Adam Weber on Manning Award Watch List

Posted on August 17th, 2009 – 6:31 PM
By Kent Youngblood

(Myron P. Medcalf filling in for Kent Youngblood.)

What’s up, everyone?

Gophers QB Adam Weber is on the watch list for the Manning Award, created in honor of the distinguished careers of Archie, Peyton and Eli Manning. The watch list was released Monday. Weber threw just eight picks in 410 attempts as a redshirt sophomore last season.

Weber joins Big Ten quarterbacks Juice Williams (Illinois), Terrelle Pryor (Ohio State), Darryll Clark (Penn State) and Ricky Stanzi (Iowa) on the watch list. The award has been around for four seasons and is sponsored by the Allstate Sugar Bowl.

-Tim Brewster told reporters Monday that the morning practice session was so scrappy he had to stop it a little early.

197 Responses to "Adam Weber on Manning Award Watch List"

Texas Gopher says:

August 17th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

Seems a little early in preseason camp for things to be getting “scrappy.” You can probably read whatever you want to into that tidbit by Myron. Any word on the extent of Ryan Wynn’s back injury??

Prime Time 28 says:

August 17th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

Quarterback play is probably the single most important position in both college and professional football. I find it interesting that the four other teams that I anticipate us to be competing with for the top five spots in the conference rankings all have their QBs listed for the Manning Award Watch.

Recruiting says:

August 17th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

Think me n Brew will roll one to celebrate:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/53365257.html

Prime Time 28 says:

August 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Recruiting, If you want some, you better bring some. I’m sorry. Bad joke. I couldn’t resist.

recruiting acts like a 12 year old says:

August 17th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Recruiting- your act is getting old and stale. How many more times are you going to add the link to the recruit supposedly getting busted with pot? We all get that you can’t stand Brewster. Unfortunately for you, no one cares. You’re so delusional you probably think he provided it for the kid. Move on from your obsession with Brewster and be positive for once. Are you a Gopher fan or not? What do you like about the program?

recruiting acts like a 12 year old says:

August 17th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Another thing, Recruiting. Did you actually read this post? It’s about a young student/athlete being put on an elite list in Division 1 football. Instead of trying to hijack this post about a recruit in 2011 in trouble with the law (quite common in D1 football, unfortunately) maybe you should instill some positivity and applaud Weber.

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 6:37 am

This first game agst Syracuse is making me nervous. Naming Paulus the starter over last year’s starter this early before the opener leads me to believe this guy could be the real deal. And we have nothing to prepare for him (tape to watch). New QB, offense is a mystery , new Head Coach, etc. This is a dangerous opener.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/paulus-named-starting-quarterback-at-syracuse/

jolietgopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:00 am

Texas Gopher,
I read the same article and had the same thoughts. But then again,the gophers (outside of a new head coach) are going to present Syracuse with the same problems- havent seen the new offense or defense. Might be less guess work with the defense since the d-cordinator is on his second go-round in the B10 and can get film on his previous work with Wis. Always have the butterflies going into the first game.. exciting but nervewracking. This is the fun of college football!

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:14 am

Joliet—good point about us being somewhat of a mystery also to them. I sure am glad ESPN is covering the game.

G1 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:22 am

Texas:

If Paulus has indeed already been named the starter, what does that say about how bad their QB was last season. That should really tell you the state the Syracuse program is in right now. They have been just as bad if not worse than the Gophs were in the Wacker era.

Gregory58 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:39 am

Tex is already getting the pre-game jitters, I love it! Season must be close ar hand…………..

Gregory58 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:39 am

sorry, at

Recruiting says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:53 am

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 6:37 am

This first game agst Syracuse is making me nervous. Naming Paulus the starter over last year’s starter this early before the opener leads me to believe this guy could be the real deal. And we have nothing to prepare for him (tape to watch). New QB, offense is a mystery , new Head Coach, etc. This is a dangerous opener.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/paulus-named-starting-quarterback-at-syracuse/
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After 8 months of big talk and bravado, the brewster bootlickers are beginning to quake in their boots at the prospect of playing not LSU, not Texas, not USC but Syracuse….lowly Syracuse?!?! Whew….their day of reckoning must be near! I love it!

Recruiting says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:00 am

G1 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 7:22 am

Texas:

If Paulus has indeed already been named the starter, what does that say about how bad their QB was last season. That should really tell you the state the Syracuse program is in right now. They have been just as bad if not worse than the Gophs were in the Wacker era.
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Or Brewster era……….

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:09 am

Some good pics and message from Joel in anticipation of TCF.

http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38605&SPID=3280&DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=204776450

Gregory58 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:10 am

Recruit,
Glad to see you have joined the moron club. The other two are waiting for you in their tree house.

Curious George says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:27 am

Tex and joliegopher – I think everybody (players and the fans) is going to have first game jitters. As Joliet pointed out there is even more unknowns for both teams than normal. As a result, the game is less predictable than games later in the season.

One additional unknown is what will be the impact of the 16 players leaving the Syracuse program (not through graduation) have. Will it be positive or a negative? It could be positive for Minnesota if Syracuse has lost some talent and experience or it could be a negative as a if the Gophers look beyond Syracuse to the Air Force Academy game because of this loss. Or it also could be negative for the Gophers if Syracuse is sky high because that may want to make a statement about their new program.

As Bud Grant said once said it is not just important who you are playing but when you are playing them. We probably won’t know until after the Syracuse game whether we are playing Syracuse at the right time. You might say that this is what makes football so enjoyable and frustrating; the yin and yang of football.

G1 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:57 am

Texas:

I should also note that I am too starting to get nervous for the Syracuse game but I think it is more along the lines of what curious had to say. First game jitters from the unknown involved with everything.

BigGuy says:

August 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am

Interesting…I was at the practice and thought sloppy would be a better discription of it. Passing game is ahead of running game. Wonder if that is a good or bad sign for our defense. The center position is a huge issue more so than what is being led on.

Recruiting says:

August 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am

Passing game is ahead of the running game because our DBs and OL suck…..

Vikings 88 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am

BREAKING NEWS–SOME REAL FOOTBALL NEWS IN THE TWIN CITIES:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/53568572.html

FARVE IS A VIKING!!!!! REPEAT–FARVE IS A VIKING!!!!! SORRY GOPHERS, PEOPLE WILL BE MORE INTERESTED IN THIS THAN ALL THE SQUAWING IN THE WORLD ABOUT YOUR APPLIANCE BOX SIZED STADIUM. VIKINGS RULE MN SPORTS!

G1 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am

Who are the Vikings? Are they that team from L.A. that wears purple?

Curious George says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:27 am

Recruiting – It is bad enough that you are an Iowa troll, but what worse is you are so lame. Get out of your parent’s basement and get a life.

wren says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:29 am

Syracuse MUST be a team on the rise. 3 of their ooc games during the next half a decade will be one game against USC and two games with Notre Dame! All three games will be at the new Meadowlands Stadium that houses the Jets and the Giants of the national fools league.

We all know that playign good ooc competition instantly gives a program credibility and can not possibly hurt them as they start to try to climb bacu up the ladder of respectability.

If they can hold USC to under a 63 to 13 score, it will, indeed be a moral victory. And, there is NO victory like a “moral” victory.

What they need to remember is that they MUST win Big East games starting very soon or this coach won’t be around for the USC/ Notre Dame games in the Meadow…

Recuriting of four star fantasy recruits will go off the charts IF this coach knows how to smooch up to the high school coaches and wear the right uniforms to impress potential recruits!

This new coach at Syracuse just might be able to ge withers and dunbar to join his staff! He should go with the spreadsy-wedsy, easty-westy spread-coast attack.

The new coach can easily throw this first season away.

But, IF he is really smart, he will try to bring macturi on board as a new ad and maybe in a year or so he can bring this brewster in as a tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator!!!!!

; 0 )

Prime Time 28 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am

I am fairly confident that our team will be well focussed and prepared for the Syracuse game. The environment in a dome will not be unfamiliar to the Gophers so the usual noise and vision issues nondome teams experience when visiting a dome team will not be an issue. Beyond that, the Gophers are just a better team and should be able to find a way to win no matter what the circumstance. egs: surprize better than average new QB, fired up fans and team for home opener or opponent getting more than share of calls. Frankly, we need to just take care of business with the Orangemen and then sequester the team as best possible to prepare for Air Force for the big HOME OPENER! BUT take care of Syracuse first. They are the single most important game at this time.

Derek says:

August 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 6:37 am

This first game agst Syracuse is making me nervous. Naming Paulus the starter over last year’s starter this early before the opener leads me to believe this guy could be the real deal. And we have nothing to prepare for him (tape to watch). New QB, offense is a mystery , new Head Coach, etc. This is a dangerous opener.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/paulus-named-starting-quarterback-at-syracuse/
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Paulus could be the real deal, but remember it has been 5 years since the kid played QB and it obviously was in high school. No reason to get overly worried. If we lose to Syracuse it will be a big disappointment.

Derek says:

August 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

Curious George says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:27 am

Tex and joliegopher – I think everybody (players and the fans) is going to have first game jitters. As Joliet pointed out there is even more unknowns for both teams than normal. As a result, the game is less predictable than games later in the season.

One additional unknown is what will be the impact of the 16 players leaving the Syracuse program (not through graduation) have. Will it be positive or a negative? It could be positive for Minnesota if Syracuse has lost some talent and experience or it could be a negative as a if the Gophers look beyond Syracuse to the Air Force Academy game because of this loss. Or it also could be negative for the Gophers if Syracuse is sky high because that may want to make a statement about their new program.

As Bud Grant said once said it is not just important who you are playing but when you are playing them. We probably won’t know until after the Syracuse game whether we are playing Syracuse at the right time. You might say that this is what makes football so enjoyable and frustrating; the yin and yang of football.
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I would say it is a positive, but if we want to be in the top half of the conference this year, we should beat Syracuse regardless.

Considering Syracuse has a QB with no game action in 5 years and a new staff, I would believe getting them to start the season would be a good time to play them.

Derek says:

August 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

recruiting acts like a 12 year old says:

August 17th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Another thing, Recruiting. Did you actually read this post? It’s about a young student/athlete being put on an elite list in Division 1 football. Instead of trying to hijack this post about a recruit in 2011 in trouble with the law (quite common in D1 football, unfortunately) maybe you should instill some positivity and applaud Weber.
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Recruiting is an Iowa troll that Kent hasn’t kicked off of here for some reason. He adds absolutely nothing to any conversation and is now chirping about a 2011 recuit in trouble as opposed to 25+ arrests his team has had in two years. We could lower our selves to his level and troll Iowa boards, but recruiting/Panther Hawk has been kicked off of most of them as well. Unless you like laughing at him, just ignore him.

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

I realize the opener is 2 and a half weeks away, but I am already uptight. I have gotten in the head of their OC and here is what he is thinking:
1) from the get-go the Gophers are going to blitz like crazy to put pressure on our inexperienced QB. Get him rattled, shake his confidence,etc.

2) therefore, we (Syracuse) are going to not even bother to set up a screen/draw package and start off with them.
3) that means Cosgrove and Co. should not throw the “kitchen sink” at Paulus early on in the game until the screens/draws have been stuffed a couple of times.
Geez, I’m psyched up about this season.

Vikings 88 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Derek says:

August 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

Recruiting is an Iowa troll that Kent hasn’t kicked off of here for some reason. He adds absolutely nothing to any conversation and is now chirping about a 2011 recuit in trouble as opposed to 25+ arrests his team has had in two years. We could lower our selves to his level and troll Iowa boards, but recruiting/Panther Hawk has been kicked off of most of them as well. Unless you like laughing at him, just ignore him.
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Ah yes, Derwreck, my dear little factory worker on lunch break, we have been through this so many times before. I am just as big a Golden Gopher fan as you are. The only difference between you and I, is I don’t have to worry about breaking my nose if brewster suddenly goes around a corner…

Gregory58 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

The swill Recruit spews is as worthless as the idiot Loon telling everyone what a failure Brewster is because Mason won big games against Penn State, OS, and Mich. Never mind he beat OS and Mich one time each in TEN years, last time I looked, Brewster has been here two years; it does’nt even make sense.

To hell with the Moron club, now three strong, the Gophers will handle Syracuse, the QB should present no problem as he hasn’t played. We want a nice win, understand that. You better worry about AF instead Tex (we can look ahead, the players can’t :) Very interested to see how Cal comes out of the gate………….

Rescooter says:

August 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

TG;

I believe the films from the Northwestern game from last year will be studied thoroughly. As you remember, Kafka for NW ran a lot of East/West QB keepers.

I see Paulus doing the same sort of thing. I’m hoping that Cosgrove/Lee will remidy that.

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

G58–my mantra all year will be one game at a time. But I agree, AF is a headache to prepare for and Cal. is going to be top 10 when they come to town I believe. In short, this is going to be a gut-wrenching season regardless of the final record. Exactly what makes CFB so special.

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Rescoot—good thinking. I would imagine Paulus could have a similar style. We know he will have good footwork and will see the field well.

Curious George says:

August 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Gregory58 – DAC is always pointing out the need to have both talent and depth on your roster. The moron club may be “three strong” but I wouldn’t say you could say there is a lot of depth there.

G1 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

I have to say, listening to the #4 circus all day has given me another reminder of the plethora of reasons why I like college football better than the No Fun League.

Prime Time 28 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

I believe the Defense and Offense needs to stay relatively basic for week one with a few special wrinkles prepared just for the Orangemen. Defensively, I would be surprised to see much blitzing out the box. We will work for run stop dominance and force them into passing situations, then contain the quarterback and show off our improved secondary play. The DLine should dominate. Check them out in the scrimmage Saturday if you can

david_allen_coe says:

August 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Tex … First game jitters are normal. In fact anyone who played knows you have jitters before every game if you have your head on right.

That goes for fans too. Take nothing for granted, overlook no one, and fear no one.

Somebody was going to quarterback Syracuse, whether it be Paulus or one of the guys returning from last year. It won’t make a big difference who.

If Greg Paulus can step on the field for a Division 1 college football game for the first time in five years and beat somebody, then that would be a shock.

Texas Gopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

DAC—I don’t want anyone from the top to the lowliest fair weather fan (Loon) to take anyone for granted. Paulus could be the second coming of Joe Montana for all we know. I did not think we had to worry about a second string QB from Northwestern running all over the field on us last year and remember what happened?? I’m telling you, Syracuse is a very dangerous opnener. I will not take them lightly.

Jimbo says:

August 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

Vikings 88 says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am

BREAKING NEWS–SOME REAL FOOTBALL NEWS IN THE TWIN CITIES:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/53568572.html

FARVE IS A VIKING!!!!! REPEAT–FARVE IS A VIKING!!!!! SORRY GOPHERS, PEOPLE WILL BE MORE INTERESTED IN THIS THAN ALL THE SQUAWING IN THE WORLD ABOUT YOUR APPLIANCE BOX SIZED STADIUM. VIKINGS RULE MN SPORTS
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You’d think if this character is so excited, he’d know how to spell his name. Obviously a transplanted Hogeye.

short ornery norwegian says:

August 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

A few Syracuse notes – courtesy of internet and FB preview magazines.

They are reportedly implementing a spread, no-huddle attack. Three returning starters projected in Offensive Line. If Paulus starts at QB, he could be the only senior starting on offense. RB’s are young but supposed to have some quickness.
Top WR is back after a year off due to grades.

Last year’s top running back was moved to linebacker. A lot of players on both sides of the ball have switched positions, esp. in def. secondary. Defense reportedly plans to run a 4-3 with lot of blitzes and press coverage. Lot of concern about DB’s.

On special teams, they’re supposed to have a good punter, but PK is up for grabs. They do have a good KR back.

david_allen_coe says:

August 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Tex …. We don’t need to watch film of Paulus. There is nothing new in college football.

The backup quarterbacks from Northwestern, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Iowa who beat us last season did not do so because they had invented something new.

They beat us because our defensive coordinator did not have us prepared for broken plays and QB scrambles. They beat us because the DC did not make proper adjustments to stop it. They beat us because Willie VanDesteeg continually got suck inside and then was beaten on the outside when the QB cut back against the grain.

The only film we need to watch to prepare for Paulus is our own film of those last four Big Ten games.

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Jolietgopher, how you can think Mason must have been crushed by a multi year, multi million dollar buyout is past my understanding.

I hereby officially offer to never post on an internet site regarding the Gophers if you will just buy me out at a small fraction of what Mason got.

Over the past two years the only ones I have seen laughing at us are the other Big Ten programs. Certainly I’m not laughing about our 3-13 record.

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

If we lose to Syracuse you would have a hard time showing anyone what six games we would win. Talk about taking the air out of the opening of TCF! A “much improved program on the rise” would not lose that game.

It will be nothing more nor less than getting the job done or being seen as not ready, again.

jolietgopher says:

August 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Loon,

I dont recall ever talking about the mental state of Glen Mason when he was let go. In fact, he was probably happy as hell to get the money for no work. When you look at programs that are not Florida, or ND and do not have a state in which the kids play spring ball in high school or have a national recruiting system in place, putting in a new coach means a dip in the W’s. If you are realistic in your expectations, which frustrated fans arent, you realize that growing pains are necessary for growth. I wouldnt say Illinois was laughing at us last year, or Purdue. Iowa, sure giving us a drubbing like that will make them feel good, but we have given teams in the big 10 beat downs, but the next year a different team suits up and the game is played. Dont get me wrong, I have been where Loon and Wren have been, I hated the last five games last year. But, I saw development over the entire year. I saw that our head coach has the analytic ability to make changes on the field, and I saw his analytic ability for his coaches on the off season. I saw that the kids Brewster brought in at WR were not developed enough to be threats against the big time programs, so the defensive line could tee off on Weber and chase him around. But, we won on the road a couple of times, I dont remember to often winning multiple big ten games on the road during Wacker years or Mason years or the first year of Brewster, but Brester made changes and we were more competitive.

The main arguments here between the Masonites and the rest of us are timing and expectations vs. aggrevation. I know that a growing program will stumble, and will get the snot kicked out of them. I know that a first time head coach will have a hard time motivating kids who go through a loss like the gophers did against NW last year. Mason had his stumbling blocks against Michigan time and time again and after that game, his teams did not perform.. but you saw the same trends year in and year out…and no changes occured, there was no improvement in the program after the sixth and seventh years. And finally we all got tired and frustrated until Maturi and the boosters saw that a new stadium needed new blood for the program to continue. THe timing for expecting 5 wins–obviously a couple of us believe it is this year, the rest of us think that may be next year or the year after that, but dont think we all have to think because of the frustration WE ALL FEEL, that Brewster is on a time schedule. Brewster has shown growth, he has shown he can recruit, but the timing of expectations of a couple of us, I believe, are a little early.

Curious George says:

August 18th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

Jolietgopher – I really have enjoyed your thoughtful posts but I am quite puzzled by the following quote by you: “I have been where Loon and Wren have been.”
I don’t exactly know where you were, but you don’t seem to be at all like Loon nor Wren. I always have been amazed how people having the same experience can turn out so differently. Whatever you did to achieve these differnt results, you should be congratulated.

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Joliet, what “growth” did you see in, for example, the Iowa game? How many of the freshmen did you see step up by that late point in the season? I saw ONE (TS), on kick returns.

For example, even in the bowl game Green still did not understand his route assignment in some situations.

Overall, I do not recall a year in which only ONE freshman had any impact at all.

For the record, I did NOT see a team that was “growing” or maturing or had young guys setting old guys aside.

There is a book out entitled “How People Make Decisions”. This book explains how you could decide that the last five games encouraged you. The thesis of the book is that people gather information and then squeeze the information so they can decide whatever they want to decide. I lack that ability. I will only see the Gopher program improving when I see the Gopher program improving.

As of last year, we were a terrible 7-6 team. I thought and said that I thought we were the worse 7-1 team I had ever seen (two players playing catch).

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

Joliet, here are some more facts that directly contradict what you state in your post. You said “I know that a growing program will stumble, and will get the snot kicked out of them.”

In our third year under He Who Shall Not Be Named we won 5 Big Ten games. So let us go back and look at how his second season closed out. Brew lost his last five games last year and got “the snot kicked out” of him.

Here are the last five games of HWSNBN second year:

10/24/98 Minnesota 19, MSU 18

10/31/98 Michigan 15, UM 10

11/7/98 at UW 26, UM 7

11/14/98 at IU 19, UM 18

11/21/98 Minnesota 49, Iowa 7

An improving program LOOKS like it is improving, not getting the snot kicked out of them. And that was a coach who took over a program that had had three BT wins in the previous THREE years.

Shall I post the Brewster record last year over our last five games? Maybe everyone should try real, real hard to remember what that was ACTUALLY like.

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

One last thing Joliet, you say that some people think Brew should get another pass on this his third year because it will be in his fourth or fifth year that we win six Big Ten games.

Here is what we know now about the 2011 schedule, his fifth season. Where do you see all the wins? (That is besides the obvious at USC to open the season.)

at Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan and Iowa.

home to Wisconsin, Michigan State, Northwestern and Penn State.

As HWSNBN once said, in the Big Ten you play a top schedule every year. And remember, we don’t get to play Minnesota ever.

AND, I ask again, when was the last time a team played all three of the Big Three and won the Big Ten?

short ornery norwegian says:

August 18th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

(I was going to post something else here, but I thought twice and deleted it. My original post was a lot angrier, but I decided to take a different tack.)

No sarcasm here – I mean this sincerely:

Loon, everytime I read one of your posts I get depressed. The sheer amount of negative energy you emit is mind-boggling. I just don’t get it.
I mean, I understand that you think Mason was a better coach than Brewster. Fine – it’s a free country, and you have every right to your opinion.

But, when someone disagrees with you, you just have to attack them. Just once – I mean, just once, can’t you just say “I don’t agree with you, but I respect your right to have your own opinion.” Every discussion on this board doesn’t have to turn into a fight – but you seem to go out of your way to provoke people.

What do you accomplish? What do you accomplish? answer – you piss people off, which I have to assume is your intention. You’re not going to change people’s minds, at least not the way you go at it.

You are not god. You are not omnipitent. You do not have all the answers. So stop acting like you do.
Why can’t we ever just have a fun conversation about football on this blog?

Damn, I’m depressed. I’m going to have some more ice cream and go to bed.

andover joe says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

Somethings never change.
We get another year of Loon pontificating about yesteryear?
Here’s what we know about Mason: his program sucked at the end.
And he had A student Russell. And the jailbirds.
Get over it Loon: Mason’s time was long since up.

Brewster stepped into a pile of Mason doodoo.
And now we get to see a glimpse of what he has recruited. I think 7-5 would be boffo with this schedule, but it will be tough.
And the outdoor stadium, it didnt do anything in the 1970′s for the W’s and L’s. Let’s hope he has recruited some bigtime talent!
Go Gophs!!!

Loon may miss squinty-puzzled, but that is because he is a phony fan!

david_allen_coe says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

Shorty … You cannot possibly let a professional loser get you down. People like that thrive on negativity, hopelessness, and futility. It is all he knows. He must invent it, project it, and pray for it.

According to Loon, to lose to Syracuse, a Division 1, BCS, Big East conference team would be so devastating that the Gophers should cancel the rest of their season if it happens. As a professional loser he would love to see it happen. He loves losing because it vindicates his sour and dour negativity.

He would happily see 100 young men who have worked and trained for months and years to play this season lose their opportunity because they lost one game.

Loon believes Michigan should have dropped football after losing to Appalachian State. He believes Wisconsin should have cancelled the following season after nearly losing in overtime at home to the San Luis Obispo Community College junior varsity.

Loon believes any Big Ten team that loses a non-conference should report for duty to the Glen Mason Memorial Patsies Conference and play a steady schedule of Buffalo, Wofford, Louisiana-Washington, Louisiana-Adams, Louisiana-Jefferson, Louisiana-Monroe, Louisiana-Hoover, Louisiana-Truman, Louisiana-Clinton, and Louisiana-Marx.

andover joe says:

August 18th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

And let’s recall the genius of Loon from last year, before we started 7-1, and then folded in typical MASON fashion.

The Loon says:
August 27th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Dear Gold04,
Firing Mason at huge cost was very, very, very stupid. We now face destroying the best thing this program has done in forty years, openning the new stadium. Sorry Gold04, you guys have really, really hurt this program a ton. I have no idea where we go from here, but this current chapter has a terribly long way to go before we are going to hit the bottom very hard. It sickens me to be shown to be so correct about where the “Fire Mason” stupidity was going to take us.

The Loon says:
August 28th, 2008 at 9:41 am
No one can expect the media to ignore the Grey story nor the very negative implications for our program that comes from that story. But now the hype season is over again and the real football games will be played. It should be no real problem for the team to win this game with whatever players are not in “jail”.

The Loon says:
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 am
It is going to be the Indiana game that will really tell us a lot about our team.

Hey Loon, WHAT did the Indiana game teach you last year?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the Loon says:

August 18th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

Whereas I post the facts others attack me personally because they just don’t have the facts. They post their opinions which are contrary to the facts that we have. Go ahead and disagree with me whenever and as often as you like, but use the facts.

You get angry because my facts do not fit your “fun”. The point I made above was perfectly valid if unpleasant to you: as a program is improving you can easily see the improvement on the field even before the wins pile up. Nobody actually saw the team playing well or promisingly or “better” in the second half of the season. We were as bad as we ever get.

I just can not do what you can do, see what is not on the field. Sorry that aspect of my personality annoys you. Too bad. This is the “next level” you wanted and I did warn you about. You wanted “change” and we have sure gotten change.

I hope the coaches are 100% better than they were last year and the rookies do a great job. I hope to be shocked at just how much better the veterans will be than last year. But, after 43 years, I see what I said above, that has not been my experience unless Dunbar was worse than even I thought (not possible).

PS The Indiana game taught me just what I said above: we were the worse team with a good record that I could recall. In my little brain if you can not run the ball and do not have a dominating D you are going to get killed once the other teams figure out you can not run the ball.

Until Kent kicks me off the site you will continue to get my honest views of what I actually see, good, bad, whatever. Gopher football is my passion and I do not post to annoy you or please you. I post because I want to.

jolietgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:01 am

Loon, For the last time….we get angry because you do not read and understand the posts. I have stated a number of times that the last five games of the year sucked, I believe I have stated it in my last three posts. But saying a program is not developing SOLELY due to the number of wins might be your way of analysis, but it is not mine, saying that the current coach had better live up to the expectations of a forgettable coach may be your analysis, but its not mine. Go back to glord days of HWWNBN, but what good will it do you other than make you angry? You can read the last three posts for my thoughts on the Mason years. Take it for what its worth.. Nothing.

So there was NO GROWTH last year because they lost the last game of the year badly? Really, winning games on the road when they didnt the year before shows NO GROWTH? The turnover differential on the defense shows NO GROWTH? winning 3 big ten games a year after winning none shows NO GROWTH? Getting to a bowl game in a coaches second year shows NO GROWTH?

Basing what you think will happen in the fifth year of a program because of the results of the second year is just irrational and I guess complete LOONACY.. In that year Gray will hopefully be the quarterback, but who will be the RBs, who are the offensive and defensive lineman going to be? We have no idea, there are two more recruiting classes and two more years of JC transfers who will be in the program, who knows who the coach is going to be.. Maybe OSU will be looking for a new coach and hire Brewster away…There is no one intelligent talking about how the 2011 seasonwill play out. Talking about how having those teams on the schedule is an enticemnet to the elite players who want to play on that stage is a different matter, completely different context and angle. Again a difference in opinion on analysis W’s versus the program in entirety which is working to better itself.

The reason I look and have analysis the way I do is partly due to the Mason years. He stagnated, he could do nothing more with the program he was running, he could not get the Minnesota recruits, he could not get elite (which I would define as four star)recruits on a regular basis. He showed no faith in his program by scheduling Akron and ND State, I understand one easy game at the beginning of the year to ease into the system, but Mason showed no growth in his recruiting, his relationships with the alumni, administration, fans, kept talking about how the program could not be an elite program because it played in the B10 and teams who play in the B10 cant afford to play Texas, USC due to the fact that the players were not good enough to handle the schedule. He had his chance, he showed that the APEX he hit in Kanasas was the APEX he could hit in Minnesota and go no further, there was no growth and development from an average program to a above average program. Thats the objective.

As for younger kids moving older kids aside… WHAT OLDER KIDS ARE THERE? You had a sophmore starting at QB, a freshman at RB, a junior at WR. But from what I saw at the spring game, Weber had better be looking over his shoulder because if he doesnt perform he may well be pushed aside. We had no OLDER kids to push aside. We have 18 returning starters, that means that only 5 (including the punter) kids were seniors, that point is non-existant.

Do not know when the last time a team beat the big three and won the B10, but if you keep treating them that way, you have defeatest attitude that condems you to losing no matter what. So, becuase we have to play 3 teams OUT OF 12, there is no way we should play an elite team in the non conference schedule? Not get the exposure, not be able to tell recruits to come to Minnesota so they can play the best? NOPE, come to Minnesota to play the ZIPS. Come to play the same teams year after year, and go to El Paso. You’ll love it, the smog in the morning, get a pair of cowboy boots every year. It will be something to tell your grandkids about.

Loon, saying that Brewster sucks is not stating fact, its your opinion. Saying that you did not see growth for the entire season because of the loss in the last game is not fact, it is opinon. Saying that you dont see wins in the 2011 season based on the program in 2009 is not fact, it is opinion. Telling me what Mason did in his second year is History, it is fact, but it is history. Telling me scores of the last five games is fact, and I appreciate the debate. But MY opinion, based on MY analysis is that I did see growth.I do have hope for the future from what I see developing over the last two years. But again, that is my opinion. And I will continue to post becasuse I want to.

Hawks says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:56 am

Morning Guys! Went to http://www.startribune.com/ this morning and couldn’t find any golpher coverage-just Vikings. Whud up? Thought you guys were the hottest ticket in town with that sexy locker room and all?

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:35 am

Joliet—keep fighting the good fight.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am

Why do you people continue to respond to loon? He isn’t going to change. Let’s look at his behavior. He arrogant, a narcissist, has a god complex, obsessive, hateful, controlling, a liar, doesn’t listen to what other people say, rigid in his views, etc. etc. etc. You’re wasting a lot of personal energy and electrons on this very confused and deluded person. The choice is yours.

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:44 am

I hope the Favre move is a disaster for the Vikings.

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am

CG–I think we respond to Loon/Wren because we realize that balance is needed. Imagine you are a recruit or parent of one coming to this site with no one to counter Loon/Wren?? They would think we are all a bunch of negative, unsupportive losers. I appreciate anyone that tells Loon/Wren they have a negative, defeatist, loser attitude and are not representative of most fans of the U of M.

Hawks says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:21 am

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am

Why do you people continue to respond to loon?

Looks to me like the guy makes some pretty vaild points. It takes real guts to announce the emporer has no clothes….

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am

Tex – An interesting perspective. I can’t imagine what it would be like for a parent or a recruit and read loon’s insane postings. I expect that part of his motivation is to do damage to the Brewster and the Minnesota football program. It is sad to see what hate can do to some people.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:36 am

For those of you who can’t sleep over the prospect of Greg Paulus starting at QB for Syracuse September 5, note that the folks in Syracuse are a little worried about it too. This from a Syracuse blogger:
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“Folks are gonna have fun with this tomorrow and that’s fine. Syracuse fans need to accept how absurd this sounds as well. A guy who hasn’t played football for four years and is best known as being America’s version of an Italian soccer player just beat out every other guy on the roster to take the starting quarterback role. If anyone other team was doing this, we’d laugh to. So let it go. Revel in it. Enjoy it. Folks won’t think much of us no matter who’s playing QB. Might as well make it entertaining.

And if it just so happens that’s he half the QB he was in high school and we win a game or two we weren’t supposed to…all the better.”

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:38 am

“I expect that part of his motivation is to do damage to the Brewster and the Minnesota football program. It is sad to see what hate can do to some people.”
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No, not part of his motivation. All of it … 100%. He cares nothing about the Gopher program or players; only about his selfish interest in who is the coach. Everything he has posted here has been directed at undermining and sliming Gopher football.

Hatred based on selfishness is particularly ugly.

Hawks says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:47 am

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am

Tex – An interesting perspective. I can’t imagine what it would be like for a parent or a recruit and read loon’s insane postings. I expect that part of his motivation is to do damage to the Brewster and the Minnesota football program. It is sad to see what hate can do to some people.
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Kindly point out just 1 inaccuracy in his statements????

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:47 am

If new players were not displacing older players last year, who was on the sidelines while TDLeon and Shady were playing running back?

Who was on the sidelines while Green, Smith, McNight, and Lair were on the field at wide receivers and tight end?

Who was on the sidelines while Jewhan Edwards took a regular shift at defensive tackle?

Who was on the sidelines while Troy Stoudermire was setting kick return records?

Who was on the sidelines when McKinley, Kirksey, and Jacobs were playing on the defensive line?

Who was on the sidelines while Lawrence, Simmons, and Brock started and played every game?

Either a lot of holdover players were watching a lot of football from the sidelines or Loon is suggesting we would normally have played with only four or five guys on the field.

That’s his version of facts?

My version of facts is that 12 true freshmen and five juco transfers played and contributed last year. No other Big Team came remotely close to having that many newcomers on the field.

Hawks says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:51 am

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:36 am

For those of you who can’t sleep over the prospect of Greg Paulus starting at QB for Syracuse September 5, note that the folks in Syracuse are a little worried about it too. This from a Syracuse blogger:
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For a program “on the rise” and looking for better competition [USC], goofer fans are sure spending a lot of time focusing on the “watering down” of their first opponent due to players leaving, a rusty starting QB and now no placekicker. What gives??????? No 9 win team should be this afraid of lowly Syracuse?!?!!??!!??!!?

Hawks says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:54 am

“My version of facts is that 12 true freshmen and five juco transfers played and contributed last year. No other Big Team came remotely close to having that many newcomers on the field.”

So…only MN’s underclassmen will be improved this season and none of the Fr, So & Jrs who played for other Big 10 teams last year? Interesting theory!

Jimbo says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:00 am

Hey, Looney Toons, is the cheating conspiracy still going on? I seem to remember the lion’s share of your postings last year were dedicated to it.

How dare you contend that you merely state facts.

You are clinically depressed and a hate-monger, and hope the Gophers fail under Brewster to validate your pathetic existence.

Now THAT’s a fact!

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:06 am

tex, you old brewster spinner and apologist:

You say:

“…CG–I think we respond to Loon/Wren because we realize that balance is needed. Imagine you are a recruit or parent of one coming to this site with no one to counter Loon/Wren?? They would think we are all a bunch of negative, unsupportive losers. I appreciate anyone that tells Loon/Wren they have a negative, defeatist, loser attitude and are not representative of most fans of the U of M.”

CONTRAST: that is exactly why I need to continue to point out how things really are. You and your ilk try to cheerlead and say “all is well…” IF this site had ONLY your distorted way of looking at things, people would think that Minnesota Fans were the biggest crazies out there. How the heck can you say that all is well when this brewster TANKED the final five games in 2008 in the fashion he was blasted, blistered, destroyed and humiliated. Being outscored 123 t 27 in the last 3 games of the year…loing 4 Big Ten games in succession, all of the turnover in coaching…(that kind of instability is a killer) and some of the other questionable happenings MUST be examined, discussed and inserted into the equation of the assessment of the direction the gm/recruiter is leading this program. The role of the administrators MUST be included in the overall problems, challenges and opportunities this program faces.

Living in dreamland may be something you like to do tex…but…we have got to keep things REAL here too. The TRUTH will assert itself as the Big Ten Season plays out in 2009. We shall demand the truth. The Big Ten Schedule will show us the truth. Big Ten wins are needed…Big Ten losses are killes to any kind of mighty mo that you brewster apologists claim that this brewster has going. I say: “show me with a LOT of Big Ten wins in 2009 brewster!” It is going to be “show time…” during the Big Ten season in 2009 tex. Are you ready to see what we shall see? I want a LOT of Big Ten wins tex…how abut you? How important will the number of Big Ten wins be in 2009 tex????? I say that question is the ONLY question that matters at this point in time… ; 0 ) Let’s not be afraid to look at the numbers here tex. You and your brewster apologist buddies say “all is well…” with this brewball stuff that this brewster will HAVE to unveil sooner rather than later.

Gregory58 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:17 am

Hey CG, Hawk adds some much needed depth, MC is now at 4!

jolietgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:40 am

Wren,

Talk about living in a dreamlnad. Mason was the best thing that happened to Gopher football in the last 40 years? THAT is dreamland. He set this program back after he TANKED it for the last 4 years of his coaching.

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:40 am

This is the “next level” you wanted and I did warn you about. You wanted “change” and we have sure gotten change.
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Sorry Curious but some things just can be ignored.

This is what we “changed” from after the last 12 games with ten years of Masonball. Six straight BT losses then wins over bottom feeders IU, MSU and Iowa, who won a total of 6 BT games between them in 06. Then add in losses to Virginia, Cal and of course the finale to Texas Tech. 3-9 the last 12 games even with quality players such as Matt Spaeth, Dom Barber, Logan Payne, Ernie Wheelwright, Pinnix, and a seasoned Brian Cupito at QB, with a program Mason proclaimed was rebuilding in year ten. That is the type of program the Loon was comfortable with and satisfied with.

The UM finally realized that Mason would never get us to the next level. Plus the UM has a vision and a standard which would never be fulfilled with Mason at the helm. That is; improve recruiting, improve the image of Gopher football statewide and be more competitive.

Brewster has struggled in his first two years. But name me a coach that would have been successful with the lack of quality players left behind? I have posted numerous times that IF Mason would have been retained after 06, he would have been fired after the 07 season anyway. Thus we have moved up the rebuilding process by at least one year.

All this talk and rhetoric will soon go by the wayside as its time to see improvements with Brewsterball. Time we see his heralded recruits perform at a higher level than what we have seen in the past and time to see an improved offense and steady and consistent D.

The Three Stooges have already declared the demise of Coach Brewster and revel in that thought. They have their “I Told You So” posts already written. Iowa and Wisky hung with Alvarez and Ferentz after two horrible years and Minnesota will do the same. And rightly so as you don’t fire a coach after two seasons.

Joliet’s posts are right on.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:42 am

Jumbo …. Loon is a professional loser.

He has so aclimated himself to losing in his personal life that it simply terrifies him to contemplate a new coach coming in here and lifting the program above Masonocrity. He is in a cold sweat.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:44 am

I thought it would nice to post something that is actually about the upcoming football season. I am sure all of you are tired of the endless babblings of the world according to loon, our resident narcissist.

Tex has been asking about the status of Ryan Wynn. In the fourth paragraph it talks about his doctor appointment on Monday but doesn’t give much insight to his prognosis. It certainly does not say he will be out for the season per Sid’s column.
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By Marcus Fuller on August 18, 2009

Gophers coach Tim Brewster said Saturday’s scrimmage would be similar to the spring game with four, 12-minute running quarters.

Everything else will be more similar to the Sept. 12 home opener against Air Force. Along with the expected 30-40,000 fans, there will be a victory walk into the new stadium from the McNamara alumni center across University Avenue.

“We’ve got work to do,” Brewster said. “Obviously, (there will be) a full house in the stadium and tremendous excitement about the stadium, but we’ve got to understand it’s a work day. It will be a great opportunity for us to go through our pre-game operation.”

The team will arrive two hours before the scheduled 3 p.m. start to begin game preparation and conduct pre-game warm-ups. Gates for the premium seating areas and media open at 1 p.m. and the rest of the stadium opens at 1:30 p.m. for students and season-ticket holders only.

– Sophomore center Ryan Wynn, who has been sidelined since camp opened, had a doctor appointment Monday morning to figure out the severity of his back injury, according to Brewster. Wynn was said to be day-to-day last week.

– Brewster called the offensive line a “work in progress,” but he said the attitude and willingness was there. It will be interesting to see how well the line opens holes for the run game and protects quarterback Adam Weber during Saturday’s scrimmage. It didn’t look particularly solid in the spring game.

– When asked if freshman linebacker Sam Maresh would get to play this season, Brewster said he didn’t know. He said the Gophers don’t know if they’re going to redshirt anybody at this point, which isn’t surprising.

– While usually answering questions about Weber and his backup MarQueis Gray, Brewster also talked about the play of freshman quarterback Moses Alipate on Monday.

“Moses is in the elementary stages of growing as a quarterback,” he said. “He’s got talent. He’s a big, strong, physical guy with a strong arm who just needs to soak and learn and grow. He’s taking small steps like most true freshman in camp right now. He’s got a great attitude. Obviously, he’s got some physical gifts.”

– Weber is one of 38 players on the preseason watch list for the Manning Award, given to the nation’s best quarterback.

– The Twins deadline to sign receiver Eric Decker passed at midnight without any resolution. Of course, Decker appeared to have been leaning toward an NFL career for some time now, especially since he has a former NFL receivers coach as his new offensive coordinator in Jedd Fisch. Who better to prepare him for the next level.

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:48 am

Take a look at the 1999 and 2003 rosters. Big time CFB coaches would drool over the thought of coaching all that talent. Yet the best Mason could do was post 5 BT wins. That will be a major part of his legacy as Gopher coach.

Most of us here have high standards for Gopher football. Mason was successful in elevating a bad program to mediocrity and I give him credit for that. But never, I repeat never, was able to win big and often.

We are in the Brester era now with a new stadium and 09 promises to be a very, very interesting season.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:49 am

“Time we see his heralded recruits perform at a higher level than what we have seen in the past … ”
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Yes, we want and expect more and better performance from the Brewster recruits but …. which team got more from its 2008 recruiting class than Minnesota?

Eskridge, Saloman, Green, Smith, McNight, Lair, Stoudermire, Lawrence, Brock, Simmons, Kirskey, Edwards, McKinley, Pittman, Sharpe?

Wisco Guy says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:53 am

30 to 40k?? Know any more good jokes? lol

“tremendous full house?” Keep’em coming, brewcrew, you are killing me!

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:59 am

Bayfield – All of you do an excellent job of refuting loon’s and wren’s inane postings. One of the more interesting things is that nothing registers with them. Talk about being in denial (No loon. Denial is not a river in Egypt). I just need to keep saying to myself that this is a “Three Stooges” comedy.

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:20 am

Thanks CG for the info.

Stating that the OL is a “work in progress” is probably right on. This group is very inexperienced although much more physically mature that the 08 version of the OL. I have stated that the putting a good OL this Fall is not an automatic and still have reservations on how well they will perform. I expect to see ongoing improvement as the year progress which was absent in 08. 2010 could be their year.

I am glad to see Coach Brewster finally tone down his comments about players. I remember his eccentric and giddy comments about many of the players in 07, including the plaudits he gave Steve Davis at LB, how great the DL would be, etc. It seems he is more realistic and contained in his public evaluation of his players. And coaching staff as well. Best coaching staff in college football??????? Hmmmm.

He has been around CFB it bit now and hopefully has a better handle on what it takes to put together a successful program. I trust he has learned a lot. Enthusiasm and a ton of confidence are just a smattering of what is required.

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:41 am

So, Bayfield…what’s new????? Even coaches like Bierman and Warmath sucked so much they were run off even though they had won 6 National Championships between them during the course of their careers at Minnesota. And do you know what????? it would appear to me that this brewster is the LEAST and the worst of the many coaches that we have had that have sucked at the University of Minnesota. We will run his sorry butt off. Count on it. The exact day, or month or season doesn’t matter. I hope he outlasts this prexy b and macturi though.

We keep the darn administrators entire too long and run off too many football coaches. THAT is our problem. And, it is always the basketball program that goes off the deep and and gets this institution in trouble. When will the administrators learn that lesson?????

The idiotic administrators underachieve on what they do with and for the football program and always get sucked into trying to “hit it big” with the basketball program. TWICE as much for a hoops coach as a football coach. (It’s fine to pay Tubby that much IF he gets the results. So far a 6th place finish and last year a tie for 7th and 8th place. Hopefully, the bang for the buck will improve. But, at least with Tubby’s teams, the improvement can be seen to some extent. Where as with this brewster he blew off the final five games of the season in 2008 and the team got progressively worseas the year wore along and the competition got a little bit stiffer.

THAT shows what the current administration thinks about the football program vs the basketball program. Spending twice as much for a coach for hoops as they are spending for a low-budget gm/recruiter for the football program speaks volumns of what this prexy b and macturi think of the two programs. That kind of attitude is just another reason why we keep running off football coaches…even if we have to spend the really big bucks buying out football coaches contracts. Heck…we are even paying a failed offensive coordinator BIG BUCKS for not coaching. Now THAT is some kind of leadership from this prexy b and macturi that speaks very badly for the management of the University of Minnesota resources.

This time, let’s run off the darn administrators!

IF the football program is run THIS poorly, how bad are all the academic programs being run??? Hopefully they kind of take care of themselves…BUT… ; 0 (

This prexy and this administration need to go!

Mason sucked and he was the best we have had in a long time Bayfield. Things are really headed south under this brewster. Did you SEE that iowa game in the dome in 2008 in person Bayfield????? I am still feeling rather queezy after that game. As far as I am concerned that was the worst of the worst in the past 20 years…at LEAST.

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:45 am

Joliet,if you saw improvement in the program based on any of the last five games of the season you were only seeing improvement over Brewster’s first season. The single worse season in the long history of our program.

If you look at the last five games played of 2008 and compare them to the last five games of either 2006, or the example I used, 1998 (HWSNBN second year) anyone with an objective mind can clearly see that it is not just the wins and losses that are different as you claim.

You say what Bayfield says, we were never going to get to the Rose Bowl under Mason. In hindsight it is now clear that Mason was gone within months of Maturi being hired. Maturi’s strategy of sending Mason out to recruit without a real contract for two years was the end of Mason. The one year multi million dollar farce before the Virginia game just burned off a third year of recruiting in order to get TCF. Now you guys need to see that as Mason quitting on you and recruiting. OK, I saw it as one in a string of Maturi firing, hiring, “plausible deniability” disasters in his management style. I have argued one hundred times plus that the firing of a coach should always be well planed (as the Badgers do it) or a knife in the back in the middle of a night. We have certainly reaped the disaster that Maturi’s campaign left of Gopher recruiting over those three years.

Your plan, not mine. You were warned by me and others.

Like all humans on this planet we live with the results of our decision. Maturi listened to your advice, not mine. Now you argue that 3-13 over the past two years shows how bad HWSNBN was as a coach and recruiter.

This year? You say, no one can know. You say that I want Brewster to fail. No, his failure is my failure and I object to that reality you have left me with. Your bright idea, not mine.

Where do we go from here? I have zero confidence in Maturi. Unless a Tuby Smith falls out of the sky, he is clueless as a leader. I hope Brewster finally reveals himself as a coach that has a system that wins games and utilizes the players he has to THEIR potential not his plan de jour.

Right now we have reestablished ourselves as the tenth best program in the Big Ten and no one worth spit will want this job. If a three time conference “Coach of the Year” (MAC, Big Twelve and Big Ten) was not good enough for this tenth best program in the Big Ten, who would want this job as anything other than a stepping stone to anywhere else?

I have no idea how we get out of this mess that Maturi has built here if this season goes wrong. I have always said that firing Brewster will just be the next episode of a bad soap opera. The digging of the hole we dug over 42 years just keep going and going. “If this guy doesn’t dig us out of this hole, we Gopher fans will just find us another guy who can dig us out!”

OK.?

I am left with Wren’s line of thinking. We had better win a lot of Big Ten games this year. That would be a good thing for everyone. My prediction is that if we beat Syracuse and Air Force Maturi will sign Brew to another year right away because he does not have another plan that makes any more sense than his five year campaign to replace Coach Mason.

jolietgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am

Wren: Think about what you are posting. The admininstration doesnt think that highly of our program? What about spending $300 million on a new stadium during the worst economy in the last 70 years? The salary of Smith compared to Brewster– again you cant compare them.. Smith has earned his salary by winning a National Championship. Running off a coach= How can you say Minnesota ran off Mason after TEN YEARS AND THREE RE-NEGOTIATED CONTRACTS. I guess his actions of holding the program hostage for three different programs has nothing to do with it… the fact he didnt improve has nothing to do with his firing, the fact he lost the biggest lead in the history of bowl games (which just furthered his trend of losing leads) had nothing to do with his being let go.

Loon- How else can you compares BREWSTERS improvement other than comparing his seasons in entirety. You can not argue the program was better under Mason in any terms of recruiting, so NOW YOU BLAME IT ON THE ADMINISTRATION who gave Mason every chance to succeed. You have no legs to stand on, so keep blaming other people. You actually sound like Mason.. GLEN is this you.. shouldnt you be off watching peoples money in the investing world rather than blaming Maturi for your mess? When did Mason win those awards in his career, a few years in as coach for each of those programs.. eventually at Kansas and Minnesota he wore off his welcome and stagnated. Kansas didnt act quick enough to get rid of him, but Maturi did. He saw through the sham Glen.

As for reestablishing ourselves as the tenth worst program in the big ten? HMMM, I would say we are far better off than Purdue, Inidiana, Illinois, maybe Wisconsin and Northwestern. But that is just my humble OPINION. But keep going off onto new tangents you two, eventually you will have no one else to blame but the janitor at the Dome… eventually you WILL see the TRUTH.

G1 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am

Man does this board make my head hurt!

Gregory58 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:32 am

Wisco makes 5.

Startign to get a bit crowded in the Loon ey bin.

Wren, seriously, take your meds.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:42 am

I feel like I am auditing a class in logic and watching loon and wren fail every test. They are truly clueless.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:44 am

Oh! I forgot again. This isn’t reality. We are watching the “Three Stooges”.

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:46 am

It’s so much fun to present contrast to you brewster apologists! ; 0 ) I will count the Big Ten wins and losses as they happen. I want a LOT of Bgi Ten wisn. I will NOT be happy with ANY Big Ten losses. How do you brewster apologists feel about Big Ten wins vs. Big Ten losses????? At the end of the 2009 seson we will know EXACTLY where this brewster stands vs other Big Ten coaches for the 2009 season. We will rank them. We will be honest about them. We will know EXACTLY “what’s up with this brewster foer 2009! That is the beauty fo the Big Ten schedule. It takes ALL the guess work and bias out of the equation. We will have what we will have! Don’t you just love it brewster apologists. I want at LEAST 5 Big Ten wins as a starter for this brewster! Go Gophers! Beat a LOT of Big Ten teams!!!!!

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:56 am

wren – We don’t care what you want. We know what you need though. You desperately need help and we all hope you get it.

Wisco Guy says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:08 am

“had to end it early?” lol Brewster is just an idiot:

Monday’s practice featured live scrimmaging and was spirited and intense, Brewster said. The running backs also got after it in full pads.

“There were some sparks flying,” he said. “I had to end it a little bit early because they were awfully excited about what they’re doing out there. …There was a hard-nosed and physical live goal-line period this morning.”

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am

So, curious george, I can assume that you don’t care if this brewster gets ANY Big Ten wins in 2009 or not…that is what you imply. ; 0 )

That goes right along with the fantasy high school football recruiting ranking thing…that is what you find interesting, right?????

Derek says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:16 am

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am

Why do you people continue to respond to loon? He isn’t going to change. Let’s look at his behavior. He arrogant, a narcissist, has a god complex, obsessive, hateful, controlling, a liar, doesn’t listen to what other people say, rigid in his views, etc. etc. etc. You’re wasting a lot of personal energy and electrons on this very confused and deluded person. The choice is yours.
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Don’t forget the fact he is a racist.

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:17 am

In 2009 it will be this brewster vs this brewster. 0-8 in 2007. 3-5 in 2008. What will 2009 bring in terms of Big Ten wins?

Let’s see, at the end of his third season Mason was 8-16. THAT really sucked. Certainly this brewster will be able to at least bring his 3 year Big Ten record to at LEAST the equal of Mason’s miserable 3 year record by going 5-3 in Big Ten play in 2009 won’t he?????

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:19 am

In the two years before Brew took over we were 7-9 in the Big Ten (probably about seventh or eighth in the Big Ten).

In the two years since Brewster took over we are 3-13 in the Big Ten (tenth?).

Just the facts.

Your opinion Joliet, that we are “far better off than Indiana, Purdue, Illinois and probably Wisconsin and Northwestern” is such a ‘bold’ opinion that even some of the Brew Crew must have choked on their coffee reading that one. We play four of those guys this year starting at NU and opening our BT career at TCF the next week against the Badgers. Based on the entirety of what I saw over the past two years it is my opinion that we will need to be night and day improved over last season in order to win three out of four of those games.

By the way, did you know that another loss would tie another Gopher history record for Brewster with Jim Wacker as the only Gopher coach to lose to NU three times in a row? As Bayfield would say, just another very interesting thing to look forward to this year.

Go Gophers!! Beat all our inferiors and make Joliet’s opinions look good!

Prime Time 28 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:21 am

Why is it that some folks commenting on this board as if they are the only one, two or three fans or Big Ten Football observers who desire that their team win the BT championship? I think we all do. And how that is done is by winning BT games. The team and all those involved are working for nothing less. Frankly, this string is getting very boring Kent. I hope a new topic and additional information about practice can be shared before Saturday. A few people here seem to have an auto type mechanism that keeps spewing the same CRAP. The two Big Ten games I have marked on the calendar and can not wait for are iowa and wisconsin. The team will be particularly jacked for both. MSU game will be special as well. This team is going to leave some of the posters here speachless. Oh, I suppose they will come up with something to complain about.

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:31 am

This prexy and this administration need to go!
This prexy and this administration need to go!
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Who cares? As long as Admin. is not satisfied with mediocrity, has the vision of its football program winning big and often and realizes the intrinsic value a solid AD has in the university setting.

On the other hand, I doubt if Maturi or Bruininks ever scored a TD or allowed one.

Wren. I have always wanted to win big and often. I finally think you do now but it took you a long time for you to get there. I also believe that our Admin. want to win too, at least that’s what they have said.

Its time for Brewster to start showing his stuff.

Wisco Guy says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am

“This team is going to leave some of the posters here speachless.”

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahhahah………

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:37 am

Joliet, your comment on the administration spending $300,000,000 on TCF is either a flat lie or shows your ignorance. The administration of the U spent not one single penny on TCF. ZERO. Not one cent from any one account was spent by the U. All U money spent to date has been billed to the stadium project which has its own accounts only.

Joel, the Pres, etc. have LOVED this project from day one because it costs them nothing in money. ZERO.

The so called “funding” (ie, money) of this project comes from donations, the state of Minnesota, student fees and future money earned by the stadium for the U. Not one cent of U money. EVER.

Why do you think the U was in such a snit about the alcohol mess? Read the article in the PP. The U now faces the horrible, unthinkable disaster of having to put a penny into the project!

Sorry Joliet, you are either a guppy or a DAC.

I’m sorry guys, how can the biggest event in recent Gopher football history be so fundamentally misunderstood by so many? How can you understand what the AD is doing if you do not even see what he is doing? He got us a big new stadium without spending one cent of his boss’s money.

jolietgopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:45 am

Loon, The $300,000,000 shows the comitment to the program. Instead of raising and spending the money on a new research lab…why keep going on. Just wallow in what you want to believe. Calling me names or telling me that I am a guppy- well I guess it let you go off the other tangents you have been on lately. As for me… go Gophers and win!!!!

G1 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:50 am

Loon, by what you just described Matrui deserves a MAAAASSIVE pay raise. I can tell you if I was to pull something like that off for my company, my next paycheck would have a major bump to it as well as being named partner.

G1 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:54 am

All I know is, in three days I will be at The Bank having the time of my life watching an intrasquad scrimmage. Go Gophs!

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am

So, curious george, I can assume that you don’t care if this brewster gets ANY Big Ten wins in 2009 or not…that is what you imply. ; 0 )

That goes right along with the fantasy high school football recruiting ranking thing…that is what you find interesting, right?????
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wren – Do you have a logical brain cell in your head. You seem to have a very difficult time interpreting what people are saying to you. I said “We don’t care what you want. We know what you need though. You desperately need help and we all hope you get it.”

I was talking about wants and needs, not about Brewster, not about Big Ten wins and not about Gopher football. If you were not so fixated on yourself and Brewster you might be able to understand what people are trying to tell you. Since your world is limited you seem to assume everything said is related to Brewster. This makes you the most clueless person I have ever come in contact with.

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Good analogy G1! Maturi is exactly like the guys and gals who get huge bonuses for leading their programs into HUGE losses by maneuvering those companies through deceptive practices.

Excellent.

Keep that thought in mind over the coming season. “3-13 give that man a bonus!!”

G1 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Wow Loon, just wow. Deceptive huh? Everyone knows how the stadium was paid for. How is that deceptive?

G1 says:

August 19th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

I think Loon and Wren have finally gotten to me. Let’s just shut the whole football program down and the entire U of M for that matter. It is a horrible institution run by horrible administrators that are only out to fleece the great people of Minnesota.

Forget that, go Gophs!!

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“That goes right along with the fantasy high school football recruiting ranking thing…that is what you find interesting, right?????”
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wren – Again, your fixation with Brewster along with your unwillingness to understand logic or math has left you clueless. I once tried to explain to you mathematics of predicting models but you immediately dismissed as fantasy. You were not even willing to listen or understand. You I didn’t want to have anything to do with something that might support the idea that Brewster was doing a good job of recruiting. It had to a fantasy because anything positive about Brewster had to be wrong

Unfortunately, you didn’t listen to what I was saying. What I said was that it was not my intent to make the argument that Brewster was a good or bad recruiter. All I was trying to do was explain what predicting models are, what they could tell you, and what they can’t tell you. I felt I had something to add to the discussion since this is what I used both professionally and in my personal investments.

wren – I am afraid you are destine to remain clueless for the rest of your life. You have no curiosity how things work or understanding of logic. All you have is your obsession with Brewster.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

CORRECTION

wren says:

August 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“That goes right along with the fantasy high school football recruiting ranking thing…that is what you find interesting, right?????”
____________________

wren – Again, your fixation with Brewster along with your unwillingness to understand logic or math has left you clueless. I once tried to explain to you mathematics of predicting models but which you immediately dismissed as fantasy. You were not even willing to listen or understand. You didn’t want to have anything to do with something that might support the idea that Brewster was doing a good job of recruiting. It had to be a fantasy because anything positive about Brewster had to be wrong.

Unfortunately, you didn’t try to listen to what I was saying. What I said was that it was not my intent to make the argument that Brewster was a good or bad recruiter. All I was trying to do was explain what predicting models are, what they could tell you, and what they can’t tell you. I felt I had something to add to the discussion since this is what I used in both my professionally job and in doing my personal investments.

wren – I am afraid you are destine to remain clueless for the rest of your life. You have no curiosity how things work or understanding of logic. All you have is your obsession with Brewster.

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

“Wow Loon, just wow. Deceptive huh? Everyone knows how the stadium was paid for. How is that deceptive?”

Sorry G1, apparently Joliet did not.

Additionally, I don’t think there is any reason to close down the U at all. One more scandal in the AD’s program and I have said we should just move on and get rid of D1 athletics. If you have to sell your soul to the devil in order to compete it is time to get out of the game. We do not have the power to change the rules.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

“Wow Loon, just wow. Deceptive huh? Everyone knows how the stadium was paid for. How is that deceptive?”

Sorry G1, apparently Joliet did not.

Additionally, I don’t think there is any reason to close down the U at all. One more scandal in the AD’s program and I have said we should just move on and get rid of D1 athletics. If you have to sell your soul to the devil in order to compete it is time to get out of the game. We do not have the power to change the rules.
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Loon – I always amazed that those people who presents themselves as being morale are often the least morale. I would say that certainly would apply to you. Since coming to this site I have noticed that you have:

1. Lied constantly and when people call you on your lies you have very seldom acknowledge your lies.

2. Often made statement that has racial overtones. You seem to do less since you were often called on this in the past. I expect you still have these feeling but are just smarter in how you state them.

3. Done everything you can to undermined Brewster and Gopher football program because of your hatred of how Mason was fired.

I would suggest that you look at yourself first loon before you criticize the morals of anybody else.

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

CG–thanks for that 844 post earlier this morning. I like the sounds of this QB pipeline we are developing. I hope Alipate redshirts this year. That would probably mean we dodged the injury bullet at the QB position this year. Don’t let wren/loon get to you—they are harmless little weasels that need to be exposed for what they are every once in awhile.

wood says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

It’s a sad day in society when fans from other teams frequent blogs with childish remarks about a rival program and coach. Hawks and Wisco guy evidently don’t have jobs or anything else better to do then hide behind a keyboard and moniker and type idiotic comments on a daily basis. It gets pretty lonely in mommy’s basement, I guess.

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

1. CG quote a lie of mine.

2. Quote a “racist” statement that I have made that is not factually correct.

3. I have no power to help or hinder Coach Brewster by my power or my statements. We are 3-13 and counting without me having any influence on the games besides attending them at a far better rate than most anyone on this site. Brewster will make it here or not based on his Big Ten record and the long term response of the other fans to his record.

4. When does your “do not engage Loon in any conversation” policy take effect for you?

5. Thanks for noticing, however inaccurately, everything that I post.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! All this buffloonatic’s racist comments and bigoted statements are now “factually correct”!!!!!!!!!!

All of his lies are “factually correct”.

All of his sliming, backstabbing, and calling for cheating are “factually correct.”

Too funny.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Wood … These are not people from Iowa or Wisconsin posting. Every name posting here that is sliming Gopher football is posting from wren’s computer.

Any time you see someone here advocating cheating or lamenting over the loss of a dirty program, that is being posted from Loon’s computer.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Some of you really need to take a brake from the blog. It has been three years sense Mason has been the coach. You guys are still comparing apples and oranges. The guys to the left think that Mason left Brewster a bunch of garbage to coach and the guys to the right say that he took over a program that had gone to seven bowl games in eight years. I happen to be one of those guys on the right but, IT DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE. The 1-11 and 7-7 are on Brewsters record and noone can hang that on Mason. Get over it and move on, both sides. The post the last few days have been childish at best. Name calling, crying about this or that, and out right lies about each coach. No one even pick up on Kents comment the other day that Brewster had to cut practice short because the players tempures where flaring up. And some of you guys call yourselves football experts? Last year we lost a game because of personal fouls and if we had been in a few more games it could have cost us the game. It is either coached or tolerated in my view. If the head coach can not control his team well enough to get rid of this crap then we will be faced with the same old same old this year. Practice does not make perfect but, perfect practice makes perfect. If you allow it to go on in practice then it will occure in a game and bit you in the ass at the most inoppertune time. Get of the past verses the present and focus on what is taking place in the program at this time.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

DAC, Iam sure you will enjoy this. Eskridge is OK, Salamon will never see much time because he is not good enough (you have heard that from me before), Green is a average WR, Lair is terrible and now with the new offense he might have to block somebaody, Smith GONE, Brock FLUNKED OUT, Sharpe back-up, Lawerence Good player, Pittman BUST, McKinley has one more year to get it done but showed something at least in the bowl game, Edwards young, Kirskey young, Stoudermire if Iowa had not have had to Kick-Off ELEVEN TIMES to us in that game I doubt if he would have broken any records last year (Iowas kickoff cover team had to be pretty tired at the end of that game). So as you can see of the 15 players you mentioned there is about 6 keepers. That does not look like a Big Ten contender to me.

andover joe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

Yes, the Loonie just babbles.
The program was going to die last year,per Loon, until Brew opened 7-1.
That is the genius! of the Loon.

Yet, I agree with him that the next two years allow all of us to view the Brew Crew program! Yet, a deep insight that is NOT.
Mason was the master of scheduling the little sisters of the poor to pad his record….and he LITERALLY left Brewster a program with LESS talent than NDSU. And a crime debacle soon to follow with his upstanding recruits.
Loon may not want to hear “Mason” but I will say it LOUD AND CLEAR:
LESS TALENT THAN NDSU;CRIME SCANDAL!
This is the MASON legacy.

At least Brewster will go with the AF, Syracuse, SoCal, tx, Cal, etc etc
I give him credit for trying to play a legit schedule–whether he succeeds or he is replaced! Salute!

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Tx, hate to brake your bubble but Alipate will never be the starting QB at MN. Word I get out of camp is just what I thought all along. He could be a nice TE/DE with time but he is not cut of the right cloth to be a Div. I QB. Soory to have to say that but QB pipe line we are not. Wisc. signed a QB from Jersey that had offers from Miami and Pitt. we got the one from Wisc. that had no Div. I offers. I would hardly call it a pipe line.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Andover, Mason played Cal at Cal in 2006. It is just a pay back game. If you are Sams dad and you have this idea that NDSU was so much better than MN then why did they not win the game in 2006? AF is no better or worse then Toledo and we had better look out for SDSU then because they have beaten NDSU the last two years.

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

Bud—your forecast could prove to be correct. I cannot read the future. I remain hopeful and am still glad we replaced Mason with Brewster. I just wish your tone did not sound so happy/giddy with your dire forecast of our athletes. It’s a tough call, but I put you as public enemy #1 for the football program. I hope that doesn’t motivate loon/wren/recruiting and other members of “The Club” to try and outdo you with pure hatred, lies, and innuendos of Brewster and the program.

Texas Gopher says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

Bud says “Some of you really need to take a brake from the blog.”

Yes Bud, I agree. I am taking a break from this scene.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

Bud … You failed to read and understand the point being made.

Loon lied. He said no one from the 2008 recruiting class, other than Stoudermire, contributed last year. That is a lie. He said the 2008 class did not replace any holdover players. That is a lie.

No Big Ten team had more contribution from its 2008 class than the Gophers. That is a fact.

Green might have been an average player last year. He was 18 years old. But you say he has no upside? Same with Edwards, Kirksey, McKnight? Pittman was a bust because he was hurt?

The larger point I made was that every minute one of the 17 new recruits played last year, a holdover player was on the sidelines. If the 17 new players who were on the field some or all of the time are so bad, what does it say about the holdover guys who were watching from the sidelines?

Why does it kill you so much, Bud, to even let someone post anything positive about Brewster’s recruits?

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

Bud is a true genius. He says Stoudermire is really not very good and the only reason he set records returning kickoffs was because Iowa kicked off so much.

So what do you think, Bud? Did Wisconsin or maybe Ohio State have an offensive tackle who could have had more return yards than Stoudermire if only he had been allowed to return kicks?

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

DAC, I take your advice most of the time and just skip over Loons post. I was giving you an appraisial of the players you mentioned and what I saw of them. I do not aprreciate you taking it to the next level and putting words in my mouth. When I said young I that is just what I meant YOUNG. If I had an oppinion of them I am sure you know I would have given it to you. Stoudermire had a record day because of the number of kicks he had to return as far as total yardage. He did not led the conference in average per return in a game. As a matter of fact I beleive it totaled 22 yards a return. Not to stellar on kick offs.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

No response as to how Brewster is handling this team when it comes to personal fouls this year? Or did that hit home with Kents reporting.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Kent, it is possible to have a player remain on scholarship but be academicly ineligible for that year. Could you ask that question to Coach Brewster and find out if there are any players in that situation this year. I doubt if you will get a straight answer but ask anyway.

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

For those of you who like to read how other people are viewing Minnesota the following article basically says what we all know – A lot of potential and lot of unknowns.

The Big Ten’s wild cards: Illinois and Minnesota

August 19, 2009 10:00 AM

Posted by ESPN.com’s Adam Rittenberg

When I’m asked to size up the Big Ten heading into the fall, part of the process is easy.

Ohio State and Penn State are the consensus picks to challenge for the league title, while Purdue and Indiana are slotted for the basement. Three nine-win teams from a year ago — Iowa, Michigan State and Northwestern — all return a lot on defense but must replace key contributors in the offensive backfield. Michigan once again has questions, but the Wolverines will be better. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, boasting a formidable run game but questions at quarterback.

Then we get to Illinois and Minnesota, the Big Ten’s wild cards. As far as unpredictability entering the season, these two squads share the crown. You can make a good case for either team being the surprise of the Big Ten and reaching a January bowl game. Both squads could also crash and burn.

The similarities are intriguing:

•Both teams return veteran quarterbacks in Juice Williams (Illinois) and Adam Weber (Minnesota) who have put up impressive numbers but also struggled with turnovers at times.

•Minnesota’s Eric Decker and Illinois’ Arrelious Benn are far and away the league’s top wide receivers, and two of the best in the nation.

•Both teams have head coaches (Ron Zook and Tim Brewster) who shine on the recruiting trail but still must prove themselves on game day. The talent is there, but can Zook and Brewster take advantage? Throw in the fact that Brewster played for Illinois and went to a Rose Bowl in 1983, and you’ve got another link.
•Both teams will challenge themselves in nonleague play. Illinois faces Missouri in St. Louis and must travel to Cincinnati before hosting always-dangerous Fresno State. Minnesota starts the season against Greg Paulus and Syracuse before opening the new TCF Bank Stadium against Air Force and Cal.

•Both teams need to replenish their pass rush. Minnesota tied for the league lead in sacks last fall but loses end Willie VanDeSteeg (10.5 sacks). Illinois will be without its top four sacks leaders from 2008, including defensive ends Derek Walker and Will Davis.

•Both teams are breaking in new offensive coordinators who want to spark the rushing attack in Illinois’ Mike Schultz and Minnesota’s Jedd Fisch.
Looking around the league, it’s hard to find a more explosive offense than Illinois, but there are plenty of questions on defense. Minnesota returns more starters (18) than any Big Ten team, but has gone through more changes than any league squad other than Purdue.

It makes my head hurt to go through all the possible outcomes for the Illini and Gophers, but they should provide some good theater come September.

Illinois Fighting Illini, Minnesota Golden Gophers, Juice Williams, Adam Weber, Eric Decker, Arrelious Benn, Ron Zook, Tim Brewster, Willie VanDeSteeg, Derek Walker, Will Davis, Mike Schultz, Jedd Fisch, Greg Paulus

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Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

TX, am I on your wall at home? What is the reward for knocking me off? Your correct Tx in thinking I have friends in high places though.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

CG, thats great we will be batteling it out for 8th place.

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

Bud …. Then please remind us which carryover player had more return yards average last year. Who was that, Bud?

david_allen_coe says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Cut the “we” crap, Bud. You are not part of the Minnesota Gophers in any way.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

They sure like my money DAC. What is your contribution to the Gophers. Your endless hours spinning your BS. There is no such thing as caryover players DAC. If they were not using him every way they could Decker would be a great return man. If that is what you are asking? Seems to me that in 2007 Brewster said we had signed the best return guy in the nation. Remember HH? Someone has to do it I guess.

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

If buy we you mean you and me you are correct DAC. I would not row in a boat with you. To me there are people on this site that wanted Mason gone and you got your wish. So far it has not turned out so good. But make no mistake you have your agenda also. You can say what ever you want but in the end the record is Brewsters not Masons. Go back and check the press releases after Brewster took the job and see what he said about the team and the talent. Was that all just BS also?

Hawks says:

August 20th, 2009 at 5:29 am

Curious George says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

“For those of you who like to read how other people are viewing Minnesota the following article basically says what we all know – A lot of potential and lot of unknowns.”

You mean one idiot who has his nose further up punkster’s keister than you do?–is that possible–

Hawks says:

August 20th, 2009 at 5:32 am

Where did your little beat writer go, off to cover the Vikings? lol

andover joe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 6:44 am

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

Andover, Mason played Cal at Cal in 2006. It is just a pay back game. If you are Sams dad and you have this idea that NDSU was so much better than MN then why did they not win the game in 2006? AF is no better or worse then Toledo and we had better look out for SDSU then because they have beaten NDSU the last two years

Yes, and MASON was fired after scheduling one tough team! Ouch!
What is Brew thinking?
Ahhh, NDSU didnt win because they missed a short FG at the end of the game.
Boy, that is one tough question there Buddy,…..you must be one deep thinker.
Where you at the first NDSU game? What an embarrassment for the Big 10.
That is MASON’s legacy, and remember, to Loon’s chagrin, even MASON said he needed to go in the PP last year.
Call me radical, but let’s see what he product looks like on the field this year…….

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 7:37 am

Bud …. No sane person would allow you to row in a boat with them. You are a backstabber, an underminer, and the enemy of the team.

Team players support the team. The coach is part of the team. I supported Mason every day for ten years because he was the head football coach.

You are not on the boat, Bud.

Hawks says:

August 20th, 2009 at 7:41 am

An example of BrewsterBall at its finest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz_7Xwx3uYw

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 7:42 am

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again.

As much as I hate to bring up the ex-coach’s name, I need to.

Glen Mason needed to be dismissed after the Texas Tech debacle. End of story. There was no upside for the program keeping him on.

Whether Tim Brewster was the right choice remains to be seen. A new coach needs to be given more than 2 years to retool his team.

A true Gopher fan, regardless of whether Mason is the coach or Brewster is the coach, supports his/her team, supports the student athletes, and cheers like an insane person at the games for the Gophers.

The personal attacks on Brewster, Maturi and Bruininks are perpetrated by life-long losers who somehow equate their “relationship” to the previous coach to some sort of accomplishment on their part. Screw them.

GO GOPHERS!!!

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 7:56 am

Bud …. Of course Brewster came into the job lauding the returning players. What kind of coach/motivator would come in and say the returning players were no good? Only an idiot would do that but apparently you would have.

A huge difference between Coach Brewster and people like you, Bud, is that he stands behind his players and team. You do not.

In fact, there were several excellent players that Brewster inherited. That has never been disputed. What is undeniable, though, is that there was not enough quality players to constitute a solid ball club. There was no depth.

You cannot win in the Big Ten with a dozen quality players prepared to play. It takes 40-50 quality players ready to play. We are now getting back up near that level.

Gregory58 says:

August 20th, 2009 at 8:42 am

Bud, welcome to the club, your offical membership number is 6.

You’re a threat to run for club moron president, that’s no easy task with Loon and Wren in line.

The tree house of loon-e-toons is getting quite crowded……….

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 8:44 am

Bud …. No one here has been higher on Eric Decker than me. I have said for two years he is the best all-around college football player in America.

However, I would never be delusional enough to say that Decker would be a better kickoff return man than Stoudermire. That is insane. Decker does not have the pure speed and open field moves that Stoudermire has.

If Decker were used anywhere on special teams it would be as a punt returner because the number one priority there is catching the ball. If Brewster had been smart enough to think of that in 2007 we would have won the Wisconsin game at the Dome rather than seeing an 18-year-old muff the catch at a critical moment at the end of the game.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am

Gregory … Bud has always been there. No one here has posted more backstabbing lies trying to slime Gopher players more than Bud.

Bayfieldgopher says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:17 am

dac: You cannot win in the Big Ten with a dozen quality players prepared to play. It takes 40-50 quality players ready to play. We are now getting back up near that level.
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And this is a slow process and often takes four to five classes to get there. Even then no one will know the talent level.

Right now you are assuming Brewsters RS and incoming FR will fit the bill. You may be correct but I will hold off on my judgement. A good number of FR played last Fall gaining valuable PT and some may have a good future ahead.

I hope the trend of retaining players continues as it really hurts to have a small Sr. class like we have had in the past. This Sr. group is the largest in quite awhile.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:37 am

Bayfield …. Yes, it takes a minimum of three full recruiting years and ideally four or five to get to the depth and experience level needed to contend for a Big Ten Championship.

We are well on the way although some of our true freshmen played last year out of necessity before they were ready.

In 2007 we were competing with only a handful of experienced, game-ready Big Ten calibre players. Last year we had about 30 players good enough to compete although some were too young to be realistically effective.

This year we are up into the 40-50 range of Big Ten calibre guys but that counts, again, some true freshmen with no experience.

It is a long process to get the experienced depth needed to contend.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:38 am

Bayfield … And we should not forget that Minnesota returns more guys with starting experience than any team in the Big Ten.

Granted, a few of them were not ready to start last year (several offensive linemen come to mind) but they have game experience nonetheless.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:48 am

The previous coach is gone. I, I would have fired him had I known then what I know now. I certainly would not want him back as coach.

Jimbo is incorrect in suggesting that the previous coach was fired over the TT loss.

Nothing anyone posts, screams, states or says will save THIS coach if we have a bad football season this year. The realities of the next few months will trump us all THIS year.

That is my prediction for this year. My best guess based on my experience (and normal injuries) is that we come out of the nc with a 2-1 record and the combo of the NU and Badger game will tell the big story for this year and the ultimate fate of this coach. If those two are split the season would still be “afoot”. Otherwise not.

The “consensus of the mob” will emerge. Two wins would buy Brewster more time, two losses will cause most Jimbo type “loyalist” to start to do to Brewster what they did to Mason, five, four and three years ago.

What I learned in those years is that the fans want “loyalty” when that suits their views and want the coach and program undercut at any cost when they want “action”.

The whole AD budget for the whole department is based on a bunch of highly emotional core group of males who do or do not buy season tickets. My best guess is that by the end of the Badger game, all other things being rather equal, they will either want this coach extended or they will want this coach gone. Loyalty will have nothing to do with their thoughts. They are loyal when they want to be and they get up and walk out the door when they want to walk out the door.

Wren is correct, they will need lots of wins this season or their “loyalty” will go out the door. I can not envisage their “loyalty” withstanding much more of what we have been given over the past two years.

Wisco Guy says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:54 am

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Kent, it is possible to have a player remain on scholarship but be academicly ineligible for that year. Could you ask that question to Coach Brewster and find out if there are any players in that situation this year. I doubt if you will get a straight answer but ask anyway.
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Brewster is a cheater, is it really that hard to say? Try it…1..2..3..Brewster is a cheater…

G1 says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:56 am

Um, how can they go 2-1 in the non-con when they play four non-con games?

Rescooter says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:02 am

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:48 am

…..Jimbo is incorrect in suggesting that the previous coach was fired over the TT loss….
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That last statement about Jimbo being incorrect is laughable. Let’s see….he gets a new contract and two days later gets fired is more than enough circumstancial evidence to convince any judge in this country of the validity of it. Your statements border on crazy.

Goon – go back and read the stuff you post. It’s hard to imagine any sane person believing your own lines of crap. You are an enemy of Gopher football. Get lost loser.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Legacy kicker sets high goals

Adam Munsterteiger
ColoradoPrepReport.com

Broomfield (Colo.) Legacy kicker Kip Smith sat down with his new special teams coach, former Colorado State punter Jimmy Kaylor, earlier this week and set forth his goals for the 2009 season. “I want to make 100 percent of my extra points, I want to make 100 percent of my field-goal attempts from 40 yards and in and unless they have me do an onsides kick, I should send 100 percent of my kickoffs back for a touchback,” Smith said. “And I am aiming for about a 42-yard punt average.” Realistic goals? Absolutely. Rivals.com ranks Smith as the third best kicking prospect from the Class of 2010.

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:20 am

Looney Toons, you’re such an incredible bore.

Do you actually read things before you respond?

If this year is as dismal as you and the other two stooges predict, of course I will be disappointed, and may question the wisdom of the Brewster hire.

But, you know what? If he retains his job, I’ll be back in 2010 with the same optimism and fervor. If not, I’ll be back in 2010 to support the new coach and the student athletes representing my University.

You know what else? This is merely college football. If the Gophers NEVER win a championship or continue to wallow in mediocrity forever (which was almost guaranteed under the previous coach,) life will go on with not a lot of impact on anything that is truly important.

Gregory58 says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:23 am

Loon,
Who cares? My cat knows more about football than you do.

Your opinion means nothing, you are a nobody loser.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“Nothing anyone posts, screams, states or says will save THIS coach if we have a bad football season this year.”
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Loon …. You seem to have some demented idea that Gopher football fans have as their primary objection “saving” Brewster. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our objective is building a contending football team.

We will support the coach during the season because he is our coach and part of the team. We will support the coach so long as the team is heading in the right direction and we are upgrading the talent level and depth.

The team and program are the source of our loyalty, not an individual coach.

jolietgopher says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am

Wisco Guy… I havent been around this blog for too long, can you state facts to back up your opinion that Brewster is a cheater?

Rescooter says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:40 am

A break from the insanity: Here’s a good article on Syracuse.

Minnesota’s Cosgrove respects Paulus’ skills

August 20, 2009 10:30 AM

Posted by ESPN.com’s Adam Rittenberg

Minnesota defensive coordinator Kevin Cosgrove doesn’t need a refresher course on Greg Paulus.

Cosgrove held the same position at Nebraska five years ago when the Cornhuskers, like most major BCS football programs, tried to recruit Paulus out of Christian Brothers Academy in Syracuse, N.Y. Video of Paulus throwing to wide receiver Lavar Lobdell remains fresh in Cosgrove’s mind.

That’s a good thing, since Cosgrove will get a live look at both Paulus and Lobdell on Sept. 5 when Minnesota opens the season at Syracuse. After a four-year run with the Duke basketball team, Paulus returned to football and this week was named Syracuse’s starting quarterback for the opener.

“He was a heck of a player back then,” Cosgrove said. “I expected him to definitely come in and compete. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s been named the starter. He’s a very good athlete. To be a point guard at Duke, you have to be athletic, you have to be a leader.

“I know he must have those abilities, and he could throw the ball very well in high school.”

Paulus’ long absence from football creates a unique preparation situation for his first opponent. Few quarterbacks have such long gaps between meaningful competition, and it’s hard to know which player will show up in the Carrier Dome

The Gophers defense hasn’t started to scout Syracuse just yet, but Cosgrove knows his players need to be ready for just about anything.

“He has the abilities to run different types of offenses,” Cosgrove said. “He can be a drop-back passer, he can be the zone-read quarterback. So you have to prepare for those things so you’re ready.”

G1 says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:42 am

Good luck joliet, we have been trying to get Bud to give specifics about the same accusations for three years now.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:56 am

G1

“Um, how can they go 2-1 in the non-con when they play four non-con games?”

We play three nc games before we play NU and the Bads.

Think first, then post.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:58 am

Rescouter

“That last statement about Jimbo being incorrect is laughable. Let’s see….he gets a new contract and two days later gets fired is more than enough circumstancial evidence to convince any judge in this country of the validity of it. Your statements border on crazy.

Goon – go back and read the stuff you post. It’s hard to imagine any sane person believing your own lines of crap. You are an enemy of Gopher football. Get lost loser.”

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:01 am

If you are going to quote me as above, check with reality first, Coach Mason was fired one year after signing his new contract. The decision to fire Mason was made before that new contract was signed, not two days after it was signed.

Once TCF agree to finance the new stadium, Mason was gone. Indeed, once Maturi was hired Mason was gone.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:02 am

“Paulus’ long absence from football creates a unique preparation situation for his first opponent. Few quarterbacks have such long gaps between meaningful competition, and it’s hard to know which player will show up in the Carrier Dome.”
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Well, yes …. the same could be said if Sid Luckman or even Joe Mauer were starting September 5 for Syracuse. But would we be more concerned than if a guy who has been playing college football was the starter?

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:03 am

“He has the abilities to run different types of offenses,” Cosgrove said. “He can be a drop-back passer, he can be the zone-read quarterback. So you have to prepare for those things so you’re ready.”
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Ahhhh, yes, coach. The same could be said 13 Saturdays every year.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:05 am

Loon … We play four non-conference games. Think before you post, speak, or even halucinate.

Derek says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:36 am

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Kent, it is possible to have a player remain on scholarship but be academicly ineligible for that year. Could you ask that question to Coach Brewster and find out if there are any players in that situation this year. I doubt if you will get a straight answer but ask anyway.
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This kinda sounds like when you’ve been repeatedly asked about this RB who was in “legal troubles” but you always seem to disappear after your lies are disproven. Why is that Bud? Why can’t you give a straight answer?

Still waiting…..

Derek says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am

Wisco Guy says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:54 am

Bud says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Kent, it is possible to have a player remain on scholarship but be academicly ineligible for that year. Could you ask that question to Coach Brewster and find out if there are any players in that situation this year. I doubt if you will get a straight answer but ask anyway.
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Brewster is a cheater, is it really that hard to say? Try it…1..2..3..Brewster is a cheater…
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Is it possibel for a pplayer to be ineligible for a year PLAY ONLY HOME GAMES and stay on scholarship?

Becky makes it so easy.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am

The most important aspect of measuring a program’s progress is the level of quality depth at all positions on both sides of the ball.

The nation’s premier programs have depth which primarily consists of seniors and juniors. Great teams will have only a smattering of younger players involved in the two-deeps.

The Gophers are still a couple more recruiting classes away from having mature, experienced depth. But we are moving in the right direction.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am

Joliet, your post the other day re my “motives” did leave me scratching my head. Your statement above saying you are rather new to this board perhaps explains your confusion.

As I have stated many times on this board, I do NOT want Brewster fired.

Our problems here are fan centered, not coach centered. My view is and has been that this is THE Graveyard of College Coaches for very good reason. No football coach here has ever been “honorably retired”. We boot them all out sooner or later for “failing us” just as we will eventually fire this coach for “failing us”.

Even winning NCs has not saved ANY coach of “ours”. Holtz got out of town before he too “failed us” or the NCAA policy could catch him.

The eventual fate of Brewster will be shortened or temporarily lengthened by how he does this year. But, when we fire him, Maturi will just go out and hirer another sucker who is willing to make a lot of money failing here OR using this place as a stepping stone to somewhere else before we fire him.

My thesis is that we give our coaches fewer than 10,000 fans who support the team on a consistent bases, one of the lowest budgets in the Big Ten, a priority for college football equal to that of the rowing team and, until this year, no football stadium worth spit. Against this list of obvious advantages all we demand is playing parity with programs that provide much, much more.

Go to a game at Iowa, Wisconsin or, of course, any of the Big Three and see what they offer recruits and coaches and compare. Pre TCF we offered less than any other program in the BT except Indiana.

That has been my experience and message.

Until and unless we get an AD who will do WHATEVER it takes within the law to improve the football team at the expense of WHOMEVER it takes (within the laws of the NCAA) we will continue to be what we, in fact, deserve to be with or with the coach de jour: one of the bottom four or five programs in the Big Ten.

Up until TCF we deserved bottom three. Mason gave us bottom six. With TCF Brewster has thus far given us bottom two. Wren is right, the fans will turn on him if he does not start to win a lot of games with TCF.

In net, at PC U of M, monitored by the ladies in comfortable shoes, I see no hope for a top five program here.

When I hear an AD stand up at a press conference with the Regents and the President at his/her side state to the public his/her policy that a winning Men’s BB, Football and Men’s Hockey team is ten times as important to the U as any other non revenue sport at the U, I will know we are ready to have the basic needs in place to produce the consistently above average football program the fans here demand before they will buy tickets to actual bowl games.

I do not see that happening and therefore do not see the point in firing Brewster, Mason, Wacker, Gundekkunst, Salem, Stoll, Warmath, etc., etc., etc., etc.

Maturi will just hire another Brewster or cycle back to another Mason. This place is cemented into a range of possibilities based on the unrealistic expectations of the fans. I wish to encourage realistic expectations based on reality. I wish to encourage fans to use TCF to actually support the team for the whole game, every game.

By the way, Brewster still seems to be a particularly inept coach who has lowered the reality of our program. But that is just him, the real problem is us.

Derek says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am

the Loon says:

August 19th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

2. Quote a “racist” statement that I have made that is not factually correct.
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Yeah, calling all fast black males thugs and suggesting they all should be in prison is not racist. And yes, you said repeatedly while Chip did nothing. And yes, several posters here will verify.

Kent- You had better get on this unless you enjoy racism on your blog. The fact you haven’t done anything yet about it is extremely disturbing and you might actually want to consider that not all of us are white. I find this “Loons” attitude highly offensive and your lack of control extremely troubling.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am

Sorry dac, you are still confused.

“Loon … We play four non-conference games. Think before you post, speak, or even halucinate.”

We play three (3), count them, three (3) nc games before we play NU and the Badgers.

Syracuse, September 5

Air Force, September 12

California, September 19

One (1), two (2) and three (3).

We play NU on the September 26 and the Badgers on October 3.

Frankly, I’m surprised you are having such a hard time with this technical stuff like counting to three (1,2,3).

We play South Dakota State on November 14th which is AFTER we play NU and UW. (Is that the proplem? The concept of “before” and “after”?)

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am

Loon …. Anyone who cannot recognize the University of Minnesota Athletic Department regards football, men’s basketball, and men’s hockey as higher priority than non-revenue sports is beyond stupid.

Loon has just devoted another hundred graphs telling us the football program is hopeless. There is no point in trying, according to the professional loser/racist.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Loon …. You said “2-1″ in the non-conference schedule. The non-conference schedule has nothing to do with the dates of the games. In total, the non-conference schedule is four games. That is a fact.

Think before you attempt to speak or write. Then think twice and resist the temptation to say something stupid.

Bud says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

G1, get your posters straight. My stance on Cheating and Academics is well documented on this site. The rules are in place and until something is disclosed there need not be anything said. Innocent until proven guilty is what I said way back and we all know how the court moves sometimes. And there is always plea bargaining down. You morons are the ones that gave it up that is was a RB which just proved to me where there is smoke there may be a fire.

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Just for the record, Looney, I didn’t say your buddy was fired solely for the TT meltdown; let’s just say it was the proverbial straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back.

Joel Maturi simply realized at that point there was really no good reason to maintain that coach. The program was clearly headed nowhere.

Fortunately for the program (and for college athletics in general,) people like you and the other two mouseketeers are substantially in the minority. I’m talking about people who, in their own feeble existence, think they have some kind of “connection” to someone they consider “important,” which makes them feel they can have “influence.” Such was your imaginary connection to Mason.

Perhaps when Mason gets his next head coaching job, you can move to the nearest foreign country and renew your relationship? I will gladly kick in to help you with moving expense.

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

d_a(sp)_c, I’m afraid I have to criticize you on something:

Are you insane trying to deal with Looney Toons using logic and facts?

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Jumbo … To the extent that insanity is defined as trying something over and over and expecting a different result, yes, I plead guilty.

However, in my own defense, I do not actually expect a different result.

As a kid in the country I used to punt a football back and forth for hours on end. That old leather ball was worn smooth. I guess I am just enjoying doing the same thing with Bud, wren, and lonneytic.

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

I guess we all need hobbies, d_a(sp)_c.

Curious George says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

I see that everybody has been busy busy busy this morning posting. If Artie Johnson had read all these posts he would have said “Very interesting but Bud and Loon are stupid.” This morning posts were actually quite entertaining.

On a more serious note, I found that DAC’s post below hit the nail on the head as to how we should be evaluating the program this year.
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david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am

“The most important aspect of measuring a program’s progress is the level of quality depth at all positions on both sides of the ball.”

“The nation’s premier programs have depth which primarily consists of seniors and juniors. Great teams will have only a smattering of younger players involved in the two-deeps.”

“The Gophers are still a couple more recruiting classes away from having mature, experienced depth. But we are moving in the right direction.”
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The two things that turn a football program around is having the program making progress in a variety of areas and improving both the quality and depth of its talent for the program. Wins are both important and nice but without achieving the former you are not going to win games log term. They are the drivers of success and this is what you need to focus on. If you do this, the wins will follow.

Curious George says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Sorry, last paragraph, second sentence should read …”long term”…..

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Curious, I agree, of course. However, you will be called a “Brewster apologist” by one or more of the unstable posters on this site for those remarks.

Curious George says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

Jimbo – I have to ask the question – What’s behind your use of “d_a(sp)_c”? I expect there is a story or maybe I am just clueless.

the Loon says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

No Dac is the exact quote of what I wrote in this very string:

“My best guess based on my experience (and normal injuries) is that we come out of the nc with a 2-1 record and the combo of the NU and Badger game will tell the big story for this year and the ultimate fate of this coach. If those two are split the season would still be “afoot”. Otherwise not.”

Those are the first five games on the schedule in the order stated.

Perhaps, you went to CDH and you have always had trouble counting to three (3). Or is the “will still be ‘afoot’” comment that is losing your sense of the order of things? Damned if I can figure out your continued confusion. My quote says we play the three nc’s, play NU and then play UW. Seems obvious. Checked my trusty Gopher Media Guide again and sure enough, we don’t play SDSU until mid November.

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Curious, I’m glad you asked.

The real country singer spells his middle name “Allan,” and our friend on this board spells it “allen.” So the (sp) is merely a notation reminding him of it. Of course, d_a(sp)_c is well aware of it and does it intentionally. I’ve been yanking his chain for 2 1/2 years with it. That way he knows the posts really come from me!

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Loon … Check the schedule. We can only come out of the non-conference schedule 4-0, 3-1, 2-2, 1-3, or 0-4. There is no way we can come out of the nc 2-1 unless there is a cancellation or forfeit.

Think before you post. Then think again and refrain.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Why in the world is Alipate bothering to practice with the quarterbacks?

Forget the fact Brewster has already singled him out after two weeks of practice as standing out. You can’t fool old Bud.

Bud declares that Alipate is just not QB material. He just doesn’t have the stuff. And Bud alone knows this after Alipate’s two weeks of practice as a true freshman.

Forget your heart, your soul, your guts, and your desire, Moses. Bud has spoken. He knows better than the coaches who recruited you and who are coaching you now. Only Bud knows everything.

Bud says you need to just sit on the sidelines for about three years and eat a lot of burgers and pasta and then maybe he will deign to give you a couple of snaps at defensive end. Thanks for choosing the U of M.

jolietgopher says:

August 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Wisco Guy, I am still waiting for some explanation on why you think Brewster is a cheater… I would like to know what he has done to deserve the slander.

Loon, interesting post. I like the analysis, and to some extent you may be correct. Currently,(meaning the last 30 years) Minnesota is NOT known as a a “FOOTBALL” school. Currently, Indiana is NOT known as a “football” school either. I wouldnt argue it, you cant. Minnesota is known as a Hockey school, it is completely undeniable.

In some ways I agree with you, but I dont agree completely. The admin may not have SPENT $300,000,000 (I apologize for the inaccuracy which you correctly pointed out) but I think the dedication to the program is now un-deniable. Wacker was making $250,000 a year, Mason when he started was making $500,000 and after 99′ he got boosted up to $1,000,000 that was a BIG move for this administration. Competing against MSU and LSU for the same coach was a big step for the admin. Baby steps were taken between Holtz and Mason, but bigger steps have been made with the TCF building and getting rid of the coach who had the best record in the past 40 years. But to make that move, to me proves commitment.

Maturi has every right to get HIS guy. Any CEO would do the same thing. But I believe that the decisions he has made, extending Lucia (which admittedly is a NO-BRAINER) and getting Smith and making a decision that enough was enough with HWWNBM are good decisions. I understand the frustration, and I understand the need to justify why to compare Brewster and Masons record, and if Brewster isnt better in the W column he should be gone. But I think you may be misreading Maturi and the situation. I want 8 B10 wins, arent going to get them and I dont expect to get them. And with changing cordinators, and systems, I know that a perfect season is not attainable. Growing pains will be felt. But on a whole, I think Brester has shown signs of improvement in his coaching, recruting and getting hype around the program moving.

G1 says:

August 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Well said joliet.

Curious George says:

August 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Jimbo – I realized that it was my fate in life to be called a “Brewster apologist” when I criticized one of the Three Stooges” logic. He immediately called me a “Brewster apologist” even though my post had nothing to do with Brewster. I guess it doesn’t take much to earn that label.

This got me thinking. There may be an opportunity to make some money from this. There has to be thousands upon thousands of people who quality to be a “Brewster apologist”. Granted, not all of them know that they are “Brewster apologist.” Therefore, in order to let people know that they do qualify to be a “Brewster apologist,” we would copy one of wren’s babbling posts about “Brewster apologists.” On the cover it would read ‘You too may have already qualified to be a “Brewster apologist”. Join now and get your “Brewster apologist” T-shirt for $X.XX. There will be close to 50,000 “Brewster apologists” just at TCF on September12th. What do you think?

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

Curious, you may have something there. I’m quite sure that if you WANT the Gophers to be successful under Brewster, and you UNDERSTAND the basic elements of time and talent required to build a winning program, and you don’t try to undermine the coach and administration at every opportunity, then, yes, you are a Brewster apologist.

Unfortunately, I’m not sure there’s more than a few hundred of us (I’m talking the characters on this website) that would get it. So I think we’ll have to charge about $100 apiece for the t-shirts. Perhaps we can get d_a(sp)_c to buy a couple dozen.

How about a stand-up comedy routine where every line starts, “You might be a Brewster apologist if….” Jeff Foxworthy would be so jealous.

Curious George says:

August 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

Great suggestions Jimbo! It took me a little while to figure out how to get here with their new look but I did it. I am still trying to determine what their “terms of use” means.

Wisco Guy says:

August 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

This is what is going to happen to punky and his cheating thugs!

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ap-memphis-vacatedwins&prov=ap&type=lgns

Bud says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

DAC, you just can not help yourself can you. I am already 3 for 3 with you. Grants kid is nowhere on the 2 deep Nance is gone and Shady keeps falling further and further down the depth chart as the U brings in backs. You can not see talent if it sat on your face. Alipate could not win more than 7 games in three years in HS. I am not saying he is a bad person I am just saying that he did not look like a QB to me in HS. But maybe we need to keep him at QB in case Gray does not cut it academically this year.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

Hey Tex …. You think we have problems worrying about how to defend against a guy who hasn’t played a football game since 2003?

I was just reading a Cal blog and the folks were bemoaning the fact the Bears have won a grand total of five out of 14 away games in the past three years. Guess what the concensus reason for the trouble might be?

Weather. It’s just sooooo perfect in Berkley, don’t ya see …. and everywhere else they have to go just sucks.

Too hot in LA, too dry in Arizona, too wet in Washington, too humid last year at Maryland. And now the poor babies are worrying themselves sick it might snow in Minneapolis on September 19.

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

Bud … You are “3 for 3″ against me? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

When have I ever mentioned Grant in a post here? Never. When have I ever mentioned Nance in a post here. Never.

I have talked about Shady and how much respect I have for him to step on the field when he was clearly not ready but he did his job when called. That was because there was no sophomore, junior, or senior player on the roster more capable than he.

And that, mister, makes me one up on you. There was nobody better, Bud. Does it start to sink in now?

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

Bud … Be honest for once in your pathetic life. How must pure joy would it give you if Marqueis Gray did not make it academically? Tell us. Would it realllllllllllyyyyy, reallllllllyyy feel goooooooooooood?

Jimbo says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

Gee, Bud, I saw Alipate play a couple of times for Jefferson, and I could have sworn he always had 10 teammates on the field with him, and another 50 or so on the bench. Yet he single-handedly was responsible for all Jefferson’s losses when he was there.

I guess Brewster should just give up on him. Right now.

This is the word of Bud. Hear it and heed it.

Wisco Guy says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

david_allen_coe says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

Hey Tex …. You think we have problems worrying about how to defend against a guy who hasn’t played a football game since 2003?
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Well duh, any team who’s last two results are 55-0 and 42-21 ass kickings is going to have trouble defending against anyone including Cretin….

Derek says:

August 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am

Bud says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

DAC, you just can not help yourself can you. I am already 3 for 3 with you. Grants kid is nowhere on the 2 deep Nance is gone and Shady keeps falling further and further down the depth chart as the U brings in backs. You can not see talent if it sat on your face. Alipate could not win more than 7 games in three years in HS. I am not saying he is a bad person I am just saying that he did not look like a QB to me in HS. But maybe we need to keep him at QB in case Gray does not cut it academically this year.
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HA, more like 3-300 on this site. Hows your “client” Chris Monter doing these days?