The view from California
Posted on December 1st, 2008 – 5:35 PMBy Kent Youngblood
Hello again.
Scott Wolf is the USC beat writer for the L.A. Daily News. He does a weekly Q & A with readers, and in today’s edition he talked about Tim Davis, the former USC assistant recently hired by the Gophers. I thought you guys might be interested in his take on why Davis left USC. Here is the question and Wolf’s answer:
Q: Seeing Tim Davis going to Minnesota. It’s been documented that Davis was no a big fan of Lane Kiffin. Did Kiffin backstabbing his way into the SC OC job force Davis to leave SC that same year ?
A: I’ve heard Kiffin was one reason (though not the only reason) for his departure and he grew tired of the behind the scenes drama. It was no secret he was not a Kiffin fan. It’s too bad for him because things didn’t work out with the Dolphins as anticipated and he didn’t coach last season.
That’s Wolf’s take on Davis’ decision to leave USC for Miami. Again, having called around a bit, I’ve heard nothing but good things about Davis’ coaching ability. He should be a good addition to the Minnesota program.
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99 Responses to "The view from California"
Thanks, Kent. Coach sounds like a real good find. Hope our lads flourish under his tutelage.
Interesting. Look forward to seeing Tim Davis work with the offense.
Kent,
This is why I check this blog constantly. I love that stuff. Its so ironic that this medium is both adding to and taking away from excellent reporting.
Thanks again.
JC
Kent, now how is wren(birdy) going to twist this?
The implication in the question is that Davis is OC material. Right now I think we have 3 highly motivated young coaches on staff, Brew/Roof/Davis, who all realize that this Gopher job is a way to put their names on the map. They all may have a chip on their shoulders. Those guys will be working round the clock. This all bodes well for the program. These three have the “fire in the belly.” Like I have said before, if we don’t get to the Rose Bowl with this crew, it won’t be for lack of effort.
Thanks for the continued updates Kent.
Tex, good point about the “fire” you see from these guys. It’s so refreshing from what we used to see from Mason. I hope Coach Brew continues to ignore the detractors out there and continue with his plan for success. I look forward to see what Coach Davis can add to the O-line and offensive game plan.
Good luck Gophs, light the “fire”!!
Thanks, Kent. That is very encouraging.
I hope when Texas Goph says young coaches are getting their name out there, he doesn’t really mean Brew…
Shooter in PioPress this morning (yes, Kent, I read both) predicts Brew will get a contract extention shortly - an important part of which will be raising the the buyout from $400k.
I’m back.
Tex, our coaches are young compared to JoePa and me, but pretty mature by some people’s standards. I hope they see your posting; if I’m not mistaken, Brewster’s 48, Roof is 45, and Davis is 49.
Go Gophers!
You can have your sacred extra 15 practices–for all the good it will do, but please stay home and save the school further embarrassment like what we have suffered in our last 4 games. Another creaming on national TV is just not worth it.
Oh yes, by ALL means this maturi and this prexy b should sign this brewster to a LONG, LONG contract extension. Add five years…add ten years….make it a LIFETIME deal! And, make DEMANDS that there will ever increasing ACT scores, players GRADUATING and that the program must NEVER run afoul of the NCAA rules and regulations, Big Ten guidelines and University of Minnesota expectations.
Don’t bother to put anything in there about Big Ten wins…or any kind of wins. Wins don’t matter. We don’t care if we ever win a Big Ten game again! Just collect that Big Ten paycheck and all will be fine! 7-5…1-11, it just doesn’t matter.
But,fantay high school football recruiting interest MUST remain high, extremely high.
It doesn’t matter if you lose to other Big Ten teams by 5 points or 55 points.
Yes, EXTEND this brewster forever! Make sure that the Minnesota fan base has him around for a long, long time. Twenty Five years would be GREAT! And, be sure to put a cola in his contract so that he can always be one of the top four paid coaches in the Big Ten. Sign this brewster on for life. NEVER let him leave.
Way to go prexy b and maturi. And, just remember, in case it doesn’t work out so well, you can always get another loan fro the General Fund ofthe University of Minnesota. There is always a LOT of money in that fund.
Jimbo—I think those ages are perfect for the jobs/situation. They realize it is now or never. They have all paid their dues and know that the clock is running. I like the direction the staff/players are heading. People who don’t see that, or want instant results, have probably never tried anything in their lives. This is a huge undertaking that will require a lot of work, talent, and luck.
I think its too early to extend Brewster as he has 3 years to go. Lets see what 09 brings.
Rev. Wayne, what is your problem with Joel Maturi. Since signing on in 2002 he has done a wonderful job as the AD of both the mens and womens programs. He brought football back to campus. He signed Tubby Smith. I really think you should give Joel some credit Rev. Wayne, perhaps it is time to take off your blinders and pour out that jug of bitter brew you call kool aid. Your followers are all dead or have wised up to your kookiness Rev. Wayne, you need to realize that this is not Guyana anymore Rev. Wayne. This is the REAL world. Get with the times Rev. Wayne.
stayhome—I am glad our team doesn’t share your loser attitude. Any competitor is going to want to play and again and redeem himself—even in the face of tough/long odds.
Yes, tex, obviosly there are NEVER any expectations here. THAT is the beauty of this thing. Renew AND extend a 3-13 Big Ten record in a contract. That is great. Make this a lifetime contract and realize that this is becoming a larger undertaking with each 29-6 and 55-0 loss and 84 to 6 combinaton loss in Big Ten play that happens at the end of the 2008 season! By all means prexy b and maturi…let’s make this contract extension a dumb…errrrrr….I mean a done deal!
“stayhome—I am glad our team doesn’t share your loser attitude.”
Tex, again I agree. Stayhome probably took his moniker because he probably stays home in his mommy’s basement.
I know the team wants another shot. There’s also the matter of the money the University will receive for playing in a bowl game.
I’m sure stayhome would want to turn that down if it was offered to him (heavy on the sarcasm there).
Let me get this straight, brewstAr comes in and in year 1 leads the Gophers to more losses in a season than ever before, while watching arrests and academic issues pile up. Year 2, he leads the team to their worst loss in over 100 years of history as the apex of 4 straight chokes. After all this, people are talking raise and extension???? Insanity is what it is. Just stay home and shut up and hope for the best next year.
bisker,
as other posters have mentioned, any bowl the Gophers go to this year, the payout will not even cover expenses. That is called a loss or a ‘loser.’
These peple are fantasy high school recruiting fanatics. They don’t have a clue how little these lower tier games pay and how much it costs to fly all the buddies o prexy b and some of the other hanger-on-types. They MIGHT rent afew busses for the band, and even that will cost a lot.
However, I am a firm believer that no matter what the circumstances and no matter what the game may be called or where it may be paid, going to a bowl game is MUCH better than NOT going to a bowl game. Since there are SO MANY bowl games, to NOT be invited to a bowl game is the WORST thing that could EVER happen in the year 2008. There is NOTHING bad about a bowl game.
Wins are GOOD. Losses hurt. Big Ten games count the MOST in terms of wins or losses.
By all means, the players NEED to erase the harmful effects of that 84 to 6 combined last two games in the Dome.
This brewster NEEDS to replace this dunbar IF he is about to receive a lifetime contract extension from this prexy b and this maturi. He had better beware though, they like to extend a contract and then buy it out the very next year! Fun and game with prexy b and this maturi…;0)
Just about every time you hear something Lane Kiffin, it isn’t good. There’s a pattern here.
Stayhome,
If you can’t get over the loss of 1 game then by all means “STAY HOME” & DON’T WATCH!!
This program doesn’t need people like you!!
Going from 1-11 to 7-5 is showing signs of improvement. Coach Brewster’s recruiting has shown and will continue to show improvement. You do realize that this IS only his second year? I guess you figure he should be playing for the national championship by now?
Again, if you can’t appreciate what is happening with this team, DON’T WATCH and go crawl back under your rock.
Bisker—and to just help your case, he has really only had one recruiting class.
Contract extensions-
Nebraska signed Callahan and then fired him with about 4 years left.
Colorado just extended Hawkins who took over a 7-6 team and is 13-24 (8-16)in tree seasons. Has 4 years on contract left.
Stanford is looking to extend Harbaugh who is 9-15 (7-11) in two seasons
Mangino at Kansas is signed through 2012 and had 3 winning records in 7 years and 2 winning conference records.
If the Gophers can do it, I would extend at the end of 2009 if deserving. Extend for one year, so University has to only pay two years off max and there is still some security.
Kiffin comes off as a brat and every interview I see of him, he never answers the question asked.
One loss? What could one loss tell a person? We are soo much better than we were last year.
In my rather long view of life people will believe what they want to believe. I tend to pain myself and many others by seeing what is there.
I have never been less interested in the football Gophers than I am now. Forty two years as an adult fan and we now have a pure “wait until two years from now” program. “Sure, we weren’t very good over the stretch this year. Sure, we got pounded into road kill by Iowa in our last game. But, none of that matters because our fantasy recruiting is doing so well.”
Sorry. I will stop by from day to day as I please, when I please. But, it is just not in my nature to see what is not there. That one game which followed the previous 23 games under Brewster was brutal past my love of the game that was. 55-0, at home, to Iowa and I am supposed to be so stupid that I am supposed to believe this program is in good hands so far as the only part of the game that really interests me: the football games.
I now think there is better than a 50-50 chance our program will be gutted in the next twelve months. A whole generation of fans will just walk away from this mess. As always, hope I am wrong. 55-0 was, or was not, one game. But, the really sad part for me was that I was really not surprised at all.
Stay Home Gophers says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
You can have your sacred extra 15 practices–for all the good it will do, but please stay home and save the school further embarrassment like what we have suffered in our last 4 games. Another creaming on national TV is just not worth it.
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I wish Wren would quit posting under other names, it makes it alot harder to ignore him.
I find it quite humorous that the Masonites are suddenly embarrased by being blown out by Iowa or Wisconsin. We always fair well in “trinket” games.
“I now think there is better than a 50-50 chance our program will be gutted in the next twelve months. A whole generation of fans will just walk away from this mess. As always, hope I am wrong.”
Loon, you hope your wrong? I don’t think so. I read many of your posts and have met many peolpe like you. Your the type of person that could never be happy (or at least what would pass for happy), unless you could be critical of others. Your negativity sucks!! If you truly believe yourself as a lifelong Gopher fan, you are delusional.
I write to act as a voice of reason between the so-called haters and those who are wearing permanent Maroon and Gold goggles.
First, let’s dispell the notion that the Gophers “Don’t need you.” In spite of what the ficticious term “Gopher Nation” implies, this program needs fans of all walks of life, including the doubters. If you need proof of this, I suggest attending pregame tailgaiting at any other D-I program in the country, and compare that to the ‘tent’ the Gophers are able to field each Saturday. So enough with this ‘either you’re with us or leave’ mentality, folks; my assumption is if someone is eager enough to participate in this blog, there probably is a piece of them inside that is a Gophers fan. We need those fans.
Second, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying the bowl Minnesota will play in, while at the same time acknowledging that this was not a successful season. Three weeks ago I thought it would be a successful season even if we dropped our last two to Wisconsin and Iowa. Then came 55-0; that changed everything. So we can enjoy the consolation game that we are given but at the same time we have to acknowledge that massive improvements are in order for 2009 in order for this program to move forward (even with the new stadium). Anyone who thinks that 2008 proved that we’re well on our way is wearing blinders.
Finally, I too find it odd that we’re talking about extending Brewster’s contract after he fired his O-line coach. Maturi’s already 2-for-2 on major contract buyouts, do we really want a situation where he could be in line for a third? My opinion: let’s see where we are a year from now…if the program picks up steam next year, then we can talk extension.
derek: I find it incredibly informative that YOU now LOVE being blown out by iowa and you make EVERY excuse in the world for this brewster’s failureds. He LOST that team…offense and defense…during that iowa game. He did NOT have them ready to go. He did NOT make any kind of adjustments. He just flat-out got the crap kicked out of those kids and they had NO clue what he wanted them to do. HE had NO clue what HE wanted them to do either. That was the ugliest Gopher Game I have EVER seen and I have seen a LOT of ugly Gopher Games.
derek: 2009 will see a decrease in Gopher wins unfortunately. This brewster is totally over-matched. Now you brewster apologists are trying to say that really this brewster has only had one recruiting class. (False claim by this texas gopher character). Sorry, this brewster has been on the time clock for entirely too long already and HE was the dude who oversay the Feb. 2007 and th Feb. 2008 recruiting classes.
I will now call you dereek-off, since you are part of the d_a_c-off and the leek-off joined at the hip unholy trinity. One in the same. Each persona sadly, sickly, suckering and attempting to push the company line of brewsterism as a company line. 84 to 6 and counting…
Loon.
We rarely agree on anything other than we both hate Dunbars Sara Spread Offense. No one is happy with the Iowa performance but Gopher fans have been there B4 with Masonball so certainly not surprised. The vast majority of Brewster supporters realize there is a lot of work ahead.
Your doomsday outlook is not surprising and certainly is not a common thread amongst fans. Most are happy to be rid of Masonball and some, unlike yourself. Many see and happen to like Brewster’s plan and share a portion of his endless optimism(sp).
Sorry there Loon. No one can win here with the talent and experience of the current roster. So what should Brewster’s main focus be other than recruiting. And fans realize that as well.
Be sad Loon if you wish. I choose to remain excited and can’t wait for the bowl game.
I disagree whole-heartedly with Loon’s assessment that he’s never been less interested in Gophers football.
Two words: new stadium. It doesn’t cure everything, of course, but there is reason to be optimistic on that basis alone…
Bisker, Tex, Derek, DAC, and a few others, thanks for not being like these other d-bags. I sincerely like the two of you and your input.
But “this” Wren and “this” Loon absolutely drive me crazy. By the way guys, when did recruiting become a fantasy? Are you telling me that Brandon Green isn’t real? Because I swear I saw him on the field this season. Is Simoni Lawrence a fantasy too? Is the fumble he picked up and carried in to the end zone against Illinois part of the same fantasy? Maybe I’m taking drugs and I don’t even know it.
grunk, those recruits might be real…but 55-0 was also very real.
I don’t remember Glen Mason, or any other coach in the program’s history for that matter, bringing in any player that would render a 55-0 loss to a conference opponent a “reality”. Granted, that statement is now false because many of the players on the field that day were, in fact, recruited by Mason…but I think it’s safe to say that 55-0 would not have happened if the game was coached by Glen Mason.
So that’s all I’m saying. The fantasy-reality bit works both ways.
Jason, you are right,
I don’t remember Glen Mason, or any other coach in the program’s history for that matter, bringing in any player that would render a 55-0 loss to a conference opponent a “reality”. Granted, that statement is now false because many of the players on the field that day were, in fact, recruited by Mason…but I think it’s safe to say that 55-0 would not have happened if the game was coached by Glen Mason.
All Mason would do is tie the record for largest comeback by an opponent in bowl history, (Texas Tech, his last year.
grunk,
apparently in Loon’s world, college players just magically appear and aren’t really recruited. No one could possibly build any football program by recruiting (again, heavy on the sarcasm).
I always tried to support Mason with the recruits he would get, and yes some turned out very well. But the job Coach Brew and his crew are doing now blows what Mason did out of the water.
“But the job Coach Brew and his crew are doing now blows what Mason did out of the water.”
Where is the basis for that statement?
I surely hope that statement refers to recruiting only, because there’s absolutely no evidence that Brew and his staff’s coaching abilities blow Mason out of the water.
Look, I’m no Mason apologist–I agreed it was time for him to go…and yes, the Texas Tech comeback was the straw that broke the camel’s back. However, to compare that loss to 55-0 is a joke–at least with Texas Tech, we lost by a field goal to a team that, as it turns out, had the makings of competing for a national championship. The 55-0 loss to Iowa was an out-of-nowhere spanking by a rival with a 7-4 record. There is simply no excuse for such a game; no matter the coach, no matter the recruits, no matter the circumstances. That’s the kind of stuff that happens to Miss. State and Baylor–do we really want to be in that group?
The Texas Tech game was nearly 2 years ago, Bisker.
The constant references to Mason are tiresome and no lomger relevant.
In 30 days, it will be 2 years since Glen Mason was fired. This is Tim Brewster’s team now. Brewster’s team was 1-11 his first year, and 7-5 his second year. That’s called progress, sports fans.
GO GOPHERS!!
Jimbo, if you mean progress from the 2007 season to the 2008 season, then I totally agree.
If you mean progress since the end of the Mason regime, I cannot agree.
GO GOPHERS
Jason, I do mean from 2007 to 2008, of course. In nearly all cases, new coaches have miserable first years as the install their own schemes and recruit their own players. Improvement in the win column is the only true test of progress for a coach. I expect improvement next year over this year.
I was tired of mediocrity. I have dreams of a better program. I think we’re on the right track.
GO GOPHERS!!
Jason,
I did mean only in recruiting on the afformentioned statement, but I believe Coach Brewsters team’s will eclipse what Mason was able to do on the field as well.
Jimbo, I do agree that it is time to move on past the Mason references. I only made the point about the Texas Tech game because people are so fixated by the Gophers loss to Iowa that they can’t see the forest through the trees.
Coach Brewster has only had 1 full year of recruiting but has brought back some hope of more than mediocrity. His second full class looks full of promise too. I agree that we are on the right track and will to continue to support Coach Brewster and his vision.
Go Gophs!!
What was or is this thing called “Masonball”? How is our play under Brewster like our play under Mason? Under Mason we played well against other teams almost all the time. Now, we stink. How many three and outs did we have this year on O?
Our football team is now worse than it was under the previous coach and that is at the end of the second year, not the first.
No gunk, you are trying to sell a product, there is no way you will ever see the product you are trying to sell as being less than “an exciting” product.
That isn’t the firt time I have heard those types of stories about Kiffin.
I’m excited to see what Davis can bring to the program.
Go Gophs!
Loon, I’ll try a different approach for explaining my issue with you calling recruiting a fantasy.
The definition of the word fantasy is an imagined or conjured up sequence of events.
So like I said, these guys show up on campus and play football. Therefore, recruiting is not a fantasy.
If you want to discount the ability of a scout or college coaches to spot talent that is your perogative. But pretending like recruiting doesn’t exist and players just appear on campus implies that you have unresolved psychological problems.
At a minimum you have a small vocabulary and could stand to benefit from buying a dictionary.
We all might not like the way the season ended, but when you are building a pgm the right way, there will be bumps in the road. Brewster is a 2nd yr. head coach and he is learning too, but when he sees something that needs to be fixed, so he has acted. Some are right, nexdt yr. we might have a better and deeper team and not have a better record, but we will have to wait and see if there is progress. I feel that we must give the guy 2 more yrs. If no real improvement then the 3 amigos can say they were right, if there is we can tsell them to go to hell.
You can’t panic with the Iowa game, nobody at TT is going to fire their coach because of a blow out nor is Oregon State. Sometimes when things start going bad it snowballs and you have to regroup, but you don’t jump ship, you try to get it to the dock and patch the hole.
If you don’t think positive you won’t succeed.
grunkiejr, just remember that this individual claims he was a high school teacher. Wouldn’t you be pleased to have him teaching YOUR child?
As the losses mount, the story will become less and less confused by these gh fantasy kids…these off-spring of the g. hole…those dirty old tricksters…some of which have crashed and burned all for their love of dishoesty. They have sprung a terrible leek…a leek-off, so to speak. Next year, a 5-7 record will be spun somehow, but the spinners will be spun so dizzily they will gunk-off, and bisk-off and d_a_c-off and leek-off and d-off. They will back-off and slack-off. It will then be time for this brewster to bring in new coordinators who most likely will also won’t know jack…as Big Ten coaches tee-off on some other hastily brought in offensive guru that was supposed to have enabled this brewster to be a real run-loving hard-nosed-hard-running, yet, fancy, dancy football guy. Is he coming or going, this brewster’s not kowing if the roof caved in or if it was the day that his offense rushed for ten and the earth literally stood still. Was it the year 8406 when he couldn’t move the sticks? Or was it really just a few weeks ago when the o-line coach had to go?
Unfortuantely he will have stuck with this dunbar’s sissy offense until it was all done and all over and entirely too late.
And bisk-off and tex-off and d-off and d_a_c-off have all leek-off’d and will have slunk’d-off back to the website formerly known as gh until it was off’d too. And Jason and Dave can bloody-well behave better than any of their nasty “off-spring”
Just watch the 2009 season. If the wins dip below 7, as I fear they will, the beginning of the end of this brewster will be sooner rather than later and much nearer than further away. If the wins dip to five, the brew-crew will not thrive. The recruits of which they rave will most likely prove not to save the bad-trip that they thought would be great. At five and seven it would be one more and would most likely be undone for this nation of brew-brow-beaters fantasy high school football recruiting ranking addicts.
So, does anyone have any clue who the new prexy will be? The new ad? The new football coach? I haven’t started my list yet. prexy b is too long of tooth, this maturi is short on football sense and this brewster was done in by this dunbar. This dunbar’s offense was his entirely too offensive offense that could never survive and prosper in the Big Ten. The spread is spreading itself too thin and unless the rules start resembling fa-out rules of flag-ball, eventually the spread will give way. Say what you will, but, Minnesota plays in the Big Ten Conference. The Big Ten is down right now, but, the Big Ten writes the checks that this prexy b and this maturi craved. Losses of 55 to 0 administered by the hands of a hawk on the wing signify an indignity that can NEVER be tolerated. This brewster spoke like a frustrated power-running wanna be when he talked about all this new offensive line coach was going to do for his LONG wanted power running game. Sounds like this dunbar needs to be on his way out to me. Sounds like this brewster doesn’t know WHAT he wants. Recruit, recruit recruit. No ability to coach up the players. Confusion. Distraction. No discipline.
Somehow, one gets the feeling that what the administrators deserve, they will get. Remember that scholarship will be VITAL to this program. Scholarship…that’s right d_a_c-off. Scholarship will tell the tale in the fullness of time. Scholarship is what it will be when all is said and done. Football players NEED to be scholars too regardless of what the d_a_c-offs of the world would like to believe. There ARE minimum standards and those requirements will rule and influence the future of an entire program. The “a…b…c’s are mightier than the spread…” when all is said and done.
Jimbo says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 pm
The Texas Tech game was nearly 2 years ago, Bisker.
The constant references to Mason are tiresome and no lomger relevant.
In 30 days, it will be 2 years since Glen Mason was fired. This is Tim Brewster’s team now. Brewster’s team was 1-11 his first year, and 7-5 his second year. That’s called progress, sports fans.
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And 55-0, is that progress too, SFBs?
What Littlebigboy says is true. Every game is a sequence of plays that are somewhat dependent upon the previous play(s). If the offense makes something happen the defense doesn’t have to play the entire first half and they make a few plays. If the special teams doesn’t muff punts the defense gets a breather and we don’t give Iowa all of the momentum.
Is Iowa 55 points better than Minnesota? They were that day but that is about the worst game we could have played and about the best that Iowa could have played.
What I don’t understand is the constant Mason/Brewster comparisions. I don’t see how it is relevant. Brewster is here and Mason is not. Mason turned the program around and brought us to a lot of second tier bowls but couldn’t take the next step. For what Mason did I am grateful.
Brewster was hired to try to get us over the hump. We’re not there. In fact we are just back to going to a second tier bowl game.
Should Brewster resign as Wren has suggested? It would be stupid to resign because of one game. Sometimes you get knocked down in life but you have to get back up and fight. I don’t see how Brewster’s vision is not intact. Did Ferentz quit when his team lost 31-0 to a 5-6 (2-6) Illinois team that finshed 9th in the Big Ten in Ferentz second season as coach of Iowa? No, and the Hawkeyes are probably pretty thankful he stayed.
This is the most inchorent dribble I have ever read in my life. I can’t find a single coherent thought in the entire paragraph….
Wren:
as the losses mount, the story will become less and less confused by these gh fantasy kids…these off-spring of the g. hole…those dirty old tricksters…some of which have crashed and burned all for their love of dishoesty. They have sprung a terrible leek…a leek-off, so to speak. Next year, a 5-7 record will be spun somehow, but the spinners will be spun so dizzily they will gunk-off, and bisk-off and d_a_c-off and leek-off and d-off. They will back-off and slack-off. It will then be time for this brewster to bring in new coordinators who most likely will also won’t know jack…as Big Ten coaches tee-off on some other hastily brought in offensive guru that was supposed to have enabled this brewster to be a real run-loving hard-nosed-hard-running, yet, fancy, dancy football guy. Is he coming or going, this brewster’s not kowing if the roof caved in or if it was the day that his offense rushed for ten and the earth literally stood still. Was it the year 8406 when he couldn’t move the sticks? Or was it really just a few weeks ago when the o-line coach had to go?
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What are you trying to say Wren?
I’ll bet that an additional 4 touchdowns would have pushed Ferentz out the door! I am sure that the loyal hawkeye fans would have been screaming bloody murder at a 55-0 thrashing at the hands of Illinois ANY day.
You are spinning so fast you are geting dizzy gunk-off.
You have GOT to let long-time fans feel outrage at a horrible beating at the hands of a border battle foe. THAT was the WORST game I have EVER seen. There was NOTHING from Minnesota to answer iowa…NOTHING. For that, this brewster should at least have offered his resignation. That there is no outrage from you brewster apologists tells me that you don’t even care. That was iowa that did that. Do you people understand? That was stinking iowa… this brewster should have at LEAST offered his resignation.
Bisker says,
“apparently in Loon’s world, college players just magically appear and aren’t really recruited.”
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No, even illegal border jumpers and wrenclowns know that good recruiting is the only way you build a football team. They just resent the heck out of anyone stating anything positive about the future of the program. They cannot stand that and will turn all positives looking forward into a sham by referring to “fantasy” recruits.
There is just no reason to try to analyze these nattering nabobs of negativity. They believe Gopher football should belong to Glen Mason and no one else. They are kind of like the guy who shoots his wife when she asks for divorce. His reasoning is that if he can’t have her nobody else will either.
“How many three and outs did we have this year on O?”
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Far too many. Thus the need to recruit better athletes. The offensive line was poor all season and the quarterback was not good enough to utilize the weapons he had. That’s not a good combination.
gunk-off: you gh (gopherhole) spinn-off types like kelly leeks (leek-off) will just have to realize that I’m having a little fun with this prediction of the downfall of the brewcrew and their efforts to turn everything this brewster does into a positive. Well, unless the Big Ten wins start happening in bigger numbers, the win/loss totals will drive this brewster out the door.
This kelly leeks (leek-off) likes to play a number of parts in a drama…as you know from your gh days gunk-off. I’m having some fun with you brew crew-offs Be confused. It’s all good.
“This is the most inchorent dribble I have ever read in my life. I can’t find a single coherent thought in the entire paragraph….
What are you trying to say Wren?”
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Wren … Thanks for elaborating.
Wren, if you missed it I said that in one of the threads in recent days that I’m glad we have a bowl game because that Iowa game left a really bad taste in my mouth. The Hawkeyes exploited our shortfalls and problems better than anybody else could all season (and Weber’s was really off on some of his passes).
I hope the loss gives the coaches more resolve to fix those problems with recruiting and better coaching. My natural state was to look at who we have coming in as as an improvement from what we have. To me a new recruit is easier to see than faith that coaches will do a better job coaching and players will do a better job executing.
I know you have said that Meyer was a scapegoat but you have to admit that the line did not improve throughout the season. You can blame part of that on Dunbar or you can blame Dunbar’s inability to have success on the line coach. They probably both have something to do with it but I’m happy to get a change at one place (that doesn’t have a buyout clause) and watch to see if there is improvement in the bowl and next season. Hopefully we see a much better team in the bowl game and we can all feel a little better heading in to next fall.
Insight Bowl is going to suck…….again.
11 losses, 55-0, 0-8 in Big Ten play. These are accomplishments that will keep Brewsters name embedded in the record books forever. I can not find anywhere in the media guide which coach had the highest ranked recruiting class. It still comes down to what happens on the field. It has been said that the program was stagnate and going nowhere so we needed a change. Others said that we gave up to many big LEADS. Well know matter how you cut it we are at the bottom looking up and the only thing to get excited about is the recruiting classes that need time to grow up and get experience. We do need every fan to show up for Gopher games whether they are all on board or just a little on board. Those of you who want to chase of anyone who does not see it your way are just as much at fault for where we are right now as the ones who are saying it is not working. You just want to be correct in your assesment that a change needed to be made and it is not looking so good right now. There is no right or wrong group right now. Brewster will have his 3 years to return the program its respectable past. If he has not done this by the end of his third year he will be gone. There are more and more fans stepping back away from the football program and without the new stadium next year I believe you would have seen another decline in attendance.
Bud: “There is no right or wrong group right now.”
Very true. Brewster may or may not be the solution to our long term problem and we need more time to make that determination. I have always posted here that Brewster has a very difficult challenge to reach the goals he has set for the program. But he has raised the bar and so has, or did, the Administration.
A couple of things. I would guess the majority of the fans would have been pleased going into the season with a trip to bowl game and 7-5. Well, that has happened. The performance of the last four games has diminished that accomplishment as the guys were in a position to win two of them but didn’t. 9-3 would sound awful good right now.
I disagree with the three year thing. Year one was a disaster, year two a bowl game. Barring a total disaster in year three, Brewster earns four and likely five years to improve the program/results.
I don’t believe fans truly expect to compete for the BT title every year. Other than OSU & Michigan, its been proven how difficult it is to average 5 BT wins. But being in contention for a BT crown at least once a decade should not be out of the question and averaging at lesst four BT wins a season.
Yes, attendance was down (48,958) about 3,000/game from 07 (51,791) and 06 (52,207. But if you take a closer look, you will see that attendance was spiked mainly due to having NDSU on the schedule for two years. Replace the 63,000 tickets sold with the usual 40-43,000, then the averages the past four years have been in the 49,000 range. In reality, there hasn’t been a decline in attendance.
A strong bowl game will bode well for the program.
To add on to Bayfield’s comments, the attendance was very good for the Northwestern, Michigan, and obviously Iowa game. The attendance being down on the year is more relective of a 1-11 season last year and slow sales for a cupcake schedule. The Big Ten scheduled the Gophers to play the month of October on the road to avoid Twins playoff games. During that road trip the Gophers beat Illinois & Purdue which created interest in the team. Had the Gophers won the Illinois game in the first week of the season people would have gotten excited earlier in the year and bought tickets earlier in the year.
Even if the Gophers were still playing in the Metrodome the ticket sales would have been up in 2009 with non-conference games against Air Force and Cal which are actually intriguing match ups. Win those early games and it would create a buzz that we haven’t seen in the preseason in Minnesota in a long while. Lose those games and the interest could go down hill although fans would be more forgiving of Cal than Air Force.
I do agree with Bud that there is no group right now that is right or wrong. I told the Masonites they were getting WAY too excited during the 2007 season. The Brewsterites were also getting way too excited after a 7-1 start. I even said at that point we’ll only win 1 or 2 more games.
The Masonites fail to see the weak senior and junior class given to Brewster. After that rape case and JC players not coming, Brewster had very little upperclassmen to work with.
At the sametime the Brewsterites fail to see that the Sophmore and Freshmen classes given to Brewster were strong classes.
I know people from both sides will try to rip me apart but that’s the way it goes. Next year will really show the direction this program is going. 2009 will show how good of a coach Brewster really is. I still think next year we should be a very good team.
And as for expectations for the program…I don’t want to compare the coaches but to set expectations for the Brewster era you have to start by looking at where we were in the Mason era and why Mason was fired.
The Gophers have generally finished 3rd to 8th place in the Big Ten for a number of years. In the best years (1999, 2003) the Gophers won about 9 games and finished 3rd in the Big Ten. Overall we typically played in the 5th (Sun Bowl now Champ’s) or 6th (Music City now Insight) best bowl because we would get jumped for “teams that travel better.” The administration fired Mason and set the expectation that we have to do better than perpetually playing in the 5th or 6th Big Ten Bowl.
Therefore, the expectations for Brewster to meet are at a minimum to take us to a better bowl than Champ’s Sports–the current equivalent of the Sun Bowl.
If you look at the rest of the Big Ten the only teams that have been able to consistently compete for Big Ten titles are Ohio State and Michigan. Although they won this year, not even Penn State is included in this group. The hope for the rest of the Big Ten is to perennially finish 3-5 most years and to put together a team that can make a run for the Big Ten title every five years or so. Iowa and Wisconsin have been in this group and except for a few bad years earlier this decade Penn State has been there since entering the Big Ten. Other teams like Illinois, Northwestern, and Purdue have been able to put together Rose Bowl teams in the last 13 years but they have not consistently been #3-6 in the conference.
My expectation for the Gophers, and I think most Gopher fans aspirations, are to fit in to the 3-6 group and make a run for the Rose Bowl every few years when the pieces fall in to place.
The next question is what is the timeline for this coach to get there. Obviously it doesn’t happen in a year or two. Alvarez and Ferentz both had bad to mediocre seasons in years 1-3 and followed it up with a trip to the Rose Bowl (or Orange Bowl because the Rose Bowl was hosting the National Championship) in their fourth year. I don’t think the expectation for Brewser is a Rose Bowl in 2010 but I think we certainly have to give him until 2010 and judge his body of work at that time unless we take a major step back next year (3-9 or worse is major). If we are not at least 8-4 in either 2009 or 2010 I would say that Brewster has not improved where we are. However, if we are 6-6 to 7-5 and win at least 3 conference games in both years I wouldn’t fire him but he would be on the hot seat to improve the team in 2011.
I think those are reasonable expectations for the program and it takes in to account that we have tougher non-conference schedules coming up.
Wow, that was long…Cliff note version.
Brewster must improve our bowl positioning to make the Alamo Bowl or better.
Gopher fans should aspire to be a Rose Bowl contender every few years when the pieces fall in to place.
I expect to win at a minimum 6 games each of the next two years and if we are not 8-4 by 2010 Brewster is on the hot seat in 2011. As long as we don’t have a major step back in 2009 or 2010 (3-9 or worse) Brewster gets to play out his contract to 2011.
grunkiejr.
Sign me up. Well stated.
There is a lot of over-analyzing going on here.
It is very, very simple. If he continues to improve the talent level he stays. If the talent level reaches a point (but isn’t high enough) and plateaus, then you START TO LOOK for someone who is a better recruiter to replace him. You do not knee-jerk fire the coach to replace him with another Xs and Os guy who can draw on paper but can’t get MAC players to win in the Big Ten.
This is not complicated. Minnesota has been down for 40 years. We are a market saturated with professional sports. It is very, very, very difficult to bring in real talent.
There are thousands of football coaches and a handful of recruiters who can sell a vision.
I expect to win at a minimum 6 games each of the next two years and if we are not 8-4 by 2010
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WOW…..such lofty expectations!!!!!!!!
david_allen_coe says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 am
There is a lot of over-analyzing going on here.
It is very, very simple. If he continues to improve the talent level he stays. If the talent level reaches a point (but isn’t high enough) and plateaus, then you
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Talent level–BS! How is this working out for fat charlie weis? He has all the talent in the world and he can’t do squat with it because just like our own mouth brewster, fat charlie can’t coach!
A great coach would have a guy like Cruding at left guard. And he would have a guy like wrenbawl at right guard. With those two on either side, he could be assured that Loon’s flask would be well guarded.
Cruding … You are correct. Fat Charlie can’t coach because he doesn’t relate to college kids and does not motivate them. Talent will not help him.
Brewster does motivate college kids and has proved that. There is nothing to indicate Brewster is not a decent coach. And, like all good head coaches, he is building a good staff.
Get this through your head, wino — there are thousands of coaches. Most of them can do a good job if you give them the horses. There are not that many who can get the horses at a down program and then run with them.
Get back to watching Loon’s flask.
grunkiejr says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Bisker, Tex, Derek, DAC, and a few others, thanks for not being like these other d-bags. I sincerely like the two of you and your input.
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Likewise. It’s nice to have a few other people on the board who actually understand the game and where the team really is.
Jason says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:11 pm
“But the job Coach Brew and his crew are doing now blows what Mason did out of the water.”
Where is the basis for that statement?
I surely hope that statement refers to recruiting only, because there’s absolutely no evidence that Brew and his staff’s coaching abilities blow Mason out of the water.
Look, I’m no Mason apologist–I agreed it was time for him to go…and yes, the Texas Tech comeback was the straw that broke the camel’s back. However, to compare that loss to 55-0 is a joke–at least with Texas Tech, we lost by a field goal to a team that, as it turns out, had the makings of competing for a national championship. The 55-0 loss to Iowa was an out-of-nowhere spanking by a rival with a 7-4 record. There is simply no excuse for such a game; no matter the coach, no matter the recruits, no matter the circumstances. That’s the kind of stuff that happens to Miss. State and Baylor–do we really want to be in that group?
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I support whoever is the coach of the gophers. That said, I don’t know if Brewster is the right hire or not. I do know that 55-0 is not acceptable nor will it ever be. I also remember plenty of blowout losses to Iowa and Wisconsin during Mason’s years. Few selected individuals ignore that fact.
Also, if anyone is going to discuss 07 they may want to acknowledge we had D2 talent.
Recruiting says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
I expect to win at a minimum 6 games each of the next two years and if we are not 8-4 by 2010
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WOW…..such lofty expectations!!!!!!!!
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Were you in the famous bathroom???
Speaking of the bathroom incident…..
It wasn’t surprising at all. Everyone knows that swine are not monogamous.
If Brewster wins only 6 games next year he would definetly be on the hot seat. I know the schedule is tougher but next year this team should be able to compete with anyone in the Big Ten.
gold04, I agree that this team should be more competitive next year (Ohio State & Penn State may be exceptions), but I don’t believe Coach Brewster would be on the hot seat with only 6 wins. It will be a much tougher schedule, including the non-conference.
That being said, I feel that the Gophers will be 8-4 minimum. They should be deeper at WR & the OL should be much improved. The Gophs have what appears to be another very good recruiting class and has the potential to be great, i.e. McNeal, Lewan, Jeremy Gainer and Kenneth Watkins. They also have players in Maresh, Carufel, Royston, & Grey who will be available.
It’s nice to see the excitement that is being generated. Go Gophs!!
I’ll add that Penn State has a ton of seniors so they probably won’t be as good next year. The same thing is true about Ohio State but they are still Ohio State and being “not as good next year” is still being pretty damn good.
Bisker,
I agree with you that the Gophers should be 8-5 at minimuim next year but no one else can see that.
david_allen_coe says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
Cruding … You are correct. Fat Charlie can’t coach because he doesn’t relate to college kids and does not motivate them. Talent will not help him.
Brewster does motivate college kids and has proved that. There is nothing to indicate Brewster is not a decent coach. And, like all good head coaches, he is building a good staff.
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They looked pretty motivated when they were getting their skulls kicked in 55-0 didn’t they?
david_allen_coe says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
Cruding … You are correct. Fat Charlie can’t coach because he doesn’t relate to college kids and does not motivate them.
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On second thought, retarded, if what you say is true, HTF does he get them to comit to ND? You are a real f@@king brain surgeon, aren’t you?
gold04 says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Bisker,
I agree with you that the Gophers should be 8-5 at minimuim next year but no one else can see that.
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WTF? Not long ago you had them in the title game next year??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Jimbo says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Speaking of the bathroom incident…..
It wasn’t surprising at all. Everyone knows that swine are not monogamous.
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Yet you remain married to the sow! Admirable! Is it because of children from a late litter?
Recruiting says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Jimbo says:
December 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Speaking of the bathroom incident…..
It wasn’t surprising at all. Everyone knows that swine are not monogamous.
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Yet you remain married to the sow! Admirable! Is it because of children from a late litter?
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I guess we struck a nerve with Pigeon Steve. I’m still to this day amazed at his obsession with the Gophers. From trashing them on every rivals site, to this site, to calling in to the Sunday show, it is quite the feat. It must be personaln for him. Poor little pigeon.
So gunk and bayfield, the new “goal” is to go 6-6 for the next couple of years and then see how 2011 goes? And we send Coach Brewster and his trusty band of elite coaches out to recruit next year with or without a new contract?
News flash, no one can recruit without at least a two year contract. If you did not learn that with your Mason fiasco you did not learn anything. Either Brewster’s contract is extended by next October or we are going to be in big trouble.
Joel, the idiot, Maturi will renew the Brewster Era at the drop of a hat. An ‘encouraging loss’ in our bowl game will be more than enough. Let us say, 42-10 to Kansas.
Your daily adjusted minimum standard for getting rid of “mediocrocy” will then look like this:
2007 1-11
2008 7-6
2009 6-6
2010 6-6
2011 5 Big Ten wins or else
In 2011 Brewster will still have two years left on his contract and we would then buy him out if he does not have the same five Big Ten wins that Mason had.
Thanks for the ride guys, I just wish you had been upfront about how low your higher expectations would be. We are now in the fifth year of your “let us get rid of Mason so we can go to a January bowl game” campaign and we are now entering the “we will not know for three more years if this guy is any good” stage. Outstanding. Great plan.
New stadium, worse team, expectations very limited, contract extension around the corner, three more years of evaluating to come, big buyout at the end of 2011 season if all does not go according to this exciting plan.
Just OUTSTANDING!
You gave Mason 10 years to average 3 Big Ten wins!
Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Compared to your ten year plan for Mason this is indeed outstanding and a great plan.
This brewster is coming in at 1.5 Big Ten wins per season and we both know that he can’t win.5 games…so, he is averaging 1 Big Ten win a year. You rounded Mason down from 3.2 to 3 Big Ten wins per year…So, that’s the way it will be. This brewster is only averaging 1 Big Ten win a year for a couple of years. You play the round down game with a .2 and what goes around comes around with a .5.
No partial games ever count Bayfield.
You know and I know Bayfield that this brewster will be lucky to win 6 games in 2009 and most likely the total will by 4 or 5 wins total in 2009. So, I see this bayfield winning at most 2 Big Ten games in 2009. He would then be unfortuante enough to average 1.67 Big Ten wins a year…but you know our rule here Bayfield…we’d have to round that 1.67 Big Ten wins per year down to 1 Big Ten win a year. I don’t see how this brewster is EVER going to move any closer than 2 less Big Ten wins per year than Mason used to average for a ten year period.
Big Ten Win hump-day for this brewster is not going to matreialize in my life-time Bayfield. He is NEVER going to get over the hump and get to that magical 3 Big Ten wins per season high water mark established by coach Mason. He has proved in the NU games that it is impossible to win half a bgame, two thirds of a game or any partial game. You have got to win them based upon WHOLE game results.
I challenge this maturi to go ahead and extend this brewster for seven or eight more seasons right now Bayfield. Don’t you think that would be a GREAT idea. And they should pay him a LOT more than they currently are. Since he is getting so many LESS Big Ten wins than Mason did, it is obvious that this brewster should have a NICE cola added in to his NICE 7 or 8 year contract extension. How could anyone expect him to hold up to the bashing and mobbing that he is going to be subjected to for winning so FEW Big Ten football games unless they pay him a LOT more for losing ALL those Big Ten football games?
Loon, you already have the score of the Insight Bowl before it’s been played? Hmmm…impressive. BTW, the loon is an overrated bird.
Wren. Don’t you have some Christmas shopping to do rather than spend time coming up with a bunch of wacky numbers? I suppose you were one of the goofballs who lined up hours B4 the stores opened last Friday.
If you read my post, I refuted Buds three year and out plan. Even you would admit thats a wacky plan. After all, Brewster went 7-5 which was a typical Mason like season in his second season which was too your liking for ten years.
How many times do I need to tell you I give a future coach up to five years Wren. I too learned my lesson by giving the last guy seven years and all he could do was give us 3 BT wins. You with all your wisdom gave the guy a decade!!
I, unlike you, try to keep it simple. Win 4 or more BT games a year. But I will try your silly math. Your guy Mason won 1, 2, 5, 4, 2 or a total of 14 BT games in his first 5 years and average 2.8 wins. So Brewster needs to average 3.8.
So there it is.
This brewster just is NOT getting it done. He screwed himself with that throw away first season. the nails were pounded into his wooden box during that 2007 season. Go ahead and give him five, but the dude is NOT going to get it done.
The big Ten will come after him with a vengence in 2009 because they are like sharkes in the water and they can taste the blood.
Old zookster is going to really be coming under the gun at Illinois and he is going to have to make Minnesota a personal target when Illinois and this juice character come into the new stadium in November. This zookster and this juice really smacked and stunk the joint out in 2008. Minnesota is a game thoey have to feel that they could have and should have won that they really sucked in and ended up losing. It became a microcosm of their incredibly horrible season at Illinois.
Nu’s Fitzgerald KNOWS that he owns this brewster. He knows that this brewster will make some dumb move that will HAND the game to UN down in Evanston in 2009, just the way this brewster handed NU the game in 2007 in Evanston and again in 2008. This brewster should not even appear on the sidelines down in Evanston next September.
The Cali coach will be looking to smack this dunbar offense upside the head when California comes calling. He didn’t think much of this dunbar after a very short period of time when this dunbar was on his staff and he will not be giving the very predictable dunbar any breaks on September 19th when he has to bring his cali team into the upper Mid-west for a game at TCF BANK STADIUM. Cal will be looking to give this dunbar a very rude awakening on that day.
wisky really sucks, but their eating-disorder sound alike coach has been very lucky against this brewster and this brewster and he are both immature brats who lioke the sounds of their own voices and both fancy themselves to be quite the little recruiters. Neither coach may manage to win that game in October when wisky becomes the first Big Ten opponent to appear at TCF BAMK STADIUM. This berwster had BETTER win that one, otherwise it will turn into a VERY long season. This brewster HAS to beat Purdue and their new coach or it will turn into a HORRIBLE Big Ten season.
This brewster doens’t have a clue what going into State College will be like. It is a TOUGH place to win…very tough. The Big Ten season might get longer and more painful on October 17th, 2009.
Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire, the trip to the Horseshoe could get very ugly very quickly. Tough, tough tough place to play.
The new guy at MSU has them running the ball and stopping the run a LOT better than this brewste/dunbar double-headed coaching liability has shown themselves to be capable of during the first two seasons. I hope the Gophers win, but, you tell me how you think that one will go down. MSU believes they own the Gophers and during the past 20 meetings, until Masssson started winning a few of those games they DID own the Gophers Mark down October 31st for that game. IF the Gophers lose, it will be the straw that broke this dunbar’s back and he will get non-renewal status.
And then, that dreaded trip to iowa city. I don’t think this ferentz likes this brewster at all. He didn’t HAVE to have his 2nd string qb throwing bombs when he was up by over 40…but he did. He didn’t have to humuliat this brewster/dunbar as much as he did and then rub their noses in it…but…he did. iowa city is a tough, tough tough place to play, and on Senior Day, it is even tougher. OUCH…this could be SUCH a painful Big Ten season in 2009. It is a tough, tough , tough schedule. Thsi brewster/dunbar have seen NOTHING like the 2009 schedule. It would be a real heart-breaker of a Big Ten schedule. And that September 19th meeting with Cali could set the stage for a really LONG Big Ten season and schedule.
Thsi brewster had better pour it on the CUES. He had better really run it up on Air Force. He had better show NO mercy to South Dakota State. He had better QUIT being owned by Fitzgerald and he had better hope that this new Purdue coach thinks he has a throw away season the way this brewster did and this richrod did and the way the old zookster did his first couple of seasons and then again in his fourth season. He had better hope the eating disorder sound alike coach at wisky is out blowing lunch when his team comes into TCF BANK STADIUM. And he had better hope that the old zookster does his throw away thing during his 5th season at Illinois too. IF Purdue, wisky, Illinois and NU play as badly as each is certainly capable of playing, this brewster SHOULD have a chance to beat them IF he ditches this dunbar. IF this brewster blows any of those four Big Ten games, it is going to be a LONG disaster of a Big Ten season. He HAS to win 3 of 4 from that group, OR he will have a miserable, throw away type Big ten season AGAIN. IF he thinks the heat will be off if he throws away the 2009 Big Ten season just because it is the first season in the new stadium, he is very much mistaken, I believe. IF he thinks cutting the cord on dunbar will save his behind after the 2009 season, what will the foolish maturi and spendthrift prexy b do with this brewster’s contract at the end of the 2009 season? If they extend then, if the season was a long one, there will be a LOT of critics. IF they don’t extend then regardless of the kind of season it will be they will have made the SAME mistake they made with Mason. I remember the LOON telling people back in 2005 that Mason should most likely be bought out with what little remained on his contract back then. Thsi foolish prexy b and clueless maturi EXTENDED for five and then fired and bought out the very next year. waste, fraud and abuse…if you ask me…
I’m sure glad our players and coaches don’t share your pi$$y attitude Wren. Why bother to play the games? Just forfeit. Everyone who reads your rants know you would love to see Brewster go 0-12.
So, how many wins do you think they will have Bayfield? Do you honestly think that playing the schedule they will be playing in 2009 that this brewster, with this dunbar’s offense will win more than 6 games? More than 4 games? Which big Ten teams do you think they will be favored against? Which big ten teams do wyou believe that this brewster with this dunbar’s offense can beat?
It’s really easy to just take a shot at someone who tries to be honest about what he is seeing this brewster do with his team on Game Day Saturdays. All you ever do is say that you would give him 5 years. 5 years to do what? Have you NO expectations until five years have expired?
I don’t like what I am seeing on the playing field from the coaches on Game Day Saturday and I am talking about what I don’t like. Why do you have a problem with that? don’t you like brutal honesty? I say brutal honesty because what I have seen this dunbar and this brewster produce on Game Day Satuirdays for the MOST part has certainly been brutal. 3-13 in Big Ten play. 8-16 overall against a very easy 2 year schedule of ooc teams and Big ten teams. Well, wake up Bayfield: the Big Ten schedule and even the ooc schedule is getting more difficult. Life for this dunbar and this brewster and this maturi and this prexy b is going to be much more difficult with a more difficult Big Ten schedule. More fans are going to want to be brutally honest. More media people will write more brutally HONEST pieces. Pretend all you want Bayfield…this is going to get tougher in 2009.
Birdy, just STFU we’re all tired of your Crap!!!
littlebig: I could care less what some littlebig like you has to say. This brewster needs to start winning Big Ten games and he needs to ditch this dunbar.
You refer to yourself as “we.” Does that mean you are big and little…or little and big? Or are you just thinking you are part of some mob orsomething? Speak for yourself littlebig, or forever justy stick your company line where the sun won’t shine…I don’t buy any company lines little big and I’m not buying anything you may try to imply. 55 to 0 and 84 to 6 sucked big time and it goes right on this brewster’s head. We can NEVER forget that 55 to 0 “no show”job that this brewster was in charge of.
I suppose I could look at some sort of ball (eight ball, snowball, bowling ball, etc) and predict X number of wins. So what? What do I know that you don’t know and conversely? At this time, its not worth the time to debate. All I know is Brewsters job is more difficult than in the past as he, the Admin. and myself have raised the bar. And the 2009 slate is the toughest since Gutey’s days.
I expect Brewsters teams to improve incrementely(sp) each year to the point where they will be in a position to compete for a Big Ten title after year five. And I will repeat this one more time for you. I expect Brewster to average at least 4 Big Ten wins a season and get us to a Rose Bowl at least once a decade, if he is here that long. I take this approach one game at a time if you know what that is all about. You play with the numbers.
Predicting six wins! Call that brutal honesty if you want. I call it blind ignorance. I prefer to watch the bowl game and see if Brewster’s latest hire will result in a better running game ahead. Then see who wants to be a Gopher in Feb LOI day. Then watch the Spring Game. Find out how much the OL has matured during the off season. See if all our key players stay healthy in the meantime and are available right off the get go for 2009. And the same with our 12 opponents as I don’t pretend to know how they will fare in the off season.
This team is not ready to contend for a BT title and likely won’t in 2009. There are glaring needs and the current players need to get better.
I happen to like Brewster’s approach. He doesn’t offer excuses, take shots at the fans or drunks, works very hard to promote the UM and his team, is optimistic and confident, has the ability to attract the attention of quality recruits, etc. But the question remains; can he get it done?
And another thing little big: just keep reading. I will tell the truth based upon what I see happening on the playing field on Game Day Saturday. I want a LOT of Big Ten wins. Or better yet, don’t read. I am not stating my thoughts for your benefit. You are beyond hope, beyond belief and beyond help. Go mob somebody else little big…your tactics don’t work on me. You just make me realize that my contrasts are certainly needed around here! ;0)
Oh come on Bayfield: I have seen your feeble excuses for this brewster, blaming everything that has gone wrong for him on Mason. Heck, this brewster has the practically completed new stadium to recruit to and a crap-load of money to throw away on his big buck coordinators like the REALLY big buck defensive coordinator withers who lasted a year and this dunbar who has provided such a bust of an offense.
There have been MORE excuses offered for this brewster’s failures by you and a lot of the other kool-aid drinking brew crew henchmen…how can you say that no excuses are offered with a straight face Bayfield…or maybe you aren’t saying it with a straight face…:0)
So, he needs to average 4 Big Ten wins a season to satisfy you Bayfield? That means he needs to win 9 Big Ten games in 2009…but…he only plays 8. So, regardless of what happens, in your book he is totally failing after 3 years. He has 3 Big Ten wins aftrer two seasons. He is so far behind the curve, he’s NEVER going to make your standards Bayfield. Heck, they might just as well extend him 8 years right now so that you won’t have some 10 year excuse to cry about. It really looks to me as though no matter how many years this brewster is given, about the best Big Ten win per year average based upon his entire record is about 2 point something per year. Right now he is at 1.5 for two years. If he wins 3 Big Ten games in 2009, he would be right at a 2.0 average for three seasons. He is so far behind the curve he will NEVER make it Bayfield. You say you set the standard at 4.0 per year as an average over his tenure at Minnesota. How is he EVER going to make that? He would need 17 Big Ten wins in the next 3 years ( 2009, 2010 and 2011) in order to have a total of 20 Big Ten wins at the end of 5 years. That means he needs some combination of 6, 6 and 5 Big Ten wins per year during the next 3 seasons. Bayfield it is NOT going to happen. He plays 24 Big Ten games during that time.He needs to start winning Big Ten games at a .7083 clip during the next three seasons. He is currently winning Big Ten games at a .1875 winning percentage.
Based upon your standards…you can kiss this brewster good bye, Bayfield.
Let me clear all this up for you Wren as you are abviously have great difficulty with all this. I will not accept mediocrity from Brewster. You can calculate, speculate, renumerate to your hearts content. The bottom line is I expect better results than we got from your guy Mason. After five years all your guy could give us was 14 BT wins, a meager 2.8/year. Pretty sad and pathetic. And you gave him another five years on top of that! And then listened to him proclaim he was still rebuilding in year ten!! Whats with that? Brewster found out what that was all about with that roster he was handed.
“Based upon your standard…..you can kiss this Brewster goodgye, Bayfield.” Maybe so Wren but at least I have the nads to have a standard. Where were your standards the past decade? You didn’t have any yet you needle me for setting the bar. Certainly not familiar territory for you.
Excuses? Maybe you need to pay a visit to your MD and check you out for dementia. You offered countless excuses time and time again why Mason couldn’t win big and often. Do I need to rattle them off for you? Show me all the “excuses” that are not factual that I have made on Brewster’s behalf.
So keep your pencil sharp and your calculator’s batteries replenished Wren.
You will need them to maintain your hyprocrital(sp)and negative attitude.
This debate is over until the next time as I have a bunch of snow to remove, go with my lovely Mrs. Bayfield and cut our Christmas Tree, watch a bit of CFB, etc. Life is good up here Wren. Think positive!!!!
It was this prexy b and the honorable Prexy Y who signed Mason to his contracts and eventually extended him only to buy his contract out. I was wanting the Gophers to get a new stadium. Those loser administrators prexy b and maturi extnded Mason when I woukld have just let him go in 2005…by that time SO MUCH HARM had been done by the foolsis prexy b and the totally incompetent maturi that they could have just let his contract expire and they could have just let all the assistant coaches contracts expire. It wouldn’t have cost ANYTHING. BUT, this prexy b and this maturi extended him for FIVE seasons. That was THEM. That was not me.
The truth is they wasted millions and millions of dollars, but Mason did get the stadium deal done for them. There is NO other way to look at that. The stadium deal was done with the newly extended Mason in place.
Then to fiscally foolish and lacking in fiscal responsibility prexy b and maturi bought Mason out at the costs of millions and millions of dollars.
That was them…it is my right to comment upon what I see happening on the football field. 55 to 0 Bayfield…that is the LAST thing I saw on the football field. 84 to 6, that represents the combined scores from the final two losses of the 2008 big ten Football season.
THAT is what is real Bayfield. Spin it any way you want, but I live in a world that says “pay attention to what you SEE happening on the football field on Big Ten Game Day Saturday.” Don’t you think it is important to keep what is happening on the football field as the primary indicator of the health of this football program?
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