Stadium update
Posted on May 29th, 2008 – 8:51 PMBy Chip Scoggins
I had a chance to visit the stadium site today for the press conference for the 87-county tribute. I hadn’t been by there in a few weeks and it’s amazing how much it changes and comes into shape in such a short time.
Adam Weber and a handful of players were also there. I talked to Adam after the ceremony and he said almost every time he goes home he drives slowly by the stadium just to see the progress. He said a lot of players do that.
He also said players often look out the window of their players lounge in the football complex and can see the stadium going up.
One of my favorite things about covering college football is visiting the different stadiums on fall Saturdays. I’ve covered Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 football for various newspapers, and I love going to all the different venues and seeing the fans tailgate and come together.
I really think the “experience” factor for Gophers fans will be incredibly different once the team leaves the Dome and moves into the new stadium. You certainly could hear Weber’s excitement as he talked about it today.
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I can’t wait until it opens. 6 games left and we’re home free. The place looks beautiful and they’re in the middle of construction still.
Thank you, Chip. I, too, can’t wait for Air Force in 2009! I’ve been waiting 27 years for this!
Even though we won’t have the history I can almost be certain that TCF Bank will start being talked about with the top stadiums in the country.
There are so many things that this stadium will bring that the Metrodome didn’t provide;
Marching Band Practice Facility
Hall of Fame
Team Store
M Club Room
Club Room
Loge Seats
Recruiting Lounge(maybe the most important)
Even though we won’t have the history I can almost be certain that TCF Bank will start being talked about with the top stadiums in the country.
There are so many things that this stadium will bring that the Metrodome didn’t provide;
Marching Band Practice Facility
Hall of Fame
Team Store
M Club Room
Club Room
Loge Seats
Recruiting Lounge(maybe the most important)
I can’t even begin to describe how pumped up I am for the bank to open! Go Gophs!
If the Metrodome was a modern stadium, I would have been in support of the stadium bill.
I thought the arguement about a stadium on campus was weak when the Metrodome is practically on campus itself. It’s not like the students were having to go way out to Bloomington, or Eagan, or even farther out in the Twin Cities to watch the game.
Since the Metrodome is a old, cheap, run down stadium, I’m FOR the new stadium. I know the Brewsterites and Masonites will rip me on my position about a staduim being on campus, but that’s the way it goes.
I’m sorry one correction. If the Metrodome was a modern stadium, I would NOT have been in favor of the stadium bill.
I guess it really doesn’t matter how you feel. Its getting built and that discussion was 3 years ago.
Gold4, your point about the metrodome almost being on campus is true. What sold me on the new stadium was the income factor. We can not continue to compete in the big ten under our current revinue sharing program with the met-commission. We were getting raped by all the outside interest that had their hands in the U’s pocket on game day. We now have a chance to increase revinues by having an on campus stadium. The stadium is a site to behold, but we had better fill it on game day or it will lose its appeal fast with the general public. We all know how to fill it. This is not field of dreams. We can not say build it and they will come. Maybe in the first year but I do not think they will come in 2010 if we have another poor season.
I think 50,000 is too small, Maturi wants it to look full and get high prices for tickets. Murry Warmath told them a couple of yrs. ago they will be sorry if they build it that small. Even as a few have reminded us once or twice we were 1-11 and we still had games with over 50,000. If they start winning and get the enthusiam that they want, I hope the TV works.
It is what it is and those decisions were, for once, correctly made. For those of you who have not had the privaledge to see “game days” at real college football facilities, we were NEVER, in ten thousand years, going to recruit Minnesota legally and well until we got the 20,000 Iowa or Badger fans out of our stadium. That HAD TO BE the first priority above and way past any other goal.
Now that opportunity is just around the corner for us. True, you pinheads have decided to play a lot of bad football now, but, if that changes, we may be able to have some real “gameday” for a change.
Loon, I don’t play football for the U. So how am I a pinhead?
You dont’ build a church for Easter Sunday. I am beginning to think 50,000 is too big if we still have 7,000 tickets still available.
I want NO opportunity for Wisconsonites or Iowians to make the annual gopher game a fun Mall of America/Gopher game weekend.
Bud … I am still laughing over your naive claims yesterday that the football players at Ohio State and Michigan get their $1,000 gold chains and $300 sneakers by applying for Pell grants and NCAA funding. ROTFLMAO!!!!
Even more hilarious is your silly claim that football players can work during the year because they only have 20 hours per week of football related activity during the season and eight hours a week during the off-season. THAT IS FREAKIN HILARIOUS!!!!!!!
For heaven’s sake, any player than does not put in three times that amount of time a week would be run out of Division II. Playing bigtime college football is a fulltime job.
It is so funny you are believing the ruse and farce put up by the NCAA. These are just fronts so the big guys can cheat as normal and hide behind more liberal rules.
The bottom line is football players don’t have time to work and the NCAA is not paying for $1,000 gold chains. Somebody else is. You need to get realistic.
Bud … I just got off the phone with Rich Rod over at Ann Arbor. He confirmed you are correct. All his players have fulltime jobs during the school year.
Rich said his left tackle is trying anti-trust cases with a local law firm. His defensive end is a dentist, and his lineback is a heart surgeon. Three of his D backs are commuting to Kazakhstan twice a week to explore for oil. Oh, and get this, his entire offensive line is serving as police officers in Iowa City.
Yup, Bud … these guys have plenty of time to work and at Michigan they pull down some pretty good pay.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Come on DAC, that’s a little harsh. I think the REAL Bud…not wren, loon and recruting pretending to be Bud…actually has some good insight now and then. I may not always agree with him but I do think he adds something to this board now and again.
Goph … How do you read into my comments that Bud has no insight nor value to the board? I think the contrary and, if you notice, when he does make a good contribution I compliment him.
You need to understand, Goph, I am here for the fun. When I can poke fun at a dumb statement I do it. I am not here to gratuitously tear down and trash the coach and players like Loon and Wren do and like Bud sometimes does. It’s all about fun.
But seriously, do you really believe that the NCAA has funds for players so they can buy gold jewelry, expensive clothes, cars, and to fly home? Does that sound remotely possible to you?
It is not remotely possible. Yes, they have funds and players can apply. But this is just a ruse to hide the normal under-the-table spending money that is provided by “others” at Michigan, Ohio State and the other big powers.
And the idea that players can work is a total farce. The idea they only put in 20 hours a week during the season and eight hours a week off season is a total joke. So what does the NCAA do? They now allow players to “work” which means at Ohio State, Michigan and the like players can draw paychecks every week for phantom, phony jobs.
It’s that simple.
Oh, and Goph … if in the future you spot that a “Bud” post is from the sow cruding, please point it out. I do not want to go after anyone’s comments if they are not legit.
Gopher1;
I don’t think DAC means any harm by his harshness. He’s gotten after me a few times about my views on Weber being the U’s best QB. He and Jimbo used to get into some real scrums.
If he suddenly turned in to a mild mannered non-controversial poster, I’d be worried. Otherwise, his rants are great. Case in point:
“Oh, and get this, his entire offensive line is serving as police officers in Iowa City.”
Priceless and a literary work of art. Trashing two teams at once….if he could have thrown in Wisconsin, he’d be nominated for a Pulitzer.
Scooter … Actually, that sentence should have read:
“Oh, and get this, his entire offensive line is serving as police officers in Iowa City and driving through Madison on the way to and from to pick up litter.”
Speaking of Madison, I was there this weekend and walked around Camp Randall. Nice football venue (TCF stadium will be much better), but the thing that ruined it for me was seeing this stupid oblisk piece of art at the SW entrance. I don’t know what their idea of art is, but someone needs to use that for a boat anchor. That is one nasty looking sculpture.
Scooter … The reason I am laughing so hard at Bud’s attempts to tell us new NCAA rules put everything above board at places like Michigan and Ohio State is because my (ex) son-in-law played four years of hockey at Michigan for Red Berenson.
During his time he got to know many football players and a few basketball players. He knows exactly how they were taken care of. The idea that Michigan or Ohio State is playing by any kind of rules is absurd.
NCAA rules are there to protect the big powers and to use the patsies as stage props for show trials.
Bud is also smokin’ crack if he thinks any great percentage of guys who go to the NFL draft early ever bother or even care about graduating. Doesn’t happen much.
Now tell me how draft factories like Michigan and Ohio State have any scholarships left after that many 0 for 2s?
Rain clouds all over the state today. The stadium looks wonderful and you fools keep knocking each other upside the head.
Chip - keep us posted on academic progress of the team. It most certainly matters to me, a tax payer.
OneOld … Sure it matters but as a taxpayer you would be a lot more justified worrying about the academic progress of the 20,000 or so students at the U who are there for a party.
One Old Gopher, dac guards this place against anyone who would suggest that we should not just follow the Brewster lead and recruit speed at any price.
I am with you. If the guys don’t want an education or do not have the ability to get an education I do not want them regardless of the impact that has on the football program.
So, d_a_c you say there are 20,000 University of Minnesota students who are totally wasting the taxpayer’s money?
jimbo should be interested in hearing you say that. He labors under the apparent false assumption that an education from the U of M is meaningful in some odd sort of way.
jimbo, your good friend d_a_c insinuates that the University for Minnesota is for rampant partying and nothing else and he believes they should shut the doors to save the tax payers money. He says: “…Sure it matters but as a taxpayer you would be a lot more justified worrying about the academic progress of the 20,000 or so students at the U who are there for a party…”
You better try to tear d_a_c a new one for insulting you and your sons.
I believe that everyone should expect more of the academic programs run for the unvergraduates at the University of Minnesota…and also for the academic standings of the students in the football program.
Recruit STUDENTS who can prosper in the academic community and who can play football on Game Day Saturday.
There MUST be academic integrity clearly demonstrated by the players in the football program and without that, there is NO reason to have a football program. Graduates and Big Ten wins will help insure that the program stays clean and honest.
It is up to you gm/recruiter brewster AND ad, maturi.
gold oh four: I am pleased to say that I have been on the opposite side of virtually every issue with the Gopher Football program than you have been. I strongly supported the building of the new stadium. It was the ONLY shot the Gophers had at continuing to build upon what Coach Mason had brought to the program.
Thank you to coach Mason for his very large role in getting this stadium for the Gophers. As Coach Mason stated many times: it was essential.
I can live with what ever it means for long time season ticket holders.
Unfortuantely, I believe the current ad?recruiter…brewster is headed down many wrong paths. I also believe the ad maturi and prexy b failed to bring in the kind of coach to lead the Gophers into their new stadium who could have maximized the effect of the new Gopher Football home.
I also fear the 1-11 and 0-8 Big Ten record of brewster will be very hard to overcome.
However, the small stadium was needed just to shut out the iowa and wisky fans.
2008 will be a huge season. brewster needs a lot of Big Ten wins. There are what should be 3 sure Big Ten wins in the dome with games there against iowa, NU and Indiana.
The pressure is on him to get those wins. He needs to do that or he and maturi are digging themselves holes that will be too hard to overcome. That’s what happens, maturi and prexy b when you do start charging the premiums in 2009. Expectations go WAY up and if you don’t deliver…you will be history!
Wren,
How are we on the opposite end of the new stadium? We both were FOR the new stadium.
gold oh four, you said: “…I thought the arguement about a stadium on campus was weak when the Metrodome is practically on campus itself. It’s not like the students were having to go way out to Bloomington, or Eagan, or even farther out in the Twin Cities to watch the game…”
IF you didn’t “get” the fact that the Gophers needed an open air, ON CAMPUS stadium…you just didn’t “get it…”
That argument that the stadium was almost on campus was crazy and pure hog wash every time it was ever used.
Look at Big Ten Football. The stadiums are all on campus and are all owned by the individual Big Ten program.
NO other Big Ten Football Program EVER had a game time moved because of a professional sport conflict. The fact that the Gophers were the third and lowest ranking tenant in the damn dome was MORE than enought reason to ditch that stupid off campus professional stadium asap.
IF you didn’t understand that the Gophers needed their own stadium, then you understood nothing.
Since brewster, maturi and prexy b are off to such a miserable start in the launch of the new Gopher On Campus stadium, it is essential to fight any kind of move by the vikings for them to build a new stadium with ANY kind of public assistance. Keep the vikings in the dome until they abandon the Minnesota territory and head to another city that might provide public funding for an nfl franchise owned by a billionaire real estate developer.
Make wilf so frustrated that he sells the vikings to someone who will move them out of town. THAT would be the best thing for Golden Gopher Football that has happened since the Lakers bagged tail for LA!
Make the timberpukers stay in their joke of an arena until they either fold or move out of state too.
The Gophers need to win some battles over the professional sports teams and then they will start getting more local recruits.
The vikings have always been the worst enemy of the Gopher Football Program…other than the long list of U of M prexy’s and administrators.
No new stadium for the vikings in Minnesota…EVER!
Wren,
I know you use to walk to school uphill both ways in two feet of snow to get to school during the winter. If you can still manage to get to school the students can manage to find a stadium right next to the U campus.
This site is a little like the politics in this country. One side can say that cheating is going on and get blasted for it and in the next post another person can go on and on about the cheating at other schools and nothing is said. Not even a prove it or tell me how they are cheating. DAC, did your mother ever tell you two wrongs do not make a wright? You are some type of a conspiracy guy how just knows that everything happening out there for a reason. And it all has do do with keeping the Gophers down at the bottom of the barrel. If you have not figured it out yet DAC, only 0-2 cause a school to lose scholarships. Let the schools and the NCAA do their job and you stay close to this site and monitor all the posts. Stick to something you can handle.
I am so glad we are getting a new stadium on campus and it is looking great. This is one big step in bringing Minnesota football program to greatness. Where the students and fans could have a great experience. Yes it was Mason that helped get the stadium, but unfortunately he was not too interested in helping raise the money or capatilize on it to bring in talent. Plus too many heartbreak losses got him fired. Now we have Brewster that is selling the stadium, the program, and bringing in talent. His last season was just awful, but I think he learned a lot from that. Now will he lead us to the promised land he said he will, we just need to wait and see. He is doing some good things now plus there is only one way get can go up from here and that is UP!
mn cagv,
“there is only one way get can go up from here and that is UP!”
We not only heard that 17 months ago, we old timers have heard that with every coaching change. Please, we are not a natural Ohio State in football and we will always (at least until Global Warming drives black people out of the south) have the potential of being a last place team in the Big Ten if we make enough mistakes.
I have not seen Brewster do one thing right yet. Not one. I have yet to see Brewster bring in a single player who has helped us win a single game. (You must be thinking about all that Brewster has said, not what he has actually done.) I too hope he does more than one thing right this season so we can win more games than the one game last year that Miami of Ohio gave us when they missed a 30 yard field goal.
Brewster fans should never compare Brewster with Mason because Mason actually won some football games here against Big Ten teams. Brewster has won none, ever. His doing the King Kong thing on top of Focher (sp?) Tower is absurd. His fans should avoid that sort of chest pounding until we have gone 1-7 or better.
Then we can shout “We’re number ten!!! We’re number ten!!! We’re number ten!!!!”
3 months until Gopher football
You think things will be getting better once Brewster gets back to doing what he does least effectively?
Time will tell
Bud asks stupidly,
“DAC, did your mother ever tell you two wrongs do not make a wright?”
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No, clueless, we had no Wrights living in the neighborhood.
And then Bud says,
“If you have not figured it out yet DAC, only 0-2 cause a school to lose scholarships.”
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We’ve got that, genius. But what you seem incapable of understanding is that almost all the early draft departures were in school only preparing for their pro football career.
Most of those guys could not be leaving in good academic standing if real rules were enforced. Almost everyone leaving early is an 0-2.
thewrenagain says: “The vikings have always been the worst enemy of the Gopher Football Program…other than the long list of U of M prexy’s and administrators.”
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Does your list of poor U of M prexy’s and administrators include … Paul Giel, Yudof and Mark Dienhart??????
taylor: Yudof rocks! He was the best…the VERY best during the pasthalf century. He single handedly raised 2.25 billion to start getting the U of M’s campus back to respectability after countless other prexy’s had let the campus deteriorate. Paul Giel is just another dead All-American. Dinehart went on to much bigger and better things at St. Thomas!
Try to knock prexy y all you want but macturi and prexy b have us at 0-8 in the Big Ten and counting.
I’m concerned about prexy b’s health. He is too old for the job and needs to start paying attention to his health. maturi has to go unless brewster starts winning a heck of a lot of Big Ten games and starts doing it in 2008. They are blowing the grand opening of the new stadium and all the positive effects that should bring by starting out 1-11 and 0-8 in 2007. For gosh sakes get a LOT of Big Ten wins brewster…get on the stick or get out now!
Thanks to the failed coach Mason for bringing the on campus stadium on home by single handedly persuading Mr. Cooper to do the TCF naming rights deal!
Wrenbawlbaby says,
” … but macturi and prexy b have us at 0-8 in the Big Ten and counting.”
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Oh really? I could have sworn Weber played every game at QB last year, not Maturi or the President.
“Thanks to the failed coach Mason for bringing the on campus stadium on home by single handedly … ”
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Incredibly funny stuff. A vagabond football coach with no ties to the area and no interest in being here was responsible for the stadium? ROTFLMAO!!
Loon,
What is up with the black people comment? The reason Ohio State has a great football program is because of the talent they have year after year. Any college football coach can tell you the way you win games is to have talented atheletic players. Now Brewster is doing just that, bringing in talent to win games. He also knows that the defensive plays were too complex for the players last year so it will be simplified this year.
Look I am not going to dwell in the past, but look into hear and now and into the future. The past is what it is the PAST it can’t be changed (it’s in the record books)but we can learn from it.
Forgetting how we (as I predicted we would) screwed up last year will not help us avoid screwing up this year or in the future. The notion that the University of Minnesota could throw away two whole seasons and then move on to a Big Ten Championship was a fundamental misreading of the recruiting situation the U faces in the real world. Losing games or recruiting fast but stupid players will not help this university.
Regarding the black comment, 100% of all players recruited from south Champlain were players. Less than 12% of all Americans are black. Brewster said he had no real interest in recruiting any of 800,000 people (99% white or Indian) in North Dakota at any time while he is here. What does that all add up too? Let me guess, it is not the Hispanics or whites in the south that he is looking at? “Speed, speed and more speed”, is Brew saying we need more players who are black. Otherwise, why write off North Dakota as being of no interest to him.
should be “south of Champlin, MN”
Almost every Division 1 coach in the country has written off North Dakota, silly.
Nobody recruits by color, Loonatic. You recruit speed, strength, and athletic ability. Nobody cares what color a kid might be except you. You are a disgusting, sick racist.
Mason sold the deal to Mr. Cooper, the TCF head honcho d_a_c. prexy b needed to extend Masons’ contract for that very reason. prexy b and maturi couldn’b bring the deal home without Mason. That just ticks you off to no end doesn’t it d_a_c. prexy b and maturi left to their own devices couldn’t accomplish the finalizing of the stadium deal. So they literally spent millions and millions of dollars first extending Mason and then the very next year buying him out. That incompetent pair of administrators are so fiscally lacking in responsibility it is pathetic. They then hired a coach who went 8-0 in Big Ten play and 1-11 overall during his first year at the helm. Never before in the history of University of Minnesota Football have a pair of administraters wasted so much money with such disasterous immediate results as prexy b and maturi.
Those incompetent administrators NEEDED Mason to get the naming rights deal so that the legislature would give them the time of day. Thatnk you Coach Mason for coming through for those fiscally incompetent administrators.
That is the way it went down d_a_c. Millions and millions of wasted dollars. That is a big part of the legacy of maturi/prexy b: fearless fantasy football manipulators of the “nth” degree.
“Mason sold the deal to Mr. Cooper … ”
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Way too funny, Wrenbawl. You are a stitch. That’s hilarious … a vagabond, itinerate football coach with no permanent tie to the community and who worked night and day to get a better job elsewhere “sold” a stadium deal. Hilarious.
And the idiotic prexy b and macturi extended this, “so-called” (by the ever so perceptive d_a_c) vagabond, itinerate football coach with no permanent tie to the community for five mother loving more stinking years! Yes, those incredibly incapable and foolish administrators prexy b and maturi inked a deal for five…count ‘em big buck years at the end of the 2005 season.
d_ac_ the incapable prexy b and maturi did the deed and you try to blame the coach. You are so transparently bankrupt with your thick lines of b.s. and ANY fool can see that the fools were prexy b and macturi.
They were incapable of selling the stadium deal without Mason. They are THAT pathetic and incompetent left to their own devices. In fact, the ONLY solution that that stumbling, bumbling pair of administrators could come up with was to extend Mason for FIVE mother loving years. Get the picture d_a_c?
Oh yes d_a_c, the incredibly over-matched, incompetent and totally inexperienced gm/recruiter brewster was the one who started the qb that he started for every game in 2007. Or, are you insinuating that things are so incredibly out of control re: the coaching staff that a red-shirt freshman qb took it upon himself to give himself the ball to start at every game because brewster was so totally out of control every Game Day Saturday?
What is it d_a_c? It would seem to me that you are saying that brewster doesn’t have a brain in his head?
You have just rotflmaoffed until any commonsense you might have ever had just got too crammed, jammed and slammed what the sun won’t shine…
It just gets funnier and funnier with this ignorant moron Wrenbawl who hasn’t got the intelligence of a three-day-old monkey if he thinks people are going to believe Mason “sold” the stadium.
This is our state university. Everybody living within our borders has a stake in the U, the Gophers, and the new stadium. The Legislature has been appropriating billions of dollars to the U without ever once asking Mason for permission or directions.
Wrenbawl … If you read this blog last fall — and I know you did because you were posting on many of your other dirty pornographic aliases — you know that I criticized Brewster every week for going blindly with Weber and never giving Mortonsen a shot.
That was Brewster’s worst failing last fall. We had a stretch of games where Weber absolutely killed us. He needed to sit, even if briefly.
The thing you can NOT get around is that the incompetent and blundering maturi and prexy b. DID resign Mason at the end of the 200f5 season. They did NOT have the stinking stadium deal ramrodded through the legislature at that point in time. WITH Mason’s efforts they DID get the stadium deal ramrodded through the legislature. HEN, at the cost of millions and millions of University dollars, they bought Mason out. The incompetent prexy b and maturi could NOT and DID NOT get the stadium deal done without Mason.
No deal done yet = EXTEND Mason for five years. With Mason leading the charge = get stadium deal passed through legislature. Coach 2006 seson = newly 5 year extended Coach Mason. Fire and buy out coach Mason after stadium deal done = waste of millions and millions of dollars by incompetent prexy and ad AFTER Mason got the stadium deal done for them.
Maturi gave Mason a new contract because he had done a good job building the running game and recruiting some good players in the preceeding couple of years.
We went 10-3 in 2003 and had decent seasons in 2004 and 2005. We extended Mason because we wanted him here not because of some fantasy regarding the stadium.
Likewise, we finally terminated Mason because we no longer wanted him. Maturia recognized the recruiting effort had fallen way off and that we were declining rapidly in talent.
So between the day they rehired him for five more years at millions per year, and one exact year later, they decided he could not coach or recruit. I suppose it was his winning three out of his last four games that convinced them?
Cut the BS d-a-c, nobody believes that story for the simple reason that it makes no sense at all. They extended Mason to get the stadium and once they got the stadium he was gone no matter what happened on the field.
Also, why would any coach write off a city or state of 800,000 people that is in their territory? Closer to the U than any other D-1 program. In Brewster’s case, it was because they were the white people of North Dakota. Who’s the racist?
The Loonatic asks,
“Also, why would any coach write off a city or state of 800,000 people that is in their territory? Closer to the U than any other D-1 program. In Brewster’s case, it was because they were the white people of North Dakota. Who’s the racist?”
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You are the racist, Loon. You have established that very clearly.
When a good North Dakota kid comes along once every five years or so, we will go after him. We have brought in a few over the years. Most years ND will not produce a Big Ten player so what would be the point of having a coach camp there?
Recruiting is done with limited man hours and limited budget. A good manager must prioritize how he uses precious resources. General Mills does not spend the bulk of its advertising budget in North Dakota for the very same reasons.
And to think, someone as dumb as you was allowed in close proximity to school children? Incredible.
It is time for maturi and prexy b to show us the Big Ten wins. They are 0-8 in big Ten wins with their inexperienced
dinky/dunky/easty/westy coasty cutsey football gm/recruiter brewster. The NEXT Big Ten game will happen at Columbus in the Horseshoe in 2008. Have they explained to their big fantasy recruiting oriented gm/recruiter that he NEEDS to win Big Ten games? Have they told him the new stadium will open in 2009 and they need a LOT of Big Ten wins in the 2008 season to help people with seniority priority seating rights to decide whether to pay premiums for seating starting in 2009 or rather to use their seniority and priority to take the seats that they will not have to pay a premium for?
That throw away season brewster put us through in 2007 makes it just that much harder to handle any more Big Ten losses to start the 2008 season. At Ohio State…at Purdue…at Illinois…How many Big Ten wins can brewster get us from those places to start the Big Ten season?
With this administrative staff and this gm/fantasy recruiter staff entrenched, getting Big Ten wins right from the start of the Big Ten season just might get pretty darn dicey.
It is Big Ten wins that matter. Somebody needs to get that message to prexy b and maturi.
I think prexy b needs to step aside and regain his health. A prexy at the U of M will have a lot of tough choices to make concerning the continued tenure of his ad and that ad’s football program head gm/recruiter’s status…unless there are a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008.
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For those that don’t like Maturi:
Maturi took over in 2002 and inherited a $31 million deficit. The U now has a balanced budget. Those that feel he’s doing a poor job have not looked at his record.
One more thing: he was instrumental in getting the new stadium approved.
david_allen_coe says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:55 am
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You have a better attitude than I do about his non-sensical posts. I view it in the same category as water torture.
Scooter … Maturi has done a good job as AD. As you point out, he started deep in the red. He got rid of a failed basketball coach and a football coach that was starting to show lack of interest. Both good moves.
He landed a premiere basketball coach and made a gutsy but necessary decision in football to bring in a guy with a repuation for recruiting. There is no more important nor tougher job at Minnesota than recruiting.
I did not see it at the time, but getting rid of the M&M boys was a good move by Maturi. Sometimes longivity isn’t all it’s cracked up to be….especially if the coaches are diverting energy and resources away from the programs.
The press was short-sighted in their criticism of Maturi. It was a bold, much needed move. Bringing in the polar opposite was also a bold move. I think we’re already starting to see dividends of that investment.
macturi has driven the University of Minnesota football program to the very bottom of the Big Ten standings. The inexperienced, used-car saloesman he brought in as a coach went 0-8 in Big Ten play in 2007 and he will begin Big Ten play in Columbus in 2008. maturi needs to be given MUCH heat for driving the Gopher football program in a wreckless and careless manner right into a brick wall.
The damage he has caused can not be ignored. To be at the very bottom of the big ten with a new stadium being built and set to open in 2009 is tragic. Football is THE driver of all revenue producing sports and the football program MUST be at least competetive. It can NOT be at the bottom of the Big Ten. The football program has reverted to the fire the coach every 3 to 5 year disaster that kept the U of M football program in the wilderness for SO many decades.
macturi is a disgrace…
You fools and peons who preach the company line that “things are better now in the U of M football program…” are such tools of an establishment that only sees the football program as a resource to bring in money to pay for the non-revenue and title IX sports. You don’t even CARE that the football program went 1-11 overall in 2007 and was 0-8 in Big Ten play. You care about fantasy recruiting rankings and blind yourself to the ZERO and EIGHT Big Ten record. You are pleased that the U of M finished DEAD last in the Big Ten.
Persoanlly I hated that experience. I can NOT forgive brewster, macturi or prexy b for pile-driving the football program into the basement of the Big Ten in football. What those three have done in an 18 month time span is SO disgraceful and is such a total failure of an effort. I am mad as hell about what macturi and brewster have accomplished. I expect more. Being last in the Big Ten is a horrible place to be. spin until you puke. It doesn’t change the record. In the end it is ALL about Big Ten wins, graduating ever increasing numbers of football players and running a clean and honest porgram.
Good one ‘couter: ” Joel Maturi the Bold”. I like it. Sort of like, ” George Custer the Bold”.
Goon:
Your rants about the U being in financial trouble because of non-revenue sports, was highly exaggerated.
While you were a lousy History teacher, you would have been an even worse Math teacher.
d_a_c: There is a much tougher thing than recruiting at Minnesota. It is winning big Ten football games. brewster is over his head and is 0-8 in Big Ten play. He will open the big Ten season at the Horseshoe in 2008. Unless he wins that game he will go to 0-9 with a bullit in the chamber. He also has to face Purdue at Purdue and Illinois at Illinois within the first four Big Ten games of the Big ten season. UNLESS he can win a gimme Big Ten game at the dome against one of the other bottom feeders such as NU and Indiana, he could open up 0-4 or 06 in Big Ten play. That would bring his pathetic totals to 0-12 or 0-14 in Big Ten play. He could NEVER recover from such a start. He would be laughed out of the conference. He lets it all ride on his dipsy/dumpsy make the qb runsy/flip a two yard passey offense. Russian roulette with brewster! Do you recall the scenes from THE DEER HUNTER involving Russian Roulette? Not pretty…very messy…totally unpreductive scenes that leave one feeling very depressed and despirited.
\brewster better get on a winning streak in Big ten play and fast. He had better start with a win in Columbus!
“While you were a lousy History teacher, you would have been an even worse Math teacher.”
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And, as a sick and depraved racist, the goon is an even worse citizen.
Wrenbawl … You can bring in Urban Meyer or Pete Carrol for the game at Columbus this year and the Gophers will still likely lose.
Nobody can win without Big Ten talent. Mason left very little because he laid down on recruiting his last three years. It will take a similar amount of time to build back a competitive team. It won’t happen overnight.
But unlike fools such as yourself, intelligent people see that we are on the right track. The first Brewster class was the best Minnesota has attracted in decades. That is a good start.
Rescooter says:
Maturi took over in 2002 and inherited a $31 million deficit. The U now has a balanced budget. Those that feel he’s doing a poor job have not looked at his record.
One more thing: he was instrumental in getting the new stadium approved.
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I agree wholeheartedly!!! Maturi also had to contend with merging the men’s and women’s department … which was no easy feat considering all of the egos involved.
And he spend a helluva a lot more man hours with the state legislatures than Mason ever did. Mason wasn’t even in town when the announcement was made for the funding of the on-campus stadium. (But he did make it for the photo-op with the ceremony shovels!)
Regarding 2007, anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knows you can’t put a defense on the field with only a couple of Big Ten calibre players and win. That is impossible.
Nor can you win with a freshman quarterback unless he is Drew Breeze gifted as a passer.
The key to improvement this year will be new talent on defense and player development of some returners. Several returners are on the verge of being Big Ten players and Vandesteeg is already when not hurt.
Mason got the deal done with Cooper…mactutri most likely wasn’t even granted an appointment with someone as influential in the naming rights deas as Cooper.
macturi has run the football program into the ground during his time on the job.
Taylor wrote:
“…..Mason wasn’t even in town when the announcement was made for the funding of the on-campus stadium.”
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Could he have been out of town pursuing one of his many job possibilities?
First you say …the worst enemy of the Gopher Football Program is the long list of U of M prexy’s and administrators.”
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And then you say … Yudof Rocks!!
He was the best…the VERY best during the pasthalf century. He single handedly raised 2.25 billion to start getting the U of M’s campus back to respectability after countless other prexy’s had let the campus deteriorate. Paul Giel is just another dead All-American. Dinehart went on to much bigger and better things at St. Thomas!
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It’s hard for me to keep up with your contradictions. You complain about our BAD administrators … and then you rave about Yudof, Dienhart and Giel.
If I remember correctly … I’m sure Mason was complaining about not getting enough support from Yudof when Yudof was the University’s President.
Rescooter says:
Could he have been out of town pursuing one of his many job possibilities?
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I think he was out of town on VACATION!!
thewrenagain says:
Mason got the deal done with Cooper…mactutri most likely wasn’t even granted an appointment with someone as influential in the naming rights deas as Cooper.
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Oh, really??? Who was the firt person Cooper called when he needed Rose Bowl tickets???????
d_a_c: then are you predicting that brewster will get a LOT of Big Ten wins? or would one suit you just fine? I have much higher standards than that! I demand at LEAST 3 Big Ten wins in 2008 and should probably be ademanding 5! Personally, brewster has only shown himself to be full of hot air and a non-shower on Game Day Saturdays. People who love Gopher football demand a hell of a lot more than that!
Cooper knew he OWNED the Athletics ddepartment at the U of M after putting up the money for the naming rights. macturi became his peon whipping boy and personal pathetic little ranger. macturi is all about Notre Dame…wisky and then, finally Minnesota all in that order. Look at his resume…
david_allen_coe says:
Maturi gave Mason a new contract because he had done a good job building the running game and recruiting some good players in the preceeding couple of years.
We went 10-3 in 2003 and had decent seasons in 2004 and 2005. We extended Mason because we wanted him here not because of some fantasy regarding the stadium.
Likewise, we finally terminated Mason because we no longer wanted him. Maturia recognized the recruiting effort had fallen way off and that we were declining rapidly in talent.
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I agree 100%!!! Mason had a winning record and coming off a bowl victory in 2005. Of course, Maturi had to extend his contract!!!
But unfortunately, Mason did not build a resovoir of goodwill with former “M” men, high school coaches, boosters, media and the students.
I remember at a pre-season Goal Line Club in 2006 … Mason told the audience (with Maturi in attendance) that he was “tired”.
So, I think Maturi did what he felt he had to do. And he’s a big boy … he knows he has to live with the consequences of his decisions.
If Brewster is the right man or not … time will tell. If not, fire him! Just like Giel was able to do in his tenure as A.D. and hire and fire five football coaches. Maturi should be allowed to be treated and respected like the A.D. of Mr. Paul Giel.
Wrenbawlbaby … Who are you to demand a certain number of wins? You are a nobody .. an incidental in the scheme of Gopher football. What you demand is completely removed from the reality of the situation.
Personally, I believe we will improve to perhaps six wins overall this year. That would be a nice step up from the rock-bottom position we were left because of no recruiting by Mason.
But nobody can “demand” a very young team beat Big Ten teams that go two and three deep at every position with quality Big Ten players. That doesn’t mean we won’t work like hell to win and pull some upsets but it is foolish to say it is expected until we have some parity in talent. That will take about three years.
Keep in mind, folks … Mason had little or nothing to do with the stadium. He wanted it just like a couple other million people around the state wanted it.
The Legislature made the decision to build the new stadium. TCF took a calculated risk on the PR benefits of contributing in exchange for naming rights. They didn’t do it for nothing. They did it for business.
None of that is remotely connected to Mason.
thewrenagain says:
Cooper knew he OWNED the Athletics ddepartment at the U of M after putting up the money for the naming rights. macturi became his peon whipping boy and personal pathetic little ranger. macturi is all about Notre Dame…wisky and then, finally Minnesota all in that order. Look at his resume…
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“…peon whipping boy and personal pathetic little ranger”
Wren, your repetitive, name-calling rants are so childish and immature. How old are you anyway? You sound like a 12-year old!!!
“I remember at a pre-season Goal Line Club in 2006 … Mason told the audience (with Maturi in attendance) that he was “tired”.”
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Yes, and he also announced that after ten years he needed a grace period for “rebuilding”? The funny thing is, it was actually true. By going three years without working hard at recruiting, he did leave himself — incredibly — with a need to rebuild.
But at the pace Mason worked, Maturi knew that would take the next four years. Maturi had no choice but to try something revolutionary — get a recruiter.
And brewster promptly went 1-11 against some of the softest cupcake ooc opponents (FAU, NDSU, BG and Miami of Ohio) and a very EASY Big Ten slate that included Indiana and NU and excluded MSU and PSU). brewster actually went 0-8 in the big Ten after blowing a HUGE 3rd quarter lead at NU. He was totally incompetent on GDS and most days in between. Of course, it was the blind leading the blind because his boss is the pathetic little ranger.
taylor: you are not a stranger to name-calling. And look at this d_a_c creature and his name calliong. And jimbo the name-calling fool! Giel is just another dead All-American. Former Prexy Y rocks though!
d_a_c, you pathetic excuse maker. brewster changed all the schemes and systemd. HE and HE alone was responsible for the 1-11 and 0-8 Big ten record in 2008. He was incredibly pathetic on Game Day saturdays. He didn’t have his players in position and he didn’t even have them in systems that would allow them to win. All the losses go DIRECTLY on brewster’s head. Look at the rocord book d_a_c. The record book RIGHTLY places all responsibility directly on brewster’s head for the 2007 season. And it ALWAYS will. It was the MOST pathetic season of Gopher Football within the past quarter century. And brewster has that stamped on his career resume. His first throw away season. And, he came in talking about TWO throw away seasons…
Can anyone name the year in which the Gopher Athletic Department had less success than it had this year? How many championships did we win this past school year? When Maturi came here we were doing very well in a number of sports. This year? Women’s Indoor Track and Field and what else? Yes, it was a good but not great year for his favorite Minnesota sport, Women’s Rowing.
Let’s face it, Joel is a natural Kilgore Rangerette. Period. He talks a big show and has a very high kick. That’s it.
Wrenbawl … The schedule last year was soft for a Big Ten team with Big Ten talent. The Gophers were a Big Ten team with mid-level MAC talent.
Brewster didn’t throw the picks in the 4th quarter which gave NU two quick scores. But he did go with a freshman quarterback who was bleeding mistakes. Much worse, he called the freshman QB’s number in an all-or-nothing two-point attempt in overtime. Not smart at all.
Every new coach installs his own schemes. If you want the same schemes, the same talent level, and the same results, keep Mason.
I am continually amazed at some of the buffoons posting here with IQs of three-day-old chimps continue to believe that mid MAC-level players can compete in the Big Ten if only the systems were not changed. That is hilarious.
Wren, there will be no end to this for at least three more seasons. The four NC games are so soft even Coach Brewster may win some of them. During the real season the Brewster sucks will go wild with glee if we win two games.
ONE injury will be all they need to go off on their standard “Mason left the cupboard bare” tirade.
By 2009 they will have to face a real schedule and then it will be all about how unlucky poor Brewster has been to face a schedule so much harder than what any other Gopher coach has ever faced (”other” being code for “Mason”).
They are at least three seasons from realizing what a mess we are in. Then, as we both well know, it will be on to the next coach, the next savior.
I would reccommend they actually go to the games and stay until the end if they want a better program, but what do I know compared to the Kilgore Rangerette?
d_a(sp)_c, sorry to leave you alone to battle Looney Toons and the Wren. Mrs. Jimbo and I are vacationing out west (since last Friday.) May not be back until next weekend. I notice that you’re doing quite well against those two buffoons without my help. That doesn’t surprise me.
Keep up the good work.
Go Gophers!
Jumbo … All is well. Neither one of them has the IQ of a week-old monkey. They are so invested in their hatred of Brewster that any semblance of common sense has long evaporated.
Enjoy your time with Mrs. Jumbo and have a great and relaxing trip.
…and just as every coach may install his/her own systems and schemes…EVERY coach assumes TOTAL responsibility of the record of EVERY game that coach coaches.
Now, since 2007 at the University of Minnesota, we have no head coach. We have “a co-head coach…”…maybe. We have two coordinators who the person supposedly in charge want to be the “head guys/gals…” on Game Day Saturdays. What macturi hired here was a person who wants to be a “gm/recruiter dude or dudette, which ever the case may be. So, we have gm/recruiter brewster. Even though he tries to duck the responsibility for the record that is kept of the Game Day Saturday Football Games, his record is 1-11 over all and 0-8 in Big Ten play. There we have it. There is no way to dispute it. IF you cash the check, brewster, YOU and you alone take credit/blame for the losses…each and every stinking loss.
I want Big Ten wins. I think the local sports columnists want Big Ten wins. I think that unless brewster starts getting a lot of Big Ten wins, he is going to be the whipping boy with a target painted on his back, his head and his office door. So, brewster, it is time to start making with the Big Ten wins during the 2008 season. You bombed out compeltely in 2007…
I don’t know where they’re getting the idea, but the PP is reporting that Notre Dame may show an interest in Maturi…?
“speculating” may be a better word than “reporting” here…
Turbo, Shooter Walters wrote that in his article yesterday…Shooter is also NOTORIOUS for throwing things out like that.
Wrenbawl … You are a liar and a fraud. Brewster is the Head Coach. Period. Most schools name one of the assistants as Associate Head Coach. There is nothing unusual there except your frantic lies to make it look unusual.
Show any quote from Brewster where he has disavowed responsibility for his first year as coach. You can’t. You are a liar and a fraud.
yeah it is definitely a strange idea, thanks, I don’t know Walters (or the PP for that matter)
God has answered with justice the rightious calls of the Gopher faithful who have suffered under the incompetence of Maturi!! Praise to the Lord, for we may be delivered!!!
Heck, Taylor may have to get a different lickspittle job now.
d-a-c will get a new person to blame for Brewster screw ups.
Oh, oh…what if the new woman is honest?
Loon … You truly are a functional dunce.
Oh My Goodness!!!!OH<OH<OHHHHH!!!!
This is too good!!! It’s a bloody miracle!!!!
What if… What if …. NOTRE DAME really wants to get BREWSTER?!?!
Oh, I’m going to pass out!!!
They are sick of Charlie Tuna and they want to have him fired and they want a really, really great recruiter of Legionaires!!!!!
Oh my heart!!! Be still my beating heart!! Oh the potential here for us. Two total blow hards gone in one blessed day.!!
I better calm down. I’m getting my hopes too high. It may be only one dud dropped. Heaven forbid, it may not be either. I’m going to throw up.
WHATTTT!!!! Dunbar TOOOO!!! The Lord is tooo kind to me today!!! Quick, hit me with a bucket of water before I blow up from joy!!!
ok genius, assuming that rumor is true, who would you hire? Please come up with someone who would be available. We don’t need another non-sensical rant like your buddy Wren always seems to regurgitate when pressed about what qualified & available coaches were out there once Mason was canned.
Mason is available.
(That was too easy.)
Britney Spears is available.
thewrenagain says:
Former Prexy Y rocks though!
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If Prexy Y rocks and Mason was the best coach ever … then contrary to your repetitive rants, Gopher Football has enjoyed success and prosperity!! We have hadsuccessful administrators and football coaches!!
What I think is still funny is how Wren can beg for a clean program and worships Yudof at the same time. Yudof was the prexy when the basketball scandal broke. Now, he’ll tell you that it was the previous prexy’s mess and Yudof just walked into it…but yet he claims Brewster is responsible for 110% of everything from character issues on the roster that he inherited to the lack of talent on the team in 2007 (that he didn’t recruit). While I agree Brewster could have done a few things differently (be positive but not over-the-top), he didn’t walk into a plum college coaching job filled with talent.
JB,
That’s because Wren worships the guy’s who want to use our program as a stepping stone to greener pastures. Unfortunately for his pal Mason, he was only used to round out the list for the LSU & OSU jobs. They never gave any serious consideration to a career 3-5 Big Ten record guy.
Do you really mean a guy with a 10-year record in the Big Ten averaging three wins isn’t really a serious candidate at Ohio State and LSU?
Who would have thought that?
Taylor, I think your fear at having to find a real job once Maturi is gone is getting to you. Compared to Coach Brewster’s 0-8 any of previous football coaches “enjoyed success and prosperity”.
You are mistaking Maturi’s cave in on the Big Ten’s plan “to pay bad Big Ten football programs a ton of money to provide the real football programs with teams they can beat every year” with “real prosperity”. You are confussing the single poorest coaching performance in the history of Gopher football with “real success”.
Please stop. Once your Brewster actually wins a Big Ten football game, then you can tell us how he is nearly as good as Joe Salem.
I forget mnmike, how many Big Ten wins did your hero get when he replaced the 6-7 coach who won three Big Ten wins?
That’s right 1-11 with a Big Ten record of 0-8. Wow, my guess that showed the whole country that every coach either is very average here or can’t win any games. That was a Maturi Classic Move. “I’m show the country what a real coach can do here!”
Sadly, I don’t think even Notre Dame would be that dumb.
Loon, let me ask this again. When has anyone in here said that Brewster is the greatest football coach ever?
Loon, let’s not forget that ND went 3-8 last year and lost to a team they hadn’t lost to in over 40 years. Some would even say that Charlie Weiss has run that program into the ground. Time will tell, just like time will tell if Brewster can turn things around here.
mnmike: who cares about Mason? He didn’t win enough Big Ten games.
Now here is the thing: brewster has won ZERO Big Ten games. He is an inexperienced loser with a big mouth. Unless he wins a heck of a lot of Big Ten games…and SOON, he and the low-life ad who brought him in will be history.
prexy b is old and sick and needs to retire to focus on living out the remainder of his years as best he can. He helped bring in this brewster character and he will be long forgotter IF the U ever finds another prexy of prexy y’s cut and style. By the way: prexy y is on to bigger and better things. He did more in the few years he was at Minnesota than all the prexy b’s and other prexys who have been here will ever do in their combined lifetimes.
Bash Mason all you wish. brewster is gthe worst gm/recruiter the Gophers have ever had..oither than the cheating hoax.
jim bean you low-grade alcoholic beverage: All the damn, damn damage was done underthe crook haskins was done under the dude who was prexy here before prexy y…prexy h. What kind of fool are you? Prexy y helped did the dirt up on the criminal haskins and then dealt with the NCAA and helped keep Men’s basketball barely alive…but still a member of the Big Ten conference when all the trash of the past decade on haskins was revealed.
Get your facts straight you bourbon headed low-brow wisky fan.
Wren - you drink the kool-aid when it is convenient for you and rip others when it isn’t…must be amazing to live in your fantasy world. It wasn’t Brewster’s fault Mason’s recruiting nose-dived at the end of his tenure or that attrition took a big bite out of an already mediocre talent pool and depth chart. Yet you put 110% of the blame on Brewster because HE is the head coach and everything is HIS responsibility (Brew has yet to prove anything to me but I’m smart enough to realize he has a very different vision of what this football program could become than Mason did and I applaud him for leaving no stone unturned looking for athletes to make it happen - unlike Mason). Prexy Y was good at damage control (exactly what the U of M needed during the basketball scandal) but don’t expect him to be eligible for sainthood anytime soon. The scandal broke under HIS watch and he is the leader of the university, so it was HIS responsibility as well…if we apply the same rules and logic you apply to the head football coach. And please, your childish name calling and drivel are unnecessary. Be an adult.
kYou are full of b.s beam. haskins had been doing criminal theing (according to NCAA rules under prexy h.)
brewster was going to change everything when he came in so the takent levels had NOTHING to do with anything. brewster “brewsters up” by changing to the kinds of schemes and systems he did. brwewster is 120% to blame for what HE decided to do. He made the call…HE takes the heat. It is HIS record forever.
Tell d_a_c and jimbo and these other name calling posters to be adult beam. Don’t try to lecture me about anything… You apologists for brewster are bad news.
He is the head coach and has every right to change the schemes. And if you are trying to recruit athletes to play in said system you show them that system on the field so it is tangible to them. Hell, even if Brewster had kept Mason’s schemes there wasn’t any RB depth to make it successful because the roster was shot. Did last year’s seniors deserve better? I think so - but I also think most of them were a stretch to even own a Big Ten scholarship…not Brewster’s fault. I also don’t care if Brewster was #1 or #100 in these recruiting service rankings, but I do know that he is getting kids to commit to MN with offers from big time programs, which tells me there are a lot of football minds who feel many of these kids are good enough to play in their programs. Now he needs to show he can put the upgrade in talent in the correct position to make plays. You are simply a Mason apologist still angry 15 months later. I’m willing to take the wait and see approach because, although we were 1-11 last year, it is not like the immediate years prior we were on the edge of greatness. With Mason’s schemes, and hell, with Mason still coaching, we would have maybe won 4 games last year, b/c there was little talent and depth. Our O and D lines were outplayed regardless of scheme. That is my opinion and you have yours - we’re all entitled to one, but mine is better 
Have to agree with JB, remember that after recruiting season ended Sports Illustrated named MN its “most surprising” program for getting so many kids with offers from big-time football schools to sign here, I’d say that’s both an impartial and a reliable source.
And all the experts picked MN to finish 0-8 in the Big Ten after Mason’s departure and the graduation of Cupito, Spaeth, Payne, et. al…long before scheme changes and RB injuries.
Why would an AD fire a “sub mediocre” coach who can only win FIVE Big Ten games and replace him with one that can win ZERO Big Ten wins? Oh, because he (Maturi) knew he would lose all his Big Ten games his first couple of years and the fans would be dumb enough to buy tickets to see it?
Well, ha, ha, ha. The fans really fooled Maturi and did not bother to stay for the second half of most of the games. That fooled the Kilgore Rangerette. (see rangerettes.com, class of 67, only male on the team)
Now when you say Mason did not win five games every year, I will just point out the obvious: Brewster has yet to win one game in any year. With his fans predicting we may or may not win two Big Ten games this year, I can hadly hold my breath to see how this season actually turns out.
But, there is some good news, the new “greatest D co ordinator” of all time may be a better coach than any of the goofs of last year.
Notre Dame is NOT going to be hiring Joel Maturi. They would have to get the permission of the AD at Wisconsin to even talk to him. Fat chance (pun intended).
Oh hell, I’d say you’re jim beam “on the rocks…” brewster had every right to change the schemes and sytstems and that also means that he is totally and completely responsible for the record that he achieved.
Heck, Mason got fired for not winning enought Big Ten games. “Don’t cry for me Argentina…” I could care less about Maosn. macturi and prexy b were so stupid, they sent him off with extra millions and millions of dollars. How stupid and ineffective can prexy b and macturi be? What the hell did Mason have on them? It must be something pretty darn good!
But, brewster is just such an incompetent loud=-mouthed used-car-salesman type of hhypster I could NEVER take him seriously…even if he could EVER manage to win between 3 and 5 Big Ten games a season…I don’t think the dude has a chance of EVER reaching those lofty goals that were good enough…or…should I say bad enough to get Mason fired…but laughing all the way to the bank because he obviously had a LOT on macturi and prexy b. Just look at all the buy out and go away quietly money they paid him. prexy b. had to even loan macturi millions from the General Fund of the University to get that pay-off and buy-out done. How bad off can a prexy and his pathetic notre dame graduate, wisky ties ad be??????? Where is the smoking gur? What did the 8 x 10 glossy photos show about macturi and prexy b? What was the cover up?????
All of the 2007 losses belong to macturi…prexy b AND brewster. brewster failed to show up for so many of those games. He very seldom had the players ready to go in the first quarter. How pathetic could a first-year guy be???? Obviously VERY pathetic based upon the 2007 scores and results. brewster looks like a big time loser based upon his record.
Wren our darling, dainty, dumbfounded fans are totally grateful our team showed up so unprepared that we often fell out of the game in the first quarter. Under Mason, we might have shown up so prepared that we would have had a lead. Heaven protect us from those sort of situations. With a lead, we might have lost a lead. Not good.
Yes, by the fourth quarter we even started to get back into some of those games once the players had learned to ignore the bad game plans. But, by then, most of our dainty fans were off to Dinky Town.
Thus our Brewster fans saw our lack of preparation as an asset, not a vice.
Wren, you also hit the nail right on the head regarding the Mason buy out. Macturi and Prexy paid millions for Mason to go quietly. Silently. The classic three monkies seeing, hearing and saying NOTHING about why that money was so needed. We will get the same sort of deal with Brewster at the end of 2010.
SF racist garbage. Both of you.
So dac, does that mean we are getting too close to spilling the beans on the buyout? Your dirty secret is safe with us.
Racist garbage.
Loon,
Your right. Mase was great at preparing our troops. He also was the greatest coach in second half adjustments!
Loon and Wren,
I agree with you guys TOTALLY! Brewster needs to start winning football games. Everyone agrees with you guys on that point.
No one is saying Brewster is the greatest. Just give Brewster two more years to see what he can do. After all Brewster inherited a team that was predicted to finish dead last in the Big Ten.
Speaking of Haskins and the academic scandal and NCAA penalties he brought to the U of M … who was the A.D. in charge during his tenure???
Wasn’t the the Great YUDOF?? And didn’t Yudof pay Haskins millions to terminate his contract??? And lawyers had to get involved (after Yudof left) to get some of the money back.
So, if it is okay for the Great Yudof who Rocks to pay millions in a buyout … and Nebraska can do it for their coach (Callahan) and A.D., … it is not okay for Maturi to pay Mason his contract/buy-out clause.
I love your logic, Wren!!??!!
We all know that Loon and Wren are biased in their opinions. They will always be a Masonite at heart. You love Mase, but hate Maturi and Brewster.
Obviously, I’m about as unbiased as it comes, when writting about our football coaches!
G4, remember though that it is all about Big Ten wins and that the Gophs went 1-11 last season.
wrenagain says …” macturi and prexy b were so stupid, they sent him off with extra millions and millions of dollars. How stupid and ineffective can prexy b and macturi be? What the hell did Mason have on them? It must be something pretty darn good!
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What did Haskins have on Yudof?????? Wren and Loon have high ethical standards, yet claim Yudof “Rocks” when he paid $MILLIONS$ to a cheating, lying Basketball Coach!!!!
Talk about fiscal responsibility and poor judgement??? I’m glad my tax dolalrs went into Haskins pocket so he could enjoy his farm in Kentucky!!!
Mason should be grateful and kiss Maturi’s azz for his million dollar buyout package.
So Taylor, you think Maturi handled the Gary Russell thing well?
I don’t know any of the details of the Gary Russell thing. Please inform me.
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So Loon, do you think Yudof handled the Clem Haskins thing well???????????
Looney Toons,
Brewster is my hero? No, he’s our current coach that I still support. One year does and will not make his coaching career. Should our record not improve over the next 2-3 years, then I’ll be calling for his head. I definately feel that Brewster’s worth the risk though. Sure, we could’ve kept Mason and hit a 5-3 record once every five years and signed the vast cornocopia of talent in the fertile recruiting ground that is North Dakota.
We were 1-11 & 0-8 in the Big Ten last year? So that’s what Wren was babbling about.
The Loon says:
So dac, does that mean we are getting too close to spilling the beans on the buyout? Your dirty secret is safe with us.
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Loon, please spill the beans! I’d luv to hear your dirty little secrets. (It would be a lot more interesting that Wren’s juvenile, monotonous drivel.
–Wren our darling, dainty, dumbfounded fans are totally grateful our team showed up so unprepared that we often fell out of the game in the first quarter. Under Mason, we might have shown up so prepared that we would have had a lead. Heaven protect us from those sort of situations. With a lead, we might have lost a lead. Not good.–
Unfortunately your pal Mason never prepared or was aware that football’s played with 4 quarters. We would’ve built a statue for the guy if the game only had 3 quarters.
Exactly, you guys would rather lose before the game starts than face the chance of losing late. I would rather have a chance to win even if we lose in the end.
In the end, the big programs will have the depth and player choices to figure it all out as the games progress. That is why they are top programs, they have it all.
But, you guys won that fight. We are back into an era of five year coaches, a new savior every few years. Girl’s football with an endless supply of hopeful recruits revolving through the airport every few months.
The biggest proplem we have is not in the coaches, it is in the lack of grit we have in our fans. When, if, I live to see the day when we have 20,000 fans giving our actual players a standing ovation as they leave the field after a loss, I will know we have finally grown up. Sadly, last year was the exact opposite.
Wren and Loon, please stop all this negative stuff now! You are not helping the program. I have said it once and I’ll say it again, the Train is moving forward, hop on or get left behind!! Go GOphers!!!
Goon barfs:
“….When, if, I live to see the day when we have 20,000 fans giving our actual players a standing ovation as they leave the field after a loss, I will know we have finally grown up.”
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So if we take your example of how a true fan should behave, we should do the following:
1) Stay the entire game and criticize the players, coaches, and administration the entire time.
2) Give the players a standing ovation all the while bashing them on message boards and in public.
3) We are critical and hope that the recruited players make a mistake so we can be proven right.
4) We bash opportunities for all students because they are involved in “non-revenue sports”. Even though the reason for a higher education is to be involved in real world experiences.
Goon you are a hypocrit
Loon says …The biggest proplem we have is not in the coaches, it is in the lack of grit we have in our fans.
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You are right … we don’t have the rabid fans. But that doesn’t stop the Twins from winning baseball games and putting together a competitive team. I have a lot of respect for Ron Gardenhire and the Twins organization.
Instead of complaining that they don’t have the resources of the Yankees or Boston … they plug away (in the face of retraction and regardless of the lack of fans).
Another example is Tampa Bay in First place with no fans to speak of at all. And they’re located in a state with 20 Million people!!!
“an era of five year coaches” Funny since Mason was here for ten years. My public education math could be wrong, but isn’t ten more than five?
When have I criticized the players? Which players? You must be thinking of dac. I’m the one that thought and said the coaches made a total mess of using the players they had last year. A record breaking mess.
We are now into the five year cycle of coaches because the fans have now bought into the idea that college programs are all about the head coach, I have not.
Please taylor, what does bringing up the Twins have to do with the Gophers AT ALL? If we had their draft system and free agency we would have been to the Rose Bowl three or four times over the past forty years. Our problem has been exactly that we can not force players to play here or stay. Unless we cheat.
I will assume that is not the real Big Al. He knows that I had zero imput into pushing any coach out the door, unlike what the Goal Line Clubs types have had and do have. This train is his train, not my train and I can niether move the train nor stop the train. I am sick to the point of puking over the Big Men saying that I have to be loyal to THEIR thinking while THEY are free to support or NOT support whomever and whatever they bloody well want to do. Big Al is a great fan of Gopher football but he KNOWS exactly why I am angry about this program. Exactly.
Loon, I don’t know who you are talking about “buying into the idea that college programs are all about the head coach.”
The coaches themselves may think that way but the majority of fans are smart enough to know otherwise.
Some famous quotes …
“When did I criticize the players”? A Loonatic.
“Black players are criminals and will ruin the community.” A Loonatic.
“Speed equals black and black equals high risk players.” A Loonatic.
“Brewster is bringing in the foreign legion to play for us.” A Loonatic.
“Our players from the south are thugs.” A Loonatic.
“Only white players from Minnesota and North Dakota should be on the team.” A Loonatic.
“Every player not white and not from Minnesota or North Dakota is being paid.” A Loonatic.
“If you don’t like those lies, I’ve got plenty more.” A Loonatic.
Why don’t we start today and hope for a good yr in 2008 instead of all this crap for the last 30 yrs., thats water over the dam. Big Al is right, jump on or shut up! Maybe it would be better if you tried to jump off, then we could run over you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey did everyone hear that the Gophs went 1-11 last season with no Big Ten wins? Might as well shut the program down.
Dac you are a liar. Flat out. As you know very well, you should only put quote marks around things I have said or written. I have not said one of the things you wrote above. You have now clearly shown for everyone to see that you are a dishonest person. Is it that you do not understand quote marks? Or are you so driven by your needs that you can not control your emotions?
Seriously dac, don’t you know that a liar is a liar and you have now shown that you are a liar?
little big boy,
If I do not agree with the silly direction the program is going, why should I shut up? Sorry, I won’t. I don’t agree and will say so.
Let me add that I say nothing last year which even might have caused me to change my mind about the Maturi/Brewster mess.
Did all the hype improve attendance? It did not.
Did the hype improve the loyalty of those fans who did attend the games? No it did not. It was stunning how fans left the games earlier and earlier. Indeed, I can never recall such a shallow show of support.
Did the new coaches show the ability to get the best out of the players they had? No, not at all. Players like Davis seemed clearly less effective than they had been in previous seasons.
Did the new coaches show flexibility? No, no matter how many times we blized and that did not work, it was not until the Badger game that we showed the ability to back off a tactic that was clearly counter productive.
Did the fish fry approach work as advertised? No, we did not land a single Minnesota player who’s coach was bribed or fed.
Sorry littlebigboy, I am going to call them the way I see them because I know the moment you want to stop supporting Brewster you will start the booing again. I have seen nothing to support since the day one hype began.
Yes, Gopher 1, we were exactly 1-11 last year. That is the reality we face. You can ignore it all you want. My philosophy has been long known around gopher football. “Every legal win helps, every legal loss hurts.” The notion that we can lose ourselves to the Rose Bowl is stupid.
Nonetheless, watch how the Brewster fans try to spin the losses that are coming this year, in spite of the easiest schedule I can recall. 5-7 will not help our program in the slightest with that schedule and the schedule coming up in 2009.
Here you go Taylor. Next time you see Joel Maturi, ask him this question: Does he know of any former Gopher players who were paid by our coaches? Any coach, any employee of a coach?
Report back here what he says to you, I will then answer your question to me.
I know you don’t know anything or are lying, what I want to from you is for you to come to understand that Maturi will lie to anyone.
Now would you like to continue this line? If so, speak to Maturi first.
d_a_c and jimbo and a few others are huge liars. Of course, d_a_c and jimbo and a few others are also the same person. Huge liars though. They love to make up false quotes to attempt to attribute to anyone that any of the monikers used disagree with.
Of course, every time d_a_c and jimbo and a few others type any kind of response they are totally transparent.
The gh/gi/booster club trickster person…has to rely on dirty tricks and lies.
Loon says …”Please taylor, what does bringing up the Twins have to do with the Gophers AT ALL? If we had their draft system and free agency we would have been to the Rose Bowl three or four times over the past forty years.”
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I brought up the Twins to compare the FAN BASE (see your quote below). And that you can still WIN in spite of a tepid fan base!!!!
(”The biggest proplem we have is not in the coaches, it is in the lack of grit we have in our fans.”)
The Twins still have to pay their drafted players and free agents … and they don’t have the Big Budget of the Yankees and Red Sox. It’s not unlike the football budgets of Minnesota versus Michigan and Ohio State.
And instead of WHINING about we DON’T have, Gardenhire fines a way to Win. That is what I admire.
The Loon says:
Here you go Taylor. Next time you see Joel Maturi, ask him this question: Does he know of any former Gopher players who were paid by our coaches? Any coach, any employee of a coach?
Report back here what he says to you, I will then answer your question to me.
I know you don’t know anything or are lying, what I want to from you is for you to come to understand that Maturi will lie to anyone.
Now would you like to continue this line? If so, speak to Maturi first.
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I am not going to dignify your silly posts by asking Maturi anything. I don’t know him personally.
Why don’t you man-up and say exactly what you mean. I’m not going to play you silly little game.
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Loon … “Now would you like to continue this line? If so, speak to Mason, Yudof, Haskins, and Dienhart first.
Who is more childish??? Loon or Wren???
Loon, you might not like the way the pgm is going after 1 yr, but there is nothing you can do, no matter how much you piss and moan, for at least another yr. or two. So groan all you want if it makes you feel better,but know nothing will change for awhile.
I have said that many times. My best hope is that Maturi is not renewed in 2009 (come on Notre Dame), Dunbar will be dumped in 2009 and Brewster will have to be renewed or bought out in 2010. That is the best scenario possible, all others are even worse disasters.
We don’t have a probem here, you guys have totally destroyed what progress was made over the previous 10 years. With the new stadium coming on, it is such a shame we have just the wrong coach, with just the wrong system, with just the wrong stategy at just the wrong time.
You are 100% correct, we are in a huge, long term, mess. Next step could easily be the death penalty from the NCAA for “lack of institutional control, second offense.”
Taylor,
It seems you know no one and know nothing. For a person with a lot of opinions, what do you base those opinions on?
If you think the big fuss over Gary Russell was about a laptop computer that was loaned to him, I have got a bridge I want to sell to you.
I ask you again Taylor, do you want to continue this conversation?
Taylor, we are not at all like the Twins because we do not have the player draft, free agency or any ability to claim players dropped from other teams. NCAA football is all about the same teams winning nine years out of ten unless you cheat or get lucky.
We need excellent, gritty fans who can support us inspite of the very uneven playing field and stick with the program through thick and thin until we can build ourselves out of the “have not” catagory. Instead we are trying this “recruit like Zook” stategy which has never worked here.
In any case, joe Mauer would NEVER have played for the Gophers.
The Loon says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:21 pm
We need excellent, gritty fans who can support us inspite of the very uneven playing field and stick with the program through thick and thin until we can build ourselves out of the “have not” catagory. Instead we are trying this “recruit like Zook” stategy which has never worked here.
In any case, joe Mauer would NEVER have played for the Gophers.
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When have we ever had a “recruit like Zook” strategy here? I don’t remember ever having a Top 25 class in the pass decade or two? Plus the gritty fans that you are talking about are dying by the day (fans from the 60’s and before) the only we could replenish those is to go to the Rose Bowl. But I wonder what the Zook strategy do to Illinois recently…?????? Oh yeah…they went to the Rose Bowl.
They now rank fifth and sixth grade basketball players. Can the fantasy ranking if five and six year olds be too fra behind. We will know we have arrived on the fantasy football recruiting scene when we can sign a class of five star three year olds! The Rival’s subscriptions to gi will skyrocket! gophersports dot come will turn a huge profit!
That’s where the future of college football lies: fantasy fooball recruiting rankings!
Ok d_a_c….errrrr…I mean taylor: so we don’t need a good fan base…you say brewster will win any way? Or, you think brewster will lose any way? Or, maybe none of it matters. Jus trash every former coach, administrator. They were ALL horrible, idiotic, fools who could do nothing right.
I’ll give you that taylor. But, do you know what? maturi, the pathetic little ranger, prexy b, the over the hill prexy who needs to resign for health reasons because of his advanced age and general incompetence and this brewster used car dude are far worse than ANY previous coaches, ad’s and prexys. This current batch is the worst of the worst. The poorest of the poor. Tbhe most incompetent of the incompetent. They will have this program begging for mercy in oh, so many ways. 0-8 in the big Ten. 1-11 overall. It just never gets any worse than that…it is a tribute to macturi, brewster and prexy b.
“And if you don’t like those lies, I’ve got plenty more.” A Loonatic racist.
The person who wrote on this Blog probably was Big Al. He is the only one of the Masonites who has some sense. He was not happy with Mase getting fired but he didn’t wine about it like the rest. He realized that would not change anything.
“The Masonites greatest claim to fame was their undying support for ALL Gopher football coaches.” When nobody in the world supports the coach, the Masonites do. When Mase left, that claim to fame went out the window. Big Al was the only Masonite whose actions spoke louder then his words.
0-8 in Big Ten play speaks MUCH louder than ANYBODY’S words. 0-8 in the Big Ten says it all. Hype is hype. Big Ten wins are Big Ten wins. Big Ten losses speak MUCH louder than any loud-mouth ciould ever speak.
Big Ten wins are the ONLY thing that will save brewster’s coaching soul. Nothing goldohfour…Big Al or anyone else can say can drown out the loudness of 0-8 in Big Ten play. That says it all.
Wrenagain says …”Jus trash every former coach, administrator. They were ALL horrible, idiotic, fools who could do nothing right.I’ll give you that taylor. This current batch is the worst of the worst. The poorest of the poor. Tbhe most incompetent of the incompetent.
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It’s obvious that you have been unhappy with Gopher Football for a long time, Wren. Maybe you should find another team to support. I’m sure Mason (and I mean this sincerely) will find another team to coach in the near future.
Or maybe you could follow Yudof at Texas and Dienhart at St. Thomas? Your hatred for everything at the University of Minnesota is nauseating!!!
The Loon says:
Taylor, It seems you know no one and know nothing. For a person with a lot of opinions, what do you base those opinions on?
If you think the big fuss over Gary Russell was about a laptop computer that was loaned to him, I have got a bridge I want to sell to you.
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Just because I won’t play your silly games and go ask Maturi about Gary Russell, I’m not allowed to have an opinion??? Or I need to name my friends to you to justify my support of Maturi??? I don’t think so.
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I ask you again Taylor, do you want to continue this conversation?
Yes, I would like to continue this conversation if you want to quit playing Gossip Girl and and just state what it is you are really want to say.
It’s amazing to me that you criticize the Goal Line Club members for their access to Brewster … yet revel in your access to Mason and his inner circle!!! Is that the Pot Calling the Kettle Black??!!
Former Prexy Y is on to bigger and better things than texas. He has moved on to the California Statu University system…
I care too much about the University of Minnesota to be able to just sit back and watch the current administration let the gains that Prexy Y brought to the Institution just slip away and deteriorate in 0-8 and 1-11 fashion.
Why…oh why would prexy b and macturi spend millions and millions of dollars buying out Mason when all they had to do in 2005 was let his contract expire back in 2005. It was only hours away from happening? Something smells pretty fishy to me…
I do not have any access to Mason or any Mason insider. Indeed the reason I believe what I have been told is that it was told to me by those who helped fire Mason. They support “Zook like recruiting” to the hilt.
taylor: you don’t get it do you? It is not about liking or respecting Mason vs. seeing brewster for the incompetent used car salesman that he is. If you can’t have an absolute hatred for 0-8 in Big Ten play you are not a football fan. They play the games to try to win. They keep score. They post records.
What was going on? Why would perxy b and macturi waste millions and millions of dollars to have someone go away? What do prexy b and macturi and a few others in the cast of characters have to do with foolish and fiscally irresponsible outlays of money by the supposed administrators of the University of Minnesota and the U of M athletic department? Something smells very fishy…
Wren I must say that I am disappointed in your continual bashing of Coach Brewster. There is nothing we can do about Coach Mason now, we need to move forward. All this negativity will get you nowhere…please, lets get with the program. Go GOphers!!
“If you are a racist, we have a lot in common.” A Loonatic.
And “BigAl67″ I must say I am disappointed in the Gopher Football Program and the way prexy b and macturi have conducted things. I could care less about Coach Mason. I “gave at the office” and took flack from these same so called Gopher Fans and booster club members who have proved to be such two-faced people who are not true to their own words. I have also learned of some things the I could NEVER support that macturi and prexy b appear to be advised of and less than candid about.
I look at three things now. 1: the program MUST be run completely honestly at ALL times. 2: there must be ever INCREASING numbers of STUDENT athletes brought into the program and this must be reflected by ever INCREASING numbers of student athletes who GRADUATE from the U of M. 3: The program MUST be competetive using the above criteria and the number of Big Ten wins MUST reflect this competetivness.
prexy b and macturi have led us back to the bottom of the Big Ten in terms of Big Ten wins at 0-8 in 2008. There are 3 sure Big Ten wins at the dome during teh 2008 season: iowa, NU and Indiana. brewster needs to show that he wants to coach and that he knows how to put his current players into a position to win by beating these three bottem tier Big Ten programs on the home field turf.
If brewster shows me something on Game Day Saturdays it can only be by winning these three Big Ten games. The ball is in his court. I can neither help or hurt him…just as I could neither hely or hurt Coach Mason.
I find it hard to be silent when I see things that are NOT GOOD happening to this kids on this team due to the administrative moves and coaching choices. Why should I be quiet? All I am doing is talking about what I see happening on Game Day Saturdays. There will be a new season happening soon. However, NOTHING I do or say can either help or hurt what will happen on GDS. brewster will do what he will do regardless of me. prexy b and macturi will do what they will do regardless of me. Mason will cash his checks from the incredibly expensive buy out that could have been avoided by not renewing him in 2005. Big Al, what was going on that caused that expensive buyout? It looks and smells fishy to me. So, IF you are Big Al, why don’t you explain all those millions of dollars that were spent when the contract was all set to expire in a number of hours.
Being realistic is something that may not coincide exactly with the agenda of a booster group. Some people need to say something about what is happening on Game Day Saturday. What happens on Game Day Saturday is the reason I have always been a Golden Gopher Football Fan. I have been a fan win or lose. I want complete honesty. I want competetivness. I want student athletes who graduate to represent the University of Minnesota Football Program. Is that asking too much? If I don’t see that happening should I just shut my mouth and never say anything? Should I let some “leader” tell me what I should think, say and do? I think not…
–I do not have any access to Mason or any Mason insider. Indeed the reason I believe what I have been told is that it was told to me by those who helped fire Mason. They support “Zook like recruiting” to the hilt.–
Whatever Walter Mitty. Please explain the “Zook-like” recruiting to us. If you’re referring to former MSU looser John L. Smith wondering aloud how Zook was able to recruit talent to a down-trodden Illinois program, those comments were baseless. If Zook’s done anything illegal, you’d think it would have surfaced during the last 6 years that he was either heading Florida or Illinois. Please come up with a new schtick.
–jim bean you low-grade alcoholic beverage: –
Wren, I gotta admit you made me spit my Diet Dr. Pepper all over the screen with that comment. While I agreed with most of what Mr. Beam said, that was funny.
Wren, You better get ready for your CROW supper!
–Exactly, you guys would rather lose before the game starts than face the chance of losing late. I would rather have a chance to win even if we lose in the end. –
No, we were sick of all the blown leads. Do we really want to relive Texas Tech or Michigan all over? While Brewster’s still an unknown at this point, we were never going to be any better than a middle of the pack at-best Big Ten team. There was zero chance that Mason would have ever taken us to a Rose Bowl. I would rather “recycle” coaches ever 5 years as you and Wren yammer on about, in hoping to find one that’ll take us to Pasadena than one who takes us to El Paso once every 3 years. —
–In the end, the big programs will have the depth and player choices to figure it all out as the games progress. That is why they are top programs, they have it all.–
So we should just resign ourselves to the fact that we’re always going to be a 3-5 Big Ten team? I hope that’s not your credo in life too. If so, congrat’s on being Mr. Lukewarm Oatmeal.
littlebig: crow supper? How, why, when and where? I am calling for brewster to start winning. I am saying the he hasn’t shown me anything to be thrilled about at this point in time. I am reminding him that the guy before him got fired for now winning enough Big Ten games…supposedly…
I call it like I see it. My priority is threefold in nature. 1. A completely HONEST program. 2. A LOT of Big Ten wins…or…at LEAST being competetive in the Big Ten Conference. 3. Ever increasing numbers of football players being student athletes and GRADUATING.
Until I see those three things consistantly being achieved, I see nothing that does not deserve a LOT of criticism. Right now I think brewster is headed in totally the wrong direction in terms of his offensive system. It is up to him to convince me that he is right and that I should have some sort of reason to be hopeful that he will be successful on Game Day Saturdays.
Believe me, I will be extremely happy if he succeeds on the three fronts that I care about. However, if it appears he is not getting there, I feel it is essential to talk about it, bring attention to it and to not lend my support to what I see happening.
I am also less than thrilled with the administrative leadership.
I think it would be wise for prexy b to pay attention to his health, retire and have a very nice, long, happy retirement.
It is just plain time for macturi to go. His message is not always straight and appears to be rather shakey at times. I always believe that honesty is the best policy and I am not convinced he always goes that route in explaining things.
brewster has to show me. What the hell is wrong with that?
Wrenbawlbaby says stupidly,
“Right now I think brewster is headed in totally the wrong direction in terms of his offensive system. It is up to him to convince me that he is right … ”
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That’s hilarious. A Big Ten football coach should “convince” an illiterate trailer trash dealer about anything? Just too funny.
Wren, I agree with every word in your 9:10am post. Well said.
Is brewster a Big Ten football Coach, d_a_c? That remains to be seen and the burdon of proof is directly on brewster, the gm/fantasy recruiter.
If you knock people who live in trailors that is up to you. However, as usual you are wrong and are making yourself out to look the fool. I will tell you that I do not live in a trailor, but, if I had any friends who I served with in the military that do live in a trailor, you are certainly not man enough to judge any of them.
How many years of military service did you give your country d_a_c? That time you spent in reform school does NOT count as service of any kind.
You want to reduce things to your childish level d_a_c…but, I won’t go that route.
How good can your quality of life be with that self-induced hole in your head? You know all about trash don’t you d_a_c?
Yudof now prez of U of California system, not California State system (they are different)
“While Brewster’s still an unknown at this point….”
mnmike, did you happen to miss the year 2007? Bad head injury or something? Brewster is not still an unknown. Actually, once he was hired and started talking, an intelligent person or persons could have easily predicted what Brewster/Dunbar/Withers were going to do: lose most every game. They did better than that.
We replaced the previous coach at super great expense under untruthful circumstances with a total rookie head coach with zero coordinator experience who threw out the previous systems and brought in a genuinly stupid and inflexible D coordinator that didn’t have the players to run the D he wanted to run and could not adjust to that painful reality. He brough in Dunbar, a coach I have never admired or respected, to run an O that we did not have the players to run. And then we lost every BT game we played (and a good many others to boot) and you were disappointed.
Sorry, we got exactly what was predicted and, I would have thought, a huge dose of who Brewster actually is.
But, perhaps I am not sufficiently respecting your head injury that caused you to miss 2007. Trust me, the guy is as dud like as he showed in 2007. Try not to miss 2008.
“He brough in Dunbar, a coach I have never admired or respected … And if you want stupid statements, I’ve got plenty more.” A. Loonatic.
Looney Toons,
It’s not a head injury. It’s a neck injury caused from throwing my head back in laughter after reading yours and the other bumpkin’s ridiculous posts. You really are clueless if you believe one year makes a career. If that were the case, DAC’s buddy in Wisconsin would be in the CFB Hall of Fame and your ‘ol pal Glen would’ve have had the chance to cough up some many games.
Wow did Loon have it going today. I am really starting to hope that Maturi does leave for Notre Dame, so the U can hire Loon to be the new AD. That way, all of the cheating that has been going on will cease to exist and coaches he respects will be hired.
Goph … The racist Loonatic would then become the first college AD who had never seen a football game and couldn’t identify a football from a rabbit.
It is just a stitch to think of these screech monkeys passing judgment on Brewster and Dunbar.
The misanthrope, d_a_c is a pathetic apologist for an 0-8 Big Ten coach who mopped up the basement of the conference in 2007. He cries that a youngster was the reason for the defeats and he praises the failed dunbar.
He seems to think that all those losses don’t tell the story…however, anyone who does not have holes in his head KNOWS that ALL losses are direcdtly on the backs of the coaches. Coaches lose games. Players win games. The coaches are dime a dozen peons who are hired to be fired. Basically, brewster had better win a h of a lot of Big Ten Football games in 2008.
Wrenagain says …
Mason will cash his checks from the incredibly expensive buy out that could have been avoided by not renewing him in 2005. Big Al, what was going on that caused that expensive buyout? It looks and smells fishy to me. So, IF you are Big Al, why don’t you explain all those millions of dollars that were spent when the contract was all set to expire in a number of hours.
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Having a Head Football Coach “RECRUIT” with only a year left on their contract is INSANE!!! Every other college coach tells the prospect don’t go to Minnesota, Mason only has a year left and won’t be there throughout your college career.
That is the main reason Maturi extended Mason’s contract, and a lot of boosters and friends (especially Lou Nanne) of Mason were pressuring Maturi to do so.
Plus, Mason was coming off a winning season and a bowl game.
Why is that so hard for you to understand, Wren??? Why does it have to be nefarious and “smell fishy”???
“Why does it have to be nefarious and “smell fishy”???”
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Because that’s the only thing the trash dealer knows. It is his whole life.
If the AD thought the recruiting was not good, how would running the coach’s contract down to ZERO days left help? As you know, a coach with less than three years left is a dead duck. Having run the count down to ZERO, why the hell would you re sign the coach to a multi year contract? What have you gained in that game? Then you buy him out at millions of dollars within the year? Is that the way Wisconsin would do it? No.
The answer, of course was the — R- disaster, not the TT loss. Maturi was losing his “plausible deniability” and our millions and program were made to pay. Nothing new in all this, this is just the price we paid for having a gutless wonder as AD. He would neither blow the whistle nor pull the plug. A nice buyout caused him to buy himself out of trouble.
Now Taylor, let’s get to Brewster. “Fishy” is very kind of Wren. Have I mentioned I want Maturi out first?
Taylor,
Until Wren learns to be unbiased like I am, it will be hard for him to understand!
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I do not seek, but I would accept the Gopher AD job. It is true that I have no experience as a head football coach, but then our head football coach didn’t have any experience either. As an AD I could not possibly do worse than Maturi. If I had wanted Monson or Mason gone they would have been gone with one tenth the fuss and one tenth of the money.
I would start by calling a meeting of all coaches and making it clear to them that if they cheated they would be fired without a single days pay as per the contract they signed. They would be told that even if the firing led to an NCAA death penelty, I would still do it. If they wanted to sue in court we would defend ourselves openly.
If the U would not support that position I would publically quit and hold a press conference regardless of the consequences to me. I don’t need anyones money. I’m set.
Brewster would get 2009 to start winning or I would hire a real football coach who understood how to get the best out of his players. In any case, his “recruiting like Zook” days would be over. Dunbar would be gone after 2009 regardless of his future performance. He has never understood the role of the O in winning games and never will.
So, do you think the Brewster fans will want me? Think the Goal Line Club would want an AD who expected football players to do their best in class or else?
The ravings of a deranged lunatic racist moron.
AD’s assistant: “Good morning, Mr. Loonytic. Welcome to your first day on the job.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Where’s my helmet, jersey, and jock?”
Assistant: “You’re not a player, Mr. Loonytic. You’re the new AD.”
A.D. Looneytic: “The hell you say. I’m the punter. Where’s the field. I want to practice.”
Assistant: “Sorry, Mr. Loonytic, but today you must handle problems with the women’s hockey team, rowing, and several other non-revenue sports.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Like hell I will. Wow, this is getting complicated. Do you have some crack cocaine?”
Assistant: “Surely you are joking, Mr. Loonytic. We do not use drugs in the Athletic Department facilities.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Like hell we don’t. If somebody expects me to sit around here more than half an hour without doing crack they’re crazy.”
Assistant: “I think I had better call a mental health professional.”
A.D. Loonytic: “If you need one, go ahead. Just get me some crack first. And why in the hell are those black people in my building?”
Assistant: “Those are football players.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Get them out of here before I have them arrested.”
Assistant: “For what?”
A.D. Loonytic: “Isn’t it obvious they are not from North Dakota?”
Assistant: “Sir?”
A.D. Loonytic: “Aai[3ww fypqre[ua [u9qw[uew vctn;aere909uqwcrackcocaine.”
Assistant (picking up phone): “Security? Come quickly, it’s urgent. There is a very sick man rolling on the floor and chewing on the carpet.”
Loon, thank you for giving your take of what you would do if you were AD. I actually tried to post a similar question to you and wren if you were AD what would you do to bring it to prominence. Though I see nothing wrong with what you said but thinking that you are in your high horse, you still have not answered the important question of winning the b10 and going to the rose bowl. Because if you dont have a winning season in the first year as AD, Wren will have your head! You can bring Mike Shanahan, Urban Meyer, and Les Miles to coach for us but still end up with a lossing season the first year. Or would you rather get Mason and Wacker back here and life back those glory mediocre years of old.
Oh by the way d_a_c, that last post is a classic!
Also wanted to add in the post about you been AD, it was all about you, you, you. Not how you would make the athletics at the U better.
Loon,
I do agree with you if Brewster doesn’t start winning by 2009 he should be fired. Mase did not give Brewster a very strong senior or junior class, but Mase did give Brewster a pretty strong freshmen and sophmore class.
I do agree if Brewster can’t win by 2009 with Mason’s younger players and two stellar recuiting classes, then Brewster should get fired.
I still think things will turn around and Brewster will get the train moving in the right direction.
The Loon says:
If the AD thought the recruiting was not good, how would running the coach’s contract down to ZERO days left help?
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ZERO days was the decision of the AGENT and Mason … they were trying to force Maturi’s hand. Remember, Mason wanted a $2 MILLION per year contract. And Maturi did NOT give in!!
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“As you know, a coach with less than three years left is a dead duck.”
Yes, of course everyone knows that…except Wren!!! Please explain it to him.
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“Having run the count down to ZERO, why the hell would you re sign the coach to a multi year contract? What have you gained in that game?”
Again, this poker game was the genius of the Agent and Mason. The deadline was December 31st and the signing date for recruits is the first Wed. in February. So, you still are able to sign the players you were recruiting.
Plus, I really believe that Maturi had a high opinion of Mason’s coaching abilities. There was an absolute love-fest between the two after the contract extension. It was the public relations that Mason was lacking and he did not build up a reservoir of goodwill from the h.s. coaches, “M” men, boosters, public, etc.
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Then you buy him out at millions of dollars within the year? Is that the way Wisconsin would do it? No.
Please name one major college coach (other than Gerry Faust) who was fired at the end of their contract. Nebraska fired BOTH their A.D. and Callahan last December after extending both their contracts in the summer months of 2007.
You said it yourself …”A coach with less than three years is a dead duck”!!
One more try: Priority number 1, if we have to cheat to get to the Rose Bowl I would much prefer to never get there.
Priority number 2, to win here we need a football coach who has a serious reputation before he gets here, has the serious support of 20,000 plus loyal fans at the end of every game for years into the future, is appreciative of the genetic limitations of recruiting in this part of the world (like Wisconsin) and has the multi year (decades?) long support of the administration ($$$$$$$).
In other words, Tuby plus.
The new stadium would help, too bad we do not have any (Roof?) of the right people on hand.
PS I would not fire Brewster in 2009. After the 2009 season I would begin to get his replacement lined up. The “knife in the middle of the night” would be used as 2010 developed.
As to the “how to win over the whole department” crack, anti cheating is the AD’s job, what the baseball coach does with his team is his job.
Loon you could be right about Brewster but all people are saying is just give the guy a chance. One year is way too early to get all bent out of shape, considering Brewster inherited a team predicted finish dead last in the Big Ten.
Gold … Your comment is absurd. The mentally ill racist has never been right about anything. Zero.
taylor: yopu said it yourself, a coach with under three years left on a contract is dead meat in the Big Ten conference. Then you go on to try to blame it all on Mason. The bottom lines here is the idiotic macturi, the stoneless little ranger also let the contract run down to days and hours. Certainly he should have had an ounce of intellegence and should have known all about how the recruiting had been trashed by having a coach under 3 years. The stoneless pathetic little ranger should have told the world then that Mason and his agent had not been willing to deal. THAT was not the case. The stoneless, pathetic little ranger had also been unwilling and not capable of dealing during that same time. He had his own agenda to try to save his own skin during that time. IF the stoneless little ranger had ANY stonse at all, IF what you contend had been the situation, macturi would have acted with stonse and said: sorry Mason and agent…you people have waited too long. You are GONE. Your contract will not be extended or renewed. We will have you out of here at zero cost.
But nooooooooooooo….the stoneless macturi and the elderly prexy signed Mason to a FIVE YEAR contract extension.
I’d say, in that situation, Mason must have had them both by the short ones and what he had must have given them nightmares.
macturi, the stoneless, pathetic little ranger and the elderly prexy (the “…I’ll just write a check from the General fund for the buy out…” guy) let Mason be totally in charge. They could not get the new stadium without him and one would wonder if he did not have some other kind of hold on the pathetic administrators as well.
You can hide behind the “you never let the coache’s contract run down to a year” lie that you try to spin all you want. By then, all the damage had been done to the position of head coach of the Minnesota Gophers Football team. As Loon correctly pointed out, you can not let a contract run down below THREE years. macturi and the elderly prexy b were totally out of it during that entire process. They were not in charge in the least. IF they had been, there would NEVER have been a last minute five year contract extension with millions and millions of dollars of golden parachute money going to the coach should his contract be terminated. prexy b and macturi were totally ineffective, not in control and were very worried about somethings. Otherwise, at the end of 2005 they would have said “we are not renewing Coach Mason’s contract…we are going a different direction…”
Just who IS running the Unviersity of Minnesota anyway???????
Wrenbawl … You make a lot of sense when you say that when it came to money Mason was in charge. Money was the only thing Mason cared about. Coaching and recruiting were left far behind in the dust on Mason’s priority list.
Mason not only wanted a lot of money, he wanted ALL the money. Every dime.
IF that were true d_a_c, what kind of incompetent FOOLS were macturi and the elderly, sickly prexy b????????? They gave him a five year extension. They kow-towed to him. IF he ran their show, who the hell is running the University of Minnesota?????? An indictment of Mason is most certainly a condemnation of macturi, the pathetic, stoneless little ranger and the elderlly, very sickly prexy b.
And, with the pair of administrators being totally out to lunch, and brewster not wanting any responsibility, is it any wonder that in 2007 the U of M Football Program was 1-11 overall and 0-8 in Big Ten play.
It truely is pathetic to see what is happening on that campus in Minneapolis.
” … and brewster not wanting any responsibility … ”
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Are you truly as stupid as you sound or is playing the stupid fool just your act?
Oh, then brewster personally takes total responsibility for changing the systems and going with the offense he did even though it tanked the 2007n season??????
Is that hole in your head causing to act like the world’s worst person or were you always that way you ignorant name calling misanthrope??????
0-8 in the Big Ten brewster showed us how he is and who he is on Game Day Saturdays last fall when every Big Ten and MAC-level coach he faced beat his brains in on the playing field.
brewster wants to be the gm/fantasy recruiter and he wants the other people to do the coaching and preping he SHOULD be doing. He just doesn’t know how and he doesn’t want to get his hands dirty. He lets you fools make his excuses for him. He was a total failure in 2007. THAT is what his record says. THAT is the way history sees it. THAT is the way it is.
He had better get a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008…or, will it be more of the 2007 crap from him?????
Do all trailer trash meth dealers sound that stupid?
Dealer … Please show us any evidence Brewster denies he selected and hired the assistant coaches. Show us where he disavows responsibility for changing the offensive and defensive system. Show us a shred of evidence you have more brains than a 3-day-old chimp.
Wren,
In your mind Brewster only wants to be a GM/Recruiter. Unfortunately for you, the rest of the world doesn’t see it that way. I have no idea why you get all bent out of shape when we were looking at 3-9 and ended up 1-11.
Who is mnmike? Who says we were looking at 3-9???????? Hell, with the EAS”Y schedule we had last year…AND in 2008 there should have been NO ooc losses. There also should have been wins against iowa, NU and Indiana not only in 2007 but also in 2008. Last year should have been a bowl year. Instead it was 1-11 and ZERO wins and EIGHT losses in Big Ten play.
mnmike: every Big Ten win is precious. If you haven’t figured that out by now, you can continue living hyping up a FANTASY recruiting victory rather than real, honset to goodness Big Ten wins.
brewster TANKED the 2007 seson. That sucker of a gm/fantasy recruiter THREW that season away in 2007. I’ll never forgive him for that.
He has an even easier schedule in 2008 than he had in 2007. I’m waiting and watching to see how he does. He had BETTER do a LOT better in 2008 than he did in 2007. He tanked that 2007 worse than I have ever seen any coach tank any season since that Smokey Joe season so very long ago. Wins help…losses will damn a coaches soul in coaching pergatory for a LONG time. Right now brewster’s coaching soul is looking for a reprieve from it’s own personal hell.
Point 1:
The Loon says:
“I do not seek, but I would accept the Gopher AD job.”
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This is possibly the most moronic statement I have ever read on the internet.
Predictions
Mase will win a National Championship!
Point 2:
The Loon says:
“…we need a football coach…who is appreciative of the genetic limitations of recruiting in this part of the world…In other words, Tuby plus.”
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I won’t even comment on your flagrant and disgusting racism, the continuous presence of which in your posts has been established many times by other posters. I’ll simply make a point regarding “Tuby”: you do realize that the players he has coming in are from places like Georgia, Toronto, Missouri and Illinois?
By the way I must admit this is classic, not only because it is funny but because it is an absolutely accurate portrayal of Loon:
A.D. Loonytic: “…why in the hell are those black people in my building?”
Assistant: “Those are football players.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Get them out of here before I have them arrested.”
Assistant: “For what?”
A.D. Loonytic: “Isn’t it obvious they are not from North Dakota?”
thewrenagain says …”The stoneless pathetic little ranger should have told the world then that Mason and his agent had not been willing to deal. THAT was not the case.”
Fortunately, Maturi has way more class than “thewrenagain” and would keep private conversations with Mason and His Agent PRIVATE … and not for public
consumption. That’s what professionals do.
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“The stoneless, pathetic little ranger had also been unwilling and not capable of dealing during that same time. He had his own agenda to try to save his own skin during that time.”
Basically the SAME contract offered to Mason and His Agent in JUNE was the same contract Mason signed in December!!! The ball was in their court for six months!!! They were hoping negative publicity would force Maturi to acquiesce to their $2 Million Per Year demand. But Maturi wouldn’t blink!! I guess he showed The Agent he has a pair of cajones!!
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“IF the stoneless little ranger had ANY stonse at all, IF what you contend had been the situation, macturi would have acted with stonse and said: sorry Mason and agent…you people have waited too long. You are GONE. Your contract will not be extended or renewed. We will have you out of here at zero cost.”
He DID start telling the assistants their contracts would not be renewed (in accordance with their contracts) … and that’s when Mason and The Agent agreed to the contract extension. Wren, do you really expect these high stakes contracts to be negotiated in public???? How naive are you????
–Who is mnmike? Who says we were looking at 3-9???????? Hell, with the EAS”Y schedule we had last year…AND in 2008 there should have been NO ooc losses. There also should have been wins against iowa, NU and Indiana not only in 2007 but also in 2008. Last year should have been a bowl year.–
Nearly every major publication had us in 10th or 11th place before the start of last year. You don’t just drop from middle of the pack to the basement by loosing a coach. It’s not like we exactly lost Woody Hayes. Take a red-shirt QB and a decimated RB corps (one of Mason’s strengths), along with a few other injuries and you have our 2007 season in a nutshell. I’m sorry that you continue to duck reality and live in your fantasy world that we were a bowl team.
“You don’t just drop from middle of the pack to the basement by loosing a coach.”
Now let us get this straight once and for all: did you, or did you not, suffer a serious head injury for 2007?
Loon and others did warn you guys. Just because you waste millions of dollars on the buy out of a middle coach, does not mean we would not go back to being a bottom program.
You won, we are now the bottom program in the Big Ten. Well done.
That was a bowl team that brewster took straight to the basement with all of his stupid changes. His dinky/dunky/easty/westy offense was totally dependent on his young qb. dunbar did his best to get the qb beat up every game.
brewster ball is not a good thing. Not when you don’t have the players to play that kind of ball. brewster insisted and he got his brains beaten in during the entire 2007 season. And a LOT of those games SHOULD have been wins instead of losses.
You might like to watch incompetence in action on the sidelines…but I don’t. brewster, dunbar, et al really sucked in 2007. They had better win a LOT of Big Ten games in their second season. Take about an incredibly friendly schedule that is set up for wins. Is brewster capable of winning a Big Ten ball game? Time will tell…
Wren - the fact that any offense needed to be dependent on a RSFr. QB is not Brewster’s fault. Tony Mortensen is a fine young man and I love the rural MN kids getting a shot at the U, but a QB of his caliber should NOT be your best returning upperclassmen QB. Again, I am reserving judgement on Brewster until he is given a fair shake of time, and I feel he made some rookie coaching mistakes last year, but your blind hatred of him is getting old. Last year was a combination of many things that led to a (please, remind us of our record again last season) record last year, one of which was Brewster’s inexperience. You say we were a bowl team driven to the depths of hell, but in reality we were a 6-6 team with a Sr. QB, All-American TE, great receiver (Payne), and a bad defense. 2007 was that team with the subtraction of all the experience.
I still find your arguments funny. As I have pointed out a few times here, Notre Dame’s situation was very similar to the Gophs last year…They had just lost their best offesive and defensive players, were playing young QB’s and an extremely young defense. However they had the “proven” winner in a coach in Charlie Weis (I’ll let you decide if Charlie Weis is a “proven” winner or not). Yet they still managed to go 3-9 after coming off of a BCS game and they lost to a team they hadn’t lost to in over 40 years.
What is more embarrassing? Coming off a 6-7 season and another second tier bowl game (which included one of the biggest blown leads ever in a bowl game) and falling to 1-11 or being a college football “factory” coming off a 10-3 season with a BCS bowl game and falling to 3-9?
You two keep babbling on about our record downfall, well it also happens to other schools. Schools with a much stronger reputation than the Gophs. Get your head out of the sand and actually pay attention to college football!
Matt Spaeth would never have been recruited by Brewster. Certainly not his “speed, speed and more speed” kind of player. Nor would Payne have been recruited for the exact same reason.
Is 6-6 better or worse than 1-11? Which is closer to a Rose Bowl team?
Loon,
I was the one who sent out the warning.
I was the one that warned Gophernation it would be a absolute MIRACLE if we won 6 games in 2007? I also warned people we would lose to Bowling Green. All those posts can be verified.
Then response to those predictions by the Masonites was anyone can predict loses. Well, who said on the beaches of Florida that in 2006 we would win our last three games to go 6-6. I did. It was not so easy then to predict wins when the team at the time was 3-6. Again another prediction on Gopherhole fullfilled. One of many.
Before you start patting yourself on the back, it was so EASY to see our team in 2007 was going to be terrible. They had NO talent. Just settle down and let’s see if Brewster gets 4 wins in Big Ten play this year. If that happens, I need to go into sports gambling.
Gopher 1, when was Charlie Weiss a proven head coach? With college kids? With young men who need to pass college classes?
You children need to understand the difference between your drug soaked, money mad, values deficient, hype oriented NFL and a university that wants to be an actual university. By 2009, some of you guys will get it, but by then there will be a whole bunch of new “NFL Gopher fans” to educate.
Wren, we may never be able to get these big talkers out of the way.
We will not win 4 BT games this year unless we have an injury free year, Dunbar disappears from planet Earth and several BT airplanes sadly crash.
But, that is what is so attractive about being what you guys were when Mason was the coach. If we win, I win huge. If we lose, it is all Brewster’s fault. Piece of cake this way.
Loon, did you not read what I said about Charlie Weis? I said I will let you decide if he is a “proven” winner. I never said he was a “proven” winner. Read the entire post before you make yourself look like more of a fool than you already do.
By the way, I haven’t watched an NFL game since I sold my Vikes tickets 6 years ago. So don’t call me an NFL fan. The only football I watch is high school and college.
Matt Spaeth made Matt Spaeth - he was an All-American TE who wasn’t even recruited to play TE - he even admits he never would have played DL (and our DL has been bad). His work ethic made him a star at the TE position.
He would never have been recruited by Brewster. He is exactly the kind of person Brewster does not want. He wants “speed”.
How do you know, he would have had decent speed when recruited for D-line. Once again your a FOOL.
little big boy.
First of all, it is “you’re a fool” as in “you are a fool”. I am certainly not “your fool”.
Secondly, he did not have the speed to play on our DL as a DE where he was recruited for and tried at that position.
Matt was not, and is not, fast.
Which player has Brewster recruited like Matt? Harold Howell?
Loon, you have admitted you don’t follow recruiting so how do you know none of the current recruits will end up being like Spaeth?
Loon says, “Matt was not, and is not, fast.” Steeler’s OC says, “He’s big, tall and fast, and he can block.”
At 6′7″ and 270 pounds, a 4.78 40 yard dash is pretty fast.
“Brewster cannot recruit in Minnesota.” A. Loonytic.
“Brewster would not have recruited Spaeth.” A. Loonytic.
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Cannot recruit or would not recruit? Which is it, brains-of-a-woodtick?
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“If you do not like these principled positions, I’ve got plenty more and I can flip flop until you find one you like.” A Loonytic Hypocrite.
Brewster will offer the best MN kids a scholarship. You can’t say Brewster wouldn’t have offered Spaeth because that is nothing but speculation. The point I was making was that we had a 3 year starter at QB, an All-American TE, a decent receiving group, a stable of RB’s, and a decent offensive line - and went 6-6. You take all those things away and keep only a bad defense, what do you expect?!?! Brewster made some coaching mistakes but the fact of the matter is graduation and attrition depleted the talent pool. Many publications picked MN to go 0-8 in the Big Eleven long before Brewster installed a new offense. Coaching change, loss of a lot of leaders, RSFr QB - yeah, Wren is right, we TOTALLY should have CRUSHED NU, Iowa, and Indiana. What blind hatred.
jim beam you are merely speculating with all of your opinions. The thing is that many publications predicted Minnesota to go 0-8 after bre4wster was named as coach.
You are so much like your name-sake, a bitter, cheap, low-grade bourbon. I never said that they should have crushed anyone. I did say that they should have beaten enough of the incredibly soft teams on their schedule to have qualified for a horse-crap bowl game. IF you play within a td or hold a lead over those types of teams…with better coaching you should win your share. Certainly there should have…could have been wins against iowa and NU. Indy got off to a very good start (a trait of brewster teams is to not show up for the first quarter…)
Blind hatred? You are a bitter bourbon breath, indeed, jim beam. Any team that you play within a few points of you have the talent to beat…IF you use the talent correctly. However, we must recall that we had brewster picking the systems and brewster gm-ing and fantasy recruiting while dunbar ran the offense. I don’t hate dunbar and brewster but I sure do have a very hard time respecting them. They have shown me nothing and they were 1-11 overall and 0-8 in Big Ten play. What is to respect or like about that?
Wren - answer me one question without posing another or getting off-track or reciting last year’s record. After losing Cupito, Spaeth, Payne, et. al on offense and having absolutely no one in the cupboard to slide into those spots without a significant drop in performance (outside of maybe Eric Decker) because of poor attrition and recruiting efforts towards the end of the Mason tenure, what were reasonable expectations for a coach coming in and changing schemes? MN wasn’t exclusive to change - this happens all over the country when coaching changes take place at all levels of college football. Again, take your meds, answer my question directly while you’re calm, and then you can go back to your rants about nothing.
You cheap bourbon names are all alike. The first thing that brewster should have done was to assess the talent that he did have. His young qb was one of the MOST productive players in the Big Ten in 2007. However, he should have been in a scheme more like the one he was used to from the year before. One that did not rely on him to carry the ball as often as he did and one that did not need him to make quite so many reads.
You know, it wasn’t anyone’s fault that some running backs got hurt. THAT is football. A good coach brings the talent he does have to the table with him and finds ways to utilize that talent.
I don’t like your attitude you cheap bourbon whiskey breath name. You and your type can sit around cheering for fantasy recruiting. I go to the games and fully expect to see the coaching staff trying to find ways to win ball games rather than to try to fit square pegs into round holes with the talent that they do have. brewster got what brewster deserved in 2007. The problem is that his players deserved MUCH more than brewster and dunlap gave them.
So, put a cork in the bottle bourbon breath moniker. If making changes always means 0-8 in big Ten play and 1-11 sesons over all, get used to it. The fire a coach every 3 to 5 seasons plan is now fully in place. get macturi the heck out of town and out of the equation. Bring in a football guy who knows he HAS to have an experienced, well-known, traditional football coach who wants to do the coaching to replace this brewster gm/fanatsy recruiter. Get set for a bad first season or two. Hope to God the new guy can turn the corner and be competetive for 9 or 10 seasons or it will all start over again five or six years down the road.
Considering we are finally getting a new stadium on campus…this program is headed for a lot of heart ache unless the aging and poor-healthed prexy and this macturi ad resign/retrie/replace themselves and then bring in a real experienced, well-known coach to help pick up the pieces…
No amount of cheap bourbon sounding monikers can ease the pain of going 1-11 overall or 0-8 in Big Ten play.
Wow - long winded and no answer. Not surprised.
Just remember, jim beam, you may dring the shots, but you sure as hell don’t call the shots…
Dear anti MADD,
Winning games is good for our program if we do it honestly, losing games will not help our program. We need to break out of the pattern of being one of the weakest programs in the Big Ten. Under Mason we broke out of that “bottom” group. I predicted we might very well fall back into that bottom group if we brought in a new coach. I was disappointed that we not only became the worst team in the Big Ten, we went back to being the worst fans in the Big Ten.
In short, I expected you guys and your All Lip coach to totally trash our program and you exceeded my expectations. 1-11 was horrible by any standard whatsoever. By the standard of what our program needs, it was a Titanic disaster.
Not trying to call the shots - I’m trying to make the point that there wasn’t enough talent on last year’s team to win 5 games regardless of coach or scheme - you use the 1-11 record as an opportunity, I personally don’t care much if we’re 1-11 or 4-8…neither is a bowl game. I am heading out for the night now, have fun hitting refresh for the next 2-3 hours until you go to bed.
(As the beautiful music from Titanic plays and Coach Brewster is far under the ocean)
“But Loon, (glug, blug, glug) how can you tell I was a disaster after only one voyage!? (glug, glug)”
gm/fantasy recruiter brewster might be thinking something like: “…it wasn’t this way when we had two throw away sesons at Carolina…”
Oh NOOOOOOOOOOO! How could this possibly happen?
“The big question about the Gophers football team’s highly ranked recruiting class is how many of the players haven’t passed their entrance tests or don’t have the credits to gain admission to the university. The scholarships given to recruits include money for enrolling in summer school. Some people, who should be in the know, report that coach Tim Brewster is not happy with some of the decisions that the school’s admissions office could make. More than a couple of the top recruits might not be admitted.
At least that’s what Sid had to say today in his column.
In the long-run, brewster had better hope that IF the kids he recruits aren’t ready and don’t have the scholastic potential that they will need to survive past one season that the admissions people at the U do their jobs and don’t admit recruits that should not be admitted.
This IS college football and the kids playing the games need to be actual student athletes. There are rules and those rules must be kept!
Will macturi have any comments on this potentiallybig non-story?
That is one of the probleme with ‘fantasy football recruiting…” It all looks SO good on paper. It is so easy to project a fantasy recruit into the starting lineup…all conference status…maybe even all-American statue before they ever even arrive on campus and are admitted.
There is nothing about fantasy recruiting that is certain. Sometimes you see ‘em…sometimes you don’t. Sometimes they keep their committment…sometimes they don’t. Sometimes when they arrive it’s not quite what it seemed.
Personally, I always wait a few years to see how it all turns out. You just never can tell about this recruiting stuff…
Who cares?! We will always have the official 2008 record of the 17th best recruiting class in the nation. No one can ever take that away from us and the rest is all just garbage.
Look at the plus side, the more guys not admitted, the more rides Brew will be able to offer in 2009, the better chances we will have to get an even better Recruting Ranking in 2009!! Fie on football games, it’s ranking that rock!!!
Go Brew!!
“And here we are college football fans at the first annual, Dive Off the Titanic Recruiting Disaster. Rumors are that Joel Maturi may be the first diver up.”
Wouldn’t that just make you so mad?! I thought the owner of the ship should go down with the ship just like the captain should!!
“His young qb was one of the MOST productive players in the Big Ten in 2007. However, he should have been in a scheme more like the one he was used to from the year before.”
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You mean he should have had Weber sit under center and hand off to …. an 18-year-old running back who would then run straight ahead into … no hole?
Wrenbawls you are a genius.
Loonytic … Gopher fans are not the worst fans. You and the other little POS moron — the two of you crapping all over the Gopher program like to screech monkeys with your pants on fire — are the horrible fans. And you are worse people.
The two POS meth dealers and crack cocaine addicts are beside themselves with joy hoping some of our recruits don’t get into school.
With fans like these drug-dealing trailer trash garbage who needs friends?
Look in the mirror d_a_c you are an example of a bad human being. And you protrey a “Gopher fan?” You should be ashamed of all you are. You are a Gopher fan? IF you are, you represent the anti-Gopher. Take a good long look in the mirror d_a_c. I will always be pleased to represent a contrast to you and what you stand for. Besides that, you have a self-inflicted hole in your head. You are NOT a Gopher fan d_a_c…you are the anti-gopher…
Well, ha, ha on you Wren. They have got you this time. You have been calling Captain Brewster the “gm/recruiter”. Well smarty, if he were the “gm/recruiter” he would have know the rules about recruits getting into the U!! So there, you clearly were wrong about Brewster, he doesn’t know anything more about recruiting than he knows about coaching!!!
My cheering for our recruits would make no difference to U admissions. My cheering against our recruits would make no difference to the U either.
Though my expectations are being confirmed at about the rate of one every other week, that is nothing more than expecting reality. Sad reality, but reality nonetheless.
So go ahead and blame me for reality with some Minnesota Nice bad words. Better yet, blame Mason.
Loon and Wren don’t even have season tickets. No credibility whatsoever to even comment on the gophers.
gogophers: what a lying fool you are. Just go ahead trying to think I have no tickets. But…of course…I do.
Tell lies. That is typical of you gi/gh booster club types.
Perhaps gogophers has no season tickets or has only been around a year or two? I don’t know. I don’t care.
I will talk about what I see going on in this program. brewster is over his head. macturi and prexy b need to step down. Poor prexy b’s health is not good. He needs to enjoy his retirement. macturi just needs to go. HJe is driving this program into oblivion. He needs an experienced, well-known, traditional, good solid football coach who really wants to coach the players he recruits. A guy who understands that the players must be student athletes.
So, lie all you want gogophers. Your lies change nothing. brewster can not hide from himself. What he does is out there for the people to see on Game Day Saturdays. So far he is 1-11 and 0-8 in Big Ten play. That is what we know. No lies by booster club dudes and dudettes or gi/gh dirty tricks dudes and dudettes can change the record.
Now let us get this straight once and for all: did you, or did you not, suffer a serious head injury for 2007?
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Once again, it’s a neck injury suffered from throwing my head back in laughter at you absurd and racist comments.
–Loon and others did warn you guys. Just because you waste millions of dollars on the buy out of a middle coach, does not mean we would not go back to being a bottom program.—-
Wow! Now you’re talking in the third person. The “warnings” from you and that other nutbag on the blog mean absolutely nothing and are not based on reality. You know, there are prescription drugs available that can help bring you back to reality. It’s too bad there’s nothing available to cure your racism though.
–You won, we are now the bottom program in the Big Ten. Well done.—
Once again, it’s only been one year. If possible, try to see the big picture.
–He needs an experienced, well-known, traditional, good solid football coach who really wants to coach the players he recruits. A guy who understands that the players must be student athletes.–
Once again, please provide us names of which coaches, that were available at the time, met these criteria.
–gogophers: what a lying fool you are. Just go ahead trying to think I have no tickets. But…of course…I do.–
Why would you? You’re obviously not a fan. I don’t remember if it was you or the other crazy in the basement, that mentioned “I’m not sure if I want the team to succeed in 2008.”
Well, mike, you would think you deep thinkers would have thought that one out before spending millions of dollars on getting rid of the previous coach. Again, you were told that no sane person would want this job if you fired Mason.
You guys have created a disaster and, I for one, want you to go down with the ship.
(As the beautiful music from Titanic plays and Captain Brewster is far under the ocean).
“But Loon, (glug, blug, glug) how can you tell I was a disaster after only one voyage!? (glug, glug)”
I sat in on several hearings to bring football back to campus. Brunicks was there and so was Mason. They both lobbied hard for the stadium. Anybody who thinks Mase didn’t do his part does not know who the U sent to lobby. Mason testified to the need of the stadium and was an effective lobbiest. Why can’t people give Mason credit where he deserves credit. The U had a vision, promoted it, and now it is being built. Mason was part of that process and had input into the stadium design and in getting it funded at the legislature.
I respected coach Mason as a head coach, just not as a game day coach. He delivered in some very good long term areas. I said last year that I thought Mason couldn’t be a GM for most organizations. I recant that right now. I think he is a better GM than most. I failed to account for his contribution to arguably one of the most beautiful college football stadiums in TCF stadium. It is Memorial Stadium par deluxe.
Brewster may be gaining the windfall of being able to sell the stadium and gaining higher level recruits due to Mason’s efforts at getting state funds for the same.
I wish Mason well, and I apologize for being too critical about his management style.
–Well, mike, you would think you deep thinkers would have thought that one out before spending millions of dollars on getting rid of the previous coach–
It took two to tango during that mess. Your boyfriend certainly tried to put the U over a barrel with his & his agents hardball tactics.
–Again, you were told that no sane person would want this job if you fired Mason.–
So….we should have just kept Mason? I realize that you’re a champion of mediocrity and all, but others wanted a shot at something better. Is Brewster the one who will deliver it? I hope so. If he’s not, then we move on to the next coach. I’d rather do that than keep some disgrunted piece of deadwood around who didn’t care enough to make the program any better.
–You guys have created a disaster and, I for one, want you to go down with the ship.–
So, you’re saying that you want Brewster & the team to fail? Wow! You really are a fan aren’t you Looney Toons?
OneOld:
Most of us here have all given credit to Mason. You are correct in that he did a LOT of good for this program and I will always give him his due for that.
With that said, I have also openly admitted that I felt it was time for a change and that he had gotten the program as far as he was going to get it. I don’t know if Brewster will get us over the hump that Mason got the program, but I am willing to give him a fair shot to try and get it over the hump.
“Glug, blug, glug, I too look forward to the Second Voyage of the Titanic. Once we get past these unforseen iceburgs (like the Admision’s Department) we will have no more bumps or humps. Glug, blug, bubble.”
Captain Brewster
Mason did a very good job with our program and in getting our stadium built. He is probably #3-#4 on the all time gopher coach list.
However it was time for a change. Brewster may not be the answer but we need to give it time. I really like Dunbar and Roof.
Wren does not have season tickets and how dare you call me a liar.
Loon already admitted it why can’t you?
Loon,
Here is the contact info for the NCAA. I would like you to please contact them and tell them of all the cheating that is taking place within the Gopher football program. The cheating needs to STOP now and since you have all of the evidence it is your responisbility to contact the NCAA!
The National Collegiate Athletic Association
700 W. Washington Street
P.O. Box 6222
Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222
Phone: 317/917-6222
Fax: 317/917-6888
thewrenagain says:
June 5th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Look in the mirror d_a_c you are an example of a bad human being. And you protrey a “Gopher fan?” You should be ashamed of all you are. You are a Gopher fan? IF you are, you represent the anti-Gopher. Take a good long look in the mirror d_a_c. I will always be pleased to represent a contrast to you and what you stand for. Besides that, you have a self-inflicted hole in your head. You are NOT a Gopher fan d_a_c…you are the anti-gopher…
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And what chemical is your hallucinogen of choice today, Wren? You’re so weird it’s scary.
Looney Toons apparently missed his calling as a stand-up comic. His Titanic analogies have everyone rolling on the floor, I’m sure. NOT! You’re almost as weird as your soulmate Wren, Looney.
Welcome back to reality Jimbo! As you can see, Goon and his whiner sidekick have gone over the edge. My favorites:
Goon talking about his imaginary job offer for the AD position. Also, his Titanic fantasy. I love how he talks about himself in the 3rd person. It’s a classic.
Not much on the football front. We’re 84 days away from College Football kick-off. No Big 10 teams, but even bad college football is pretty darn good.
Rescooter,
Thanks for the reminder when the season starts. It doesn’t seem like we’ve been able to enjoy summer yet, but I can’t hardly wait for the fall.
I got back last night, Scooter, and have only had time to scan the drivel written by the psychotic Wren and his faithful companion Looney Toons. It’s almost hard to believe that two people could be so ignorant and consumed by hatred.
Wayne, I am very concerned about your state of mental health. It is now time to move on and get behind Coach Brewster and the Gopher football program. Please, lets move on for everybody’s sake. Stop by our tailgate this fall, I will have a cold soda for you and we can discuss some important things I have discussed with Maturi that might make you change your tune. Go GOphers!
Here’s the schedule for Thursday August 28th:
Vanderbilt at Miami Ohio 6:30 p.m. ESPNU (HD)
North Carolina State at South Carolina 7:00 p.m. ESPN (HD)
Wake Forest at Baylor 7:00 p.m. FSN (HD)
Oregon State at Stanford 8:00 p.m. ESPN2 (HD)
Games that haven’t been scheduled for nationally available networks so far.
Charleston Southern at Miami 6:30 p.m. ESPN 360
Eastern Illinois at Central Michigan TBA TBA
Eastern Kentucky at Cincinnati 6:30 p.m. TBA
Hofstra at Connecticut TBA TBA
Indiana State at Eastern Michigan TBA TBA
Jacksonville State at Georgia Tech 6:30 p.m. ESPN 360
Northeastern at Ball State 6:00 p.m. TBA
South Dakota State at Iowa State 7:00 p.m. TBA
Troy at Middle Tennessee TBA ERTV
UTEP at Buffalo TBA TBA
I’m even pumped for the Northeastern/Ball State game!!!
For Jumbo, in case you missed it. Goon’s first day on the job as AD.
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AD’s assistant: “Good morning, Mr. Loonytic. Welcome to your first day on the job.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Where’s my helmet, jersey, and jock?”
Assistant: “You’re not a player, Mr. Loonytic. You’re the new AD.”
A.D. Looneytic: “The hell you say. I’m the punter. Where’s the field. I want to practice.”
Assistant: “Sorry, Mr. Loonytic, but today you must handle problems with the women’s hockey team, rowing, and several other non-revenue sports.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Like hell I will. Wow, this is getting complicated. Do you have some crack cocaine?”
Assistant: “Surely you are joking, Mr. Loonytic. We do not use drugs in the Athletic Department facilities.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Like hell we don’t. If somebody expects me to sit around here more than half an hour without doing crack they’re crazy.”
Assistant: “I think I had better call a mental health professional.”
A.D. Loonytic: “If you need one, go ahead. Just get me some crack first. And why in the hell are those black people in my building?”
Assistant: “Those are football players.”
A.D. Loonytic: “Get them out of here before I have them arrested.”
Assistant: “For what?”
A.D. Loonytic: “Isn’t it obvious they are not from North Dakota?”
Assistant: “Sir?”
A.D. Loonytic: “Aai[3ww fypqre[ua [u9qw[uew vctn;aere909uqwcrackcocaine.”
Assistant (picking up phone): “Security? Come quickly, it’s urgent. There is a very sick man rolling on the floor and chewing on the carpet.”
So, it is now fairly clear that another myth about the “post you know who (YNW)” era has bitten the dust like all those other myths that were so bravely tossed about by our Gopher children. Drop out rates under the new coach will not be better than they were under YNW.
Technically, it would be somewhat fair to say that since many of Brewsters “greatest recruits ever” not even got into school in the first place, it would be unfair to say they have “dropped out of school”. However, look at from this point of view. If none ever get into the U, it would be unfair to say his drop out rate is better than YKW (or “he who can not be named” HWCNBN).
All and all, do you really think this Brewster improvement thing is really selling out there in Dixie? How about in irrelevant Minnesota? “Things go better with Brewster” is being believed?
I saw it, d_a(sp)_c, but it was worth reading again. Thanks!
At 1:42 PM, there was yet another rambling, nonsensical posting by Looney Toons.
I’d like to suggest that Wren and Looney Toons find some volunteer opportunities to occupy their time, but I can’t think of an organization that would have them.
Scooter, you’re a sick man, but a likable one!
Turbo says:
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Have to agree with JB, remember that after recruiting season ended Sports Illustrated named MN its “most surprising” program for getting so many kids with offers from big-time football schools to sign here, I’d say that’s both an impartial and a reliable source.
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The ink can hardly dry on each bit of Brewster praise before it all turns to dust. That connection between what Brewster says and that tricky thing called reality is still confusing you guys?
Do we now get to go back to the agents for these “Zook like recruits” and get our money back, or is this now just “money down the drain”?
Goon … Relax and toke up. You cannot compare a 10-year record of actual dropouts with the speculation of drug addicts and meth dealers as to what will happen in the future.
“I’d like to suggest that Wren and Looney Toons find some volunteer opportunities to occupy their time, but I can’t think of an organization that would have them.”
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Perhaps serving as mules for Mexican drug dealers would take good advantage of their backgrounds and skills.
Loon,
Have you contacted the NCAA yet on all of the cheating that is taking place in the Gophs football program? Until you do contact the NCAA your words just ring hollow.
Great to know from two authorities, neither of whom even has Gopher tickets, that Minnesota is the only Division 1 team in the country sweating some of its recruits qualifying for school.
Boy, crack addicts and meth dealers sure know a lot about football.
Yes, Gopher1, if that were true, they would ring hollow to you. With what you know, have you contacted the NCAA? That would be really hollow of you not to.
Heck, I just want us to get our money back if these young gentlemen and scholars can’t get into school.
I don’t know of any cheating going on so why would I contact the NCAA. You are the one constantly saying how much cheating is taking place in the program. So I have given you the contact info for the NCAA to turn the Gophs program in. Why won’t you do it?
My, my Gopher1, that is quite the post you have above. So many assumptions.
The actual news today is that more Brewster recruits have bitten the dust. My comment was that I hope we get our money back. Don’t you?
Looney Toons, purporting to be someone you’re not, or pretending to know something you don’t, goes way beyond pathetic. Has your sense of self been shattered so badly you must continue this charade?
If you weren’t so obnoxious, I’d almost pity you.
“Why won’t you do it?”
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Take your pick:
1) He’s a goon.
2) He’s a delusional crack addict.
3) He’s a mule for a Mexican smuggler.
4) He’s a Gopher hater trying to undermine the program by spreading lies and innuendo.
5) All of the above.
I’d say numbers 1 & 4. He’s too screwed up to be on crack. I’m thinking more like acid.
I’m fine with my money going to Brewster. Why won’t you answer the question on why you won’t contact the NCAA? you can’t tell me it’s because you don’t know how to contact them, I have given you the contact info.
Could you also please clarify what assumptions I have made?
Tough day for the Brewster fans in the real world. Hard to make the case a guy isn’t a fan when you also say he does not have season tickets, when, in fact, I have had three for some time now.
Sorry, you’re confusing “fan of Mautri/Brewster/Zook” with fan of Gopher football over the past 40 years. Sorry, I am not required to like that which makes me ashamed to be a Gopher fan.
Loon,
Please answer why you won’t contact the NCAA! It’s a simple question.
Still waiting….
“Please answer why you won’t contact the NCAA!”
Can you read and/or think? I did not say that.
duh I don no ow 2 reed or thinx 4 meself. I need you 2 thinx 4 me.
Gopher1, if you ever have a chance to attend a serious university they will try to teach you about quoting someone. You take the exact words they used and you put them in quotes, like this: “It’s a simple question which I made up about what I made up about what you said”.
If you try to imply that someone said something by writing what they did not say, than, academically, you have nothing. Asking them about what they did not say is what? Lame lawyer speak?
Jumbo says,
“I’d say numbers 1 & 4. He’s too screwed up to be on crack. I’m thinking more like acid.”
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Early results of the polling are in with a total of 486,239 votes so far. Voting for No. 4 were 263,090. No 5. got 201,577. The rest were split on Nos. 1,2,and 3.
If you add the votes for 4 and 5 you see that almost everyone believes he is a lying little thug trying to undermine Gopher football.
Big Al,
Wren is not going to change. It’s a waste of time trying convince him otherwise. As long as Loon is negative about the program, Wren is sure to follow. It’s almost impossible for Wren to go against what Loon says.
Granted I told those guys there is a chance they could be right. I hope not but we will see. One year is still way too early to declare Brewster is a failure. Especially since he inherited a team projected to finish dead last in the Big Ten.
Maybe a couple of years from now we’ll be celebrating a Rose bowl victory and we’ll let by gones be by gones. I just think we need to let things play out these next two years before jumping to conclusions.
The Gophers will win a National Championship!
Loon,
Please explain “Zook like recruits.”
“Please explain “Zook like recruits.””
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Recruits that get you to the Rose Bowl.
Loon’s explanation of Zook-like recruits:
speed speed speed cheat cheat cheat dumb dumb dumb
I wonder if the loonatic racist could explain why speed equates to cheating and dumb at Minnesota but not at Michigan, Ohio State, Stanford, Northwestern, LSU, Florida etc?
I suspect the only explanation is that the loonatic racist is a loonatic racist.
Loon insists that he never said the U is cheating.
Anybody read this article:
http://www.twincities.com/gophers/ci_9516585?nclick_check=1
Sorry, it’s the competition!
Yes, it is sad. He still has the “I can talk my way to victory” point of view. The one game that could most easily have gone the other way last year was our victory over Miami of Ohio. Yet, our Brew still thinks he did a better job than what his record shows.
How about a nice, “we did a real poor job with the guys we had last year, this year I will make sure we do a better job with the guys we have.” End of interview.
You are the sad one, racist.
You don’t turn a failed program around without the guts and self-confidence to put forth a positive interview. You are a loser and nobody wants a loser associated with a football team.
C’mon Loonie, what’s “Zook-like recruting?”
Mason failed, and he alienated “THE KEY” people RENDAHL/LOON.
Whine Renbawls and the racist Loonatic are key people? In what, a sewage dump?
Loon and Wren, I was wondering why do you guys like Dunbar so much? I know you both have great admiration for him, and like the style of offense he runs.
If Wren or Loon were ever AD at the U I bet we would have an additional 6 or 7 National Championships on our hands. They sure do know it all don’t they.
But of course they are on a blog site complaining to everyone how they could do things differently if they were in charge.
I think we all work with people like this. Thinking they always can do it better than the next guy but is basically incompetant at the job they are being paid to do.
I’m being paid to keep the “so-called” Gopher fans such as you and d_a_c and jimbo and goldohfour and derek and all those dudes and dudettes on gh, gi and in the booster club from od-ing on the kool aid, the company line and the lines of hype that the used car sales man and macturi and prexy b (the poor, tired, prexy now suffering from ill-health who needs to retire and enjoy his final years) all keep trying to force-feed to the public. One can see based upon the way the name-calling perpetrated by the hypsters and kool aid freaks present as the “voice” of so called Gopher fandom has begun to sink to new low-levels as this very limited brew-crew attempts to lie to the casual fans and distort the reality of his record. To say that brewster has proven to be any more than a 1-11, 0-8 in the Big Ten level coach is total speculation and spin. His record is the only thing we have to judge him by. macturi did not hire they type of coach he needed to run the football program. He needed experience and a certain amount of professional stature and achievement. He hired non of those qualities.
Many Big Ten wins are needed in 2008. 3, iowa, NU and Indiana are served up on a platter in the dome. Never again will brewster have such a golden opportunity to get 3 Big Ten wins at home. The schedule is so incredibly easy this year (2008) that there is NO excuse for having fewer than 7 wins (3 big Ten wins) and an invitation to a crappy bowl game, which most of you brew-crew people will not attend. Failure to go bowling in 2008 would be unacceptable and so incredibly underwhelming going into the 2009 stadium opening season.
Quite frankly, based upon the responses from you people and your types, I would say that folks who DO raise the important questions here on this blog such as Loon and Bud are doing fantastic jobs of keeping lines of communication open AND are sending the important messages to macturi, the tired and resting prexy b and this gm/recruiter laughingly known as “brew”. The message is simply: 1) big Ten wins are mandated. 2)graduate ever increasing numbers of football players. 30 always run a clean and honset program.
Nothing else matters.
I do not like to predict such things as “how the season will go” regarding wins and losses. For us, injuries are too important.
However, I will easily and confidently prdict what will be said on this site even fourteen months from now. Regardless of how the football games go this fall, this site will be awash with how Brew is “on schedule”. 3-9 or worse (or better) and the Kool Aid types will be confident that Brew is right on the “Zook schedule” towards the Rose Bowl. There are no number of losses that will not be hyped as part of the “building process”.
As I have said before, we are into a sequence of four/five year rebuilding programs now. Buy out the old guy after a bad year four, lose games like crazy as the new miracle system is installed, repeat, repeat.
Until Maturi and his gang of lickspittle hype mates are pushed off the new 35W bridge, our program will continue to be all “wait until the year after next”.
–I’m being paid to keep the “so-called” Gopher fans such as you and d_a_c and jimbo and goldohfour and derek and all those dudes and dudettes on gh, gi and in the booster club from od-ing on the kool aid, the company line –
Really? Didn’t you tow the company line while Mason was coach?
–macturi did not hire they type of coach he needed to run the football program. He needed experience and a certain amount of professional stature and achievement. He hired non of those qualities.–
OK, name the coach(es) that were available & interested in the job? Just like you white sheet-headed friend, you keep yammering on about it without providing anything substancial to back it up.
What exactly would be different tomorrow if Maturi was replaced as AD?
Remember when A. Loonytic had the job for 30 minutes and ended up throwing a childish temper tantrum, rolling on the floor and chewing the carpet, because no one would bring him crack?
Is that something that helps our football program?
If the only coach you could get was clearly worse than the coach you paid a fortune to get rid of, wouldn’t a man with even half a brain either not extend Mason’s contract or not buy him out until you knew who would replace him?
You guys were happy to take this risk, now we have a mess and you want to somehow blame excellent, generation long fans for being fed up with the U making a total mess of the football program. For some of us, this has never been a ten year hobby of personality cultists.
Building the new stadium was a real step forward, dancing with Zook is idiocy.
” … wouldn’t a man with even half a brain either not extend Mason’s contract or not buy him out until you knew who would replace him?”
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What kind of totally naive moron believes you can go out on the market looking for a new coach while the old one is still on the job? Do you have the faintest idea of what that kind of behavior would do to the entire football program?
What a terrible blow to Sam and the Maresh family. But he is a fighter and God willing he will come through this in good spirits and better off having caught the problem early.
Good luck, Sam.
I never would have thought I saw this day coming. Through the years Loon and Wren have challanged Gopher fans to support our coach not matter how he does. They even prided themselves in that aspect. Yet, when the going got tough, instead of the tough get going, they decided to run for the hills.
you want to somehow blame excellent, generation long fans –
Please don’t tell me that you consider Wren and yourself “excellent” fans. That would be like Recruiting calling himself a decent & moral individual.
–Building the new stadium was a real step forward, dancing with Zook is idiocy.–
For the 3rd time Walter Mitty, please explain your Zook comment.
Gold,
What do you expect, those two are world-class hypocrites with one helluva man-crush on the previous coach.
Wow! I’m shocked to hear about Sam Maresh. Hopefully the surgery’s successful and he can lead a trouble-free life.
–What kind of totally naive moron believes you can go out on the market looking for a new coach while the old one is still on the job? Do you have the faintest idea of what that kind of behavior would do to the entire football program?–
I think we know the answer to who those two would be. Then again, they don’t care about the program. There support soley rested with the previous administration. Little do they realize that the coach & AD are just gatekeepers for a number of years. The program will go on with/without Brewster, just like it will the next coach.
I’m tired of the same old conversations here. You guys suck….
GET OVER IT
Mason is no longer the coach.
Brewster has 1 season under his belt. Lets wait to see some improvment this year by the players.
We saw improvement the last part of the season and had a record season as far as overtime games go.
I wasn’t under any illusions last year. Going from our running offensse to a wide open offense was not going to be easy. We obviously didn’t have the horses on the defense and that is Brewster and Whithers fault for not realizing it sooner.
Now lets move on.
Good luck, Sam Maresh. Be thankful that the physical uncovered this problem. Your health and recovery supercedes anything else at this point.
ZERO chance of me running for any hill. I will be here pointing out what a predictably stupid move you “deep thinkers” made to my program. You wanted this, I did not. It is yours, not mine. Now you go ahead and enjoy your mess. I will not.
There is more to being a serious coach than “recruiting like Zook” in search of “speed, speed and more speed.” YOUR mistake, not mine.
Let’s see here. Brewster took a team predicted to finish last in the Big Ten and finished last. How was that a mistake? Brewster had no talent.
“We obviously didn’t have the horses on the defense and that is Brewster and Whithers fault for not realizing it sooner.”
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I wonder what exactly Brewster and Withers didn’t know about their defense given the fact we were 110th out of 120 Division I teams the year before, had no new talent, lost three starters just before the season started, and had several experienced guys get hurt early in the year?
What would the coaches have done different if they had “realized” all this sooner? Cancel some games?
Goofball … Name a “serious” coach who is not recruiting as much speed as he can get?
It’s the “as they can get” part that is tricky. I am 100% is favor of recruiting ‘B’ or better students with hign ACT scores without paying out any special favors and sticking to guys who have shown a high standard of personal behavior.
The Brewster list of “fast players who can not play actual college football” is getting quite long already.
Any kid who meets entrance requirements is OK. Why should football players be B average students when general population students are not?
Every serious football coach at any level of college ball wants speed. The game revolves around speed.
Loon, for the record it is not your program.
Predicted to finish last AFTER naming a non head coach to the job. Hell, I predicted we would suck once HWCNBN was fired. My brother called me and said: “well, that’s the end of the Minnesota program” even before the non coach was named.
I always hate to bring up the issue of thinking on these sites, but we gutted out national reputation when we declared that a serious coach like Mason “could never win here”. OK, then what?
The correct way to get away from a Mason like situation (if you must)is to hire the replacement into the support staff and then work out a retirement plan for the old guy.
Sorry, Wisconsin did it about right. It is called planning. Not our leader, he is just too ‘limited’ as a leader.
For the record, it is my program.
The Loon says:
June 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
For the record, it is my program.
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For the record, I’m Batman.
Loon, how is it specifically your program? It is a state run university and a state run football team. It is every citizen in MN’s football program, not just yours. You are not the school president, the AD or the head football coach, you are a fan…or you pretend to be anyway. The U football program is just as much yours as is Mankato’s, Duluth’s, St. Cloud, Southwest St’s, Winona’s and Moorehead’s. A couple of those programs have been pretty darn bad over the years. So why aren’t you complaining about them and how poorly they are being run?
If you do not like how the U football program is run, you can sell your tickets and stop following the program.
–The correct way to get away from a Mason like situation (if you must)is to hire the replacement into the support staff and then work out a retirement plan for the old guy. –
You mean one of the musical chair at DC coaches that Mason rotated in year after year? Maybe if he was more interested in paying for talent without keeping the entire pie for himself, we could’ve gone that route.
No deal Gatekeeper Gopher1, it is the Gophers that are my program and have been these past 40+ years. You get no vote on this one, I decide. I have decided I do not care about those other football programs.
Don’t like it? Too bad. Go over to one of the sites (GH, GI, GP, ?) where you can have total control over what is said. You need that. I don’t.
You would think your total victory in turning the program into a last place program, against my advice, would be victory enough for you and your ilk.
Mike, you must be young. A veteran would know that the NCAA really doesn’t like that sort of “paying for talent” stuff.
Oh, did you mean Withers? What was his talent?
Loon, you fail to realize your advice means nothing to anyone involved in the Gopher football program or athletic office. If your advice actually meant something to anyone involved in Gopher athletics you would be in a position to have your voice heard. Instead you are on here, where again, no one cares about your “advice” or anything else you have to say.
If you want to call me a gatekeeper that is fine. I have no trouble being a gatekeeper against people to knock and ridicule my beloved Gopher football team.
No one knows better than I do that Maturi is totally uninterested in my views. But, I will continue to post so that those who have an open mind can more easily see the destruction to our program that Maturi has brought forth.
However, on the wider stage, I will not join your chorus Barry Bonds chorus of “if you can not prove it in a court of law, it is not true”. I will continue to try to resist that view and the view that a university degree is not important. And I will continue to oppose the view that losing games is part of winning the Rose Bowl. It is not.
By the way, it is the so called leadership of the team I hate (Maturi, Brewster, Dunbar, etc), not the players. You have never seen me use the players as an excuse for why a coach fails. Indeed, I am the one who keeps repeating that it is the job of the coaching staff to win with the players they have.
By the way, maybe you should take after your hero Maturi and join the Gilgore Rangerettes. That way you could get to kick and smile all the time.
Loonatic …. The Gophers belong to real fans who support the players and coaches. The Gophers do not belong to maggots who slime, slur, and slander the players and coaches at every opportunity. And believe me, the Gophers do not belong to racist creeps.
A. Loonytic: “I own the Gophers.”
Wrenbawls: “That’s nothing, I own OPEC and most of Shanghai.”
A. Loonytic: “You’re a damn liar.”
Wrenbawls: “So what? You are too.”
A. Loonytic: “Great. I’m glad we understand each other.”
Loon your ranting is really getting old.
littlebigboy,
Don’t read them? Oh, you mean you don’t want anyone to read them? Sorry, no deal.
d_a_c: Here is the deal. You are a sad, sick control freaki who can’t control diddly because it takes a lot of Big Ten wins to gain any kind of respect. So, you call people names. If you are an example of a brewster supporter, you constantly give even brewster a bad name with your outlandish act. That nation of little d_a_c’s that brewster is trying to build will be nothing but a low classed and low rent bunch of name-callers, talkers of trash and impotent misanthropes who will try to make excuses for all of the losses. Believe me, I doubt if even you would want to belong to a club that would let you join, d_a_c.
Every post you write shows people just how low you can go. So you are the new typical brewster supporter? It is, indeed a very sad day for Golden Gopher Football. You represent the direction brewster is taking this program. So be it. You represent who and how brewster is.
But, remember one thing: for brewster to survive, he needs a LOT of Big Ten wins and he needs them starting in 2008. He may survive as coach through the 2009 season, but, without a LOT of Big Ten wins it will be uglier and uglier and there will be less and less people who are willing to put up with brewster and who are willing to tolerate the low-rent name callers such as yourself that claim to represent all things brewster. Pretty soon, without a lot of Big Ten wins it will be increasingly evident that macturi brought in a guy who wasn’t ready to do the job.
Your words represent brewster around here. Your words paint a pretty ugly picture of brewster.
And, every loss that brewster has will magnify all of his warts and will make your themes even more disgusting to the casual fan and even the realistic fans. That’s just the way it’s going down d_a_c…
Go deal some meth, trailer trash backstabber.
Loon,
You compare Mase to Alveraz and it’s not even close. I’d take Alveraz any day over Mase. With Mase you keep having these delusions of his greatness. When Mase beat ANY team, I would have thought we won the Rose Bowl after reading your posts.
–Mike, you must be young. A veteran would know that the NCAA really doesn’t like that sort of “paying for talent” stuff.–
So Zook’s paying for his talent at Illinois? If so, please provide proof. There’s never been a peep of Zook either cheating during his tenure at Florida nor during his stay at Illinois. Once again, you’re talking out of the wrong orifice.
d_a_c…aka brewster-mouth: you are a pretender, you will never be a contender. The macturi/brewster brings hype, not hope. You are an example of the atmosphere and environment that has descended upon the football program at the U of M right now. ONLY growing numbers of graduates, complete honesty in running a clean program and a hell of a lot of Big Ten wins can change the cheapened an classless trash-talking and anti-social attitude and behavior brought on by the d_a_c (aka brewsteritis/macturitis) types on this and other boards.
With every vile post you make, d_a_c you show us the future of Gopher Football under brewster. You are a symptom of the pathological decline of that hype and not hope brings. Attempts by you to control will be met with more open and honest descriptions of what REALLY is happening over there in the Bireman Complex. We are currently suffering from “d_a_c-tile dysfunction” as a result of your sociopathic personality and verbage, d_a_c.
Seek mental help, loser.
Receptionist at mental health clinic: “Good morning, how may I help you?”
A. Loonytic: “I need to urgently check in my good friend Whine Renbawlbaby. He needs a lot of help and treatment for his illness.”
Receptionist: “That can be arranged. And what is your name, sir?”
A. Loonytic: “I’m A. Loonytic.”
Receptionist: “Hmmmm … We do have a two-for-one special we could offer.”
Dear Wren,
I was jumping around to various sites and I now see that the expectation game has now moved down another notch (as I predicted it would). The Brewster faithful I now predicting what I knew they would predict before the season started:
“Throw Away Season, Part Deux”.
Refering to the football magazines picking our guys for 10th or 11th place in the Big Ten, “great if we win 5 or 6 games in 2008.”
Long gone are the days of a winning team. Now, one or two Big Ten wins would be “great”. You are so right, these guys are now saying it would be great if we throw in the towel on a bowl game at all. Indiana, Northwestern and Iowa, at home, too hard. Season TWO, no bowl game chances, “great” season.
Take the offer of a two-for-one special while it lasts, loser.
Must check the flooding in my yard. Can’t waste air… Rising too high. Hey! That’s not water!
It is the stupid debate raging on and on. I’m beginning to think 2010 might be a very good year for Gopher football. The lines are getting the attention they deserve in recruiting. Now if we can land a few more top 50 linemen on either side, well… it could be interesting.
I think Loon and Wren are idiots to think that everyone on this board is either a Pro Mason fan or a Pro Brewster fan. I am both. I liked Mason and I thought he did a great job and I was as surprised as most people were when he got canned. I actually thought he should have been canned the previous season before he signed his extension. I also think he was a risky coach when he kept wiggling the carrot out in front of Ohio State, LSU, and Michigan State. As much as I enjoyed the bowl game success I also hated the absolutely weird losses that occured during his tenor.
I also like Brewster. I love the way we have hired two very experienced coordinators with some coaching talent underneath them. It remains to be seen what this squad can do in the coming years with the supposed talent and coaching. It is however too early to be dissing Brewster like LOON and WREN have been doing since day 1.
I saw some progress towards the end of the year last year with a lot of youth on the field. Hopefully that youth will grow up a bit with a year under its belt.
GoGophs … Good post. You are right, there was progress late in the year especially on the defensive side.
And remember, most of the guys on the field on defense late in the year were freshmen and sophomores. That means we have a lot of young guys coming back with real experience, plus the new guys coming in.
GoGophers, we played our best games towards the end of the year because Shevlin, Davis, Willie and others got more healthy and most of all because that highly paid moron Withers stopped blitzing as much.
If you want to have an opinion try to be consistent and believable. Do you think, does anyone in the world think that Coach Withers did a good job last year with the players he had? We had the worse defense in D-1 because the coaches (allowed by the boss) totally misused the players they had.
Had you bothered to watch the games you would have seen the same stupid man to man D way too long for the season. Once they went to a more prevent defense they gave the O the chance to keep them in the games.
Now allow me to get a tad nasty. Coach Brewster was the coach of the team last year and that team deserved to lose every single game they played all year against the easiest schedule we have had in many years. The guy did a terrible job. It was almost as if he was affraid to tell his coordinators what to do. After one full season it is perfectly fair and resonable to state that Coach Brewster was a total failure last year. His record of 0-8 proves that statement.
Now you silly person, how is that not a perfectly fair asessment of his first season? He failed. Totally. He was a train flying off the edge and into the Grand Canyon.
PS One year from now you same silly people will be on this site saying the same things. “Oh, he was so unlucky to lose so many games. It proves nothing, it is only two seasons and the really great coaches only win games starting in their third year.” At least get with the official Brewster Excuse Program, the surrender drums are already beating out the official line, it will be at least 2010 before he can be expected to win anything.
If the guys wants respect as a coach why does he not try a new approach to coaching: shut up and win some football games?
Extremely good post GoGopher. I think Brewster also did a good job in hiring two very experienced coordinators. Brewster left the play calling to them and tried not to be someone he’s not and start calling plays.
I think Roof is the real deal. I know Dunbar is getting flack by Loon and Wren but he will get this offense running at a high octane level. At Northwester his last season there, his offense was second all time in the Big Ten in yards. If he can do that there, he can do it here. Wren and Loon may say that kind of offense doesn’t help in wins, but funny his last three years at Northwestern they won a total of 14 BIG TEN games. Remeber those other games don’t matter just the Big Ten games. The great coach Mase never won 14 Big Ten games in three seasons. If he can succeed at Northwestern, Dunbar can do it here. Look how California collasped last year when he was gone.
I know the Masonites were worried that Brewster was going to get his son in at quarterback instead of Weber. After all Brewster does not know anything about coaching. Now Brewsteer is even hinting it may be time for his son to look elsewhere. Once again these ridiculous ideas from the Masonites go down the drain.
People aren’t saying Brewster is the greatest but one year is way too early to jump to conclusions. Let’s see how things play out.
Wren,
One correction. Mason’s last 10 win season was about as easy of a schedule as you can get. That was the easiest schedule in years.
Loon, so you want to keep rehashing last yr. about a hundred times. You can’t do anything about it. I think the rest of us should talk about next yr. whick WE CAN DO NOTHING about. So here goes! WOW what a great 1st game. The Offense really moved the ball and Weber used his head very well to direct an explosive offense. Defesnsively they were all over the field kicking ass everywhere. What a great addition Roof was, he really knows his stuff. Brewster managed the game brilliantly and showed his leadership. GO GOPHERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not any easier or even as easy this 2008 season will be. Montana State? BG, FAU. NIU?
And besides that, Mason didn’t win enough big Ten games and was fired. There you have it goldohfour. I’m just waiting to see if brewster can win a LOT of Big Ten games in 2008. Heck: iowa, NU and Indy at home!!!!!!! He has GOT to be able to beat those teams, doesn’t he? If he can’t get that done…he is probably too far gone to ever have a prayer.
Just remember, the macturi machine and prexy b fire people who don’t win enough Big Ten games. Ever 3 years or so if they fall flat on their face in Big Ten play. Mason gfot fired. If brewster can’t win Big Ten games he will be fired. That’s what macturi does to people who don’t produce…
Yes indeed, let us once again, as adults, look forward to next season. The coach who did such a very poor job last season will certainly do a much better job this season. How do I know that? What the heck do you think I done gone to university for in the first place?
I learned that you never look at a persons past record when considering the future. Just because the Titanic captain would not slow down even when warned of iceburgs certainly should tell you nothing about his judgement on his next voyage.
Gee I’m finding this intellectually difficult to swallow. You don’t evaluate a person based on their actions, you only evaluate their work based on what some people want to believe. Gosh, I’m trying to remember what class that was taught in.
My guess is the guy will probably get non fools to have confidence in him after he shows he can beat any team. I will look forward to that day. Until then, gosh, I’m sorry, that 0-8 season is “very, very” unreasonably coloring my perception of the guy. I just be not smart enough for that sort of logic.
A. Loonytic: “Hey Wren, any good new ideas on how to knife the Gophers in the back?”
Wrenbawls: “You mean something we haven’t already done?”
A. Loonytic: “Yea, something different. My knife is dripping with blood and I can’t really think of a new way to slander, slur, slime and undermine the program.”
Wrenbawls: “Why do we need anything new? Let’s keep up our same slimeball, sleaseball, garbage, POS attacks on the Gophers.”
A. Loonytic: “Right on. Let’s just keep up with the slime, slander, slurs, and backstabbing.”
Renbawls: “Rock on, baby .. I love it. Have some more crack.”
A. Loonytick: “Keep it coming. I can’t live without crack cocaine.”
Wrenbawlbaby: “Right on man. I can’t live without selling it.”
A Hoosier’s reposting of a blogger’s take…
“…There is no possible pretense, no rosy rhetoric in the language capable of spinning Tim Brewster’s debut in a positive light.
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Negative thought? That’s a lap.
- - -By any objective standard, off the school’s best five-year stretch since World War II under Glen Mason, this is a true statement. Alas, I underestimate the reach of boundless optimism. If you want it to be true, you must first believe that it is true, and only then will it achieve truth:
…the guy remains as buoyant and invigorated as the day he got the job. You listen to Brewster for an hour in his office and you leave wanting to go into a three-point stance and tackle someone.
Still, the fact remains that his Gophers were 1-11 last season.
“That one-win season very easily could have been a six-, seven-win season, easily,” Brewster is quick to say. “We lost six games by a total of 23 points. We were in three overtime games. But to me, in the building of the program and understanding this process, it was what it was.
“Obviously, the 1-11 record last year was the toughest thing we had to handle; it was extremely tough on all Gopher fans, particularly me. But I really believe this with all my heart: the two steps we took back last year in wins and losses, we’re going to make up for and step forward in the very near future.
“That’s because our brand, our style of play has allowed us to recruit at a level that maybe hasn’t been done here.”
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O Rly? Minnesota was indeed in three overtime games – it lost two of them, to Bowling Green and Northwestern, and won the other, against the Ohio-based Miami. The Gophers had two other close losses, by three points at Florida Atlantic and by six against North Dakota State, which ran for 400 yards in the Metrodome. So, technically, Brewster is right: keeping the Miami, Ohio overtime in the win column, Minnesota was a few plays away from winning four more games against an also-ran from the MAC, the tenth-place team in the Big Ten, a team from the Sun Belt and a team that was ineligible for the I-AA playoffs because it was in a “reclassifying” year from Division II. So close.
Meanwhile…
The Gophers were outscored in their other seven Big Ten games by 17 points per game. They were, infamously, last in the conference in almost every possible way, particularly on defense – last in rush defense, last in pass defense, last in pass efficiency defense, last in third down defense, last in fourth down defense, last in yards allowed, last in points allowed, last in sacks, last in tackles for loss, last in turnovers forced, last in time of possession. At least, by holding Wisconsin to just 453 yards total offense in the finale, Minny avoided the title of “Worst Defense of the Decade,” moving one yard per game behind the 2002 Eastern Michigan Eagles for the gold standard in contemporary generosity.
(Gopher partisans might try to claim that game, a seven-point loss, and the preceding five-point loss to Iowa – the only big Ten offense that failed to score four touchdowns vs. Minnesota – were close games, as well, but both included late Gopher touchdowns that made the score closer than necessary and subsequent failed onside kicks. And we know the rule, per MGoBlog: anytime you’re only an onside kick away, you’re not really that close).
Brewster also does not understand why bringing a patch of Rose Bowl turf from Pasadena to spring practice – to a team that went to seven bowl games in eight years under his predecessor but hasn’t been to the Granddaddy since the early sixties – is being held against him as, like, a prediction:
“Now, never one time did I ever say last season we’re going to the Rose Bowl, this season we’re going to the Rose Bowl. This is what we want to do, this is the expectation level of our team, and I want it to be the expectation level of our fans.”
Nothing wrong with that. But then 1-11 happens, and some people begin to realize that talk is cheap.
“But how can talk be cheap when you didn’t say that’s what you were going to do?” Brewster said.
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Well, as long as he didn’t say it, that puts the season in an entirely different light. I can’t be certain – I was not at any alumni events, recruiting trips, media days or pep rallies – but I can say that whatever talk Brewster did engage in did not include the phrases “1-11,” “loss to North Dakota State” or “worst Big Ten defense of the decade.” I dunno, though. Maybe he did say that’s what they were going to do. Which would, as Brewster says, make that talk not cheap, but right on the money, if he said the team was going to achieve those results. If he said, “we’re going to be the worst team in school history,” that talk would not be cheap. It would, indeed, have extremely high predictive value in a way that enthusiastically unfurling a piece of pristine St. Augustine from the Rose Bowl was never intended to.
But re: recruiting, the one aspect of the game where talk can make you a king: Ya Rly. In this regard, to everyone’s surprise, Brewster is right to be enthusiastic and quietly optimistic. Despite the record, he landed two transfers from Notre Dame, then brought in a near-consensus top 25 class with four-star players from California, Texas, New York and Indiana and two guys in Rivals’ top 250, including MarQueis Gray, the site’s number three “dual-threat” QB and maybe a borderline top ten guy among all incoming quarterbacks, depending on who you ask. Those are all good signs of incremental progress, and clearly Brewster has learned his lesson about raising people’s expecta–
“We changed our style of play, which allowed us to recruit what I feel is the No. 1 quarterback in America. You think the No. 1 quarterback in America (MarQueis Gray of Ben Davis High in Indianapolis) would have been here in a different style? No, he wouldn’t have. That’s what people right now have got to be really excited about.”
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All this excitement is going to kill the people. Or, you know, somebody…”
Whiney Renbawlsbaby … Do you have any idea how many crack and meth customers you lost putting that pile of garbage on the board? Tend to your business, trailor trash.
We can always count on Wren and Loon to play fast and loose with the facts. Wren says, “By any objective standard, off the school’s best five-year stretch since World War II under Mason, this is a true statement.” Nonsense. Mason took scheduling patsies to a new high, or should I say low. His last five years he was 38-25 (18-22 in the big ten). From 1960 to 1964 Warmath was 30-16-1 (22-12 in the big ten) with two Rose Bowls and one national championship. Between 1973 and 1977 Cal Stoll was 30-26 (19-21 in the big ten). Not nearly as many patsies. In 1977 we beat UCLA, Washington and shut out Michigan (I believe that was the only time that happened under Schembechler) - Washington and Michigan were the two Rose Bowl teams in ‘77.
I was watching those 1960 through 1964 teams of Murray. But, by 1971 the administrators had fired Murray. He obviously wasn’t good enoudh for the administrators at the U of M. I watched those Stoll teams. The administrators fired his butt too. IBased upon the fact that the Gophers had been without their own stadium since 1981 or so, the administrators at the U of M were going to be firing EVER coaches tail for not being good enough. And, true to their form, they fired Mason for not winning enough.
Do you pathetic excuse-making kool-aid drinking, hoppers on and off the bandwagon booster club and gh/gi types who try to snatch access to the coach of the moment think for a minute that a 1-11 coach…in fact, a 0-8 coach in the Big Ten has a very good chance of surviving. Hell, the administrations at the U of M even fired Bernie Bierman for not being good enough!
brewster is pretty much doa at the University of Minnesota. It has been obvious from the day he was hired that this guy was macturi’s idea of a cheap date that he could keep around for a few seasons while he and prexy b were spending all their time and efforts trying to be fabulous and live off the good will of the new stadium that they had to extend the former coach to make happen.
Any less than those 3 big Ten wins over iowa, NU and Indy at the dome in 2008 and it will be next to impossible to keep selling/hyping/putting up with brewster much beyon the first season of the new stadium.
REad the handwriting on the wall. Look at the history of Golden Gopher Football since AFTER WWII. The U of M brutalizes and discards football coaches. THAT is their strategy. That is how they do things. THAT is what the booster club and these gi/gh sites promote. There IS no loyalty. There is NO real Big Ten level support from the administrations.
I’ve watched a lot of you back-stabbers turn on coaches for the past half century. How and why am I supposed to believe that “this time is different?” I’ve seen you all do this a lot of times in the past. I used to fight you on this. This time around, I am tired of the back-stabbing and the sudden changes of supporting a coach one day and working to get him fired the next day that I have seen from so many of you people.
This time, I am just plain telling it like it plays out on the playing fields on Game Day Saturday.
IF brewster can win a hell of a lot of Big Ten games starting in 2008…IF he graduates ever increasing numbers of student athletes from the football program and…IF…he runs a good, clean program: he will eventually win my acceptance and support. IF he continues down the path he started out on in 2007…I say fire him now! THAT is not back-stabbing. THAT is looking him in the eye and telling him that I don’t like his results, I don’t like his methods and I don’t like his mouth. THAT is being honest about what I see.
I’ve watched so many of you people and your types working to destory football at the U of M and especially coaches that I’m not going to do anything except be honest about what I see happening. I’ll also recall the two-faced ways in which I have seen many “so-called” Gopher fans treat coaches in the past. Enough is enough.
IF brewster meets my 3 criteria, I will support him. IF he does not, I say get rid of him…the sooner the better. But, take out macturi first!
In the goofy world of macturi there has been a lot of rationalisation of his handling of the Monson fired affair and the Mason extension. Each, so strange in their own right as to cause serious doubt as to whether this man is a leader at all. Teary eyed cheerleader for sure. Leader? No.
Even if one were to set all of that aside with all the damage that was done to both the BB program and, most of all, the four year effect on FB recruiting, we are still left with the Brewster hire. I do NOT want Brewster bought out by Maturi. To me that would be the single worse move possible.
I would say the following sequence makes sense to me.
1. Dunbar is let go after 2009. Good bye, no money owed.
2. Maturi gets to cut the ribbons and receive boot licking, butt kissing homage over the new stadium in 2009. His contract with the U is not renewed (his contract with the Badgers is up to them, he has served them very well in every particular). Goodbye, no need for byeout. Perhaps we could offer him a burrial site under the Badger toilets.
3. Real AD hired. PC choice will be a woman.
4. 2010, Brewster dealt with on his merits. He needs to be given an extension at that time before his contract reaches its last year in 2011, or, as seems far more likely at this time, he needs to be bought out by the new woman AD.
I do NOT want Maturi hiring another Kilgore Rangerette as football coach. The only way to avoid that sort of “we can talk and line kick our way to the Rose Bowl” kind of coach is to get rid of Maturi.
The previous two posts are most assuredly the result of a scientific experiment to see if a baboon, locked in a room with a computer, will eventually type something.
Loon,
I know that you and Wren hate Dunbar but the guy has had a lot of succes as a offensive coordinator. He did very well at Toledo and Northwetsern. California seemed to fall apart after he left.
I think this year the offense will make big strides. Dunbar is a proven coach and I think things will turn around.
Wren,
You talk about back stabbing and the ironic thing is…. you and Loon are the ones doing it!
Another ironic thing is Loon and Wren told us once the new coach has a bad season EVERYONE will turn on him. You can’t get much worse then 1-11 and people are still supporting Brewster, while Loon and Wren have turned their backs on Brewster. You go to any of the Gopher sites, there is still overwhelming support for Brewster.
Once that tatic failed, now Loon and Wren are saying Brewster has us all fooled. Brewster doesn’t have us fooled, we’re just saying ONE year is too early to jump to conclusions.
I’m still standing by my prediction of 4 Big Ten wins this year and 6 wins the next. I expected wins when Mase was here and I’ll expect them with Brewster.
pokeintheeye says:
We can always count on Wren and Loon to play fast and loose with the facts. Wren says, “By any objective standard, off the school’s best five-year stretch since World War II under Mason, this is a true statement.” Nonsense. Mason took scheduling patsies to a new high, or should I say low. His last five years he was 38-25 (18-22 in the big ten). From 1960 to 1964 Warmath was 30-16-1 (22-12 in the big ten) with two Rose Bowls and one national championship. Between 1973 and 1977 Cal Stoll was 30-26 (19-21 in the big ten). Not nearly as many patsies. In 1977 we beat UCLA, Washington and shut out Michigan (I believe that was the only time that happened under Schembechler) - Washington and Michigan were the two Rose Bowl teams in ‘77.
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Plus, they didn’t have the abundance of Bowl Games in the 1970’s as they do today … otherwise Stoll’s 1977 team would surely have been invited!!!
What was it back then? Only top two Big Ten teams were invited to bowl games? And today the top SIX Big Ten teams get invited? Big difference…
The Loon says …
3. Real AD hired. PC choice will be a woman
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Do you not consider Paul Giel and Mark Dienhart REAL Athletic Directors????
I’m sure you didn’t criticize Giel when he HIRED AND FIRED … Cal Stoll, Joe Salem, Lou Holtz and John Gutekunst.
And did you criticize Mark Dienhart when he hire DAN MONSON???
Did you criticize President Yudof wen he paid $MILLIONS to a lying and cheating Clem Haskins????
Let’s keep playing the hypocrite game put forth by Loon and Wren. They get to decide which football coach, Athletic Director and President are worthy of approval (and allowed to keep their jobs) based on Loon/Wren’s double standard and selective memory.
I guess Loon/Wren are the only ones on this blog who are oh so “Wise and Masterful”!! What a Superiority Complex!!!
After 3 full days of excruciating meetings, I’m back. I needed to unwind with some non-intellectual reading, so I read Looney Toons’ and Wren’s postings.
What amazes me is that these two yahoos whine about name-calling and slander, yet they devote hours slandering people that are infinitely superior to them in every facet of existence (e.g. intelligence, morality, class, productivity, meaningfulness, ethics, relevance, etc.) The people they slander (Brewster, Maturi, Bruininks) have no idea that these pathetic weasels even exist.
Looney Toons and Wren:
I received this email this morning. I assume you’ll be signing up?
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Sorry Jimbo, I have never been interested in hobknobing with any coaches or the ADs. My interest in Gopher football has always been centered on the football games. I love the effort the players give us and enjoy their off field accomplishments. The social stuff is important to some, not really for me.
Maturi and Brewster believe these social events are key. I do not support them in their positions because they start from the wrong basic view of football and Minnesota. A sociological circus built around a “speed, speed and more speed” offense will be a social, academic, criminal and football disaster here. Even Wisconsin and Iowa are having a hell of a problem with their far less spread-like offensive systems and their needs to bring in ghetto kids who are not at home at Big Ten universities.
I’m not on board and do not need your approval to continue to point out why Maturi and Brewster are going to fail here.
But, by all means, have a good time at the events planned.
Gold 04, there is nothing “backstabbing” about my posts. They are very direct, very upfront, very non PC, very openely regretful, very consisten.
I have openly written the president, the AD and the public. My opposition to the spread and Dunbar has been consistent from the moment, the hour, the man was hired. Get me a meeting with any of these Kilgore Rangerettes and I will calmly say the same things directly to their faces. I do not hide under various names on different forums and do not hide under a golf cart in Florida.
All you have to do is go to Brewsters office the door is always open.
Looney, I HOPE you know the cruise thing was tongue-in-cheek. You and Wren would be more likely to sign up for floggings than to go on a cruise with Brewster.
I do agree with you on one front, though. I wouldn’t do this if there were nothing else to do. I can’t imagine time worse spent (unless, of course, it was with you or Wren.)
To what end? He believes in what he is doing and I do not. I would not change his basic approach. He would not get me to agree that the risks he is taking are worth the reward he is offering.
Oh Jimbo, those warm thoughts of yours are so heart warming!
My guess is that the actual moment of death for the Brewster Era may come as early as the Indiana game this year.
The blind shall see, the lame may walk away.
It’s fascinating to have someone so full of hate quoting scripture.
PS Jimbo. If Brewster has an IQ within ten points of mine I will eat his helmet. Maturi??!! “Should I tell the newspaper I am going to fire Monson or not, given that I have not made my mind up yet??” Gosh Joel, I’ll be damned if I would know the answer to that one.
Get serious, these guy may or may not be many things, but Brewster’s whole career shows he is not a thinker. No one other than Maturi has ever hired him to think. That is fine with me, it is not a high IQ job overall. But please, do not insult the average above average person by suggesting, even in jest, that Maturi and Brewster are smarter than even average high school teachers.
Gosh Jimbo, is that from scripture?
I do not hate Brewster or Maturi, they are just gold plated, Oscar winning, textbook examples of the Peter Principle at work.
Joel is a natural Assistant Atheletic Director who goes to all the games to do his Kilgore Rangerette routine. In that important role, no decisions are ever required of him. “Go Badgers!!!”
Tim Brewster would be a very good position coach. Go tight ends!!!
Oh, yeah, Looney Toons. I forgot what a deep thinker you are.
Well I don’t have to lift the bar very high in those two cases, do I?
“He would not get me to agree that the risks he is taking are worth the reward he is offering.”
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Who cares? He is a football coach; you are a blithering moron with the brains of a spider.
Wait, d_a(sp)_c! Looney Toons is smarter than Brewster and Maturi. Didn’t you see his postings?
Funny thing is, Brewster and Maturi can both prove they graduated from college. All’s we have from Looney Toons is the constant smoke that billows out his a**.
Oh really Jimbo, is this how you show your quality?
Racist backstabber.
Nice new name for Loon,I mean SPIDER!!!
Can you imagine an ignorant spider believing he is on any kind of equal footing with Coach Brewster?
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Hilarious.
But he will continue to spin his evil web over and over.
From the other newspaper:
Gophers athletics director Joel Maturi, on Thursday, on the athletics director vacancy at his alma mater, Notre Dame: “If they call, I’m going to tell them, ‘Thank you, but I love what I’m doing.’ ”
If the DFL wants me to take over for Obama: “If they call, I’m going to tell them, ‘Thank you, but I love what I’m doing.’ ”
Seriously, I don’t think ND was going to Joel.
On a personal note, I got the clearance today for a fulltime golf schedule.
So until the Gophers strap on the pads and we have some real football to talk about here, I will waste no more time being entertained by the delusional ravings of a couple of racist smear, slander, and slur merchants whose spew indicates an education of daytime quiz shows, Judge Judy, Oprah, Dr. Phil, and American Idol, along with a lot of Rap in the background, supported by ample amounts of crack and meth.
Based upon your usual sad, sick delivery of name-calling and idiotic hate talk, even that self-induced hole you put in your head is not an excuse for you d_a_c. You are a merchant of darkness. The problems with your head have just begun and you know it.
The season will show us when it’s Big Ten time. Will the hate-filled deliveries of darkness and pathological vindictivness continue to burst holes in your head? You are a sick one d_a_c. A sad, sick merchant of darkness.
Maybe it’s time to shut down our football program. Halt the construction on the new stadium. Give our football team’s practice facility to some other Gopher sports team. Donate the helmets and pads to a Junior College. I don’t think we’ll ever win again. So why not shut the whole cotton picken thing down? We are wasting our time otherwise.
Well, either that or push Maturi and company aside, your choice.
I’m with d_a(sp)_c. Althought my lack of golf playing this year has nothing to do with health, and everything to do with lack of time, I intend to spend more time on the links henceforth.
I will leave Looney Toons and Wren to spew their ignorant and outrageous rantings to each other.
I know those two miscreants will miss me, but (like d_a(sp)_c) I’m signing off until something worth discussing comes up.
Jimbo, I read where Sir Sid is starting to cry about the new recruits not being able to get into school. Usually this means that he has been feed something from the football department and is trying to get the public outcry to let the players in. I suspect that Brewster did not help himself out when HH flunked out and the admissions department is taking a little closer look at the freshman class. It will be interesting to see just who does not make it into school this fall.
Nice to see after 3 weeks of vacation, Loon and Wren are still clueless.
“Jimbo, I read where Sir Sid is starting to cry about the new recruits not being able to get into school.” Sid appears to have gotten some bad information. Looks like everyone, except for maybe McGee, is in school.
Does this mean they have cleared the clearing house? If so then who does not get to stay. Remember Poke only 25 can make it into school. We over signed by 3. Your information must be off.
All I know is that students have found all the names but two (as of Saturday) on the enrollment list (enrolled as in registered for classes). Yesterday, the athletic dept. issued a press release about the new players on campus and quoted Simoni Lawrence as he was moving into Centennial Hall (he was one of the missing two). The total count of the class was 30 (not including transfers). 29 appear to be on campus and at least 28 appear to be taking classes. In any event, there does not appear to be admission issues.
Bud if you want to figure out what is wrong, here is the link I was looking at:
http://thehole84398.yuku.com/topic/4422/t/UPDATE-Only-TWO-Players-Left-to-Enroll.html
I do not care if there are athletes in or not. I do know that the Gophers over signed by 3. I am just interested in the three that will not be allowed in. I do know that when a student enrolls and attends the first day of class they are considered part of the class. We can not have 31 players in this class. Maybe some of them have not cleared the clearing house and have decided to enroll and pay their own way? I do not know and you are correct about Sir Sid. He must have jumped off the cliff a little early.
Poke, the link that you have provided is from the Gopherhole. Not much credibility there.
And Sid is better?
Anyone know any more about Maresh’s condition? I ask because I know people have compared it with Hoiberg’s condition. I remember when FH was going through the whole thing, he said that he was in close contact with Ronny Turiaf, and that Turiaf’s condition was very similar to his. I know FH never played again, but he was fairly close to retirement anyway (if I remember); Turiaf, on the other hand, seems to have fully recovered and is enjoying a productive NBA career. Anyways, I’m not a doctor and know absolutely nothing about this stuff…any news, or just knowledge?
Hoiberg needed a pacemaker which ended his career. It is very possible Sam could come back and play although it sounds like he would likely be out two years. The choices the Mareshes are making are not precluding Sam from playing. It sounds like it just depends on how the surgery and recovery go.
The problem with Holberg is that his heart beats were irregular. I think the surgery went well but the heart had problems beating properly. I had a heart surgery to repair my heart and had no problems with irregular heart beats. So I’m able to do whatever I want. If Maresh’s heart continues to beat properly after surgery, I garantuee you he’ll be back playing football sometime in the fututre.
Bud- I am under the assumption that Maresh will be one of the three not on a football schollie. With this terrible news, Sam will probably have his schollie switched to an academic schollie where he won’t count against the 85 limit.
Most of the incoming players are here already. I’m pretty sure one of the other two is a DT, but I don’t want to say the kids name just in case I am incorrect.
Also Bud, since you’ve been discussing the transfers that have occured, there will be one in the coming weeks that will have you talking.
Bud says:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Does this mean they have cleared the clearing house? If so then who does not get to stay. Remember Poke only 25 can make it into school. We over signed by 3. Your information must be off.
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Actually its 28 of the 31 with 3 going back to last year. But I get your point.
The transfer officially announced today (and rumored for a while) was Clint Brewster.
poke…shhhh
We don’t need loon and wren coming in here and making a huge stink about how Little timmy’s son doesn;t even want to stay and play for him now..the rants are leaving the sinking ship, etc.
They will of course conveniently forget to mention that brewster is leaving because of the outstanding athletes his father recruited to basicially take his spot in the depth chart this past winter…but again, somehow the two of them will turn this into a way of blaming brewster for something….
GG5, I think that little Brew was a 4 star out of high school. Does your comment refer to the fact that T. Brew is not as good as the 4 star coming in (MG) or is the star system just a little screwed up because Weber was only a 3 star? Derek, I do not believe that the U can put Maresh on a medical because he could never play again at the U. He could be asked to sit out the fall and then go on scholarship in Jan. He would then count towards the 2009 class. We are way down in scholarships now with Brew, Hudson & Love gone. To many to keep track of anymore.
These recruiting stars mean nothing and next to nothing. It is the ability of a young man to get into the school, stay out of trouble, stay in school and do the work, be committed to the weight room and be a real college football player that matters.
Just another in a longer BY THE WEEK list of Brewster recruits who are not real students, citizens or players.
Here’s the thing. If Clint would have gone to Illinois like he originally planned on, he wouldn’t be playing there either. Not with Juice fully ingrained as the starter.
So what is your point Gopher1? When did the game of college football change from arriving on campus and working hard for a starting position and becoming a starter for two years, to if I do not start after year one I am going to transfer? I did not think that T. Brewster was a Div.I player. He is doing the correct thing in finding a level at which he can play. I am happy for him. If we keep losing scholarship players from the program we will never be able to catch back up. You can not win in the Big Ten when over half of your roster is players in their first or secound year of college. 26 in 2007, 28 in 2008 and we will have close to 25 in 2009. That is 79 players in three years and some of them have already departed.
Bud, that is my point. I do not understand why he is not staying to compete and work to become the starter. He would have been in the exact same situation at Illinois if he would have gone there as originally planned.
“GG5, I think that little Brew was a 4 star out of high school.”
Actually, he was a three star (rivals.com).
You are correct poke C. Brewster was a 3 star. With all the fan far of him decommitting from Ill. you would have thought he was a 6 star. Of the 24 players signed in 2007 9 have already left the team. Of the 7 that Coach Brewster added to the already committed players in the 2007 class 4 have left the team. C. Brewster, H.H., C. Thomas and T. Herndon are gone. Spry, White and Theret remain. Of the 6 JC’s from the 2007 class only UU and Small are still on the team. I hope our retention rate is better with the knew batch of JC’s. Gopher1 I guess we are on the same page.
One fact emerges above the others, the “competition” between Weber and Brewster was never more than a fan competition. Contrary to the always wrong d-a-c’s opinion, Brewster was never in the same league as Weber. Had he been even close he would have felt he had a chance and would have stayed.
Bud, I count 8 out of 24 gone:
Clint Brewster
Marc Cheatham
Serge Elizee
Tray Herndon
Harold Howell
Durrell Clark-James
Shane Potter
Curtis Thomas
Who am I missing? BTW, how long were Elizee and Clark-James here?
In the class the fall of 66, 96 freshman came in and 13 finished 4 yrs. All of whom graduated in at least 5 yrs.It happens you do not keep all of those you bring in. In 65, 106 came in and 17 finished.
Loonatic … You are a lying moron. Show me a single post where I ever said Brewster was better than, as good as, or even “in the same league” as Weber.
Can you ever post anything here without a stupid lie? Do you lie to your family every day too? Pathetic garbage.
OOOOOOOOOwwweee, dac is feeling a tad defensive again today??!!
Who was that guy dac who wanted to replace the guy who was losing the games for our poor Brewster coach? And who should we replace that dastardly demon with?
The d-a-c ster!!
Loon, I think DAC said on a few occasions that given Weber’s inaccuracy, he’d have thrown Mortenson in and given him a chance. I don’t recall him ever saying that either Mortenson or C.Brewster were better than Weber (how could anyone know whether they are or not?).
And as for replacing people, you’re the guy who, in one of the strangest posts I have ever read, said you’d take the AD job if it was offered to you. How’s that working out for you anyways, still waiting by the phone?
New commit for the Gophs: Nick Rengel from Sartell (6′3″ 225 LB/WR/TE).
Foolishly, the Regents have not yet instructed the President to name me (or anyone else) to take over from the Rangerette when his contract expires. I am not holding my breath.
I certainly do not think, nor do I want, the U to replace Maturi, Dunbar, etc should be bought out with valuable money. Just let their contracts run out and let them return to whence they came. However, for recruiting reasons, it will be necessary to buy out Brewster in 2010. Perhaps we will find that Roof would make a good replacement. Who knows?
Turbo: you say…”I don’t recall him ever saying that either Mortenson or C.Brewster were better than Weber (how could anyone know whether they are or not?)…”
Certainly, the gm/recruiter is no judge of talent or ability in game day situations…is that what you are implying? d_ac_appears to believe that the gm/recruiter brewster was incapable of either knowing, deciding or pulling the trigger on a move at the qb position during the 2007 0-8 Big Ten campaign. Of course, d_a_c says so many outlandish things, perhaps in part due to his self-inflicted hole in his head…
Keeping Weber at qb was the one sound thing that the gm/recruiter accomp0lished during the 2007 football season.
By the way: good luck to young Mr. Brewster in his transfer!
Poke, Justin Chatman does not show up on anything that I can find since the spring game. Maybe you can find him where you are looking. Elizee and DC James played through spring ball last year.
Bud, as of today, Chatman is still on the roster at gophersports.com (for reference, Clint Brewster is not although Hudson is).
Littlebigboy, the game has changed a great deal since 1965. That is almost the most idiotic comment I have seen on the board sense posting here. Do you even know how much the game has changed in recruiting since 1965? The Universities had unlimited scholarships and they did not have to post their grad. rates and the athletes could take unlimited visits and the signing period had no beginning or end. Your comparision is utterly ridiculous.
Hudson is gone and we know that. Chatman does not shopw up on any 2 deeps, post spring. You would think that given the secoundary problems that we have any player that has been on the team for one year would show up, especially one on scholarship!
Bud says:
June 17th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
We are way down in scholarships now with Brew, Hudson & Love gone. To many to keep track of anymore.
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Yeah, we’re in the same boat we were with Mason as far as attrition. While I didn’t expect a major role with any of these players, we certainly are losing depth here and it should be at least a mild concern.
Bud says:
June 17th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I hope our retention rate is better with the knew batch of JC’s.
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It certainly needs to be. We also need to get in on more quality Juco’s (Brock)or not bother bringing them in.
Bud says:
June 18th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Poke, Justin Chatman does not show up on anything that I can find since the spring game. Maybe you can find him where you are looking. Elizee and DC James played through spring ball last year.
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James was kicked off of the team before spring ball was even finished.
Anyone here about the news out of Pig City? Seems 4 Iowa players are in deep trouble over a Dom Jones situation. The difference is the Pigeons are already trying to sweep this under the rug. I know Ced Everson is one of the guys named.
I guess this is the reason recruiting is absent from the board. LMAOR.
Derek, I would challenge you to go back through the previous staffs years and find over 40 scholarship players gone out of the program over a 16 month period. With the graduation of 17 Sr. we have lost many players from this team. No matter how you want to spin it, it does not look good that the head coaches son is leaving the program. It reflects poorly in two areas. One our head coach does not know how to evaluate talent and the players (even his own son) are not having a good time while playing football at the U. It should be more than mildly concerning to you Derek.
Bud says:
June 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Derek, I would challenge you to go back through the previous staffs years and find over 40 scholarship players gone out of the program over a 16 month period. With the graduation of 17 Sr. we have lost many players from this team. No matter how you want to spin it, it does not look good that the head coaches son is leaving the program. It reflects poorly in two areas. One our head coach does not know how to evaluate talent and the players (even his own son) are not having a good time while playing football at the U. It should be more than mildly concerning to you Derek.
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We are losing players who can’t crack the starting line up and are worried about being passed up by new recruits. Is it concerning? Yes, but let’s not go overboard on guys who are not going to see the field unless there are a rash of injuries. This was a concern under Mason and a concern under Brewster.
Can you list the 40 players that have left since Brewster took over? I can look back to Mason and Wackers attrition, but this is a loaded =challenge considering the lack of info pre net.
We are very lucky to have the first five games that we have. I can not recall a Gopher football team that has lost so many players. Nor can I recall so many fans saying that the starters will be guys who have not played a single Big Ten play. But, most concerning of all, is this idea the back ups will be MOSTLY 18 year olds.
I hope for a miracle on the injury front and a rapid end to this “all the bad players are leaving”, day to day, death rate.
I’ve said it many times, it will be hard for anyone to beat out Weber. We forget last year he was a freshmen, and people wanted him to play like he was a senior. This kid will put up huge numbers this year.
I guarantee you Gray will be reshirted this year. Gray is the quarterback of the future but no way will he challange Weber in 2008.
Pittman might be the only guy to challange Weber this year, but I haven’t seen him play so I don’t know.
I totally agree that we played Weber every game last year. You had nothihng to gain by playing a upperclassmen quarterback. I think this year is the same situation. I do not want them to play Mort or Pitt unless Adam is injured or unless Adam can’t complete a pass. I think Adam is going to put up HUGE numbers this year.
Derek, DAC continued to ask for and I finally gave in and gave him the names of the 16 scholarship players that had left the team prior to the 2007 season. We had 17 seniors. That makes 33. Do the math with the players that have left the team since the end of the 2007 season. We are past 40 and moving higher. Your explanation for the players leaving is convenient and handy for all the defenders of Brewster but just maybe one or two of these players that have left the program could have been good enough to help us win. Do you think?
So Gold04, are you saying that Weber will be the starter in 08 as a soph. and then in 09 as a Jr. Gray will beat him out so we go back to having a rookie QB? Or are you saying that Weber will be the starter in 08,09, and 2010 and Gray will come in as a JR. and be the starting QB? Given the way these players feel about themselves these days, it would be a stretch to say that the great Mr. Gray would wait around that long to play at the U. If we end up with Gray as the starter in 09 you can kiss that season good-by also.
Bud,
I don’t know if Gray will be able to beat out Weber, but I gaurantee you he won’t be able to do it this year.
I think even in 09 and 10 it’s going to be hard for anyone to beat him out. If Gray can’t beat Weber out in 09, and 10 it’s not my problem if he decides to stay or go. I know this, if Weber stays healthy our quarterback position will be very good these next three years. So NO worries Bud.
Bud says:
June 19th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Derek, DAC continued to ask for and I finally gave in and gave him the names of the 16 scholarship players that had left the team prior to the 2007 season. We had 17 seniors. That makes 33. Do the math with the players that have left the team since the end of the 2007 season. We are past 40 and moving higher. Your explanation for the players leaving is convenient and handy for all the defenders of Brewster but just maybe one or two of these players that have left the program could have been good enough to help us win. Do you think?
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It isn’t convenient or handy, it’s the truth. Also, why would I be defending Brewster on this since I was the one to bring it up? Use your cranium Bud.
Gold04 says:
June 19th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Bud,
I don’t know if Gray will be able to beat out Weber, but I gaurantee you he won’t be able to do it this year.
I think even in 09 and 10 it’s going to be hard for anyone to beat him out. If Gray can’t beat Weber out in 09, and 10 it’s not my problem if he decides to stay or go. I know this, if Weber stays healthy our quarterback position will be very good these next three years. So NO worries Bud.
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Weber will start for 4 years. Gray will back him up his soph year and take over the reigns his junior season. Gray is a great talent, but he needs to be redshirted and to develop. He didn’t play half of his senior year in high school. What I’ve seen of Gray has me excited though.
dunbar had better do something to keep Weber healthy this season. He is poised to have a big year, but, dunbar needs to get a running attack going OTHER than Weber’s runs. If Weber doesn’t stay healthy dunbar is sunk.
It is hilarious to have a little moron who could not coach a kid to ride a bike tell respected football coaches what they MUST DO!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
The main thing Dunbar, Brewster, all the coaches, and every player wearing maroon and gold must worry about is whether grownup third graders like Whine Renbawls, the racist Loonatic, and Bud actually represent our fan base.
If most of our fans put their own petty desires above the team and program, then we would be in trouble.
Personally, I don’t believe these little babies who work night and day to undermine the program by stabbing the coaches and players in the back are representative of real Gopher fans.
These clowns are not Gopher fans.
Look at the record these coaches have established at the U of M? 0-8 in the big Ten and 1-11 overall. IF that doesn’t make any individual with a brain a little worried, that peoson really doesn’t care about what happens to the University of Minnesota football program.
macturi should be criticized for placing the football program in such a terrible position.
Weber might make the 2008 season interesting IF dunbar and the other people who are responsible for the 1-11 overall record of this coaching staff and the 0-8 Big Ten record of this gm/recruiter and his coordinators find a way to support his many talents and his heart and gutsy play. dunbar needs to establish a rushing attack that is in addition to what Weber can do running the ball. dunbar will not dink and dunk his way anywhere in the Big Ten Conference. It is show time for dunbar. In 2008 he will either do it or he will not do it. It’s c t j time for dunbar and his offense. The only thing that matters…the only thing that counts is the number of Big Ten wins dunbar gets. That will tell the tale on this dunbar story. Show the people something this year dunbar…of pack your bags…
Who are Gopher fans? People like d_a_c? He calls people names, but, that’s about all he does. He sounds like a name-calling fool with a hole in his head…in fact, a self-inflicted hole in his head. That is what d_a_c is. Just read his every post. He says nothing. He just calls others names. He also has a self-inflicted hole in his head.
Who is a Gopher fan? It certainly isn’t someone who doesn’t have the courage to straight out say that brewster had better get off his duff and start winning some Big Ten Football Games…in fact a LOT of Big Ten Games in 2008. A Gopher fan has to have the guts to tell macturi to kick his football coaches in the tail and various other parts of their anatomy and get them winning Big Ten Football Games NOW!
A fan doesn’t sit back and drink the cool aid and hope that by accident things will turn out ok. A fan says that it is all about and only about winning Big Ten Football Games…and graduating ever incresaing numbers of football players…and running a clean, honest program. Student athletes, Big Ten wins and a clean nose…that’s the ticket!
thewrenagain says:
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Who are Gopher fans? People like d_a_c? He calls people names, but, that’s about all he does. He sounds like a name-calling fool with a hole in his head…in fact, a self-inflicted hole in his head. That is what d_a_c is. Just read his every post. He says nothing. He just calls others names. He also has a self-inflicted hole in his head.
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Pot meet Kettle.
Derek: brewster needs a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008. We Gopher fans want and demand a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008. It is up to brewster to make that happen NOW. macturi needs to feel the heat if there are not a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008.
Or, do you like the Gophers to lose a LOT of Big Ten games again in 2008? It won’t happen if you don’t demand it derek…
brewster will either get a lot of Big Ten wins in 2008, or he will not. There is no “in between…” One or two Big Ten wins would not be a LOT of Big Ten wins. He will either do it or he won,t. macturi will have no where to run and no where to hide if the Big Ten wins are not there. If there are not a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008, it is even more obvious that macturi did a terrible job in hiring a head coach. It’s all about wins, graduating an ever increasing number of players and running a completely honest and clean program. Any less than that and macturi totally failed in his selection of a replacement for the former coach who he fired and bought out at a GREAT expense in terms of money and cerdibility.
Wren worships a man who could not win a single conference championship in 20 years as a head coach.
Mason was a failure who was bought out at an incredible premium by the hapless macturi after macturi extended him 5 years. I am here not to praise Mason but to bury macturi in his own failures. The 1-11 overall record and 0-8 Big Ten record of brewster in 2007 pays tribute to the shipwreck that macturi has created in the Football Program. 0-8 in the big Ten says it all. macturi is hell-bent on destroying Golden Gopher Football. He needs to go following the 2009 season. Don’t buy him out…just let him fade away as a lame duck. Bring in an AD who is a football guy. macturi must go!
And jeff: so you loved that 2007 season that brewster led the program to?????????? Personally, it was the most painful season I have seen since the last Smokey Joe campaign. And I’ve seen them all.
And jeff: so you loved that 2007 season that brewster led the program to??????????
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Yep, exactly what I said. Well done.
It fits the sacred plan of the Prophet Zook so well. We can look forward to one or two wins this year. The year after we go to the Rose Bowl and get blown out.
Or, we just keep losing. I’m such a realist I just don’t really think you get better by losing a lot of games. Darn, I forget again, how easy it is when you just ‘Recruit like Zook!’.
“The year after we go to the Rose Bowl and get blown out.”
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Only in Loon and Wren’s world would a trip to the Rose Bowl be a bad thing.
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I’m such a realist I just don’t really think you get better by losing a lot of games.
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Worked for Alvarez in year one. Greg Schiano lost his first 17 conference games and is now the likely successor at Penn State. Ferentz lost a lot of games in year one and then had three straight top 10 national finishes.
Ok jeff: have macturi and brewwster “put up” or you can eat your Alvarez and Ferentz talk. Only a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008 will do. After all, macturi and brewster were 0-8 in the Big Ten in 2007. I, for one am getting pretty darn tired of the Big Ten losses. Enough is enough. 0-8 won’t cut it. 1-15 should have those two run out of town just ahead of the tar and feather guys. 2-14 would be an absolute disgrace. 3-13 at the end of year #2 would be nothing to write home about. 4-12 should get most coaches fired. Do you realize that it would take a 4-4 big Ten record in 2008 just to get to that 4-12 mark? I expect a lot more than you obviously do jeff. Why don’t you like to win Big Ten games? What program are you a fan of? I root for the Gophers! I want a LOT of Big Ten wins now!
Loon,
Why don’t you explain what “Recruit like Zook” means to us? Oh wait, you cannot. Just like your baseless claim that Brewster’s cheating. As they say in Texas, you’re all hat and no cattle.
Who was the first person Brewster hired?
“I, for one am getting pretty darn tired of the Big Ten losses. ”
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Typing the same sentence day after day after day may have something to do with it. Think of the novels you could’ve banged out this offseason.
–I expect a lot more than you obviously do jeff. Why don’t you like to win Big Ten games? What program are you a fan of? I root for the Gophers! I want a LOT of Big Ten wins now!–
Who are you to demand anything? What era have we ever had a lot of Big Ten wins? Ever since I started following the team in 1982 (I was 12), we’ve never had a lot of Big Ten wins.
I don’t know Loon, who was Brewster’s first hire?
The one thing we have to remember is this football program is the most disadvantaged program in the HISTORY of college football. I heard that from Wren when Mase was coaching here.
We are dead last in finacial support in the Big Ten and our administration is the worst ever. If Brewster wins any games it’s a miracle with the support he’s getting.
I still think the solution might be shutting the whole cotton picken thing down. Halt the construction of the staduim or give it to the Johnnies. They have won some national championships in recent history. Give the practice facilty to the the Men’s Lacrosse team which is coming soon. Donate the Football ball equipment to a worthy cause and donate our trophies to a Museum.
Shutting things down might be the solution. We’ve had a half century of misery.
Ok jeff: have macturi and brewwster “put up” or you can eat your Alvarez and Ferentz talk.
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Wren, that’s kinda the whole point ….giving them the opportunity to “put up” and looking at my calendar, it’s June.
I’m sure glad I didn’t judge Glen Mason off his first season…that 17-3 loss at Hawaii wasn’t real pretty. But guess what Wren…Mase’s team showed improvement in year two. Then guess what Wren…Mase’s team showed more improvement in 1999.
He was given an opportunity to “put up” and he did. Brewster may do the same or he may fall flat on his face. I have no idea which it will be and I sure know the answer won’t be found on this website in the middle of June.
Looking forward to the season getting started in two months….why? Because Captain Obvious says Brewster needs to win games. Thank God someone had the courage to say it.
Derek says:
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
thewrenagain says:
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Who are Gopher fans? People like d_a_c? He calls people names, but, that’s about all he does. He sounds like a name-calling fool with a hole in his head…in fact, a self-inflicted hole in his head. That is what d_a_c is. Just read his every post. He says nothing. He just calls others names. He also has a self-inflicted hole in his head.
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Pot meet Kettle.
thewrenagain says:
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Derek: brewster needs a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008. We Gopher fans want and demand a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008. It is up to brewster to make that happen NOW. macturi needs to feel the heat if there are not a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008.
Or, do you like the Gophers to lose a LOT of Big Ten games again in 2008? It won’t happen if you don’t demand it derek…
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SPIN CYCLE
Jeff says:
June 24th, 2008 at 9:00 am
“I, for one am getting pretty darn tired of the Big Ten losses. ”
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Typing the same sentence day after day after day may have something to do with it. Think of the novels you could’ve banged out this offseason.
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LMAOR. Well played!
The bag man for the Prophet himself.
Why derek: you may be a big “lmaor” type, but how much did you “lyaor” after each and every one ofthose 11 losses over all and 8 Big Ten losses that brewster didn’t show up for in 2007? Personally, each and every one of those no-show brewster led losses was a pain in the butt as far as I was concerned.
The whole point in having a football program in the Big Ten is to win Big Ten Football games, graduate ever increasing numbers of student-athlete football players and to run a completely honest and clean and above board football program. There is really no other reason to have a Big Ten Football Program. The more Big Ten wins the better!
And, derek, it doesn’t seem to me that you are “lyaor” because you you can’t disconnect your a from your neck…
I want a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008! “lyaor” about that! If you do, does it mean that you don’t believe brewster is capable of a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008…or ever? Based upon what we saw from brewster in 2007, I certainly have a LOT of questions about mcaturi’s surprise….
“Glen Mason was never given a fair opportunity to win at Minnesota. Heck, he didn’t even get a chance to rebuild after ten years. This is my sincere conviction.” Whine Renbawlbaby.
“Tim Brewster has had more than enough time to win at Minnesota. This is my sincere conviction.” Whine Renbawlbaby.
“These are my sincere convictions and guiding principles. If you don’t like them, I’ve got others.” Whine Renbawlbaby.
Freaking Mason got fired for not winning at Minnesota you freaking d_a_c p-er and moaner. Got that? He got fired you poor, pathetic dude or dudette with the self-inflicted hole in your head.
brewster did NOT look like a Big Ten coach in any way, shape or form in 2007. Every Big Ten coach he faced waxed his butt big time. He really didn’t even show up for the games.
macturi appears to have messed up big time with his hire of brewster after his fire and expensive buy out of Mason.
Maosn didn’t win enough Big Ten football games. He was fired and bought out for millions and millions of dollars. brewster is 0-8 in the Big Ten. That guy had better start winning Big Ten games in Big numbers in 2008…macturi is stuck with his surprise brewster so macturi had better llight a fire under brewster to start winning a LOT of Big Ten football games. macturi has got to go…
At Minnesota there is nothing “fari” about the way the football program is run. Minnesota for the past fifty to sixty years has been on the “fire the darn coach…” plan. Then hire a new one and every three to five years replace the latest coach who couldn’t win at Minnesota. It has worked well for the administrations over the decades. They offer a new sacrificial coach up to what is left of the fan base every few years. It started when they ran Bioerman out on his ear. Muray confounded them and lasted 17 seassons or so. Then, they ran through coaches as fast as any other school using the “fire your way to get by…” method.
Mason confounded them again and lasted 9 seasons. Then, in their MOST EXPENSIVE buy out EVER, within the course of 12 months they extended his contract for five full seasons and then bought his contract out for millions and millions of dollars. The acting ad, macturi went to new depths when hiring the replacement. In the modern and semi-modern eras never before had any administrator at the University of Minnesota hired such a “no name, no experience” used-car salesman-type to run their Big Ten Football Program. And brewster promptly lived up to his no-name, no experience, all show and no go game day Saturday routine. The other coaches in the Big Ten were pleased to see him coming, in no small way.
And macturi’s big surprise finished the 2007 season by being a real rookie to all the Big Ten Coaches he faced that year. 0-8. Now that is just as rocky and just as inexperienced as can be.
brewster really does need to step up to the plate, show up on Game Day Saturdays and win a LOT of Big Ten Football Games in 2008.
thewrenagain says:
June 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Why derek: you may be a big “lmaor” type, but how much did you “lyaor” after each and every one ofthose 11 losses over all and 8 Big Ten losses that brewster didn’t show up for in 2007? Personally, each and every one of those no-show brewster led losses was a pain in the butt as far as I was concerned.
The whole point in having a football program in the Big Ten is to win Big Ten Football games, graduate ever increasing numbers of student-athlete football players and to run a completely honest and clean and above board football program. There is really no other reason to have a Big Ten Football Program. The more Big Ten wins the better!
And, derek, it doesn’t seem to me that you are “lyaor” because you you can’t disconnect your a from your neck…
I want a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008! “lyaor” about that! If you do, does it mean that you don’t believe brewster is capable of a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2008…or ever? Based upon what we saw from brewster in 2007, I certainly have a LOT of questions about mcaturi’s surprise….
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This babble again confirms my post of POT MEET KETTLE. Whine and cry about DAC calling you names yet you do the same. LMAOR.
This also confirms my SPIN CYCLE response as Wayne can’t answer a post, he solely turns it into a 1-11 rip Brewster post. LMAOR.
Wren,
You always said Brewster needs to win a lot of Big Ten games in 2008 to keep his job. How many Big Ten wins does he need?
Predictions
Loon and Wren will…..
1. be a big supporter of Dunbar when
it’s all said and done.
2. have tears of sorrow when Maturi
eventually retires or leaves.
3. put posters up of Brewster in
their house.
4. also start a website calling for
people’s undying support of
Brewster.
No two people can read the same book or movie because each person brings themself to the task. I have come to realise that what I want out of Gopher football is different than what many other fans want. From my point of view I find it amazing that some fans want, more than anything else, to “not be disappointed”. For them, to lose close games is unbearable.
They look forward to this year because it has no risk. As they are now fully primed to lose a ton of games in the Big Ten season, they will be elated if we win any. Many Gopher internet fans have already set five total wins as their goal. ONE Big Ten win is their goal?! How safe, how brave. Last place in the Big Ten for the second year in a row will be good, safe, emotionally encouraging.
Compared to what?
The worst season in the very long history of our program.
But 2008 will be safe for them. Nothing ventured, nothing lost no matter what.
