A mid-afternoon update

Posted on July 23rd, 2009 – 2:01 PM
By Kent Youngblood

Greetings.

Just got off the phone with Cretin-Derham Hall football coach Mike Scanlan. I called him after reading Doogie’s blog today. Doogie quoted gatorcountry.com, an ESPN affiliate Web Site, with Seantrel Henderson saying his choices were, ”Florida, USC and Ohio State. … it’s going to be one of those three. They play for championships and they put a lot of people in the NFL.”
If this is true, it would be a disappointment for the Gophers. Minnesota coach Tim Brewster has done a good job of recruiting top in-state talent, but the top-ranked in-state player has gotten away. In February Bryce McNeal opted for Clemson, but five of the next highest-ranked players by Rivals.com in the state opted for the Gophers.
In 2008 Michael Floyd went to Notre Dame and Willie Mobley opted for Ohio State, but the Gophers got two of the next four top-ranked state players.
As of this afternoon I hadn’t yet reached Henderson. But I did call Scanlan, who told me he had talked to his star tackle player just yesterday. Scanlan said Henderson told him he hadn’t yet narrowed down his list that far. Indeed, Scanlon said it was his understanding that the Gophers were still on the list and that Henderson was shooting to narrow his list to five by the start of school next month.
Henderson, of course, has a lot of time to make up his mind. Like Doogie said, Henderson could change his mind a bunch of times before a decision has to be made. And you can bet, as the top-ranked player in the nation by Rivals, Henderson will hear from a lot of folks before that decision is made.

One other item: Gopherillustrated.com is reporting that Momence, Illinois running back Calvin Phillips has committed to be a part of the Gophers’ 2011 recruiting class.

That’s about it. Have a good afternoon.

81 Responses to "A mid-afternoon update"

pokeintheeye says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football /news/story?id=3982992

There is video of Phillips at the bottom of the link.

Dan says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Maybe today’s commit of a top 2011 RB, Calvin Phillips, will help sway Henderson. It certainly can’t hurt. Gotta have someone to open holes for!

G1 says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm

Thanks for the update Kent, keep them coming!

the Loon says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

For his own sake, it makes no sense that he would publicly eliminate the Gophers. Doing so would bring unwanted vibes his way.

An excellent Gopher season would really help us.

Curious George says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Rival has announced that a top notch 2011 RB recruit has committed to Minnesota. The whole thing seems a little strange since he told ESPN that he was committed to Illinois just a little while ago.

The one thing that is for sure is that he is a “talent,” no matter what wren, loon, or Bud say. They will also probably say is that it long until to 2011. I would have to agree with them on that. It will be fun though to see how they spin this story from a positive to a negative.

http://minnesota.rivals.com/default.asp

gophers are my favorite rodent says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm

I hope we end up with this guy. It’s always good to build your team on the front lines.

Curious George says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm

the Loon says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm

For his own sake, it makes no sense that he would publicly eliminate the Gophers. Doing so would bring unwanted vibes his way.

An excellent Gopher season would really help us.
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Loon – Henderson is certainly sending mix messages. I heard that he doesn’t want to disappoint anybody so he ends up saying different things to different people. He just recently said he has now limited his choices to three schools, and none of them are Minnesota. I think your assessment is consistent as to what is going on here.

t michael says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm

bottom line is Brew and the boys need to start winning to land legit blue chippers like this. plain and simple. get to a new year’s day bowl and it’ll be amazing how much easier it is to stand studs like henderson/floyd/mobley/laurenitis. go Goph’s!

short ornery norwegian says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm

Prediction:

If Henderson signs with the Gophs, Loon and Wren will announce that it doesn’t mean anything, because it’s all about “fantasy recruiting” ratings.

On the other hand, if Henderson goes somewhere else, Loon and Wren will announce that this proves Brewster is a failure, because he couldn’t land the #1 recruit in the country from his own back door.

Either way, the boys will spin it so Brewster comes out looking bad.

I say: sometimes kids just want to get away from the home town, from Mom and Dad, and from their old HS crowd.

Let’s face it – if you were a stud FB player, and you had a chance to go to a USC or Florida – play on prime-time TV every week, and be virtually guaranteed of going to a major bowl game every year, that would be hard to turn down. The question is, will Henderson give us what the baseball world would call a “hometown discount?” Is there any chance we could get Tubby involved? Sounds like the kid is a hoops junkie, and Tubby might carry a little more weight with him. Just a thought.

Breeze says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm

I look at the Gophers at 7-1 last year until the NW player rolled up on Decker’s leg as the turning point in the season which was heading for a New Year’s Bowl until the injury, now we have Hoyo Carpenter at the other WR position in 2009 to keep double teams on Decker to a minimum so look for an ALL-American season from #7 and maybe a first team Big 10 season from Adam Webber so look for a huge season for MN in their new stadium and no cream puff non-conference schedule! Jump on the bandwagon now MN.

Calvin Phillips Reportedly Commits to be a Gopher | The Epic Sports Wagering Broadcast says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm

[...] are preliminary reports on the Internet that highly touted running back Calvin Phillips, a top prospect for the 2011 recruiting [...]

wren says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Calvin’s GPA & ACT is right up there with Lipscpmb’s.

wren says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm

You know, I didn’t make that post at 9:34. Someone is using my moniker again. Fantasy recruiting crap is just that…crap. Who knows who this calvin is and who cares? You gopherhole people will crash and burn on the turnpikes and freeways of New Jersey or Boston or where ever kelly leeks and the his d_a_c-ing-off multiple personalitys finally flame out and burn. If you steal my moniker: burn baby burn…

the Loon says:

July 24th, 2009 at 6:05 am

Short Norway guy, when have you seen me get excited about a high school player one way or the other?

I was not one of the deep thinkers who thought that all you needed to “improve recruiting” was a new coach who talked the talk.

One Old Gopher says:

July 24th, 2009 at 6:17 am

Both the offensive and defensive lines need to improve to make the great leap forward required to get to the top tier of the B10. If the top OG and DT decide to come to Minnesota, the program will be taking a leap forward, just not as far as needed — yet, a good step. Now, if anyone knows of an outstanding linebacker or two, we could certainly use them right now. We still have many holes to fill at Minnesota.

Go Gophers.

wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 6:43 am

One Old Gopher says:

July 24th, 2009 at 6:17 am

Both the offensive and defensive lines need to improve to make the great leap forward required to get to the top tier of the B10. If the top OG and DT decide to come to Minnesota, the program will be taking a leap forward, just not as far as needed — yet, a good step. Now, if anyone knows of an outstanding linebacker or two, we could certainly use them right now. We still have many holes to fill at Minnesota.
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i thunk this bewster just snaked a big 2 star lb away from loisianna layfayete? I sure wish I could stay sober enuff to remember what i posted.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 7:56 am

wren says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm

“Who knows who this calvin is and who cares?”
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wren – We don’t care about your postings either. It was so great not to have you posting yesterday afternoon. There were actual conversations instead postings responding to your narcissistic agenda.

Wren, you are not the center of the universe. You may think so because you suffer from though is narcissism. I know you can’t help yourself but the V.A. hospital could. Please check in.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am

wren says:

July 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm

“Who knows who this calvin is and who cares?”
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wren – We don’t care about your postings either. It was so great not to have you posting yesterday afternoon. There were actual conversations instead postings responding to your narcissistic agenda.

Wren, you are not the center of the universe. You may think so because you suffer from narcissism. I know you can’t help yourself but the V.A. hospital could. Please check in.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 8:04 am

Rival upgraded Kip Smith to 3-stars and ranks him the number three kicker in the country.

http://minnesota.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=87660

wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 8:31 am

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 8:04 am

Rival upgraded Kip Smith to 3-stars and ranks him the number three kicker in the country.

http://minnesota.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=87660
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Only because this brewster paid them to do it. Does this meen more Big 10 wins in 2009?

wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 8:36 am

What is going to produce Big Ten wins in 2009? That is the ONLY thing this brewster should be thinking about right now. Answer: the offensive line is the total key for the 2009 Big Ten season. Build the offensive line or pay the price!

I see that Illinois extended that zookster until the 2014 season. This prexy b. has got to either dump or get off the can on this brewster extension. This brewster is being made to look VERY bad by his own ad and this fiscally blundering prexy b character. This prexy b has a reputation for letting a coache’s contract run down to nothing and then at the last second, caving in and giving a long-term extension only to turn around again and fire and buy out that coach. This prexy b ruins recruiting all the time.

How can any serious prospects want to sign on with this brewster when this brewster’s contract only has a couple of years to go?????

On the other hand, how the hell can a prexy extend a gm/recruiter who has done nothing to date but replace offensive and defensive coordinators so that he is back at square one entering his 3rd season?????

This ancient prexy b is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t renew this brewster really soon! What a double bind this prexy b has put himself into. He looks like a real fool no matter what he does now.

That’s what happens when you make a really poor hire prexy b. But, the ball is in your court prexy b. You had better either extend this brewster character or replace him at the end of the 2009 season.

IF you pay attention prexy b, the answer will be made very clear by the end of the 2009 season. By then, it still may be too late for you to finally do the “right thing…”

; 0 (

Wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:20 am

Loon, thanks for last night, it was, um, “specail”.

I love it when you where the Mason mask, it just makes me wild.

Wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:22 am

Sorry sweat cakes, I mean wear….

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am

WARNING – Choose one of the following before reading the 8:35 message:

The above message is written by
A. The Village Idiot
B. Mr. Unsuccessful
C. A narcissists
D. wren

I you choose to read and respond to the above message you are going to be sucked into a never ending series of babblings. Proceed at your own risk

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:33 am

The correct was not listed. It is “All of the above.” Please protect this site from more babbling by wren not responding to this virus.

The GopherHole has software to protect it from the wren virus. Maybe Kent could look into this product.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:33 am

The correct answer was not listed. It is “All of the above.” Please protect this site from more babbling by wren not responding to this virus.

The GopherHole has software to protect it from the wren virus. Maybe Kent could look into this product.

wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Is this curious george for real??????

What a wack-job.

Obsess on curious george.

pokeintheeye says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am

Kent, if you get some time maybe you could check out Phillips’ connection to the U. What I have heard is that Phillips’ mentor/cousin (or brother) played college ball (at Northern Illinois) with coach Hammock and is a scout for the Vikings and lives in Minneapolis. A little human interest angle. :)

Wren says:

July 24th, 2009 at 10:10 am

Loon, remember always our love and of course, BIG TEN WINS.

Even after the ‘Change’ I still enjoy a good football game.

QB, receivers (and I know how to be a receiver, as you know) should be very good, if O line comes together this team could surprise some people. BIG TEN WINS BABY!!!! Love that Brew!

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am

Kent – We have a serious problem on this site with the behavior of Wren. He has chosen to use this site as his vehicle to voice his personal agenda at that expense of the right of others to have a conversation/discussion. He continually and obsessively proselytizes his personal agenda at ever opportunity without any respect for others. I would describe his behavior as being similar to protestors who interrupt a conference or a speech to deliver their agenda. There are others on this site that have views similar to Wrens but know how to express their views without being disruptive.

Therefore, I am asking you to see if it would be possible to ban wren from this site. I know Wren has been banned at the GopherHole for his behavior and I believe he has been banned elsewhere. I believe they use software to accomplish this. I realize that you may not be able to do this but I would appreciate it if you could look into this. Thanks

Texas Gopher says:

July 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am

George—let wren enjoy his first ammendment. He is harmless and not a threat to this blog IMO. He wants to get under your skin and it sounds like he has—don’t fall for it.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 11:43 am

Texas Gopher says:
July 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am
George—let wren enjoy his first ammendment. He is harmless and not a threat to this blog IMO. He wants to get under your skin and it sounds like he has—don’t fall for it.
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I appreciate your perspective and if others feel the same as you do, I will accept that.

From my perspective this is not about wren’s first amendment right. You can’t shout fire in a theater nor do you have the right to interrupt a speech. Wren’s behavior is very similar to this. It seems to me that he is not interested in a conversation or a dialogue but his purpose is to shout down any conversation that doesn’t support his agenda. Loon and Bud have similar views to wren but they don’t do that.

There is a reason why he has been kicked off several sites and it is more than just what he says. He is disruptive and ends up destroying others people’s conversations. Again, if people are comfortable with what he is doing, then I will accept the group’s verdict.

George Needs His Flabby Ass Kicked says:

July 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 10:34 am

Kent – We have a serious problem on this site with the behavior of Wren. He has chosen to use this site as his vehicle to voice his personal agenda at that expense of the right of others to have a conversation/discussion. He continually and obsessively proselytizes his personal agenda at ever opportunity without any respect for others. I would describe his behavior as being similar to protestors who interrupt a conference or a speech to deliver their agenda. There are others on this site that have views similar to Wrens but know how to express their views without being disruptive.

Therefore, I am asking you to see if it would be possible to ban wren from this site. I know Wren has been banned at the GopherHole for his behavior and I believe he has been banned elsewhere. I believe they use software to accomplish this. I realize that you may not be able to do this but I would appreciate it if you could look into this. Thanks
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ouuy..ouuy..kent please ban wren. Seriously geo-gay, you have a slit and need your ass kicked bad!

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

George Needs His Flabby Ass Kicked says:

July 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am

ouuy.ouuy..kent please ban wren. Seriously geo-gay, you have a slit and need your ass kicked bad!
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Very articulate and mature.

Glen Livet says:

July 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

If Henderson has a scholarship offer from Florida AND USC, he’d better accept one pretty soon. Brewster is not likely to be renewed, unless he wins 7 or more games, and that’s not going to happen. No offense, but scholarship offers from USC to not go out this early to anybody–and if you don’t bite–they might not wait for you.

kent says:

July 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

____________________

“Very articulate and mature.”

Almost as articulate and mature as:

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am

WARNING – Choose one of the following before reading the 8:35 message:

The above message is written by
A. The Village Idiot
B. Mr. Unsuccessful
C. A narcissists
D. wren

I you choose to read and respond to the above message you are going to be sucked into a never ending series of babblings. Proceed at your own risk

'10 MN OL Seantrel Henderson (Official Offer) - Page 19 - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums says:

July 24th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

[...] A mid-afternoon update Posted on July 23rd, 2009 By Kent Youngblood Greetings. Just got off the phone with Cretin-Derham Hall football coach Mike Scanlan. I called him after reading Doogie?s blog today. Doogie quoted gatorcountry.com, an ESPN affiliate Web Site, with Seantrel Henderson saying his choices were, ?Florida, USC and Ohio State. ? it?s going to be one of those three. They play for championships and they put a lot of people in the NFL.? If this is true, it would be a disappointment for the Gophers. Minnesota coach Tim Brewster has done a good job of recruiting top in-state talent, but the top-ranked in-state player has gotten away. In February Bryce McNeal opted for Clemson, but five of the next highest-ranked players by Rivals.com in the state opted for the Gophers. In 2008 Michael Floyd went to Notre Dame and Willie Mobley opted for Ohio State, but the Gophers got two of the next four top-ranked state players. As of this afternoon I hadn?t yet reached Henderson. But I did call Scanlan, who told me he had talked to his star tackle player just yesterday. Scanlan said Henderson told him he hadn?t yet narrowed down his list that far. Indeed, Scanlon said it was his understanding that the Gophers were still on the list and that Henderson was shooting to narrow his list to five by the start of school next month. Henderson, of course, has a lot of time to make up his mind. Like Doogie said, Henderson could change his mind a bunch of times before a decision has to be made. And you can bet, as the top-ranked player in the nation by Rivals, Henderson will hear from a lot of folks before that decision is made. Gridiron Gold ? Blog Archive ? A mid-afternoon update [...]

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

antihole – It has nothing to do with his views. It has everything to do with his behavior. It is about him not respecting the rights of others by the way he posts.

I have not suggested that loon and Bud be banned and they have similar views to wren. That is because because they don’t behave like wren. I am not asking wren to change his views. I am asking him think about how he posts. He could be a lot more effective if he did.

Lastly, it seems to me that you could be called a hypocrite by telling me to leave because you don’t like my views. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

But let’s move unto a more important question. Since I don’t post at the GopherHole and don’t know the culture there who is the snowman with the rotund ass?

I think everbody has had enough of this so enjoy the weekend.

Gopher Ace56 says:

July 24th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

The Gophers do not need Seantrel Henderson. I have heard he is very lazy and does not like to lift weights. Sounds like a good chance to flop in college.

antihole says:

July 24th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

George – I didnt tell you to leave, permanently. It appears you may be able to contribute in a positive fashion.

However, please dont try to kid us that you are not on GH.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

antihole – It was not my intention to imply that I don’t visit GH. What I was trying to convey is that I don’t post there nor do I have any interest in doing so. If I find something worth while there, such as a link, I will often bring it over to this site.

antihole says:

July 24th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

I am betting you post there.

Curious George says:

July 24th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

You got me there!

Curious George says:

July 25th, 2009 at 7:29 am

anti – I misread your 5:47 post of yesterday. I thought you had typed “I am betting you post here.” If you want to believe that I post at the GH that’s fine but it is not correct.

You seem to have the same strong feelings about the GH as I have about wren’s posting methods. Maybe we both need to lighten up a bit. The only other thing I can say is that I agree tith you that the atmosphere at the GH a little stifling but it is a source of information.

Curious George says:

July 25th, 2009 at 7:29 am

anti – I misread your 5:47 post of yesterday. I thought you had typed “I am betting you post here.” If you want to believe that I post at the GH that’s fine but it is not correct.

You seem to have the same strong feelings about the GH as I have about wren’s posting methods. Maybe we both need to lighten up a bit. The only other thing I can say is that I agree with you that the atmosphere at the GH a little stifling but it is a source of information.

david_allen_coe says:

July 25th, 2009 at 9:04 am

“Rival upgraded Kip Smith to 3-stars and ranks him the number three kicker in the country.”
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The number 3 kicker in the country should be rated a 4 or 5-star. If he is that good he will have a direct hand (foot) in more wins over four years than most positions.

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 9:07 am

dac
One thing I don’t understand is why the NFL doesn’t place a higher value on kickers on draft day. Kicking is a huge part of the game.

I remember the kid of OSU who must have put 90% of his KO’s in the end zone. What an advantage, especially for a team with a good D.

Chip Lohmiller used to do about as well.

gold04 says:

July 25th, 2009 at 9:28 am

I still think Ellstad will do alright this season. He’s got a strong leg and he seems ready to take over the kicking duties.

Curious George says:

July 25th, 2009 at 10:27 am

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 9:07 am

dac
One thing I don’t understand is why the NFL doesn’t place a higher value on kickers on draft day. Kicking is a huge part of the game.

I remember the kid of OSU who must have put 90% of his KO’s in the end zone. What an advantage, especially for a team with a good D.

Chip Lohmiller used to do about as well.
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It is really amazing that NFL doesn’t place a higher value on kicker. The logic for having a strong kicker is quite simple. Some of the key reasons are:

1. If you have kicker whose kick offs can’t be returned, the other 10 players on the KO team don’t have to be as quite as talented. But if you don’t have a strong kicker, then the other 10 players better be talented. The math is pretty simple, sign a top notch kick off specialist or 10 strong kick off team specialist. In reality, this is not an either or choice but it puts it into perspective.

2. The team with the strong kicking game is going to have significant field advantage over a team with a weak kicking game. This can play a major role in the outcome of a game.

3. The third reason is the significant impact field goal kicking has in the outcome of a game.

Adding field goal kicking to the skill requirements of kicker creates the additional challenge of finding a kicker that has all three of the essentials kicking skills. They are long kick offs, field goal accuracy, and field goal distance. Often this becomes a trade off between accuracy and distance. The optimal solution would be to find somebody whose has all three skills. You certainly could make the case that if you couldn’t find all three skills in one person, it would be worth while to sign two kickers; one for long kick offs and the other for field goal accuracy. Whatever strategy they choose, it should be a higher priority than it is now.

david_allen_coe says:

July 25th, 2009 at 11:16 am

Bayfield …. Actually, both the NFL and the college game makes the same mistake. Most schools recruit kickers as an afterthought or just accept a local guy who kicked pretty well in high school.

It should be a very high priority of every college coach to recruit both a kicker and punter every couple of years to keep a steady stream of guys developing. The kicking game wins and loses many close games.

Recruiting topnotch kickers and punters is just as important as recruiting running backs or linebackers.

david_allen_coe says:

July 25th, 2009 at 11:19 am

Curious …. With 85 scholarships at hand, I find no problem with carrying a kickoff specialist and a field goal specialist both.

wren says:

July 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

I don’t disagree with the concept of having the best punter and k.o guy in the land. However, one thing to consider: virtually every rules change that has occurred in the game of football has been made to give the advantage to the offense.

Two of the most exciting plays in high school, college or pro football would be the kick-off return and the punt return. The NFL, the NCAA and MSHSL will do all that they can to keep the kick off returns as long and as exciting as possible. The same thing with punt returns. People LOVE to watch exciting offense. A kicker who consistantly boots into the end zone for the touch back is appreciated by the kicking team’s fans. However, not every team has a kicker who can do that. IF there were too many kickers who could do that, I believe it would not be too long until they would move the spot of the kick off back another ten yards. Run backs are “sexy” and run backs sell tv audiences.

I agree, it would be wonderful to have a kick-off artist who never had one returned and a punter who hit the coffin-corner or only had return men fair catch his high, long spirals and who NEVER kicked into the end zone.

Right now, I’m hoping that we have a reliable pat kicking team and one that hits the chip shot field goals very, very consistantly.

I think that the powers that control the game of football favor exciting offense over defense in general. Offense sells tickets, you know. (Yes, defense wins championships…but…the rules changes over the decades have greatly favored the offenses over the defense.) And ESPN LOVES their kick-off return high lights and their punt-returns that “could…go…ALL…the…way…”

; 0 (

Personally, I wish they’d let the defenders use every trick in the bood to stop those darn offenses…

Dcrockett says:

July 25th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

SeeYa @ the alamo bowl

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

Curious George

Like I said, Wren is very capable of posting something other than the usual and customary.

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

SeeYa @ the alamo bowl
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Why not? A #4 or #5 BT finish would be decent for this squad.

gold04 says:

July 25th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

I think Loon is the one that gets Wren all stirred up. I have seen posts where Wren is pretty mellow and then Loon jumps in and is all stirred about something. Then Wren gets all stirred also.

Wren does make some very good points when he’s thinking clearly.

david_allen_coe says:

July 26th, 2009 at 1:06 am

I see that Bud is jumping out of his skirt over the very idea that one of Brewster’s coaches might just possibly have had some influence in getting Weber invited to the Peyton/Eli passing camp.

Let’s be honest here. Weber, based on his 25-game career, has not indicated he is one of the top 25 QBs returning in college football.

In Weber’s defense, he was thrown into a situation as a freshman in 2007 that he was totally unprepared to handle. He would not have started at any team in the Big Ten with real competition at QB.

As a sophomore he still made the same mistakes of throwing into a crowd, locking on one receiver, and fumbling the snap, but …. he had the worst line in the conference and he got a lot of bad snaps in the shotgun.

I expect Weber, with the experience of starting 25 games, to be much, much improved this year. He will have a much better offensive line in front of him.

But to suggest, as Bud has done, that
Weber is an obvious pick by the Mannings as one of the best QBs in the country is silly. He is one of the top 40 or 50 returning QBs but I doubt the Mannings were picking him automaticly from Old Quarterback U without the intervention of Coach Fisch.

One Swedish Gopher says:

July 26th, 2009 at 6:43 am

After the 09 season, the Goph’s defense will have holes to fill along the line and the backfield with maybe 3 or 4 returning starters. I would think, besides recruiting #1, the rest of the scholies need to be on the d-side of the ball. D – D – D – D!

This is for Brewster Lies says:

July 26th, 2009 at 7:12 am

Honestly I’m thinking that someone other than Wren wrote that 1215 post. The tone and language don’t add up to his usual personality. The “; 0 (” does so I could be wrong.

Regarding Weber: I agree with DAC with an improved line (got my fingers crossed on that one) and another year under his belt and a training camp experience with the Mannings he should have better skills. The thing I really admire/respect about him is his leadership qualities. He was voted captain in his sophmore year. That intangible should not be overlooked. He can unify the offense and get them to play to their potential. A student-coach of sorts.

As August approaches I’ll start to get more and more psyched about the upcoming season. There’s more hope than there was under Mason. With him you knew that the offense was going to be awesome but like that Michigan game I went to a few years ago, we were leading by 4 with around 2 minutes to go and I knew we were going to lose and we did. We never had a defense to go along with that offense. Let’s hope that this year we have a good balanced attack.

Go Gophers

Gopher Ace56 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 7:16 am

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

SeeYa @ the alamo bowl
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Why not? A #4 or #5 BT finish would be decent for this squad.
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As long as Billy Joe “Red” McCombs is drawing breath, the Gophers will NEVER be invited to San Antonio.

gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am

You make a good point about the defense Swedish. That’s why I think this team will not be better next year. We lose way too many starters and reserves on defense. I know the guys behind them are talented but it usually takes a year of playing time before players are ready to be contribute at their position.

My Philosphy has always been that if a Big Ten coach is going to win or share a Big Ten title then he must do it in his first five years. That pattern holds true for winning programs and losing programs. When was the last time a coach in the Big Ten won his first title after year five years? I’d be willing to bet it’s been pretty long.

People then bring up Zook and Fitzgerald. This is Zooks fifth year and I think he has the best team in the Big Ten so this year there’s a good chance it will happen.

Fitzgerald has two more years and time will only tell if he breaks my philosphy.

When you take my philosphy into account, Brewster’s only chance to win a title is this year or year 5. If he doesn’t accomplish that feat this year or year 5 he never will.

Brewsterites – I’m not into the 10 year plan like we had with Mase, five years is plenty of time.

Masonites – Wren, Loon, and Bud, I’m not predicting a Big Ten title in Brewsters first five years. I’m just saying if Brewster does not do it in five years he probablyv never will.

I have never jumped on one side or the other when it’s come to Brewster. I did say last year if we can’t win 6 then I question if we have the right guy. This year if we can’t win at least 8 games then I think it’s time to look for someone else. I know the Brewsterites get all upset about this 8 game standard, but you did with the 6 game standard last year, so Brewster might suprise you again this year.

Recruiting says:

July 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am

Masonites – Wren, Loon, and Bud, I’m not predicting a Big Ten title in Brewsters first five years. I’m just saying if Brewster does not do it in five years he probablyv never will.
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You don’t know what you are saying, Dumbass! Not too long ago you were spouting off about playing in the BCS championship game THIS year?!?!?!?! How do you do that without winning the Big 10, moron?? You are like a young robin–all mouth and ass!!!!

Curious George says:

July 26th, 2009 at 9:41 am

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

Curious George

Like I said, Wren is very capable of posting something other than the usual and customary.
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I agree. Now all he needs to do is make this the usual and customary. If he can’t do that, then it would be nice to see this on a regular basis.

Bayfieldgopher says:

July 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am

As long as Billy Joe “Red” McCombs is drawing breath, the Gophers will NEVER be invited to San Antonio.
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NEVER is a bit on the absurd side. I would think the BT & the networks have a bit more to say about that than Red.

Curious George says:

July 26th, 2009 at 11:23 am

For those of you who are interested in the Gopher’s 2010 verbal commitment list, the attached link has all three recruiting services (Rival, Scout, and ESPN) rankings.

2010 Gopher Football Recruiting Commits
updated on Jul 20, 2009 2:08 PM CDT

follow maroon colored links to referenced sources

Scout Rivals Rivals ESPN
Name Hometown P Ht Wt 40 Stars Stars Rating Rating Video
Jimmy Gjere New Brighton, MN OL 6’7 275 4
4
5.9 79
Star Tribune

Lamonte Edwards Woodbury, MN ATH 6’2 215 4.48 3
4
5.8 76
YouTube

Tom Parish Hartland, WI QB 6’3 200 4.6 3
3
5.7 73

Donnell Kirkwood Delray Beach, FL RB 5’10 197 2
3
5.6 77
YouTube

Matt Eggen La Crosse, WI OL 6’5 290 3
3
5.5 76
YouTube

Zac Epping Kenosha, WI OL 6’2 274 5.72 3
3
5.5 73
YouTube

Antoine Lewis Maywood, IL DB 5’10 175 3
3
5.5 76
YouTube

Mark Lenkiewicz Tinley Park, IL OL 6’5 250 2
3
5.6 75

Kip Smith Broomfield, CO K 6’1 200 3
3
5.5 40
YouTube

Allen Veazie Houston, TX DB 5’11 165 4.4 2
N/A
N/A 75

http://www.thedailygopher.com/pages/2010-gopher-football-recruiting

Gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Recruiting,

You know as well as I when I made my famous prediction I said 8 wins last year and 10 this year.

Then I said we MIGHT contend for the Big Ten Title or a National Title this year. If the Gophers win ten games this year of course they will be in contention for a Big Ten Title and have an outside chance for a National title if they win more.

RECRUITING your the one who was peeing in your pants when I made the famous prediction of 8 wins last year and 10 wins this year because you thought there was no way we could even come close to 8 wins last year. I would not be too quick to get all excited like you did last year when you could not sleep at night after that prediction.

My prediction was 10 wins for this year with an outside chance for more. THAT’S ALL! Sorry to disappoint you again.

the Loon says:

July 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

Ron Zook gets another year added to his contract which now runs through 2004. This allows him to go out on the recruiting trail and tell the guys he is after that he has five (5) more years left on his contract and will be their coach for most if not all of their college careers.

Now don’t get me wrong, Ron Zook and his recruiting practices and goals make me sick. He is the role model for our own Maturi/Brewster circus.

Nonetheless, this is the correct way to run a program if you want to inch up the Big Ten pecking order. I will stick with my prediction that Maturi might very well extend Brewster before the Cal game if we start 2-0.

Ouch, if the season turns south from there.

Gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Loon,

I do not think Maturi would even do that. I think it would be all right to wait until the season is over to make that decision. Let’s see how things play out then make a contract decision!

Gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

I think we under estimate how down the Big Ten is this year. The experts on the Big Ten Netword say that we probably don’t have a team in the Big Ten that will compete for a National title this year. I think they are right.

I could not believe that some National magazines ranked Penn State and Ohio State in the top 10.

Penn State loses practically their entire defense and their top three recievers who all started for four years are now gone. Yet some experts think they still will be a top 10 team. No way!

OSU loses all their recievers and Running Backs on offense. On Defense they have to replace all their linebackers and a shut down corner and some experts still think OSU will be a top 10 team. No way!

What I’m trying to say is I still think OSU and Penn State will be a top 25 team but they will not be dominate teams this year. I guarantee you they will each have at least two loses in the Big Ten and maybe one more.

There is no team in the Big Ten that should be feared. Yes the Gophers play a tougher schedule but their toughest game will be against Cal. That game will certianly show us how good or bad we are. My brother lives in Big 12 country and they laugh at the Big Ten and no doubt they will laugh some more about our conference this year.

With the conference being down the Big Ten will be wide open this year. OSU, PSU and Michigan will not dominate the conference this year. The winner of the confernce title is anyones guess. My prediction the University of Chicago.

wren says:

July 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

How many Big Ten coaches have as few years remaining on their contracts as our own gm/recrutier brewster?

As the Loon indicates, this is becoming a very pressing issue for this prexy b and maturi.

Personally, I believe they are damned if they extend our gm/recruiter and theyare, of course, damned if they don’t.

It is not good to not have a good track record and to have the fewest number of years remaining on your contract in any major football conference.

This goldohgeorge has reminded us that the Big Ten Conference is pitifully weak this year in his opinion. Too few big Ten wins in a pitifully weak Big Ten Conference in 2009 would not bode well for any gm/recruiter who has not signed an extension giving him at least five more years.

Damn, if prexy b does extend him and he has a horrible season prexy b will look the part of the fool. Damn, if prexy b does not extend him, he will be setting up another former coach-like fiasco and recruiting will suffer.

Damn if he soes, and damn if he doesn’t, this prexy b will probably be doing the damn wrong thing… ; 0 (

Gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

Sorry Wren but I don’t use other names. Gold04 is the name I have always written under.

You have written under a lot of other names Renagade Rambler, Wren, and Sherlock Holmes to name a few. Must be your multi personality disorder.

Your right if Brewster does not win this season, Maturi is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Wren,

When Mase won ten games it was under a pitfully weak schedule. This years schedule for the Gophers will be a LOT tougher then Masons ten win schedule, but the Big Ten is down this year. I think the Gophers have a chance to do well in the Big Ten and contend (5 wins or more) for a Big Ten title. The Big Ten is down this year, no doubt about that!

wren says:

July 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

Sorry curious gold: I have never used a name like sherlock holms. Come on man!

wren and renagade rambler are certainly very similar(wren and ren…get it curious gold?) and I have never used a moniker change to attempt to be someone I am not. After all these years it’s just kind of fun to change monikers once in a while. The most creative name I ever used was roskolnekov. To any casual observer, wrn is the moniker that makes the most sense. However, if the ba$tards from gopherhole keep hijacking my moniker, anything goes. On this site though, I will always let everyone know who the real wren is, because I can not be copied or immitated.

This strib site, by the way, is the most honest site. When you brewster apologists try to wall paper this site with your allibies and excuses, there are others who stand up and say: “…just hold your horses brewball apologists: all is not just fine and dandy with this brewball we have been subjected to by prexy b and maturi.

So, Kent and the strib site has my loyalty. I’ll do my bit to increase the volumn of posts on this site. Those gopher illustrated and gopherhole are ok for you apologists and the sheep, but, this strib site is the only place to come to really post your passion about Golden Gopher Football.

There are no wimpy, company-line moderators who are biased and have an agenda on this strib site. None of that snow-job crap here like they have on gopherhole!

I hope for this brewster’s sake you are right that he will get at least 5 Big Ten wins or more in 2009 curious gold.

At any rate, we will come at brewball from all sides as we analyze what went right and what went wrong with the 2009 Big Ten football season. It is going to be told the way it is on this strib site…I do believe! That’s a good thing. That will continue to distinguish this site from those commerical sites like gopher illustrated and gopherhole. They want your MONEY…They want to own you and what you think and what you say. Not the strib site though! Let’s have at it once Big Ten Football starts! ; 0 )

gold04 says:

July 26th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Wren,

I wonder have you ever had the courage to disagree with Loon? Why are you so fearfull of Loon?

wren says:

July 26th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

curiousgoldohfour:

Just check out this partial post I made on July 21st:

This prexy b is out of touch. He should visit them down in iowa city to see what they are paying a border battle foe coach. “…show them the money…” prexy b. You had millions to buy out a contract a few years ago. You wiffed. You screwed up. You messed up big time with the hire prexy b. What are you going to do now???? Let this brewster go unextended another month…another football season…another couple of years the way you did with the previous coach before you extended him big time? How the heck is that going to look prexy b? What will the other Big Ten coaches do with THAT picture during recruiting periods? Or, are you REALLY going to extend some gm/recruiter who has accomplsihed nothing? You have GOT to be kidding me prexy b. Sorry buddy, good old prexy b…but…you are screwed. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. You just flat out made a BAD hire. Prexy’s who mess up big time need to just go away prexy b. Either extend this brewster or fire him. That is the ONLY course of action that you can take that has any honor…any chance of success…makes any kind of sense.

Take a look around you prexy b. A lot of Big Ten schools are extending their football coaches so that they can recruit and function. Of course, as we all know, prexy b, you really don’t give a rip about the football program. You are paying your hoops coach a LOT more than you are willing to pay someone to run the football program. DO something prexy b. Don’t just sit there…; 0 )…”

You mean that you don’t think the heat is on now that this zook character has been extended. Even established coaches like this ferentz have recently been extended…and the NU coach has been extended.

A coach can’t have his contract at under 3 years remaining. It is suicide for a prexy and his ad to let their football coach’s contract run down below 3 seasons remeining.

I’d say it certainly shows this brewster very little to zero respect by this prexy b and maturi…and maybe deservedly so! Maybe they have a very good reason for NOT extending this brewster. Maybe they have a really exciting Tubby Smith-like coach out there jsut waiting to sigh a 2.75 million per year seven year contract. Maybe this coach will be very high profile and recognizable!

I am NOT saying this is what is happening…I’m just saying “WHAT IF?????”

So, wouldn’t THAT be something, if my “what IF” situation was really happening? Just remember I am NOT saying this…I’m just saying “what if????” ; o )

Recruiting says:

July 27th, 2009 at 6:04 am

Curious George says:

July 26th, 2009 at 11:23 am

For those of you who are interested in the Gopher’s 2010 verbal commitment list, the attached link has all three recruiting services (Rival, Scout, and ESPN) rankings.

2010 Gopher Football Recruiting Commits
updated on Jul 20, 2009 2:08 PM CDT

follow maroon colored links to referenced sources

Scout Rivals Rivals ESPN
Name Hometown P Ht Wt 40 Stars Stars Rating Rating Video
Jimmy Gjere New Brighton, MN OL 6′7 275 4
4
5.9 79
Star Tribune

Lamonte Edwards Woodbury, MN ATH 6′2 215 4.48 3
4
5.8 76
YouTube

Tom Parish Hartland, WI QB 6′3 200 4.6 3
3
5.7 73

Donnell Kirkwood Delray Beach, FL RB 5′10 197 2
3
5.6 77
YouTube

Matt Eggen La Crosse, WI OL 6′5 290 3
3
5.5 76
YouTube

Zac Epping Kenosha, WI OL 6′2 274 5.72 3
3
5.5 73
YouTube

Antoine Lewis Maywood, IL DB 5′10 175 3
3
5.5 76
YouTube

Mark Lenkiewicz Tinley Park, IL OL 6′5 250 2
3
5.6 75

Kip Smith Broomfield, CO K 6′1 200 3
3
5.5 40
YouTube

Allen Veazie Houston, TX DB 5′11 165 4.4 2
N/A
N/A 75

http://www.thedailygopher.com/pages/2010-gopher-football-recruiting
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Wow, amazing list!!! Between them they have a total of 7 offers from BCS schools other than MN!!!!!!! Stunning……

OneOldGopher says:

July 27th, 2009 at 7:46 am

Just to kick a dead horse, but the great recruiter has to be looking at 2010 very carefully and success in recruiting defense is very much needed. We lose 18 of 26 graduating players from the defense.

The following Gophers graduate after this season. Starters with *.

3 of 4 D-Line will graduate this year.
3 backups will also graduate. This position is scary thin after 09. The recruits here are critical for rebuilding.

3 of the 10 current recruits are defensive players. That is a massive imbalance. Of the remaining scholarships available, there needs to be more on the defensive side of the ball. That is how I see the recruiting picture as of today.

Brown, Garrett DT,*
McKinley, Cedric DE,*
Small, Eric DT,*
Henderson, Raymond DE,
Moen, Barrett DT,
Onwuachi, Derrick DE,

3 of 3 starting linebackers will graduate this year.
4 backups will graduate after the season. Solid backups are in place, but the position is thin after that. This is a major recruiting objective for 2010.

Lawrence, Simoni LB,*
Campbell, Lee LB,*
Triplett, Nate LB,*
Hennessey, Thomas LB,
Sharpe, Rex LB,
Sveum, Patrick LB,
U’u, Logan LB,
Sherels, Marcus DB, *

2 of 4 DB’s graduate this year and 2 backups. This group has potential to develop with more recruits in 2010.

Simmons, Traye DB,*
McKelton, Michael DB,
Singletary, Marcus DB,
Stommes, Nicholas DB,

So, Brewster needs to really get out there and recruit defense. Line and Linebacker being the greater priority as we lack any depth at these two spots in 2010. If we do not land at least 3 lineman and 4-5 backs, this will leave the Gophs with substantial depth problems.

Offense is looking better.
We lose 2 of 3 starters at WR, but there is substantial depth for 2010.
Decker, Eric WR,*
Kuznia, Ben WR,*
Pittman, David WR,

The O-line loses 2 starters and 2 backups plus a tight end. 2010 looks solid for backups. So, we could recruit 1 more lineman, and hold pat on any other additions in this recruiting class. We know who we want here.
Ruckdashel, Ryan OL,
Stommes, Matt OL,
Tavale, Nedward OL,*
Tow-Arnett, Jeff OL,*
Tow-Arnett, Nick TE,

gold04 says:

July 27th, 2009 at 8:44 am

oneoldgopher,

Your point about a lot of the defense being gone after this year causes me to wonder why would we be better next year?
A lot of Gopher fans are saying watch out in year 4, we will be much better. Heck I’m not even sure if we’ll be better in year 5 when after year 4 we lose a lot of offensive players.

The more I think about it if we are going to win the Big Ten in Brewsters first five years then I think it needs to be done this year. Years 4 and 5 probably will be harder years to do that.

I know Michigan, OSU, and PSU will be back to their old selves by next year.

Our only chance to win the Big Ten title in Brewsters first five years will probably have to happen this year. I do not know if 10 wins this season will do it but time will only tell.

Wren talked about a blown chance last year with the easy schedule to win the Big Ten. I disagree. Even with the schedule being much tougher this year, we have no dominate team in the Big Ten. This might be a blown oppurtunity if we do not win a title this year. Will we win it? I don’t know. I Just predicted 10 wins with a shot at the title. It will be up to the coaches on how they get this team to perform this year.

I hate to bash the Big Ten but when you see us getting manhandled in bowl games these last few years, and word out of USC is that Carrol is getting tired of wopping on Big Ten teams in the Rose Bowl. The Big Ten this year might reach it’s lowest point ever this year.

Let’s hope Brewster has the lads ready to play this season. We were much better last year and hopefully we be much better this year. Time will only tell.

Clemento says:

October 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

Interesting and informative. But will you write about this one more?

Peter says:

November 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 am

In truth, immediately i didn’t understand the essence. But after re-reading all at once became clear.