Priority seating explanation
Posted on May 19th, 2008 – 2:55 PMBy Chip Scoggins
Gophers officials are going to meet with the media this Friday to explain in detail the Gophers priority point system for seating in the new football stadium. The school will send out info to fans next week.
I’m going to be out of pocket Friday but we expect to have a story in Saturday’s paper explaining how the school arrived at this system and how it works. I know there have been a lot of questions about seating in the new stadium so hopefully we’ll be able to provide some answers.
– As many expected, Breck wide receiver Bryce McNeal committed to Michigan after visiting there this weekend. The Gophers will continue to recruit him this season, much like they did with Michael Floyd and Willie Mobley last year.
– I talked to incoming prep school recruit Vinnie Hill (he asked that we call him Vinnie) and he said he’s awaiting a SAT score to know if he will be able to enroll next month. If he gets in, Hill said he doesn’t care if he plays D-back or WR, but he said he definitely wants to play both ways.
– Incoming freshman defensive tackle Jewhan Edwards on his mindset coming to school: “I’m coming there to start.”
– Congrats to former QB Bryan Cupito, who got engaged last week.
– Head equipment manager Darin Kerns has resigned to take a similar job at Florida State.
– I’ll return from vacation officially next week. Talk to you then.
245 Responses to "Priority seating explanation"
Thanks editors..hopefully when I come back in the morning the drivel won’t be back…
Congratulations to Bryan Cupito!
As far as the seating is concerned, it appears that there’s not a bad seat in the house. Having had season tickets for 6-years now, my priority should be Ok.
Bryce McNeal - Playing for Rich Rod is a big unknown. He’s had several players transfer out of the system, but he also has his strong supporters. A personality like his polarizes people. I think Tressel called him something akin to Rich Rod not being a gentleman.
Darin Kerns leaving - I think we’ll be Ok here. 
These “seating plans” have, for a very long time, been far more mercenary at other schools than they have been here. There is zero doubt in my mind, based on what Maturi and others have repeatedly stated, that the main function of the football program will be to make more money to cover Title IX expenses. This was certainly the main goal in getting the new stadium for free from the state, TCF and others.
So, get ready on Friday for a plan that is going to seriously “encourage” you to pay more money for your seats. I fully acknowledge that “this is the way it is at other schools”. Nonetheless, behind all the hype and “excitement” of the dog and pony show on Friday is going to be some serious presure to hand over some more coin or sit under the goalpost.
Until Maturi is kicked out, I will seriously resist this encouragement.
Will there be a cheap “Grumpy Old Man” section?
I agree Loon. maturi has mismanaged this football program and he will not get my support any longer in any way, shape or form. I’ll buy my tickets the way I always have. I have always contributed to scholarship funds, but, until there is a serious football coach in place at the University of Minnesota, I do not believe that winning has any prioroty on maturi’s agenda. He went with inexperienced and unconventional with the football hire vs the basketball hire. He could care less that the football program went 0-8 in Big Ten play last season. He feels like the foolish fans buy more into the fantasy recruiting ranking deals and will for three years. He will then retire and have the title IX programs funding secure. That is his real agenda, mission and passion. He could care less if the Gophers ever win another football games just as long as the football program can pay for title IX and the non-revenue sports. He really doesn’t want to “know” what goes on behind the scenes…he only wants a cash-flow generated from stadium revenue and the Big TenFootball contract. The extra $$$$$ will not be used for the football program. It will be the cash cow for title IX and the non-revenue sports.
Loon is always negative.
Of course putting more money behind what you already pay for season tickets is going to get you better seats….however you need to be able to do put that money down year after year. In addition the U has 2,000 club seats and 36 suites to sell.
The Metrodome also had this priority seating available to prospective season ticket holders. You could join the Goaline club and put a few extra bucks down and get pretty decent seats.
There won’t be a bad seat in the place, so I don’t think everyone should get too worked up.
You guys are idiots…Mike Dunbar and Ted Roof are probably the two most experienced coordinators that the U has EVER had.
There is NO WAY this school is going to go out and get an Urban Meyer caliber coach and then get coordinators with the same experience and pay as the U has right now.
IT was either we continue with the Mason model where we had a highly paid head coach and poorly paid coordinators or we go with the affordable head coach with ‘tremendous’ upside and expensive coordinators.
GoG–good call.
Believe me: dunbar showed me nothing in 2007. He also pretty mu7ch got run out of town at Berkley after only one season…a season in which the head coach at U Cal pretty much called the shots on offense. dunbar is a dud with his “easty/coasty/spreadsy/wedsy/dinksy/dunksy offense. IF he continues to make Weber run the ball as often as he did last year and gets him hurt, you have not begun to see how much trouble dunbar’s offense will be in.
And, we will have to see about roof in the dome.
Quite frankly, they are paying entirely too much for and are not getting enough out of their coordinators. But, that is in part because brewster views himself as a gm/recruiter. He really doesn’t want to be in charge of anything on Game Day Saturday…you know…the day they play all those games.
I have no real view on Ted Roof, let us see how he reacts to the realities he faces during our games. He must and will be better than the highly paid, totally unable, idiot he replaces.
I have always hated any Dunbar offense. Even the excellent team I saw us play at Cal, I thought, serious under utilized the excellent talant they had. I believed the widely circulated reports that he was done at Cal when we hired him. I hated the hire then and hate it even more after his 0-8 performance last year.
Dunbar will be gone after 2009 even if Brewster stays.
I accept the new stadium plans which will encourage us to pay more. I will not pay more until Maturi is gone.
How did Dan Hawkins fair his first season at Colorado with his brand of run and shoot? They lost to Montana and had about the same record as Minnesota this past year.
We will see how Rodriguez fairs at Michigan with basically a bare kitchen and two very inexperience QB’s. Maybe he will do just fine. Then again they didn’t get 4 contributing players kicked off the team this year like the gophers did last year.
Give this staff a little time. There were a lot of contributing factors to the poor season and they didn’t all have to do with Brewster and a new coaching staff.
We lost our 4 year starter at QB to graduation and in addtion the Mackey award winner. We had the 4 players kicked off as I mentioned above. That is a lot of holes to fix and in them mean time install a new offense and defense.
You live in a world of excuses and try to say it wasn’t as bad as what you all saw with your own eyes. Here is a fact of life: it WAS as bad as what we all saw with our own eyes.
Why should I give either the administration at the U of M OR this “staff” a little time? I have given them fifty years and I have seen the administrations botch it up for ever and ever. They have now brought us back to the “fire your way to prosperity” line that they used starting with Warmath, Stoll, Salem, hoax, Gutey and Wacker. That worked out really well, didn’t it? The stability of a ten year man provided the best fortune for this program during that extended period of time. But Mason got canned and now the entire fire a coach every 3 to 5 years scenerio will be played out again. Give the administration time? Give ANY staff time? Why? I’d have to use a stop-watch because in this time and place it is win NOW or go away.
Of course, the fantasy recruiting freaks are trying to make the recruiting gymnastics more vital and important than what goes on Game Day Saturdays. It is always “just wait until brewster gets his players in place…” Will that be done in one recruiting classes? Nope. Two? Nope. Three…maybe four recruiting classes is the answer. And, then, of course, you can’t expect much until that fourth or fifth year. Believe me, in year one we didn’t see much. In fact, we didn’t see anything that makes me want to give this staff any more time. 0-8 in Big Ten play. It is Big Ten wins…lots of ‘em or bust! In a lot of ways things are kind of busted right now.
I can not give time or take away time to this coach or any coach. If this coach wins games his time here will be his choice (he will leave). If he does not win games this year, the Air Force game will seal his fate.
It just really does not have anything to do with what I say or do. Maturi et al just do not care what people like me think or do. But, the “0-8″ game will not sell, once the new stadium opens. Coach Brewster’s window of opportunity just won’t be able to out talk a poor performance much longer.
The Gophers will never hear a “boooo” from me during a game until the recruiting scandal hits the public domain.
Wren—just when I think your pessimism/negativity has reached the lowest point possible, you one up yourself.
Loon—knock it off with the innuendos. That is the lowest form possible insinuating infractions.
Blah, blah, blah, you sound like Charlie Brown’s bleeping teacher.
Looney Toons aka Maxwell Smart
thewrenagain says:
You will be reading a lot of the local columnists such as the Strib’s very own reusse commenting on the relevence of Big Ten wins to the status of one gm/recruiter brewster in September, October and November. And, he will tell it the way he sees it. A LOT of Big Ten wins is the only hope for the gm/recruiter wanna be.
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Wren, obviously you are a big Reusse fan!! Did Reusse “tell it the way he sees it” when he named Glen Mason “Turkey of the Year”???!!!
Loon states …”The Gophers will never hear a “boooo” from me during a game until the recruiting scandal hits the public domain.”
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Loon, you should report your suspicions to the Compliance people in the Athletic Department. J.T. Bruett is an honorable person and would definitely follow-up on your allegations.
Texas Gopher,
Loon, aka Walter Mitty, just throws out the pending recruiting scandal just to get attention. Maybe the guy doesn’t have a wife/girlfriend/kids/hobbies to fill the void of his empty life. Let us not forget the racist comments and his rant on Title IX. I have no idea why someone wouldn’t want a few deserving kids to opportunity of an athletic scholarship. If not, we might as well cancel all non-revenue sports and re-christian the Athletic Department as the Football Department.
Looney Toons–winner of Hypocrite of the Milennium
taylor: Mason was a jerk and a stiff and he lost so many Big Ten games he got fired. I’ve never been a fan of reusse, but, he will pound the drum loudly while and IF brewster loses Big Ten games. I am now ONLY focused on three aspects of the head coaching job at the U of M: BIG TEN WINS are the only thing that matters in addition to graduating ever increasing numbers of football players AND running a clean, honest, violation free program. THAT is why I say that brewster MUST start winning Big Ten games in large numbers. Otherwise his gm/recruiting career will be over almost before it ever starts…because so far he is 0-8 in Big Ten play.
maturi MUST go and he will retire following the the 2009 season. The dude is long of tooth and short of ideas about how to improve the Football Program. He is a pathetic ranger. Giel has long been dead. I don’t care about him. There you have it in your nut shell taylor.
To Wren & Loon: Since you two obviously hate the current AD and Head Coach at the U, here is a hypothetical situation to the both of you. You two are the AD and Head Coach of the U, now you tell everyone how you would handle the seating at the new stadium. Who would you hire as a head coach? Who would be your offensive and defensive coordinators? Where do you concentrate in your recruiting efforts? How do you get the in-state players to stay home and play for the U? I would like to know your thoughts on these ?’s. Now it is your turn to let everyone know what you would do for the betterment at the U. I don’t want to hear about last seasons 1-11 or 0-8 record, nothing about the current AD or Head Coach, or how great Mason was. You two are on the clock, POST. If you have nothing positive to say, stay off the blog.
“Loon, you should report your suspicions to the Compliance people in the Athletic Department. J.T. Bruett is an honorable person and would definitely follow-up on your allegations.”
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Follow up? Yes, by calling some people in white jackets to haul him out.
I’m not so worried about the price. Yes, I know I will be shelling out more $$$ for my tickets. My concern has to do with being able to sit with the people I have been sitting with for the last 10 years. Not only the people that I started going to the games with, but also the people who have become friends in those 10 years.
What is he going to do, inform Maturi? For the first time ever I may agree with the dac person. They would just say that person really isn’t on the payroll and threaten me with legal action if I repeated that accusation in public. “Plausible deniability” is all based on maintainning the deniability of any accusation, not investigating accusations that can not be proven in a court of law.
Let me ask a question. If the recruiting practices of Illinois, Minnesota and Michigan all come into question, which one will the NCAA come after? If the U is running an honest program he has nothing to worry about.
By the way taylor, you believe Maturi is an honorable person. The Monson/Mason re sign or not re sign, fired or not fired, no press statement stuff certainly, at the very least, proves that Mr. Maturi is not an honest person. Your creditablity took a huge hit on that one.
Reusse will come after any Gopher coach. Without three Big Ten wins this year, plus zero NC losses, Brewster is going to get serious hell from Reusse this year. Reusse has his whole writing schedule set up for him as we write. Brewster’s only real hope at this point is the Viking hype bailing Brewster out.
mnmike, the prisons of Texas are full of young guys who could use an opportunity (and young women too). We just disagree on the question of whether that is the function of the football program to provide those opportunities. I would say “no”, you would say, “but of course”.
So, Looney Toons, since you’re so well connected, why don’t you go directly to the NCAA with your allegations?
You are so incredibly boring.
Jimbo, if it is so boring, why read it or respond to it? Because you want to control the flow of information. You want the “advantages of taking steroids”, not the disadvantages.
But, thanks again for the validation.
OK, Looney Toons, I’ll rephrase it.
You are so incredibly moronic.
“Reusse will come after any Gopher coach.”
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Like anyone cares. Reusse is an uneducated hack and hater with no purpose in life other than to tear people down. That is a trait he shares with Wren and Loon and Wrens multiple aliases.
Loon says,
“mnmike, the prisons of Texas are full of young guys who could use an opportunity (and young women too). We just disagree on the question of whether that is the function of the football program to provide those opportunities. I would say “no”, you would say, “but of course”.”
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It is not the “function” of a football team to provide opportunity for disadvantaged minorities. But it is a very valuable byproduct.
And opportunity has two sides. It must be available and it must be accepted. By definition a young man who is willing to put in the work and dedication to play college football is actively accepting his opportunity.
The Loon says:
“Taylor … Your creditablity took a huge hit on that one.”
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And your credibility is impeccable??? I’m not the one throwing out recruiting innuendos … If you have ANY credible information, contact the Compliance Department. You obviously don’t know those people as they take their job very seriously and are of the utmost integrity (which is a credit to Maturi). That dept. is set up to follow the accusations and act independently of the administration.
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“Reusse will come after any Gopher coach.” So, you validate Ruesse when he gave “serious hell” to Glen Mason by naming him “Turkey of the Year”???!!!
Or is this just another example of the double standard used by you and Wren???
I like seats. However, I would prefer benches and fans that squeeze so hard to get in, we all would have to stand sideways, like at Notre Dame. I have friends who have tickets there and they never get to sit at games.
So, let it be with the gophers.
Taylor, I’m beginning to think that neither Looney Toons nor Wren actually believe in what they’re writing. Could there actually be two people in existence that are that naive, negative, and full of hate and anger?
It almost seems impossible.
Jumbo … It is entirely possible. These two are representative of a small band of Mason tagalongs who imagined they had some kind of tie with the great and aloof football coach.
Their hatred of Brewster is a personal thing. But they are not Gopher fans. Their profound hatred and desire to smear, slime, and destroy the new coach supercedes everything else.
Could you imagine torching the home of your daughter and her kids late at night and watching them burn to death because you didn’t like the man she married? Same stupid mentality.
So, d_a(sp)_c, do you think someone is actually feeding Looney Toons information on the alleged “cheating” in the program, or is he just making the whole thing up?
I can picture one of his cronies telling him this BS, then laughing his a** off when he reads what Looney posts here. Then again, based on what I’ve gathered from his demented outlook, I could also believe he’s fabricating the whole thing.
Gopher fans … Do not think for even a second that the Wrens, Loons, and Buds of the universe want our team to win this fall.
These selfish people only want their hatred of Brewster to be vindicated. They will trash and slime Brewster, all his staff, and every player if necessary to undermine and knife in the back this football program. Only Weber is immune.
Jumbo … Loon is not smart enough to formulate an idea and put it here. He is being fed by a Brewster hater who wants others to do his work by trashing the program and sliming the coaching staff.
–mnmike, the prisons of Texas are full of young guys who could use an opportunity (and young women too). We just disagree on the question of whether that is the function of the football program to provide those opportunities. I would say “no”, you would say, “but of course”.–
Thanks for the insight on the Texas prison system. Now what does that has to do with a young guy/girl receiving an athletic scholarship for a non-revenue sport? You must be a real hit at party’s.
–They would just say that person really isn’t on the payroll and threaten me with legal action if I repeated that accusation in public. –
Well then, you’re a coward. Why don’t you bring it to the NCAA’s attention then? If you know that something dirty is going on right now, why do you even support the team?
–Reusse will come after any Gopher coach. Without three Big Ten wins this year, plus zero NC losses, Brewster is going to get serious hell from Reusse this year. –
Who really cares? It’s not like the guy has any pull with any administration of a college or pro team. Reusse’s job is to write bombastic articles to sell newspapers. Unless of course, it’s the Twins, T-wolves, or golf.
You asked mnmike, so I will answer. It should not be the prime function of the football program to provide support to either set of “dreams”. If you want to “do good” why don’t you do good and leave the rest of us to do what we want to do with our money?
For my entire life as a Gopher fan I have wanted the Gopher football team to do well with the money I gave them and give them with my season ticket money. Instead, we have always had the lowest or next to lowest expenditures on football of any program in the Big Ten.
As a non socialist, I would much prefer the U to spend my money supporting what I support. When I want to “do good” I use my own money, not yours.
So rush right up to the AD’s office with your checkbook in hand and give Joel whatever level of money you want to support anyone you want (you know, the drowning in Burma, etc.). Please allow my football money to be spent on legal football. In return, I will do my own spending on “do gooding” with my own money, certainly not yours.
The Loon says:
May 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
“So rush right up to the AD’s office with your checkbook in hand and give Joel whatever level of money you want to support anyone you want (you know, the drowning in Burma, etc.). Please allow my football money to be spent on legal football. In return, I will do my own spending on “do gooding” with my own money, certainly not yours.”
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Huh?
Denny Green strikes again.
Taylor, you are failing to understand what eye and I are saying about Reusse. He will be very seriously ripping Brewster and Maturi this fall unless Brewster wins like crazy. The theory that “everyone will forget about our winning and losing as long as no bad words are ever allowed to be written on this site” is certainly false.
Reusse will be all over Brewster and his mentor Joel Maturi like Jobba the Hut on a princess, no matter what anyone here says. My gosh man, if Reusse ripped an actual football coach, imagine if another year of “trainee head coach” is on again.
Is the “drowning in Burma” the same as the typhoon in Myanmar?
Even though I don’t have inside information like Looney Toons, I’d be comfortable in saying thant none of our season ticket moneys or other contributions to the U of M Athletic Department are going to aid the victims in Myanmar.
Dear Mike,
I did not know that was what I was doing? (supporting Brewster).
MnMike: Charlottesville was great. It was graduation at UVA on Sunday. The architecture at UVA was beatiful. We also went out to Monticello.
My question for Loon is since you are not willing to give any information on what infractions are taking place and are unwilling to take any action to correct the situation, why do you continue to bring the subject up? It appears to be a persecution complex or something. Why not keep it to yourself and if one day the NCAA comes down on the Gopher program say “told you so.”
Yes Jimbo, I would guess that as well. But then, I would have guessed we would not have wanted our money to go to kids from Texas who can’t read above the eighth grade, either.
Hint, hint I want our football money to be spent of university students who want a university education and can play football too. Girls who can row boats are of no real interest to me. Nor, boys who want to play NFL football.
What action would you like me to take on the accurate information I have? Tell Maturi? He knows. Tell the NCAA? They know. The one will play the “plausible deniability”, the other will attempt to get legal proof.
I can not help either. One because I do not want to help him play his game, the other because what I know is not legal proof.
For example, NYC. It does not take a genius to figure out the recruiting of a certain individual was “creative” some years ago. Is that proof of guilt to a particular person? Not quite.
The Loon says:
May 20th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
What action would you like me to take on the accurate information I have? Tell Maturi? He knows. Tell the NCAA? They know. The one will play the “plausible deniability”, the other will attempt to get legal proof.
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This gets better and better. So now the NCAA is in on it, too. It’s a conspiracy! Where will it all end?
And only Looney Toons knows the real truth.
–For my entire life as a Gopher fan I have wanted the Gopher football team to do well with the money I gave them and give them with my season ticket money. Instead, we have always had the lowest or next to lowest expenditures on football of any program in the Big Ten.–
Then why bother making contributions if you feel it’s not be used wisely? Seems kinda hypocritical to me. Then again, it’s well inline with the rest of your posts.
NYC,
Glad to see that you had a great time in Charlottesville & UVA.
The Loon says:
Taylor, you are failing to understand what eye and I are saying about Reusse. He will be very seriously ripping Brewster and Maturi this fall unless Brewster wins like crazy.
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No, I understand exactly what you and eye say re: Reusse … You like and validate him when he goes after Brewster; but you don’t like Reusse when he went after Mason!!!!!
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The theory that “everyone will forget about our winning and losing as long as no bad words are ever allowed to be written on this site” is certainly false.
Who is promoting this theory?? And who is denying you to post bad words??
I have found that the majority of these bloggers offer an intelligent discourse on the pros and cons of Gopher Football. And they are all smart enough to remember the 0-9 (1-11) record without having to being reminded by Eye in his daily, childish rants.
Coaches are hired to be fired. To quote the Godfather … “It is the profession they’ve chosen”.
Brewster will be judged by his record. If he wins, he stays; if he loses, he gets fired. And we all just have to wait and see how the 2009 season plays out. It’s that simple.
Jumbo … Never give the communist masters the satisfaction of calling a once proud and beautiful country like Burma Myanmar. Never.
I still thank God I got out of there alive the last time.
So Loon has nothing that resembles “legal proof” which means it amounts to rumors. I’m sure Loon would love to have “rumors” about him posted on the internet. What’s the harm in that?
NYC Gopher Fan says:
May 20th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
MnMike: Charlottesville was great. It was graduation at UVA on Sunday. The architecture at UVA was beatiful. We also went out to Monticello.
My question for Loon is since you are not willing to give any information on what infractions are taking place and are unwilling to take any action to correct the situation, why do you continue to bring the subject up? It appears to be a persecution complex or something. Why not keep it to yourself and if one day the NCAA comes down on the Gopher program say “told you so.”
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Did you get “popped” where you sit on vacation?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to have hit a nerve, d_a(sp)_c. As a frequent traveler to Asia, you would certainly be more in tune to the sensitivities of the region. I’ve never been a student of the situation in Burma/Myanmar, so only can go by what I read and hear.
Get the filthy pornographer off the board. I thought this was being monitored now.
Jumbo … Communist dictatorship of the generals and army. Everything owned by them.
A general ordered me shot for not signing a contract even though they refused to sign the payment contract.
d_a(sp)_c, I just read a brief history of the conflict in Burma. I will refrain from using the name Myranmar, a product of the outlaw military junta.
Thank you Jumbo. Burmese and their friends appreciate it. The Burmese people hate the military dictators with a passion. No more brutal regime can be found today.
Good Jeff, so the truth is only what can be proven true in a court of law? No deal. You can post anything about me which is true. That is not what you want. You want to use the Barry Bonds defense that “it is not true until you can prove it.” No deal. Much larger hat size may not be proof in a court of law, but it did show Barry was using steroids. Adult heads do not grow.
By the way Jeff, do you want me to explain how I know about cheating even if it led to NCAA sanctions? I bet not. You would just move on to the page in your script where you would blame me for the sanctions, not the people who denied the wrongdoing.
It is facinating the way you guys drag this debate out every time one word is posted. Why? You certainly do not believe the U could never cheat.
Dirty liar, slime artist, slanderer and back stabber. What a man.
Name calling. Proof.
Slime artist. Proof.
I particularly like this one from Jimbo:
“that are that naive, negative, and full of hate and anger?”
What does “naive” mean in this context? I bet I know what he means, the old “everybody does it” defense.
Oh, the “innocent” being smeared again.
Where would I be without dac, derek, jimbo, taylor and their other brother darek? You guys can pump one hundred lines out of any one line answer.
What a bunch of hog wash.
Loon, I think the issue is that for many here, unlike you, cheating is a big deal. Your cavalier attitude belies your words
Chip says as many expected McNeal commits to Michigan. Who expected that and why? Vinnie is still awaiting his most recent SAT score? How many times is this guy going to take it before they let him into school. He has been out of high school for a year now. Is this what it has come down too with the great Recruiter. Take the guys nobody else wants because of grades from far away and continue to lose the top in state recruits. What has changed from the past staff to the present except for a Rivals rating?
Au contraire mon petit pokeintheeye. Cheating is absolutely not acceptable to me, unlike many who support college football. Even here.
If you re read the interview Chip did with the former players last season, you will clearly see that several suggest that we pay players right out in the open. And, that we stop even expecting them to go to class. Does that, in and of itself, not say anything to you?
I don’t want to get to the Rose Bowl if we have to cheat in order to get there. This coach, last coach, any coach. The only debate within the Goal Line Club is about talking about this outside “the locker room”. Bad.
Loon, how’s about a link to “the interview”?
Well Loon, when Chip gets back maybe he can point us to his interviews where players allude to being paid and not having to attend class (I couldn’t find em).
At the time of homecoming if I recall correctly.
Bud, like the other two pornographers, will stop at nothing to slur and slander Gopher football players.
What a man.
d_a(sp)_c, I must take slight exception to your last comment. Looney Toons is not necessarily a pornographer. An obnoxious, demented, deluded, ignorant racist, yes, but not necessarily a pornographer.
The Loon says:
May 20th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I particularly like this one from Jimbo:
“that are that naive, negative, and full of hate and anger?”
What does “naive” mean in this context? I bet I know what he means, the old “everybody does it” defense.
Oh, the “innocent” being smeared again.
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Looney Toons, intellectually you have not achieved the level of a primate, so I wouldn’t expect you to figure this out. You are naive if you believe everything your clandestine “source” is telling you. If you’re making this stuff up, you are simply a pig.
Loon and Eye like to criticize Goal Line Club members for having access to Brewster and his inner circle.
Whereas they enjoy the exact same thing … having access to inside information. Would this information be coming from Mason and his many close personal friends????
Jumbo … I was just pointing out what a heroic figure Bud is to trash and knife 18-year-old kids in the back for the cardinal sin of wanting to play football for the University of Minnesota. What a man he is.
And it’s especially funny coming from somebody who never got out of 7th grade.
Loon said….Cheating is absolutely not acceptable to me, unlike many who support college football.
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Good thing those tickets you buy to the games don’t support college football in anyway. Oh wait, he’s “not gonna pay more”. Way to take a stand.
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Loon said…The Gophers will never hear a “boooo” from me during a game until the recruiting scandal hits the public domain.
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So you will not “boo” players and coaches that you know have been cheating. Sounds like more supporting of college football.
At least you aren’t a hypocrite.
I don’t boo our team at all. That was a pure invention of our student body once Mason called them too drunk. Booing has no place in the college game, nor does cheating in any way. Nor is your approval of my morality anything I need or seek.
It is time itself which will write the value of Brewster, Maturi, etc. and all the big talk in the world will not change that reality.
“Nor is your approval of my morality anything I need or seek.”
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It’s a good thing because it would not be soon forthcoming from any decent person.
WTF, the Red Star Tribune is now censoring this page?
Yes, pornographers are out of here.
Looney Toons, you are a joke, and a cancer on society. Your “morality” is clearly your own invention. I am thankful to not personally know anyone of your “morality.”
Loon, so this isn’t hypocritical?
Loon knows Minnesota is cheating and he’s against that.
Loon will be in the stands with his purchased tickets on August 30 vs. Northern Illinois.
Yes or no?
Yes, and now you do too. The honest players still have my support. But, not past next season if Maturi is extended. I have been down this road before, several times, and it is becoming a standard around the U.
But, also keep in mind that dropping my season tickets will not end my comments on the program no matter what you guys like or don’t like. Nearly 80 comments in a row about the question of recruiting violations. Way to bury my views.
Isn’t it about time for Backstabbing Bud to knife another 18-year-old in the back for the crime of wanting to play football for the Gophers?
What a heroic figure. What a man.
Rescooter says:
May 20th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Darin Kerns leaving - I think we’ll be Ok here.
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Brewster ran him off, the turnover in this program continues! Right Wren? Loon? PH? LMAOR.
Do not let the individuals on this site trick you into believing that they know something about cheating in the Gopher program. They do not know anything more than the average fan. They are assuming that the recruiting class was signed by giving players extra benefits. There are rules in place for recruiting and if any of those rules were broken, then the NCAA will do its job along with the help from the Gopher compliance office and the violations will be reported. Do not give the individuals that claim to know of cheating the satisfaction of knowing that they are getting to you.
Bud, thanks for your comments.
It is extremely difficult for me to ignore something that implies wrongdoing with no basis in fact. Particularly when it is directed at someone or something that means a lot to me (Gopher Athletics.)
I believe that the sensitivity level for wrongdoing in the Athletic Department is still high from the sins of the 90’s. I believe that Maturi and the Compliance Department are doing all they can to “toe the line.”
I believe that Looney Toons is an evil self-serving hatemonger.
Thanks again.
You sure know how to throw out the complements DAC. Mr. Hill was one of the mid-year players that the Gopher staff had hoped to bring in. Now we know why he did not come in Jan. He is still trying to get the test score to match his GPA. Most college bound students start taking the SAT or ACT test when they are in their JR. year of high school. This player has been out of high school for almost a year now and still has not recieved a score that will qualify him by the NCAA. I have had 3 children go through the University and the average test score at the U these days is 24.2 or a sum of 96.8 on the ACT or a SAT of about 1110. The NCAA clearing house guide lines are 16 core classes at a 2.5 with a test score of 820 SAT or a sum of 68 (17) ACT. I do believe that the athletes should be admitted to the U if they are NCAA clearing house certified. But it is becoming more and more evident that some of the recruits have academic issues that only the U stayed on in hopes of them making it. As I have stated if they are NCAA qualified then more power to them but if they do not make it our class could be short some players. We will know for sure in AUG. But in Hills case we now know what he is waiting on.
Bud says:
May 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Chip says as many expected McNeal commits to Michigan. Who expected that and why? Vinnie is still awaiting his most recent SAT score? How many times is this guy going to take it before they let him into school. He has been out of high school for a year now. Is this what it has come down too with the great Recruiter. Take the guys nobody else wants because of grades from far away and continue to lose the top in state recruits. What has changed from the past staff to the present except for a Rivals rating?
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I knew McNeil was a big Michigan lean, I did not know Hill was still in limbo.
We still are not getting the top players in state? Obviously we haven’t gotten the majority of them, but we did get Maresh and Alipate. I doubt Mason would have landed either player. I would say things have changed, just not enough.
There are plenty of schools that take chances on a few players who may or may not qualify. For a prime example, look to the South of us where the turnover is great. Or look at our own program’s history with guys like Danny Upchurch, Jamar Howard, and Gary Russell.
Just rivals rankings? Have you seen any so called experts who didn’t like Brewster’s recruiting efforts? Seriously, if you have, post them.
Jimbo as I have said before, I believe the University and the Gopher Athletic program are being led by the best group of individuals since I have lived in the great state of MN.
The honest players still have my support.
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You, on the outside of the program, know about the cheating, but the “honest” players who are inside the program aren’t turning in the cheaters? Doesn’t that make them as bad?
See Derek there you go again saying you boubt if The previous staff would have gotten Maresh or Alipate. I don’t know that and niether do you. From all of my contacts they say both of those individuals wanted to stay close to home. In Maresh’s case his family was tired of driving up to Fargo every other weekend in the fall. I knew he would stay solid to the U. Alipate did not have any BCS offers early and he wants to stay close to his family. GOOD I am happy for that and any reason that a MN kid wants to play for the Gophers. You are also correct that schools do take chances on players that have academic issues. But how many and at what time do you cut bait and move on?
Backstabber … Why not just keep your mouth shut and wait to see if he qualifies rather than using every opportunity you can find to trash a kid who wants to play for the Gophers?
Bud, I’m sure your comments will raise the dander of Looney Toons and Wren.
You and I see eye to eye on Bruininks and Maturi.
Some of the top kids are leaving because it’s still not cool to be a Gopher. In the Old days most boys in the state grew up wanting to play for the Gophers, but because of the past 35 yrs. it hasn’t had the luster. It will take some yrs. of winning and a better relationshiip with the HS’s before this happens again. Will Brewster be able to do it??? He is at least makeing the effort with the coaches and thats a big start. Stay tuned, but lets drop all the negativity for a yr or two.
As for Coach Roof, for what I saw during spring practice, he was a huge find. But the kids have to be able to pick up what he is teaching. Most did well in drills, but forgot some in the spring game. It has to become second nature and that will take time and we will just have to hope they can do it. He works well with kids, seems to know when to get on them and when not to.
david_allen_coe says:
May 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am
Yes, pornographers are out of here.
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Why are still here then you stupid, f’ning, hillbilly moron?
david_allen_coe says:
May 21st, 2008 at 11:33 am
Isn’t it about time for Backstabbing Bud to knife another 18-year-old in the back for the crime of wanting to play football for the Gophers?
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“GENERALLY,” the only ones who would fall for punky’s line of B/S are your 2.0s and multi-ACT takers. How many times did you take it, DAC-off?
littlebigboy says:
May 21st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
As for Coach Roof, for what I saw during spring practice, he was a huge find. But the kids have to be able to pick up what he is teaching. Most did well in drills, but forgot some in the spring game. It has to become second nature and that will take time and we will just have to hope they can do it. He works well with kids, seems to know when to get on them and when not to.
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Rock, were you at the ‘08 spring game?
Jeff, which of the honest players on the Clem Haskins team blew the whistle on the cheating that was wide spread?
And why won’t they? Because, in part, they could not prove their point. It was true that cheating was going on, but until what’s her name blew the whistle, proof was absent.
Who needs proof? We have the internet. Loon posts it so it’s true.
The racist liars, backstabbers, and filth peddling pornographers posting here have one common goal — to tear down the Gopher football program.
david_allen_coe says:
May 21st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
The racist liars, backstabbers, and filth peddling pornographers posting here have one common goal — to tear down the Gopher football program.
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No, I have a goal of meeting you in the Burlinton Northern freight yard some night after midnight…..
Yes, thats how I know they didn’t do what they were doing in drills the day before.
We all know the cheating accusations are Loon’s way of covering his back. This cheating stuff is getting boring. Loon has no evidence so stop asking for it. Until he gives proof why should anyone believe him.
Loon has said some ridiculous stuff. He even had the nerve to say our previous coach Mason knows nothing about college football. Why should anyone believe what comes out of his mouth?
I know brewster cheats too.
I’m sure you do Recruiting. Give us some insight about what is going on and the cheating that is happening at the U. Like Loon you’ll say it won’t change anything so why should I? Until you offer proof, it’s the same old boring stuff.
LBBoy—anyone on the D-side of the ball really stand out in your mind?? Any returning players really show some improvement??
Gold04: Some people cannot take a hint. Recruiting’s posts are either ignored or get deleted. I wish he’d find another hobby, because he’s failing at this and wasting our time.
Seeing the stadium going up reminds me of Oregon State’s stadium in Corvalais. They’re putting some nice ideas into practice
Scooter, Crudeboy thrives on failure. He is a lifelong loser with no family, no friends, and no future.
Jumbo … Cruding is a filthy smut peddler. A pornographer pure and simple.
Rescooter,
Loon talking about cheating and Wren about zero Big Ten wins is the same old boring stuff over and over again. Reading their posts is like watching paint dry. I know what those two are going to say if Brewster starts winning.
Loon - Anyone can win when you are cheating.
Wren - Brewster has finally decided to coach rather then recruit all the time.
The back tracking will start if Brewster turns things around.
Bud says:
Do not let the individuals on this site trick you into believing that they know something about cheating in the Gopher program. They do not know anything more than the average fan. They are assuming that the recruiting class was signed by giving players extra benefits. There are rules in place for recruiting and if any of those rules were broken, then the NCAA will do its job along with the help from the Gopher compliance office and the violations will be reported. Do not give the individuals that claim to know of cheating the satisfaction of knowing that they are getting to you.
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Bud, I agree with your post wholeheartedly! Loon and Wren criticize Goal Line Club members all the time for their access to Brewster. Yet, they like to infer that they are the sole bearers of “inside information”. It sounds like their access is to Mason and his inner circle.
The pot calling the kettle black??!!
david_allen_coe says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:07 am
Jumbo … Cruding is a filthy smut peddler. A pornographer pure and simple.
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True. But he is also a loser, with no prospect of a productive life.
True on all counts. A zero.
Scooter, I’m not at all familiar with Oregon State’s stadium. In what ways is TCF Bank Stadium going to be similar?
Jimbo; Oregon State’s Reser Stadium was built at ground level. A 2nd deck was added awhile ago, but here’s a picture that show’s how TCF will look:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oregonstatebeavers-reserstadium.jpg
You’ll obviously want to add http://www. in there, but this image is strikingly similar.
I see what you’re talking about, Scooter. Very nice. It gets me all pumped up over the new stadium (again!)
Taylor, did Mason cheat? Be careful what you ask for “Taylor”, you may get what you want some day soon.
I hear Jesus cheated in his recruitment of the twelve apostles.
I heard that from Looney Toons, and he would know, right?
Bud says:
May 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm
See Derek there you go again saying you boubt if The previous staff would have gotten Maresh or Alipate. I don’t know that and niether do you. From all of my contacts they say both of those individuals wanted to stay close to home. In Maresh’s case his family was tired of driving up to Fargo every other weekend in the fall. I knew he would stay solid to the U. Alipate did not have any BCS offers early and he wants to stay close to his family. GOOD I am happy for that and any reason that a MN kid wants to play for the Gophers. You are also correct that schools do take chances on players that have academic issues. But how many and at what time do you cut bait and move on?
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I’ve repeatedly stated at nausem that I supported coach Mason and am thankful for him being the Gophs coach. That said, Maresh had zero interest playing for Mason and yes I heard that straight from him. I’m guessing on Alipate from what I’ve heard from others.
At what time do you cut bait and move on? That is a case by case basis. With most schools oversigning, it limits the risk.
The Loon says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
Taylor, did Mason cheat? Be careful what you ask for “Taylor”, you may get what you want some day soon.
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I heard he did, but I have no proof whatsoever. Maybe I should continue to rant about it all day long? What do you think “Loon”?
DAC-off & Bimbo,
I have no life?? Who among us has no life but this boring little message board tribune to cheater tim? Post after post after post at all hours of the day and night. Its pitiful is what it is. This person “with no life” pities you!
Thanks for your pity, Crudeboy. Be assured, it means a lot to me.
I think Taylor did not answer the question either way. In a way, I am asking him to lie and he has, thus far, not answered.
But, as I said before, the interview Chip did with the former players tells you all the answers you really want to know.
Loon says, “But, as I said before, the interview Chip did with the former players tells you all the answers you really want to know.”
Tell you what. Go to the top of this page to the search request. Use the pull-down menu to select news. Type chip scoggins in the input area to the right of the pull-down and hit GO. You will get all his articles for all of last season (plus some). When you find your article just post the link back here. (I could not find anything remotely like what you are talking about.)
Nov. 15, 2007. The Forty Year Drought.
“cut to the chase”. What do they mean when they praise Holtz? They mean, Luther Darnville (sp?).
The Loon says:
Taylor, did Mason cheat? Be careful what you ask for “Taylor”, you may get what you want some day soon.
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I have no idea if he did. But I would never presume to think he did.
What do you mean … “Be careful what you ask for, you may get what you want some day soon”.
WTF does that mean?????? What am I asking for?????
Loon, you really have special powers to know what I want???!!!! I don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about!!!!!
Derek, one year after you should have gone to college might be a starting point for cutting bait. You say you heard it from Mareshs mouth and I heard it from his fathers mouth. You do know that his dad is the wrestling coach at CP correct. You have your source and I have mine. Do you think we are going to get RH or MG? They are the only other two 2009 prospects with multiple offers left in the state.
Texas, It’s tough to evaluate how kids will perform in the fall, but I would say that DE’s Henderson and Onwuachi both showed marked improvement, however they have a ways to go but did show flashes of what might be there. At LB Sharp is one hard nosed character, but must learn to control his aggressiveness, but could be a big help. Mannion has made huge strides, can’t wait to see how he does against someone other than our offense, makes plays all over and keeps his angles. He could be a big factor. Marc Sherels looked good for only being there a short time, could be a good nickle back. Brock is a football player, and I think will be better than Barber!!! Collado looked good on coverage, but still has trouble on the run. He is a little guy and doesn’t look like he likes to hit. Overall looks improved, but still a long way to go as a unit. My 2 cents worth.
Taylor,
If you do not know the answer to my question, as you say, then you do not know anything worth knowing in regards to the Mason/Maturi relationship. That is fine by me, but it does mean that you know nothing about the Brewster/Maturi deal either. That was the real question I was asking, “do you know?” You say you do not.
You see, I know that I was not on the inside of anything and knew no one who was a real insider. Yet, I am 100% certain I could answer that question. It is telling that you could not (or would say you could not). Henceforth, do not pretend to know what Maturi is doing. You do not know or are lying.
Please allow me to repeat, it is perfectly OK if you do not know the answer to my question.
I do not know how people can be optomistic about this season when there are so many questions at so many positions. If Mason was again coach, I would be thinking we could not count on this being much more than a rebuilding year with an outside chance of a few BT wins. With what Brewster showed last year and with brand new players being counted on at so many positions, I just don’t get the optomism.
I mean, what would the teams we would be expected to beat have to look like in order to be more speculative than we look?
We need to beat NIU before any optomism would make any sense at all. At all.
Lou Neeetick says,
“You see, I know that I was not on the inside of anything and knew no one who was a real insider.”
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Thank you, moron. We knew that all along.
Say goodbye to the filthy little pornographer Cruding. He invited me to meet him at the “Burlinton” railroad after midnight. It took a lot of Mapquesting to find the “Burlinton” railroad but I did.
I’ll let Jim Croce tell the rest:
“and when the cuttin’ was done
the only part wasn’t bloody was the sole’s of the pornographer’s soles …
Yeah, Cruding was cut in about a hundred places and he was shot in a couple more … “
The Loon says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I do not know how people can be optomistic about this season when there are so many questions at so many positions. If Mason was again coach, I would be thinking we could not count on this being much more than a rebuilding year with an outside chance of a few BT wins. With what Brewster showed last year and with brand new players being counted on at so many positions, I just don’t get the optomism.
I mean, what would the teams we would be expected to beat have to look like in order to be more speculative than we look?
We need to beat NIU before any optomism would make any sense at all. At all.
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Its not “optomism,” its ignorance…
Predictions
Mason will win a national title the next place he coaches.
The Loon says:
Please allow me to repeat, it is perfectly OK if you do not know the answer to my question.
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What is your question?????
How could Mase win a National Championship? Where? Who would hire him after his sub par .500 season after season in the Big 10? I think he should go to someplace like Akron or Miami of OH. Home turf to him and he can play against Ohio State and always say that there are no moral victories speach and really mean it.
LBBoy—thanks for the feedback. Your post is what this site is supposed to be about, not the other BS that takes up 90% of the space. I hope you can continue to give us some first hand observations. Nice job.
Sorry, I had to put myself down as Final Fool. It is very hard to come up with new material as spring ball is over and we can not get good looks at the team over the next few months.
I agree with you Tex, football comments should be the only comments on the board.
There is a HS Junior here in Northfield that might merit a look as a punter in a year or so. He is going to camps to improve his technique, but this kid is as big as most linebackers and is still growing. He has decent technique now and is working very hard to improve it to get a D-I scholarship.
Anybody else know of up and coming talent that deserves a look by Brewster in state!
–There is a HS Junior here in Northfield that might merit a look as a punter in a year or so. He is going to camps to improve his technique, but this kid is as big as most linebackers and is still growing.–
I guess like the rest of the guys on a squad, even the punters are getting bigger. I remember back in the 80’s you could easily pick out the punter & kicker on a college or pro. They were the scrawny/and or short guy who looked out of place in pads.
Bud says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Derek, one year after you should have gone to college might be a starting point for cutting bait. You say you heard it from Mareshs mouth and I heard it from his fathers mouth. You do know that his dad is the wrestling coach at CP correct. You have your source and I have mine. Do you think we are going to get RH or MG? They are the only other two 2009 prospects with multiple offers left in the state.
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At one point I heard RH was almost a done deal, but now he is getting alot more interest from several schools. I think we have good standing and will be one of the finalists.
Guys I know think MG will committ to the Gophs. I like this kid’s potential at DE.
littlebigboy says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Texas, It’s tough to evaluate how kids will perform in the fall, but I would say that DE’s Henderson and Onwuachi both showed marked improvement, however they have a ways to go but did show flashes of what might be there. At LB Sharp is one hard nosed character, but must learn to control his aggressiveness, but could be a big help. Mannion has made huge strides, can’t wait to see how he does against someone other than our offense, makes plays all over and keeps his angles. He could be a big factor. Marc Sherels looked good for only being there a short time, could be a good nickle back. Brock is a football player, and I think will be better than Barber!!! Collado looked good on coverage, but still has trouble on the run. He is a little guy and doesn’t look like he likes to hit. Overall looks improved, but still a long way to go as a unit. My 2 cents worth.
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I agree on Brock. I also look forward to seeing him squash a few PR’s.
I also agree on the DE’s. I think the most improved will be Onwuachi, he looks real good this year. WVD hopefully will return to 06 form.
I’m not as high on Mannion as you appear to be, I expect him to be a special teamer though.
I like what Sharpe and Tate bring to the table at LB. Tate may be a year or two away, but the kid looks the part.
I’m starting to worry as much about our RB’s and Oline as anything. Bennett hasn’t shown me much. If Thomas returns healthy, I’d feel alot better. At this point, Lipscomb looks like the starter in 09. I’m concerned about who is going to play tackle next year and keep Weber’s jersey clean.
Recruiting says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
DAC-off & Bimbo,
I have no life?? Who among us has no life but this boring little message board tribune to cheater tim? Post after post after post at all hours of the day and night. Its pitiful is what it is. This person “with no life” pities you!
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I think visiting 5 different web sites ripping Minnesota under numerous names pretty much proves you have no life. Poor little pigeon.
Prediction
Brewster will win a National Championship at Minnesota!
gold04 says:
May 24th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Prediction
Brewster will win a National Championship at Minnesota!
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You would think he had already done that……….given what he wants to charge for tickets in TCF!!!!!!!!!
the former coach? Is this campaign aimed at paying back the General Fund money that is owed on that boondoggle?
Note to maturi: Your football coach has to win a lot of Big Ten games in order for you to try to launch this campaign. The fantasy recruiting publicity won’t cut it with the general public. Most really aren’t that interested in fantasy recruiting rankings. They are interested in Big Ten wins!
You had probably better rescind your mesOr, with the bulk of it be spread out among the non-revenue sports and Title IX teams?
Does maturi have a clue what that 0-8 Big Ten season did to his “launch” of the pay extra for your ticket campaign? Why didn’t he hire a big name, experienced football coach who would have won some games in 2007?
How about all the millions he spent buying out sy move maturi. Revisit it after a year in which the coach at least takes the team to a bowl game.
Just because you are building a 50,000 seat stadium doesn’t mean that people will respond well to mandated donations following a 0-8 Big Ten season.
You aren’t using your head very well maturi. Perhaps it’s time for you to save face and step down now. The new AD can launch a better campaign than you can following your miserable showing with your coach during the 2007 season.
I was just waiting to see which Masonite I could get to respond about Brewster and a national championship and I thought Recruiting was a sure bet.
The Brewsterites really did not respond about Mase winning a national championship!
I am clocking out with another school year in the books and heading up to the land of lakes soon. To all current and prospective U of M football players, the great majority of the state of Minnesota is behind you 100% and will be pulling for you in the fall. To all U of M supporters, keep the faith, the next 5 years will be an exciting time to be a Gopher fan. And lastly, to the cynics and backstabbers, find another site. Constructive critism and contrarian views are welcome, but deliberate attempts to bring down the program with lies and innuendos is just plain bush-league. Have a good summer.
I can afford the new pricing system. Where I sit though is between the 40’s. The Gopher fan base that occupies that section is advanced in age. You can tell that the fans in those sections have been there for quit some time. I would suspect that a majority of those fans are on a fixed income and they feel betrayed because all their priority points will not save them from moving out of the middle sections because they can not afford the seat tax. The U had better hope that there are enough new season ticket holders to move in and fill the middle of the stadium. The policy is in place now so there is no turning back. Will the new stadium be enough to override another poor season if the Gophers do not do well in 2008? Will the unsold premium seats be on sale to walk up spectators on a game by game basis during the season? If so you might see individuals saving some money and only going to the games that they want to see. This will be interesting. I do not think that 2009 will be the bench mark. 2010 will be the year at which we will be able to see if we can sell out 50,000 seats.
Well, well, well tex: You are not trying to define what and who and how a Gopher fan is? Pretty risky business for some out of state dude or dudette. The Gophers had better hope that we long timne Gopher season ticket holders son’t quit on ‘em because we have put our money where our mouths are for one hell of a long time by shelling out hard earned cash to keep thde season tickets even through all of the really tough times. Through all of the Wilderness years and still even now as macturi is doing his darndest to return ut to the wilderness with his inexperienced gm/recruiter who is 0-8 in Big Ten play a lot of us old guys have been paying hard, cold cash for our tickets.
Well here is a clue: I am going to stay on macturi, prexy b and the gm/recruiter until they start winning a lot of Big Ten games or replace the weak gm/recruiter…ad to bring in some one who will do it right. Got that tex? You do NOT defene who is a Gopher Fan…how that Gopher fan has to be and you sure as heck don’t shut the plain truth talkers up. The plain truth is that brewster and macturi and prexy b are 1-11 since they started playing their games. They are bringing in a new system of ticket sales that stabs a LOT of long time season ticket holders in the back. And they are -11 overall and 0-8 in Big Ten play. That says all that has to be said about brewster, macturi and prexy b.
People like you, tex are going to do more to drive away the common, every day fans who will swing the balance one way or another for long-term support of Gopher Football. It is going to take a heck of a lot of Big Ten wins during the next few years to get that done.
And tex, I’d give you an f for your efforts to drive people who have eyes and actually understand what a 1-11 record…0-8 Big Ten record means on Game Day Saturdays. I am a Gopher fan and I will do it MY way…not the way some silly little texan says.
Wren, what is wrong with the statement, “Constructive criticism and contrarian views are welcome ….”?
There was just an article this weekend saying we were ninth in the Big Ten in football revenue. Just how do you think we are going to play with the big boys at that revenue level?
Bud … Thanks for the comments. I think you are making some good observations on the seating priority system.
I have had my seats more than 30 years and I am on the 35-yardline. I too can afford the tariff but I think it is a little tough on others who have had seats a long time to find out their loyalty over the decades is not enough to keep their good seats.
Poke … There is only one way we are ever going to play with the big boys. That is through recruiting real Big Ten calibre football players. Brewster looks like the guy to do that.
Where Wren and the naysayers are totally wrong is to think that Maturi could have ever found a big name head coach to take the Minnesota job. It simply was not in the cards.
Maturi made the only choice available to move the program to a higher level and that was to hire a guy who can recruit. And recruiting at Minnesota is one of the toughest jobs in college football right now.
I doubt there are five coaches in the country who could do it right now. Brewster is one of them so I count the Gophers as lucky to have him.
hey there poke: are you sure that much of that revenue will go to the football program? If so, how much? How much will go to the non-revenue sports and Title IX sports? How are they going to split that football revenue money up? I can guarantee you that not much of that football revenue will be utilized to make sure that the program goes much higher in the Big Ten than that current 9th place. Winning football games is NOT a priority at the U of M. The football program won’t even come close to the wisky-iowa levels. It hasn’t for decades and it won’t now.
How much of that money will go to paying back the coaching buy outs that macturi borrowed money to do? That money has to be reapid to the General Fund.
brewster, macturi and prexy b have got to show that they are serious about football with Big Ten wins…a lot of them during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. Then they might not seem quite so foolish with theirnew revenue raising plans. It takes wins…lots of Big Ten wins. It takes bowl games. Lots of bowl games. It takes big time improvements over what they just abandoned and spend millions and millions of borrow dollars to abandon. Recuriting hype doesn’t amount to diddly squat unless it equates to Big Ten wins…lots of Big Ten wins…and bowl games…lots of ever improving bowl games. And don’t forget about ever increasing numbers of graduated players and the running of an honest, clean program.
That is when you can put the big time demands on season ticket holders and they might even take the whole deal seriously. 1-11…0-8 in the Big Ten just doesn’t get it done.
Wren … I guess you can be forgiven for not understanding that all university athletic departments are under precisely similar obligations to support non-revenue sports. That is nothing unique for Minnesota to deal with. It is something called law.
Building a good team does not rely upon revenues. It relies upon hard work and talented recruiters on the coaching staff who are capable of showing good kids a vision for the future.
Jim Tressel could not recruit good players to Minnesota with triple the revenue enjoyed by Ohio State.
d_ac_: I guess you can be forgiven for failing to understand that you don’t raise the prices when you go 0-8 in the big ten even if all the revenuye goes to non-revenue sports and title IX sports.
Let’s cut the money for brewster then since building a good team does not rely upon revenues. Hell, let’s cut the budget and try it at the absolute lowest budget in the Big Ten. Cut those over priced assistant coaches wages. Yes, money has nothing to do with it d_a_c. Let’s really do a budgetectomy then and really go bare bones.
You know it all don’t you d_a_c? What a laugh. d_a_c says that the U of M is wasting entirely too much money on it’s football program. No coach can recruit and win at Minnesota at any cost. So, slash the football budget! That’s quite the little philosophy dude. What the heck is macturi thinking wasting all that money for a 9th place budget for the football program. Let’s give all the money to the non-revenue sports and title IX programs and be better than those other programs who spend more on all their programs including football…and…actually win some Big Ten Football Games!
The AD has already said what the fees will be used for, rides. Football rides will be a small part of that.
I could pay the bribe price, indeed, I sat on the 50 for three years by paying a bribe. However, I will not. I’m not giving the U a penny until Maturi takes his “plausible deniability” routine with him into retirement.
I find the whole timing to be very cynical. They waited until the oldtimers had all ponnied up this year. Had they lauched this “rape of the loyal” before this year’s season tickets were sold, they would have lost some people.
Bud is correct, any bribe seats not sold will go up on general sale and to scalpers. Once the Air Force game is past (especially if we lose) it could get real, real silly in a hurry. As I have said before, I will not renew after 2009 if Maturi is renewed. I’ll just buy 50 yard line seats from the scalpers from time to time if I want. I have the money and do not need to be assured of anything by Maturi or his ilk.
If this is another bad Big Ten season, a lot of folk are going to get very, very, very thin lipped about the program going into 2009. So we will have “Throw Away Season, Part II” in 2008 and then “Fire Dunbar and Maturi Season” in 2009. 2010 will be “Were the Hell Do We Go From Here Season” unless Brewster learns to coach in a hurry.
If the new fees discourage the likes of Loon and Wren from going to Gopher football games, I’m all for it! We do not need a fan base like that.
I’m all for keeping it real, but their obssession with Maturi, Bruininks, et al is a little weird.
The one thing I am thankful for is the fact that Loon and Wren are not alumni. People like that get weeded out of the University fairly quickly as they can’t cut it.
Yeah, right rescooter. I’m greatful that sooner, rather than later you will show your fair weather traits and will bag tail and disappear if the losing continues at the alarming rate that brewster is losing. How long have you been a fan of the Gophers? I’ve been at it for over half a century. When and if these bogus recruiting rankings fail to produce big time Big Ten winners people like you will be history.
You know, an undergraduate degree from the U of M doesn’t really trump an undergraduate degree from many other schools right here in Minnesota. What you have is an out of control mob scene with huge lecture classes populated by rum-dums who take five or six years to finally get degrees..if they get them at all. Those people aren’t even around for the third quarter of brewster ball games.
A graduate degree from might mean a bit more…but, the udnergraduate mobs and masses are very ordinary and are pretty much out of touch with the reality of their situations. That would be people such as yourself rescooter. How dare you try to tell fifty year plus fans of Gopher Football to take a hike or to do anything. Punky mouthed youngsters are so annoying some times.
You want to start getting nasty with your foolish talk and we can most certainly hold discussions about the error of your thinking and claims. If you want to get pissy, I’ll get pithy in return. U of M undergraduates aren’t any mucking fuch more than any other undergraduates and as a whole are less than some other undergraduates at some colleges right here in Minnesota. You can take that to the bank dude or dudette, which ever your individual case may be.
thewrenagain says:
May 27th, 2008 at 7:32 am
A graduate degree from might mean a bit more…but, the udnergraduate mobs and masses are very ordinary and are pretty much out of touch with the reality of their situations.
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Thanks for that wren (idiot, moron, miscreant.) I will sure to share that with my sons and all fellow alumni.
I am extremely proud of my undergraduate degree from the University of Minnesota, as are all alumni I know. Your opinion is obviously based on hatred, ignorance and envy.
It’s no wonder people despise you.
By the way, wren, from what fine institution did you attain a degree? “Greatful?” I’m really impressed!
jimbo: You know, I am certain that many people are very proud of their undergraduate degree from any number of the very fine private colleges in the state of Minnesota. So what? Big deal. An undergraduate degree is an undergraduate degree. There are PLENTY of private colleges within the state of Minnesota who have had the history of being much more selective in the admissions process than the U of M has been. There are plenty of private colleges in the state of Minnesota that are ranked higher in their catagories than the U of M undergraduate programs are.
Despise me all you want jimbo. Coming from you, that is an extreme compliment. You show your true colors over and over again. You also show how insecure you are by being an name-calling impotent fool. When you start trying to insinuate that you are one bit better than anyone else, the way you always try to do…you show me what a shell of an individual you are. A mere hollow shell of a man tries to call others terms such as “idiot…moron…miscreant…” I certainly hope your sons are more complete, self-confident human beings than the hollow shell of a man you present yourself to be.
You are an incredible boor, wren. I ask again, where did you go to college?
thewrenagain says:
May 27th, 2008 at 8:53 am
There are PLENTY of private colleges within the state of Minnesota who have had the history of being much more selective in the admissions process than the U of M has been. There are plenty of private colleges in the state of Minnesota that are ranked higher in their catagories than the U of M undergraduate programs are.
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No doubt you are correct. When I went to college, being from a large family, I had to pay my own way. Private colleges were not an option. I am proud to say that I graduated with no debt, and a degree that helped me to be successful in the career I chose.
My children chose the University of Minnesota for 2 reasons. The U of M was ranked highly in each of their choices of major, and they were proud to attend the same college as their father.
I don’t despise you, wren. I pity you.
jimbo: What difference does it make where anyone obtains an undergraduate degree from? The accredited colleges all provide the opportunity for an undergraduate education. What an individual gets out of an education depends upon what an individual invests of themself in obtaining that education. Some individuals try to cheat their way through their undergraduate educations (recall the haskin’s scandal?) That can happen at any number of places. At some places that would not happen because it would be too obvious.
Individuals who try to claim to have a better education because they obtained their undergraduate degree from one specific college or university are trying to obtain some false sense of security by osmosis or because of some foolish notion they have that one place is superior to another. It all depends on how much work you did, how much effort you put into your education and how well you utilized the resources that were available to you.
Quite frankly, during my lifetime, I have known plenty of individuals who were incredibly intelligent, successful and well-rounded who didn’t even obtain an undergraduate degree. There are plenty of people in “…The Greatest Generation…” who were incredibly successful who never attended a day of college in their life.
You try to be a snob…but…I don’t think you are good enough to be snobish about anything. I know I am not good enough at anything to be snobish about anything. And, hopefyully, if I am good enough at some things to be “snobish” about it, God forgive me if I would try to act that way.
Act like you are a mere mortal jimbo…believe me…you are no more than that. Neither am I.
wren;
Most people that graduate from a college or university are proud of the place that they received their degree from. That’s why you have alumni associations, foundations, and boosters.
You should be proud to tell others what institute of higher learning you received a degree from, because you are a representative and promoter of that institution. In other words, you do not appear to be a graduate of anything.
From reading your posts, I belive you are a bitter/hateful person and that you’re under the false assumption that you’re somehow a victim. People like you claim entitlement without having to work for anything of value. You sit on this sight day after day offending true fans and trying to spread your hatred. You are a sorry sort - and I agree with Jimbo….one to be pitied.
Wren, you are the first person in my entire life to call me a snob.
I’m not being snobbish (please note spelling) when I defend the University of Minnesota. I realize there are more highly accredited institutions out there, but to say, “…the udnergraduate mobs and masses are very ordinary and are pretty much out of touch with the reality of their situations” is a bit insulting, and a slap in the face of people like me who worked damned hard to get their degrees.
I’m pretty much under the impression that you are not an alumnus of any college. So be it. But don’t be insulting those of us who worked hard to attain a degree, despite your opinion of the University.
And by the way, the greatest man I ever knew never attended one day of college, and was a hero in the United States Navy during World War II. That, of course, would be my Dad.
rescooter: how incredibly short-sited of you to try to make any kind of judgement upon someone by reading an emotions laced blog spot on the internet.
Because I believe maturi and prexy b have boggled their naming of a new football coach and the direction they are taking this program is based upon my observation of a 1-11 eason in 2007 that included a 0-8 Big Ten record and was directed by a “no name”, inexperienced coach named brewster. The 2007 season was one of the worst seasons I have ever had to witness for the U of M Football Program in over half a century of watching Gopher Football.
Who are you, rescooter to attempt to judge me for what I witnessed in 2007?
You know, rescooter, some people on this board found out I was in the military and they have posted that information…information including my street address and have basically made attacks on my family members.
Why would I give out any personal information? The dirty trick players from gh, gi and the booster club love to try to intimidate me by attacking everything about me.
Why? Because I am telling it the way I see it about prexy b, maturi, brewster and the direction the football program is headed at the U of M.
The way you attempt to attack me, you would appear to be the bitter/hateful person here rescooter. You try to make brewster out to be a victim. Quite frankly, I have never received any kind of entitlement. I put my time in the military…served where they wanted me to serve and gave four years of my life to them in the process. What have you done rescooter?
You try to infer that a fan of over half a century is not a “true fan.” What the hell is a “true fan,” rescooter? Are you a true fan? How long have you been a “true fan?”
You better get off your high horse sonny.
Wren, thank you for your service to our country. I mean that sincerely.
I, too, have been a Gopher fan for 50+ years, but my affiliation with and love for the University of Minnesota go way beyond the athletic programs.
Oh ‘couter and Jimbo, how nice of you to lay out your credentials for all of us. Or did you?
But first, allow me to digress. If fans like Wren and I leave the Gophers (neither of us has suggested we will), who will still be in the stadium by the end of our games? I know where Wren sits and I can assure you neither of us were leaving early last year, nor were our guests. But, fully 90%+ of all the other fans were leaving early or never arrived at all. Snowman for example.
So cut the BS about “real fans”, NOBODY on this site can come close to Wren for long term loyalty to the U football team as measured by going to the games. Home, road, bowl, etc. his record beats yours. So shut up about loyalty you silly children.
Now lets get back to degrees, WWII, WWI or any other markers you want to set, I will easily, very easily kick your ass on those counts too. Just let me know if you want to continue to play. I’ll play.
Come on big talkers, let’s go!! No more beating around the bush, let’s get past the “Brewster level” and really show our cards and stop bluffing!!! Who are the real Gopher fans? Let’s go!!!
The Loon says:
May 27th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“But first, allow me to digress. If fans like Wren and I leave the Gophers (neither of us has suggested we will),…”
The Loon says:
May 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
“As I have said before, I will not renew after 2009 if Maturi is renewed.”
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So which is it, Looney Toons?
In the immortal words of Tonto: “White man speak with forked toungue.”
The Loon says:
May 27th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“Now lets get back to degrees, WWII, WWI or any other markers you want to set, I will easily, very easily kick your ass on those counts too. Just let me know if you want to continue to play. I’ll play.”
What?
Loon belches:
“Just let me know if you want to continue to play. I’ll play.”
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Since your life consists only of the internet, here’s something I read recently: “Don’t wrestle with a pig, you’ll end up dirty and the pig will enjoy it.”
So in other words, I will not play your game. What I will do is ask you the question: Besides sitting on the internet spreading lies, what have you done lately?
jimbo: once again you are making problems for yourself with all of your assumptions. Sure, even I obtained an undergraduate degree. After I got out of the service I returned to college and got my degree. If I did it, obviously anyone can do it. Yes, I did put some hard work into it too.
I just think you and rescooter are trying to insinuate that a degree from anywhere other than the u of M is “less than…”, and I will always have to contrast views like that. An undergraduate degree from the U of M is fine…but it is nothing to brag about. It’s just an undergraduate degree. It really doesn’t say very much about anyone who has one. It’s just another undergraduate degree….just as my undergraduate degree is just another undergraduate degree. We all worked, attended, jumped through some hoops and went on our way to the next phase.
You seem to want to make it out to have been a “big deal…” I don’t see it that way.
I think the U of M as an academic institution has plenty of good stuff about it. I also think that it should be very ashamed of some aspects that it presents and has provided and should most certainly be doing more with what it has. It needs to continue to assess it’s goals and evaluate how well it is functioning. The fact that so many undergraduate students take five or six years to graduate is shameful. It really is not a “lower costing” alternative to more expensive colleges that are graduating students in 4 years. That extra year or two kills it’s reputation and it’s cost effectivness.
No ‘couter, that is NOT the game. The game is put up or shut up. So put your cards down on the table. Show us what a great Gopher fan YOU are, what YOU have done with your life, etc. I will then easily kick your ass. Either put down your credentials or shut up. Stop doing a Brewster, actually go for a win, not a good bluff.
No wren, you started this whole thing by implying that a degree from the University of Minnesota was somewhat inferior to one attained somewhere else. Nowhere did I state a degree from another institution was “less than…”
Every academic institution has its share of problems to deal with, we all know that. Give me an example of one that doesn’t.
So I’ve put my cards on the table: Bachelor of Science in Business, University of Minnesota School of Business Administration (pre-Carlson),1972. How about you?
And Looney Toons, all this ass-kicking talk is reminiscent of Ruppert and his enormous son. Why don’t you just fight him?
Looks like Internet Shut-in LoserAllenCoe had itself a fabulous Memorial Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was responding to that post by rescooter in whick HE stated the following: “…The one thing I am thankful for is the fact that Loon and Wren are not alumni. People like that get weeded out of the University fairly quickly as they can’t cut it…”
I reminded rescooter that the U of M undergraduate programs for the large part are not more than average undergraduate programs as compared to many other colleges in the state of Minnesota or even around the big Ten. I was responding to rescooter and I started nothing. So, there you have it jimbo. I will stand by what I said though.
And jimbo: why don’t you quit it with the constant name calling? Is that what the pre-Carlson business admin people were stressing in 1972? It ispretty tacky jimbo…very tacky, indeed. You are giving a bad name to your school, one would think…
I reserve name-calling only for you, wren, when you insult me and things that are important to me.
I ask yet again of wren and Looney Toons. From what fine institutes of higher learning did you acquire your educations? Is there a reason you won’t tell us? You see fit, wren to criticize the academic standing of the University of Minnesota, yet you won’t admit to you academic background. Very curious, I think.
Jimbo says:
May 27th, 2008 at 8:09 am
thewrenagain says:
May 27th, 2008 at 7:32 am
I am extremely proud of my undergraduate degree from the University of Minnesota
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Lool what it did for you, Chat Room Hero!
Yes, Crudeboy, and I’m sure your Mama is quite proud of you and relationship with farm animals.
Those who try to maintain they have their own definition of what it means to be a real fan and that no standard can be applied by others are just selfish children.
Of course there is a standard definition of loyal “fan” and it is the same for the U of M as it is for all other universities.
A true and loyal fan is a fan unconditionally. It is not based on whether Glen Mason remains the coach, or whether Joel Maturi resigns, or whether Adam Weber plays quarterback, nor is it based on the number of white kids from Minnesota on the roster.
In a strong family, love and support between and amongst the members is unconditional. It is the same when supporting your university and football team.
Only selfish children base their support on their choice of coach and if he said a word to them in 1997 or allowed them to carry his bag.
It’s all about being loyal to the program, not to your choice of coach or AD or quarterback.
Jimbo, my screen name is the Loon, not Looney Toons. That is name calling too.
Let us wait a little bit here for ‘couter to show us how much more loyal he is to the U than we are. I want to give him a chance to show what a big shot fan he has been compared to me.
Yikes. Mud up to my eyeballs. Why are people digressing to this degree for any other reason than sheer boredom!
I don’t agree, Looney Toons. I consider it a term of endearment. I’ve always been a big fan of Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd, Tweety Bird, etc.
Oh d_a_c: blind loyalty…unconditional acceptance led to the haskin’s scandal. Wasn’t it amazing that the cheating went on that long and at that level while those who could have done something about it remained silent? And, the professors at the U of M who either looked the other way or were unconditionally loyal let the academic reputation of the U of M go all to hell?
Your blind loyalty trip really is a trip d_a_c. When something is worng…speak up! THAT is what loyal fans do.
Let’s see now, Looney Toons. I’ve never seen Rescooter make baseless accusations of cheating in the program. I’ve never seen Scooter threaten to give up his tickets because of one individual. I’ve never seen Scooter criticize the other fans at the games.
You think because you’ve had tickets for years and years that makes you a loyal fan? You’re a hypocrite, and you know it.
Loon … There is a world of difference between Scooter and you.
He is a real fan because his loyalty is unconditional. You are a child and run with your ball and marbles if you don’t approve of the coach, the AD, the QB, or the racial makeup of the team.
You spend your time trying to tear down Gopher football. Scooter spends his time supporting the team.
You are completely wrong, Wren. It is not the duty of any fan to ferret out a counselor writing a test for a basketball player. That is the job of the university. A fans job is to support the team, not try to tear it down as you are doing.
I truly do hope those of you who can only support the team on your own terms give up your tickets. You are not the standard of a loyal fan base.
You are trying to support a “company line…” What you describe is a closed, sick, enmeshed family system.
Who sets the standards? Who is accountable? Anything…everything goes within such a closed “company line” kind of censure and tolerance for only ONE way of thinking. What happens when the leadership becomes as blind as the blind followers? The blind leading the blind is NOT a good thing.
What happened in that haskin’s deal? It was an incredibly closed system. Before long, the players became involved in the cheating to the extent that even those who were totally capable of doing their own work were having papers written for them. A conspiracy os silence prevailed within the haskin’s fifedom.
Don’t talk to me about blind, closed systems thathave absolute blind, unconditional loyalty, d_a_c. THAT is some pretty sick stuff…
Loon vomits:
“Let us wait a little bit here for ‘couter to show us how much more loyal he is to the U than we are. I want to give him a chance to show what a big shot fan he has been compared to me.”
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I will disclose that when you disclose proof (or even what you think) of the alleged recruiting violations that you so liberally spread among this blog.
Scooter, Looney Toons is a fraud in every facet of his life. He’s not worth our time.
Very true Jimbo. I’m just glad he’s not poisoning the minds of our youth any longer. Giving him the time of day just gives him the opportunity to spew his crap.
Hope all is well with you and yours. Less than 100 days to go until kick-off. Can’t wait!
You’ll like this Scooter. My brother informed me this weekend that his daughter and her boyfriend have called off their wedding, scheduled for October 4 (home game vs. Indiana.) I told him how sorry I was to hear that, but I was leaping for joy inside.
I did’t like the guy, anyway.
Wren … You are a sick human being. Pathetically so. You are so filled with self-loathing that you only know how to try to inflict it on others.
The university is the farthest thing from a “closed family system” in the state of Minnesota. The U of M is a public institution, publicly funded, staffed by government clerks who love nothing more than to trash our athletic programs. There can never be a conspiracy within that environment, other than the liberal conspiracy to destroy bigtime athletics.
Go outside, Wren. Get some fresh air. You should see the beautiful day up here at the cabin. Try to expell some of the sickness and disease from your system.
Liberal conspiracy to destroy bigtime athletics.
Good one. Too funny
Jumbo … My son’s fiancee backed off too on the date of the opening of the new stadium. Life is good.
By the way, I’m spending two hours a day up north hitting soft pitch shots and putting and chipping around the practice green. I hope to be cleared for the real thing by mid-June.
Oh right … I forgot. Two bit liberal clerks and bureaucrats running our universities have the utmost respect for things like our military and football programs. ROTFLMAO!!!!!
How did hoax manage to cheat then? How did haskins carry on his scandal for so very long without anyone at the University of Minnesota having a clue?
While it is too bad that your self-inflicted head flesh wound keeps you so mixed up, d_a_c, your memory about the haskin’s scandal appears to have completely slipped your mind. That was the result of a sick, closed system within the U that was undetected by the professors, the athletic department, the entire administration and every other member of that huge publically funded public institution. You are going to have to try to spin it better than thatd_a_c.
d_a(sp)_c, I’m happy to hear you’ll be at the first game in the new stadium. It wouldn’t be the same without you. I’m glad you were able to talk some sense into your future daughter-in-law!
Wren … The Haskins academic “scandal” was minor, it was discovered, and steps were taken. What more can you ask.
If you wanted to talk about a real scandal you would be talking about Michigan basketball at the same time where all of the fab five were driving around campus in brand new $30,000 cars.
When the press questioned Tractor Traylor about his Cadilac he said it was a gift from his grandmother. A little investigation showed she was on welfare.
Listen to any basketball player from Cincinnati, Louisville, and most of the Big Ten and you will no instantly they had been no nearer a college classroom ever than you have been.
Jumbo … Yes, she will be a good daughter-in-law. She and I are now conducting a spirited debate over the degree of Bielema’s sickness and criminality. (She’s from Whisky).
“….you will know instantly they had been no nearer a college classroom ever than you have been.”
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dac, you’re on role!
According to me, you are at 100%. Get out your King Cobra driver and start hitting the long-ball!
DAC_Your conservative slant on everything is boring.
d_a_c: what a sad, sick sense of right and wrong you have. There is NOTHING more criminal that can happen to an academic institution than to have it’s academic integrity abused and smashed. It was, indeed, a severe blight on the academic reputation of the University of Minnesota to have had so much rampant cheating being conduced by the men’s basketball program over such a long period of time. The scandal made the academic departments look incredibly inadequate. Just look at the severe near death penalty and sanctions that the University of Minnesota suffered at the hands of the NCAA as a result of this academic crime.
A University has nothing but it’s academic reputation. The haskin’s scandal severely shook up and shamed the University of Minnesota’s academic departments.
You are indeed a sick individual d_a_c.
Scooter … Don’t tempt me. One more MRI checkup to go, on June 13.
Why are you talking about Clem Haskin’s? This site is about Gopher FOOTBALL not basketball.
Wren .. Your depravity is boundless. The U caught the problem and cleaned it up. They fired the coach, played patsy to the NCAA, and took the penalties. There is nothing more that anyone could ask.
The irony though is that where real cheating and scandal exists, such as Michigan, the NCAA weenies fear to tread.
If, as you say, public universities have nothing but their academic reputations, most are hurting severely. Real education has been ruined since the ’60s. Just ask the expert from NYC. He knows why just as much as the rest of us but the answer is off limits. Real answers are “boring”.
DAC_anyone who differs from you always gets a ROTFMOSIDHS or is insulted in anyway you deem necessary. That’s what is boring. Change the channel.
Ah, Crudeboy/Pantherhogbreath posing as NYC. Things are back to normal. This depraved creep really needs to get a life.
Actually that is me NYC. Even tho this is a football blog DAC continues to put politics into this discussion and I’m saying that there are conservatives AND liberals who enjoy Minnesota Gopher football.
Oh d_a_c: it was a Pioneer Press reporter who broke the scandal. The U of m had uncovered nothing. That big public institution stood there naked in front of the world when the pioneer press brought the hammer down on the whole sordid affair over at the U.
You are pretty distorted d_a_c. Of course, now your pornography b.s will start running amuk. You are a sad, sick mamma, d_a_c.
If Recruiting et al were posing as me it would have been filled with a much more sexual content
Wren, for a guy who supposedly is a man of the world, a college graduate, a proud former member of the military, etc., your naivete amazes me. Yes, there was academic fraud going on, and yes, someone blew the whistle. The University and the NCAA reacted appropriately. But I want to sell you some Whole Life life insurance if you think for a minute that this wasn’t/isn’t going on in dozens of D-1 programs across the country. They just haven’t pissed off the academic “counselers” (e.g. Jan Gangelhoff) enough for them to come forward. Of course that doesn’t make it right, but Minnesota has paid the price. Now let’s see what happens at places like Cincinnati, Louisville, Ohio State, Purdue, Syracuse, etc. Probably nothing, but I’d be willing to bet there’s academic “cheating” going on in several of those prgrams.
NYC, where did you go to college?
Certainly dac, no one at the U knew anything about widespread academic cheating at the U over several years until a clerk blew the whistle. Is there any chance of that being true? No.
As stated before, my support of anything will never be unconditional. Not any of my countries, not the U, not my family, not myself, not my religion, nothing and nobody gets my unconditional support. Ever.
If, as is the case, I find out from a credible source that cheating is going on, and then check that information with a very, very credible source, the U lost my support for that coach and the AD that has and continues to play along. Really, what is there worth supporting? Throw in Dunbar and his puke spread and what do I have?
A program that does not have my unconditional support.
So go ahead and give your unconditional love and support to Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Adolf Hitler, your Germany, the DFL, the GOP, the Vietnam War, Lance Armstrong or anything else you want me to support.. I will continue to pick and chose as moral decency requires. I love the Gopher football team and many of the players. I do not support the program when it cheats, rapes or commits other immoral acts.
What else could I expect from moral degenerates other than to call me and other decent people like Wren names?
Thank you once again for allowing me the chance to have this forum to refute your views one thousand times. (per day if I feel like it). I’m retired.
Good one Jimbo. Once again, the “everyone is doing it defense”. The U should not be critisized for cheating because “everyone is doing it”.
Yes, I know that is what most of you are really saying, just like Barry Bonds, et al.
Do I detect an unspeakable odor on this blog? I believe it’s emanating from Looney Toons’ last post.
‘Couter did I miss your bold proof of your loyalty to the U? Your long, deep support? Heck, I thought for sure you had some serious seniority or something.
Just Brewster like big talk is not enough.
Obviously, you don’t know how to read either, Looney Toons. Where did I try to defend it? I’m just saying that the Wren’s outrage is misplaced and misdirected. It’s going on in may places. We fixed it.
I ask again, why are you talking about the academic fraud scandel that happened to the basketball program ten years ago when you are supposed to be here talking about GOPHER FOOTBALL?
Come, come Jimbo. Say something with at least the feel of a real education. Pottie talk is so limited.
Gopher 1, both programs are run by the same department and people at the same U.
A university with our almost unmatched record of cheating can not claim virginity anymore than a common street walker can make that claim. The Hoax scandal here was only allowed to slip away because Holtz had been hired by the purest program in the land, that of the Virgin Mary herself, that at Notre Dame (and also the biggest money maker for the NCAA and TV of them all).
Yet our former heroes are quoted in the Strib wishing that we could go back to those cheating days under Holtz.
YOU want to forget we ever cheated before so we can comfortably more forward with more cheating. I do not want that.
Jimbo: St. John’s University Class of 1978
Although after graduating I did take one graduate level class at the University of Minnesota
Jimbo knows. Vindication!!
See NYC, your soulmates here know that cheating is going on. They just don’t care as long as the U gets away with it.
It’s not the cheating that bothers them, it is the informer who brings it out.
You people are all a joke. This is for commenting on Chip’s blog. Stop acting like 6 year olds and comment on the articles or just shut up.
You would take the name of a deceased youngster and make a joke of it? What kind of scum uses long dead youngsters to attempt to hurt a poster? May this come back to haunt you. I would hope no one would ever take the name of one of your deceased relatives in this way. How low will some people go? May you not have to experience a crueldeed such as what you are perpetrating…no matter how much you may deserve it.
You are a liar wayne. Stop being a drama momma. I know you. I can play the game just as well as you.
Doa in 1978…the victim of a drunk driver. You are scum. Maybe it will all come to haunt you one day…as you deserve.
And I will find you if I must. With money, anything is possible. Anything.
Find a different game. Now.
