Twins close to landing Delmon Young [updated]
Posted on November 28th, 2007 – 2:01 PMBy La Velle
The Twins and Tampa Bay Rays are close to finalizing a multi-player deal, according to several sources with knowledge of the discussions. The deal could be announced as soon as today.
The main pieces changning teams would be outfielder Delmon Young, the first overall pick in 2003, and righthander Matt Garza. But indications were strong on Wednesday that as many as six players could be involved.
In addition to Garza, the Twins would send Tampa Bay shortstop Jason Bartlett and reliever Juan Rincon for Young, shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie. Pridie was with the Twins during spring training of 2006 as a Rule 5 pick.
Twins players for several weeks had expected the club to deal for either Young or B.J. Upton.
Young, 22, hit .288 last season with 13 homers and 93 RBI and is considered one of the better young hitters in the game. Harris, 27, hit .286 with 12 homers and 59 RBI.
[UPDATE]: This would be the first big move by Twins General Manager Bill Smith since taking over for Terry Ryan in September. And it’s not expected to be his last.
The Twins are talking to teams about staff ace Johan Santana and could deal closer Joe Nathan as well.
The Twins would be expected to land at least one starting pitcher if Santana and/or Nathan is dealt. That would make up for the loss of Garza, a top pitching prospect. The Twins also need a center fielder and third baseman.
It was learned on Wednesday that the Twins have shown some interest in free agent center fielder Aaron Rowand, but it’s unclear if they’ve made a contract offer.
The addition of Young could lead to the Twins non-tendering outfielder Craig Monroe, who was dealt to the Twins from the Cubs a few weeks ago.
Check back here for more details - or when the deal is officially announced.
724 Responses to "Twins close to landing Delmon Young [updated]"
this tells me one thing..
WE BETTER GET JOHAN SIGNED
Love it
love it?/ HOW?
I believe Young could be an instant impact for Minnesota. He should be able to hit well in the Metrodome and provide an extra punch to the middle of the lineup.
Young will crush the ball in the dome!
agreed on signing Johan, mh
I HATE THIS DEAL!
unless the twins having something with teh yanks to bring in Hughes, or something with the sox to bring in bucholtz.. this deal makes NO SENSE.
our lineup does not get better.. WE DO NOT HAVE A CF… we lose barlett for harris?? what the heck..
and young does not improve the lineup..
we can only hope he off sets the production we lost with hunter
Sounds like the Twins need Johan now.
Why are we switching short-stops with them?
Is it time to give up on Bartlett?
Isn’t Young insane?
I understand that Garza probably wants out of MN. But what about the Boof speculation from before?
Get your score cards early folks,this team will look nothing like we are used to.Trader Bill?
jeff
i agree
why barlett??? why not punto??
harris? really?
maybe the mets offered up reyes???
I agree that this deal is a head scratcher. All we hear about is how valuable young pitching is, then the Twins trade one of the top 5 young pitchers and the starting SS and they get Young? I will wait to see what else is done this off season but I don’t think this is a Home Run.
Maybe Young is only making a pit stop in Minny? There has to be other irons in the fire.
Delmon Young is 22 with HUGE upside. Personality issues aside.
In addition to Garza, the Twins would send Tampa Bay shortstop Jason Bartlett and reliever Juan Rincon for Young, shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie.
*whistles*
So I think we can safely say the TR era is over. Though I would miss the heck outta Bartlett.
But one thing I can say, if this is true…this ain’t your daddy’s Twins. 
I don’t have a problem with it. Delmon is fast enough to play CF potentially. Gets rid of Rincon and his salary, the SS numbers seem to be a wash.
This is interesting, Young provides some upside in the OF or as someone to trade elsewhere, Harris is Bartlett with some pop here are his numbers.
137 Games ave 286,obp 343,slg 434,12HR,
968FPCT,756 ZR. Garza might be alittle steep but getting rid of Rincon is a plus maybe this is the sign that the Twins have bigger things coming.
It is a head scratcher, but maybe this is just a precursor of things to come. Garza is a lot to give up, and I have no idea about the Harris kid, but it may lead to something else. We may not want to look at this deal in isolation.
Why on Earth would the Twins ever trade Bartlett??!!! The guy finally starts to come around and show some promise and they trade him? What the… otherwise this isn’t that bad of a deal. I like Garza, but I think he could become a Loesh headcase.
Good deal for the Twins. I think Bartlett is ok, but Young is a potential superstar at a fraction of the money. Pitching surplus allows them to give Garza. Agree that Young’s production aims at replacing Hunter’s but Hunter is gone–have to try to replace it someway, somehow.
unless the twins having something with teh yanks to bring in Hughes, or something with the sox to bring in bucholtz.. this deal makes NO SENSE.
Unless they plan on keeping Santana. Or wait…do we not want that now? I can never keep up.
This move may seem confusing, but it’s possible that this is shuffling some guys around to make a second move elsewhere. I agree swapping SS for SS is confusing….but I’m going to let it play out.
[…] Twins close to acquiring Delmon Young for Matt Garza The Twins are close to landing Delmon Young from the Twins in a six-player deal that would send Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett and Juan Rincon to Tampa Bay. The Twins would also pick up Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie, the Star Tribune’s La Velle E. Neal III reports. Twins Insider
Harris at 3B, Punto at SS?
Thanks for the info, David. I agree getting rid of Rincon could be addition by subtraction. Interesting indeed. Well, we all wanted something to happen and it looks like it’s going to.
This was predictable… no matter what deals are made, 3/4 of this crowd is going to bitch about it.
If this is the only deal made, it’s not enough to significantly change the Twins’ fortunes in 2008… but as part of a series of deals, I think it’s a good start. I didn’t really want to see Bartlett dealt, but I can live with it. The Twins clearly wanted Young and the Rays weren’t going to give him up straight up for Garza. They like Bartlett and the Twins get a SS to replace him.
I’ll reserve judgement for now until I see what comes next.
If we were getting Reyes or some other known quantity in a different deal then I could accept this move. Right now I’m looking up stats on Harris to figure out why we’d want him in the first place.
He’s younger, hit more HRs, had fewer errors, is an inch taller and makes 24k less a year?
I guess on that alone maybe it makes sense? He’s already used to playing on turf.
Perhaps this is being done to move Casilla over to SS and obtain Cano and Hughes from the Yankee’s for Santana. I could see this taking shape nicely then.
Our lineup does not get better?! Are you crazy?! How does it not get better with one of the best young hitters in baseball?! I’m stoked on this deal and confused about the negative reaction. All we ever gripe about is this team’s unwillingness to make any moves and this is the biggest move we’ve made… in a long time (if it happens). It’s not like we don’t have other young pitchers. I liked Garza, but he’s not so far above the rest of our young kids that it should be a deal breaker. I liked Bartlett too, but not enough to sour this deal for me. At least management is showing they’re willing to take risks and if all goes well, we’ll pick up another pitcher (or two) for Johan. I really hope this happens.
Harris at 3B, Punto at SS?
Or Harris at SS, Punto on bench.
Casilla remains at 2nd, and the Twins put their best foot forward on aquiring a 3B. Like I said earlier this could be the beginning of some other moves.
I’m sure they wouldn’t trade Bartlett away if they didn’t also have a plan at 2B and 3rd. Perhaps they heard something in the Santana trade winds that indicates they have a 3B on the way…
This was predictable… no matter what deals are made, 3/4 of this crowd is going to bitch about it.
It’s amazing isn’t it?
No 3B, SS or 2B. Morneau is getting awfully lonesome in the infield.
Perhaps this is being done to move Casilla over to SS and obtain Cano and Hughes from the Yankee’s for Santana.
I would be honestly AMAZED if that kind of deal was okayed by NYY.
Here’s a thought: maybe the Twins think Harris is an upgrade. They never really were high on Bartlett’s defense, particularly his over-the-top throwing motion. I just don’t know enough about Harris to really even speculate, but the numbers David provided suggest he’s decent. Anyone know if he has speed?
I like this deal. The Twins need to shake things up after last season. NO ONE should be considered untouchable. If the right deal comes along, everyone can be moved.
I’m excited to hear they are considering trading Nathan as well. If you can sign ‘em, trade’em. Get young guys, get prospects. Cleveland’s team is more mature than ours as is Detroit’s. We aren’t a threat next year. Let’s get the best guys we can so we can build for 2010 and beyond.
No 3B, SS or 2B. Morneau is getting awfully lonesome in the infield.
The offseason is just getting started, and if this goes through it’s a sign that the Twins are looking to make moves to fix the issues.
And why is there no SS? Is it because you’ve never heard of Brandon Harris? That is usually how I see things work. You’ve never heard of the guy so he sucks.
Patrick, I’m with you on being confused about peoples reaction. Delmon Young is a RH power hitter, with a decent average. Plus, he’s young and cheap, which fits the Twins.
I like Bartlett, but I won’t miss the errors.
Do not like the idea of trading Garza. Of course, you have to give to get.
Unfortunately, when Santana is traded this would probably mean a push to keep Carlos “Whiplash” Silva, which would make me want to heave for distance.
With all the pitching prospects we have, I’d have hoped for someone besides Garza going in this deal.
I agree that Young will look great between the M&M boys. M&Y&M boys now. I am just curious if the Twins really had to give up Garza to get him. I would have rather given up Baker and another prospect.
This seems to be an okay trade but for some reason something doesn’t sit right. Guess it could be that Bartlett would be gone and he’s one of my favorites.
Harris, 27, hit .286 with 12 homers and 59 RBI.
Vs. Bartlett’s numbers? That sounds like an upgrade at SS to me.
I like the move we have add some offense in the of to offset the loss of Hunter and Harris for Bartlett is a wash, we save some money on Rincon and we have some younger players that we can control. It’s a good move and the players are not washed up veterans and the Twins still have alot of Depth at the pitching spot. If this move gets made than I could understand the twins asking for a pitcher in a Santana trade, but if this move is not made I think a Santana trade needs to be all about hitters.
Also, don’t forget there are 4 spots on the 40-man roster. It’s way too early to judge this trade until it’s put into context, if it even gets completed.
Plus, he’s young and cheap, which fits the Twins.
Not to mention he wouldn’t get expensive until a few years from now, once the new stadium revenues are in. Fits them now AND later.
M&Y&M boys now. Too bad he couldn’t bad third or so and make it the “YuMM” boys.
Maybe, just maybe, they will keep Santana.
GREAT DEAL! Bartlett is very replaceable and Rincon hasn’t been effective since he got off the juice. Delmon Young is a superstar in the making and will be a nice #3 hitter between Mauer and Morneau.
Could this mean Reyes is on his way over from the Mets?…..That would make the starting rotation a little light without Santana now.
If this move gets made than I could understand the twins asking for a pitcher in a Santana trade
That is true. Unless they decide to open up the wallet and sign Santana now. If a move like this is made, I honestly won’t know what ot think of Smith. In a good way.
I won’t use the wink emote…didn’t mean to use it twice in the last post. That was rather lame wasn’t it.
Seriously, what about the Boof rumor?
I think that’s the kind of robbery we need to pull. They get Boof who already knows Florida. We get Young.
I don’t have a problem with the trade when I realized it got rid of Rincon. I’m sure we have a warm jacket at AAA that’ll pitch better then he did last summer. I know he had a few good years, but the past is the past.
Harris can’t be too slow with the number of extra base hits he pulled off last year. Maybe he can show Joe a thing or two?
good point David,
I would definately want Lester or Bucholz in a BoSawx deal now.
You wanted offense, this is where it starts.
This would be a FANTASTIC deal for the Twins, no matter what happens with Santana. Young is 22 with HUGE upside. The Twins desperately need big hitters, and he will be that. Garza is good, but it’s mostly potential right now, and he showed signs of being resistant to coaching last year. Also, the Twins have tons of young pitchers, and no good young hitters.
Check the stats on Bartlett and Harris. Based on last year Harris is better. More power, higher average. And he’s a year younger and farther from free agency. Pridie looks like he’ll be a fine reserve, much better than Lew Ford and the other goofballs they’ve had on the bench.
I love this deal. Now trade Johan to the Yankees or Red Sox in a deal that includes Hughes and Cabrera or Buchholz and Crisp. Then move Cuddyer to 3B. And trade Nathan to the Brewers. Now you’re looking at competing for years to come.
It sounds like we all “like” Bartlett. But really, what has he shown us? Occasional offense, spotty defense. Yes, he’s young and yes, he’s got potential, but who’s to say this Harris kid isn’t as good or better? Regardless if the Twins scouting has taken a step back, I’m sure they can look at a kid who has major league experience and tell what kind of player he is. It’s not like he’s a completely unknown quantity.
I think that’s the kind of robbery we need to pull.
You can only rob a team if they let you.
Man, I’d LOVE to see Cano come in now. Put him at 2B and let Buscher work things out at 3rd for a year.
Yeah, this team could get itself back on track by 09 if these guys pan out.
Nobody has even mentioned Pridie… again probably because nobody has heard of him, even though he was with Minn in ST last year.
He had a very good second half of 2007 after being promoted to AAA Durham (.318, .375, .539 with 10 HR) and, I believe he’s a CF with some range.
Bartlett is decent. Harris looks decent. should be even trade. Young has tremendous potential to be a huge addition to this team. I like the Idea of Young, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddy, in the middle of the lineup.
Harris looks to be a bit of a utility guy but as SS has a better Fldg % than Bartlett. Not that that is the end all of stats. Plus he is has more power.
I like this.
Pridie could become the front runner for CF.
On its own this isn’t a bad trade,not a great one, but not bad.It convinces me that this is just the first shot across the bow.Young could turn out to be a monster offensively.I liked Bartlett,but Harris had a good year last year and is a year or two younger I believe.what I really like is that Bill Smith has officially thrown away Terry Ryans blinders.
Also, the Twins have tons of young pitchers, and no good young hitters.
Very true. They can’t expect to get quality players if they don’t give up a few in return. Trading Garza is something I don’t think TR would’ve ever done, and is a step towards the kinds of thinking that will help the team.
Sometimes you gotta take a chance. I’m nervous, but I’m excited at the same time.
Send Garza to TB they’ll mess him up so bad that it won’t come back to haunt us. I agree if Young can fit in with the M & M boys and Cuddy we’ve got four young plus hitters. I’m not so keen on Cuddy to third just because right is working for him right now.
I’m all about the Twins making some deals
what I really like is that Bill Smith has officially thrown away Terry Ryans blinders
No kidding. I was expecting a few moves to get the team on track, but not something quite this dramatic.
I’m also glad to see that most of the kneejerk reactionary responses have been drowned out by people with stats and some thought out responses.
Harris would, as a multi-positional guy, give Gardy the flexibility he wants in the infield, to move guys/spell guys on a regular basis.
And if they sign Monroe, Cuddyer can move back to third base
If Pridie plays CF and Delmon RF, does Cuddyer go back to 3b?
I like it. A lot. Funny that the Twins finally look like they are getting ready to move a pitcher for hitting, which we have all been clammoring for for years, and they are going to get biatched at for it. Young becomes, arguably, the second ot third best offensive player on this team. Guys, we are not getting David Wright or Robbie Cano - get over it. Young closer to Babe Ruth than he is to Nick Punto - I’ll take it.
Also glad to see smart fans emerge on this trade
“Garza is good, but it’s mostly potential right now, and he showed signs of being resistant to coaching last year. Also, the Twins have tons of young pitchers, and no good young hitters.”
Great point, David. Garza has upside but it’s not like he’s the “be all, end all” of our prospects. We have options, even if nothing else happens this winter. Don’t get me wrong, I hope there a couple more moves made, but this is a great deal regardless.
If Pridie plays CF and Delmon RF, does Cuddyer go back to 3b?
Maybe Young to LF, Monroe CF, Cuddy in RF? I still have nightmares of Cuddyer at 3rd.
Pridie looks more like a bench player (still an upgrade over Ford), though he could also turn into a packaged piece in a second deal.
This SUCKS for the Rays. Young will be a perennial all-star!
[…] According to La Velle E. Neal III of the Star-Tribune, the Minnesota Twins are close to acquiring OF Delmon Young, SS Brendan Harris and OF Jason Pridie from the Devil Rays in a deal that could involve as many as six players. The report states that the Twins will likely be sending RHP Matt Garza, SS Jason Bartlett, RHP Juan Rincon to Tampa Bay. […]
Why, why, why is everyone upset about losing Bartlett? A middle of the road shortstop with chronic injury problems, no pop, no personality, no leadership capabilities, no fire, no consistency… need I go on? The guy is ok, but losing him is nothing to cry about. And Rincon has not been the same since Steroidgate… he’s overpaid.
Young has a lot of upside, and Harris can’t be much worse than Bartlett. Stop bitching, people. We don’t live in NYC.
Trading Garza now might also point to favorable analysis of Liriano’s comeback.
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YOU GUYS ARE NOT SIGNING JOHAN.. HE WILL BE A YANKEE IN NO TIME..
I should add that Cuddy’s arm is his biggest assest out in RF. I’m not sure where Young plays normally, but he or Monroe could switch up CF/LF.
As a Rays fan, I don’t like this deal,
Young has massive upside, a potential superstar. I like Garza, he could be a star, but not even close to the level of Young. Pridie is a good CF option, should be league average in a couple of years, has more power than Span and Tyner. Harris is a terrible defender at SS, but he’s average at 2B, which is where I see the Twins putting him(Punto or Casilla @ SS).
As much as I would hate ot see Santana in NY if it could somehow land us with Cano we could and I do not like this idea but we could live with Punto at 3b.
I can not believe I just wrote that.
I like where MR. SMITH is going now bring me Cory Hart from the Brewers.
If we do this trade, we better keep Santana!
I’d also mention that as bad as Rincon was at times (ok, most of the time) last season, he’s almost certainly a step above what the Rays had to trot out there for set-up guys. Now that’s scary.
I think this might mean Monroe is a no-go.
[…] The Star Tribune is reporting that the Twins are close to acquiring Delmon Young for Matt Garza. These two seem to be the principles in the deal, although, the deal is rumored to include 6 players. […]
I was on some Rays forums yesterday and if this deal happens, they are going to be PISSED. Not one guy wanted to trade Young.
Young will be a great addition to the team. We’ve been talking here at work about a straight up Garza/Young trade for about a week and we all liked it. I’m excited to get Harris; I believe he will be an overall upgrade at SS than Bartlett. Pridie is the X factor (Rincon doesn’t even count in my book) and he could be a great center fielder.
If the Twins could get Wright from the Mets and a good young pitcher for Santana and someone else, the Twins would become an offensive powerhouse that can make up on any pitching shortcomings.
Isn’t this the guy that threw his bat an the umpire in a AAA game a while back??
No problem with sending Garza and Bartlett to TB for three players…too much to TB with Rincon added! Keep Rincon for another deal!
Harris might be the option a 2B, since he played 47 games there in 07 with a .994 field% (only 1 error).
He played 87 games at SS in 07 with a .968 field% (11 errors).
“why barlett??? why not punto??”
This guy has got to be kidding. Who would possibly want Punto?
The Twins should still send Johan to the Yankees for some pitchers.
Getting Young is a big plus for the Twins. They can’t hold onto pitching prospects for ever. They need to start trading them.
If we do this trade, we better keep Santana!
If they can turn Santana into a proven young pitcher and a posistion player…would you still feel that way?
It definately would put a little more stres on what they get back for Santana (if they deal him) since they’d be giving up their biggest pitching asset.
I think this might mean Monroe is a no-go.
That could be. Talk about bait n’ switch. Get everybody pissed about potentially signing Monroe, they drop this out of literally NOWHERE.
Soybomb, I do think you’re right about Bartlett, and trading Rincon will be addition by subtraction. I have seller’s remorse about Garza. I think he will be special once he matures, in an organization that knows how to develop pitching.
But Harris played three positions last season too, is a decent but not spectacular OBP guy, and has more pop than Bartlett. Young is exciting. And yes, it’s adding offense. It has big upside for the Twins but an earlier poster mentioned removing Ryan’s blinders. That’s a great point and may just make me change my mind.
That would be 2 mill saved from Rincon to pay for all 3 of those guys…and Blackburn as the #5 starter.
bobio, there is no way the yankees are parting with both cano and hughes for santana.
Isn’t this the guy that threw his bat an the umpire in a AAA game a while back??
You know Hunter actually picked up the baseball and threw it back at the pitcher once.
That’s the key word. Once.
WHOA WHOA WHOA…we’re giving WAY TOO much credit to Jason Bartlett…picking up Delmon Young is HUGE.
This is a GREAT move…furthermore, how does this impact a potential Johan deal? I don’t think it does…we’d probably land Phil Hughes anyway.
Face it people, we need offense.
I am torn on this trade. I love Garza, but YOung is a monster and this Harris guy is supposed to be a good shortstop. With Johan gone, this makes getting two starting pitchers back key.
Monroe can sit on the bench, he should be a bench player.
I like the deal, I’ve been all about Garza, but for Delmon Young….absolutely. I think people are underestimating how good he is. His numbers were that far from Torii’s last year, and he’s a hell of alot younger.
I agree, SS is about a wash, not sure why they threw that part in for either team. Harris will have more pop that Bartlett.
Hold on to your hats, boys and girls, doesn’t look like this is going to be the typical Twinkies off-season!! Bring it on!
I really do like this deal, WITH the assumption that it means we keep Johan.
Sure we unload Garza, and no one likes to give up young prospect. But one thing Terry ryan never seemed to learn is that you have to give up value to get value.
But without Garza, all the more pressure to keep Johan.
The Twins won’t make the playoffs whether we keep johan and trade for young or not.
Isn’t he a right fielder? where do we play him?
goto http://www.rotoworld.com and compare numbers for harris/bartlett. Harris sure looks like an upgrade if you look at last years numbers. Harris is almost a full year younger as well.
I like Garza and his potential but I think you sell high with him and that’s what they’re doing. Young could be one of the best hitters in baseball in only a year or two. Almost every Santana deal we’ve heard has the Twins getting a primo pitching prospect who is equivalent or better than Garza so I’m not worried about losing Garza. I liked Bartlett but looking just at the offensive numbers Harris looks better. I have no idea what kind of defender he is though.
To T,
Or, Harris at SS, Punto on bench.
I laughed so hard at this and I don’t even think you were trying to be funny. Here’s to trading Punto for anything, anything at all.
So why are we getting rid of our 2nd best pitcher?
Guys, just an outsiders opinion on this deal. I’m not from MN or a Twins fan, but I downloaded the article and stumbled upon these comments.
This is without question a great deal for the Twins. As good a prospect as Garza is as a pitcher, Young is an even better prospect as a hitter. He is one of the best (if not the best) young offensive forces in all of baseball. Hits for average, power and can steal 20-25 bases a year. In reality, you should have given up more to get him, and should be thrilled that Garza was potentially all it took. Harris and Bartlett are a wash — light hitting MI’s with a little bit of speed.
You have pitching depth (Slowey, Bonser, etc) and Santana will undoubtedly bring you another young stud pitcher for your rotation. If you can manage to get Hughes, and two of your youngs guys pan out, you will have a very dominant and inexpensive team for many years, which can be even further improved by some quality free agent signings with the money that has been freed up. Time for you all to celebrate, not complain!!
If this deal happens, sign me up as the President of the Bill Smith Fanclub!!
Terry Ryan has to be seriously pitting out and having a nervous breakdown with all of the swirling rumors going around! I LOVE IT!
Delmon Young AL MVP 2010
Why not punto?
Simply answer, punto has lousy offensive numbers. Defensive skills being excellent, but offensive numbers rule.
Bartlett was enigmatic, you never knew which one you got. The swing and a miss with errors or the .280 hitter and service able SS.
Torri who?
You guys already want to trade Delmon Young?!?!?!
WTF!!!???
The only problem is the Twins won’t be able to afford Delmon Young once he hits free agency.
I agree that Cuddyer is better in right field, especially with that arm. But if the option is Punto, I’d say put Cuddyer at 3B.
I think this would be one of those win/win deals. Tampa desperately needs pitching and has a lot of outfielders. We have young pitching and need hitters. Both teams could win big on this one.
If the Twins could somehow pry Cano and Hughes out of the Yankees (throw in Casilla and Eduardo Morlan?) they’d be set up fantastically.
I agree with the comments about Smith vs. Ryan. Sitting on your hands until time and opportunities pass you by had become Ryan’s MO.
Now all the Twins need to do is get Lester or Bucholz from the Sox for Santana, and we’ll have a deep and young rotation.
“Trading Garza now might also point to favorable analysis of Liriano’s comeback.”
Good point. I was thinking that too. The guys with the most knowledge of Frankie’s progression had to have taken that into account.
YANKEE62-
That might be the case but we won’t be too depressed when Hughes is pitching a no-hitter in the dome, while Melky makes the final out and Tabata is tearing through our farm system. Enjoy the evil empire.
I wonder if there is any chance that the Twins can get the Rays to throw Elijah Dukes into this trade. Maybe the Twins can throw an A prospect into the deal so that they can get Dukes. He is very talented and needs to get out of Florida.
I love this deal! We have all been clamoring to move pitching prospects for hitters and we have finally done it the right way, for a young hitter!
That Pridie kid looks good and Bartlett was decent, but nothing we can’t replace.
Garza is tough to give up, but you have to give to get. Hopefully they can either sign Johan or move him for one stud pitcher and a 3B, then we will be set for a few years.
The only problem is the Twins won’t be able to afford Delmon Young once he hits free agency.
When is that, out of curiousity?
I wonder if there is any chance that the Twins can get the Rays to throw Elijah Dukes into this trade.
The name is familiar…he’s a position guy right?
“Terry Ryan has to be seriously pitting out and having a nervous breakdown with all of the swirling rumors going around! I LOVE IT!”
Lol, this made me laugh. So true. he’s probably huddled in a corner in a fetal position with the electricity turned off muttering, “prospects prospects prospectsprospects”.
Ok I love this. Garza has potential. that is all. Plus he is a power pitcher who doesn’t really want to mix it up much. I think Young could be the next Vlad.
Plus I love the fact Billy is taking a risk.
http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/for-small-fish-baseball-still-unfair/20071127220509990001
National press agrees Twins are being gutted
elijah dukes is absolutely insane.
T
Dukes is the guy that has about 10 kids and threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend. I know that this isn’t a very good description of the guy but he is really talented and has already said that he thinks he can turn things around if he can just get out of Tampa Bay.(That is where he is originally from)
Is Punto’s defense really that great? I hate watching him anywhere but on the bench. You never know when he’s going to superman for a ball or a base. Last summer was the first summer he didn’t injure himself playing. Cut our ties while we can. I’m not going to any game he’s starting at third. I seriously will walk out of the Dome if he’s in the line-up at third. Honestly the joke the other day about Aaron Boone makes more sense then Punto.
Trading Garza might be a sign that the Franchise is ready to go.
i like the fact they are trying to improve. the last few days there has been a lot on the garza young trade and most say young is a future super star and it would take more than garza. time will tell but my guess is that the bartlett thing may be that gardy wasn’t a big fan.
if we can get cano and hughes we don’t look as bad for next yr.
Wayne, I completely agree with every word you said. Sometimes it’s useful to get an outsider’s opinion. Fans get too caught up in their own guys. Delmon Young could be a superstar.
And one thing no one’s mentioned is that if all the deals go down (Johan and Nathan as well) the Twins will have big time money to sign Morneau and Cuddyer, plus get a free agent or two. To the skeptics who point out that the cheap Twins wouldn’t do anything in free agency, I say that they have always stated that they plan on spending about 52% of revenues on players. With Bill Smith I have faith that they would approach that amount, which leaves money for legitimate free agents.
This trade stinks for the Rays. Garza has potential to be good, but Young is going to be one of the top 5 hitters in the league within two years. If this happens, you Twin fans should be ecstatic that the Rays are a total mess and can’t get out of their own way.
SERIOUSLY, this is a GREAT trade!! Delmong Young is going to be amazing! This is awesome. And plus, this may be a sign we may be keeping Santana!
elijah dukes is absolutely insane.
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literally.
T and Jama,
Dukes makes Young look like a great samaritan. Dukes is the guy that threatened to kill his girlfriend, and now won’t pay child support. He’s a nightmare
insane
another tampa bay loser trade
So do the Twins now keep or trade Santana?
Ellsbury, Lester, and Lowrie for Santana. Log it!
This is awful…
Bartlett was our one clutch hitter down the stretch this season and Matt Garza has potential to be a No. 2 starter…
What is happening to this franchise????
Now we need Jonny Gomes thrown in as well for our DH.
I’d be surprised if the Rays do the deal as we’re talking about. This is a steal for the Twins if its those 6 players.
Although, I was never as high on Garza as most people.
Hey, if this was true than Charlie Walters got something right, isn’t Garza/Young the “rumor that just wouldn’t die?”
interesting… this probably plays to Santana for Reyes deal. I wish that it was Boof or Baker going, because Garza has much more upside….
Bartlett was our clutch hitter??????WTF!!!
I’m pretty okay with this deal. Young should be great and Harris seems to be a small upgrade over Bartlett.
[”The only problem is the Twins won’t be able to afford Delmon Young once he hits free agency.”
When is that, out of curiousity? ]
In about 5 years. Young only has about a year of service time, so it is like the Twins signing a “very” cheap free agent for 5 years. If he turns out to be a very good player, then it will be in his interest to sign a long-term deal when he reaches arbitration in a couple years to protect his value in case of injury.
“Dukes is the guy that has about 10 kids and threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend. I know that this isn’t a very good description of the guy…”
I enjoy your skill in understatement, Jama.
Jama, that would be sweet, not sure if the Rays are even that stupid, maybe if we threw Punto in the deal LOL.
I would not trade Young, we may be able to trade the rights to Monroe in a up coming deal. Nathan and Monroe to the Brewers for Hart and AA 3b Matt Gamel.
I like Bill Smith already.
Young had one onfield incident. He threw a bat that hit an ump. He apologized the next day and took his 50 game suspension like a man. There has been nothing else.
Seriously this could be a friggin steal for the Twins.
Great point about Liriano, Shawn. Seems to me, getting a great young OF prospect with some real pop in his bat, a somewhat better SS, and another decent OF prospect for a pitcher that could go either way, a SS that will never be a top player at the position, and (at this point) an average at best relief pitcher is a good deal for the Twins.
Now is a great time to add quality youth on the offensive side, and get things moving forward. Pretty much any of the proposed deals seem to be bringing in more very good young players for Santana, and perhaps Nathan. They will be saving a great deal of money, which they could then use (if they EVER wanted to) in a year or two to add a marquee player to a solid young team when they open the new park.
It’s a good trade, I think, and they are being very proactive, which is unusual.
Jon
You do have to admit that he has a ton of potential and upside when it comes to baseball though.
I agree it would be a risk but if they didn’t have to give up much for him I would be okay with him coming to town.
when we wheel and deal it is like watching corky behind the steering wheel of a sports car. Look out cause we are retards with power
[…] Delmon Young, fresh off finishing in second place in the Rookie of the Year balloting, is rumored to be heading to the Twins in six player deal, where Matt Garza would be the big chip going back to Tampa. Considering the Rays have had a logjam in the outfield for a few seasons now and pretty much no pitching outside of Scott Kazmir and half a season of Jamie Shields, this deal could make sense for both teams. […]
to explain the previous comment about Reyes: Harris is a better fielding second basement than a SS, which makes me think that he is probably meant to play 2B…
Young is said to have a rocket for an arm. Move him to left and solve that problem. Pridie becomes our CF and is a leadoff hitter, that problem is solved. Harris is an upgrade at SS. Monroe and Kubel platoon DH. Not the greatest option but better than last year. The Twins needs are:
CF: Done
LF: Done
DH: Done
Leadoff Hitter: Done
Power hitting righthander: Done
3B: TBD
1/2 the people like the trade 1/2 hate it…. guess its a fair trade for both sides.
I think this is exactly the sort of trade the Twins should be making. Yeah, it sucks to lose Garzilla, but what we need most of all are young players who, when confronted with a base ball pitched in their direction, hit it.
National press agrees Twins are being gutted
Did you read the entry before you posted your article?
Dukes is the guy that has about 10 kids and threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend. I know that this isn’t a very good description of the guy but he is really talented and has already said that he thinks he can turn things around if he can just get out of Tampa Bay.(That is where he is originally from)
It certainly would be outside the Twins norm, but if they can get him for a cheap prospect it wouldn’t hurt to try. Worst case scenario they cut him loose in Spring training if he shows signs of “regressing”
jama, agreed,I would do it at a very low cost.
From mlbtraderumors.com:
“It’s exciting to see Bill Smith pull the trigger on a deal to get that possible elite slugger. Will he be more hesitant to trade Johan Santana now? Or maybe it doesn’t matter since he’d require an elite young hurler like Phil Hughes in return. Beyond Young, you also have to applaud Smith for getting Pridie, who immediately becomes the Twins’ center fielder of the future. The 24 year-old came back from injuries this year to rake in Triple A. Just like that, the Twins have an outfield.”
Well said, PR. I keep having to remind myself that this isn’t offical yet. But I really hope it will be soon. Seriously, this move could be up there with the AJ for Liriano/Nathan/Boof deal. Young could be that good.
I’ll miss Garza, but you have to give things up to get what u want sometimes? Young and his 93 RBI’s will only help this depleted lineup, he can play anywhere in the Of, or DH, Harris is Bartlett’s equal, but I think the plan with him is he will be the ss until Plouffe is ready to take over. I might of tried this deal, but instead of Garza, throw in Bonser and Baker, but I don’t think the Rays would bite on that, but Young will go great in between Mauer and Mourneau. We also can unload Rincon, don’t know much about Pridle, but the Twins must like something if they used a Rule5 pick on hi last year.
So would this make Bucholz/Crisp a tad easier to swallow as a jumping off point in a Santana deal? Or would you rather see another guy slotted in along side those two to fill it out?
How can you not love this deal? IF the Twins are really getting Young, it’s a total steal. He could end up being one of the top 5 outfielders in the game for the next ten years…You have to give Bartlett and not Punto because everyone else in baseball knows Punto sucks. The team has to hope that Casilla works out. Garza is a big chip to trade, but his potential pales compared to Young. Besides, the Twins develop pitching really well, but get a good hitter every five years.
So would this make Bucholz/Crisp a tad easier to swallow as a jumping off point in a Santana deal? Or would you rather see another guy slotted in along side those two to fill it out?
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Now it’s Bucholz and Lowrie, who plays SS but could be moved to 3B.
they trade a ss for ss and that some how means reyes another ss is coming here? i don’t understand the logic.
There is no way you can do this deal on the assumption of how well Liriano is doing. Nobody knows how he will do until the season starts.
Dont get me wrong. I like this deal. But to me it means they will try to hold onto Santana. You cant give up Garza and Santana and possibly Silva when you dont know how Liriano will be.
Kevin - I didn’t read that article at all as saying the Twins are being gutted. Just that low revenue teams can’t hold on to superstars forever. And one article isn’t the “national press”.
I would love to see a salary cap in baseball. The sport would be much better. But in the absence of one the apparent direction of the Twins right now is terrific. There’s absolutely no way the Twins could pay Torii $18M a year. If no other free agents got more this offseason he’d be the 4th highest paid player in baseball. And when Johan is done he’ll be in the top two or three. Reality is the Twins can’t do that.
they trade a ss for ss and that some how means reyes another ss is coming here? i don’t understand the logic.
There are some who talk about sliding one of the SS’s over to 2B. Would it be that easy?
coky is running the “economical” twins, look out we are run by retards with power.
What are people’s thoughts on why both teams would want to exchange shortstops?
So would this make Bucholz/Crisp a tad easier to swallow as a jumping off point in a Santana deal? Or would you rather see another guy slotted in along side those two to fill it out?
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Now it’s Bucholz and Lowrie, who plays SS but could be moved to 2B or 3B.
If we do this trade Johan to the Angels might make sense. They have a surplus of pitching- the other Santana or Weaver; two guys who could play third base in Wood and Figgins and a future star second basmeman in Kendrick.
Should be a good deal for both teams.Young is a great defensive RF with a great arm, once he learns plate disipline he could be a .300 hitterwith 20-25 hr power, not a great base runner but has good speed and he has played CF and done a decent job. Harris was a liability at SS and was moved to 2nd base in August because he lacks range but is good at balls hit to him average arm. He had a career year at the plate and was consistent most of the year he will probably end up at 2nd. Tell me about Garza.Thanks
Hey I think I already saw this outline on how to run a team done by Kevin McFail this year. How are our good old T Wolves doing anyway cause I hope we have the same results as them
I’m worried, despite Delmon’s superstar upside, that he will end up having a Garret Anderson-like career, and unless the Twins are convinced he can play CF well, I don’t see the reason for the deal.
Delmon badly needs someone to teach him plate discipline, and of course he doesn’t really seem like a Twins type of player with his questionable decisions in the past.
The positions we really need help at are: 3B, CF, and 2B. This trade doesn’t really address any of those issues (unless you are convinced Delmon is a bonafide CF)
Bartlett to Harris is also a downgrade defensively. Harris would be OK as a starter at 2b, but would not provide good defense as a shortstop. The Twins have always underrated Bartlett.
Another question: why would the Twins make this deal without first seeing what they’d get for Santana and Nathan?
I think Fernando Perez would provide equal overall production on offense and defense to Torii Hunter, and he wouldn’t cost anything close to Garza. Go after HIM!!
Overall, a very risky trade for the Twins. Even if Delmon does develop, he probably won’t be putting up really good numbers till 2010 or so, and by then we’ll be within a few years of losing him.
Keith, harris to 2B, young to CF, and trade Johan to Mets for Wright and others?
Dennis:
I agree on two counts: Hunter was not worth 18 mill a year, and we need a salary cap. How much nuttier must things get before MLB sees how this is all destroying the game.
On the Santana trade would you rather have Hughes or Bucholtz? I think that I prefer Hughes but I am sure the other pieces involved will make the difference.
TR Fan, fastball fastball fastball
[…] According to LEN3, the Twins are close to acquiring Delmon Young. Having heard earlier this morning that Boof Bonser’s name had been dangled to the Devil Rays, I excitedly jumped to the conclusion we were about to get another mega-steal. Alas, that’s not the case; Boof’s name is not on the list here. Instead, we’ll be giving up Garza. […]
TB Fan, Garza is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball.
here is my thinking..
why would we trade a ss for a ss unless we had a backup plan???
harris for bartlett?? sounds absurd..
why not keep barlett??
unless this means and infield of punto, harris casilla… which is an infield that cannot hit. haha
“Even if Delmon does develop, he probably won’t be putting up really good numbers till 2010 or so, and by then we’ll be within a few years of losing him.”
He had 93 rbi last season…I would categorize that as “productive,” to say the least.
why would the Twins make this deal without first seeing what they’d get for Santana and Nathan?
Bucholz or Hughes/Kennedy seems like something they could go get at a moments notice. The decision now is which team offering a young pitcher has the best position players to package in.
The idea now is to bring in a young pitcher who will be just as good in a few years, that will also be affordable while they get ready for the new stadium.
Again, with Garza gone, and I do like this trade, all the more do we need Johan.
On the Santana trade would you rather have Hughes or Bucholtz? I think that I prefer Hughes but I am sure the other pieces involved will make the difference.
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Yes, depends on the other pieces, but I like Lowrie (Red Sox AAA 3B/2B/SS), he would be on the Sox if not for Pedroia and Lugo.
Doesn’t Delmon have to play CF, where does Cuddy go if they think he plays RF? Will one of them DH?
Seems to me like Delmon is too good in the field to not play him somewhere.
For God sakes NO COCO!!!!!!
which is an infield that cannot hit. haha
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Harris, 27, hit .286 with 12 homers and 59 RBI.
I’d call that an upgrade at SS.
Dave,
Did you see Young’s numbers last year? They were better than almost all the current Twin’s players. My guess is that he’ll have more of an impact than you expect next year; there’s no reason to wait until 2010
I think this is a good trade for the Twins. Delmon Young is a good young hitter. Brendan Harris is an UPGRADE over Bartlett offensively. Garza has potential but we haven’t seen it consistently. Rincon is on the decline and Bartlett is good but offensivly doesn’t have any punch and makes too many mistakes.
I think I could like this deal.
I’d miss Garza but you never know with pitchers and Bartlett has been a little too inconsistent in the field for my taste and looks like one of those guys who could lose range in a hurry.
Delmon Young to LF. Kubel to RF. Cuddeyer to 3B.
Or perhaps that trade of Joe Nathan to Milwaukee for Corey Hart and Kevin Mensch or Bill Hall. Hall to 3B. Hart to LF. Or 1-for-1, Nathan for DH-to-be Ryan Braun (I saw him play 3B last season. For his protection and the protection of the 1st base side fans, Braun has to go to DH)
Are the teams in this town so pathetic that we need to analyze baseball now…I guess so. Santana isn’t going to stay here anyway after next year.
Rays Fan
Garza is going to be a top end pitcher if he learns how to harness his power. He has a plus fastball and good off speed stuff he just hasn’t quite figured out how to use it all. I think he will be a great #2 with the Rays. As pointed out many Twins fans are upset that he is leaving. As long as he can learn how to use his pitches a little better and adjusts his attitude a little you will really like what you see.
I’m starting a “NO COCO” fanclub. Anybody want to join?
Now we don’t need Mekly or Coco …
if harris is a 2b then reyes makes more sense. or gardy gets his way and punto plays short. i can’t think this means they will pony up 25m a yr to keep santana.
IF this deal happen, it seems like fair deal for both clubs. Rays has hitters, but badly wants pitching. Twins has pitching, but badly needs good hitters.
I’m not going to start pretending that I doubted Garza. I loved what I saw and will miss him if he goes.
But the offense is the bigger issue, and I can’t expect them to get anything that will help without giving up something to help another team.
If it happens, I’ll wish Garza and Bartlett the best of luck…feel bad that Rincon grumbled like he did…and welcome Young, Harris, and Pridie with open arms.
I think everyone is overestimating the Craig Monroe thing. He should be thebackup DH and LF. As a fourth outfielder he has value, but he should not be taking AB’s from Kubel, or Young (if he is a Twin) and I don’t think that the Twins have intentions of putting him in CF.
“Now we don’t need Mekly or Coco …”
Don’t we? (not Coco, but I would think Melky Cabrera would still be a trading chip in a Santana trade to the Yanks)
Dave, the Yankees have made an offer for Johan and I am sure there have been plenty of talks and feelers out there guaging his worth in trade talks.
This also could mean we are committed to getting him signed, or moved and Silva signed. We have to keep one of them and/or land a guy like Hughes ready to step in and be our #1 or 2 starter.
LOOK OUT CAUSE CORKY DRANK TO MUCH BEFORE WHEELING AND DEALING TODAY. TWINS SHOULD BE CALLING KEVIN MCFAIL FOR ADVICE ABOUT NOW OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY DID
Dave: If the worst Young does is have a Garrett Anderson type career I’ll take that in a heart beat.The potential is even greater.The Twins need young hitters.I’m liking this deal more every minute.
Now we don’t need Mekly or Coco …
That’s very true. And if this deal has been going for a while, it’s likely that it could’ve been the reason they were a bit hung up on what they’d expect back for Santana.
Wrap this up, and they’ll know. A good young pitcher to replace Garza, and a 3B or 2B that can produce NOW.
Isn’t Casilla actually a shortstop? Maybe that is a plan for the moment. Casilla and Punto ss platoon?
Young will play CF, so we don’t need Mekly or Coco. What ELSE can the Yankees / Sox / Angels offer?
Iwould still rather have Crawford because he is a CF, but I understand that Young is cheaper and a potentially great right handed bat to balance lineup between Mauer and Morneau. Talent wise I don’t mind giving up Garza for Young, actually I think Young is quite a bit more talented. Hate to give up up Bartlett, but I bet Harris can equal his production. If we can get Cano and Hughes or Ellsbury and Buchholz this might not be that bad.
Harris is not going to be playing SS with the Twins. He did not field the ball well while playing SS in the past. I think he will probably play 2B and Punto will play SS unless there is a trade. Really does it matter if Harris plays SS or 2B if Punto is playing the other position?
Young’s numbers stunk last season.
Matt,
Huh? Delmon’s #’s last year were quite pedestrian. He wasn’t even as good as Kubel or Cuddyer last year:
Kubel: 785 OPS (on base pct + slug pct)
Cuddyer: 790 OPS
Delmon Young: 724 OPS
Dave, the Pridie inclusion does address CF, potentially.
The Twins thought enough of him to Rule V him last year. I watched him in ST and I honestly thought he had a good chance to stick. In the end, the Twins turned him back over to Tampa but in a half year at AA and a half at AA, he looked great. He immediately becomes the best CF prospect in the Twins organization (well above Span) and with a good ST this year could go north with the Twins. That does, of course, depend on what other deals Smith makes before ST.
“So would this make Bucholz/Crisp a tad easier to swallow as a jumping off point in a Santana deal?”
Nothing would make that easier to swallow. Crisp should not be involved in any way with the Santana deal. That includes getting Theo coffee while he’s on the phone with Smith.
The fact that we traded Bartlett tells me we will be getting a SS as part of the Santana trade. Reyes?
sorry.. that should read “…in a half year at AA and a half at AAA…”
Pridie had a good half season, showing much more power than can be expected of him. I suppose if people are going to get all hot and bothered over Matt Tolbert, why not Pridie?
I was confused and mad when I read the article- couldn’t believe we’d give up Garza. After thinking for just a few minutes, I now love it. Young is one of the best hitting prospects in the game and the kind of player we never got ahold of under Ryan. We’d stockpile pitchers, then do nothing with them. Even with the loss of Garza, we’ll have an outstanding, young rotation. (Liriano, Whoever we get for Santana, Baker, Bonser, one of the handfull of capable arms at AAA.) Add Young to an already decent lineup, replace Punto with….anything, and we have a very, very talented team, that’s also fairly young and affordable.
ok so we are still would be at 37 on the 40 man roster santana still will get traded
1st of all we are not going to get Wright or Braun!!! Why do people keep say we should get one of them, their teams are not going to trade them. Wright is the NY Mets and Braun was the Fing NL Rookie of the year! I see Pedro Feliz(sp) being signed as a FA 3b,
Trading Santana for the best offer from one of the big market teams and Trading Nathan for a good bat with power.
The Twins are the talk of the hot stove league and I for one like it.
CF Cabrera
SS Harris
C Mauer
LF Young
1B Morneau
RF Cuddyer
DH Kubel
3B Buscher
2B Casilla
This lineup is not very good. It is far worse than last season.
Young is an excellent RF and is now one of the tops in baseball, to put him at DH you would have to already have a gold glove OF. He can play center and he does have the instincts needed to play there, no one will run on his arm his defense is worth a few wins, he is that good. Thanks for the info on Garza if he could become a number 3 starter with Kazmir and Shields the Rays would have great starting staff plus they have another in Price who was the number one pick in the last draft. Now if they could find a bullpen.
yea, sure.. this is a decent trade
last year in the pennant race.. this is a we want to win kind of trade.. its a fantastic move
after the loss of hunter..
this is a save face kind of trade
JimCrikket,
I don’t mind Pridie, but I’d much rather have Fernando Perez. He kept getting better all year long, plays a great CF, and would give us a prototypical leadoff hitter. Maybe TB won’t give him up tho…
I would say, if we are getting Delmon, Cuddyer is either going to be traded or moved back to 3b.
TR fan, Bullpen? You are getting Rincon. Unfortunately this is the non roid Rincon.
Great deal for both sides.
If neither team makes trades, in 2010 the Rays will have a 10 man outfield and the Twins will have a 10 man rotation.
First, I love Matt Garza and think that he is undervalued everywhere. I think #2/3 starter is his floor. The Rays will have the makings of a dynastic rotation with Kazmir, Garza, and Shields. Also, Young will probably become the second best player in MN.
I think Bartlett is also better than people realize. Adding Bartlett at short, Longoria at third, and maybe playing Iwamura at 2b will go a long way to improving a pathetic Rays infield defense. I’ve heard Harris is a bit over his head at short…maybe the Twins are going to let Casilla play short (wasn’t that his natural position?) and have Harris play 2B?
Also, I think Rincon is done as a setup man. He’ll be better than most Rays relievers, but he’s no longer useful in a bullpen as good as the Twins’. The Twins liked Pridie in ‘06 and so did I, it’d be good to get him back. He’s had some issues, but he was once a top prospect and he had a good year last year. At 23 he still has plenty of upside.
This would probably move Kubel into the DH spot, hopefully full-time, not just platoon.
Agreed that we can’t look at this deal in isolation. I think it’s likely that we are going to see Santana and Nathan leave as well, and we’ll have to wait until the season starts to take stock of where we are.
Zach - Punto will be the starting 2nd baseman opening day. Buscher will not be the starting 3rd baseman.
i like the deal of geting young i think we all wanted sometime this would jason be the dh then because young and going to be in everyday player for us LF if not LF CF
… and Young will be the CF …
Zach,
the lineup you put together would be better than last season.
Cabrera > Castillo/Tyner/Bart
Harris = Bart
2008 Mauer > 2007 Mauer
Young = Hunter
Morneau = Morneau
Cuddyer = Cuddyer
08 Kubel > 07 Kubel
Buscher > 07 #8
Casilla => LNP
This is not surprising. Remember last year when it was reported Garza was having trouble with some of the staff?
This is just the Twins getting rid of one of their headcases.
I’m listening to the FAN right now; Hartman and Rosen are speculating that Garza and Young were switched because both have attitude problems. I think that’s looking WAY too deep into this…
Could it be instead that Tampa had a logjam in the outfield while the Twins had a surplus of pitchers and a LACK of offensive punch in the lineup?
Plus, Pridie is already upgrade over Span and Tyner, isn’t he?
I agree with Mark rosen talking on KFAN now how the twins are really gambling on Liriano being back in top form, to part with Garza and Santana.
I like this deal, but it also means all the more we have to keep Johan.
Wow… action going on in the off season.. This is a fun new era.. Thanks Bill Smith! I cannot wait to see how this all plays out, good or bad it’s entertaining and keeps the Twins in the news year round.
Does Johan have a no-trade clause in his contract? If so, he will never approve in going to TB!
Sorry, just saw this: Harris spent a lot of time at 3B in the minors. He seems versatile.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/brendan-harris.shtml
um G, what?
Let’s not get too excited yet - usually when these deals hit the media first, they’re already dead.
Howeve, assuming this is the rare case where the report isn’t all smoke and no fire: Move Santana to the Yanks for Cabrera, Hughes and a bag of balls, move Harris to 2B, deal Nathan for a SS, and suddenly this is looking like MLB lineup with a strong young pitching staff.
LOUD NOISES!!!!
Would have been much happier with the arrival of Young if Hunter had been here to shepherd him to maturity. You know, help hime keep his ego in check, that kind of thing…
Okay.
I’d love for someone to tell me why any of you think casilla is good?
Please?
And don’t go for the “hes better for punto” I’m talking about all around. Why is he good?
*shudders*
if punto gets his bat back (which in my mind he will) we have a perfect 2nd basemen/shortstop. Heck you can put that guy anywhere.
Isn’t Casilla a natural SS they tried moving to second? Put Harris at 2B, Cassilla at short, get a decent 3B in the Santana trade, and, if you must keep Punto around, use him off the bench like he’s meant to be used.
This is at the top in LEN3’s update. If you can get him at a decent price, you do this ASAP!!
It was learned on Wednesday that the Twins have shown some interest in free agent center fielder Aaron Rowand, but it’s unclear if they’ve made a contract offer.
I think it is official to say that the twins are rebuilding.
Just like the Timberwolves and Vikings.
casilla is a young, raw, untapped talent
he is a younger version of luis castillo
LaVelle: The Twins are actually showing some interest in Rowand? (see top of page for up date)That kind of speculation has me positively giddy.
Please let’s not overpay for Rowand. I heard he’s looking for 6 yrs 80 mil. Not worth it, especially if Young is now a part of the outfield.
I hate to see Garza and Bartlett go but Harris can hit and Young is the young, power hitter with upside we have been wanting. This would be interesting if true.
mlbtraderumors.com brings up an excellent point
the trade of garza for young totally changes the teams the twins are looking to trade with..
we need a 3rd baseman…
dodgers or angels are the teams we will have to look at for a trade
Casilla at SS
Harris at 2B or 3B
Young in CF
Young is developing into a superstar…you know he was a rookie last year right? How polished was Hunter with the bat at 22? He isn’t polished now, 10 years his elder. Young will only improve, Hunter will only decline. Harris is a darkhorse who could really put up some great numbers. I don’t know much about Pridie…but I like the idea of shipping Rincon out, he has really regressed the past couple of years and is making too much for the role he would have this year.
Trade Nathan for a 3rd baseman, sign Santana
My daughter’s stuffed teddy bear has more power than J-Tyne…
oh yeah, mds… cuz Torii’s ego was SO “in check”. Now to have him around for a year to teach him to play CF well… ok. But the last thing we need is someone taking ego-checking lessons from Torii Hunter.
Uhhhh…he’s a little bit TOO raw to be in the bigs.
He needs one more year in AAA.
Someone please agree with me.
He’s too, well…immpatient.
And the time he was late to practice because the alarm on his new phone didnt go off?
wow.
How highschool of you.
“CF Cabrera
SS Harris
C Mauer
LF Young
1B Morneau
RF Cuddyer
DH Kubel
3B Buscher
2B Casilla”
I think that it is more like:
SS Jose Reyes (for Santana)
C Mauer
RF Young
1B Morneau
3B Cuddyer
LF Kubel/Monreau
DH Monreau/Kubel/TBD
CF Priddie
2B Harris
Andy, I love that reference. LOL
Casilla stinks. His #’s at AAA weren’t even any good last year. He’s nowhere near ready for the majors.
i like this trade. we upgrade our middle infield offensively with harris, and we get a 22 yr old outfielder with incredible potential(as long as he behaves). and all we give up is the next kyle lohse(garza), and roid using dissapointment rincon. he’s talented but who knows. i dont understand why we are stockpiling corner outfielder’s: cuddy, kubel, monroe, young.
ESPN’s sources are confirming the trade agreement….its got to be official now right?? Noone would make a mockery of ESPN??
At least they gave credit to the start trib for breaking the story, not just running with it saying they broke it like everything else lately.
The Twins can’t be interested in Rowand, could they?
COULD THEY?!?!?!
Or…
Johan to the Angels for Kendrick and Wood.
Kendrick plays 2nd, Casilla/Harris SS, Wood/Harris 3rd
Gamer
Don’t forget about the Gophers Football and Basketball teams!!!
I just dont see Cuddyer as returning to 3B. Am I the only one who remembers what a disaster that was a couple years ago? I’m betting the Twins coaches remember.
Dave thank you, someone who agrees with me.
He annoys me greatly.
This trade could be great. It could stink. So much could happen over the next 5 years that is not within the control of either GM. Heck, something could happen over the winter. The bottom line is, the Twins needed offense, so they went out and got Young. Can’t fault ‘em for that. I’m not wild about giving up Garza, but you have to give something up to get something. Kudos to Mr. Smith.
karlee
i agree casilla is a bit to raw
but he is young… young players are raw…
takes time for them to learn…
plus, we got him for romero…
but he has a bright future
CF Ellsbury
SS Harris
C Mauer
LF Young
1B Morneau
RF Cuddyer
DH Kubel
3B Buscher
2B Casilla
Liriano
Buchholz
Baker
Slowey
Bonser
What do you guys think is this a competative team. It actually looks a lot like last years but younger. Liraino and Buchholz replaces Santana and Garza. Young replaces Hunter’s bat and Ellsbury is a plus to the lineup. I actually kind of like this team. If they can find a way to trade Nathan for a good third baseman, I kind of like this team. While Ellsbury may not be aan all-star caliber player, he is a great leadoff hitter. The middle of the order is formidable with Mauer, Young, Morneau, Cuddyer and especially if Kubel starts hitting. Buchholz is better than Garza and Liriano is as close to a Santana replacement you can find in baseball.
Cano
Hughes
Kennedy
Cabrera
Ellsbury
Buchholz
Lester
Crisp
Reyes
Gomez
Milledge
Mulvey
Pelfrey
Im sorry I’d pick Punto over any position casilla would play.
Casilla is too immpatient at the plate.
He can steal bases, but he gets caught more times then he can steal them.
Remember Puntos bat in 06.
I do.
Oh..oh I do.
Plz come back.
The White Sox backed off Rowand because they thought he was asking too much(6 years/12-13 reportedly), why would the Twins even talk to him?
Karlee-
If you look at Punto’s career numbers, including minor leagues, you’ll see that him “getting his bat back” isn’t that much of an upgrade. 2006 was an abberation for him, not the norm.
Casilla is younger and has more of an upside.
the trade of garza for young totally changes the teams the twins are looking to trade with..
we need a 3rd baseman…
dodgers or angels are the teams we will have to look at for a trade
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Yes, this could change the Santana rumors - we need 3B not a CF, so Sox and Yankees may not match up well.
Garza is a tough guy to give up but the Twins have so much pitching that they can afford to if it shores up the offense. Even trading Santana may give them two very good pitching prospects, one to plug into the rotation this year and one who has the potential to be a #1 or #2. I like Slowey more than Garza in the rotation as well.
Santana will not be traded
Harris stole 4 bases and made 11 errors last season for people looking for
more stats. He has really only played one full season at shortstop in the big leagues and that was 137 games for the Rays last season. I like Young’s numbers and potential, but don’t like his baggage at all. With the possibility of no Johan, no Silva and no Garza, I don’t like the Twins starting staff as much as I use to.
Jeff P, keep dreaming. The Brewers will never trade Braun, not even for Nathan. There is also no chance they trade Corey Hart either so you guys can get off that pipe dream too. They may be willing to deal Gwynn or Hall and a prospect but Braun and Hart are off limits.
Coco Crisp is much better than coco krispies.
Punto can’t even Bunto. nuff said
alright
this whole casilla or punto conversation is absurd…
casilla has been in the majors for how long??? if you want to give up on casilla.. fine.. give up on him..
if you give up on young players you will never build a team
I am a retard.
They would definitely be younger and cheaper, but would they be better? Young has more offensive talent than Hunter. If Ellsbury becomes as good as everybody says this lineup is world series wothry with a plus third baseman. Then we will be in the ironic postition of needing to add pitching.
Yes he will. No way the Twins let him walk next year with nothing to show.
How many games did Young play in CF last season? I think the Twins would play him in LF if they get him. As LEN3 mentioned this possible trade could end the thought of keeping Craig Monroe.
i am a red sox fan living in new york. you will not be getting cano from the yanks or ellsbury from the red sox. you should be happy with a crisp, lowrie, lester offer for santana. lowrie is a shortstop that is better suited for second base.
this is a great deal for the twins. young is the real deal. garza could be the real deal. that alone makes it even and you improve your everyday lineup, even if young is just replacing torii hunter. but he is younger and cheaper.
i believe if they trade santana, they will now ask for 2 pitchers in return.
CF Priddie
C Mauer
DH Young
1B Morneau
LF Kubel
RF Cuddyer
SS Punto
2B Casilla
3B Harris
tbh
BTW, I liked your lineup Zach
Karlee..
Punto is married.
Give it up.
He’s not going to dump her for you when he gets hit bat back and hits .275 instead of .215
Sorry to give you the bad news…
Young played about 20 games in CF and openly complained about it. I’m not sure if that will change if he comes to the Twins.
Please go out and get Rowand. Love him.
I would like to see Casilla get a shot at SS, if we can’t get a better player in trade. then pick up a 3b in trades along with some starting pitching.
“i am a red sox fan living in new york. you will not be getting cano from the yanks or ellsbury from the red sox. you should be happy with a crisp, lowrie, lester offer for santana. lowrie is a shortstop that is better suited for second base.”
There’s your east-coast arrogance…in other words, we’ll get what the Red Sox or Yankees DECIDE to give us, and we’ll like it.
Good gawd.
priddie will not be an everyday player, and kubel will not bat 5th. Harris should bat 6th or 7th. Punto is garbage and should bat 11th.
John: tthe stock piling of corner outfielders could actually be the makings of a bench.I realize as Twins fans we aren’t used to that,but think of the possibility of needing a HR in the bottom of the ninth and not sending up the likes of L-Rod!
To Whomever you are: You are mean and a poser. I don’t condone using the word retard. Ever. Rude, rude, rude. I bet you are 45 and single with a beer gut.
Please go out and get Rowand. Love him.
That would be the icing on the cake if some of these deals start taking place.
One proven name (big free agent good faith signing or whatever) and some good young talent to mix in.
Combined with freeing up salary to lock up some guys long term. 2010’s starting to look pretty good.
I take it they don’t see pridie as a stop gap cfer then?
in other words, we’ll get what the Red Sox or Yankees DECIDE to give us, and we’ll like it.
As I’ve come to learn, when dealing with arrogance…you can sometime make the other guy think he’s got you where he wants you.
Come in firing high (”I want Cano, Hughes, and Cabrera!”) and you can make them think they fleeced you when you walk out with Cano and Hughes.
Just saying as an example. I don’t think this is quite how drastically it’ll play out.
Frank, we should lobby for Gardy to DH for Punto this year and let the pitchers hit. That’s how bad Punto is at the plate.
No on Rowand please No LT contracts that could cripple us.
I do not like this deal. Delmon Young is the guy who once threw the bat at an umpire; bad clubhouse chemistry with a volatile player. Those players mentioned are good, but you never never NEVER give up young pitching (Garza) for these guys. Especially if Johan is traded, they are going to need Garza more than ever. These guys might be decent, but they aren’t going to help a pitching staff that could potentially be the worst in the league next year….especially when hitters can be acquired and pitching is at such a premium. When Silva is marketed for $10 mil a year and Kyle Lohse is marketed for 7-8 mil a year, that shows how thin good pitching is. The Twins team historically is built on good pitching. But of course knowing my luck, this analysis will blow up in my face….but in turn being good for the Twins!
Its BJ not Justin that is on the Rays
“I take it they don’t see pridie as a stop gap cfer then?”
I think Pridie is pretty young, isn’t he? I’m not saying he’s the long-term answer, but I would think someone like Crisp would be a stopgap.
Frank you are not realistic and are a typical east coast fan. Should be happy wiht Lester, Crisp and Lowrie hah! You do not know baseball. We have better pitching prospects than Lester. Ellsbury is not as great as you Bostonian crack heads think he is. Also if you think you can get Johan without giving up Buchholz you are not rational. At least the Mets know they have to give up their best prospects, I am so tired of Yankees and Red Sox fans who think it is their birthright to get the best players and not give up theirs in return. We aren’t even trying to get Ortiz, Ramirez, Beckett and we are giving you a player who is as good or better than them. God I hate Boston and New York, I can’t wait until their is a salary cap and the Blue Jays routinely win that division.
todd, i would prefer to keep our young talent and let the yanks take santana. i am giving you the view from how the red sox see it. they will not mortgage too much of the future. the sox will happily walk away if the twins don’t want what we offer.
i would be happy getting baker or boof for crisp and keeping our young talent. what a great name deal with coco and boof.
BTW, there is no “east coast arrogance”.
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Remember when the most exciting Twins off-season news was Lew Ford being re-signed?
Hey T. Look in the dictionary under journeyman. There’s a picture of Brandon Harris.
there has been no indication that they are trying to sign monroe and i can’t see them going to arbit. with him. they could still get a cf, young in lf and kubal dh where he should be, he is not a good of.
cabrera, hughes, kennedy and tabata would look good.
zach,
we traded hanley ramirez to get beckett. what are you talking about? i have seen garza, slowey, bonser, baker, et al, and they are not as good as lester. as for ellsbury…just watch and see what this kid can do. he will be one of the most dynamic players in baseball in 2 to 3 years. picture grady sizemore, with less power.
I like the potential trade. The Twins need to take some chances to upgrade the offense. I realize pitching is important and Garza shows some signs of being really good, but I’m going to be sick if I see us score 0 and 1 runs every game again next year. Even Santana gives up 1 or 2 runs on homeruns.
Frank - I agree with you about Ellsbury and Cano. ALL the reports are that neither guy would be traded. I think it’s likely they’ll go for two pitchers for Santana (Buchholz and Lester? Hughes and Kennedy?) or try to get Brandon Wood and Nick Adenhart/Jered Weaver.
I actually think the Twins could make a play for Rowand. As I said earlier, they have no problem going up to 52% of revenues, and they’ll be way below that. Rowand is arguably nearly as good as Torii, and will cost much less. $48M for four years is a LOT better than $90M for five years.
“i have seen garza, slowey, bonser, baker, et al, and they are not as good as lester.”
Really?
No east-coast arrogance? okay
Young is more likely to kill a guy than hit 30 HRs for the Twins… Bill Smith’s next move better be to work on his resume, because he isn’t going to last long with these types of moves…
jerod, that was never exciting.
Darling I know punto is married, sorry to burst your bubble thinking I’m one of “those” kind of girl fans.
I’m sorry I don’t like the best players on the team as much as I do Punto. I forgot if someone sucks you should hate them right? I like his scrappyness and how hard he works. Even though he blew, and THEN some last year.
I just wish his bat would be as good as his defence.
I enjoy watching him play.
If you would like to know I also enjoy watching Redmond,Neshek,Cuddyer, and Blackburn.
ok.. for us minnesota fans.. our prospects are better then lester.
for boston fans… lester is better then garza slowey..
yada yada…
who cares… if the sox want johan.. they will give something up… sox fans should be more worried about the twins rays trade.. cuz unless the twins are going to unload kubel or cuddy.. we wont need more outfielders…
lester is going to be a good pitcher…
will i say he is better then garza? nope..
would i include ellsbury/lester for johan? yes i would
its sort of like trading KG to the celtics… Boston fans were terrified to give up AL…
now look at em.. AL would not have that team 9-2…
Don’t trade Johan/Nathan, sign Rowand and you contend:
Harris 2b
Kubel DH
Mauer C
Young LF
Morneau 1B
Rowand CF
Cuddyer RF
Macri/Buscher/cheap FA 3B
Punto SS
Frank
Wouldn’t you agree that Hughes has more potential than Bucholtz? I would rather have Hughes personally.
Ellsbury will be good, but you guys are acting like he is the next Mickey Mantle. He is at best a poor man’s Johnny Damon on offense with a better arm in center. I really do not think he is an all-star caliber player. IN Grady Sizemore’s league, now I know you are high. I will give you that you gave Ramirez and Sanchez, those were two great young players. Although there is no way Lester is as good as Garza and we are about to get Delmon Young for him. So what do you think Santana brings if we can get Young for Garza?
Rowand at 6years for 80 million lets see thats 13.3 million per year, if I’m not mistaken that is 1.3 million more than we were paying Hunter, and I believe Rowand is 2 years younger than Hunter and puts up numbers that are close to hunters for the career so I think Rowand would be a good fit and a great cf for the Twins.
i would give up lester or buchholz, but not both. i would not trade ellsbury because we are short on young position players. getting santana would give is santana, beckett, matsuzaka, lester or buchholz, and shilling/wakefield. given that, i am still reluctant to trade the young talent for santana. pitchers are more likely to suffer a major injury. why pay $130mm and have santana get hurt? we will still be good without him.
Frank is right on one thing.They don’t need Santana as bad as the Yankees do.But feel free to drive up the price by bidding for him.Think of Ellsbury is like Sizemore with less power?Sounds like winner, you can keep him if you don’t want the best left hander in the game.
I really don’t think Pridie is ready for the big leagues. He was on our roster for Spring Training last year…so CF is still TBD…
Throw them Nathan and get Baldelli or Elijah Dukes in return.
Wow, signing Rowand would be nice…no doubt about that. I just doubt the front office would do it. I can’t fathom offering ANYONE a deal longer than four years.
One of the things I like best about this deal is it seems like Bill Smith’s way of telling Boston and the two NY’s to “get serious or get lost” in Santana talk. He’s gotta be getting tired of all the leaks out of those clubs concerning who is or isn’t going to be available. In other words, negotiating in the media. That’s not the way Smith does things.
He’s now said “we’re going ahead with other deals to fill our needs… if that means we don’t need what you have to offer for Santana, too bad.”
Young is a fantastic player that would immediately benefit the Twinks. Garza is a good pitcher, but we have so much pitching we can afford to trade him. As for Youngs history, the whole bat fiasco was a mistake, we’ve all done things we regret. And Young is not really a bad clubhouse guy, he just had his disagreements with Maddon, the other players loved him in the clubhouse. This would be a great trade if we could pull it off
Really Karlee, you aren’t one of “those” fans? Who is on your booty of the day?
Quote from your Blog “Nickles. Your booty even looks good upside down. I bet it also looks good running to home plate too. *ahem* edit: AND IT SO DOES LOLLERCOASTER OMGZ.
nope you aren’t one of THOSE fans at all.
I know this is far fetched but if you were in the Mets position and you were dealt lets say Santana and Nathan for Wright…would you do it?
Or would we even?
I know the whole “omg David Wright” thing is getting old.
But MAN he would help. Haha.
Frank,
I don’t think we would get both Buchholz and Ellsbury in a Santana deal, but I’m pretty sure you’d have to give up one of them. You don’t get the best pitcher of the last five years without giving up even one blue chip prospect.
Buchholz/Crisp/Lowrie, seems like something that would work for both sides.
I personally like Buchholz better than Hughes, but they are very close.
jama,
i would say hughes has more potential. i have seen him pitch and he only throws in the low 90’s, but he throws strikes. it’s hard to find young pitchers that aren’t afraid to do that. buchholz is similar, but a small notch below. lester throws harder, but has some control issues, but that is typical of young lefty starters. remember randy johnson? mark langston? lester may the the better bet long term.
Doug- Good call on the bench building. The bench has been one of the Twins biggest, but least discussed weaknesses over the past few seasons.
To all the people having a hard time w/ Young’s “attitude” “baggage” or whatever you want to call it- he’s made 1, that’s ONE mistake. As has already been pointed out (forgive me for not going to back to see who said it first), he apologized and took his suspension quietly. Give the guy a break. It’s not like he’s Elijah Dukes.
D.C., Pridie wasn’t on the Twins roster last year for Spring Training. That was two seasons ago as he was a Rule 5 pick up. You shouldn’t throw out info if you don’t have the facts. He is MLB ready. The reason he didn’t stick with the Twins in ‘06 was because they needed to clear a roster spot for him by a certain date, or he went back to the Devil Rays by rule.
You dont know sarcasm when you see it I guess. It’s fine.
for christs sake, kubel is NOT a #2 hitter, have you seen him run the bases?
i need to go. i don’t want to turn your board into a red sox board. you guys should be happy getting young. i am surprised tampa gave him up, but they must know that he has more value now than baldelli or dukes.
One name I haven’t seen surface with respect to a trade with the Yankees is Wilson Betemit. He playes 3B and is only 27. True, he’s eligible for FA soon, but he could be a sleeper.
Remember when the most exciting Twins off-season news was Lew Ford being re-signed?
Well said…this is obviously the most exiting winter I can remember
Also to those who yell at Delmon for throwing a bat (still not the smartest move, however) remember when Hunter got HBP and hurled the ball back at the pitcher
Betemit or Tabata
i think the twins would offer Rowand around the same offer hunter got that they offered 3 years 45 million maybe add a 4th year as an option year that would be 3 million less then hunter if Rowand sings with us i can just emagen how pist off the cisox fans would be but i do think he will want around 15 million a year what do you guys think
Hard to see Johan go to another American League team for several reasons. I think that the Mets and the Dodgers are probably the front runners right now, because esp. the Dodgers have players available that can match the Twins’ needs (LaRoche, Billingsley, Broxton, Kershaw)
Actually, the Mets are reportedly turning their attention to Joe Blanton.
I’d be down with trading for David Wright. Not gonna happen though.
didn’t lester have some health issues this year?
Only if cancer is a health issue…
why the heck bartlett? Punto maybe. Garza also what is Smith thinking?
JimCrikket: I agree totally on how Smith is going to deal with The big boys on Santana.Joe C fell right into that trap with his article yesterday.Who ever wants Santana long term better pony up know because it will cost them more money to sign him next year if he goes FA ,and there is no guarantee you will get him.If you want him give something up to ensure you get him.
Yes, I still dont want Johan traded, but if we do, trade him to the NL.
As you say, the Dodgers have the best players to offer.
Yes Jimmy,
Mistook 2006 for LAST years season…still in complete NFL mode where 2006 would have been LAST years season.
I still don’t think he’s MLB ready. It will be completely hit or miss as he has just about….ZERO at bats in the bigs. He did hit pretty well in Trips last year though but I’m still weary about the no MLB experience.
Who the heck is going to take Punto off our hands? No one unless it’s an “If you want Johan, you gotta take LNP” kind of a thing. We should be thankful they took Rincon off our hands.
Bobb I’m sorry.
It’s kinda hard NOT to stare at baseball players behinds. Since ya know I’m a female. And I like males.
I find it interesting that there was the whole Boof to FL talks then this appears showing we’re dealing with FL.
I’d rather see Boof go than Garza.
Does this trade spell the end of Jason Kubel?
I’d love to land Rowland, but according to cnnsi.com, the Chisox sent out some feelers and found that they weren’t anywhere in the same neighborhood number wise. If they’re scared off by his price, I can’t imagine the Twins making a serious run, though Bill Smith has surprised me (in a good way) so far…
i can think how good are outfeild would be with young in LF Rowand as are CF Cuddyer in RF and Jason Tyner and Jason Pridie as are to back up outfeilders and Jason Kubel the dh
Here is a link. Ever hear of google?
mlbtraderumors.com says that the Twins strategy will change now that they have a deal that will probably happen. Their attention will turn to finding a major league ready pitcher and 3B in a trade for Santana.
They talk about the Yanks, Red Sox and Mets are out if that is the case and the best possible trade partner would be the Halos.
To be very honest who the heck knows. This whole thing is so backwords.
Lets just wait and see.
I don’t mind this deal, Twins get rid of Rincon - who had a down year and might be getting worse. Bartlett is decent and sometimes provides a spark -but can be inconsistent and has had too many costly errors. Garza, while good, really only has a fast ball and is still working on other pitches, so at best he might end up a decent middle reliever.
Young may have some personality issues; but playing in T.B. - anybody would!
Now if the Twins can pull in a 3B and/or DH along with a potential young starter and other AAA/AA players with potential - I believe they would start building a decent team for 2010.
Hey at least the Twins are making moves. I can’t believe that there is any way we sign Rowand. If we are going to get him, why not re-sing Torii? Let’s try to get a couple young starters (one frontline) and a young 3B and CF for Santana and Nathan. You know if you think about it, if we were going to win with this group we would have sometime in the past five years. Maybe it is time to blow it up and try to reload with a new cast to surround Liraino, Mauer, Morneau. This is the best time to get lots of value for top pitchers considering this is the first offseason in many years where there are literally NO good pitchers. Forget what you have been hearing, the Mets and Yankees will claw each other to death to land Johan.
I think Billy Smith will make a bad name for his rept. Kept Bartlett and Garza and give some one else…..
Good Lord D.C., every MLB player at one point had no MLB experience. Pridie is ready.
I think Billy Smith will make a bad name for his rept. Kept Bartlett and Garza and give some one else…..
What???
i forgot,i’m old forgive me, cancer would make me think twice before i traded for him.
Can we trade the Pohlads? Maybe we can get value for them.
“Does this trade spell the end of Jason Kubel” I don’t think so.If nothing else he becomes a viable DH option.He still has a lot of upside and is still pretty cheap.
Terrible Trade??!! Young = Power and youth
Harris = better fld. % than bartlett and slightly more power
I love Garza, but this means that the Twins have some strong offers for Santana that include AT LEAST one front-end rotation guy
B, thanks for the link to that google thing you were talking about, pretty neat stuff
This is a Steal for the Twins. I am a Devil Rays fan, and this goes to show you that they do not know what they are doing. Young is the best pure talent on the roster and he has a disagreement with the manager, and they want to get rid of him so quick. He is a former #1 overall draft pick, 22 years old, and he is proving he can hit in the majors. Garza is a talented pitcher, but I feel the Rays could of had traded some other outfielder and not Young. Great trade by the Twins if it gets done.
so does this mean we wont thank you bill smith have Craig Monroe on are team now thank you because i dont see the twins cutting tyner perty good backup i dont see kubel leaving but parbly will be the dh no so i think pridie will be the other backup thats three backup outfeilders on the bench
A few thoughts as things are “happening”:
1)Don’t forget Crain should be back this year, can’t be any worse than Rincon was
2)Everyone says we need CF, 3rd, DH. Give credit to Smith for thinking creativily. If you do this deal and then trade Santana you get a young starter to replace Garza, possibly a CF(or use Santana/Hunter savings to sign Rowand)or at least have options to make overall lineup better-Young could play center, Young could play right(move Cuddyer to 3rd) or Young could play left(move Kubel to DH,split time with Monroe??)
3)Losing Hunter and not extending Santana really happened on Ryan’s watch, at least Smith is being proactive instead of reactive.
4)For those who questions Young’s character, remember that Garza was also the one who blasted the Twins when they sent him to the minors and told him he could’t just rely on his fastball. How was his character?
Maybe Young will “crush” the ball at the Dome…but the Twins are only there for 2 more years…???
We wouldnt trade Punto.
He’s cheap to keep around, since he’s a good utility infielder. Which yes, in my mind he should be.
He should be playing but not one position every day.
I like Bartlett but the kid is too inconsistent.
And I don’t get we would put Garza out there. He will be amazing in a year or two. But I guess you gotta dangle someone good out there to get some nibbles.
The Twins need to SPEND MONEY to get/keep players in MINNESOTA!!!! Thats why Hunter left. MONEY TALKS PEOPLE.
dano, consider using spell check in the future
Good job Twins. Way to steal a lot from the Rays while giving up practically nothing in return. Harris actually has a decent bat, and Young had what will most likely be remembered as an aberration in 2007. The “Rays” gave up too fast on a great prospect, and now they’re trading him away for a pitching prospect that I find pretty darn bad for a top pitching prospect
I think that if Johan goes to the Yankees the Twins need to ask for Eric Duncan to be included. I know he has been pretty up and down but he has never been given much of a shot. I’m not saying he should be one of the main parts but they should get him as a throw in.
Char remember Harris is the Tony Bastia of SS no range doesn’t get to half the balls bartlett does I’d like him at 2b though.
Jimmy,
True, but how many of them started a full season and were actually productive?
Thank god your not Billy Smith or we’d have about 6 players on our team that have had NO MLB experience.
93% of today’s starters have had their feet dipped in water before they were made full time starters. Very few playes succeed in their first 2-4 years w/o MLB experince…alas the long developing process from rookie ball to MLB
AAA and MLB are two different worlds my friend. Right now, Pridie would prob. hit around .265…
Put him on the 25 man play him once or twice a week and by 2009, he’ll be fine.
NEW YORK (AP) — Reliever Brian Stokes was acquired Wednesday by the New York Mets from the Tampa Bay Rays for cash.
I don’t understand why after a decade of sound decision-making and heading the lists for “smartest professional franchise” Twins fans feel like the organization is driving the team into the ground? We lost an aging and free-swinging CF who put up big numbers in a contract year (go figure)? Give the organization some credit before naysaying off-season moves
Although man I wish we could get a Kemp,LaRoche, Kershaw/Billingsley deal from the Dodgers. This would be one hell of a club within a couple years.
A core of
C Mauer
1B Morneau
3B LaRoche
LF Young
CF Kemp
RF Cuddyer
DH Kubel
This would be phenomenal. You lock up Morneau, Cuddyer and Young after next year. Not to mention I am not ready to give up on Casilla I think the kid is talented, but needs to work on his defense. Add a solid FA pitcher to go with Liriano,Slowey,Kershaw in 2009 and this is a world series team.
Thank you Paul for saying that…..
I’ve been clammoring for the Twins to deal with the “Rays” all year, but I didn’t expect Delmon Young to be included. I think it would be a coup if the Twins pull this off.
I’m quickly becoming a Jason Pridie public relations person. He batted over .300 last year as an everyday OF in AAA with the Durham Bulls. Switch hitter, good wheels, 10 HRS but more of a gap to gap hitter.
Digging deeper and doing some additional research finds that his agent is his brother, who himself used to be in the Twins system years ago.
Team was high on Pridie during the ‘06 Spring Training, but couldn’t find room for him on the 25-man roster. So by rule (being a Rule 5 draftee) he had to go back to the Rays.
Wow!!! what a great time to be a twins fan. i cant remember a time i have been so excited about a Twins offseason. I like this new GM!!!! Great move to get Young. He has the potential to be an all star for years to come. Garza is good but i dont know how much better he will be, plus we still have alot of good young pitchers
FYI - OFF LIMITS ACCORDING TO THE YANKEES IS CANO AND CHAMBERLIN - CANO WILL NOT BE IN A TRADE
Harris is a utility guy at best. An upgrade for L-Rod. They’ll either get a shortstop (Lowrie?) in the Santana or Nathan trades or open the job up to a competition between Punto, Casilla, and Machado.
With Wild Bill running the show, I expect they’ll acquire a bona fide shortstop.
By getting Young to play the outfield, possibly CF, it shows the Yankees are not giving up M.Cabrera in the Santana deal. Hughes is going to be a big time starter in the majors. I think a deal with the Yankees is closer than expected.
Twins fans need to understand that 99% of the deals won’t be as sweet as the AJ for Boof, Nathan and F.L. trade.
Hughes + Cano is not going to happen.
Teams are not going to give up their best guys for Santana unless the twins give more.
The days of other teams throwing away young guys appears to be over.
I don’t think getting Young has anything to do with Cabrera. The Spanks are shopping Cabrera. They’ve actually inquired into Rowand, if they can dump Cabrera.
[…] At his blog for the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, citing ‘several sources,’ La Velle E. Neal III reports that the Twins are close to trading RHP Matt Garza, RHP Juan Rincon and SS Jason Bartlett to the Rays for OF Delmon Young, SS Brendan Harris and OF Jason Pridie. […]
Rowand is a light-weight and past his prime.
he may be a utility guy, but like cmathewson said, an upgrade - the twins can’t keep putting out middle infielders who hit with the ferocity of Mendoza just for the sake of their defensive skills (albeit, amazing D skills)
Any chance they could throw Delmon in at CF?
He has a great arm, good wheels…and he could gun down an ump at home plate with a bat from the warning track.
What are the prospects that they try him out at CF during Spring Training?
Glen,
If that is true, then Santana should be off limits to the Yankee’s.
I think that this talk of getting nothing for Santana is a joke. If we cannot trade the best LHP in baseball for three starters on next years team, we should sign him. We can trade him later (like Viola, Kevin Brown,A-Rod) if we need to. Just becuse we sign him does not mean that we cannot trade him later.
Gamer
Did anyone here before today had an idea that this trade was in the works? It goes to show you that hopefully other deals are on the table to bring in different talent. I guess that is why the twins were not serious in bringing back Hunter.
93% of today’s starters have had their feet dipped in water before they were made full time starters. Very few playes succeed in their first 2-4 years w/o MLB experince…alas the long developing process from rookie ball to MLB
AAA and MLB are two different worlds my friend. Right now, Pridie would prob. hit around .265…
Whatever. I’m sure this 93% stat is based on rock solid facts. Do you work for the Elias Sports Bureau?
you all say the Yanks and Bosox will not give up top players for Santana. Fair enough. I agree.
But we should not give up Santana for anything less than top players. If they dont throw them in, for gods sake dont make the trade. We arent in such a pitiful position that we need to hold up our hands and sell the store for peanuts.
Pridie should be in center and Delmon in left. Kubel to dh. Thats a very good move.
Harris hit better last year, and is a tad better defensively, not sure why the rays wanted bartlet over him, but ill take it.
“cmathewson says:
November 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Harris is a utility guy at best. An upgrade for L-Rod.”
I don’t think you could be any more wrong on Harris. I don’t think he’s going to set the world on fire, but he’s an improvement over Bartlett and definitely much better than L-Rod.
I like this move.
Why is everyone putting this Pridie guy in CF? He must not be that great if we left him unprotected in the Rule 5. Everybody bitches about Span, but I am willing to bet that he far more talented than Pridie.
i actually like the dodger trio if offered. kemp is a much better hitter than cabrara, laroche could play 3b and kennedy or billingly would replace garza. just have to hope our young pitchers step up a notch.
This makes it all the more obvious to me that Johan Santana will be pitching for the Yankees next year. They have no offensive prospects to match what we need, so we get that from somewhere else. We will probably end up with Cabrera and Hughes/Ian Kennedy. Let’s pray it’s Hughes. Kennedy just seems too over-hyped.
I like this! This is exciting stuff!! Even if things do not pan out, it shows that Bill Smith is not going to be TR hording all his pitchers for the “future” that never arrives. For those concerned about Young’s “clubhouse” behavior, I don’t think it’s any worse than Garza’s who has been very resistant to taking coaching from probably the best pitching coach in the majors.
JimCrickett - I DO recall how Cuddy struggled at 3rd and do not want to see him back there. He seems to have found a home in right and I love his cannon arm.
I like all the line-up speculations but unfortunately for us, Gardy still makes the line-up and he is going to insert his most favorite non-producer that we are all excluding, LNP.
Go Twins! Go Bill Smith!!!
I’m not wild about Melky Cabrera. If the Yanks are looking at Rowand, then maybe they aren’t wild about Mleky either. Should be a warning sign.
Are we ready to give up on Garza? Don’t know a thing about Harris. Young has upside but so did David Mccarty. Not too keen on this one. But I LOVE the fact that they are active so far this winter. Definitely a nice change.
Daniel, I think the opposite, This shows that santana will be staying
Zach, running the 40 man roster isn’t always perfect. Twins like Pridie, but didn’t feel keeping him was worth being on the active roster 2 seasons ago. So he went BACK to Tampa.He’s continued to improve in the minors, and was surplus for the Rays.
As opposed to the Twins. Span is a weak bat, average-at-best arm…and he’s one of the better OF they had in the top 2 levels, sadly.
Kind of like Angel Garcia. Rays took him Rule V, but didn’t keep him and Angel may make the AAA roster this season.
Zach,
Pridie is in center field because the Twins liked him, drafted him in the rule 5, but we couldnt drop another player do to options or whatever. (We drafted him a year after Lew Ford was actually good)
And he wasnt injured so we couldnt put him on the DL (like we did with Machado)
This whole thing is just the first move to trading Santana…don’t be surprised to see this trade nailed down and the Santana one to happen shortly after…my guess is (excuse me while I vomit) Boston
It’s kind of funny that we could actually afford to sign Rowand for $12 mil a year and add all those players. Now that we are trading Santana and Nathan for players that are team controlled we will still have money left over after locking up Morneau. We are going to have about $30 million dollars left over after these deals. Give Morneau and Cuddyer their combined about 9 to 11 million raise and you still have $20 million left. We could have afforded Torii and we defintely can afford Rowand. I don’t think Rowand is that good though, I think his numbers are inflated in that park. He is a helluva gamer though and I love his attitude. I personally feel he was a huge part of the White Sox winning that title in 2005. This Twins club is an open pallet right now and Smith can do a lot of interesting things. I am very happy the club is finally dealing pitching for hitting. You can’t give up Baker or Bonser and expect to get great young hitters. You have to give up your best pitching prospects to get the best hitting prospects. Otherwise you end up signing R.White and Batista.
It shows that Santana will be staying.
But it’s the MN Twins we’re talking about here. I’d probably pee myself if we actually kept Santana and Nathan.
ESPN said today that we shouldn’t discount the Mets as Santana suitors. Omar Minaya has talked to Smith recently. They speculated that a deal could revolve around Carlos Gomez. I found a Star Trib column from early this month that said the Twins were looking at Gomez as a replacement for Torii. When I hear “Mets”, though, I can’t help but think of Jose Reyes. Hmmm…. Could there be a master plan at work here???
I heard the Twins tried to get Punto in the deal with Tampa Bay but the Rays didn’t want to give up that package of sunflower seeds.
Zach, the Twins didn’t leave Pridie unprotected a year ago (2006). They drafted him FROM the Rays as a Rule V and he had a good sprint training but would have had to keep him on their 25 man roster to avoid sending him back to Tampa. That just wasn’t possible at the time.
What it did accomplish was to give them a very close up look at Pridie for an extended period and they obviously liked what they saw. Now, after a very good 2007 in AA-AAA, they appear to be picking him back up in a trade.
He was better than Span in the spring of 2006 and he still is. He may not be the starting CF in April for the Twins, but I’d be willing to bet he’ll get there long before Denard Span will.
Maybe the Yankees wanted Delmon and Santana to give up Cano/Hughes.
haha
Okay, probably not.
[…] Maybe this will stir up some conversation: It’s a rumored six player deal that would send Delmon Young, Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie to the Twins for Bartlett, Juan Rincon and Matt Graza to the Rays. All this from the Minnesota Star Tribune __________________ Tom Hagen is not a war-time consigliere […]
Nah, just a guess-timate Jimmy.
Seriously, stop thinking your the Peter Gammons of this blog and tell me how many players succeed in their first season WITH NO MAJOR LEAGUE EXPERIENCE.
Did Morneau play well his first MLB season? Nope. Torri? Nope. Do you realize even Derek Jeter hit .250 in his first taste in the bigs (48 ABs). How about Barry Lamar Bonds hitting .223 in his first season?(413 ABs)
I named some of the most celebrated players since they were prospects and even they, for lack of a better term, sucked their first tastes in the bigs.
All I’m saying is the Twins are going to be starting an unproven player in Center Field in Pridie. History says that first time MLB players struggle. Will Pridie follow history? Probably. Could he be great? I hope so. I’m not by any means saying he sucks and he should be good in 2-4 years but he is not the way to go in CF right now if the Twins are interested in making a run for the division.
Should he start? I don’t think so. Should he be a bench player? Ohh heck ya. Let him take his licks.
“I heard the Twins tried to get Punto in the deal with Tampa Bay but the Rays didn’t want to give up that package of sunflower seeds.”
Haha..nice one.
I heard it was the ranch flavored sunflower seeds too. But we were also asking for some swedish fish, I think we went a little overboard on that one.
The only think that would make a Rowand signing make any sense to me at all is if the Twins could get him roughly for what they were offering Hunter. I don’t think he’ll bite on that.
If he did, it might also send a signal to Santana that the Twins are committed to competing in 2008, not waiting until 2010 and maybe convince Johan that signing a reasonable extension with Minnesota wouldn’t be so terrible after all.
It’s a reach… I know.
Lets face it we’re in rebulding mode here. A high end closer isn’t luxury that a .500 team needs right now. Get all you can for Santana and Nathan.
Todd
I disagree, if all you can get is a very top package, yes, but not for less than that, dont trade him at all costs
I think in order to trade Johan now (which needs to happen in my opinion) the twins will require a 28-32 year old pitcher that can replace the void left by Brad Radke after 2006.
Also keeping Silva would be a good choice. I for one will never give up on a guy that walked 9 batters in 180 innings.
We can only hope that this deal gets made - Delmon Young could be just the thing to make us forget about T Ryan not making any great moves this past year. Harris looks like a good replacement for Bartlett and who knows how good Pridie could be - you have to bet on the future sometimes. Certainly no loss in getting rid of Rincon - just not the same since he’s been off the roids. Maybe “Wild Bill Smith” is just what the doctor ordered to jump start the Minnesota Twins - exciting news for the off season. Go Twins!
I agree with d.c.
He has not had any experience in the major leagues and a lot of players don’t do to well. He does have promise though/
D.C. you’re killing me. Didn’t proclaim that Pridie should be the starting CF for the Twins to open up the season. I stated that he’s MLB ready.
Thank you for comparing me to Peter Gammons.
Funkytown, JimCrikket, and Kyle are on board.
We don’t need any more outfielders. We already have Kubel, Young, and Cuddyer. What we need now is an infielder. I could maybe see trading Santana for Hughes and Cano, and then play Punto or Hughes at third. Another idea is to trade another pitcher to the Rays for Iwamura.
I can walk less than 9 guys in 180 innings…and I might have the same ERA as 2006 Carlos.
Even if Pridie only hits .250 with 5 homers and 50 rbi in his first year, Mauer, Cuddyer, Morneau, Young would produce enough to make up for it, not to mention how good Kubel did in the second half
Good point D.C. He’ll be in the majors soon but he’s not the answer this year. Delmon does play some CF so that could be an option. That means that Cuddy would still be in RF and Kubel in LF but we’d still have no DH.
Dave, Hughes is a pitcher.
If no moves for shortstop are made, I would expect, based on what has been stated about Harris, that he would be the front-runner at SECOND, and Punto at SS.
Maybe throwing in Bartlett was part of a master plan with the Mets? Maybe Reyes and Milledge for Santana. Unlikely though because the Twins are going to need a frontline starter now and the Met are the only ones who can’t offer that though. An up the middle combo of Reyes/Casilla would be exciting. Outfield of Young, Milledge, Cuddyer not bad. There are so many options to this thing, that it would be very hard for Smith to screw up. If this Delmon deal happens it will seem that he has a plan and knows what he is going to get for Johan. It is very strange that Garza gets traded before Santana unless Smith knows what he can get in a worse case can replace the pitching hole. If we can get a good offensive 3B/CF and a young frontline starter that would be good. Mind you Melky is not a good CF. So maybe the Red Sox is the deal that will end up making the most sense.
count me on board too jimmy jam
Lol, Jimmy.
I was under the impression that you wanted him to be our everday CF.
But yes, I do agree with him being MLB ready in a bench roll.
I could have always compared you to Jay Marratti…!
Are we really serious are pridie being our everyday center fielder? Say it ain’t so. 2/3 of our that outfield will be as bad as anyone’s in the entire league.
Here’s an idea: Santana to the Sox for Ellsbury, Lester and Buchholz… But then he doesn’t sign a long-term deal. Comes back to the Twins on the cheap for 2009 – all payback for everything Boston has taken from us.
This is our revenge, people.
Wonder how exciting this blog would be if we had blogs in the mid ’90s?
What! Why do the Twins want to give up their pitchers when either way Santana will be gone if not this year, next year. I am done with Santana anyhow, let’s face it we can’t afford him. Bartlett is developing and doesn’t even make that much so he is someone to keep around until the new stadium. I am seriously hating the offseason. I was so looking forward to Twinsfest but how can you now when the players you love won’t even be there! Keep Bartlett in MN! Young will just end up wanting to much money in the next couple years anyway and it will be moot. Since our team won’t pay anyone he won’t last for long! BARTLETT ROCKS! TRADE JOHAN!
Also, M&M
That’s what Free Agency and the trading of Nathan and/or Johan bring. Delmon at CF makes sense if we can’t land any starting CF in a trade of FA.
JimCrikket - Rowand is asking $12-13M, while the Twins offered Torii $15M per year. I don’t know how lengthy a deal Rowand is after, though. He was a White Sox fan favorite, and I think he’d help us forget about Torii.
No way the Twins see Pridie as a starting outfielder. He’d be a fine reserve, and then they can see how he develops.
90’s blog would be all about Scott Stohoviak and Rich Becker. Yeah sub-500 record!!!
i love this trade. as long as gardy settles delmon down, there’s no telling how good he can be. Garza was good, but the twins have plenty of young pitching, not to mention what they could get for johan.
and as far as DH/3B is concerned, the twins need to look into Mike Piazza for DH. he had a fluke year last year because of injury and would be cheap, so it would be all reward/low risk. and they could acquire a 3B prospect in a trade for Johan (andy laroche? brandon wood?) or a name nobody seems to mention, Pedro Feliz. He’s a defensive wizard at 3rd, and averages 20+ homers, 90+ rbi’s hitting in the 7 or 8 slot. i know he strikes out a lot and doesn’t walk, but you can’t ignore the defense and HR/RBI totals.
Dennis,
If we trade Garza or Santana for Carlos Gomez, then I will stage a hunger strike protest rally in front of Twins HQ with hundreds of other disgusted Twins fans.
That would be a disaster! Carlos Gomez is not a premium prospect by any stretch of the imagination.
Okay … Hunter, $12.5 (million), Santana, $13.5, Castillo, $4.5, Nathan, $5.2, Silva, $4.5, Ortiz, $3, Rondell, $2, Rincon, $2 Ford, $1, Ponson, $1 and Garaza, $.5 … that’s $49.7 million in payroll that could be gone. Young and Harris in return for Garza equals $1.7 in return, and Monroe is pondering the $3.7 we offered. Do the Twins plan on spending the $44.3 difference on more than an extention for Morneau and Cuddyer? Where is the payroll increase with the stadium? The trade is okay, but the big picture is scary.
The Twins got ripped off big time. Young is only an average outfielder at best. Garza is one of the top pitching prospects in all of baseball and is a top of the rotation pitcher. Harris is no better than Bartlett and maybe worse. The hitting prospect from the minors is a non-sense selection because of his inconsequencial potential for the team. I hope the Twins don’t follow through with the trade. They should have traded Bonser instead of Garza.
so Young in center, cuddy in right and monroe in left? is that an upgrade from ‘07?
I’m not sure they will consider a 24 year old top line prospect for a bench role. Luis Rodriguez was a very rare young bench player, Ford was only on the bench because we couldnt find a spot for him.
And with that trade, doesnt that make Denard Span expendable?
jb…no one wants bonser. Not even disciplined enough to stay in shape. #4 starter on most teams. #5 on contender.
Man, you have got to be kidding me about trading Garza, Rincon, and Bartlett for such inconsequential players from the Ray. What a stupid move by the Twins. Rincon and Bartlett for Young I could see, but throw in Garza and the Twins deserve to dwell in the cellar.
Kyle,
Maybe the Twins could get a pair of Hannah Montana tickets for Span.
It was learned on Wednesday that the Twins have shown some interest in free agent center fielder Aaron Rowand…
mmmmm….icing.
shuan
the devil rays could take him. honestly, a few years ago their minor league outfielders were faster then most track teams, BJ Upton, Joey Gathright, Rocco Baldelli, Carl Crawford
Punto is still terrible.
Anyone want to tell me why Harris is a worse option than Bartlett? The Twins are obviously demanding a starting SS and P for Santana, so really they will be getting Young for next to nothing…
JB, the Twins basicly gave up Garza for Young, Harris and Bartlett are a wash and Rincon is washed up so we get a 22 year old who is showing signs of being a stud corn OF for a starting pitcher that could be a #1 or a #3. I think this is a great deal for the Twins and a good deal for the Rays.
agree jb, the more i think about it the more i dislike it. slowey, bonser, baker, and liriano (assuming he healthy). ewwww. gimme back my garza. young is a goof and isnt trevor plouffe ready to play shortstop anyway?
Twin’s fans shouldn’t be worried about Young’s attitude. Despite a late season argument with Manager Joe Maddon he seems to have grown up a lot since the bat incident.
He is going to be a heck of a hitter in the majors and has a cannon for an arm in right. He’s probably the best pure thrower since a young Vlad Guerrero.
I don’t think he’ll ever top 30 home runs, but barring injury he should be a candidate for a hitting title within 3 years especially once he gets an eye for the major league strike zones.
Harris is probably best at 2nd base or as a utility player.
jb…Delmon was/is a top prospect. He has a cannon for an arm (about the same or better then Cuddy) he has some wheels and has good pop with the bat. He’s a nice .300 hitter.
Garza is turning out to be an average pitcher that would only be a 3 or 4 starter.
todd…about the same. I don’t see Monroe making the big club. If he does…he won’t play too much.
Swedish fish is way too much for the Rays to give up for Punto; those things are good. It would have to be something truly awful, like black licorice jelly beans.
Rowand is asking $12-13M, while the Twins offered Torii $15M per year.
So the question is, do the Twins think that Rowand is worth just $3mil/yr less than they offered Torii.
I’d say so. Considering that’s 6mil less (estimate) what Hunter GOT.
Delmon Young isn’t in center. The way this works is Delmon in left. Santana acquired CF in center, Cuddyer in right, Kubel at DH to rest his aching and slow knees. That’s not bad at all. Better than last year. By the way, Bartlett isn’t good.
Somehow, the roster looks less impressive than before I heard about the Garza trade. The Twins have lost more than they have gained, especially for the future.
Plouffe and Matt Moses (3B) are still probably 2-3 years away from the majors, from what i have heard atleast. If Buscher learns how to field he could have a chance at third
JB- I don’t know what you’re thinking … Harris is a bit younger and has more potential than Bartlett. Their career numbers are pretty close. And Young is a really good young player — every bit as good a prospect as Garza. Garza has shown flashes, but hasn’t been steady … and neither has Young. I thnk it’s a wash, and since we need position players, a good deal. I just have problems with all the salary we have free and could have after more trades …
Oh and one more thing. Delmon played center briefly last season when Rocco Baldelli was hurt. Based on performance and comments - he wasn’t a big fan of the position. The twins would be smart to keep him in right field.
garza is the only one that im concerned about. bartlett will hit .260 with no pop. rincon is very replaceable. hate giving up on garza. guess he’s as much of a head case as young could be concerned. would luv to see kubel be in the lineup 140+ times this summer. think you’ll get .270 20 hr’s and 80-90 rbi’s. name a twin dh in recent memmory with numbers like that.
There has got to be more pieces to the puzzle for the Twins, because so far, they are not improved by the Tampa trade.
Dave - I agree with you. That’s why I mentioned Reyes as a better possibility. Though I would think Gomez would be just part of a bigger deal if he were included.
JB - No offense, but you remind me of a lot of the owners in my fantasy league, overvaluing our own players and discounting the other guy’s players. Delmon Young is a far better bet to be valuable down the road than Garza. Batters are always better bets in the first place, and Delmon was 22 years old last year, and had 93 RBIs for the worst team in the league. Harris is better than Bartlett based on stats, and is a year younger. And remember, the Twins have no young hitters and tons of young pitchers. It’s a steal for the Twins.
I can see Billy Smith’s thinking. Good logic and shouldn’t be ripped at all for what he is about to do to overhaul this team. Unenviable job. He is going to trade Santana an get two youngs SPs and a CF. That replaces Garza and Santana. The CF we get is the starter with Pridie being a bench guy with potential. Then the Twins will almost certainly trade Nathan. For what I have no idea. Obviously the needs are at 3b or 2b. I would be fine if we got one of those two positions plus some sort of pitching for Nathan. Then we could either let Casilla or Buescher play and bat them last. Whoever is standing. The disturbing thing would be what will happen to our dominant bullpen.
John no..more like dirt flavored jelly beans.
Harry Potter represennnt!
It sucks how easy it is to make fun of him.
Poor thing.
If he was three inches taller I wouldn’t bother.
Really.
if moses is still 2-3 yrs away its time to dump the guy. he’ll be 26′ish by that time. what happened with dave winfrey? still in the system?
Dennis and T, last reports I read had Rowand reportedly looking for 6 years and $84 mil. That’s 14 per year and twice the years the Twins were offering Torii. I don’t see it.
jb:
Is it Garza’s 5-7 record in 15 starts that’s got you excited? He showed just as much promise as he did failure this season. The rotation for the Twins next year will include at least one #1 guy and maybe a 4 or 5 starter (for Santana), Liriano, Boof, Slowey, Baker…That’s a better core than 4/5 of MLB teams
3B is a far bigger hole than 2nd. I can live with Punto or Casilla if the other rest of the lineup is upgraded around them)
can we all agree jose reyes and robbie cano are untouchables? i keep seeing reyes being dealt by the mets. no chance folks. same with ellsbury and buchholtz..they are staying put.
If the Twins get Young, he will not be the CF. They will still be in the market for one. I don’t know if giving Rowand 12-13 mil/year is the right decision, although it would be nice to see a proven name signed. If we do get him, how about:
C Mauer
1B Morneau
2B Casilla (I don’t care.. Punto isn’t even good enough to play in the little league world series)
SS Harris
3B (Trade Nathan for a reliable one.. expensive closers are not worth it. Neshek will do fine)
LF Young
CF Rowand
RF Cuddyer
DH Kubel/Monroe (not the best option, but what else can they do?)
Santana - keep him until at least midseason.. see where we’re at
Boof - hopefully 50 pounds lighter
Liriano - hopefully back close to form
Baker - came on strong at end of ‘07 (near perfect game)
Slowey - had a year of growing pains.. will be better than ‘07
What about a Tyner/Pridie platoon in center? It would allow Pridie to learn and grow a year, and have Tyner (a .270+ hitter) play most of the time. that would eliminate a need in trading for a CF
Lets call Delmon Young and Matt Garza what they are. Semi-established young studs of even caliber. The Twins and Rays simply traded for each others surplus. It is a wash. That being said, I agree with Dennis. Hitters are the more sure thing. Besides there is something about Garza that is troubling. Throw a breaking ball. The only thing that worries me about Young is his attitude. I don’t know enough about him to have an opinion.
Also, it seems that a lot of people in this chat are overvaluing the Twins guys because they are familiar with them. I know you have seen Bartlett come up through the system and become a decent regular shortstop. That doesn’t make him better than this Harris guy who is younger and puts up better numbers.
punto isnt as bad as he was in ‘07 nor is he as good as he was in ‘06.. .260 and stellar defense in ‘08 at 2nd base keeps me happy.
T, the $15M/year wasn’t the deal buster with Hunter. It was the five-year contract. Chicago and Kansas City were only offering $15M/year, but for five years not three. So the point isn’t whether Rowand (at $12M/year) is worth $3M less than Hunter. You can’t guarantee $45M over five years on a 32 year old center fielder with past ankle/foot problems. Rowand is also injury prone; however, he’d be worth it on a 2-3 year deal.
punto sucks.. everyone please realize this
if we platoon those 2 in center we’re looking at a long summer. they both offer the same. speed and very little else. they’re the same players
So Lew Ford might DH for Hanshin in Japan? I wonder if he wants to go to Japan so he can get his Wii games sooner than he can in the U.S.? Or to get more bootleg Anime?
anyone here be completely against mocing mauer? organization may feel they commiting public relations suicide.. your thoughts??
Realize that Punto will start at second or shortstop in 2008. If by some miracle they traded for Cano, Harris would probably move to third.
Face it the Twins are trading everyone. It’s not a bad thing either. They have always had one of the best farm systems in baseball, it just so happens that lately all of their best prospects are pitchers. Billy Smith (I think) has realized this is going to be trading from this surplus to give us more balanced. We may not win in 2008, but we shouldn’t be terrible. Plus with this extra, young hitting help we are getting that just gives us a better chance to continue the success we have had the past 5 years.
The one thing I am curious about is what the heck are the Twins going to do with all of this money they are going to be saving. No Silva, Nathan, Santana, Rincon, Torii. That’s a lot of money taken from last years payroll. I know some people get raises, but not that much.
“What about a Tyner/Pridie platoon in center? It would allow Pridie to learn and grow a year, and have Tyner (a .270+ hitter) play most of the time. that would eliminate a need in trading for a CF”
Yet another short term solution. Atleast right now. (Prior to knowing how Pridie does)
Trade Nathan for either a 3B or CF or both who can play there and play decent for 5-10 years.
Mauer can play third. He could probably pitch. The guy was a potential first string QB at Florida State. He is a great athlete. His days as a catcher may come to a close soon, but no way the Twins move him.
how about this: Young in left, Cuddyer in right, and trade Joe Nathan to Milwaukee and get Bill Hall (no way they would get Hart). He is kind of pricey and had a tough start last year, but picked it up in the second half and would definitely improve this offense. I think Neshek and others can get the job done in the pen.
Shut up about Mauer. He isn’t as good as everyone thinks. His new nick name from now on is Butt Stink, cuz it does.
Dennis,
OK…if Gomez is the 2nd best player in the deal, I can accept it….but who are the Mets going to include that is better?
I’d say with about 99% certainly that they won’t include Reyes or Wright.
If the choice is D. Young or Gomez, I’m extremely glad about their choice.
Actually, though I was pretty down on this trade initially, I’m warming up to it. I’d still much rather get Fernando Perez than Pridie, but overall it’s not a bad deal.
Why is everyone talking as if it is a done deal tho? Have I missed something?
do you think the twins will sing silva agin
We should have traded Johan and Garza for the entire Rays MLB and AAA teams, they cost about the same
We ought to be able to get Corey Hart for Nathan! If not, then trade him elsewhere.
Corey Hart? He wears his sunglasses at night. He wouldn’t be a fit because we play in a dome.
when do you guys think thas deal will be announced.
Dave,
Doug Melvin said he wouldn’t trade Hart for Nathan or anyone at this point since it would create other holes on their team.
I don’t know if they team will win more games with these trades or not, but it will at least get me excited for another season. Just muddling along with the same group of guys wasn’t going to do it for me this coming year. Hey, at least the new GM is trying to shake things up!
I’m all for trading Santana. Look up the success of teams winning the world series with a player that takes up more than 20% of their payroll. Doesn’t happen often, if ever (Pujols, maybe). I am also pretty sure that Santana is going to go to the Yankees. It just seems that their prospects match up the best with the needs of the Twins. CF, check. Young SP with #1 potential, check. Lots of other guys with potential to round out the trade, check.
P.S. we aren’t getting Cano or Wright or anyone like that. We are getting guys that will be cheaper for longer.
This trade is a GREAT sign of things to come…I’m sick and tired of the pussies, excuse me, pirhannas. It’s about time we get a GM that will give up “young pitching” for some bats. Delmon Young produced great numbers last year and is only 22 years old, he will be an all star. Way to go Bill Smith, way to go…
Tedge…its a fashion statement…havn’t you heard that one song where they wear their stunna shades at night?
i stated this to many of my friends before that this would happen this year..
the twins would go on a trading frenzy which they needed to do. if they can get reyes some how which i do believe they can because the mets are in a win now position (there gm is in the hottest of hot seats)
now about nathan i have no problem trading him also because pat is the closer of the future we all know this. so dump his contract and years for a young bat. either outfield or third base.
all in all they will have money to RESIGN justin for long term and all these other young studs before they turn out like santana and hunter. maybe smith will learn from ryans mistakes
“Perhaps this is being done to move Casilla over to SS and obtain Cano and Hughes from the Yankee’s for Santana.”
Bobio, that would be a dream scenario, and let me dream about how great that would be. Casilla goes back to his former position, and the Twins get equal talent back for Santana (plus salary felexibility).
Cano probably won’t happen, but dealing Garza makes *a lot* more sense if the Twins are acquiring Phil Hughes. A rotation of Hughes, Liriano, Garza, Slowey, Baker etc. would be too young.
I’m not too high on Melky Cabrera.
They are probably thinking Harris can play at third.
[…] Re: Rays Trade Rumors The latest rumor is: To TB: SP Matt Garza, SS Jason Bartlett, RP Juan Rincon To MIN: OF Delmon Young, SS Brendan Harris, OF Jason Pridie Twins Insider
I wonder where Nathan goes. It would be obvious to trade him for a 3b and young power arms to restock the bullpen. Who fits that mold and needs a closer? Post your suggestions it would be interesting trade fodder.
Alright, when do you think this trade will be complete? Tonight? Tomorrow sometime? I am guessing late tonight or tomorrow…. I like the idea of Rowand in CF, he wouldnt be a bad pickup…. Plus he or if we acquired Crisp would still be better than trying to fast pace Span into the CF position when clearly he is not ready to have that job yet
This is a good trade. I just won’t look that way til the dust settles with the other trades. Young is just as highly touted a prospect as some ‘experts’ are expecting us only to get one of in a Santana trade. He definitely fills a hole in the lineup.
THE TWINS NEED TO BALANCE THEIR ORGANIZATION.
Really??!! Way to get the inside scoop!!
D.C. I realize that it’s a fashion statement, but their is not night time in the dome. It doesn’t hold up. The sunglasses might actually be practical with the glare coming from those horrible lights. Being practical is the last thing on Corey Hart’s mind.
Brewers’ll take a closer…they’re very afraid of they’re so called late-inning relievers (Anyone ever seen someone implode more often and more spectacularly than Mr. Derrick Turnbow?)
jb,
You sound like those yankee and red sox fans that want to get Santana for second and third-tier players like Coco Crisp or Kei Igawa. Delmon Young is a great hitting prospect. He was better in his Major League time last year than Garza.
I questioned it at first too, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked the deal. They can plug in other young pitchers. They have nobody even close to Young’s talent as a hitter in the system… and to get a guy with the potential of Pridie as well… I think the Twins really made out pretty well in this deal.
i’m still hearing rumors that crisp could be a twins early as saterday is anybody hearing that
i really don’t see why most people think we can’t get reyes for santana. the mets HAVE no ace. there pitching staff is terrible and remember pitching is also more important in the national league.
also reyes has like 4 years left on his decent sized contract.. perfect for the twins
Mauer is the greatest thing to happen to basball since the introduction of the hotdog!!! Trading him would be like getting rid of the dome dog!!!!
Brewers Not Likely To Acquire Nathan, Herges
Tom Haudricourt spoke to Brewers GM Doug Melvin recently to learn more about possible relief acquisitions.
Acquiring Joe Nathan or Chad Cordero is highly unlikely, because the Brewers don’t want to create holes at other positions.
The Crew has an offer out to one free agent reliever but it’s not Matt Herges. That conflicts with a report from Haudricourt from November 14th. Herges must be considering a Mystery Team along with the Rockies.
Haudricourt speculates that the offer might be out to David Riske, who I imagine wants at least three years and $12MM.
Andrew -
The Mets were right in the middle of NL pitching stats last season and 12th in all of MLB. Personally, I don’t think the Mets are in (Omar hearts Reyes)
I like this deal……..I think Garza is already a headcase;trade him.(Slower is the man) Although I would have liked to see Justin Upton in the deal……i will settle with Delmon Young who swings a big stick
I could maybe going to the cubs for Ronny Cedeno and Felix Pie. That might make sense.
Garza will not do well for a stinker team like TB. He will quickly lose any confidence he picked up in his starts for the Twins. Luckily, he only has to play a couple of years in Tampa before they trade him.
BJ Upton is the Tampa player, not Justin.
Anyway, I guess I’ll take a #1 pick for a #25 pick. I’d love a Santana/Liriano/Garza 1-2-3 rotation, but you do what you gotta do.
andrew, and Santana can HIT. He’d be a good fit for a NL team like the Mets.
I should add that I don’t like the Bartlett deal though. Harris is a journeyman utility–and doesn’t have Bartlett’s range on defense.
char… they lost glavine and pedro sucks whos there ace?? perez? give me a break they need pitching
then after perez name there other pitchers that can actually do a decent job and kill innings so they don’t blow out there bullpen
lol ya lets see santana get a triple every time hes batting
Harris is better suited for 2b but his deffense is about the same as Bartlett’s
minus some range. The upside is he hits equal to or better than bartlett.
bartlett makes just stupid errors on defense though.
and how would met fans take it if there team lost out on the santana sweepstakes to there cross town rivals??? i believe there would be some pretty angry fans there in NY
Our team is so pathetic that people are crying over losing Bartlett. What’d he have, 3 home runs last year? I don’t recall him saving too many games with his “range” at short either. He is decent, but certainly not that special, and certainly not worth blowing a trade up over. I’m tired of being down by 2 runs and knowing we have to string together 5 singles to catch up!
I would focus trying to pitch Santana to the Dodgers. A. He wouldn’t have to face us except in the 2012 WS and he would be so much better in NL. Remember how impressive he was with hit bat in interleague? And with the Glove? I would totally use that to my advantage, plus fan feedback would definitely be more tame than if he ends up in NY/Bos. Trade him for Kemp and Larouche and go with Liriano, Baker, Slowey, Boof and Blackburn in the rotation and let them learn. Then get a good middle infield prospect for Nathan.
I agree Tony. Quit crying about losing Bartlett. He is sooooooooooooooooo replaceable. The trade is basically Garza for Young. Plus we get to get rid of Rincon for the pleasure of getting another look at Pridie. Even trade. Good job Billy Smith.
Tedge, this is for you because you made me laugh earlier about Corey Hart and his sunglasses. Thanks for making my day.
I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
Watch you weave
Then breathe your story lines
And I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
Keep track of the visions in my eyes
While she’s deceiving me
It cuts my security
Has she got control of me
I turn to her and say
Don’t switch the blade
On the guy in shades, oh-no
Don’t masquerade
With the guy in shades, oh-no
I can’t believe it
‘Cause you got it made
With the guy in shades, oh-no
And I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
Forget my name while you collect your claim
And I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can, so I can
See the light that’s right before my eyes
While she’s deceiving me
She cuts my security
Has she got control of me
I turn to her and say
Don’t switch the blade
On the guy in shades, oh-no
Don’t masquerade
With the guy in shades, oh-no
I can’t believe it
Don’t be afraid
Of the guy in shades, oh-no
It kinda scared you
‘Cause you got it made
With the guy in shades, oh-no
Oh, I say I wear my sunglasses at night
I wear my sunglasses at night
I wear my sunglasses at night
I say it to you now
I wear my sunglasses at night
I wear my sunglasses at night
I wear my sunglasses at night
I cry to you
I wear my sunglasses at night
I wear my sunglasses at night
Mulvi, when we trade Santana we get pitchers back too. The only actual good pitcher on your projected rotation is Liriano. All the rest are just league average number threes or worse. They MUST get a top guy like Hughes or Kershaw or Bucholtz in the trade. Very important with Garza now gone.
“Harris is better suited for 2b but his deffense is about the same as Bartlett’s
minus some range.”
Quote of the day!
Bill Smith’s plan has four parts. I can already see it.
1. Trade Garza for Delmon Young. Gives us a potential impact bat while dealing from a surplus.
2. Trade Santana. We get a CF (Ellsbury, Cabrera, etc.) and a potential #1 (Hughes, Buckholtz, etc.) plus younger guys with potential.
3. Trade Nathan for a 3b, or 2b like Rickie Weeks plus young, power arms to restock the pitching staff.
4. Use all of the money that he just saved to help the Twins be more competitive in 2008. Plus pay for raises for all of the arbitration eligibles.
I like this. It feels like he has a plan. Whereas, Terry Ryan was just trying to hold on.
Bartlett Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great trade for the twins if it gets done…..as much as I dont want to see santana leave i know its necessary..we should get all of these good young prospects and see how they develop around mauer, morneau, cuddy, liriano, and slowey. TWINS TERRITORY baby!
Dan that means he will make some errors,
I do not recall Bartlett making anyone forget Ozzie Smith with his glove. Harris had 11 errors at short and 1 error at 2b. hit hit for a higher average and hit 12HR so we would lose nothing by losing Bartlett. Worst case we have Nick (I can’t even bunt) Punto play ss where a team can live with his slick glove/no hit.
New post on SI.com by Jon Heyman.
Ellsbury package may land Santana
Sounds like more of the same specualtion. Basically says Ellsbury and Lester is what the Twins would be willing to take. I bet they would get some guys thrown in that we have never heard of. Twins tend to do well with those kind of guys.
I don’t really like Ellsbury all that much. Just a decent hitter with some speed. He’s better than Melky Cabrera, but I like Phillip Hughes a lot more than Lester. Just a preference based on stuff that I read.
What does everyone think? Bucholz or Lester. I’d prefer Bucholz.
Bucholtz
By the way, myself included, it’s spelled Buchholz
I’m wondering if this trade goes through,the Twins would put Young in right field and move Cuddyer back to 3rd base to fill that hole. I know Cuddyer wasn’t comfortable with that position, but maybe he is willing to play there again. Then instead of finding a third baseman, they will concentrate on a CF, maybe Cameron (with Tyner and Pirdie platooning until Cameron is done with suspension)
Any thoughts?
This deal sucks…
Harris and Pridie suck. Theo only players I’d take is Young, and Garza and Bartlett is way to much for that. Plus, throwing in Rincon when we can get something else for him?
They better get BJ as well…
I would love to be a fly on the wall for the winter meetings coming up next week. Billy Smith is going to be a popular guy.
TRADE EVERYONE GOOD!!!!
It’s like a garage sale on Summit Avenue
Sorry, didn’t want to read through ALL 525?! posts. But why the Twin’s dissatisfaction with Garza? Doesn’t he have great stuff? Is it a 10 cent head? They must really be banking on Liriano coming back. (I see him coming back, but nowhere near as dominating) Because when I look at this rotation without Santana or Garza I don’t see that “slump buster” for when a major league team needs to pitch a 1 or 2 run game. Who’s the ace? Are they looking to Blackburn?
I’d rather have Buchholz as well. I’d do it for Ellsbury and Buchholz plus a couple of throw in guys.
Is Kubel the odd man out in that OF? Young,Ellsbury and Cuddyer with Kubel as the DH? I’d take that!!
IF: Morneau, Casilla, Harris, Buscher?
To everyone responding to jb’s negative comments:
I don’t think they’re so much interested in actually contributing to the discussion as they are trolling and trying to get people to visit their website. IGNORE!
Pridie and/or Harris are as good as Bartlett. You just don’t know who they are. Rincon is done being dominant, too.
I don’t think the Twins gave up on Garza, but they’re trading a surplus to fill a need. Something they should have done a long time ago.
Garza and Young are widely known as essentially the same level of talent at the same place in their development, just different positions.
Well said KB
TwinsTerritory,
Rincon by himself was not going to get the Twins much after kast season and Harris is about the same as Bartlett, neither one is a stud this trade is all about Young who will be a stud and this team is in need of hitters.
I think Morneau is the only for sure in the infield. I would love to see Casilla and Buscher our there though. Casilla is an electric player who if you blink you may miss something. If I was the Twins I would not do the deal without Ellsbury…either buchholz or lester are fine with me.
should say last season
Also, in response to the post about the lack of an ace. Liriano is supposed to turn into one. So is whatever pitcher we get for Santana. It may not be next year. But it should be there. Don’t worry about that. The Twins have at least two more trades coming. Plus money to spend. It’s pointless to project who’s playing where right now, because there is plenty more to come.
Go Billy Smith. Do you thing. At least you won’t be accused of doing nothing.
Don’t look now, but Alexi Casilla is peeping at you through your living room window. Zoom. He just vanished.
Ellsbury is a must, they better not compromise and take Coco in ANY deal.
Anyone having more fun than in previous off-seasons? I am.
This a good move for the Twins. Young is only 22 years old and could become a super star. You gotta start somewhere.
I know Rincon wasn’t going to get us a lot, but I think he could get us something, and seems like an add-in in this deal.
The one thing I will say, is that if they are trading Bartlett to open a spot and move Casilla to SS, and getting ready for Cano at second, I’ll be happy with that.
But why the Twin’s dissatisfaction with Garza? Doesn’t he have great stuff?
No dissatisfaction. They just know they have to give him up if they want to build their offense.
yeah no coco crisp…..but i have a bad feeling they might settle with him:(
Rincon was a salary dump.
KB says:
November 28th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Anyone having more fun than in previous off-seasons? I am.
KB- as much as i am saddend by the thought of loosing the best pitcher in baseball this offseason is starting to get really interesting……..its awesome!
Trade on hold…
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=226718
Question of Rincon’s health.
Well, I understand the value of Garza to get Young. But obviously Smith doesn’t value Garza as much as Ryan as Ryan protected Garza when the Nationals wanted him in the package to get Soriano. He was supposed to be “the next big thing” when he was in the minors. Just wondering what happened. It has to be more than just “trade value to get value”. Guess I’m just too cynical and believe there’s more to Garza being traded than that.
Rincon may be missed more than either of the other two. Garza has yet to show he can adjust to major league hitting. And Bartlett is not that young.
I think this says the Twins think Plouffe is very close to ready. Gardy has three guys that can play there in Punto, Harris and Casilla if Plouffe needs more time.
I think Young splits time with Kubel between DH and LF. I don’t think Pridie is ready to take over in CF but he is another candidate for the future along with Span. More likely he’s a fourth outfielder who takes Tyner’s spot at some point.
That is assuming the deal goes down as rumored.
“Don’t look now, but Alexi Casilla is peeping at you through your living room window. Zoom. He just vanished.”
That just creeped the hell out of me.
True story.
wow. there are a lot of people with tremendously short memories in here. don’t forget that the same lineup that struggled some in 2007 was very effective in 2006. teams, like players, streak. i’d hate to see smith overreact and give up on a bunch of promising players just to bring in different faces because fans lack patience. i’d miss bartlett. rincon’s run was good but i’ll survive his loss. if you have to trade a garza, or even a santana, just don’t blow-up and rebuild a roster. this isn’t football. let baseball fans have a little continuity. it’s what makes this game better than all the others. baseball teams get back up and try again.
I hope this trade goes through…I think Young is going to be a superstar!
Young splitting time with Kubel? I hope you mean whether Young is playing LF or DH, Young has to be in the line-up everyday.
The Ray’s shouldn’t worry about Rincon’s elbow he will be in Florida and should have no problem getting a little something to fix his elbow.
Didn’t Rincon ruin enough games for us last year? Does he have to ruin our chances of getting Delmon Young as well?
WHY THE HECK WOULD THIS TRADE MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL??
Bartlett is my absolute favorite, as well as Johan. I am sorry but I do not like this new manager. He is not good AT ALL
This trade makes sense Megan along with the Johan deal…….and Gardy had nothing to do with these trades its GM Billy Smith
WHY THE HECK WOULD THIS TRADE MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL??
Bartlett is my absolute favorite, as well as Johan. I am sorry but I do not like this new manager. He is not good AT ALL
Yes, this trade doesn’t make sense at all from the Twins standpoint.
Let’s not bring in an impact bat, along with two other guys that could fill holes on this team.
Being your favorite has nothing to do with this being a good trade or not. Have you heard of Brendan Harris. Maybe he is even more likeable the Bartlett. Quit being stupid.
I like Bartlett too, but he’s been frustrating to me. Brendan Harris is an upgrade. I feel like alot of people over-value what we have.
If the Twins sign Rowand, their only hole is at 3B. Of course, you can add the entire rotation as a hole if they trade Santana and don’t sign Silva. Since we aren’t hearing a lot about Silva, it would seem he is gone.
Brendan IS kind of cute…
speculation…..twins take a flyer on koskie and he becomes “comeback player of the year” nice move mr smith…
now back to trading….next…..
Brendan Harris is an upgrade.
Probably not. He is not really a shortstop from the sounds of things. Punto may be an upgrade, but probably not with the bat. My guess is Plouffe is the guy they are really counting on. He probably won’t be an upgrade immediately either. My guess is Bartlett is part of the price for Young.
Well I am sorry. I know Delmon Young is great, but why are we trading away all of our pitchers? Garza, Rincon, Santana, Nathan…I mean come on. And there was really no need to call me stupid. I just really hate seeing all these great guys go. Soon it will be Morneau, Cuddyer, Mauer, they see what happens with Torii and Johan. What will we have left? Its frustrating as a fan. I thought Bartlett was our “shortstop of the future”?????
brendan harris is a known utility player ….not a frontliner…bartlett was given to sweeten the deal….
Soon it will be Morneau, Cuddyer, Mauer, they see what happens with Torii and Johan. What will we have left? Its frustrating as a fan. I thought Bartlett was our “shortstop of the future”?????
Why is it that no matter what the Twins do…it’s a sign that they’re cheap and will never keep anybody or do anything to fix this team?
You’d think the sky would’ve hit by now with how long it’s been falling.
Megan, you have to look at what future deals (and there will be deals) before you say this is a bad deal. I think Mr. Smith has a good grasp on what he is doing. We will have a bunch of young players that will be signable and he will not make the mistakes that TR made with Hunter and Santana. Lets see how this all unfolds inthe next couple of weeks, and you are not stupid you are a fan.
Don’t look now, but Alexi Casilla is peeping at you through your living room window. Zoom. He just vanished.
Oh come on now. That’s not tr-*snap*
What was that?
no such thing as a “stupid twins fan”
I thought Bartlett was our “shortstop of the future”?????
No. That would be Plouffe. Bartlett was the stopgap. Bartlett was just never that good and he is now 28 years old. He isn’t going to improve.
Can we just give them Dennys Reyes instead of Rincon?
The Twins have not been active in the trade market for so long that it’s bound to be a real downer for those fans who have become attached to particular players. That’s been part of the game, however, forever. It appears the Rays have coveted Bartlett for some time and I’m sure he was critical to getting this deal done.
Frankly, I think this will be good for his career. Gardy clearly had a “thing” about Bartlett from the beginning. Bart’s getting away from a manager who’s never been a big fan of his and going to a team that genuinely wants him.
This assumes, of course, that Rincon and his elbow don’t end up screwing the whole deal. LaVelle… the two sides won’t REALLY let Juan Rincon unravel this deal, will they?
The excitement and possibilities of Bill Smith in the first two months is nearly equal to Terry Ryan for the entirety of his career! I know nothing has happened yet, but I am starting to have Twins fever year round, which is great. Stop hoarding the pitching and get some bats. We’ve got young studs who will develop. The 07 Yankees proved that your starting rotation in the AL can be suspect and you can still win if you have the bats!
This is a good move, no doubt. Some of you speak of Bartlett like he’s Jeter or something….truth is Harris had better numbers last year and they are about the same age. I love the idea of Delmon Young a right handed hitter along with Cuddy to offset the 3 big lefty’s Mauer, Morneau & Kubel. Regardless of the Santana situation this trade would be good news! Mauer, Young, and Morneau really could be awesome! As far as Jose Reyes…..sorry people, but thats a pipe dream. Play Harris at SS and Punto/Cassilla at 2B and for goodness sake lets get a REAL 3B! Should have some Money to spend!
Rincon is way too expensive, and he pretty much was a mop up guy later in the year, and with Crain and Neshek, Rincon is just too expensive to keep around
I like the deal. Move Casilla over to SS, Punto/Harris at 2B, and the players we could get for Santana and Nathan cound be huge.
From Dodgers - Kemp, Kershaw, LaRoche
Mets - Gomez, Reyes, Pelfrey
Yankees - Hughes, Cano, Cabrera, Chamberlian
Red Sox - Crisp, Ellsbury, Lester, Bucholtz
We are obvoiusly not going to get all of these players from each team in a trade but probably could get two of them and a few lower level throw in’s.
And probably get one of them for Nathan - unless he goes to the Brewers - Bill Hall??? Probably too much of a fantasy there……
But I love the Hot Stove League. Can’t wait to see the new team!!!!
A real 3B will have to come via trade, there’s no one out there as a FA. I like the Atkins thoughts, but I don’t see a deal fitting together.
Could Lester be a clubhouse cancer?
Zing!
Deal with the Dodgers for Johan, you’d get a better 3rd piece from an NL team because of Johan’s NL intangibles (glove, bat, etc.)
KB - funny stuff!!!! Club house Cancer!!!! LOL!!!!!
That wasn’t me.
3b FA Feliz?
Or how about Crisp for another pitching prospect - Blackburn? Red Sox are rumored to favor young pitching for Crisp. Then we could address ML ready pitching and 3B with Johan.
Ruesse indicated that Johan only wants to play in NY or Boston…….
NO CRISP!!! I don’t think I can say that enough. I wouldn’t trade Gardy’s son for Crisp.
They havent shown interest in Feliz, it could be a good fit though
Anyone know who Howie Clark is? Signed to a minor league contract by the Twins. Guess he was with Toronto, 3B I believe.
His numbers looked bad I think…
I’m just getting back online…is this trade still “on?”
I’ve heard it’s not quite “official” yet.
why is everyone so worried about losing rincon and bartlett. I dont care if they are cute or your favorite. Look at what we lost last week(Hunter) and he was my favorite and is going to be a big loss for twins. Personally I think we need to get what we can and the Young trade seems good and an upgrade. I think we should listen to santana trades too. We dont want to sign one pitcher to that much money. Yeah he is Great but really think about it, does 20 million a yr do any good if he is hurt like liarano was this year. Really think about it you pay A-rod, santana or any baseball player I would rather have a lot of good average paid players who PLAY together and want to win and not the money.
Young could be a superstar. Time to revisit the Johan for Kemp/Laroushe/Kershaw or Baroxton or Billingsly. An outfielder of Kemp/Young and Cutty with Laroushe at
3b ane Kuebel at DH. We can’t necessar-
ily expect fair trade value for Johan but don’t forget we are also dumping
30% of our budget. That always has to be factored into any possible trade. If Silva were to take 7 or 8 mill, it
might be worth the risk to resign him.
It has been put on “hold” due to concerns about Rincon’s elbow according to RotoWorld.com
Ah, the inevitable “hold up.”
Steelheads 5 seasons of young > half a season of Soriano.
To be honest, I didn’t know Rincon had an elbow problem, I know he had other, ahem, problems in the past…
Here’s the “article”…
The six-player Delmon Young trade has yet to go through because of concerns regarding medical reports on Juan Rincon’s elbow, according to CBS Sportsline.
The Rays are supposed to receive Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett and Rincon from Minnesota for Young, Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie. Neither team should be willing to let this fall apart because of Rincon. His WHIP has gone from 1.02 to 1.21 to 1.35 to 1.56 the last four years, while his strikeout rate has plummeted in the other direction. The Rays are getting the same haul here whether he’s in the deal or not. Nov. 28 - 7:37 pm et
if they dont want rincon the twins can easily throw in some one else. the rays want garza and bartlett and the twins want young.
I was going to say, how can Rincon be a dealbreaker?
The Santana to the Dodgers for Kemp/LaRouche plus a couple others would be great, but I’ve heard the Dodgers aren’t that interested in giving them up and if they did, it would be for Miguel Cabrera instead.
Im fond of trading Johan to the Red Sox or Yankees. Look at our last trade with the Yankees.
But of those two I would rather go with the Sox, I think John Lester would be a great 3rd starter behind Liriano and Slowey in the future, plus he has pitched in big games so he knows how it goes.
Give ‘em Cali and DePaula.
I like this deal. The one puzzling piece to me is Juan Rincon. It’s true he didn’t have the greatest season, but the Twins are starting to get thin in the bullpen. The bullpen has been what’s kept them competitive the last few seasons. It’s wishful thinking to believe Crain will be back 100% by April and they can’t afford to keep Nathan. You can’t pitch Pat Neshak every single day.
Just got word from an agent that the deal is done.
Can Brendan Harris play 3B? He’s 6′1″, 200 lbs.
Are you yanking our chains, Maxbats?
He doesn’t have power at thirdbase, but that hasnt stopped the twins befor.I would rather see him at shortstop, unless they move Casilla back, but I dont think they have talked about that at all
yeah I just talked with bill smith it is done
Apparently, the Twins are not trading Rincon because they might want to use him instead of Neshek to replace Nathan as the closer.
http://www.twincities.com/walters
Another solid piece of reporting by Walters.
I trust MaxBat, he’s plugged in.
I’m sure you don’t remember me, but I played amature baseball on your team for 1 year about 5 years ago. I played horrible…..
Just got a text message from Jon Pridie. He’s Jason’s brother and agent.
Harriss hit 12 dingers in 137 games. That was 11 more than Punto. If they can’t land a bona fide third baseman, at least they have the opportunity of using him there. Nathan and Silva were both long relievers when the Twins went out and got them for other specific purposes.
Maybe it’s just me, but I think I am going to wait until the Pohlad family is no longer affiliated with the Twins before I watch them again.
So Pridie is a power,speed type player? Fill me in guys I´m in mexico and I need my twins fix )( :
Nice.
Even if you feel this is a bad trade for the Twins (which I don’t), it wasn’t about money at all (unless you’re torn up about Rincon leaving), so there’s no need for any “Pohlad-is-a-greedy-cheapskate” rants right now.
god we have some real tools in here..
one guy says he wont watch the twins..
half of em are saying they talked to bill smith or an agent..
haha wow
People will always throw those in.
Take a look at what a good chunk of major-leaguers are using as bats…..MaxBats…..put it together.
any word on why iwamura was not pursued? I like the deal but I am very worried about the bullpen being too thin if they trade Nathan. I assume they figure on a few of these young guys filling in the bullpen this year. Just worries me since that has been such a key component to winning here for so long.
I honestly dont get why we are getting Jason Pridie…we had him already and obviously didnt want him….
Anyone who doesn’t like this deal obviously doesn’t know who Delmon Young is. He was the #1 prospect in America in 2006, and #3 in 2007 (Behind Dice-K and Alex Gordon).
Garza just barely makes my top ten pitching prospects:
1. Clay Bucholz
2. Tim Lincecum
3. Homer Bailey
4. Joba Chamberlain
5. Andrew Miller
6. Phil Hughes
7. Yovani Gallardo
8. Clayton Kershaw
9. Jonathan Papelbon (Prospect in terms of being an SP. Obviously proven as a closer)
10. Garza
We had Pridie and only did not keep him because the Twins did not feel he merited a spot on the 25-man roster; they wanted him as a minor league prospect, but per the rules of the Rule V draft, they had to send him back to the Rays if he didn’t make the 25-man roster.
we wanted him, but as a Rule 5 Draftee, if he isnt on the 25 man roster on the first day of the year, we give him back to his former team. We wanted him, its just that at 22 years of age, he wasnt ready
Megan it is not that we did not want Pridie it is because he did not make the team, if he makes the team, I think he has to say with the Twins the whole season not go to AAA, but I could be wrong about that one. I read something about this the other day and I may have read it incorrectly but that is what I got out of it.
jtown21, Pridie is a switch hitter that has gap power. Hits for average and is a doubles type hitter. Met him a couple of times. Once at TwinsFest in ‘06. Very nice guy, and I know the fans here will like him. Works hard, plays hard.
I guess until it’s reported by Joe or LaVelle, I don’t believe the deal has been consummated.
Any Vegas odds yet on how long it would take Young to assault a Minneapolis traffic cop?
jon..
thats a talented list of pitching..
my only problem is that i think Garza should be up a little higher on it….
especially about bailey and kershaw..
but dang.. those kids can pitch!
Torii who? Nice trade if it’s done. Bringing in someone from outside who everyone knows will contribute immediately always is a positive. Think Shannon Stewart and Chili Davis or Bruno in ‘82.
9. Jonathan Papelbon (Prospect in terms of being an SP. Obviously proven as a closer)
I think the fact he was kept as a closer may testify to how well they think he can start.
Of course, it’s not like Boston is in any hurry to get him into the rotation.
Look at Delmon’s stats against Torii’s last year……obviously Hunter’s are better, but that was Delmon’s 1ST YEAR in the majors. I’ll say he’s replaced.
Any Vegas odds yet on how long it would take Young to assault a Minneapolis traffic cop?
No, but I’ve heard it’s pretty much a guarantee that within two games somebody will be whining about a strikeout he had or something insignificant just because they want to whine.
It has nice balance, too. One player, Young, who is going to be a stud for years to come, one player, Harris, who will fill a hole nicely for a year or two, and one player, Pridie, who will probably start in AAA and has a lot of potential.
By Jon Heyman, SI.com
If the Red Sox relent and include young outfield phenom Jacoby Ellsbury in trade talks for Johan Santana, Boston would probably lead the high-stakes sweepstakes for the two-time Cy Young Award winner. But to this point, the Red Sox have declined to include Ellsbury in a package that centers around young left-handed pitcher Jon Lester.
If they remain firm in their stance to keep Ellsbury, the New York Yankees could be in the best position to land Santana.
Boston remains hopeful that the Minnesota Twins will accept center fielder Coco Crisp as part of a multi-player package. But for now, “the Twins are stuck on Ellsbury,” a league source said.
Honestly this couldn’t be a much more even trade and both teams got what they needed, plus we got to dump some salary with Rincon.
I don’t like this trade at all.
Garza is going to be a stud, Bartlett is a very solid SS, both are cheap.
I love getting rid of Rincon, but with Garza being traded, and us not getting CRAWFORD, LONGORIA, or IMAGURA (japanese 3rd baseman) as a part of the deal.
Slowey, Bonser, Rincon, and Bartlett for Crawford, Harris, and Imagura or however you spell his damn name!
Carl Pohlad’s kids are more insane than the senile old man himself!
This is a terrible trade idea. I’d rather have Upton than Young…
Bill Smith I don’t know what to think, it’s nice to make a move, but a bad move isn’t all that much better than Terry (NO BALLS and 3 strikes) Ryan!
I think what’s most impressive about Young’s stats from last year is that he drove in 93 runs. RBI’s is really the stat that is most important, not HR’s. This lineup needs RBI machines, guys that can produce with runners on base.
BC, have you heard of Delmon Young?
“But for now, ‘the Twins are stuck on Ellsbury,’ a league source said.”
God almighty, whatever…
Yeah Jon, and four of your guys the Twins are looking at.
The more I look at this deal, the more I like it. I like Garza, but Young can replace Hunter, and Pridie looks like a good prospect. Plus, Harris doesn’t seem any worse than Bartlett, and could even be better.
I hope it gets done though…
La Velle, you have anything on it getting held up?
What Twins want for Santana
Posted: Wednesday November 28, 2007 05:12AM ET
The Yankees badly want Johan Santana. Here is a problem: So does just about every other big-market team in the majors. Yet the complications hardly end there. The Yankees have learned in the past 24-48 hours that the initial asking price by the Twins is exorbitant, well beyond just the Phil Hughes/Melky Cabrera level that had been generally anticipated.
The Mets are said by rival executives to badly want Santana, but they have taken Jose Reyes and David Wright off the table and there is serious doubt if they have the wherewithal to make a deal unless the Twins have a particularly high regard for Carlos Gomez and Mike Pelfrey. A young center fielder such as Gomez or Cabrera is a must in this trade as the Twins look to replace Torii Hunter, who recently signed with the Angels.
The Red Sox (Jacoby Ellsbury/Coco Crisp), the Dodgers (Matt Kemp) and the Angels (Reggie Willets) are all expected to vie for Santana, and an NL executive said to watch out for the Cubs (Felix Pie) and perhaps the Mariners (Adam Jones).
New York Post
Dear Complainers,
You hated TR for doing nothing and now I think this off season we are headed towards the opposite end of the spectrum or atleast sending the pendulum towards the middle which is a good thing….be patient
Nathan deal scares me because of a pretty thin bullpen any word on possible suitors and exchanges?
I am on to belize…I will check in tomorrow Go Twins everyone!
Just because you want to get rid of a player (Bonser) doesn’t mean the other team will take him.
“We want Garza.”
“Naw, we want to keep Garza, how ’bout Bonser?”
“OK. What the hell.”
Hit .349 with RISP, .280 with RISP/2 outs.
Jimmy Jam is right…this team desparately needs more run producers.
Delmon Young will be one.
Young will be just as good as Hunter IMO. In his first year, he put up similar RBI numbers to Hunter. I’m not sure about his power potential.
How many LF do they need??? LOL
Just because you want to get rid of a player (Bonser) doesn’t mean the other team will take him.
That’s the fun of fan trade talks. They want to trade a guy because they don’t want him. So naturally he’d be PERFECT for the other team.
Lohse, Romero, and Rincon for example.
I agree about Nathan, I don’t want him dealt right now. Hold on to him, try to work out an extension, then deal him at the deadline if you’re out of it. People get desperate for closers at the deadline.
Pray Boston and the Yankees get in a bidding war for Johan. I mean, which ever lands him has a huge advantage. They hate each other enough to do it. You can even have one team faking the intent to out-bid the other. It’s all good for the Twins. I think that’s the only way we’ll get what Santana is worth.
“But for now, ‘the Twins are stuck on Ellsbury,’ a league source said.”
God almighty, whatever…
It’s good at this point in negotiations to have a set goal. The FA market’s only been open for a few weeks…and meetings aren’t to far away.
The Twins don’t want to rush this. There’s time to work out the right deal, and if enough teams come knocking and the Twins hold fast, it’s likely somebody will finally cave and give them what they want.
It’s like a game of chicken. If the Twins blink right now and show signs that they’re start to consider a Crisp or Cabrera vs. Cano/Ellsbury it shows the other teams that there’s not quite a set price and they could force the Twins to settle or risk losing him to FA anyway.
This is not smart if they are going to trade Santana. Garza is really the only pitcher the Twins have that is young that can really pitch. Slowy throws extremely slow and Bonser was not that great last year.
Baker, Liriano, Blackburn…
People get desperate for closers at the deadline
But you also limit your trade partners to only those who are contending. And contenders are less likely to give up guys who can contribute NOW.
The Twins should accept nothing less that Ellsbury in a Red Sox deal.
Garza is really the only pitcher the Twins have that is young that can really pitch.
Liriano, Baker, Bonser, Slowey, Blackburn, Perkins, potential newcomers from Santana/Nathan trades…
The rotation may not be SOLID for a few years, but it’ll grow with the team. There’s a reason it’s called “reshuffling”
But you also limit your trade partners to only those who are contending. And contenders are less likely to give up guys who can contribute NOW.
True, but with the wild card, most of the teams interested now will still be relatively in it at the deadline. I agree about possibly having to settle for someone a year away.
Slowey throws up to 88 or 89, and greg Greg Maddux is a 300 game winner, and he never threw above 91 or 92, he has won upwards of 30 games the last two years throwing around 84-86, velocity matters very little if you have good stuff, which Slowey definitely does
“Minnesota Twins’ announcement coming shortly amid Matt Garza trade reports”. -twincities.com
Plus, the Yankees and Red Sox are in the same division, and they are really their only competition. They play more series against each other. That maximizes the impact of adding a player that only plays once every five or six days.
Second, they both have the cash to sign Santana long-term.
Third, they both have the cash to trade good young players and prospects because they can always go out and get more on the free agent market.
Fourth, the Yankees really need pitching, more so than Boston, but it’s worth Boston’s while to make sure the Yankees don’t get Santana.
Slowy throws extremely slow and Bonser was not that great last year.
He throws in the 90’s and mixes his speeds. Does he need to throw in the 100’s?
I just don’t get some of these posts sometimes.
Slowey has good control, his “stuff” really isn’t all that special as of yet. He doesn’t have a fastball with much movement, and he just started throwing more offspeed the latter part of the year. He still has plenty of work to do.
This deal makes little sense. Pitching is coveted, yet we’re getting essentially one player for Garza. It makes no sense to trade the young guns without having signed Santana. none whatsoever.
The St. Pete Times is reporting that the deal is done.
You can learn to make pitches move, its alot harder to learn how to hit the catcher’s mit perfectly every pitch
If they make the trade with TB and add Reyes for Santana, you can put PUNTO in CF and Bonser will be 15 game winner. Good offense improves alot of pitchers stats.
in a perfect world:
-TB would take Jesse Crain if Rincon doesn’t pass a physical. Please, will someone take Crain before I have to watch him allow every inherited runner to score and walk away with a deceptively low ERA again?
-people wouldn’t write things like “Delmon Young will be one of the top 5 hitters in baseball!” when no one can know that. c’mon, if you spread Craig Monroe’s ‘07 stats over 645 AB his homers and RBI surpass Young’s and most of us don’t think he even belongs in the everyday lineup. Cuddyer outhit Young in ‘07. We don’t call him top 5. Young looks very promising, but it’s early enough in his career that we don’t know if he’ll develop into A-Rod, Cuddy, or Stahoviak at the plate in 5 years. Let it play out before we anoint him our “2nd best hitter.” Have realistic hopes. That said, I’d be excited to watch him develop.
-Smith (or Ryan) would’ve figured a way to keep either Torii or Johan and fill holes by trading the other.
-Nick Punto would hit .250
-We’d identify and acquire a proven 3rd baseman and a couple good prospects for Santana while watching Bartlett, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, and Kubel mature into a winning nucleus.
-Center field wouldn’t look so empty and lonely when I imagine 2008.
-The average fan would acknowledge that the “blinders” that kept Terry Ryan from ever getting good hitters on this club actually gave us a batting champ, MVP, 5 guys who .300, Cuddyer’s 109 RBI-Yeah, I know, that was ‘06, but he brought them all back with what looked like an even better pitching staff. Didn’t work in ‘07, but the plan looked great on paper. That’s baseball. If you don’t like it, watch the Yankees (or just watch the all-star game).
-Jason Tyner would get a chance to hit .300 in a lineup that isn’t desperate for power. Wish that was here.
P.S. I’m okay with giving up a strong commodity or two but Santana’s price will be so high, that he has to be the key trade. Bartlett has convinced me that he can be a solid fixture that carries you when he’s at his best, doesn’t hurt you much at his worst, and wouldn’t outprice himself quickly. Seemed like a nice piece to fit alongside a real 3rd basemen.
And oh yeah- everytime a team falls short, you’re going to say,”They should’ve added one more bat.” or “One more arm.” It’s baseball, make a plan, let ‘em play, there’s nine more innings tomorrow. Just don’t approach it like football. Overzealous fans are hurting the sport I love.
I like this Garza trade, but we do NOT have to trade Santana, The only reason we would have to is because Pohlad is the reincarnation of Ebenezeer Scrooge, in fact, lets call him Ebeneezer Pohlad. Holding on miserly to his pennies after soaking taxpayers for a stadium.
I would favor a Santana trade ONLY if they got top value for him, players that we know other teams wont give (Reyes, Wright, guys like that)
So since we wont get those kind of players, Ebeneezer Pohlad, do something kind for a change before you die. Do you want to be remembered as Scrooge in your dying years, and the miserly old shrew who tricked the taxpayers into getting you a stadium, when you ahve no intention of fielding a competitive team, and keeping our home grown stars?
Spring some money and sign Santana so he goes into Cooperstown with a Twins cap on
reed:
the devil rays are questionable about rincon due to elbow problems…
crain was out the majority of last year…
hmmm
Mr. Reality, or should I say “Mr. Shortsighted”?
This deal makes no sense? We’re getting a right handed threat at the plate in the middle of the lineup who drove in 93 runs last year.
I guess the Twins don’t need that. You’re right. Stupid deal.
It stands to be a pretty good deal. Juan Rincon is garbage and always has been. It’s a wonder that Tampa Bay wants him. In 2004 I distinctly recall an outing against Tampa Bay in which Rincon walked the bases full and then gave up a grand slam; leaving the game after 4 batters and 4 runs.
Harris appears to be every bit as good as Bartlett with quite a bit more potential. Bartlett has likely peaked as a major league player.
Losing Garza is tough, but like LaVelle says, they should get good returns for Santana and/or Nathan.
Harris doesn’t have the range that Bartlett has, but also doesn’t make as many errors on routine plays like Barlett had a tendency to do in 07.
Young can play any OF spot, should replace Torii’s offensive numbers, and has a far better arm than Hunter.
As a Twins fan who has lived in FL since the Rays were an expansion team, I can say that - while this isn’t on par with Pyrzinski for Nathan, Liriano & Bonser, it should work out well for the Twins. The key will be what happens if/when the Santana trade is complete.
LaVelle just posted that the deal is official.
Cant you see lonely old Ebeneezer Pohlad in his counting house, despatching his stooges David St. Peter, Jerry Bell, and Bob Smith out to do his dirty bidding. Build me a stadium, he says with his crackling voice. Tell them I will bring them a team, but then we will fool them,the poor little suckers. Meanwhile, poor old Ebeneezer Scrooge takes his bony claw like fingers and recounts the pennies he is saving by getting rid of Castillo, Hunter, Santana, he laughs with a cackle
litle does he know the ghost of baseball past, present, and future will visit him that night, his poor decrepit 90 plus year old body trembling
…. more to come, stay tuned for next installment during this holiday season
I guess Juan Rincon “has always been garage” if you’ve never heard of baseball before 2006.
I remember when he was “the next Santana” and we were all crying for him to be moved into the starting rotation.
Rincon was one of the top three set-up men in baseball for a year or too.
It’s a done deal I guess.
Juan Rincon was not included in the deal after all.
The Twins trade Garza, Bartlett, and Morlan for Young, Harris, and Pridie.
WOW. What’s next for Rincon?
It’s official
Wednesday, November 28th, 2007
The Twins and Tampa Bay Rays on Wednesday night have completed a trade that brings young hitting prospect Delmon Young to the Twin Cities.
The Twins have sent righthander Matt Garza, shortstop Jason Bartlett and minor league righthander Eduardo Morlan for Young, infielder Brendan Harris and outfield prospect Jason Pridie.
More details to come…
i think this deal could be oky, if it is part of another deal. maybe they are dealing bartlett to make anoth move. they will not have punto at ss in 08. if they do, i will have season tickets to sell. i have come to terms with the fact that johan is gone. however, if they get nothing like hunter after the season i will be disappointed.
joe c. mentioned reyes in a deal with the mets in a dream deal. is it possible that santana is worth that and miledge. maybe they will package santana and nathan.
why morlan??? why not cali???
too bad if rinncon is still here. i think his best days are behind him. i am curious ifthe twins planned to lose hunter, why wouldn’t they have tried to deal nathan for bourn when he was dealt from philly to houston. he would have been a great fit in cf.
Jon– Morlan looks a lot better than Cali– 99 So in 70 IP last year. I am sure the Rays knew we had Cali -but passed!
Twins want Harris to play 3B. TB needed a SS in return. Twins will make a trade for Robinson Cano and move Casilla to SS.
Apparently half the people on this blog aren’t aware that you have to have a willing team to trade with, you can’t just dump the guys you don’t want. Somehow it’s not understood that you have to give up something semi-decent to get something decent. Even if this team wins the same amount of games next year, at least we’ll be watching some 8-6 ballgames rather than losing 3-1. I’m sick and tired of being 3 runs behind and hoping for 5 straight singles to ties the game. As for Bartlett, I must have missed the memo that said he was the next Cal Ripken or A-Rod. Guys like that are a dime a dozen.
As Ebeneezer Pohlad tosses his frail body back and forth, with visions of penny counting in hisi dreams, he hears rattling chains,, yes, the ghost of Baseball past
he sees himself as a optimistic young boy in Iowa, listening to Iowa Oaks teams on the radio, announced by some sportcaster named Ronald Reagan. Oh, what a happy time it was for young Ebeneezer Pohlad, listening to baseball, yet at the same time, spotting on the depressed Iowa prairie, farmers who could not afford their homesteads,,, certainly this represents an opportunity for personal gain,he thinks
Then he sees young Eloise, what a pretty little tart, how Ebeneezer Pohlad longs for those days, listening to baseball, and making money, but suddenly, he is awake and alone again, in his Interlachen Country Club manor, afraid and trembling, what will the ghost of baseball present bring?
Whatever.
Truth is, Santana doesn’t come across as a guy who wants to be here, he gives up way too many home runs, so we may as well see what we can get for him. No matter how good he could be, if he’s down on the team, he’ll bring everyone else down, too.
Move Cuddyer back to third? What are people thinking? He’s got the best arm of any right fielder in the majors.
of course Santana doesnt want to here when Ebeneezer Pohlad shows no signs of wanting to win. Who would?
But if Ebeneezer freed up some of his,,,er, I mean the pennies provided by Hennepin County, he could sign Pohlad and get some support for him.
And we wouldn’t have to hear Santana wonder aloud whether his teammates want to win as much as he does, or that the team that (except for last year) steadily improved its record isn’t committed to winning. I’m with you Iggy. Wonder WHY his teammates never seemed to score any runs for him? Everybody was too uptight when he pitched.
espn reports that the trade is complete..
yet the twins kept rincon and traded away eduardo morlan
welcome to SOTA mr Young!
If the Twins sign Rowand I will go to the doctor and finally get that stress tess because I wouldn’t believe the Twins would be that smart.
Rowand is a much better deal than Torii Hunter. Rowand has slightly more power, a much better hitter, and is a very solid CF.
That would lead to the perfect trade with the Dodgers for LaRoche, Abreu, and Kershaw.
2B Abreu
CA Mauer
LF Young
1b Morneau
CF Rowand
RF Cuddyer
3b LaRoche
DH Kubel
SS Harris
Liriano
Baker
Kershaw
Benson (Free Agent)
Slowey/Ole Chubby Boof
(still would look better as Garza, Liriano, Kershaw, Baker, Benson
Trading Ole Chubby and Slowey instead of Garza.
with the ghost of baseball present at his side, Ebeneezer Pohlad visits holiday parties around Hennepin County, people who were tricked into buying a stadium for Ebeneezer Pohlad. They talk about Ebeneezer with disgust. I hope he is having a miserable holiday time they say,, but then, some in the gathering stick up for him,,, you have to understand the economics of baseball they say, Pohald has done so much for us,,, then Ebeneezer seeing young boys crying when they ehar their favorite pitcher will be traded to another team, since Ebeneezer, though the richest in baseball before suckering Hennepin County residents, would not pay Santana,,,I guess we will never have a winning team, the young boys moan,,,, Ebeneezer gulps, is it true spirit? is it true what people say about me? certainly it cannot be? I bought the Twins, and bourght them two world ssries with players left over from Calvin,,,the spirit only nods,, yes Ebeneezer, yes, it is true, you are regarded with disgust, for what you ahve done to baseball in this community
November 28, 2007
Rays deal Delmon to Twins
The Rays completed a six-player deal late Wednesday to send AL Rookie of the Year runner-up Delmon Young to the Minnesota Twins in exchange for RHP Matt Garza, SS Jason Bartlett and a minor-leaguer.
The Rays also gave up INF Brendan Harris and minor-league OF Jason Pridie.
The Rays get Garza, who will go right into their rotation, and Bartlett, who becomes their starting shortstop. They also get minor-league RHP Eduardo Morlan, a 21-year-old who was 5-3 with 18 saves and a 3.10 ERA with Class A Fort Myers and Double-A New Britain. He struck out 99 in 69 2/3 innings.
“It’s a business decision, and it helps out both teams,” Young said. “We had too many outfielders and one of them had to go.”
Young said he was “excited” to to join the Twins and would “go over there and help out their club with 100 percent effort.”
He said he was not surprised the Rays would trade him because “you always know if there’s an offer they can’t resist they’re going to pull the trigger.”
The Rays were in serious discussions throughout the day and earlier seemed poised to get veteran reliever Juan Rincon, but concerns surfaced about his elbow, and Morlan was substituted in the deal.
“I haven’t heard anything,” Young said when reached on his cell phone mid-evening Wednesday. “Just gimme a call when something gets done or not done.”
The key pieces to the deal is Bartlett, who would step into the team’s starting shortstop role, and Garza, a talented 24-year-old right hander who likely would become the Rays’ No. 3 starter.
dang.. looks like im a day late and a dollar short..
story of my life i tell ya!
Kevin, you should log in under a diffent name. I’m breezing right past you, son.
That’s dissapointing. I wonder if the Twins kept Rincon because of the Rays’ injury concerns or if the Rays insisted on something more than Juan.
KB, of course I’d heard of Young. I just think that Crawford is on the verge of being one of the biggest offensive stars in the game, and I think Upton could be a GOD. Young isn’t bad, but I think if we are trading away our best young pitcher I would want one of the other two more. Sorry for having an opinion dude.
Mike, where did you hear the deal is finalized?
with the ghost of baseball present at his side, Ebeneezer Pohlad visits holiday parties around Hennepin County…
And so forth and so on into etcetera. Do you ever bore of hearing yourself talk?
You’re against the stadium, we get it. But to come in with every piece of news and somehow turn it back into the stadium somehow it getting tiring and preventing what’s otherwise been an intereting and informative discussion from progressing anywhere.
They could sign Rowand, trade for Atkins, and bring in Cano to fill 2B and you’d still come in here and whine. Probably something like how Pohlad will now have to increase ticket sales because he’s such a cheap loon.
At this point, Kevin, nothing you say has anything to do with economics, or baseball, or even the stadium. You have what they’d call a “vendetta” against Pohlad at this point. He ticked you off with the stadium and there’s nothing he can do to right it in your mind short of writing everybody in Hennepin County a check for that fraction of cent he’s taking out of every dollar you spend.
I’m sorry, I usually try to seperate that argument from the person…but after wading through that last piece of dredge you called a post, I can’t help it.
You’re a moron with a grudge that has nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with what you percieve as some kind of personal attack against your well-being…as if you are the only person in not only Hennepin County, but the world who’s ever been taxed for something they didn’t want.
Why did Juan have to screw this up? I felt much better about the trade when him and his salary was being sent to Tampa.
o.k. mike, nevermind, I found it on ESPN… Its posted on ESPN now the deal is done!
KB, of course I’d heard of Young. I just think that Crawford is on the verge of being one of the biggest offensive stars in the game, and I think Upton could be a GOD.
Which is why it’s less likely they’d work with the Twins in their current state. The Rays will want a LOT more than the Twins would be willing to offer while they’re trying to get things lined up for the new stadium.
Delmon Young is not quite proven, but he fits in well. He’s young, which means the Twins still have some time to prepare for when he’ll be due a larger contract. Right now they have to focus on keeping the guys like Morneau and Cuddyer under wraps because I think they hit arbitration and free agency sooner than Young.
Kevin- go cry in someone else’s poridge.
I’ve set my browser to delete anything starting with “ebeneezer” or “scrooge”. This blog becomes much smaller and better that way.
Its posted on ESPN now the deal is done!
Intersting note:
The Twins also are sending shortstop Jason Bartlett and minor league right-hander Eduardo Morlan to the Rays for shortstop Brendan Harris and outfield prospect Jason Pridie.
Looks like they found a way to get by the Rincon hitch. I wonder if these means they had their sights on Pridie all along as opposed to the Rays wanting Rincon.
With TB’s history, I will just assume the Twins got the better deal. But, it does make me wonder why the SS exchange. I think is is pretty even trade, so why even bother with it? Bartlett is two years older than Harris. I guess the Twins got a little more power and the Rays got a little more speed.
I don’t think the wheeling and dealing is done yet, there will be a new look Twins come 2008. My guess is they will get younger, Santana gone next, then Nathan? I hate to see Bartlett go, thought he was a decent player. I think the Twins will get some other new starting pitcher(s) from? Should get interesting in the next few weeks, the 2008 roster may be nearly set by then!
I’ve set my browser to delete anything starting with “ebeneezer” or “scrooge”. This blog becomes much smaller and better that way.
Might as well add “Carl” “Pohald” or any combination thereof to that list. I’d say 99% of comments including his name usually are worth skipping.
Let’s rejoice!! We did receive the runner up to rookie of the year for crying out loud. Oh, that’s right, he’s not proven yet. Well, with 13 HR’s and 93 RBI last year, I guess about 22 other guys on our roster aren’t proven yet either.
But, it does make me wonder why the SS exchange.
From the sounds of things the Rays were reluctant to trade Young straight up for Garza. They apparently have been high on Bartlett for a while, so the Twins offered him and of course demanded something in return.
It does seem rather funny, but if you look at it as trading Young for Garza it makes more sense.
T-
I understand where you are coming from, but I can’t see how they could trade GARZA for him… why couldn’t we have found 2-3 of our other prospect pitchers? I just really like Garza, and I think that he’s a 17-20 game winner maybe as soon as this season.
But hopefully the Twins can rape someone with Santana, and can get something decent for Nathan.
I wonder what we could get if we packaged the two together?
I’m also confused on the SS switch. Harris is younger, bigger, stronger, hits for more power, and had a better fielding percentage last year than Barlett. I haven’t seen him play so I’m not sure on range, and I don’t know what kind of teammate he was, but I like what I see in the numbers. Sometimes, guys just need a change of teams.
Twins instantly got alot more offense than we had yesterday (but about the same as we had a week ago, before Torii left). At least you can give Young a five-year deal and he will actually have a shot at playing all of it.
But, it’s a great trade if only because it is a shot-in-the arm. New talent, new blood. Maybe this will get Morny and Mauer fired up a little, instead of resenting Johan and Torii.
I still think Harris’s ability to play third base has something to do with it. Not that he ends the Twins search for a third baseman, but they like guys that give them multiple options. The goal is to probably use Johan to fill third, but you never know what the other team might offer. There could be someone too good to pass up, even if he can’t play 3B or CF.
I am also thinking that there may be only a few Twins, Liriano, Mauer and Morneau among them, that would be untouchable and could also be traded away. I believe between trades and any possible free agent signings, this may be the busiest off season in a long time for the Twins. Hopefully this get them on track for a very competitive team by the time the new stadium opens!
Thank you fellas. The Pohlad bashing is old.
I like the trade. Young is great player to build with for the future. I think he will make it easy to forget losing the swing at everything Hunter. I do wish Rincon would have been in the trade instead of Morlan.
I did/do like Garza, but Young should be worth it.
Exciting start to the hot stove league, but please trade Santana to the Dodgers or Mets not the Sox/Yanks.
From the USATODAY’s website:
The Twins may have the second-richest owner in all of sports in Carl Pohlad, with a franchise that may triple in value once they move into their new ballpark in 2010, but they don’t act like it. The rest of the teams in the division, even the Royals, are willing to out-spend them.
With Garza the Rays finally have a major league rotation. The Rays still have to many OF’s. They don’t even want Bartlett, the Rays have a stud coming up at 3B and Iwamura is going to play short. The Twinks got burned in this deal, just wait till Young hits another umpire and he’s gone for life. A young stud pitcher for dime a dozen OF, any day.
Mos,
I think the Twins should have gotten Upton or Crawford in the deal, but Young is more than a dime a dozen outfielder.
If he can improve his eye at the plate a little bit he could be an MVP candidate as a Right handed hitter in the middle of the Twins Lineup.
However, I wanted Upton or Crawford so bad it freaking hurts. I have been begging, and whining for Crawford for about 18 months on various chats.
Dime a dozen? Young was a 22 year old rookie last year with 93 ribbies! It is about time we trade young pitchers for a soon to be stud hitter.
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Durrrrr
double durrrr
Twins should trade Santana to Yanks for Hughes, Kennedy, Cabrera and then trade with the red sox for coco crisp
