Meyer resigns
Posted on November 24th, 2008 – 10:47 AMBy Kent Youngblood
Well, it didn’t take long for things to start changing over at the Gophers football complex.
Coach Tim Brewster announced that offensive line coach Phil Meyer had resigned his position to pursue other professional interests.
”I’d like to thank coach Meyer for his hard work and contribution to this program,” Brewster said. ”Phil has been a long-time friend and I sish him and his family all the best in the future.”
There is no question that offensive line play has been an issue all season, due mainly to the youth of the players and a number of injuries that hit various players. After Saturday’s regular-season finale — a 55-0 thrashing at the hands of Iowa — Brewster talked about the need to become bigger, stronger and more physical along both lines.
Brewster said a national search for a new offensive line coach is already underway. I would think one would be in place in time for bowl preparation.
I’ll update you as we go along. Thanks.
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I played o-line in high school. I’ll take the job.
Not a huge surprise. The O-line took a big step backward (often before the snap was made…)
Dave–That was good.
Overall- sounds like Brewster hired him as a friend, but with the play of the line and potentially the need for a better recruiter at the position, the move was made. I agree no suprise.
Wynn, Orton and Davis can expect the weight coach, Brewster and his assistants to be in their face everyday during the off season weight training.
Meyer is the “Fall Guy” for Dunbar who may survice another year.
I have posted this B4. Brewsters logo is tough, hard nosed football which the D was able to demonstrate at times this Fall. Yet he has chosen the “Flavor of the Day Offense” which is merely a version of playground flag football. Deep down I would expect that Brewster would like to run an O similar to Wisky, Iowa and pre-RR Michigan.
Dave
Rand called, it’s time for lunch!
Bayfield–I think Brewster has said that flatout a couple times, especially before last year started. I am just making a guess that 3/4’s of the ranked teams are running a version of the spread.
The spread is certainly working for TX, TX Tech, Oklahoma, Florida, and Penn State.
Does anybody know what Alabama is running? I’m not sure what their offense is but except for USC everyone else in the top 10 runs the spread or at least incorporates aspects of it (Ohio State).
I would love to see more of the OSU offense. More under center snaps. I still think just a better offensive line, backs and receivers will help.
Wrong resignation…Brewster needs to go for the sake of the U and the state of MN!
I am a fan of the spread just not Dunbar’s spread (100% of snaps in shotgun formation). Plus Dunbar’s version of the spread calls for about 95% of the passes to be within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Hard to run when you aren’t stretching the field (also hard to run when your O-line isn’t very good). Watch other teams D, they put about 9 guys within 5 yards of the line because our whole offense is run in that area.
OK Kent, here is from dac yesterday:
“ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s see … one day Mason built the stadium and the next day an illiterate foreigner in the country illegally did it. Which?”
Are you going to protect your site as you said you would or are you going to let the name calling take off again? Dac is incapable of disagree with anyone without name calling.
Junior- Who would you like to see as coach? Brewster took a 6-7 team that lost it’s QB and RB, put in a new offense and blew it up. They went 1-11 last year and this year they started building the program back up. The defense made a huge jump leading the nation in turnover margin at one point. Offense looked improved, but lost steam as the year went on. Even without PSU and MSU on the schedule, I thought this team was a 4-5 win team. I just understand that you can’t turn it around that quick with that many young players. Relax and give it some time.
I am very sorry to hear that Meyer has been told to fall on his sword. I would take this as a sign that Dunbar gets to stay for one more year.
This is a career ending gamble that Brewster is taking. If the O stinks up the new digs next year, it will not be Dunbar who falls.
2 words for his replacement…….. GORDY SHAW
Sounds like the time is finally here to return Gordie Shaw to the position he should have never lost. He coached fantastic O lines under Mason and was a man and gentleman for how he handled thigns for Maturi in the post-Mason time frame.
That’s the spirit BigGuy, let’s just keep pushing that “give it some time” horizon off into foreverland. What part of 55-0 did you not understand? You wanted Mason fired for losing to TT in overtime without Banks and Spaeth after the team won their last three Big Ten games. Now, these last four games have convinced you that Brewster needs to continue this trend until all Mason players are gone.
If after that 55-0 violation you do not see the trend, you are in serious denial.
Loon- This is not the NFL. There isn’t free agency. Brewster will be here at least three more years.
The Gophers should look across the border to SDSU coach Gordie Shaw, the one coach they should have kept fromteh Mason staff. Although I doubt he would come back now.
Loon- I wanted Mason Fired two years before TT. I was never a Mason guy. He got 10 years and more than he should have. I’m embarraced by 55-0, I will support this coach until recruiting falls off.
Interesting
Shaw, who is offensive coordinator at the University of South Dakota, told the other paper in town today he hadn’t been contacted yet about the position, but would be interested on returning.
“That will be my school forever, wherever I’m coaching,” said Shaw, whose wife and two youngest daughters live in Minnesota. “That would be a no brainer in that aspect.”
Which means he was asked to leave.
He did not “resign” he was asked to leave.
Football definitions; “pursue other professional interests” Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Everyone loves a fall guy.
Players good, coaches not so good.
Remember that quote 4 1/2 weeks ago on the startribune boards? (Nostradomes was the most positive of posters up to the 7-1 point and was pushed off the wagon before the 0-4 slide)
Dunbar had a good scheme early, but no adjustments and new additions to end the season. Did not develop all players. Brewster should have seen this and had him change some things. The other coaching positions that need to be improved upon because they didn’t develop their rostered players are RB coach Thomas Hammock (bad news), TE Coach Derek Lewis, WR Coach George McDonald, and possibly CB coach Ronnie Lee. Ultimately, the three main coaches are responsible for direction of these other coaches and should also be held accountable for being outcoached severely by the coaches in the last four games.
Coaching, not players, was the problem. Their are some great coaches out their who recognize how to get the most out of their rosters and some who can’t. When it came crunch time, U of MN needed more creativity and innate senses to put together the best player chemistry on the field, they failed.
Loon has actually come out hard against the Texas Tech coach as well:
giving up 60 points to the Okies.
Can that miserable coach, too.
One game is always the basis for a change. For a conclusion. For destiny.
And Joe Tiller, now that he just scored 60 points, well what’s that deal? Why wasnt he doing that all year?
It is such a wacky game to some……
Meanwhile, Maturi put it well in today’s paper:
“last year we lost to everyone,
this year we beat all the teams not going to bowls, except MI, and lost to all bowl bound teams.”
Next year, hopefully we can beat some of those bowl bound teams.
That Maturi is one radical, right?
Such thoughts!!!!
we should have known he was no good once he hired Tubby……
0-8, 1-11 First Year;
3-5, 7-5 Second Year;
Highlights? Worst season ever, First Yr.
Second biggest loss in 125years, Second Yr.
Sorry Brew. That is not good, you need some help from smart asst. coaches and you need to develop all players from day one, so you finish strong and are not affected by injuries and are delighted by what the competition between players will do to keep them all working hard and focused. There are jewels to be found in the mud! You didn’t do that.
If there’s a coach who can fix the offensive line problems, it would be Gordy Shaw. Although Mason never ran the spread, Shaw always did more with less and would definitely find a way to make these guys play as a unit.
Nostadomes
Help me out here. What numbers did those muddy jewels have?
#20 Jay Thomas? Many wondered why he didn’t get a chance at RB and most assumed it was to protect his knees.
#17? #19? I don’t think so.
#34, #85, #79, #42, #33, #6, #90???
What’s Mike Tice doing these days??
Shaw may be the answer, but I’ll leave that the professionals in the positions to make that call. Here are the top teams and where the gophers fit in. Average O-line.
Alabama- 6′4 1/2″ and 306.5 lbs.
Ohio State- 6′ 5 1/2″ and 310.4 lbs.
Penn State- 6′ 3″ and 301.4 lbs.
Oklahoma- 6′5″ and 309 lbs.
Texas- 6′5 1/2″ and 310 lbs.
Texas T- 6′5 1/2″ and 322 lbs.
USC- 6′5″ and 296
Florida- 6′5 1/2″ and 314.8 lbs.
MN- 6′2 1/2″ and 300 lbs.
and in athletic ability and wingspan and the Gophers have a ways to go.
I have no opinion on the Gopher FB situation, except wait till next year. (Been there, done that). I say Go Gopher Mens’ BB, LadyGophers’ BB, Gopher Men’s and Womens’ Hockey, Gopher Wrestling. Let’s move on, sports fans.
Memo to Coach Brewster:
Bring Mike Tice in when he and Jack are fired at Jacksonville after this year. The guy is a superb O-line coach who will be looking for a job. he wants to live in MN too.
Did Tice get his degree yet?
As is often the case in business, new management comes in &dumps everything that was being done before. What worked goes out the window with what didn’t work. All new, “establish your identity” mentality. Brewster did exactly that. Mason built some pretty impressive offensive units over the years, Gordy Shaw was a huge part of that. It wasn’t Shaw’s O line that gave up 30 some points to TT, or blew countless other games in the 4th qtr. Mason, in 9 of 10 years here, failed to field a D that could stop an average high school team. Brew has brought Div 1 defense back to MN.
Dumb move Brew made was firing Shaw. He had no highly recruited players, few that went pro, and they still mowed down D line after D line for ten years giving MN the running team rep they had up until now. In all of those ten years, 2 starting RBs on pro teams. That’s cause U of M O lines were so good, RBs looked better.
I would bet a beer at Huberts that the dumb*sses that say it is poor coaching were thesame ones who blamed the caoch for not playing in 5th grade pop warner. Get a clue their is a large talent gap between MN and the rest of the Big 10.
I didn’t write that last post, but I agree somewhat with it.
You are being generous BigGuy
The 5 starters against Iowa averaged 6-3.5 and 289#, inflated by Tavale’s 329#
A projected beffed-up line-up/roster after another 9 months at the training table and weight room could be:
Carufel JrTr:6-5, 310#
Orton SophRs: 6-4, 300#
Davis SophRs: 6-2, 295#
Wynn SophRs; 6-5, 300#
Burris JrRs, 6-2, 300#
Tavale SrRs, 6-2, 315# (put hime on weight watchers)
Tow-Arnett SrRs; 6-2, 290#
Meinke SrRs; 6-5, 290#
Alford JrRs; 6-3, 325#
Average; 302# and stronger
BigGuy, to add to what the future recruits in OL will be:
Josh Campion 6-5 265
Brooks Michel 6-7 280
Ed Olson 6-7 285
plus we are after Taylor Lewan at 6-7 and 272 lbs.
Just let them hit the weight room and bulk up, and we will have a formidable OL.
I would imagine there will be some strong candidates for the job. Similar to Roof last year, it is a way for a coach to really turn something around and make a name for himself.
Gordie Shaw will not be hired by this brewster. He burned to many bridges with this brewster last year.
BigGuy, I do not know where you are finding the Numbers on the lineman but could you look up Iowa’s o-line? They did not look as if they were that big.
What is it with Minnesota fans?
Bring back Tice.
Bring back Culpepper.
There are reasons to not bring back ex players and coaches. A lot of them suck. (see above)
Move on, and quit trying to convince people that previous players/coaches were better than they actually were. I remember a lot of really stupid plays, decisions, challenges by Tice. Don’t forget his stellar drafting. Can you imagine him scouting a O-line guy who has it all except size, strength, and quickness. That would be like drafting a receiver with questionable hands (ala Williamson) He’s a big dope, so please shut the hell up.
I do not think that size is the main indicator of a good o-lineman. I think how tall they are does make a difference but weight is not what makes a good o-lineman. It is strenght and understanding leverage. Our o-line plays in a two point stance the whole game. You must be a very good bender to start out up and then takeoff and get under the defenders pads. That much I do know.
Hopefully there will be a few more moves in the O coaching ranks like Dunbar and Hammock!!
Bud-
Iowa
T 6′6″ 301 SO
T 6′7″ 317 Jr
G 6′3″ 300 So
G 6′5″ 305 SR
C 6′3″ 287 SR
Ave 6′4 1/2″ 302 lbs. They do run a different scheme.
KTBH, I know not what you are talking about but while in the tailgate lot before games I have had the opportunity to meet many of the players parents and if I am not mistaken GS recruited Weber, Decker, WVD plus many of the young offensive lineman. He also recruited the Barbers because I have visited with them and I have meet Kenny Spaeth and he told me Matt was on his way to Neb. or Alabama if it were not for coach Shaw. I am not saying we should or should not look at him but it is not a good thing to mention stuff on a board unless you have some knowledge of the situation. Hearsay can be a very bad thing. Is that not correct DAC.
BigGuy thanks, I guess that helps to prove my point. They all have good height and the weight can be spread out over their bodies.
BigGuy thanks, I guess that helps to prove my point. They all have good height and the weight can be spread out over their bodies.
wrens, your e-mail just showed up on my computer. The last post was by Bud to BigGuy.
why are we delaying the inevitable? Everyone who knows football knows Brewster cannot coach. This is why he was never even made a coordinator before hayseed maturi got snowed by Brewsters gift to gab. You know Brewster will be gone by the end of next season. May as well can him now and start over.
KEVRL# Your entitled to your opionion, but the head coach does not need to be an x’s and o’x guy per se. Brewster was brought in to be a recruiter and manager. Now if he can’t get the right coaches in place, he will lose his job. I just think later rather than sooner.
Loon says,
“Dac is incapable of disagree with anyone without name calling.”
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Loon … have a tissue and buck up a little. Also, please identify who was named or name called in my post. Do you actually know a foreigner in this country illegally who built a stadium? I don’t.
So the Kool Aid drinkers are now set with their off season mantra:
“The Gophers ended their successful season with a bad game against Iowa. Shucks.”
PS I have not called for Brewster head, I have called for the end to the stupid spread as directed by Dunbar. He has lost his job whenever a strong head coach has not been on hand to direct him. On his own, he does not believe in tackle football. His brain set is soft and based on the ‘fooled you’ model.
Regarding Brewster, I greatly fear that I was correct about how our first season at TCF will be a bust and by the time we get to the Badgers at TCF it will be red again. That would be an epic set back in the history of the Gopher football program. A great opportunity urinated away.
Nostadomes … Please identify — by name, of course — each player Brewster did not develop properly on the current team.
It’s not often I agree with the comments submitted, but G. Shaw should have been retained and would be the best hire if willing to return. If no, M. Tice would be a good choice if willing to move to college football.
I will start supporting Punky when he brings back Gordie Shaw. Shaw didn’t burn any bridges… Brewster just wanted to starat all new. Nothing wrong with that, but evidently one of his guys couldn’t cut the mustard. Shaw is one great mustard cutter! There isn’t anybody with a better resume than Shaw. This should be a no-brainer. He knows half the team and he can help asap.
I think Shaw would be a good pick,, not so sure about Tice.
Having said that, there are lots of offensive line coaches out there who have not already spent time in Minnesota. Its not like we have to recycle someone who has been here,,,, again, with Shaw, he should have never been let go to begin with
actually, I would prefer Shaw to be head coach more than his bozo we now have
“Josh Campion 6-5 265
Brooks Michel 6-7 280
Ed Olson 6-7 285
plus we are after Taylor Lewan at 6-7 and 272 lbs.”
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The key is the height. These guys can all be 330 by their junior year.
Bud … Yes … both hearsay and heresy (or so they say).
Loon says,
“PS I have not called for Brewster head, I have called for the end to the stupid spread as directed by Dunbar… On his own, he does not believe in tackle football.”
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Well, Loon, if you look back on your history there is a reason he does not believe in tackle football.
Dumbar and Joe Tiller invented the spread offense as a weapon against the famous Wrencoast Spread Defense. That, you will recall, wrenthriceagain invented in 1883 when he was the defensive coordinator at Minnesota under Old Tom Peebles.
The Gophers were playing Hamline and Old Tom hollered at wrenthriceagain, “Hey … you’ve got two guys running down Oak Street looking for a sandwich, a guy in the outhouse, and three in the bleachers flirting with girls. You only have five defensive guys on the field. What kind of a defense do you call that?”
Wrenthriceagain hollered back, “It’s a spread out defense.” And thus, the spread defense was created and it was many decades later than football geniuses like Dunbar came up with a spread offense to fight back.
Kev … So it is, in your inestimable judgment, ‘inevitable’ a coach who goes from 1-11 to 7-5 must be fired?
What do you do for a living, friend? Are you for hire? I could use a man who earns seven times more for the company every year.
DAC, I can always count on you to correct my spelling. I should just put you in my machine here.
DAC, you are correct if it was a start up business. Brewster took over a company that is not back to where it was before he became CEO.
Evidentially there are alot of people out there that do not know GS. He has done some good things, but there are M men all over the country that send names to the U and GS always knew better. The new staff has listened and made alot of new contacts, they don’t think they know it all. Thats how you build a national recruiting network. If GS likes someone he is great otherwise a egotistical jerk!
Size does not an O-Line make. Take Bucky … 6′7″ 324, 6′6″ 332, 6′4″ 323, 6′6″ 315, and 6′7″ 328. This unit was weak and, at times brutally pathetic. It still takes coaching to emphasize technique and a decent amount of athletic ability.
Bud, Brewster took over a 6-7 team. Feel free to argue about schedule inadequacy but you can’t dispute that Brewster’s record this year is better than in Mason’s last year…therefore, as CEO he has taken it past where it was.
The thing is that Mason’s 6-7 was dominated by upper classmen and offensively this class is dominated by underclassmen. Defensively we are dominated by Juniors this year.
I remember this kid named Eslinger was pretty good and was only 6′3″ and 290. Size isn’t everything in a great lineman, but this Gophers unit could use some work anyways. Mason and co. did pretty well with undersized (not fat) lineman.
The biggest fallacy is that Brewster went from 1-11 to 7-5. Within his own term he did.
But where were the Gophers the last year with Mason? Compare 7-=5 to that year and he has gone nowhere in two years. What a nice trick. Take a so so team, make it terrible, then bring it up to so so again, at best, and have the DACS of the world say you are doing a good job.
Kevin stole my words. Back to the O-line. I don’t know if you need a great recruiter there, but the Gophers need to recruit offensive linemen, and I don’t know how you can get a kid excited about coming to a school that isn’t tremendously good at running the spread and isn’t committed to running the football. Offense was never the problem during Masons’ term–his contract just didn’t leave any $$$ for the defense. Depending on Minnesota kids to become effective OL in the spread isn’t going to happen. If Brewster can sell Maturi on spending some money to get an OL coach with Texas recruiting experience, that might be worth $250,000 deal.
the whole damn worthless team should resign!
DAC,
Time for you to grow up and stop this name calling. My guess is your a junior high school student.
I called for Meyers resignation last year. I still think it might be smart for Brewster to look at other options at offensive coordinator. Even if Dunbar is still coordinator, this offense should be very good next year. We should average at least 450 yards a game next year.
Did Brewster on his radio station say that Limpscomb will be his number one running back next year. I thought I read that from someone’s blog.
Next year I’d still be dissappointed if we didn’t at least win 8 games. I’m still predicting 10. I just feel that if you count the bowl game next year 8 wins is the bare minumium. We will be talented, experience, and deep, both on offense and defense. Brewster has the keys to a Cattillac. I’s up to him to how he performs. I hope Brewster drives it all the way to Pasadena!
My biggest error was firing Shaw. He was a Gopher coach the delivered year after year. I will redeem myself and make amends. Please come back Gordy!
I appologize to the fans for being such a dufus.
Fire this dunbar NOW! Bring in Mitch Browning AND Gordy Shaw! If not, this brewster is letting his last chance ride on an offense that has been totally offensive and incapable of winning very many Big Ten games.
This dunbar is not capable of getting it done.
Bring in Gordy Shaw. He waa here with Wacker and Mason. He coached the defensive line and then switched to the offensive line. Mitch Browning also worked with the offensive line. Those two flat-out got it done. They have connections around here and they flat-out made things happen on offense. This brewster has wasted two regular seasons on this offense that is going NO WHERE. Crucify this dunbar along with the offensive line coach this brewster (at this maturi’s insistance no doubt) crucified. Even crucifying this dunbar and the other guy will hardly buy you enough time to get your Big Ten record up.
The fans will like going into a first-rate stadium in 2009, but they will get really ticked off about only a couple of Big Ten wins in 2009. This brewster needs to realize that the pressure will be on BIG TIME to win five Big tne games in 2009 and the schedule is just not going to allow that to happen.
Better bring in Mitch Browning and Gordy Shaw NOW! Get the offense cranking and cooking for the 2009 season. Restore a little faith that there IS someone with a little common sense over there at the Bierman Complex. want Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning returned to run the Gopher offense NOW!
The 06 team went 6-7 with a SR QB, the best TE in the country, and a Logan Payne at WR. Brewster went 1-11 with a QB that had taken a snap, a true freshman RB,and a Defense with a guy playing with one hand and a bunch of new faces.
This team would have won fewer games had Brewster not been willing to take on some JC transfers.
A 55-0 thrashing at the hands of Iowa
and you fire the o-line coach!! What about the QB coach or RB coach, heck get rid of them all! Brewster will continue to blame his results on not enough talented player and need for new coaches. But the truth will rear it ugly head next year when the team under-performs this years mediocre results.
Worse Big Ten loss in the long history of Gopher football and this gives this coach an 0-6 record in trophy games and a 3-13 overall Big Ten record and we are to believe the train is heading in the correct direction. Never mind a four game losing streak and a dysfunctional offense, we are on our way to a great season next year without the teams best player.
Just ‘wait until next year’ and get out there and buy more tickets. Who said there was a sucker born every minute? 55-0 at HOME against IOWA and we are still convinced this guy can coach.
Decker 1st team.
Weber 2nd team by coaches
Willie 2nd by coaches and 1st media
Traye 2nd team
Jack Simmons 2nd team media and good sport for Gophers
Theret and Weber Honorable Mention by media.
Nice try BigGuy. “The best TE in the country” led us to three straight wins until his injury knocked him out of the bowl game. In any case he is a very bad example to bring up in that he would never have been recruited by Brewster as he did not have that “speed, speed and more speed” that Brewster loves so much.
But, you can be happy we are now rid of another one of those guys, WVDS. Fairly soon you won’t have anymore Mason players to blame for our 55-0 losses to Iowa.
Let’s face it, this brewster will probably have a 5-7 or 4-8 record in 2009 UNLESS he dumps this dunbar and brings in Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning. Then, he might have a chance to go 7-5 against a much more difficult schedule that will include games against: Cal, OSU, PSU, MSU, iowa, wisky, NU, Illinois, and Air Force. 7-5 would be pretty darn good against that line up.
The Gophers will be hard pressed to replace a few of this year’s seniors. Even if Roof stays, his defense will need the help of an offense that can stay on the field and run the clock and score some touchdowns. Bring in Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning to transform the offense. Browning worked with Weber and Decker their frosh years. Browning also worked a pretty athletic qb in Asad. He can crank a running game up pretty well. Gordy Shaw is GREAT building an offensive line as is Mitch Browning. This is EXACTLY what the brewster needs! Will he be conscious enough to do what he needs to do or will he let it ALL slip away by staying with this dunbar? I see it as being a difference of 2 or 3 wins for the 2009 season IF this brewster brings in Browning and Shaw vs staying with this dunbar. This brewster is holding his own rope…will he hire Bowning and Shaw and succeed…or…will he stay with this pathetic dunbar and hang himself? You can lead a brewster to water…but…can you make him drink that water?
Who said they were convinces he can coach. People are just willing to see it out and not jump off a bridge. I guess Tubby will be fired if they don’t win as many games this year. Heck the way some talk on this blog, every team that lost to the Gophers should fire their coach tomorrow. They obviously lost to the worst team in the country.
Bud … You disappoint me. Since we have become friends I have never corrected your spelling. I only used different words for irony (humorous) effect.
Not sure many here appreciate that. Certainly not the little fellow who needs tissue while whining to the boss.
Bud says,
“Brewster took over a company that is not back to where it was before he became CEO.”
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Bud, you are, again (when you stick to facts and are not trashing kids you don’t know) correct. Brewster, in two years, does not have the program to the point Mason left it.
But we, as shareholders, bet that Mason was taking us down and Brewster may take us up. That is the bet. We will see.
Kevin … You are an astute observer if one dismisses the fact you know nothing about the Minnesota Gophers.
Nice job impersonating the foreigner who infiltrated our country and claimed to build a stadium here. You are both a joke.
Glenlivet … I hope after we both enjoy the product under your name, we can agree that winning football begins on the defensive side of the ball.
You can bring in the offense later. But offense alone never wins. Defense alone has a chance.
Tim Brewster understands football. That is why his first recruiting class took us from the worst defense in Division I to somewhere in the middle. That’s a big improvement.
Now, if next year, we can field a real quarterback who can run this system, we can couple that with our improving defense and win in the Big Ten.
Littlebigboy … Never, ever, use a word on this board such as “evidentially”.
We do not want loon and wren to file lawsuits against the Strib over not posting in a language they understand.
And do not post in Urdu either.
No decent coach would ever come to Minnesota.
Gutekunst=loser
Wacker=loser
Mason=loser
Brewster=loser
Browning=loser
Shaw=loser
Dinky Stadium will make no difference. It’s time for Minnesota to drop down to D2; maybe they could compete with Mankato and Winona. They draw about the same number of fans. 40+ years is proof enough that they can’t compete in D1.
The crying Loon says,
“and we are to believe the train is heading in the correct direction.”
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Loon ,,, you are a foreigner. What do you know about right or wrong direction?
Also, educated people who write in the English language understand that you place a question mark at the end of a written question. Did you know that, Loon? Are you educated? Why don’t you know how to write properly with punctuation? Can you explain that?
Check out the updated story on who the new Offensive line coach is going to be. I think he may have a decent resume, just a guess though.
goldO4 ,.,,, Who is the moron who posts under your name? Can the Strib trace this atrocity to Tom Peebl’s offensive/defensive coordinator or Field Yost’s Third Assistant Right Tackle Coach?
Alabama’s Tim Davis appears in line to take over for Phil Meyer, who resigned from his position with the Gophers on Monday. O-line coach for USC national championship teams.
Reality-Is-a-Moron … Yes, and time for you to get your first clue in life. If you need help, come and talk to Loon and me.
Ok Kent, spill the beans who is the new OL coach???
DAC
Why do you keep calling yourself a moron?
d_a_c-off is as d_a_c-off appears and presents himself. Anyone with a brain can see through this d_a_c-off. Even if his name was Jack, he would still be exactly as he presents himself. The pen is mightier than the sword. Let this d_a_c-off continue to hang himself with his tortured posts. No one has to call him the names he calls others. He is a sick individual…hole in his head and a hole for a soul. And, he just keeps hanging himself over and over.
Im really sorry for Mr. Meyer had to give up his job. But if the offensive line is not blocking then what else can a head coach do except to find a suitable replacement. This guy From Al. sounds like a good one, but time will only tell. I see alot of you people are fed up with the OC well I am to. I would like to see this spead offense dropped and find something else that these kids can do that works and is easy to learn. I say this because some of these kids can’t seem to learn and adjust to a new system and I sometimes wonder if these kids should even be in college! This team lacks pride and Brewster is not doing a very good job of teaching these kids that concept. Get it together this off season Brewster cause if you can’t beat Iowa and Wisc next season you can kiss this job goodbye…..
Wally .. You are, without doubt, a genius on the order of ThisWrenbawlCrybaby and This AmazingLoonaticStadiumBuilder.
Thanks for explaining how coaches play and players sit. Again, your intelligence, along with that of ThisWrenAgainAMillion and ThatIlliterateForeignCriminalInfiltrator, is so appreciated.
IF this program only has five…six…seven or eight Big Ten wins at the end of three years of this brewster-ball, it will certainy be the time when this maturi and this prexy b would be hard-pressed to give this brewster a contract extension. (Afte two seasons this brewster has 4 Big Ten wins.) Then they would be at the SAME danger point they reached with Mason. IF they don’t extend him, every coach in the world will recruit against this brewster by saying that this brewster will obviously be gone within a few more games…THAT is the point of NO return. To counter that this prexy b and this maturi would need to EXTEND this brewster. But, how the heck can you renew a coach who can’t win more than 20 or 25% of the Big Ten games he coaches after three years…heading into a fourth… CATCH 22…CAN’T W
IN SITUATION…UPSIdE DOWN in coaching contracts.
IF you extend this brewster at that point, you run the risk of having to buy out his extended contract at the cost of millions and millions of dollars if he STILL doesn’t win eniugh big Ten games. And the REAL problem with that is the fact that you are still in hock up to your stinking eyeballs with that money you borrowed from the General Fund to buy out the newly extended contract of that former coach.
In other words, your contract with this brewster (who just can’t seem to win many Big Ten games)would be freaking up-freaking-side-freaking-down! This prexy b and this maturi can NOT afford to risk being TOTAL FOOLS by extending this brewster now…and IF they let him go much further without a contract extension…they will risk having it used against him in recruiting.
On the other hand, if he wins only one…two…or three Big Ten games in the 2009 season…he is such an incredible liability to their bilk the fan-base the most you can get out of them for premium seats to watch a coach who can’t win over 25% of the Big Ten games he coaches, soon this prexy b will be losing really big on the can’t lose because this stadium is brand-new phase of stadium-star-wars.
The way I see it: unless this brewster wins at least 5 Big Ten games in 2009, he is a LOST cause..a “no-win project…”, a “now you sell-him, now you fire him prexy-toy. The pressure is on BIG TIME for this brewster, this prexy b and this maturi to win at LEAST 5 Big Ten games in 2009.
When I look at the addition of PSU, MSU and Cal to the schedule, I’d say that I think they are going against all odds. I don’t really think the odds are in their favor at all.
Move into the new stadium. Promise to start winning a heck of a lot of Big Ten games by replacing the offensive line coach with a guy with some pro experience and hang on to this loser, dunbar as offensive coordinator and try to sell the booze angle big time to get people to pay up for “special” seating with boozing priviliges so that these dudes and dudettes will be able to drink themselves into oblivion when and if this brewster still can’t win very many Big Ten games in 2009. The booze-seats will help anesthetise the poor fools so that losing Big Ten games doesn’t sting quite so much. Call it the TCF STADIUM AND BOTTLE CLUB! The new motto can be: How can you lose as long as you can pay for seats that allow booze?
Throw in the peddling of “fantasy high school football recruit rankings…” craze and you never even have to worry about winning more than 25% of your Big Ten football games, and you have a plan that will carry this prexy b through into his retirement a year or two down the road. He won’t even ever have to repay the General Fund for his football firing folley and fiasco. Even though he’s “upside down” with his coach’s contract, he should be able to skate by just as long as he retires within the next year or so… This prexy b thinks he’s got it covered. A liquor license can be a real life-saver for a prexy who verges on being upside down with football coache’s contracts!
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CORRECTION: after two yars this brewster has ONLY three Big Ten wins…
KTBH–no need to correct yourself, I seriously doubt anyone read your post.
I think what people fail to realize is how much more deep and talented this team will be next year. The only big loss to the team next year is Van. Everyone is back plus some new recruits who will help the team.
The offense will be very, very good next year. I would be suprised if we didn’t average at least 450 yards a game. Defensively Van loss worries me, but I think we will see guys like Jacobs and others step up to the plate.
Next year I predict 10 wins and 8 wins would be the bare minnimium.
Last year two recognized (Barber and Kucek), this year six. We are going in the right direction.
The fact that this brewster has led this prgram to ONLY 3 Big Ten wins in two years is the ONLY thing that matters tex. Fire this dunbar NOW! Some little offensive line change isn’t going to change anything for the 2009 season. DUMPING this dunbar is the ONLY “game changing” move that this brewster can make, short of resigning himself!
The O-line will be much better next year and we will finally have a stable of running backs to chose from. Plus with all the good recievers (Decker, Hayo, Ben, Green, Smith, Spry) Weber will put up HUGE numbers next year.
I’ll go with five wins and seven losses in 2009 with this dunbar in place. Four and eight would not surprise me though.
Unless this team can rush for 150 to 175 yards per game in 2009, it is going to be more of the same of what we witnessed during the “throw away” last 1/2 of the Big Ten schedule in 2008. Only, in 2009, the first half of the Big Ten schedule will not set up for wins as well as the schedule set up in 2008. It’s gong to be a tough one with this dunbar still in place. I keep hoping that this dunbar will see the handwriting on the wall and will “resign for other opportunities…” sometime within the next six months.
Next year’s schedule is going to be a real bear goldohfour.
“On his weekly radio show Sunday, he talked about using more sets where the quarterback is under center — rather than in shotgun — and the linemen have their hands on the ground more.”
I think this is a clear indication that Dunbar better adjust or he is next.
Gold–I agree with you regarding the fact we should be improved next year, but you are really a pie in the sky person. You have to stop with the 10 win season talk and 450 yard offense. I see nothing to support those crazy claims and you are just setting us up for failure. The name of the game is improvement. If we improve every year we will get to those lofty predictions of yours, but next year is too soon.
Wren,
I’ve had my doubts about Dunbar too and so do a LOT of people. If he goes I wouldn’t shed a tear but his Northwestern team averaged 505 yards a game. He can’t be too bad. I don’t think it would be the end of the world for Dunbar to coach in 2009 but I would mind a change also in 2009.
It will be interesting to see how this team looks in the bowl game. Will Davis be here before the game and will Dunbar try some new things. Also will any players switch positions? Will #11 be in a QB package for the game? I want to see some adjustments.
I think Brewster is wanting what the Cal coach wanted. The Cal coach felt his offense was way too much a spread offense with Dunbar. I do think the spread can work, but we need to be more balanced. I would not mind if Norm Chow was our Offensive Coordinator.
Yes, tex, you are more realistic than goldohfour is being. But, still another year of having a bad Big Ten record? Ouch, how long do we have to hear about how wonderfully this brewster is doing without having it show up in the Big Ten win totals? I just don’t think there is any way to see this brewster coaching Minnesota to a 5-3 Big Ten record in 2009 with the schedule that is in place. On the oter hand, IF this brewster can’t even have 8 Big Ten wins at the end of his third season the way the failed and fired Mason did, WHAT is the point with continuing with this phony “recruiting is everything” facade that this brewster tries to spin and hide behind. At what point does there have to be substance that replaces the b.s.?
To me the ONLY things that really matter here would be winning Big Ten football games in BIG numbers (5…6…7..8 Big Ten wins per season.), running a completely honest and clean program and graduating ever increasing numbers of student/athlete football players.
Recriting rankings mean NOTHING if they are not immediately translating into Big Ten WINS. NO excuses and blaming can be allowed heading into season number three. This brewster is accountable as all get out…and you -brew-crew dudes and dudettes, which ever the case may be can’t sping it any other way. 2009 is the year that at last 5 Big Ten wins are necessary for this brewster, just to keep him even with the failed and fired former coach. Unless this brewster is at least even with that former, failed, fired coach at the three year mark, there is NO hope.
At the end of the 2009 season, if this brewster hasn’t won at least FIVE Big Ten games and doesn’t have at least an 8-4 record, I’m moving on to start demanding the “next big thing…” We are on track to try to “fire” our way into prosperety unless this brewster wins five big Big Ten games in 2009! DEMAND MORE! EXPECT MORE! Fire this dunbar NOW!
I do think offensively the Gophers will try new things for this bowl game. Here are few few things new things the Gophers will do on offense.
1. Pittman will take some snaps at qb and run the Gophers version of the Wildcat.
2. The Gophers will tone down the spread a bit.
3. Weber will try to hit his young recievers (Green, Smith, Mcknight) more in deep routes.
4. Shady will play more.
5. You’ll see a lot of young guys play a more on offense. The coaches will look at this game as the first game of next year.
To me the ONLY things that really matter here would be winning Big Ten football games in BIG numbers (5…6…7..8 Big Ten wins per season.).
This is the first coach that seems to have a plan to try and get to your goal. Surround himself with quality coaches and recruit.
You do realize that 1973 was the last time MN won more than 5 conference games, it doesn’t happen over night.
“To me the ONLY things that really matter here would be winning Big Ten football games in BIG numbers (5…6…7..8 Big Ten wins per season.).” was a quote from above.
Wren,
I do agree Brewster now needs to start being accountable for more wins. I’d be dissappointed if we didn’t win at least 8 games next year.
Brewster’s first year was understandable. This year we needed to take a big step forward in the win column, which we did.
Next year winning at least 8 games should not be a big suprise.
Winning at least 8 wins next year is a reasonable expectation to place on Brewster. Fire MASON.
Norm Chow for Offensive Coordinator!
Wren
In case you haven’t noticed, you been in the “next big thing” or lets get rid of Brewster mode for sometime now. Well before he had evened two seasons. Yet you gave Masonball a decade. Rathy whimpy I would say.
At least you have finally come around to the realization that the Gophers need to be in a position to win big and often. If so, how long do you think we need to keep Brewster or any other coach around in order to get there?
I think being competetive for 12 games, beating who you should, and winning one of the trophy games would = success. Can’t put a number on it, but that should be the goal after this year.
IF this brewster doesn’t get at least 8 wins in 2009, it si “fire this brewster” time of his unproductive coaching career. One year got us a throw away. Two years and this unbar needs to go away. Three years with 8 Big Ten wins or LESS and it ain’t happeing NO WAY! With ONLY 3 Big Ten wins after two seasons ditch this dunbar now as if a coaching career depends on it. Because the truth of the matter is…this brewster’s career does depend upon his getting a heck of a lot of Big Ten wins in 2009.
55-0 reeks. This dunbar needs to go and this brewster needs to get his butt in gear.
I hear the MIAC is still looking for someone to replace Macalester. The Gophers could compete there, I think.
Why would anyone waste money going to Dinky Stadium? I strongly urge the public to boycott this program and send a message to the ‘U’ officials that it’s time to shut down this embarassment of a program. It has no chance of ever luring a good coach.
Wren,
I have the feeling that Dunbar is not going anywhere. If Brewster didn’t want Dunbar, he’d be resigning also.
Reality- The MIAC already has too many teams for football, so they are not looking for anyone 
Heck, Bayfield, it wasn’t ME who gave Mason ten…it was that wimpy prexy b and this maturi that crapped their pants finally in 2005, signed him to a new five year deal and then in 2006 paid millions and millions to buy him out. IF I were running the show, since they let his contract run down so darn far, I would have let him go…cut the cord at the end of that 2005 season. This wimpy prexy b and this maturi BLINKED when the potential loss of the stadium deal flashed before their eyes and caved in like a sink hole that has just sunk even further.
There is a point where you pull the plug. The thing is, in Mason’s 3rd year he won five Big Ten games…so he was extended.
That’s why I say this brewster needs to win at LEAST five Big Ten games in 2009. IF he wins five, that would give a little hope for the furure. However, if he can’t even do that in year three: here is NO hope for him…only his fantasy recruiting hype. Sorry Bayfield, you can’t stay in the Big Ten on hype alone. You have GOT to be able to win AT LEAST five Big Ten games in a season to provide some HOPE with all of that cheap HYPE. At the end of three with less than five Big Ten wins in the thrid year, you don’t dare extend…and IF you don’t extend, you really do need to fire the bum and start all over. This prexy b and this maturi can’t put themselves in a position where they will have to borrow millions and millions of dollars from the General Fund AGAIN…before you have even paid off that last multi-million dollar loan you wrote yourself. This prexy b and this maturi are in a really dangerous spot with this 2009 season. Will they crap out and do the wrong thing and extend prematurely? Or, will they do the right thing and pull the plug if 2009 does NOT produce 5 Big Ten wins to provide some HOPE with all of that stinking HYPE this brewster peddles?
I’m sure, in retrospect, that Decker wishes he went to St. John’s.
There is no question we need a better O-line performance, but going to a power I isn’t the LT solution. I think the kids (all really young) weren’t ready for a 12 game season and you could see the deterioration of performance as the year drug on. Hopefully, this coach change will help that. What I personally, would really like to see Dunbar do is run the no huddle next year. Weber will be an upper classman. Our O-line will be one year older, hopefully some good offseason conditioning, and then we can just give Adam a bunch of plays and call them from the line. Dunbar did the no huddle quite well at NU.
scho0127- I agree 100%. It doesn’t have to be hurry up, but get the defense set and take advantage of it. They seem to call a play and run it. I want to see them go deeper into the play clock at the line. It will get the defense antsy not knowing if they next play will be quick. By taking your time and changing personel after each play, you have to allow the defense to sub or they have time to sub.
Gold; the master of the hyperbole.
Dunbar had one terrific year at NU (2005) where they averaged 494 yds/game in the BT. During his time at NU and Cal his offense averaged 400 yd/game in conference which is nothing to sneeze at but still would rank about #40 in the country this year. Plus he had some darn good players at his disposal.
Transforming this offense into a jugernaut(sp) in one year can happen but I don’t see it. A 60% increase (169 yd) in yards per game is asking a ton. I expect a better OL in 09 but still not what we need to light it up. Maybe by 2010.
“Why would anyone waste money going to Dinky Stadium? I strongly urge the public to boycott this program and send a message to the ‘U’ officials that it’s time to shut down this embarassment of a program. It has no chance of ever luring a good coach.”
I wholeheartedly agree with you Reality! If this brewster can’t win alteast 8 games next year the football program should be disbanded forever and TCF Bank Stadium can be used to house homeless people. Perhaps The Bottle Club area can be used as an AA type meeting place to get people sober! Fire this dunbar NOW!!!
Wren.
Cut the cord at the end of the 2005 season? That’s what I wanted and I know we were on the opposite side of the fence at that time.
In retro, maybe, but at the time I recall you and the Canuck pounding your fists that we can’t keep on firing coaches, lamenting the fact that Mason didn’t have Admin. support, Gophers have one of the lowest budgets, poor pay for assistants, crappy stadium, how can he recruit top players to a cold and barren plance like Mpls, how vital Mason was to get a stadium, and all the other “reasons”. And how Mason was a miracle worker just to average 3 BT wins a season & go to crappy bowl games.
Now you are giving Brewster 3 years. Better buy him out now then with some more borrowed money that you guys were whining about when Mason was given his due.
Unless Brewster screws up bigtime, he gets up to five years. I gave up on Mason after seven and won’t do that again.
Do you remember the one game at a time and .083 approach? Once a Masonite, always a Masonite.
Bayfield–Agree. Unless Brewster does something really unethical, you have to give him time. Constantly changing coaches, changing schemes, etc. just doesn’t work. Look at the successful programs and you will continuity. Remember everyone, it is the direction or trendline that is important.
With that “trendline” in mind, here is my off the cuff evaluation of this current year:
1)Defense—much improved
2)Offense–step backwards but with what I believe are valid explanations
3)Special Teams–coverage better, returning better, kickers step backwards.
4) recruiting—better (than Mason years)
5) attendance–It looks like status quo to me
What do you think??
Do not put words in my mouth Mr. Bayfield. I have never called for the head of Coach Brewster. I have called for the head of Joel Maturi and Coach Dunbar.
I have consistently written for four plus years now that adding to our well established reputation as ‘the graveyard of college coaches’ would be a total folly. I have consistently written that if we did so I would have no idea where we would go from there. I have consistently written that if Mason got us to 10-3 without the new stadium it was highly unlikely anyone better would just walk into this mess if he were bought out.
Most of all, I have consistently written that if the deep thinkers of the program screwed up the first year of TCF we would be left with no good options at all.
This was the path you guys wanted and I have no idea how you are going to dig yourselves out of this mess. Either the team is much better right now than I think it is, or those fans left to the program will find themselves back at the bottom of the Big Ten with Indiana and the Kinnick North/Randall West situation transferred to TCF.
This is your play and you can work out the end game. I still see no good way out of your mess. I really do wish I did.
Tex, what part of the trend of the last month have you missed?
Call it what you want Loon but anyone who spends time on this blogs knows you are not in the Brewster camp and still would like to see more of Masonball. There are those here who believe that you would like to see Brewster fail so you could officially say “I told you so”. “I still see no way out of your mess” is proof in itself. Very transparent there Mr. Loon.
Putting words in someones mouth is an old trick I learned from you Loon.
However, we do have one thing in commond. Dump the damn spread and Dunbar too. I hate it more than you do.
Loon–look at those last 4 games and take into acct. this is a very young and inexperienced team.
Game 9–heartbreaking loss to NU
game 10–blowout
game 11–heartbreaking loss to WI
game
game 12–blowout
That is a classic young/inexperienced/banged up/scenario. I am not making excuses but I don’t think those last 4 games mean the trendline is going the wrong way. That is why I think at this early stage of development we are putting too much emphasis on wins and losses. Now after next year and thereafter, I will be the first to talk about how many w’s and l’s we have.
Tim Davis announced as Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line Coach.
“[Davis] has played a key role in helping develop some of the game’s most punishing and physical rushing attacks and I could not be more excited about the North-South mentality he will bring as our running game coordinator,’’ Brewster said in a statement.
Running Game Coordinator/Offensive Line Coach. Do you think Dunbar will get the hint if he hasn’t been told already?
This Davis sounds like a great pickup.
Bayfield: I made my case. I was at the bowl game in 2005. The clock was running down on Mason. I saw his family members saying good bye to people during the 2nd half of the game. There were pictures being taken with friends, player’s family members. There were some tears shed. Then, I drove back to Minnesota. I kept hearing how it was just a matter of hours until the assistant coaches needed to either be hired for another year or be notified that their services would be terminated. The clock was ticking and the clock war really winding down.
I had made my best case. I had been shut-down. I had failed in my efforts to say what ever I could on behalf of Mason and his staff. This prexy b and maturi were real s.o.b’s about this…hard as nails…standing their ground…going forward for better or for worse and they were prepared to fire Mason’s butt by not extending his contract. After all, they had let him go contract challenged through two recruiting years. This maturi had done nothing to advertise the program…no campaign for the 2005 season…nothing. Yes, it appeared that these two bad-asses…this prexy b and this maturi were going to show Mason who was boss and not extend him OR his staff. It looked like they were prepared to accept the consequences…to either be covered in glory or to crash and burn because of their own wills and head-strong beliefs about moving on without Mason.
I gave up all hope and started realizing that this prexy b and this maturi had confidence that even THEY could get this stadium deal done all by themselves without Mason’s help. Or, that the stadium deal would just all fall apart. And then, the power of my arguments (ha ha, I am having fun with this now Bayfield…I’m LMAOFDAOTSP while I’m typing this (in d_a_c-foff terms)hit this prexy b and this maturi so hard up-side-the-head that they caved in like simpering bowls of jello and extended Mason for FIVE years! Wow: I MUST have relly been making some powerful arguments about administrations trying to “fire their way to prosperity…”
And, Bayfield, I suppose you are correct: it wasall MY doing that got Mason extended at the end of the 2005 season! Because of this, Mason was able to help ramrod the stadium legislation and was able to secure the naming rights money for this prexy b and this maturi…simpering, jiggling, lightweight bowels of jello that they proved themselves to be during the next twelve months following their massive cave in that can all be attributed to MY contrastsand arguments on behalf of Coach Mason. Yes, in reviewing how it all went down, I played a HUGE part in keeping Mason around!
And that’s the way it went down Bayfield. I guess I DID have a lot to do with Mason being here for as long as he was.
I sure wish this brewster wouldstart winning some more Big Ten football games though. I have thanged my perspective on coaches. I have been hard on this brewster from day one because of his mouth and because he threw away season number one. He did NOT have to lose ALL those games. If I would have been his commanding officer, I would have written him up for derelection of duty! During time of war, maybe he could have been drummed out with a dishonorable discharge for not finding ways to win EVERY game he should have won in year number one.
Since then I have been going HARD after this dunbar. I detest what he calls an offense. I detest what they have done to an offense that was a well balanced offense that could turn out offensive lines with no problem year after year.
And, as far as I am concerned, this prexy b and this maturi are STILL simpering, jiggling jello-persons who should step down, retire and be gone.
Really, Bayfield, that’s howI see that situation. Next time, I won’t mince words and will be right up front about what I think is going on.
Ditch this dunbar NOW!
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What is the position at BAMA that this davis has been holding? Sounds like some sort of administrator? Hmmmmmmmm?????
Gold opines,
“3. Weber will try to hit his young recievers (Green, Smith, Mcknight) more in deep routes.”
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Wow, gold. Did you mail that one in? If only Weber had thought of that during the regular season. Oh well, another hidden nugget.
Another beauty from gold …
“5. You’ll see a lot of young guys play a more on offense. The coaches will look at this game as the first game of next year.”
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Name the young guys we have who have not played yet but will.
Wren.
Bringing Coach Davis has to send a message to Dunbar. Get this offense going or…….. Maybe the bowl game will be his last straw.
Could it be that Davis was assured he will be the next OC when that time comes? USC, Alabama to Minnesota is a strange path.
I still find it interesting that Brewster has chosen to go with the whimpy flavor of the day offense which is a 180 from his personality; be agressive, play smash mouth and take no prisoners. It appears Coach Davis is in the same mold. Lets see more! I wouldn’t want to mess with Roof, Davis and Brewster.
Dunbar has be very nervous. Fire him before he has a nervous breakdown!!!
Bay–I think Davis’s coaching path makes sense. Proven track record at USC, takes NFL job with Miami, Saban leaves Miami and he follows him to Alabama. This guy’s resume looks very impressive to me and could be another great hire (like Roof).
Bay–don’t think the spread is “wimpy.” A lot of teams having a punishing ground game which opens up the spread passing game. Did you watch OU crush TT?? OU must have had at least 150 yards on the ground.
Actually, 299 yards to be exact. The spread and running the ball effectively are not mutually exclusive. And I am talking about your “smashmouth” type running—no trickery.
At least Brewster is beggining to act and fast. He knew our O-line and running game was in serious trouble. Guys like Limpscomb and Whaley should defintely help our running game also.
All we need to do is get Norm Chow and we’ll be sitting in good shape.
I hope you are correct Bayfield. It really would be fun to watch Mr. Weber directing an offense that wants to play FOOTBALL. It would be FUN to take more pride in the offensive line than anything else on the offense again! Now THAT would be some FOOTBALL to watch in the new stadium!
Loon talks about trends. The trend I see is 40 years of buffoonish football. The Gophers haven’t been competitive under any coach during that time. It’s time to close up shop.
Looks like Brewster is willing to change and make corrections in personnel and philosophy. Maybe his buddy over at winter park could take some notes.
Thank God they didn’t bring that snake in the grass Shaw back. Any true Gopher fan should line up at the border to prevent that from EVER happening. The U is always his school even while steering kids from the U and undermining the efforts of the new staff? Please stay in SD snake Shaw!
Wrenthriceagain makes a brief point,
“Fire this dunbar NOW! Bring in Mitch Browning AND Gordy Shaw! If not, this brewster is letting his last chance ride on an offense that has been totally offensive and incapable of winning very many Big Ten games.This dunbar is not capable of getting it done.Bring in Gordy Shaw. He waa here with Wacker and Mason. He coached the defensive line and then switched to the offensive line. Mitch Browning also worked with the offensive line. Those two flat-out got it done. They have connections around here and they flat-out made things happen on offense. This brewster has wasted two regular seasons on this offense that is going NO WHERE. Crucify this dunbar along with the offensive line coach this brewster (at this maturi’s insistance no doubt) crucified. Even crucifying this dunbar and the other guy will hardly buy you enough time to get your Big Ten record up. The fans will like going into a first-rate stadium in 2009, but they will get really ticked off about only a couple of Big Ten wins in 2009. This brewster needs to realize that the pressure will be on BIG TIME to win five Big tne games in 2009 and the schedule is just not going to allow that to happen.Better bring in Mitch Browning and Gordy Shaw NOW! Get the offense cranking and cooking for the 2009 season. Restore a little faith that there IS someone with a little common sense over there at the Bierman Complex. want Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning returned to run the Gopher offense NOW!Let’s face it, this brewster will probably have a 5-7 or 4-8 record in 2009 UNLESS he dumps this dunbar and brings in Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning. Then, he might have a chance to go 7-5 against a much more difficult schedule that will include games against: Cal, OSU, PSU, MSU, iowa, wisky, NU, Illinois, and Air Force. 7-5 would be pretty darn good against that line up.The Gophers will be hard pressed to replace a few of this year’s seniors. Even if Roof stays, his defense will need the help of an offense that can stay on the field and run the clock and score some touchdowns. Bring in Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning to transform the offense. Browning worked with Weber and Decker their frosh years. Browning also worked a pretty athletic qb in Asad. He can crank a running game up pretty well. Gordy Shaw is GREAT building an offensive line as is Mitch Browning. This is EXACTLY what the brewster needs! Will he be conscious enough to do what he needs to do or will he let it ALL slip away by staying with this dunbar? I see it as being a difference of 2 or 3 wins for the 2009 season IF this brewster brings in Browning and Shaw vs staying with this dunbar. This brewster is holding his own rope…will he hire Bowning and Shaw and succeed…or…will he stay with this pathetic dunbar and hang himself? You can lead a brewster to water…but…can you make him drink that water?IF this program only has five…six…seven or eight Big Ten wins at the end of three years of this brewster-ball, it will certainy be the time when this maturi and this prexy b would be hard-pressed to give this brewster a contract extension. (Afte two seasons this brewster has 4 Big Ten wins.) Then they would be at the SAME danger point they reached with Mason. IF they don’t extend him, every coach in the world will recruit against this brewster by saying that this brewster will obviously be gone within a few more games…THAT is the point of NO return. To counter that this prexy b and this maturi would need to EXTEND this brewster. But, how the heck can you renew a coach who can’t win more than 20 or 25% of the Big Ten games he coaches after three years…heading into a fourth… CATCH 22…CAN’T W
IN SITUATION…UPSIdE DOWN in coaching contracts.IF you extend this brewster at that point, you run the risk of having to buy out his extended contract at the cost of millions and millions of dollars if he STILL doesn’t win eniugh big Ten games. And the REAL problem with that is the fact that you are still in hock up to your stinking eyeballs with that money you borrowed from the General Fund to buy out the newly extended contract of that former coach.In other words, your contract with this brewster (who just can’t seem to win many Big Ten games)would be freaking up-freaking-side-freaking-down! This prexy b and this maturi can NOT afford to risk being TOTAL FOOLS by extending this brewster now…and IF they let him go much further without a contract extension…they will risk having it used against him in recruiting.On the other hand, if he wins only one…two…or three Big Ten games in the 2009 season…he is such an incredible liability to their bilk the fan-base the most you can get out of them for premium seats to watch a coach who can’t win over 25% of the Big Ten games he coaches, soon this prexy b will be losing really big on the can’t lose because this stadium is brand-new phase of stadium-star-wars.The way I see it: unless this brewster wins at least 5 Big Ten games in 2009, he is a LOST cause..a “no-win project…”, a “now you sell-him, now you fire him prexy-toy. The pressure is on BIG TIME for this brewster, this prexy b and this maturi to win at LEAST 5 Big Ten games in 2009.When I look at the addition of PSU, MSU and Cal to the schedule, I’d say that I think they are going against all odds. I don’t really think the odds are in their favor at all.Move into the new stadium. Promise to start winning a heck of a lot of Big Ten games by replacing the offensive line coach with a guy with some pro experience and hang on to this loser, dunbar as offensive coordinator and try to sell the booze angle big time to get people to pay up for “special” seating with boozing priviliges so that these dudes and dudettes will be able to drink themselves into oblivion when and if this brewster still can’t win very many Big Ten games in 2009. The booze-seats will help anesthetise the poor fools so that losing Big Ten games doesn’t sting quite so much. Call it the TCF STADIUM AND BOTTLE CLUB! The new motto can be: How can you lose as long as you can pay for seats that allow booze?Throw in the peddling of “fantasy high school football recruit rankings…” craze and you never even have to worry about winning more than 25% of your Big Ten football games, and you have a plan that will carry this prexy b through into his retirement a year or two down the road. He won’t even ever have to repay the General Fund for his football firing folley and fiasco. Even though he’s “upside down” with his coach’s contract, he should be able to skate by just as long as he retires within the next year or so… This prexy b thinks he’s got it covered. A liquor license can be a real life-saver for a prexy who verges on being upside down with football coache’s contracts!;0)The fact that this brewster has led this prgram to ONLY 3 Big Ten wins in two years is the ONLY thing that matters tex. Fire this dunbar NOW! Some little offensive line change isn’t going to change anything for the 2009 season. DUMPING this dunbar is the ONLY “game changing” move that this brewster can make, short of resigning himself!I’ll go with five wins and seven losses in 2009 with this dunbar in place. Four and eight would not surprise me though.Unless this team can rush for 150 to 175 yards per game in 2009, it is going to be more of the same of what we witnessed during the “throw away” last 1/2 of the Big Ten schedule in 2008. Only, in 2009, the first half of the Big Ten schedule will not set up for wins as well as the schedule set up in 2008. It’s gong to be a tough one with this dunbar still in place. I keep hoping that this dunbar will see the handwriting on the wall and will “resign for other opportunities…” sometime within the next six months.Next year’s schedule is going to be a real bear goldohfour.Yes, tex, you are more realistic than goldohfour is being. But, still another year of having a bad Big Ten record? Ouch, how long do we have to hear about how wonderfully this brewster is doing without having it show up in the Big Ten win totals? I just don’t think there is any way to see this brewster coaching Minnesota to a 5-3 Big Ten record in 2009 with the schedule that is in place. On the oter hand, IF this brewster can’t even have 8 Big Ten wins at the end of his third season the way the failed and fired Mason did, WHAT is the point with continuing with this phony “recruiting is everything” facade that this brewster tries to spin and hide behind. At what point does there have to be substance that replaces the b.s.?To me the ONLY things that really matter here would be winning Big Ten football games in BIG numbers (5…6…7..8 Big Ten wins per season.), running a completely honest and clean program and graduating ever increasing numbers of student/athlete football players.Recriting rankings mean NOTHING if they are not immediately translating into Big Ten WINS. NO excuses and blaming can be allowed heading into season number three. This brewster is accountable as all get out…and you -brew-crew dudes and dudettes, which ever the case may be can’t sping it any other way. 2009 is the year that at last 5 Big Ten wins are necessary for this brewster, just to keep him even with the failed and fired former coach. Unless this brewster is at least even with that former, failed, fired coach at the three year mark, there is NO hope.At the end of the 2009 season, if this brewster hasn’t won at least FIVE Big Ten games and doesn’t have at least an 8-4 record, I’m moving on to start demanding the “next big thing…” We are on track to try to “fire” our way into prosperety unless this brewster wins five big Big Ten games in 2009! DEMAND MORE! EXPECT MORE! Fire this dunbar NOW!IF this brewster doesn’t get at least 8 wins in 2009, it si “fire this brewster” time of his unproductive coaching career. One year got us a throw away. Two years and this unbar needs to go away. Three years with 8 Big Ten wins or LESS and it ain’t happeing NO WAY! With ONLY 3 Big Ten wins after two seasons ditch this dunbar now as if a coaching career depends on it. Because the truth of the matter is…this brewster’s career does depend upon his getting a heck of a lot of Big Ten wins in 2009.55-0 reeks. This dunbar needs to go and this brewster needs to get his butt in gear.Heck, Bayfield, it wasn’t ME who gave Mason ten…it was that wimpy prexy b and this maturi that crapped their pants finally in 2005, signed him to a new five year deal and then in 2006 paid millions and millions to buy him out. IF I were running the show, since they let his contract run down so darn far, I would have let him go…cut the cord at the end of that 2005 season. This wimpy prexy b and this maturi BLINKED when the potential loss of the stadium deal flashed before their eyes and caved in like a sink hole that has just sunk even further.There is a point where you pull the plug. The thing is, in Mason’s 3rd year he won five Big Ten games…so he was extended. That’s why I say this brewster needs to win at LEAST five Big Ten games in 2009. IF he wins five, that would give a little hope for the furure. However, if he can’t even do that in year three: here is NO hope for him…only his fantasy recruiting hype. Sorry Bayfield, you can’t stay in the Big Ten on hype alone. You have GOT to be able to win AT LEAST five Big Ten games in a season to provide some HOPE with all of that cheap HYPE. At the end of three with less than five Big Ten wins in the thrid year, you don’t dare extend…and IF you don’t extend, you really do need to fire the bum and start all over. This prexy b and this maturi can’t put themselves in a position where they will have to borrow millions and millions of dollars from the General Fund AGAIN…before you have even paid off that last multi-million dollar loan you wrote yourself. This prexy b and this maturi are in a really dangerous spot with this 2009 season. Will they crap out and do the wrong thing and extend prematurely? Or, will they do the right thing and pull the plug if 2009 does NOT produce 5 Big Ten wins to provide some HOPE with all of that stinking HYPE this brewster peddles?“Why would anyone waste money going to Dinky Stadium? I strongly urge the public to boycott this program and send a message to the ‘U’ officials that it’s time to shut down this embarassment of a program. It has no chance of ever luring a good coach.”I wholeheartedly agree with you Reality! If this brewster can’t win alteast 8 games next year the football program should be disbanded forever and TCF Bank Stadium can be used to house homeless people. Perhaps The Bottle Club area can be used as an AA type meeting place to get people sober! Fire this dunbar NOW!!!Bayfield: I made my case. I was at the bowl game in 2005. The clock was running down on Mason. I saw his family members saying good bye to people during the 2nd half of the game. There were pictures being taken with friends, player’s family members. There were some tears shed. Then, I drove back to Minnesota. I kept hearing how it was just a matter of hours until the assistant coaches needed to either be hired for another year or be notified that their services would be terminated. The clock was ticking and the clock war really winding down.I had made my best case. I had been shut-down. I had failed in my efforts to say what ever I could on behalf of Mason and his staff. This prexy b and maturi were real s.o.b’s about this…hard as nails…standing their ground…going forward for better or for worse and they were prepared to fire Mason’s butt by not extending his contract. After all, they had let him go contract challenged through two recruiting years. This maturi had done nothing to advertise the program…no campaign for the 2005 season…nothing. Yes, it appeared that these two bad-asses…this prexy b and this maturi were going to show Mason who was boss and not extend him OR his staff. It looked like they were prepared to accept the consequences…to either be covered in glory or to crash and burn because of their own wills and head-strong beliefs about moving on without Mason.I gave up all hope and started realizing that this prexy b and this maturi had confidence that even THEY could get this stadium deal done all by themselves without Mason’s help. Or, that the stadium deal would just all fall apart. And then, the power of my arguments (ha ha, I am having fun with this now Bayfield…I’m LMAOFDAOTSP while I’m typing this (in d_a_c-foff terms)hit this prexy b and this maturi so hard up-side-the-head that they caved in like simpering bowls of jello and extended Mason for FIVE years! Wow: I MUST have relly been making some powerful arguments about administrations trying to “fire their way to prosperity…”And, Bayfield, I suppose you are correct: it wasall MY doing that got Mason extended at the end of the 2005 season! Because of this, Mason was able to help ramrod the stadium legislation and was able to secure the naming rights money for this prexy b and this maturi…simpering, jiggling, lightweight bowels of jello that they proved themselves to be during the next twelve months following their massive cave in that can all be attributed to MY contrastsand arguments on behalf of Coach Mason. Yes, in reviewing how it all went down, I played a HUGE part in keeping Mason around! And that’s the way it went down Bayfield. I guess I DID have a lot to do with Mason being here for as long as he was.I sure wish this brewster wouldstart winning some more Big Ten football games though. I have thanged my perspective on coaches. I have been hard on this brewster from day one because of his mouth and because he threw away season number one. He did NOT have to lose ALL those games. If I would have been his commanding officer, I would have written him up for derelection of duty! During time of war, maybe he could have been drummed out with a dishonorable discharge for not finding ways to win EVERY game he should have won in year number one.Since then I have been going HARD after this dunbar. I detest what he calls an offense. I detest what they have done to an offense that was a well balanced offense that could turn out offensive lines with no problem year after year.And, as far as I am concerned, this prexy b and this maturi are STILL simpering, jiggling jello-persons who should step down, retire and be gone.Really, Bayfield, that’s howI see that situation. Next time, I won’t mince words and will be right up front about what I think is going on.Ditch this dunbar NOW!;0)Bayfield: I made my case. I was at the bowl game in 2005. The clock was running down on Mason. I saw his family members saying good bye to people during the 2nd half of the game. There were pictures being taken with friends, player’s family members. There were some tears shed. Then, I drove back to Minnesota. I kept hearing how it was just a matter of hours until the assistant coaches needed to either be hired for another year or be notified that their services would be terminated. The clock was ticking and the clock war really winding down.I had made my best case. I had been shut-down. I had failed in my efforts to say what ever I could on behalf of Mason and his staff. This prexy b and maturi were real s.o.b’s about this…hard as nails…standing their ground…going forward for better or for worse and they were prepared to fire Mason’s butt by not extending his contract. After all, they had let him go contract challenged through two recruiting years. This maturi had done nothing to advertise the program…no campaign for the 2005 season…nothing. Yes, it appeared that these two bad-asses…this prexy b and this maturi were going to show Mason who was boss and not extend him OR his staff. It looked like they were prepared to accept the consequences…to either be covered in glory or to crash and burn because of their own wills and head-strong beliefs about moving on without Mason.I gave up all hope and started realizing that this prexy b and this maturi had confidence that even THEY could get this stadium deal done all by themselves without Mason’s help. Or, that the stadium deal would just all fall apart. And then, the power of my arguments (ha ha, I am having fun with this now Bayfield…I’m LMAOFDAOTSP while I’m typing this (in d_a_c-foff terms)hit this prexy b and this maturi so hard up-side-the-head that they caved in like simpering bowls of jello and extended Mason for FIVE years! Wow: I MUST have relly been making some powerful arguments about administrations trying to “fire their way to prosperity…”And, Bayfield, I suppose you are correct: it wasall MY doing that got Mason extended at the end of the 2005 season! Because of this, Mason was able to help ramrod the stadium legislation and was able to secure the naming rights money for this prexy b and this maturi…simpering, jiggling, lightweight bowels of jello that they proved themselves to be during the next twelve months following their massive cave in that can all be attributed to MY contrastsand arguments on behalf of Coach Mason. Yes, in reviewing how it all went down, I played a HUGE part in keeping Mason around! And that’s the way it went down Bayfield. I guess I DID have a lot to do with Mason being here for as long as he was.I sure wish this brewster wouldstart winning some more Big Ten football games though. I have thanged my perspective on coaches. I have been hard on this brewster from day one because of his mouth and because he threw away season number one. He did NOT have to lose ALL those games. If I would have been his commanding officer, I would have written him up for derelection of duty! During time of war, maybe he could have been drummed out with a dishonorable discharge for not finding ways to win EVERY game he should have won in year number one.Since then I have been going HARD after this dunbar. I detest what he calls an offense. I detest what they have done to an offense that was a well balanced offense that could turn out offensive lines with no problem year after year.And, as far as I am concerned, this prexy b and this maturi are STILL simpering, jiggling jello-persons who should step down, retire and be gone.Really, Bayfield, that’s howI see that situation. Next time, I won’t mince words and will be right up front about what I think is going on.Ditch this dunbar NOW!;0)”
This is getting better all the time!
Running Game Coordinator. I like that. It will be interesting when Dunbar and Davis get their heads together. Dunbar was pass first run second and relied on passing to get 60% of the yardage. Even with a Lynch on the field.
The bowl game could be interesting. Maybe we will see some under center, I, 1 RB 2 TE formation type stuff in the bowl game.
Could it be that Dunbar will retire after the bowl game and start writing spread formation books!
I hope this leads to some great o-line recruiting and play. I hope one CDH left tackle gets on board with this.
DAC–I had to scroll down “wren’s brief point” a couple times and each time I got a good laugh—thanks
Yes Bayfield, I have seen far less from Brewster than I have heard from Brewster.
“Call it what you want Loon but anyone who spends time on this blogs knows you are not in the Brewster camp and still would like to see more of Masonball. There are those here who believe that you would like to see Brewster fail so you could officially say “I told you so”. “I still see no way out of your mess” is proof in itself. Very transparent there Mr. Loon.
Putting words in someones mouth is an old trick I learned from you Loon.
However, we do have one thing in commond. Dump the damn spread and Dunbar too. I hate it more than you do.”
For the record, I have said at every opportunity for two years now that I was right and you were wrong. No secret at all. I am not right about this because I say I am right about this, but I am right about this because I am, in fact, right about this. I can not be wrong just because you or I want this or that.
If as seems likely now, we start losing lots of games at TCF, THE greatest opportunity of our generation for Gopher football will be lost.
I will not even touch the obvious downside of our creative recruiting.
As I said, I was not able to stop you guys from your great plan, and I sure am not surprised to see that it has led to this 55-0 butt reaming by Iowa, BUT you are damn well right that I am going to continue to point out at every opportunity the truth as I see it.
It is was bad yesterday to see that Brew would keep Dunbar and push Meyer on to his sword instead. It is, to say the least, very curious today to see ‘the Brew’ talking about a ‘North/South physical running style’(sounds like Masonball to me). If that is not a statement that we have been headed in the wrong direction these past two years on offense I could not imagine what else could be said.
But, Wren is 100% correct on this: if this coach does not start to win Big Ten games he will fail with or without our approval.
My days of blindly supporting dumb ass moves by guys like you are over. You wanted this big change and I did not. And I will remind you of your mess every day of my life if I want. You wanted the control, you get the blame. Such is life.
So Loon, does that mean you thought Mason was doing a good job and should be retained?? Were you happy with Mason’s results?? If you answered yes to either question, you should be perfectly content with this 7-5 season.
I expect a lot of young guys will get into the bowl game for the first time. It will be the beginning of the next season.
All the old guys like Eskridge, Saloman, Smith, Green, Johnson, Stoudermire, Rallis, Davis, Edwards, Orton, Bunders, Brandon, McKnight, Lair, Kirksey, and Jacobs will get a rest.
Hat tip to gold for the insight.
Tex, I agree that there is something up with Dunbar and Davis. Whether it’s how they work togather, or pressure on Dunbar, or Dunbar is retiring or being fired, Davis didn’t come here to be an off. line coach for very long. Maybe Dunbar wants 1 more yr and Davis will learn the spread and coordinate it with a good running attack. Some form of the spread is the O of the near future. but, with no promise of more to come Davis won’t be here long, the guy is too good. He also knows the west and south for recruiting.
Derek you are sure right on Gordy Shaw!!!!
Dac they are not going to take the redshirt off any of these kids for 1 game to see what they can do. The bowl game will be to regain confidence and get the juice back.. They will be rejuvenated and healthy, I predict a completely different team than we saw at Iowa.
Tim Davis will be a good hire for the Gophers. He was caught between jobs when Cam Camoron was fired at Miami and Sabin picked him up because he hired him at Miami. He was at Whisky for awhile but you can not hold that against him. When you need a job you take what you can get. He was not on the field but I am sure he helped out in the back room during the week. One thing is for sure Brewster has the game figured out. He will throw anyone under the bus before he takes the fall. If this hire works out as good as the defensive hire it will go a long way toward making the off season more about the future than the past. We will now sit and wait through the recruiting season and listen to all the praise of the recruits and go into 2009 with great expectations for the future.
littlebigboy says,
“Dac they are not going to take the redshirt off any of these kids for 1 game to see what they can do.”
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I agree but what do you and I know about football compared to gold? He said earlier we will see a “lot of new guys” in the bowl game.
And you know, gold is always 100% right about everything (you could ask him) and he has been certified the world’s leading genius on football by unamimous vote of a committee of one.
Bud … Loonaterius DeBuffloonery would have been a better hire. He will be finished single-handedly building his stadium before fall camp.
Loon
I look at this time as a time of opportunity and you consider it a failure. Brewster is not satisfied with 7-5 and is making efforts to improve on that. And is very serious about his plan.
Why do I have feeling your Smugness would have told the boys down the hall to start polishing up their clubs? Go ahead and take a couple days off and take your wife & kids to the mall B4 the plane leaves for some obscure bowl game. And then upgrade the ol resume for that next opportunity.
As usual, you are right about nothing. Tell me how right you are in another three or four years when there may be facts to back up your boostful and cocky attitude.
Dac,
I didn’t say new guys. I said all the young guys will get more playing time. I bet our line will have 3 or maybe even 4 freshmen starting. I think Green and Smith will start for the bowl game alongside Decker.
I don’t know why you are getting all excited about me saying the younger guys will see even MORE action the Bowl game. I didn’t realize I’d cause such a stir over a simple statement.
Bayfield … A man of letters, a world- reknown architect, a world-class builder of state-of-the-art stadia, a leading proponent of race relations, a world traveler without sans passport, and a leading candidate to be Secretary of Education For The World under His Highness … such a man should be addressed with utmost respect.
gold … What stir? I just thought your exalted position of Never Wrong as confirmed unamimously by a committee of one should be honored.
I like the fact that Brewster is taking the Bull by the horns and trying to take care of the problem. Something needed to be done.
Getting Davis still makes me wonder if Dunbar is gone also. Davis is a smash mouth kind of football guy, and he is the opposite of Dunbar. We’ll see.
Dac,
I know it’s hard to believe but I’m not perfect. If we lose our bowl game, I’ll be off by a game (8 wins).
I have been pretty accurate, even though at times I go against the grain in Gopher fans thinking.
Next year I still think in the very least this team should win 8 games.
This year I said in the very least Brewster should win 6 games.
I think raising expectations by two games is placing fair expectations on Brewster for 2009.
Our offense SHOULD good be very, very good the next couple of years. I would not be suprised if our offense these next two years averages between 450 and 500 yards a game.
I tend to think more on a negative side,but you have to be impressed with the guys Brewster continues to get to come here.He knows how to sell himself,and the program.Sometimes the overwhelming positivity can be a little much,but it’s better than the opposite.He doesn’t make excuses or reasons why things can’t be fixed or changed.He tries to come up with solutions,and I’m sure he will continue to tinker until he gets the right people in place,or gets shown the door.Hopefully it’s the former.
gold … I have never questioned your accuracy. I just like to recognize and credit you for your unerring ability to state the obvious as if it were a mystery revealed only to you.
Tex, you asked, I answer.
If I had sat down fifteen years ago and tried to figure out how this particular program could become one of the best six or seven programs in the Big Ten I would have recommended two essential ingredients:
1) Recruiting is impossible here without a stadium back on campus where we could get the “red out” and the pig smell out.
2) We need a very sound X and O coach who could control the ball and win a fair number of games here in spite of the Dome, the U, the lack of fans, student apathy, the weather, etc., etc., etc. His main job would be to win enough games to get us to the new stadium.
Any coach who can go 10-3, 8-4 and 8-5 here without TCF was far more likely to get to the Rose Bowl with TCF than any goof with a big mouth and a 1-11 start.
In short Tex, the stupidity of our fans took away our best chance to use TCF to get up to that ‘next level’ you guys say you want. After two years, if you asked the non Kool Aid set around the country to rank the current health of the Big Ten football programs, we would rank ahead of Indiana. Sweet.
I do not want Mason back. I just think we are scuppered. When that Iowa game is repeated next year at TCF a lot of season ticket holders will join me in that view.
Thanks Tex, without you we might have avoided this fate.
Coach Phil Meyer was a “figurehead” position Coach and was the “Fall Guy” for Dunbar. Dunbar dictated playing time and blocking techniques and schemes. The poor performance of the offensive line falls squarely on Dunbar’s shoulders. For him to allow another Coach to lose their job over his ineptness speaks volumes about his character and coaching decisions.
You tell’em, Loon. And Old Tex never build a new stadium from scratch all by his lonesome either.
Dac,
Predictiing we’d lose to BG last year was not an obvious fact. I state the obvious and the unobvious.
“Dunbar dictated playing time and blocking techniques and schemes.”
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Oh my goodness!!! What a scandal. Imagine an offensive coordinator wanting to have guys block using techniques and schemes to fit the offense.
YOU CAN’T GET AWAY WITH THAT, DUNBAR.
gold … If in fact you predicted the loss last year to BG then you deserve a tip of the hat. Allow me, sir.
I will say this, too … your predictions do not come after the event as do the buffloonatic’s.
Are you calling me a liar again, dac? Why would that be, dac? Who is this ‘buffloonatic’ who you think is lying about his views?
Loon … Heaven’s sake. Have a tissue.
Do you actually know an illiterate foreigner in the country illegally who built a stadium? If so, who is it?
dac….”Imagine an offensive coordinator wanting to have guys block using techniques and schemes to fit the offense” …What were Dunbar’s 2008 results ???…LAST in the Big Ten in rushing with 105.8 yards per game with an average 3.2 yards per rush and during the last four-game losing streak, his Gophers averaged 64.3 rushing yards per game for a 2.5 average per rush. Of course we wouldn’t want to omit the massive total of 7 rushing yards against the Hawkeyes !!!
I apologize…Your a genius…NOT
You weren’t talking about the results of the system, nor was I. You said it was wrong for an offensive coordinator to demand the line coach teach blocking techniques and schemes to fit the system being run.
I say, without fear of being disputed by anyone knowledgeable, that you are wrong because every offensive coordinator in the country requires the line coach to teach techniques and schemes that support the system being run.
Now if you would like to change the subject and discuss the effectiveness of the system, go ahead. But be warned, this buffluniesque spinning and changing in the middle of the debate doesn’t fly here.
Does anyone think Eric Decker will go pro in baseball next year? I heard this was a possibility. Also, did you see the article in the Trib about the “classy” Iowans having sexcapades in the handicap stall at the Metrodome. Real classy!!!!!!!!!!
Are you sure that was not winewrenbawls with Loon in that stall? No THAT would make perfect sense!!!
This dunbar’s offense became less and less effective as it became more and more predictable…AND as the competitionbecame slighty more difficult than the competiton played in the first half of the Big Ten schedule and during the entire ooc portion of the schedule in 2008.
This dunbar needs to step down now. He hurt this program…he hurt this team’s ability to compete and he is incredibly overpaid for what he has produced over the two seasons he has been hanging on around here.
Put a stop to the nonsense. Bring in an offensive coordinator who wants to play FOOTBALL on offense. This easty/westy, nickel/dimsey crap that this dunbar calls just doesn’t work right now with the players that this program has.
NO MORE throw away seasons or second halves of Big Ten schedules. If this brewster puts up with that inffective offense, it is time to run this brewster out of town on a rail too! IF something isn’t working you have to CHANGE it and FIX it. This brewster appears to be so dense he just doesn’t “get it…”
Well this brewster needs to get a clue. Dump this dunbar NOW. Bring in Browning and Shaw. And, if this brewster is too dense to do the obvious…get your tail in gear and bring in the offensive ooordinator you want to gamble your career at Minnesota on. This dunbar is going to get this brewster fired if he stays with him…and it will hapen sooner rather than later. This brewster had better find an offensive coordinator who will give him a fighting chance to survive for a contract extension. This dunbar is going to bring this brewster down…there is NO doubt about that.
It’s up to this brewster to make a move. No move is also a move. Live or die. Stay or go. Sink or swim.
3-13 at the 2 year mark in Big Ten play sucks. There won’t be many7 more chances to audition for this brewster. Stay with dunbar and sink. Pick a new ooc and at least tread water for a while. Bring in Browning and Shaw and GET IT DONE! This brewster needs to heed the warning or he will be running out of time before he knows it. This dunbar has failed. Replace him NOW.
Kent: why are you allowing people to do this?
tipsymcstager: You are out of line and you need to stop trashing this site. You have NO right to attack a poster the way you do.
You will stop this crass attack NOW.
The way Brewster was talking seems like our offense will be more west coast and less spread. Seems like a good change. Hire Norm Chow!
I fear there will be a lot of delay of game penalties and a lot of chaos on the field and in the huddle.
Quite simply, this dunbar needs to go. Too many cooks spoil the spread-coast/smash-mouth-passing-running-who is in charge offense that this brewster appears to kind of, sort of, maybe be gravitating to. Who will be in charge? Will all tough choices come down to this river boat gambling brewster himself after he has heard input from this davis and this dunbar? How many time outs will get spent trying to decide between the spreadsy-wedsy-smashey-mashy hands on the knees startsey-wartsy position or the hands down in the muck and mire=kicksey -tailsey philosophy of the three-headed offensive brain trust?
What is this offense? How many personalities will this offense have? Who the heck is going to be responsible here? Or do we come right after this brewster for imposing such a split-personality offensive system?
What this brewster needs to realize is that his future is NOW. He can’t afford many more Big Ten losses. Heck: he is 3-13 right now in Big Ten play. THAT is deeply in failure territory. This brewster had better get hmself into the weight room. He is going to need to get bigger, stronger and faster to make this convuluted system work.
Is he going to run a spreadsy/wedsy offense? A smash-mouth offense? Will he zone block? Will he put road grader blockers out there at 375 pounds per tackle? Will he be pulling guards and centers? What the heck is he going to do? Who is in charge? Does he know who he is…where he is…what he wants to do? How is this all going to work?
Oh well, it’s his neck. IF he wants to keep this dunbar around, he is most likely not going to get it togeter by just trying to mix some guy to put in a few running plays in a helter-skelter “spread meets smash” kind of deal. The spread=smash is the wave of the future…or a sign of confusion?
How many seasons will need to be thrown away until this two-headed monster can be run? He’ll have to get all of the types of players that this davis will need to run his systems and then continue to recruit dunbar’s style of players. All of this brewster’s supporters are really big on saying that a coach needs his own players to be expected to run his system. However, if it is “systems” how many players can each coach have of “their own?”
He still needs 5 Big Ten wins in 2009 to have ANY kind of chance to survive long-term. That would give him an 8-16 Big Ten record over all for 3 years. That would be a .33 winning percentage in Big Ten play. That would still suck, wouldn’ it? But, it would be a start.
The problem is, he needs Big Ten wins right away in the new stadium..and the schedule doesn’t set up very well for Big Ten wins in 2009
This brewstershould have ditched this dunbar and should have brought in Browning and Shaw to put a balanced offense into place. He is doing things the hard way, and I fear he will continue to learn the hard way.
The ACID test and the ONLY indicator will continue to be the number of Big Ten wins vs. the number of Big Ten losses that this brewster will achieve.
There can be NO arguing the numbers..they do not lie. They will not lie. They will tell us if this brewster sinks or swims, wins or loses or lives and dies as a career Big Ten coach. Big Ten coaches NEED to win lots of Big Ten games. Confusion in the play calling will translate into confusion on the football field…which tends to translate into Big Ten losses. This brewster needs Big Ten wins. This davis…this dunbar…this brewster: offensively will they be joined at the hip or will they be joined in mass confusion for offensive play calling on any given game day Saturday in 2009?
Like him or not, you have to admit Brewster is an extremely proactive coach. This Coach Davis hire is looking better and better.
Brewster put Coach Hill and the players on notice during Sids Radio show Sunday. Big bigger, stronger and tougher B4 the first game 2009. This week is nothing but the weight room and class.
He also stated that he will watch the film to see who left it on the field second half Iowa and who took plays off.
Brewster is a tough guy. I am still surprised he allowed Dunbar and his Sara Spread offense to take over. He has hired too other tough hombres as his sidekicks; Davis and Roof. Dunbar seems like one from the Odd Couple.
The message has been sent to coaches, players and recruits that the era of Sara Spread in its entirety is officially done with at Minnesota. And Brewster will not stay pat and will take steps to implement his plan.
Who knows what our offense will look like in the bowl game? Our opponent won’t have a clue either or what player they will line up against. I am anxious to see it.
Tex,
This brewster is JUST starting to realize that to win games in Big Ten play is the standard by which he will sink or swim…live or die…survive or be fired.
The big problem I see him having now is that he is going to try to put two totally different offensive schemes together in a very short period of time. He burned that 1-11season and it was littered with losses that did NOT have to be. IF he would have realized that in 2007 he would have to be able to run the ball and could have mixed in some spread formations he would probably not be in quite the life/death struggle he currently is in. I tried to tell him so…as did a number of other people. Anyone who has always hated this dunbar offense KNEW what would happen here…the 55-0 loss to iowa pretty much sums it all up.
55-0 at the hands of a middle of the road iowa team was a very chilling reality call for this brewster. It showed him that this cute little dunbar fiasco he has attempted to hitch his star upon was just killing him. He currently is in worse shape than the day he started offensively. Two wasted…pretty much thrown away seasons in the development of his offensive identity.
Now, he is going to try to mask the spread with the run. WHY didn’t he start with the philosophy that he would need to be able to run the ball in Big Ten play, and then work his cute little spreadsy stuff into his system as a little change up. He could have been recruiting players and utilizing players that were more suited to run the ball from day one IF…IF…IF ONLY he wouldn’t have thought he was a richrod/texastech/professional NFL position coach who knew everything there ever was to know about fancy, cute little offenses that trick and run around , to the coast lines (easty/westy) instead of running the ball north and south and moving the chains and eating the clock?
Maybe he could have been 6-6 or 7-5 in 2007. Then he wouldn’t be SO FAR behind the 8-ball headed into the 2009 season.
Now he is going to confuse all of his offensive players by trying to mix two totally different systems together.
Note to this brewstr: pick this davis approach and put everything you have into it. Ditch this dunbar NOW. Get rid of him. After two seasons he is bringing you down, big time. This dunbar, if you keep him around will be the chief cause of your eventual demise at the University of Minnesota. Ditch dunbar or get out of the Big Ten coaching business before you are put out of the Big Ten coaching business. This is ALL about total offensive philosophy. It is NOT just a matter of moving the qb directly under center once in a while. It’s MORE than just weight room stuff.
This brewster needs to realize that coaching a Big Ten team is not just recruiting and having other coaches do all his work for him. He needs to take charge. Set his own direction. And then, he will live or die as a Big Ten Coach based upon his results. He has NO MORE seasons to waste. 3-13 in Big Ten play really stinks.
You spuds are hilarious!:)
This keepthisbrewsterhonest: contrast by the renegade-why do you continually repeat yourself with 10 paragraph posts? We get it, this Dunbar needs to go and this Brewster has to win big ten games. How do you have so much time to repeat the same nonsense over and over again? I imagine most of us skip right over your posts so we don’t have to ask for those 15 minutes of our life back. It’s time for you to find a hobby.
jnelson … You may be the only person alive who has ever waded through one of those tedious, mindless blatherings. Hope you have learned your lesson now.
jnelson, my hobby is the art of contrast and THAT is a good thing to keep this brewster on his toes. This brewster must be challanged or we might as well turn TCF Bank Stadium into a soup kitchen for the homeless. Heck, we can turn the TCF Bottle Club into an AA meeting room so we can all sober up. This brewster needs to ditch this dunbar NOW! We need to hire Gordy Shaw and Mitch Browning so that we can get back to Big Ten football. This brewster better win atleast 5 Big Ten games next your or else he will be run out of town. You see nelly, my job here on this obscure blog is to contrast you kool aid drinkers and you booze drinkers. Drink all you want but I will always CONTRAST!
Some dirty tricks player is once again hijacking my moniker. I did not write this post dated November 26th, 2008 at 10:56 am.
Wren,
I thought your hobby was keeping house like a bitch while your wife slaves away at her job?
jnelson: I don’t want to see this brewster get a contract extension from this maturi when he has a 3-13 Big Ten record. Did YOU enjoy watching that iowa game? 55-0 screams out for some serious cage rattling within the Golden Gopher Football Offices. That was an outrage! Somebody needs to get the attention of this brewster and this maturi and this prexy b. This program is regressing WAY back in time and in results. There was NO excuse for what this brewster did with this program the last 1/2 of the Big Ten season in 2008 OR for what he did to the program in 2007.
HJe can fire a little line coach…but…unless he fires this dunbar, he is just making token moves that mean NOTHING. Golden Gopher Football nees a LOT more than this brewster is providing. 55-0 says it all.
There is one primary reason to fire a head football coach. That is when he proves incapable of upgrading the talent level through recruiting.
As long as the talent pool is improving, wins will follow.
This attributing all things in a football game to the hand of a coach somewhere on the sideline or up in the box is just shorthand for ignorance.
22 months after Brew was hired HIS era of pansy football is over? How nice.
Perhaps a lot of the faithful are trying to wipe the 55-0 debacle from the minds of the young and/or foolish.
Once again, as is very common with this coach, we are being asked to ignore the real stuff (football games) and get excited about the big talking and clear hype. (How does one hype a debacle? Do what the British do so well and hand out medals.)
Happy Thanksgiving to you Loon if you believe in the symbolic and traditional United States of America celebrations.
I am thankful for Gopher football and the many years of being a fan.
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