football coach with no ties to the community and who spent all his time alternating between depositing enormous paychecks and waiting by the phone for new job offers was somehow instrumental in getting a new stadium is beyond hilarious.
Cruding Hogeye Smut Peddler reports,
“8,348 out of 8,509 hogs in my yard have spots.”
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Wow, this guy really loves to count stuff.
More indisputable proof the Gophers are the only program in America that has “risky” players coming in.
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BATON ROUGE, La. - LSU quarterback Ryan Perrilloux, who has had legal and disciplinary problems throughout his college career, has been kicked off the team.
It appears that Ryan Perrilloux’s roller-coaster career at LSU is over.
“Ryan was given every opportunity to be a part of this football team,” LSU coach Les Miles said. “In the end, he didn’t fulfill his obligation as an LSU student-athlete.
“We hope that a new beginning will benefit him. I wish Ryan and his family nothing but the best in any future endeavors.”
LSU said Friday that Perrilloux is expected to finish out the spring semester at the school.
Perrilloux, who was suspended by the Tigers last summer, was on the fringe of a counterfeiting investigation and was caught trying to enter a Baton Rouge casino with false identification. He also was involved in a fracas at a nightclub in November, but was cleared of wrongdoing.
Perrilloux was suspended for spring practice for being late for a team meeting. He was re-instated to the team for the last week of spring workouts, but was not allowed to practice.
Perrilloux did make the trip to the White House when the 2007 national championship team was honored. Perrilloux was named the Most Valuable Player of the SEC Championship game when LSU beat Tennessee, one of two starts he made last season.
david_allen_coe says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:40 am
More indisputable proof the Gophers are the only program in America that has “risky” players coming in.
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Hey moron, Perrilloux is on his way OUT! What a numbnuts! Does your future daughterinlaw know what a sack of hammers she is marrying into? lol Maybe punky will go after Perrilloux now?!!!! Its not like he has been involved in any shootings or gang-rapes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need more exclamation points…or else we won’t get your point.
Cruding Hogeye Pornographer … How did you learn to count so many sows? Have most of them starred at one time or another with you in your homemade porn flicks?
Are you still chairman of the IMFALA?
To Whom it May Concern:
Please excuse Cruding Hogsmuts Pornographer from his required participation counting hogs for this board. He has been appointed Chairman (and founder) of the IMFALA and will be devoting much of his recreational time to that organization.
Iowa Hawkeyes’ legal woes no joke
By James Grob
OTTUMWA COURIER (OTTUMWA, Iowa)
I received a joke in my e-mail about a week ago.
I had to read it, because it was from Mom. Often I’ll delete e-mails like that, but when Mom sends you a joke in the e-mail, you have to read it. Those are the e-mail rules when you visit my computer.
Anyway, the joke went something like this:
A woman in Iowa City calls the police.
“Officer,” she says, “Help me please! Someone’s breaking into my house!”
“We’re really busy right now,” the officer says. “Just get the guy’s jersey number and we’ll get back to you.”
A little funny, but a little sad, too.
The joke reflects the public’s current perception of the Hawkeye football program, and unfortunately, that’s not funny at all. I don’t know how many people I’ve talked to — some of them rabid Hawkeye supporters — who lately have been rolling their eyes whenever the football program gets mentioned. They’ll mutter something along the lines of, “A bunch of crooks.” Often times, they’ll mutter something else that’s not appropriate in a family newspaper.
This is disappointing, because most of the Iowa football team certainly is not a bunch of crooks. I’ve met some of the players, I’ve talked with some of them. I even know some of their parents. The kids I know are good kids. It’s too bad they’ve been lumped in with a few kids who have done some bad things.
That’s how it works, though, when you’re in the public eye.
This is the problem Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz is facing as spring football practice opens this season. It would be great if the only problem for Ferentz was wins and losses, because this is something Ferentz is fully equipped to deal with. He’s a coach — a good one — and few are more capable of re-energizing a program that has gone 12-13 over the past two seasons. This is why Ferentz makes the big bucks. He’s one of those guys who can turn mediocrity into success.
Unfortunately, Ferentz also needs to find a way to deal with Iowa’s issues away from the practice field, as well as deal with the public’s perception of those issues.
At least six players have been dismissed from the team since last fall for serious legal problems — with allegations of things like drugs, theft and sexual assault.
This isn’t the kind of legal trouble that a normal college kid might get into. This isn’t a matter of driving too fast down Main Street, getting into a scrap outside a tavern or turning the music up too loud on a Saturday night.
The kinds of serious mistakes too many Iowa football players are making are stupid as well — but they’re not as forgivable.
“That continues to be disappointing,” Ferentz said at his press conference Wednesday. “We’ll continue to work and be diligent.”
According to an Associated Press article, Ferentz is seriously considering creating a new staff position that would focus on “player development” and help educate and provide one-on-one tutelage to Iowa’s players — especially the younger ones — about proper conduct.
In other words, a baby-sitter. A baby-sitter that will probably make about $60,000 per year.
One of my sports writers said he’d be happy to apply for that job. He had better interview better than me, though, because I have a longer résumé.
Is an overpaid baby-sitter the answer to Iowa’s legal troubles? Will creating a new staff position to teach players about proper behavior off the field ease the public’s discontent with the Iowa football team?
I guess we might find out.
I do hope Kirk and Company can get things straightened out — both on and off the field — because when spring football practice opens a year from now I want to be reading and writing about who’s going to start at running back, who looks good at linebacker and which team on the schedule will give the Hawkeyes the most problems.
I’d rather not be reading and writing about which players are guilty, which players are innocent and which players have the best lawyers.
In the meantime, I guess I’ll memorize all the players’ jersey numbers — in case I have to call the cops.
Intersting debate about a playoff until Wayne comes in and starts his tired rants. Get the medication already.
To the real discussion: If there is a sport that needs a playoff, it is college football. They play less games than any other sport and unlike most pro sports, cfb teams only play about 1/12th of their competition for a national championship.
Wow, what a pathetic program those Iowa Hogeyes have. It’s a disaster. And to think, many of those kids would have turned out OK had they not been introduced to Iowa’s No. 1 Booster, the famed farm animal pornographer Cruding.
I’ll bet none of those players would have gone wrong if Cruding had not been paying them to star with him in his IMFALA films.
Recruiting says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:48 am
david_allen_coe says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:40 am
More indisputable proof the Gophers are the only program in America that has “risky” players coming in.
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Hey moron, Perrilloux is on his way OUT! What a numbnuts! Does your future daughterinlaw know what a sack of hammers she is marrying into? lol Maybe punky will go after Perrilloux now?!!!! Its not like he has been involved in any shootings or gang-rapes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well he didn’t go to Iowa, or he’d still be on the team. LMAOR. 14 arrests, 8 players still on the team. I can’t wait to watch a bad ISU team beat Iowa yet again this fall. LMAOR.
Derek … Not that I wouldn’t love the entertainment of watching a true playoff unfold, but you are talking about adding a month or more to the season for the elite powerhouses.
It is just another way to widen the gap between the big guys and all the rest.
Do top recruits want to quit in November and watch the elites on TV for another six weeks or do they want to play for the teams most likely to be there?
Cruding Hogeye Smutz … Do you know which players Ferentz plans to play two ways this fall?
With about 80% of his players in prison I suppose he will be lucky to find 11 guys to put on the field. Same guys will have to play offense, defense, and special teams.
Remember, Cruding, you always say versatility is an asset as you admire your cast of farm animals and salivate over starring with them in your porn flicks.
“Plus-one on hold?”
Why do you fucking idiots care? Its NEVER, and I mean NEVER, going to have anything to do with you Jokes of CFB! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Cruding PantherHogeye …. Aren’t you late for your Friday meeting of IMFALA? Run along now.
No, I am putting the wood to your old lady tonight so she, in turn, can hopefully show your brat what to do before his wedding night! LMAO!
Surely you jest, Hogeye Pornographer.
As the creator, founder, and leader of IMFALA you would never tear yourself away from a gathering of like-minded perverts and farm animals. Quit trying to be funny.
Bend over a bit further goofer students:
http://www.startribune.com/local/18536909.html
Nothing like getting a new mini-stadium shoved up your ass! LMAO! Its a good thing their not building a real stadium…..now that might hurt! LMAO!
What a joke!! Whats next, stealing lunch money to pay for that little sewer above ground?!?!? LMAO!
Chip: d_a_c and pantherhawk are doing you proud today. This is the Chip Scoggins sponsored board of filth.
Wrenbawls … It would not surprise me in the least to find you are the author of all posts under the pornographer Cruding PantherHog names.
>>I am putting the wood to your old lady tonight so she, in turn, can hopefully show your brat what to do before his wedding night!<<
I apologize, somebody stole my moniker and made that ridiculous comment. I’ve been having sex with dogs and small boys for so long, I wouldn’t even know what to do with a woman. No self-respecting Hawkeye fan would even think of touching a woman. Now, a female dog, that’s another story.
one ooc win in 2007 was better than what? 0-8 in the Big Ten was a great confidence builder for you?
I got bashed by the baStards SO long, that they showed me the light of day. I will NEVER give a coach a blank check. If the coach is losing, I will use the reality of the situation to point out just exactly what is happening: that the coach is losing. I will advocate for change. My expectation is that either the coach starts winning Big Ten Football Games, or he needs to be run out of town on a rail. To hell with it. I can see right through the hype and will cut to the chase. If the coach is zero for eight in Big Ten play…I will bitch about it and call for drastic change. I will call it like I see it. I will tell it the way it really is. The only thing we know for certain is what has actually happened. The administrations at the U of M have run out of time with what they have provided for the football program and I am going to call them on it. If the administration is making horribkle fiscal blunders and wasting millions and millions of dollars, I will put the blame where it bolongs: directly on the administration.
So, Bayfield, I have had it mobbed and bashed out of me. I will tell it the way it is. I will not live on hype and hope watiing for the football program todo something. Either the football program will do it…or it will not do it. Either brewster wins lots of Big Ten games…or he does not win lots of Big Ten games.
I am dealing in the here and now. I am dealing with the reality of the situation.
Wins and losses in the Big Ten games are the ONLY measure of success or failure. You can NOT “…get by…” in the Big Ten with a weak offensive line no matter what fly-by-night offense you are trying to pretend that you are playing. You will have the “…cheap substitute…” margerine or generic spread of what ever kind and that is all you will have by trying to “…get by…”
It’s all about the total number of Big Ten wins…
Jimmy, the only stats that matter are scoring offense and scoring defense. You pointed both of those out from 2006 to 2007. The only other stat that determines winning or losing a game is the turnover ratio. If you want to look that stat up between 2006 and 2007 you will see that it is a huge difference. I will say that our leading rusher last year was our QB. Thats not going to cut it in the future. Also a good deal of those yards came because the other teams were just playing soft defense due to their lead in the game. The games when we had to get it done, we did not get it done.
strut with your fellow club members hosea! Yeah, I got kicked off gh/gi because I wouldn’t fall in line and kow tow to the company line. I consider that to be a tribute to my spirit of contrasting the bashers and mobbers of those sites.
It is the loss of those sites…not a loss for me.
They only want to allow people who will kiss the booster club’s behinds…and help push the agenda of the the booster club.
They liked me until they didn’t like me any longer. Once again, their loss!
Well, I still contrast. But, I’m not obnoxious and chicken sh.t the way those gh/gi people who come here and make comments about kids & wives, use my last name, and try to intimidate me in that way. To hell with them.
At least I stand up and say what I think.
I tell the truth about brewster’s record. He is 0-8 in Big Ten play. IF he ever starts winning lots of Big Ten games, I will give him credit. However he HAS to start winning Big Ten games before I will give him diddly squat.
the only evidence that is present is the fact that brewster went 0-8 in the big Ten in 2007. There is enough misuse of players and talent to suggest that he decided he was going to run an offense that his kids were not suited to play. brewster has been in charge for 15 stinking months and he has failed to develope talent that he has been in charge of. In 15 months time, the old staff always used to put together decent offensive lines.
brewster is responsible for developing talent each and every month he is in charge fo this football program. He sucks at doing that, obviously He didn’t even freaking offer scholarships to offensive linemen during the past 12 month recruiting period. He obviously thought he was “set” at the offensive line positions. He and his people screwd up. That’s pretty much the way it is Bayfield The guy is NOT an experienced head coach. He has pretty much sucked so far.
Once again some person has posted a FANTASTIC post that I once wrote…but did not write today. You see: if I don’t post, the peons who think they are dirty tricksters try to maek it appear that I have posted.
Certainly, the people do need to hear the facts regarding brewster and his record at the U of M.
Now, just watch, the peons will now start complaining that my material is on the board again.
Well, I did not post it. Who did?
At any rate: it is the hard cold truth. It’s just that once again Chip’s blog is being abused by some very abusive people.
Chip: what are you going to do? You know these peons even fake posts from you.
It’s your blog Chip….you can either let them walk all over you or you can do something to stop this abuse. Or, is this abuse what you want to happen here Chip?
anyone know if brewsters kid has a boyfriend cuz i would really love to rock his world
Remember, whenever I write LMAO, it stands for “love my anus orally.”
And Wren, I fake my orgasms, so what?
wren, were you drunk when you did this post May 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm? you better hope i never see you at a game this fall.
Wren,
I see your post about writing a blank check for a coach, and quite frankly I do not care when it was written.
No one is writting a blank check for Brewster, people are just saying give Brewster some more time. Yes 2007 was bad, but one year is way too early in jumping to conclusions. After all Brewster inherited a team that was predicted to finish dead last in the Big Ten.
Maturi is going to give Brewster 3 years. There is no way he is going to fire Brewster after year two and then pay all his assistant coaches contracts for year 3. So we have Brewster for 3 years no matter what.
Let’s wait see what happens these next two years before we start believing Armagedon is coming. You never know, Brewster might suprise you these next two years. I’m definetly not writting Brewster a blank check, but I’ll give him some more time before I get my undes in a bundle.
Weren maybe you should go to a practice and watch. The coaches are teaching basics and fundamentals. After watching practices this spring and Lets stop all of this crap and wait till fall and see. All this speculation is BS.
OOPs all of the last post did not come thru. After watching spring practices and the spring game I saw alot of what is being taught being used. If the rest of the team can’t pick it up they will be sitting on the bench. But the coaches are being very diligent in teaching. Give them the benefit of the doubt and wait till fall before you praise or condem.
ruppert: here’s a quarter…call somebody who cares. I doubt it is really you since so many posts on this board are fake. Maybe you will bring a gun and shoot me? Is that what you are saying. There probably is some sad, sick booster club member who may have that “goal” in mind or at least will fake “laying it on the “line” that way. Drive by’s with the players…now probably “drive bys” with the so called booster club members.
Well, it is safe to say that I am hitting some nerves even when I don’t post! ruppert, ruppert, poor old ruppert: you can threaten me all you want. The bottom line will be Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses. brewster can NOT afford any more Big Ten losses.
Wren,
I don’t think you hit a nerve with Ruppert, I think he hit yours.
Too bad, DickHeads, Ferentz scoops PunkShit again!
Four-star commit… Reply
As we reported earlier today in the Hawkeye Lounge, four-star offensive lineman David Barrent verbally committed to Iowa this weekend.
Barrent and I had a three-way with a collie. I hope I didn’t break any NCAA recruiting regulations.
And today four star running back Hasan Lipscomb committed to the U. It came down to the Gophs and LSU. The kid is 5′ 11″ 200 pounds and runs a sub 4.4 forty (Loon’s lovin’ that speed).
What a mess. This entire board is ruined by Whyne Renbawls spreading of pornography and flatulence. How depraved can one man be?
One thing Brewster can do is recruit. He is a recruiting machine no doubt about that. Lipscomb taking MN over LSU probably rarely happens. This is a huge pick up, no doubt about it.
Pantherhawk - The last thing a Hawkeye fan should do is gloat over MN in recruiting. Brewster walloped Frentz on recruiting in 2007 and he will do it again in 2008.
Wren - Yes, we know it’s not all about fantasy recruiting, but at least the athletes are starting to come here. Like you I’m waiting to see how
Brewster brings it all together. He certianly did a great job in improving his first recruiting class rated 67 to a ranking of 17th his second year.
I have a feeling if Brewster can make a big turn around in recruiting from his first to second year, he might do the same with the teams record from their first to second year. I’m just going to take one game at a time and enjoy the new stadium.
pokeintheeye says:
May 4th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
And today four star running back Hasan Lipscomb committed to the U. It came down to the Gophs and LSU. The kid is 5′ 11″ 200 pounds and runs a sub 4.4 forty (Loon’s lovin’ that speed).
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When push comes to shove and the goofers go 3-9 this year he will sign with LSU, smallballs!
Lipscomb, a New Orleans native who was chased out of town by Hurricane Katrina and settled in Houston, is a RB from Texas - and a lifelong LSU fan.
Lipscomb has been talking about making an early commitment to all the recruiting services, and there is little doubt if he does so that LSU is in the driver’s seat.
Pantherhawk,
Last year the Masonites said the same thing. All our recruits were going to decommit. We had four decommit and we still finished 17th in the nation. He might decommit but I like our chances.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The best running back in Texas commits to Minnesota as part of an elaborate hoax because he really plans to go to LSU and doesn’t want anyone to know. Hilarious.
More stupidity from one of the many names used here by Whine Renbawls. Pornograph and flatulence, nothing more.
Coach Brewster and his staff continue to excel at their most important job, recruiting.
Right now recruiting is about 60% of how Brewster should be evaluated. He gets an A plus.
In Recruiting I’d give Brewster a A plus. I think his recruiting has suprised everyone. No one expected him to do this well. Brewster can flat out recruit.
I think this year we will have a better idea how good of a coach he is.
You bleeping morons and your big 17th ranked recruiting class crack me up. lol Was that about 5th in the Big 10? Does it include the gangsta got he ass shot off back east? lol He’ll be a great one for you! You douchebags were 1-11, start acting like it.
Correction that was 3rd in the Big Ten, Wisconsinite. Brewster may not work out, but if Badger fans and Iowa fans are starting to come here and check out these Gopher sites you know they think something big might happen. If I was a Badger or Iowa fan, I would not bother showing up on this site. Why waste my time for a 1-11 team?
Becky Pipsqueak Whisky … Minnesota’s class was 17th in the country and third in the Big Ten. The stupid little thug Bielema was 41st. What a joke that little classless moron is.
Gold … If your coach was as stupid and incompetent as the little dirty thug Bielema, you would go to any site other than the pathetic loser whisky site.
The miserable little runt was handed one of the best teams in the country and he is running it into the dirt as quickly as possible. Did you see how the little POS choked in the bowl game?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
>>When push comes to shove and the goofers go 3-9 this year he will sign with LSU, smallballs!<<
I mention your testicles because I like balls that are large and, preferably, canine.
We Hawk fans are doing our part to stop overpopulation by practicing bestiality.
What will become of these recruits? How many will get into school? How many will be able to make an impact immediately? How many will stay elegible? There are so many questions. How many will be ready to replace players that are currently on the squad?
You keep ranting and trying to trash talk boasting of the 17th best fantasy recruiting class. How foolish can you be? IF brewster didn’t have to play any games, then at least no one could prove you wrong about that one class. However, since brewster has to play games, you had better be much more concerned about how well brewster can coach on Game Day Saturday than any other factor.
There are about six classes represented on a football field: true-freshmen, redshirts, redshirt frosh, Sophmores, Juniors, and seniors. Those fifth year seniors who redshirted their freshman year are becoming more and more rare at places like the U of M. Most likely, during this brewster short-lived era, there will be very few fifth year senior players to do battle against Big Ten teams.
So, if the incoming freshman class was ranked #17 by fantasy recruiting services and magazines and web-sites, what the heck does that mean to the immediate success/failure of the program? How many of them will make an immediate impact? How many of them ever will make an impact? How many will survive the first three seasons? It is pretty darn foolish trying to trash-talk based on an incoming freshman class. Especially coming off a 1-11/0-8 Big Ten record the season before.
Just quit the trash-talk based on a fantasy recruiting class rating. It looks…it sounds…it IS really foolish.
Cruding Pornographer says,
“So, if the incoming freshman class was ranked #17 by fantasy recruiting services and magazines and web-sites, what the heck does that mean to the immediate success/failure of the program?”
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Wake up. It means improvement and especially improvement over a typical Mason 65th best class. Are you having trouble understanding that good players can be expected to perform better on the field than mediocre players? Are you that stupid?
Ok d_a_c: I hope the coach from wisky with a name that sounds like an eating disorder gets his butt handed to him by brewster in 2008 at wiskyville.
Based upon what you say about him, IF brewster doesn’t take wisky apart and kick their butts all over the camp, it is time to rise up in revolt against brewster. After all, the coach with the eating-disorder sound alike name got the 41st best recruiting class…so brewster will have NO excuse for not bringing the AXE home out of the camp!
You are guaranteeing it…right d_a_c?
Well I am happy! I love beating the badgers…especially in the camp! You will guarantee that brewster will get that done in 2007…you know…the 17th best recruiting class and all… right, d_a_c?
And, I’ll call it like I see it IF brewster doesn’t beat iowa, Indy and NU in the dome! So, now we are talking a 4 Big Ten win season in 2008! Just DO IT brewster!
“Well I am happy! I love beating the badgers…”
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No you don’t. You hate the Gopher program and try to do anything you can to undermine it and stab our players and coaches in the back. You do that under all the many various names through which you spew pornograph and flatulence on this board.
david_allen_coe says:
May 4th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
“Well I am happy! I love beating the badgers…”
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No you don’t. You hate the Gopher program and try to do anything you can to undermine it and stab our players and coaches in the back. You do that under all the many various names through which you spew pornograph and flatulence on this board.
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Way to back out of his question, Jack-off!
Back off what question, mental midget? Why do you keep whining that somebody must magically produce this win or that win or some number of wins yet you are undermining all the steps that lead to a winning program?
All of you morons and pornographers sound like tiny children.
dac said:
“All of you morons and pornographers sound like tiny children.”
dac, I think you need to apologize to tiny children. This group of clown bashers we’re dealing with are unbalanced and social cast-offs. It concerns me that these “people” are walking among us.
Good to see you’re getting back to old form!
1) the RB recruit from TX is significant. I have already expressed my concern about depth at that position. I will try and scout him out if I get a chance. I am in the San Antonio area, but will try and get a look.
2) In my mind, this is Brewster’s first recruiting class. You can not count getting 2 weeks to mop up the laziness of Mason. I still get pissed thinking of the way Mason left the U.
3) One huge challenge is when fall practice starts to get all these guys to come together as one. Not as easy as it sounds. Guys from all over the country, JC players, returning players, lettermen, walkons, etc. need to mesh. Games are won and loss by the cohesion factor.
tex: with brewster coming in and changing everything, he was going to tank season number one regardless of any and everything else. In fact, he came in talking about at least TWO, (count ‘em) THROW AWA”Y sesons. He used North Carolina as his example. brewster fully expects one win seasons or zero win seasons based upon the North Carolina scheme.
The U of M is getting exactly what mac-turi deserves. Zero big Ten wins in 2007. 1-11 for the easiest schedule in the modern day era.
You make excuses for brewster and I will always have to contrasgt your excuses with what the acutal record is.
You can call it brewster’s first recruiting class in your mind…but the records show differently. so does the record book. He is running on empty and he needs a big bag full of Big Ten wins starting in 2008.
Will brewster be up to your “one huge challenge this fall?
I want Big Ten wins! If I don’t see Big Ten wins, the truth MUST be told. You can NOT escape the reality of the situation. Big Ten wins matter in year one…year two…and so it goes.
Get your tail in gear brewster. You NEED a LOT of Big Ten wins in 20-08. You are hiding behind your feeble excuse makers brewster. Win lots of Big Ten football games or pay the price! It is up to you brewster. You can’t hide behind the skirts of the dirty excuse makers. There are NO excuses…only final records at the end of the 2008 season. Your 2008 season record will be added to your 2007 season record. Your 2008 Big Ten win total will be combined with your 2007 Big Ten win total to come up with your average for your first TWO seasons. That’s correct brewster: regardless of what tex tries to excuse…the 2008 season will be your SECOND season at Minnesota.
You will stand all alone with only your record to speak for you following the completion of the 2008 season. I want a LOT of Big Ten wins!
TG: Lipscomb has a pretty impressive list of offers. I don’t know how this year’s RB situation will pan out, but Lipscomb’s HS team ran the spread quite successfully. He had something like 1,600 yards with 4.38 - 40 time. If he even turns out to be as good as 1/2 the hype, he’ll be a great addition and future success.
Beating out LSU for this kid makes me feel very proud of the current staff.
Scooter … I hereby do apologize to all tiny children for the comparison.
Anyone who is not intelligent enough to understand the 17th ranked class gives you a better probability of winning in the future than the 65th ranked class is not smart enough to post here.
“Beating out LSU for this kid makes me feel very proud of the current staff.”
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Even mentioning Minnesota in the same breath as LSU would have been an unthinkable joke over the previous twenty years or so. Mason could not have got a LSU walk-on to take a full ride here.
Tex … The running back will be part of Brewster’s second class (2009).
I was thinking about this and I think 2009 should be considered Brewster’s first recruiting class. He had only 3 weeks to recruit his first year. His second year even though they finished 17th in the nation, experts say it takes about a year on the job before you really begin to make the in roads for recruiting.
So really, this is Brewster’s first recruiting class. Look at how many big time recruitis we have gotten so far. We are way ahead of last year.
So Wren after thinking about it, this year will really be Brewster’s first recruiting class. I thought Brewster did pretty good with the 2007 class and that was not even his first recruiting class.
It will be interesting to see how he does this year without any of his recruits on campus. If they go 6-6 that would be pretty good considering the 2009 recruits will be his first recruiting class.
Wrenbawls … You are not smart enough to post here. Byebye. And please take all your Cruding and Pantherhog aliases with you.
I am so impressed with Brew’s 17th ranked class i plan on going down on him in the plaza before our first game for all to see. Don’t worry, I won’t spit the sacred Brew Goo out!
Thank you for being who you are d_a_c, aka pantherhawk, aka derek, aka jimbo, aka all the smut mouthed fools you post as.
You give me all the chances in the world to calmly evaluate berwster’s real record. I look at the truth that record conveys as the ultimate truth about the leadership at the U of M.
I only post the numbers. They can not be debated. You can make excuses, attempt to call me names, try all of your filthy/smut-mouthed end arounds and attempt to confuse the facts with your hype and spin moves.
In the end, I continue to post and I am always who I am WHEN I actually do post.
Chip, you continue to run a blog that allows the lowest forms of internet moral abandonment and decay. You lend your name to this? Well, that, of course is your choice. If you want to enable this kind of sleeze and filth and dishonesty, that is entirely up to you. You can live with it. Is this really what you intended this blog to be? Set your goals and your standards higher Chip.
Yes, by all means goldohfour: consider brewster’s third season coaching to be his first season of recruiting. That is fine with me. After all, has there ever been a coach who had three sesons to have their first recruiting class? Why, unless he starts winning LOTS of Big Ten football games, that way his first year of recruiting may actually be his LAST year of coaching. Now THAT would be some kind of spin…
Wrensmutpeddler … When was Mason’s first class that did not consist entirely of one-stars and walkons?
Probably the same year you accomplished anything, right?
Man, miss two days on this blog and now I have to go back and re-read all of wren’s posts. They are all so original and thought provoking.
OK, I’m caught up. Brewster needs Big Ten wins. Did I miss anything?
wren, this asshole newspaper is a cunt hair away from bankruptcy so who really gives a fuck?
thewrenagain says:
May 5th, 2008 at 8:49 am
…Chip, you continue to run a blog that allows the lowest forms of internet moral abandonment and decay.
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wren/dumbass/moron, I have a feeling there are other sites that may exhibit lower forms of “internet moral abandonment and decay.” As a matter of fact, I’m quite certain you are a frequent visitor/patron of these sites.
If you would have been paying attention last week, you would know that Chip is now on vacation, so addressing your lame pleas to him is falling on deaf ears. Get a life, loser.
Thank you for the opportunity to tell it like it is d_a_c: brewster is 0-8 in Big Ten play. Mason totally failed, very miserable in every aspect. He was fired after ten seasons and being essential in getting the stadium deal done. So, quit thinking that I give a rip about Mason.
What the real data shows us is that brewster has ZERO Big Ten wins and a lifetime record of 1-11. The failed Mason’s one star and two star nothing recruits did manage to get Big Ten wins. Now, what has brewster done?
ONLY the actual records can tell the whole story d_a_c. You can’t spin the records. They are what they are. You can try to get people to ignore the truth. You can spew your smut and call people names. But that is all you have to sell in the end d_a_c: your smut and the names you call people. You are bankrup. You are afraid of the truth. You try to alter the perception of the actual records. You will lose that game d_a_c. The truth always prevails in the final analysis.
brewster’s only hope is to win a lot of Big Ten football games starting in 2008. I hope he does it…because the alternative would be too painful to watch. Another 2007 season would for the most part kill the near term future of this program…new stadium or not.
jimbo: thank you for writing a mean-spirited, name calling post so that I may respond.
This is exactly what Chip said:
“Now that spring ball is finished I’ll be on vacation for a few weeks but I’ll check in here if anything develops. Talk to you soon…”
jeff: he has the new stadium, macturi wrote him a blank check to hire a staff. What else, other than Big Ten…even ooc wins has brewster not been given.
What else matters other than running a clean program, graduation ever increasing numbers of players and Big Ten wins matters?
Nothing…absolutely nothing! brewster needs a LOT of Big Ten wins in a very short period of time.
Wren, so he needs a lot of Big Ten wins…is that what you’re trying to say?
Wrenbawls … Go ahead, monkey, continue with your lies that Mason had something to do with the stadium. Hilarious and only you are stupid enough to say it.
So, you LOVED the 2007 Big Ten zero for eight record? Do you not think the Big Ten games matter? Is that what you are trying to say?
I love you, Jumbo! Lets get a cheap motel room and make wild passionate man love all day while our wives have to work to support are soggy asses!
So, you LOVED the 2007 Big Ten zero for eight record? Do you not think the Big Ten games matter? Is that what you are trying to say?
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I indicated my fondness for last season how?
Dac, are you guys up for a 3some?!
I’m begginging to think this blog has turned into a pornographic site! I think it is getting ridiculous. We are here to talk about football!
G04–I agree. Whoever is posting the garbage is pathetic. I still can’t get over the fact the Gophers got a running back both LSU and Oklahoma wanted (albeit a verbal at this stage).
gold04 says:
May 4th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Correction that was 3rd in the Big Ten, Wisconsinite. Brewster may not work out, but if Badger fans and Iowa fans are starting to come here and check out these Gopher sites you know they think something big might happen. If I was a Badger or Iowa fan, I would not bother showing up on this site. Why waste my time for a 1-11 team?
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BINGO. If they really thought we wouldn’t have a team that could beat them, they wouldn’t even show. Big Enema is wowing the paint thinner nation with his recruiting, which is why they have plenty of time to spout off on all Gopher sites.
thewrenagain says:
May 5th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Thank you for being who you are d_a_c, aka pantherhawk, aka derek, aka jimbo, aka all the smut mouthed fools you post as.
You give me all the chances in the world to calmly evaluate berwster’s real record. I look at the truth that record conveys as the ultimate truth about the leadership at the U of M.
I only post the numbers. They can not be debated. You can make excuses, attempt to call me names, try all of your filthy/smut-mouthed end arounds and attempt to confuse the facts with your hype and spin moves.
In the end, I continue to post and I am always who I am WHEN I actually do post.
Chip, you continue to run a blog that allows the lowest forms of internet moral abandonment and decay. You lend your name to this? Well, that, of course is your choice. If you want to enable this kind of sleeze and filth and dishonesty, that is entirely up to you. You can live with it. Is this really what you intended this blog to be? Set your goals and your standards higher Chip.
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The loser who has been banned from every other Gopher board on the net is trashing Chip. LMAOR.
No, Jeff, sorry! I am in love with Jumbo.
thewrenagain says:
May 5th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Thank you for being who you are d_a_c, aka pantherhawk, aka derek, aka jimbo, aka all the smut mouthed fools you post as.
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Hey Mr shortbus, you might be able to see that I only post here during my lunch hour. If you have an ounce of intelligence, you’d know who is posting garbage and who isn’t by their IP address.
What I find funny is how you are posting garbage against yourself and trying to throw it on other people crying wolf to Chip. You know if Chip does start banning people you will be one of the first ones gone. Congrats pigeon fan, your recrod will still be intact.
If you have an ounce of intelligence, you’d know who is posting garbage and who isn’t by their IP address.
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What a big, dum, adult ButtHead. Never hear of a proxy there Mr ButtPlay?
Listen to Dirk the Internet detective and Brain Surgeon! Whewwwww—–oui!!!!!!!!!! Hey Bill Gates, post my IP?!? LMFAO!!!
Guys,
Something needs to be done to clean up this site. It is know where near what Chip thought it would be. It needs to be shut down or people need to start getting kicked off. I always thought ESPN college message boards were bad but this is takes the cake. Really if I were Chip, I’d probably shut the whole thing down.
I’m not so sure why everyone is looking to Chip Scoggins to police this site. The simple solution to miscreants such as wren, Looney, Panther Hogeye, Crude-boy, etc. is to ignore them and don’t respond to their childish behavior. Whoever considers it funny to post under another’s moniker needs to take a serious look at his/her pathetic life, and get some help.
I don’t want this shut down, and if anyone is seriously offended, there is a very simple solution: don’t read it anymore. Duh!
I so proud of you Jimmy! No wonder Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii love to love you baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabyyyy! mmmmmwhaaach!
Whoever, you are, I hope you realize how foolish and asinine you are. You do understand that you are the ONLY person on this site who thinks you’re idiotic postings under other names are funny. You are obviously from either Iowa or North Dakota. Even a Wisconsinite wouldn’t stoop as low as you.
By the way, I found it funny that ruppert from gh was out here threatening wren earlier. Now is ruppert going to beat up wren, or will it be his 6-5, 250 pound son? Last fall his son was going to beat me up at the NDSU game. Although, I’m quite sure ruppert could have handled the task himself.
So wren, you and I have something in common. ruppert wants to beat up both of us.
I finally have a bit of time available, so I’m going to become like d_a(sp)_c.
I would guess a lot of you remember that I was a Brewster-Basher during the season last fall. As a matter of fact, I was one of the biggest targets of the ire of d_a(sp)_c. I changed my tune when Brewster brought in the highly rated recruiting class. I think the guy CAN become successful, and I want him to be successful more than I want anything else as a sports fan. His game-day coaching still needs to be proven, but let’s cut him some slack: Pete Carroll couldn’t have won with that cast of characters we had on the field last year. And I think his defensive coordinator gave up on his squad after the 3rd game last year. Not very condusive to winning.
So I’m going to be patient this year, but not much beyond. I think the Gophers need to win at LEAST 4 games in 2008 for Brewster to continue as coach. And I think in 2009, he’ll need to post at least 7 wins to keep his job. Otherwise, mediocrity will continue to plague the program.
No matter what, I will be at every game I’m able to attend until I’m physically unable (hopefully 40 years from now-I’ll be 98!) And I will be cheering my heart out for our team. I love the Gophers and I love my school.
Go Gophers!!
Jumbo … Your key words above are “changed my tune” based on the staff’s success with its first real recruiting class.
By that you prove you are a fan first and foremost. You are able to see improvement and hope and to give the coach a chance to develop his team.
Wren, Loon, and the other fruitcake pornographers posting here have no interest in the Gophers. There is nothing in the world Brewster could ever do to make them stop trying to undermine him.
For those of us who love our school and put the Gophers at the top of our sports world, we want to find hope and optimism. I am finding it in Brewster’s 2008 recruiting class, his being able to land Carufel, his ability to get early commitments from Alipate and the RB from Texas and the hiring of Roof.
In retrospect I do agree that Withers was not a good hire as initial D coordinator. Certainly he had very little talent but it also seemed that he lost interest in trying to develop it. In fairness to him, the defense got a little more respectable during the last two games against Hoggy and Whisky. But Roof seems to be the right guy at the right time for our program.
There can be no debate with morons who will actually argue there is no difference between a great recruiting class and a poor one. That is stupidity beyond any description.
My only caution is against picking an arbitrary number of wins each year that the coach must win to keep his job. I don’t see it that way. Intelligent people can see the direction the program is going and see the upgrades in talent.
I would not fire a coach in the second year for winning four games instead of five. I need to watch those games and judge how we competed and how well we were prepared to play. Having said that, I will be disappointed if we don’t win six games in 2008.
JImbo–your patience will be rewarded. I am glad you came around to giving Brewster a fair shot. The Gophers could be one of the big CFB stories this season. Sounds crazy, but that opener agst. No. Ill. is a huge game. Sets the tone, creates momentum, builds confidence. It is going to be a real challenge to get all the new guys (JC’s and freshmen) ready to play and the team to have some sort of unity in a short period of time. Last year’s loss to Bowling Green hurt in more ways than loss category. I
would try and create an atmosphere of urgency and anticipation for the opener this year. Make NI out to be USC.
Jimbo,
You and I pretty much echoed the same sentiments about Brewster, except that he needs X amount of wins during this season. I believe that the administration will honesty give him a minimum of 3 years. Anything less would do longterm damage to the program in finding a replacement.
Anyway, with some of the youngsters getting PT last year, incoming JUCO, stronger showing against IA/WI last year, I’m looking for a 5 win season. I think that without having an established O-line will be this teams weak point during the season.
In Texas, I learned to sit on “funsticks” as big as baseball bats because everything is bigger in Texas! If you are queer and gopher, flaunt it baby! yeeeeeeeeee..heeeeeeeeee…haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…….ride me cowboys!
d_a(sp)_c, the number of wins IS arbitrary, but I really think those are probably the numbers he has to achieve to stay off the hotseat. Even at 4 wins this year, the Looneys and wrens of the world will bitch. (Actually they’d bitch with 10 wins this year because we cheated.) And actually, 7 wins by 2009 is not unreasonable. I’d say if he’s at 5 or less in 2009, he will likely be in trouble.
But like I said, I’ll be there through thick and thin. I do believe this coaching staff can and will be successful, and I’m hoping Brewster becomes one of the elite coaches in college football. (When he does, I have a great picture of him, Mrs. Jimbo and me that was taken at the pep fest the evening before the Northwestern game last year. I’ll be able to say he’s a close personal friend of mine!)
Jumbo … My point is the same as the one made by Mike just above. He’s not going anywhere after two years no matter what.
How could you ever hire a new coach into a down program where they pull the trigger on you in two years? How could anyone ever come in here and recruit again? Especially after Brewster has done such a magnificent job recruiting in a short time?
But even though I don’t believe you can set an early win requirement, I still believe that anything under six wins this year will be a big disappointment.
There just is no reason why a young team with some experience last year and an infusion of talent this year can’t win half their games. And as weak as we were in talent last season, we were still within a TD in six of the losses.
Hang tight and enjoy the ride. We are coming on strong. The Gopher haters like Loon and the excretable Wrenbawlbaby are losers again.
That is a FINE bragging point d_a_c. Thank you for bringing that point up. Why didn’t the team win some of those games…even just half of them? The coaching staff failed to put the talent they did have in a position to win close games rather than to lose close games. In other words, the coaching staff was too far into their concept that year number one was a throw away season. All too often, the coaching staff didn’t have the team ready to go at kickoff. They fell behind by 14 or more points to start the games. The coaching staff has to take all the blame for that.
In fact, in the college game, the coaching staff always takes all the blame for all of the losses. That is a hard, cold fact of life. Every one of those losses in 2007 goes directly on brwester’s little head That is the way it works in college football. brewster decided the schemes and the style ball. And he failed to win the close games.
Has he learned from his mistakes or does he think he has a second throw away season. Listening to the jimbo/d_a_c lovefest of mutual admiration, it sound as though they think brewster will tank year number two as well. 4 wins….5 wins? What a joke! That would make brewster 5-19 or 6-18. It would mean no more than 1 or 2 Big Ten wins to make brewster 2-14 or 1-15 in Big Ten play.
What a pathetic best case picture the jimbo/d_a_c mutual admiration society paints. The name callers don’t exactly dream or live large. 4-8 or 5-7 only means about 1 or 2 Big Ten wins. That is NOT enough.
With expectations like that…with the incredibly easy schedule, jimbo/d_a_c appear to have given up on Gopher Football.
7-5 at the very least is what brewster needs to win. Sure, if he goes 4-8, he’ll get a third season to gm/recruit…but…he will have one foot in the coache’s graveyard unless he goes about 11=2 in 2009.
You are a sewer of stupidity.
d_a_x: all you can do is sink to the level of natural waste that you live in. That hole in you head is starting to reek. Have them drain the wound and change the dressings. I suppose it was an aborted suicide attempt gone awry. You seem to crash to the depths of human kind all too often, d_a_c. Is that the wind I can hear blowing through that nasty cranial opening again?
Some of your new football recruits on campus already or is this just some of the “team” acting up AGAIN over at good old RapeU:
http://www.startribune.com/local/18678554.html
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
I see you’re putting that University of Iowa degree to good use Pantherhogbreath. That cutting and pasting can be very challenging.
PantherHawk,
FYI, the University of Minnesota campus resides inside Minneapolis, a city with a fair amount of crime. It’s not a campus that’s bordered by cornfields on all sides. More than likely, the suspect isn’t a student. Now back to your regularly scheduled hog report…
ya, its almost as challenging as gang-banging a drunk girl senseless!!!!!!
RapeU, thats you!! LMAO!!
Can you imagine how low the crime statistics might go if the didn’t have the University of Iowa football team?
http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805030322
DAC, sense you love to live in the rivals recruiting world of college football explain this. Of the top 250 players in the country according to rivals, the Big ten schools stack up like this so far. OSU has #22,26,29,53,54,76,98,154,178,&224. Michigan has 23,39,47,&176. MSU has 58,94,233,237,&243. Ill has 211 &235. Iowa has 101 and Wisconsin has 162. MN has 212. Now what sets us apart from any of the top schools in the Big Ten. Sense we already know this coaching staff will not out coach any of the other Big Ten staffs the early returns put us in 6th place. With the recruiting class ranked at 17 this year I would think the by 2009 we should at least finish third or higher in the Big Ten. And by the way I do not see Alipate ranked in the top 250 players in the country. I thought you had posted earlier this year that he was the 57th ranked player in the country.
“Since,” not “sense,” Bud.
Was Looney Toons one of your high school teachers?
wren, I know you like repetition, so I’ll say this once again.
You’re an idiot.
Thanks Jimbo, it must have been the coffee an donut that I was throwing down, Not really, you do not have to slip to the level of calling others names on the site. We already have enough of that with certain individuals. I attended a high school in a state where english was the second language. I do not think Loon would have been caught dead in that state.
Thank you jimbo: coming from you that is a real compliment. You are, of course, d_a_c. We all know what you do as d_a_c.
Jimbo says:
May 6th, 2008 at 7:49 am
I see you’re putting that University of Iowa degree to good use Pantherhogbreath. That cutting and pasting can be very challenging.
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Then you go and do the same thing:
Jimbo says:
May 6th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Can you imagine how low the crime statistics might go if the didn’t have the University of Iowa football team?
http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805030322
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lol….Dude, are you dumber than a sack of hammers? LMAO!
Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy calling someone dumb: now THAT’S irony!
wren, just so you know, I am not d_a(sp)_c, and he is not me. I can see how you may get us confused: intelligent, articulate, talented, true Gopher fans……
lol….Dude, are you dumber than a sack of hammers? LMAO!
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Sack of hammers? The exact same phrase Recruiting used on this page on May 2nd. What a coincidence. Either the same person or in a committed relationship.
He’s also the same sicko who posts under other people’s names. Obviously a lower life form.
HawkeyeThugs says:
May 6th, 2008 at 9:56 am
lol….Dude, are you dumber than a sack of hammers? LMAO!
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Sack of hammers? The exact same phrase Recruiting used on this page on May 2nd. What a coincidence. Either the same person or in a committed relationship.
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Having trouble finding that, DAC-off?! Could you post it up as soon as Jimbo unloads?!!!
Why do people continue to post under each others names? It’s obvious that nobody is fooled by it. It’s amazing how anti-social and childish some people can act. Obviously they are lacking human interaction, i.e. lack of girlfriend/wife, family, and or friends.
From Bud, “And by the way I do not see Alipate ranked in the top 250 players in the country. I thought you had posted earlier this year that he was the 57th ranked player in the country.”
Actually, at that point in time he was ranked 57th. According to Rivals, that ranking was based on seeing Moses in person at one of the camps (supposedly his throwing mechanics were the best of the quarterbacks there — that and the fact that he is 6′5″ and 230 lbs.). The current rating (he is currently out of the top 250) is supposedly based on Rivals’ analysts viewing of tapes from last season.
Of course the rankings are going to change several times between now and next February so, who knows?
Opps, almost forgot one of the interesting aspects of Alipate’s recruitment. He has a cousin (Xavier Su’a Filo) that is a junior offensive lineman in Utah who is a rivals’ four-star. His cousin’s best friend (John Martinez) is also a four-star OL. Family friends of Moses, include the family of Manti Te’o (a linebacker) who is currently the seventh ranked player on rivals. The rumor is that they are all going to visit the U of Minn. sometime during the recruiting season.
pokeintheeye says:
May 6th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Opps, almost forgot one of the interesting aspects of Alipate’s recruitment. He has a cousin (Xavier Su’a Filo) that is a junior offensive lineman in Utah who is a rivals’ four-star. His cousin’s best friend (John Martinez) is also a four-star OL. Family friends of Moses, include the family of Manti Te’o (a linebacker) who is currently the seventh ranked player on rivals. The rumor is that they are all going to visit the U of Minn. sometime during the recruiting season.
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Sounds lika damn pack a queers ta me for shore
whut a way game isa ever one a goin ta this year? I is goin ta OSU, wood luv ta go to wisky butt got beay up pretty there a few years back hust fer bein a gopher fan
HawkeyeThugs says:
May 6th, 2008 at 9:56 am
lol….Dude, are you dumber than a sack of hammers? LMAO!
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Sack of hammers? The exact same phrase Recruiting used on this page on May 2nd. What a coincidence. Either the same person or in a committed relationship.
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Thugs, pay attention!!! I told you the loser was both “posters” months ago.
Unless they are seperate personalities which have a committed realstionship………
Jimbo says:
May 6th, 2008 at 10:01 am
He’s also the same sicko who posts under other people’s names. Obviously a lower life form.
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Poor PH, basically every person ever to visit the net mocks his exisitence.
Hello Derek Dumbass! Why would i use other names when i am proud to say whatever i fucking feel like under this name??? Now hurry “down” to the 90’s for your lunch of TubeSteak and warm milk! LMAO!
Whatever you say Recruiting. Hang on to those hammers.
Pantherhogeye/Crudeboy, you use other names beacause you are a sick, pathetic excuse for a human being, and have no life outside of posting on this blog.
Have fun on your date with Rosey Palm tonight.
Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy, your obsession with the gay lifestyle is, frankly, disturbing.
I think all gay men in the area should be concerned, as it is apparent that Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy is seriously yearning for an encounter, and is too hideous to legitimately meet someone. He is a prime candidate to perpetrate a sexual assault on another gay man.
Be careful and aware.
Bud … Sense you make no since, I will try to alleviate your confusion.
Please contact Rivals directly to find out how they rank recruiting classes. If they tell you they made a mistake and Minnesota is really the 6th best class in the Big Ten rather than the 3rd best, let us know right away.
But as long as I find Minnesota ranked 17th in the nation and 3rd best in the Big Ten on their website, I will continue to believe that.
At the time Alipate committed to the Gophers he was listed as the 57th best player overall in the 2009 class. I have no idea why that changed but again, sense it makes no since, I recommend you contact Rivals directly and find out. I did hear that he was injured a little and didn’t play all the games his junior year. That might have downgraded him somewhat.
I am impressed by a) the fact he was rated 57th; b) was a bigtime target for several schools; c) he’s 6′5 and 230 as a junior; and d) his dad played in the NFL.
Now if you think he is not worth a scholarship, just say so. Go on record as saying it, why not, instead of just sniping at him.
Now back to the music, a tune from the Righteous Brothers “SENSE YOUR GONE, BUD MAKES NO SINCE”.
“Have fun on your date with Rosey Palm tonight.”
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Did the pornographer actually name one of the sows in the hog barn Rosey Palm? Sense when did that make since?
” … think all gay men in the area should be concerned, as it is apparent that Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy is seriously yearning for an encounter, and is too hideous to legitimately meet someone.”
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On the contrary, he is the creator, founder, and President of the IMFALA. Plenty of opportunities there.
“Rosey Palm” is a condition resulting from excessive self-gratification. Clearly Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy spends a lot of time in this endeavor.
d_a(sp)_c, what does IMFALA stand for? That’s a new one to me.
Jumbo … Thought you knew. Pantherhogshittforbreath/Crudeboy has enjoyed so many years of relationships with NAMBLA (North America Man Boy Love Association) that he founded IMFALA (Iowa Man Farm Animal Love Association).
I see. Is that a not-for-profit organization?
I’ve posted this before, but the situation warrants an encore. Hell, wren posts the same thing thousands of times.
A picture of Pantherhogbreath/Crudeboy’s main squeeze. Check out that set of teats!
Oh, by the way, I’m picking the Iowa State Cyclones as a 4-touchdown favorite over the Hogeyes in their game this fall.
This year’s game is being played at Kinnick Stadium, aka Iowa Penitentiary.
Jumbo … A long marriage does not necessarily mean “main squeeze”. My guess is that he founded IMFALA in order to get access to a lot of younger sows and the occassional barrow.
Now, do you think Wren really is Pantherhogbreath/CrudeBoy IMFALA founder?
Jimbo nice pig, but the only thing hawk wants is in the rear. Not even that sweetie would like to look at the hawk.
Are Jimbo and david_allen_coe the new wren and loon act?
Whinedall, is there any limit to your stupidity?
No, Norman, d_a(sp)_c and I are everything that wren and Looney are not: intelligent, witty, articulate, educated, rational, successful, and primarily, true Gopher fans.
Plus we are deeply and madly in love where loon and wren were only using each other for sex.
1-11 gopherhole dudes and dudettes. 0-8 in 2007. That is all you need to know and the ONLY real thing that has happened in the Gopher Football Program since prexy b and macturi did their hack job to the football program. The other thing you need to know is that they brough in a real coach to coach the hoops program and a pretend gm/recruiter to manage the football program.
The ONLY thing that will save the near-term future of the football program is a LOT of Big Ten wins. Every loss the gm/recruiter directs in 2008 is another indication that his coaching career is totally headed in the wrong direction.
It will be “come to Jesus” time between the end of August and the 22nd of November. 2008. for the administration and the current gm/recruiting staff.
ONLY Big Ten wins will help. That is all any of you need to know.
The good thing is that in 2008, even the home Big Ten schedule lines up on the administration/gm/recruiter’s side! iowa, Indidan and NU come into the dome for 3/4’s of the home Big Ten schedule. Considering the strength (or lack of strength) of these three Big Ten teams, it will probably very seldom get AN”Y better than that. Those are 3 Big Ten wins just begging to happen. Only gross gm/recruiting/coaching incompetence can change those three sure wins into losses. And, Michigan certainly will be somewhat “off”. There is no reason to say 4-0 during the home portion of the Big Ten schedule is impossible. A superior gming/recruiting/coachingcould certainly have a perfect home schedule for a total of at LEAST 7 wins in 2008. Any less than that and things are looking really grim for 2009, when the schedule will NOT be as favorable as it has been during the 2007 and 2008 seasons. In a sense: the schedule is 80% of the battle. How the gm/recruiter/administration went 0-8 in the big Ten and 1-11 overall in 2007 is a question for the ages. It will most likely haunt them during the remaining years of their tenure.
Wayne, have you seen my leather gag and blindfold?
Wren,
I have another question for the ages. How was Brewster able to take us to the Rose Bowl in 2009?
The simple answer is: he wasn’t. He won’t. He is not capable. We are wasting our time.
A high profile, more experienced coach was needed when Mason was fired. It is as simple as that.
Macturi did not go that route. It is as simple as that.
We are basically screwed. It is as simple as that.
macturi and prexy b did a number on the football program. It really is that simple.
So, wren, why don’t you just walk away? Brewster is here through at least 2009, Bruininks will not lose his job because of the football program, and Maturi is assured of at least 5 more years thanks to the Tubby hire. Obviously, the situation makes you terribly unhappy and cranky.
We really don’t need “fans” like you. Please, please, start following Iowa or Wisconsin. Your personality is more in line with their fans, anyway.
I’m very patient. I have always been a Gopher Football Fan. I’m tough as hell!
I will continue to tell it like it is. I will push for new administration because the U of M has so many academic challenges and financial challenges that new leadership is needed in the worst way. prexy b has had his day and has been the interm guy between the last good prexy (prexy y) and who ever the new prexy will be. Let prexy b just keep raising tuition by 9.5% to 15% each year. Eventually he will step down (I suspect this will happen in December of 2009. Age and energy constraints are catching up with him. fresh new leadership is needed.
The U of M has lost much ground in academic ratings and rankings since the 1960’s. The leadership they had in the 60’s was weak. It has been weak ever since then with the exception of prexy y.
The U of M has many serious challenges facing it.
So: as far as the football program is concerned, having a disaster for a few more years won’t be cause for me to leave. I will talk about what I see happening. I will present contrast to the kool-aid talker and boosters. They will be selling their new flavor of kool-aid when the new coach comes in any way. They don’t bother too much with being loyal to anyone…they will sell what ever they think they have to sell. They will bash anyone who does not agree with them. I know the drill. It just insures that I will stick to my philosophy of saying what I think and commenting on what I see happening.
I also think macturi’s age will force him to announce he will be stepping down in December of 2009 as well. He’s not getting any younger either.
Wren,
For the last time, a minimum of 7 wins for the upcoming season does not mean that things will be “looking very grim for 2009.” Even though this team won just one game last year, 5 or 6 wins this year would be a great improvement. At the most, the previous administration would have only netted 3 wins max this past year, due to the lack of talent.
As far as 2009, that is when we should expect a minimum of 7 wins. Anything less and we’re no better than the last administration. Should we gain 5-6 wins this year and 7-8 in the following year, nobody except yourself is going to give a hoot about what happened during the 2007 season.
Wren,
What high profile coach was available at the time Mason was fired?
Interesting. You’re either senile, wren, or are in some state of denial. The worst thing to ever happen to the U of M Athletic Department (the Clem Haskins academic fraud incident) happened under Yudof (according to you, the last good president) and McKinley Boston (Athletic Director and “football guy.”) The second worst thing (moving football off campus) happened under President C. Peter Magrath (a totally forgettable character) and Athletic Director Paul Giel (another “football guy.”)
Give me a break.
Prove that the previous staff would have had only 3 wins in 2007. You are stating your opinion and it is based totally on your biased and distorted personal opinion. You can never prove what your opinion states. You try to make excuses for brewster based upon your opinion of what any other coach would have done in 2007. Your opinion counts for nothing more than your opinion.
Re: what high profile coach was available when Mason was fired? THAT is macturi’s and prexy b’s baby. They should have had their high profile, experienced coach ALL lined up before they made a big move. They made a big move and then they started scrambling. Personally, I think they were disgusted they would have to try to pay for the football stadium that signing Mason to a five year extension the year before got them and they though that new stadium buzz would be enough that they could get by with an inexperienced nobody for a football coach for a few years. They thought the fools would be so greatful to get a new stadium that it really didn’t matter who they plugged in as the coach.
Tubby was being forced out at Kentucky…he fell into their laps.
prexy b and macturi really had no plan. Things just kind of happened.
Look at the great lengths they went to to keep Mason around so that they could get a new stadium backed by the state legislators. They axed Mason the year after that happened. They had been planning to axe him all along. They almost didn’t even extend his contract and only did it because they heard “footsteps” and feared they couldn’t get the stadium without Mason. They never should have extended him…but…then, we wouldn’t be looking at a new stadium either. They had NO plan for a high-powered football coach and they thought the idiot fans would be so happy with a new stadium that football wins and losses wouldn’t matter in the least for about five years.
They thought they could groove and skate right on down the road to their retirements being remembered as the adminsitration that brought football back to the campus. Wins? Why would they care about Big Ten wins? They thought their job was done and their headaches were over.
Then brewster went 1-11 and 0-8 in the Big Ten in 2007. Suddenly, the good will was not as certain. Suddenly, there is a need for a real football coach who can win Big Ten games came back into focus. Suddenly the coolness of the new stadium itself is NOT enough. Big Ten football wins are a MUST!
Wren never says anything new, he just likes to type the same old crap over and over and over and,over and over and over.
jimbo: don’t be a FOOL. The haskins academic fraud scandal had been going on for YEARS before prexy y arrived on the scene. What kind of a senile spinner are you any way. prexy h oversaw the haskins scandal with a blind eye. When did prexy y arrive? 1996/97 or something like that. Heck, haskins had done his deeds long before prexy y arrived. You are out to lunch jimbo. Come on, you KNOW that a lot of what haskins did had been going on for over a decade and was never even uncovered officially. It starte a LONG, LONG time before prexy y came on the scene. Give me a break. Certainly you have some concept of the smoking gun and the TIME LINE that haskins cheated under. Beleive me, it wasn’t prexy y. However, prexy y did hold the penalty down to a “near death” situatiion for men’s hoops. It probably should have been a “death penalty” and prexy h most certainly would have just killed the hoops program rather than to have to go to the lengths prexy y went to as he saved the hoops program. Use your head jimbo…for once just use your head.
Here are the facts:
1) The notion an itinerant football coach with no ties to Minnesota had something to do with the new stadium is too funny for words. Just hilarious. Mason’s only focus was on getting a better job.
2) No high profile coach was available or even interested in the Minnesota job.
3) We could have hired a young coach out of the MAC or another smaller conference. But that would have been another unproven guy with no ability to recruit at a losing program like Minnesota.
4) Maturi instead made a brilliant hire by bringing in the only guy or at least one of a small handful who could recruit real talent to the Gopher program.
5) For at least the first two years, recruiting is 60% of the effort and requirement. That is what counts. Nobody can win in the Big Ten without Big Ten talent. Mason had slept his last three recruiting seasons and left hardly any Big Ten talent.
I can coach Ohio State and win but Jim Tressel can’t coach Minnesota because he couldn’t get Big Ten talent to come here and play for him. It’s that simple.
Top players go to Ohio State and other high profile programs because of the school’s reputation for football, not the coach. When you have a totally down program like Minnesota, nobody comes for the school, only because of a coach who shows them an inspiring vision that they believe.
Smoke what you want to smoke d_a_c and drink what you want to drink. Mason pitched the naming rights deal to Cooper at TCB and pitched the stadium to the state legislators. THAT is fact. prexy b and macturi extended Mason when they had let his contract run down to zero time left. Why? The stadium deal was not a done deal at that time. The pair of administrators were so incompetent left to their own devices they KNEW they needed Mason in place to get the stadium.
It is “come to Jesus” time for the 2008 season between the end of August and November 22nd. We will have MUCH to discuss week by week. Are you looking for brewster’s first real win to come in the first Big Ten game of the season out at Columbus? Smoke what you smoke and drink what you drink, but don’t think you are convincing everyone of anything. brewster has to show me a lot on Game Day Saturdays and if and when he EVER does, I’ll acknowlege it. Until then, he has shown me NOTHING.
Wow, wren, talk about spinning the truth to make a nonsensical point! OK, so it was Nils Hasselmo’s fault. So explain Boston and Dienhart. Yudof had the Lou Holtz syndrome going for him: he was here until his “dream job” came along. He really wasn’t here long enought to create any kind of legacy, so saying he was a “good” president is absolute BS. Personally, I think he’s an arrogant a**hole for dumping the U of M for Texas as he did. Undoubtedly a fine academician (as is Bruininks), but also only looking out for himself.
I wish you would consider becoming a Hogeye fan; it would be so much more fitting for your intelligence and demeanor.
As a matter of fact, wren, I will make a generous contribution to your relocation fund when you decide to move to Ottumwa.
It looks to me as though he brought a sense of vision and he quickly put the entire East Bank in fast motion rehab. He raised about 2.25 billion for the campaign that rescued the U of M campus forom the decades of neglect that previous administrators had let the campus slip into. He brought new vision for the sciences and rehabbed the research arm of the U of M.
The only mistake he made was in hand-picking prexy b to take over as interm prexy when he left. That was a bit short-sited, in retrospect.
Quite frankly, he left the U of M a MUCH better place than when he took it over. He probably was too good for the U of M IF you really want to check things out. The limits at the U of M are too many considering the lackluster political leadership the state has experienced during the past thirty years or so.
Personally, I am greatful that he stayed at the U of M as long as he did. He was the first prexy in the past half century who actually DID make a positive contribution to the status of the U of M.
You should have moved to Texas with him.
After Hasselmo, Moe Howard would have looked effective.
It is quite easy to predict Mason would have won no more than two or three games in 2007. The Gophers had very few Big Ten calibre players on the roster and many of those were lost during the season to injury.
Mason would have had no way to overcome that. He was not an exceptional gameday coach, average at best.
Mason’s strength was in player development. That would not have been a significant help in 2007. The Gopher program was at dead bottom and Mason himself said before he was fired it was time to start over and rebuild.
All of the above is confirmed by the fact Mason has not been offered a football coaching job at any level since being fired at Minnesota. That tells the story.
If Brewster had left Minnesota after going 1-11 there would be plenty of programs ready to hire him for his proven recruiting ability.
Wren … You are just like a stand up comic when you try to claim with a straight face a vagabond coach who had no ties to Minnesota, cared nothing about Minnesota, and tried every day to leave Minnesota for a better job, actually had some influence on anyone responsible for the stadium. Hilarious.
–Prove that the previous staff would have had only 3 wins in 2007. You are stating your opinion and it is based totally on your biased and distorted personal opinion. –
Thank you Captain Obvious. Sure, it’s my opinion and it cannot proven. However, all of the major publications had us winning between 1-4 games last year. Sports Illustrated, as your remember had us going 0-8 in the Big Ten. If all of these experts, who know more than you or I do about football, felt we were no better than a 4-8 team what does that tell you? The 07 Minnesota Gophers were a team devoid of a lot of talent, ie the cupboard was bare. If you cannot acccept that, then you truly were not paying attention the last few years.
–You try to make excuses for brewster based upon your opinion of what any other coach would have done in 2007.–
Name them.
–Your opinion counts for nothing more than your opinion.–
Duh. You already mentioned that. Is it really Ground Hog Day in your world that you feel the need to repeat everything?
Wren … Nobody needs to “show” you anything, especially a hard-working coach building the program. You are an insignificant spec of ignorance.
–Re: what high profile coach was available when Mason was fired? THAT is macturi’s and prexy b’s baby. –
No, I’m asking YOU which high profile coach was availble on the open market. Let’s hear the available names.
FYI, Glen Mason didn’t have the popularity & respect to get a stadium built by himself. It’s not like he’s Joe Paterno, Bobby Bowden, or some other coaching legend. He only exceed Kevin McHale in popularity and respect, when it came to any HC/GM. Your love & admiration for the guy is laughable. If he was such a pivotable player in the new stadium, why wouldn’t some other school snap up a guy who can make things happen on/off the field? If not as a coach, how about as an AD?
We shall see what we shall see d_a_c. You are still in favor of them keeping score in the football games aren’t you? And the team with the most points wins…right?
There aren’t too many places where they keep track of fantasy high school football rankins though. That is not an official NCAA sport, I don’t believe. Big Ten wins…the do keep track of those though.
and, mnmike: all those predictions were made when it was obvious that a new coach would change all of the systems and schemes and would try to totally revamp the offense. Remember, the smoking gun and the “time line…”
Everything would have been different if brewster wouldn’t have come in changing everything. That is why it became very easy for some to predict an 0-8 big Ten record for the team. That was based on who was coaching and what that coach was going to do to totally change everything when there was no experience returning with what the new coach wanted to change everything to.
What has been shown to real Gopher fans who care about the program is a great ability to recruit improved talent. That is the only thing that is going to ever produce a winning program.
“Everything would have been different if brewster wouldn’t have come in changing everything.”
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Very true, things would look much different today. Instead of rebuilding with a first recruiting class listed at 17th in the country, we would be looking at the same style of football and the same calibre of recruits. Same old, same old, and same old results. Maybe three conference wins a year.
Stuck in stupid, stuck in mediocrity, stuck in Wrenbawls comfort zone.
Wren,
Yes, those predictions were made with a new coach. However, no one is going to predict you going Oh-fer in the conference if you have a decent amount of talent. Any knowledgable fan would know that.
As far as changing the system, what new coaching staff doesn’t totally revamp the previous staff’s system? This isn’t the NFL, where if you come into a team that’s on the cusp of making the playoffs, and just make a few subtle changes. Once again, a knowledgable fan would know that.
–Very true, things would look much different today. Instead of rebuilding with a first recruiting class listed at 17th in the country, we would be looking at the same style of football and the same calibre of recruits. Same old, same old, and same old results. Maybe three conference wins a year.–
Exactly. Mason’s average over his tenure was a 3-5 season. While he took us from the depths of Gutekunst & Wacker, he never was able to get over the hump of being a middle of the pack at best coach.
Whine Renbawl is like a guy who wants to race in a Grand Prix event with a Ford sedan. He can’t understand the driver is not important if the car has no horsepower.
So he blames his pit crew for his lack of success.
Jimbo says:
May 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Oh, by the way, I’m picking the Iowa State Cyclones as a 4-touchdown favorite over the Hogeyes in their game this fall.
This year’s game is being played at Kinnick Stadium, aka Iowa Penitentiary.
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That would be a great nickname for Kinnick. You know, Florida is the swamp and Iowa the Penitentiary.
PantherHawk says:
May 6th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Hello Derek Dumbass! Why would i use other names when i am proud to say whatever i fucking feel like under this name??? Now hurry “down” to the 90’s for your lunch of TubeSteak and warm milk! LMAO!
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Guess a struck a nerve with the little guy. LMAOR. Poor pigeon.
How about those 14 arrested pigeons this offseason? How many are still o the team PH? You keep avoiding the question. LMAOR.
Derek,
Regarding Kinnick being named the Pen, how about naming it the Pig Pen instead? The “Pig” part covers the morbidly obese fans in the stands and the “Pen” part covers the convicts on the field.
Wren, could you elaborate? Thanks.
What Whinebawls and the rest of the ignorant haters here seem not to understand is that no coach in football history ever won a game. Victories are team victories earned by the players on the field with the guidance of the coaching staff.
The closet any coach ever came to winning a game was when Woody Hayes laid a crunching solo tackle on a Clemson player who had intercepted a pass and was running along the sideline for a TD. Even that turnout out sour when Ohio State fired him that night.
So wake up, whinebawls morons, players win football games, not coaches.
mnmike said, “Exactly. Mason’s average over his tenure was a 3-5 season. While he took us from the depths of Gutekunst & Wacker, he never was able to get over the hump of being a middle of the pack at best coach.”
You are misremembering Gutey. He managed 5-3 in the Big Ten twice in seven years. His overall winning percentage in the Big Ten was .39 compared to Glen’s scintillating .40.
I put Mason in the same category as Gutekunst. He just had bigger stiffs in the non-conference schedule.
Just so everyone remembers, Sid was instrumental in getting Gutekunst hired after Holtz walked out on the program.
Sid’s been such a big asset to Gopher football; he was instumental in getting Giel to commit to moving into the dome, and pushed for a new Gophers stadium on the St. Paul campus. There are around 4,000 students on the St. Paul campus, as opposed to 45,000 on the Minneapolis campus. You think the crowds have been shameful in the Metrodome? Imagine a St. Paul campus location.
Jimbo,
Sid did have one potentially good idea. He was pushing real hard to get Mike Shanahan (OC under Smokey Joe) consideration to replace Salem. Of course, you never know, but Mike did go on to bigger and better things.
I still remember Sid yapping about how the dome was going to improve football recruiting because the southern kids would prefer to play indoors or some such nonsense.
Bottom line was at the time they were debating about the dome, that it wasn’t going to get built if the Gophers didn’t commit to playing there. And that would have likely meant the loss of Sid’s beloved Vikings. He hasn’t cared about the welfare of the Gophers football program since the Vikings came to town. He views the Gopher football program as a distraction.
Jumbo says,
“He (Sid) views the Gopher football program as a distraction.”
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And the excretable hack socialist Reusse views the Gopher programs as something to tear down and destroy.
Sid is just stupid. Reusse is evil.
Wren, you have called the 2007 football recruits as Brewster’s first class (ignoring the fact he started on the job 2 weeks before NSD). You said it didn’t matter the current talent level on the team in 2007 because BREWSTER was the coach and BREWSTER is responsible for THIS team (even though the attrition rate during Mason’s last few years was horrible and he wasn’t all that great at recruiting to begin with). Yet in a post above you all but clear Prez Y of wrong-doing for a basketball scandal that broke during HIS tenure and blame it on the previous leader. Hmmm…
Jim, wren likes to manipulate and spin the facts to make his irrational arguments. Ignore him. He is a pathetic senile old man.
Jimbo - I understand, but it is humerous to watch him ignore posts that pin him in a corner and then copy/paste last year’s Big Ten record.
You’re right, Derek, Kinnick is a pit, as is all of Iowa City. Remember when Gang Lu opened fire on the Iowa campus on 11/1/91? I was his reloader that day.
The University of Iowa - A Leader in Mass Murder.
You know what is hilarious DAC. It is your 10:38 post from yesterday. Stating that if Brewster would have left MN after last season that many schools would have gone after him because of his proven recruiting ability. Now that is funny. None of the players have even played a game for the Gophers yet, but you have already crowned Brewster as one of the most sought after coaches in the country. I bet Callaghan would have loved to of had you as his AD.
DAC, in past posts you have used these words,idiot/moron/ignorant/racist/hogsmut/hog pornographer/low life trash merchant/smut/sleaze/smut peddler/pathetic backstabber/hoggarbage/& accused people of having sex with farm animals and being sniveling crybabies. YOU must be a very little man. It must make you feel tremendously proud to say the things you say on this post knowing you would not have the nerve to say these things to a grown mans face. The Jimbo that posted on this site last fall would not have said some of the things that the Jimbo this spring has said. You outed yourself DAC with Jimbos 5:23 pm post from yesterday. Accusing another person of being a “Pathetic Senile Old Man”. That is not Jimbo, that is you DAC. You are fooling no one.
I love the way DAC, Jeff, and Derek come to the rescue of the great recruiting factory. When it is pointed out that one of the early commits is not ranked as high as they have said he was then the excuses start to pour out. DAC chimes in with the injury angle ( always his favorite one), Derek and Jeff come up with, well maybe they have not evaluated his film yet. If Rivals had not seen film yet then how in the heck did the player get rated 57th best in the country. None of you recruit knecks have answered the question. If recruiting is the only thing that matters then how are we going to finish higher than 6th in 2008 with all of the other Big Ten schools that have a jump on us. DAC will just say that Brewster has made the other schools work harder on recruiting right.
Sorry to disappoint you, Bud, but I’m me, and have never officially met d_a(sp)_c. I am proud to reaffirm that I did, in fact, call wren a pathetic senile old man.
wren offends me on a whole different level than anyone else on this site. His constant criticism of Dr. Bruininks, whom I think is a fine man, an outstanding acamedician’ and an excellent president, is very irritating.
Football is not the most important endeavor at the University of Minnesota. Far from it.
Not to mention wren’s judgmental attitude toward all who don’t think/act like him. For example, I enjoy tailgating before the games with my friends and family. So wren says I am a hopeless drunk. I have not been “drunk” since college.
So screw wren, and screw you.
Chip—we are in desperate need of some new material. I will throw this question out: Assuming OSU wins the Big Ten next year, who do you think will get 2nd place?? Personally, I see it as wide open. Outside of OSU, I do not see a Top Ten team. Realistically (and with a little luck), I think the Gophers can competete for the #2 spot.
See, you almost had me Jimbo. I do agree with your comments about Pres. Bruininks and I have said so on this site before. Your problems with Mr. Wren are for you and him. But to close the way you did Jimbo is just not the Jimbo that was on this site last fall. Nice try DAC.
OK, sorry about that, Bud. I apologize for saying that to you. It was uncalled for. It wasn’t d_a(sp)_c, though.
Thanks for agreeing with me on Dr. Bruininks. I think he’s a fine man.
TX, you need to go on the Big Ten Network and pull up the spring game. You would have a much different picture after watching the game. Good question though. I would say in no particular order, top half teams. MSU(much improved from 2006 and getting better), Purdue (top returning QB and Joe Tillers swan song), Ill.( graduation hit them hard but now we get to see Zooks recruits play), Michigan( to much talent on defense to loose to may games), PSU( did not get to see them play last year but ditto Mich.)
Chip’s on vacation, TG.
Just as is the case with gm/recruiter brewster, I don’t find any fault with prexy b’s character. I just think that he has not handled the football program very well at all. I think he wasted millions and millions of dollars of initially funds borrowed from the General Fund of the University of Minnesota and perhaps future contributions from boosters to eventually pay for that costly, needless buyout of Coach Mason’s contract. Had he had the courage to go a couple more days at the end of the 2005 season without extending Coach Mason he neither would have had to loan the ad all that money from the general fund nor accepted contribution that could have been used to pay for the stadium instead to fund his foolish contract extension then buy out.
It shows me that perhaps his forte is NOT as an administrator. He is not fiscally responsible as far as I am concerned. Also, these huge tuition increases indicate that he is not raising enough for endowments and is perhaps, once again not too fiscally responsible.
A prexy of a college needs to have his eye to the bottom line IF an institution like the U of M is not to slip further in academic ratings, etc. Check it out, the most highly rated colleges and universities have the largest endowments. That indicates that they can retain staff and maintain less costly academic tuitions for their students.
IF too large a percentage of the cost of attending college rests on tuition, the college/university will have many difficulties maintaining the highest standards, rankings. faculty and all the rest of the bells and whistles.
I fault prexy b for falling down on the job in some of these aspects. Perhaps he should return to the classroom. Perhaps he should consider retiring. He’s a hell of a nice guy though!
By the way, jimbo, I forgive you for your crass behavior on this board. I do believe you connection with d_a_c runs very deep though. Perhaps d_a_c is better off resting quietly. His name calling and beasty stuff and his deep connection to the iowa fan is driving this site down. Have some consideration for Chip, at least.
So, once again, jimbo. Keep your cool. You always say that this stuff doesn’t make a bit of difference in your life. yet, the way you carry on, you are no snowman or even anything like an icelander.
Contrast is a good thing. Looking at the reality of a situation is a good thing. The 2007 season was a tough season. I expect much better in 2008. The gm/recruiter needs lots of big Ten wins. So do the players and the fans.
Bud— I believe the team that takes the field in the opener and the one you saw play the spring game will look like two totally different teams. This is where Brewster is going to have his work cut out. He has to have a new bunch of guys meshed with the old and ready to play in a short period of time. An opening game win is crucial. I see Bowling as a “must win” game. I have seen whole seasons hinge on a game like this one-BG v. UM.
Let’s forget for a minute, wren, that you think Brewster is unqualified, and you think Maturi and Bruininks are incompetent.
Sure, it looks silly that Mason’s contract was extended, then teminated and bought out. It seems to me, though, that Maturi and Bruininks made a business decision.
After the Texas Tech debacle, the administration realized that the football program was going nowhere, and that support for the program would erode at an even faster pace after the disppointment in Tempe, if nothing were done. So, right or wrong, they made a decision to spend the money to replace Mason. Whether or not they made the right choice for his replacement remains to be seen, but there are some very encouraging signs, in my opinion. I’m more optimistic about the program this year than I have been for many years.
I guess my feeling is that if we’re filling TCF Bank Stadium in 2010 and beyond, the dollars used to buy out Mason was money well spent. Like in any business, investments needed to be made for future growth and profit.
Mason would not have been fired had they not blown the game at the end of 2006. The decision to replace him was sound.
And Bruininks is a fine and qualified University president.
I walked out of Sun Devil Stadium after Minnesota gave up a 31 POINT LEAD and knew that Mason has to go. 21 point lead to Michigan in 2003. 24 point lead to NC State in 2000. 21 point lead to Northwestern. 12 point lead with five minutes to play at Penn State in 1997. 10 point lead with 2 minutes to play vs. Wisconsin in 2005. Last seven trips to Wisconsin and Iowa…0-7 and 44 points allowed each game.
Don’t know if there’s a coach in the country with that resume’.
The Gophers will need to win, at least, one (1) Big Ten football game before I will write that they are going to contend for 2nd place in the Big Ten this year. I know, I know, who cares about the past when we have recruiting stars from the experts.
I would. We need to contend for 10th place in the BT before we contend for 2nd (3rd, 4th, 5th, ……9th, etc.) I would like to see us seriously contend with Northern Illinois University.
Mason was not fired over the Texas Tech game. Had we won that game or any other game that season, Mason was gone once the stadium deal was signed. You will all note that Bruinicks has never said otherwise. He knows why Mason was bought out. “Plausable Deniability”.
Jeff– point well taken. Anyone who would rather have Mason still in charge, and not be pumped up about what Brewster is doing, is either a masochist or ignorant. At least with Brewster we have upside potential. True, at this point it is only potential. It makes me mad though that Mason is laughing all the way to the bank.
I guess I am out of the loop, but I do not understand this business of Mason getting the new stadium approved/passed/built.
“Don’t know if there’s a coach in the country with that resume’.”
That is what is so great about Brewster, he does not have that resume. At all. Our days of losing some of the close once are over (if you ignore our loss to NU last year). Well done Jeff. At least last year you were not having to stay until the end of the games.
I tend to agree with Bud about the Big Ten standings. I’d pick Purdue to finished 2nd, then Penn State, then Michigan. Beyond that, it’s anybody’s guess. I’m thinking the Gophers will be in the bottom half.
I would also predict that Wisconsin will finish 7th or lower, and the Bucky fans will be calling for Bilema’s head.
Right on Tex! We have all the upside in the world. That is the advantage of losing every Big Ten game you play. 0-8 and you guys are still woofing. When some guys have nothing they just shut up. Beat NIU and then start talking about how we are going to beat a lot of teams. Until then, don’t give Montana State a thought.
You are out of the loop if you do not know the name of the stadium and “why?”.
“Lower half”? Are you sure?!
At least last year you were not having to stay until the end of the games.
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Great point Loon. It’s not like they lost in overtime to Bowling Green. Or scored 28 second half points to pull closer against Purdue. Or were down three in the fourth quarter to NDSU. Or lost by seven to Wisconsin.
Yep….those were some mighty fine blowouts.
Keep being a hypocrite.
You are out of the loop if you do not know the name of the stadium and “why?”.
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I know this one! TCF Mason Stadium. The people of Minnesota loved and supported Glen Mason so much they gave him a brand new stadium!!!!
When some guys have nothing they just shut up.
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And you’re here why?
Texas Gopher, a few words of explanation.
Looney Toons (aka Batman aka Green Lantern aka James Bond aka Mata Hari aka Walter Mitty) believes that he and Glen Mason single-handedly shepherded the new Gopher stadium through the Minnesota Legislature.
We just continue to humor him here.
jimbo: I don’t think prexy b knows fiscal competence and discipline from a hole in the ground. I think he is a nice guy and would be a good, friendly neighbor though.
Now, about selling out a 50,000 seat stadium, The Gophers have been averaging over 50,000 fans a game, sold tickets, for a number of years now. In fact, brewster’s first year saw a decline in attendance from the last few of Mason’s years. So, there goes your darn attendance point. It is a non point. In fact, prexy b had better hope that brewster gets off his dead butt and starts selling some season tickets. Even with the new stadium just two years away, last year ticket sales declined and attendance declined. That was not a good start for brewster…or maturi and prexy b.
And, maturi had to have Mason gone. It is just that simple. It had nothing to do with losing the bowl game. It also made it extremely difficult when Mason led the team to three successive Big Ten wins to close the season out. maturi had to have Mason out the door to protect his own hide. Just as the year before, prexy b needed to have Mason’s contract extended in order to get the stadium deal finalized. prexy b and maturi were in it up to their eyeballs and were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t have Mason on board.
Now, texasgopher: why get angry that Mason gets all those nice checks? It is, after all, prexy b and maturi that insured that Mason would get all those nice checks. I believe your anger is too simplistically misplaced. Blame the pair of administrators who offered and drew up the five year contract extension at the last possible minute at the very end of 2005.
I though the U was opening with BG—I should say the NIU game will be a crucial game to get the season off to a good start.
Wren—I will be mad at Mason bc he held the coaches, team, and university hostage in his negotiating tactics. That was the only big game (his contract extension) I remember him ever winning.
jim beam, (about 10% of the people who drink your product jim, will have many problems directly related to their consumption of alcohol. Some people will die and kill others in alcohol-related car crashes.
Roughly 10% of the drinking population will suffer consequences directly related to their drinking. Fact of life jimmy…
Don’t you understand that the problem with haskin’s fifedom at the University of Minnesot started under prexy h’s watch? haskins had been bending rules and breaking rules for a LONG time at that point in time. Why, even the current prexy b was fairly high up in the administration of prexy h and he was present during the academic cheating salad days of the haskin era. The shit hit the fan in 1999, but Bobby Jackson was all done at the U of M before 1999. The papers had been written for the students before prexy y had arrived on campus. The deeds had been done. The 1997 final four appearance had happened when…in 1997! The story didn’t break until 1999. But, the story had been being constructed for about a decade prior to 1999.
jim beam…you are too self “consumed” here. I think you are making arguments much like the 10% of the people who have problems with you and your brew crew.
tex,tex,tex: I was in the Horseshoe for that 2000 win over the Buckeyes. I was in the Big House for that win there. When is the next time the Gophers will win in either stadium?
prexy b spent the money. It is all on prexy b and maturi. They didn’t have to do that deed…but, they did. They were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. They didn’t have the courage to not do it. It goes on them.
Jimbo says:
May 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Just so everyone remembers, Sid was instrumental in getting Gutekunst hired after Holtz walked out on the program.
Sid’s been such a big asset to Gopher football; he was instumental in getting Giel to commit to moving into the dome, and pushed for a new Gophers stadium on the St. Paul campus. There are around 4,000 students on the St. Paul campus, as opposed to 45,000 on the Minneapolis campus. You think the crowds have been shameful in the Metrodome? Imagine a St. Paul campus location.
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The only thing that matters to Sid is moving teams to where he owns land. Simple as that.
Bud says:
May 8th, 2008 at 7:39 am
I love the way DAC, Jeff, and Derek come to the rescue of the great recruiting factory. When it is pointed out that one of the early commits is not ranked as high as they have said he was then the excuses start to pour out. DAC chimes in with the injury angle ( always his favorite one), Derek and Jeff come up with, well maybe they have not evaluated his film yet. If Rivals had not seen film yet then how in the heck did the player get rated 57th best in the country. None of you recruit knecks have answered the question. If recruiting is the only thing that matters then how are we going to finish higher than 6th in 2008 with all of the other Big Ten schools that have a jump on us. DAC will just say that Brewster has made the other schools work harder on recruiting right.
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LMAO, its called we know alittle about college football and recruiting and you have shown little knowledge repeatedly. I’m sorry I’ve been around the sport and have connections slightly more reliable than the free board at Scout.
Yes we know Bud, Eskridge didn’t visit Nebraska, Limpscomb and Simmons won’t qualify. Why not post ocassionally on something you have knowledge about?
Wren, when I talk about filled stadia, I mean butts in seats, not sold tickets. Actual attendance means lots more revenue for the home team. I’m not so sure I buy into your data about sold tickets, but I’m not going to argue because I don’t have the facts at my disposal. And let’s throw out the Iowa, Wisconsin and North Dakota games. Do we still average 50,000 tickets sold? I doubt it.
Sorry I don’t agree with you about Dr. Bruininks. I know you’re in love with Yudof (why, I’m not sure: he blew us off for his “dream job.”) In my opinion, Bruininks is the best president in the U’s history. Yudof doesn’t count: he wasn’t here long enough. Tell me, who of the predecessors to Yudof, could hold a candle to Bruininks? Malcom Moos? O. Meredith Wilson? C. Peter Magrath? Nils Hasselmo? Puh-leeeeese!!!
Bud says:
May 8th, 2008 at 8:55 am
TX, you need to go on the Big Ten Network and pull up the spring game. You would have a much different picture after watching the game. Good question though. I would say in no particular order, top half teams. MSU(much improved from 2006 and getting better), Purdue (top returning QB and Joe Tillers swan song), Ill.( graduation hit them hard but now we get to see Zooks recruits play), Michigan( to much talent on defense to loose to may games), PSU( did not get to see them play last year but ditto Mich.)
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Tex, the spring game was pretty bad. Although as Bud is accumstomed to doing, he left out that Simmons, Decker, and Pittman didn’t play with the offense. He also left out that there were only 54 of 85 scholarship payers at the game. Bud loves half truth’s in his pursuit to rip Gopher football. I can’t decide if he is a Pigeon or a NDSU fan.
Tex, jeff, et al, Mason won some big games without the new stadium to help with recruiting. If you would go to real football games played at real stadia before real fans, you would come to realise what any coach here is recruiting against.
I am glad all the rest of our present and future FB coaches will have the potential of the new, on campus, stadium. The new guy, is 1-11 and counting. He has won no important games, and counting. As is the case every year, I look forward to seeing what happens this year. Unlike most Gopher fans, I will be in my seat at the beginning and end of each game.
Based on what I have seen from Brewster thus far, I can not be too excited about what I will see. Based on my long experience, rookie players to BT football do not do well, 95 times out of 100. Based on my experience, the players who were good enough to play on our teams are sorely missed once they leave.
You guys did not like losing under Mason. Now we lose many more games and you want me to be fired up over big talk.
No thank you.
Go Gophers, beat NIU!
Tx, I thought you ask what others thought about the up coming Big Ten season? You should of just posted what you think is going to happen and ask for others thoughts on your scenario. BG lost quit a few players to graduation. No. Ill went 2-10 last year and they have a new coach. FAU beat us last year after we trashed them by 30 plus points. And Montana State has a new coach and several restrictions placed on them by the NCAA for violations committed in the past. They are no NDSU. What you get out of our Non-league games as far as a read on the Big Ten season will be anyones guess. If we do not go 4-0 in the non-league it will be a shame. The Big Ten will unfold with the Gophers starting out at OSU. Some of the posters on this site will claim a great improvement if we only lose by 14. Jeff loves to point out his reasons for Brewster as the coach. I doubt if he ever went to a bowl game. I am sure the players would have liked to have gone to one in 2007. They are just going to have to suffer through another non-bowl year while we wait for the 2009 season to see what Brewsters guys can do. Remember there where 2 6 win teams in the Big Ten last year that did not get to go to a Bowl game. Given our fan support we had better win 7 games.
Derek, excuses are like A=holes. Everyone has one and they all stink. Just keep covering up for the Brewster camp and you will be on the INSIDE with your connections. The fact still remains that when Alipate committed you knuckle heads were spouting off that he was the 57th player rated in the country and he is know where to be found in the top 250. Explain that one away Derek.
The Gophers have been averaging over 50,000 fans a game, sold tickets, for a number of years now.
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Sorry to respond with facts Wren….in 2006 with the help of NDSU and Iowa fans, Minnesota averaged 52,206 fans….the FIRST TIME over a 50,000 average since 1987.
Mase’s glory year of 5-3 in the Big Ten they averaged 44,148.
Bud–I am with you in that if we are not 4-0 to start the season I will be very disappointed. I like the way the whole schedule plays out. But again, it is crucial to get off to a good start. Momentum can carry you a long way. I hope their is a real sense of urgency in that lockerroom for the opener.
Based on what I have seen from Brewster thus far, I can not be too excited about what I will see.
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Replace Brewster with Ferentz or Alvarez or Snyder or Zook and you’ve got a great point. I’m sure Kansas fans were thrilled with Mangino’s 0-8 season in year one in Lawrence.
People who judge a coach after one season are idiots.
The 2007 season attendance took a hit…thank you very much brewster/maturi/prexy b.
Good point Wren…from 52,206 to 51,791…WHAT A DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wren, did you thank Mason for 1998? His second season his attendance dropped from 44,898 to 41,642.
Man, facts suck.
So, wren, you never responded to me. Which of the 20th-21st century University of Minnesota presidents (other than the short-timer Yudof) was more effective or competent than Bruininks?
So what is your point LiaB. Anyone that follows Gopher football knows that we have only averaged over 50,000 two or three times in the past 20 years. Why do you think they are only building a stadium that seats 50. Some of the individuals on this site will claim that the stadium will be filled because Brewster has brought Gopher football back. When in reality the stadium will be filled the first year because it is new. If we do not win, the fans will stop coming.
Gee Bud, maybe the point was Wren said Minnesota has been drawing 50,000 for several years now and he was wrong. Gee Bud, maybe the point was Wren said that attendance took a hit when it’s still the second highest total since 1987.
When in reality the stadium will be filled the first year because it is new. If we do not win, the fans will stop coming.
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You sure have a grasp of the obvious Bud.
Nobody was more effective than prexy y. His 2.25 billion dollar fund-raising campaign was INCREDIBLE! His refurbishing of the East Bank Campus was life saving to the U. His efforts to take the campus from a commuting campus setting to one in which 80% of the incoming freshmen were on campus was personality changing for the U of M.
I suppose prexy b would fall somewhere behind prexy y. Prexy Y accomplished MORE during his tenure than any prexy in the past fifty years, that is for certain!
Also, prexy probably kept Minnesota’s membership in the Big Ten for athletics in place by negotiating a “near death” penalty for the men’s hoops team rather than a “death” penalty following the haskins scandal.
Prexy Y is head and shoulders above ANY of that handful of prexy’s that you mentioned…INCLUDING prexy b. I’d probably put prexy b in second place behind Prexy Y in that list that you gave.
Yes Jeff, people such as yourself would be dancing in the streets claiming that even though we have not won many games the people in MN just love what Brewster has done in his first two years at the U. And the attendance did go UP from 1996 to 1997. The Gopher Tribe was expecting a Rose Bowl. Once we figured out that that was not going to happen the walk-up crowd fell off the face of the earth. And your point about Iowa & NDSU in 2006. We had Wisconsin and NDSU this year. One BIG difference Jeff, the last game of 2006 was for a bowl game. In 2007 we were playing for the cellar.
The part a lot of people seem to have trouble seeing is that it isn’t just wins and losses. No one wants to fork out real money to see the Gophs play some patsy they are supposed to beat by three touchdowns. At best we kick the snot out of them — but who cares? At worst we lose which is even worse (anybody remember the University of Pacific game at the dome where Pacific put all their subs in in the second half to keep from running the score up on us?). Mason seemed to miss this point as well. Salem got it but then could not compete at the end (that Nebraska game in the dome was one of the worst debacles I have ever witnessed, in any sport, at any level). The real attendance games (e.g., Oklahoma when Holtz was here) were the home games where we were supposed to be the patsy but were competitive. People were actually excited. There was buzz before the games (and after). That excitement all died during Gutekunst and has yet to return. I think if we bring in teams people want to see and give them a game, we will see sellouts again regardless of whether we win or not. IMO, it’s all about entertainment. People want to see a good game — win, lose or draw.
That is all.
Man: having a coach go 0-8 in Big Ten play and 1-11 overall SUCKS! There you go basher. 0-8 in Big Ten play is the ULTIMATE suck job. And it happened in 2007. Thanks for nothing brewster.
For the nth time Wren, do your homework and get your facts straight.
“Gophers have been averaging over 50,000 a game……for a number of years now.” Wrong. Mason did it for the first time in 2006 @ 52,207. 2007 under Brewster slipped a bit to 51,791.
“Brewsters first year saw a decline from the last few of Mason’s years.” Wrong. Attendance under Masonball was 49,025 in 2005, 47,573 in 2004 and 44,148 and a ten year average of 45,754.
When one looks at it, Mason actually did worse than the last two years with the Wack as coach when attendance averaged 46,024. Attendance in Masons first two years was 44,901 in 97 and slipped to 41,627 in 08.
Sugarcoat it all you want Wren to fit your needs in your campaign to knock Brewster.
Poke, you do not know what you are talking about. There is no “win, lose or draw” about it. We heard that crap in the years before the Cal game. Then we went out to highly rated Cal and lost and the fans cried like babies, “Oh, Mason lost another game!”
With the exception of about 10,000 people, Minnesota fans are wimps. Their idea is not playing a top team and losing, it is playing a top team and winning every time. Even then it is about winning more and more games. The big game is the next game, beat a string of teams and then lose the game and “Coach God has lost another big game! Why do we always lose the big ones!!??”
Brewster is a heaven sent god to you and your ilk: big talk, no real expectations = no big disappointments. The “We deserve what Ohio State has!” is so Minnesota.
Loon you can say what you want, but Mason had no more to do with getting a stadium than any coach would have. He was not that integral a part. I don’t know where you get your info. but you need a new source. Just like all your cheating allegations,YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!!
Loon, if what you assert is true, how do you explain the many sellouts (or near sellouts) in the two years Holtz was here?
BTW, where did I say anything about Mason or Brewster?
WrenLiar says,
“Mason pitched the naming rights deal to Cooper at TCB and pitched the stadium to the state legislators.”
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What kind of buffoon are you? Mason pitching the stadium is like you pitching to Ted Williams. Duhhhh!!!
BudBuffoon … What I said is exactly correct. If Brewster were on the market today he would have job offers for the simple reason he recruited the 17th best class in America to a dead football program. That demonstrates he has a skill that less than 5% of all coaches possess.
On the other hand, the coach you carried bags for did not get an offer from anyone to come in and coach. Duhhh. Wake up, moron.
The pathetic little baby whiner and backstabber bud says about himself,
“idiot/moron/ignorant/racist/hogsmut/hog pornographer/low life trash merchant/smut/sleaze/smut peddler/pathetic backstabber/hoggarbage/”
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What a useless POG.
The Gopher hater and backstabber Bud says,
“When it is pointed out that one of the early commits is not ranked as high as they have said he was then the excuses start to pour out.”
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Wake up, backstabbing moron. When I posted that he was ranked 57th in the country. That was a fact, idiot.
If you believe Brewster should not give Alipate a scholorship, then say so.
Of course you will not say that because you are a gutless coward and POS.
Tex … The Gophers will not realistically compete for No. 2 in the Big Ten this year. It would take a number of miracles for us and against many others for that to happen.
A much easier prediction is that Jim Tressel, with the best talent in America, will choke once again for the biggest prize. Like Bielema and several other coaches at big time schools, he is a nothing.
The ignorant moron Gopher hater Bud says,
“You outed yourself DAC with Jimbos 5:23 pm post from yesterday. Accusing another person of being a “Pathetic Senile Old Man”. That is not Jimbo, that is you DAC. You are fooling no one.
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Hey moron, I hope mommy didn’t pay a lot of money for detective school. You are an idiot and easily the most stupid Gopher-hater to ever post here.
Jeff says about the moron Bud’s hero,
“Don’t know if there’s a coach in the country with that resume’.”
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That’s why Mason is not a coach any more.
If Brewster were on the job market, he would have many opprotunities because of his proven record as a recruiter — the 17th best class in America to a dead program and coming off a 1-11 season. That has never before been done and probably will never be done again.
On the other hand, Mason had a 20-year record and nobody was even faintly interested in hiring him.
Mason, like the moron Bud, is unwanted in college football.
Bud … You seem upset I sometimes use the word ‘moron’ to describe certain people posting here.
As a student of the English language and an evaluator of character and intelligence, I confess I can never, ever mention your name without appropriately using ‘moron’ with it.
I’m sure, as a moron, you understand.
pokeintheeye: The first hoax year coincided with the Les Steckel year with the stinking vikings. The stupid fans were suckers for hype and fast, used car salesman talk…the kind that hoax pushed. hoax did more to destroy football at Minnesota than any other coach. When he bolted for South Bend, those casual fans caved in like sink holes and left forever. The vikings brought Bud Grant back and that is all there is to say about that.
hoax went up against les steckel. That’s a lot of the deal.
Attendance dropped 400 people in Brewster’s first season, but by listening to the Masonites you would have thought we dropped by 40,000.
How many Big Ten wins will brewster get in 2008 goldohfour? Remember, it is ONLY the Big Ten wins that count. He is EXPECTED to win all the cupcake ooc games. He had better not lose any of those…Montana State, Northern Illinois, FAU, Bowling Green. Man…he had better NOT lose any of those. So, the question is , goldohfour…how many big Ten games will he win?
Now jimbo: here we go again. d_a_c is here making a real fool of himself and you are no where to be found. I want to see the two of you start having a conversation on this board in real time…you know, posting back and forth to each other a minute apart with your responses.
See, jimbo…you are d_a_c and that is something that can be taken to the bank. That means that you are also pantherhawk….derek, et al.
How is that hole in your head doing jimbo?
eyeWRENski flatulates:
“See, jimbo…you are d_a_c and that is something that can be taken to the bank. That means that you are also pantherhawk….derek, et al.”
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Seriously. Sitting behind the computer in your parents basement all day long has made you paranoid.
I saw that the football team is progressing academically. This is great. Some of the detractors have said that we’re bringing in thugs that aren’t students. I’m seeing just the opposite. Better academics, better athletics….it’s good to be a Gopher fan!
Wren,
Brewster will get four Big Ten wins this year. Following your advice, I do not care if we win the non-conference games. The only thing that matters is Big Ten victories. The non-coference schedule is only preseason.
DAC and his ultra egos would like to think they are correct in assuming that Mason was a poor coach because he is not currently coaching. Most of us would not be doing what we are doing if we had been pulling down 1.2 mill. plus over the past 10 years and then receive a Golden parachute of 4.5 mill. in one lump sum. I guess DAC thinks that he is all knowing. The simple math puts 15 mill in Masons pocket in the last 10 years. You go ahead though and keep thinking that know one wants him. That makes you feel secure in your own little world. Bill Curry, Bob Davies, Jimmy Johnson, ect, ect., ect.,. They are all terrible coaches who can not find a job. You are like a trainer for the worlds worst boxer. You stand in the Brewster corner and keep shouting at him as he gets his ass kicked, You the man, you the best of all time, get back out there champ the cuts are not that bad. Brewster could not have received an interview at MN State with his first year performance.
Gold04 - Wren is sorely mistaken to think that the only thing is Big10 victories. Let’s say we win 4-Big10 games while losing the rest. Do we make a bowl game? Nope.
Let’s say we win all 4 non-conference games and 2 Big10 games. Do we make it to a bowl game? With two more bowl games added this year….Yes we do!
In other words, WREN is full of crap.
Explain why there have been no stars attached to our first 4 commits, when other schools have committed players with stars behind their names. Gold4, I have saved your prediction in the file. 4 big ten wins are a bit high. Care to give us your upset BT win. I think I would have 3 of the 4. Iowa, Indy., NW, ?
RE, the two additional bowl games are not tied into the BT. Six wins will not guarantee us a bowl game in 2008. Not saying we would not go but there is no guarantee. The only way to make it a sure thing is win 7.
Rescooter says:
May 9th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Let’s say we win all 4 non-conference games and 2 Big10 games. Do we make it to a bowl game? With two more bowl games added this year….Yes we do!
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Gee……I thought that was where we were back in 2006??
Recruiting: No, we ended up 6-7 after losing a 31 point lead.
If we go 6-6, we’ll end up making it to a bowl and going 7-6.
Have you figured out how to count 3 DWIs yet?
Does brewster recruit any one besides illiterate blacks from the south?
Really, I’m flattered to have people think d_a(sp)_c and I are one and the same person. Only because at times I think he can be wittier than me. The b**stard!
My schedule yesterday didn’t allow me to be online at the same time as d_a(sp)_c. Most of the time I only post from work, since, unlike wren and Bud, I have a life. Since I sit in front of a PC most of the day at work, this is a very entertaining diversion.
The paranoia of wren and Bud is hilarious.
I’m thinking Sam Maresh will be very surprised to learn that he’s an “illiterate black from the south.”
Rescooter,
I need to bring clarity to one of your points. Mase gave up a 31 point lead with just 1 and 1/2 quarters to play.
Now giving up that kind of lead in a short amount of time is not easy to do.
Oh rescooter: people still only count Mason’s Big Ten record…all of the ooc wins were discounted by you trashers, bashers, mobbers and ba$tards. So, of course, ONLY Big Ten wins count for anything. The ooc wins can ONLY hurt you. Either the wins is not by enough, was by too much.
I am here to add fairness to this thing. IF Mason was bashed for his ooc wins…brewster will also be bashed for any ooc wins. ONLY Big Ten wins will count. brewster is 0-8 in the Big Ten and Big Ten season opens against OSU at the Horseshoe.
I will make sure that you bashers, mobbers and trashers who now try to spin for brewster will have to use the same standards.
That’s the deal lkittle dudes and dudettes from gh/gi and the booster club. If that is the way it worked before…that is the way it still works today.
ONLY Big Ten wins matter. Big Ten losses will kill any coaching career. OOC games can ONLY hurt the coach/gm/recruiter…which ever the case may be.
“Now giving up that kind of lead in a short amount of time is not easy to do.”
He had lots of practice.
And…following the 2007 blown lead to NU…brewster is following right in his footsteps.
Now, brewster also needs to figure out that you can’t get down by 14 to 17 points in the first quarter and hope to EVER win a Big Ten Football game.
“Now, brewster also needs to figure out that you can’t get down by 14 to 17 points in the first quarter and hope to EVER win a Big Ten Football game.”
What are you talking about? We used to let teams do it to us all the time. Heck, 14 to 17 points in the fourth quarter. At home yet.
Talk big eyepoker: we will see what the 2008 season brings. You mobbers/bashers turn hypsters had better start getting some Big Ten wins or your tough talk and words will look pretty darn foolish. It take Big Ten wins dudes and dudettes, which ever the case may be.
brewster has shown NOTHING on Game Day Saturday.
Tex says,
” guess I am out of the loop, but I do not understand this business of Mason getting the new stadium approved/passed/built.”
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Nothing to understand. Loon and Wren are liars. The idea a vagabond football coach with no connection with Minnesota and a burning desire to get a better job somewhere else could somehow create a new stadium is too funny for words.
Derek asks,
“Yes we know Bud, Eskridge didn’t visit Nebraska, Limpscomb and Simmons won’t qualify. Why not post ocassionally on something you have knowledge about?”
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Any idea what that might be? Pulling taffey? Making fudge? Baking pies? He’s dumber than a box of rocks and acts like he has never seen a football game but maybe he’s good around the kitchen.
“The fact still remains that when Alipate committed you knuckle heads were spouting off that he was the 57th player rated in the country … ”
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And that was a fact and true. He was at that time rated 57th overall nationally by Rivals. You are a liar or uninformed to say otherwise.
Wren says: “Talk big eyepoker ….”.
Since when is stating facts big talk?
Bud says:
May 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Derek, excuses are like A=holes. Everyone has one and they all stink. Just keep covering up for the Brewster camp and you will be on the INSIDE with your connections. The fact still remains that when Alipate committed you knuckle heads were spouting off that he was the 57th player rated in the country and he is know where to be found in the top 250. Explain that one away Derek.
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For the last time, Rivals reevalutes players throughout the year. Alipate will either be a high 3 star or low 4 star QB when they are done. Anything else you’d like to ask that your little mind can’t grasp? If not, go back to your anti-U rants.
I’m covering for the Brewster camp? Who has said on numerous occasions that the spring game was bad? Yup, I did. I’m not covering for anyone, I just have a problem reading uneducated people posting misinformation, half truths, or complete flat out lies.
Bud says:
May 9th, 2008 at 6:47 am
DAC and his ultra egos would like to think they are correct in assuming that Mason was a poor coach because he is not currently coaching. Most of us would not be doing what we are doing if we had been pulling down 1.2 mill. plus over the past 10 years and then receive a Golden parachute of 4.5 mill. in one lump sum. I guess DAC thinks that he is all knowing. The simple math puts 15 mill in Masons pocket in the last 10 years. You go ahead though and keep thinking that know one wants him. That makes you feel secure in your own little world. Bill Curry, Bob Davies, Jimmy Johnson, ect, ect., ect.,. They are all terrible coaches who can not find a job. You are like a trainer for the worlds worst boxer. You stand in the Brewster corner and keep shouting at him as he gets his ass kicked, You the man, you the best of all time, get back out there champ the cuts are not that bad. Brewster could not have received an interview at MN State with his first year performance.
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I’m sure you are lumping me in with this, so I’ll ask youBud: When in the past have I ever ripped coach Mason? Show me…….
Bud says:
May 9th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Explain why there have been no stars attached to our first 4 commits, when other schools have committed players with stars behind their names. Gold4, I have saved your prediction in the file. 4 big ten wins are a bit high. Care to give us your upset BT win. I think I would have 3 of the 4. Iowa, Indy., NW, ?
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Rivals hasn’t given out stars past the top 250 yet.
How one can rip other posters without knowing about about football or recruiting downright amazing. Why not ask a few questions, learn what the h#ll is going on, then make an EDUCATED opinion. Man I hate stupid people.
Loon_is_a_bigot says:
May 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Good point Wren…from 52,206 to 51,791…WHAT A DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wren, did you thank Mason for 1998? His second season his attendance dropped from 44,898 to 41,642.
Man, facts suck.
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Beat me to it. Wait for it though, Wayne loves to try his best to twist facts. It never works, but its entertaining.
thewrenagain says:
May 9th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Oh rescooter: people still only count Mason’s Big Ten record…all of the ooc wins were discounted by you trashers, bashers, mobbers and ba$tards. So, of course, ONLY Big Ten wins count for anything. The ooc wins can ONLY hurt you. Either the wins is not by enough, was by too much.
I am here to add fairness to this thing. IF Mason was bashed for his ooc wins…brewster will also be bashed for any ooc wins. ONLY Big Ten wins will count. brewster is 0-8 in the Big Ten and Big Ten season opens against OSU at the Horseshoe.
I will make sure that you bashers, mobbers and trashers who now try to spin for brewster will have to use the same standards.
That’s the deal lkittle dudes and dudettes from gh/gi and the booster club. If that is the way it worked before…that is the way it still works today.
ONLY Big Ten wins matter. Big Ten losses will kill any coaching career. OOC games can ONLY hurt the coach/gm/recruiter…which ever the case may be.
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Wayne I thought you’ve stated a couple times you were done posting here? Crying Wolf again? Looking for some sympathy?
It’s a good thing Chip is on vacation or we’d have to listen to his whining about his feeling getting hurt as well.
Interesting look at the current coaching staff’s recruiting techniques. Check out the bottom section on us: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/notebook?page=peprally/080409&grrr
eyepoker: Here is a fact for you! In 2007 brewster was 0-8 in big Ten Play. He finished 1-11 losing all those horribly easy ooc games. I don’t know if that dude can ever recrover from that thrown away season.
Gee, I didn’t know that.
Take it to the bank eyepoker. Now, the question is this: how many Big Ten games will the gm/recruiter win in 2008? I say if he doesn’t beat iowa, NU and Indiana in the dome he will have decided to throw away two seasons in a row.
The future of his career at that point in time at Minnesota would be in a near death state.
The only thing that will save this dude is a LOT of Big Ten wins starting in 2008.
I say he’ll win a minimum of seven. Although I would consider the season a success if they win at Wisconsin. It’s been far too long.
