Twins take on Toronto with a different look up the middle
Posted on May 14th, 2008 – 6:33 PMBy La Velle
It’s not surprising that Twins manager Ron Gardenhire has Matt Tolbert at second and Alexi Casilla at shortstop tonight against Toronto.
Brendan Harris has been working hard before games on turning the double play, but failed to turn one in yesterday’s game. I sense that Gardy likes Harris’ bat in the lineup but it’s hard for him to tolerate missed plays in the field. Besides, Tolbert needs to play.
And Gardy sees this as a good spot to give Casilla a chance. So he has two speedy, athletic players in the middle infield tonight.
Jason Kubel is in at designated hitter tonight.
Toronto (19-22): 1. Brad Wilkerson, RF. 2. Aaron Hill, 2B. 3. Alex Rios, CF. 4. Scott Rolen, 3B. 5. Matt Stairs, DH. 6. Lyle Overbay, 1B. 7. Shannon Stewart, LF. 8. Greg Zaun, C. 9. Marco Scutaro, SS. Pitching: Roy Halladay.
Twins (20-18): 1. Carlos Gomez, CF. 2. Matt Tolbert, 2B. 3. Joe Mauer, C. 4. Justin Morneau, 1B. 5. Michael Cuddyer, RF. 6. Jason Kubel, DH. 7. Delmon Young, LF. 8. Mike Lamb, 3B. 9. Alexi Casilla, SS. Pitching: Boof Bonser.
354 Responses to "Twins take on Toronto with a different look up the middle"
I hope Casilla plays great ball why he is up…I get the sense he has a chance to really latch onto that job if Everett can’t get healthy.
Crap. Gotta go out tonight. Really want to know how Boof and Casilla do.
WHY is Harris sitting? Guys miss plays every now and then. Oh well. I’m just not a big fan of Alexi Casilla I guess.
Stu, I completely agree. I’m fine with a spot start for Casilla, but I don’t get why Harris isn’t in there everyday. Does he pick it like Luis Castillo? No. But we traded for him for his bat, and some sacrifice defensively should be expected. And if he’s working to improve and not a complete liability, I don’t see why he’s not out there everyday.
Well, maybe if Harris could actually hit we could ignore his defensive mistakes. However, he is nowhere close to being good enough offensively to just ignore his defensive shortcomings.
Casilla/Gomez 9-1 in the order could make for some fun baserunning if both can get on base at the same time tonight.
As far as the lineup, it’s Roy Halladay on the mound. It really doesn’t matter who the Twins put out there, he’s a dang fine pitcher.
I’m still waiting for Young to get some time on the bench to straighten things out in his head. If not this series, then definately in an NL park (get Kubel and Monroe some at-bats)
Good line up, lets hope Casiilla learned how to catch the ball, other then that he brings good athletic ability to this line up, imagine him and Gomez on base at the same time
Ha! Wife says to heck with it, I can watch my game!!
Harris didn’t merely miss a play or make an error, he looked incompetent on that DP attempt last night.
Gardy was embarrassed. I wonder if Harris’s leg is 100% yet. They subbed for him Monday night late.
“Besides, Tolbert needs to play.”
Why?
Poor Casilla, he blew it…….
I give it maybe three innings before Gardy pulls Casilla, slides Tolbert over and puts in Harris.
Rios and Gomez are kind of similar players, also with similar stats.
boof needs a dp
Oh great. One of THOSE umps.
we got four guys that if get on base they should steal bases agenst Roy Halladay
That probably explains the “stacked” lineup with Casilla/Tolbert/Gomez
AaronK says:
“Well, maybe if Harris could actually hit we could ignore his defensive mistakes. However, he is nowhere close to being good enough offensively to just ignore his defensive shortcomings.”
That sums it up perfectly.
Need to throw Rolen a tight one……
Well, that Casilla error is now meaningless (well, it’s 3-0)
Dangit Boof.
Frickin’ wife. Why didn’t we go out….
You gotta be kidding! These guys have gotta be cheating somehow. I thought the Blue Jays can’t hit! All of sudden they are the Red Sox against us. LOL
“Poor Casilla, he blew it…….”
I missed it. What happened?
No big curve from the Boof yet. Next time, he’d better bring it to the park for the 1st inning.
The first play of the night was a grounded to Casilla. He had to dive for it, but it tipped off his glove.
If he makes the play, it’s 3-0 and the innings over with the Rolen out.
But Boof isn’t doing himself any favors.
This is quite the hole Bonser dug with Halladay on the mound.
“Frickin’ wife. Why didn’t we go out….”
Haha.
Boof is terrible. please send him to the bullpen or the minors. just somewhere other than the starting rotation. he sucks
With Halladay pitching this game is over.
If Casilla makes the play, Boof doesn’t pitch from the stretch. Who knows how the rest of the inning plays out.
BAM! WHAT! Jays time baby! I’m calling another shot later in this game, little fellas so WATCH IT.
Bonser taking on Radke’s old habit of sucking it up in the first inning.
Just looking at the pitching matchup, I could tell this was going to be a long night… maybe we can get Halliday to throw a bunch of pitches and get him out in the 7th or so… but with all those lefties in their pen, it might be pretty hopeless at this point.
Boof needs to be evaluated this season, if he dosent get it together, we need to consider moving him to the pen.
The only question with Bonser is if he is a decent inning #6 or 7 reliever. He has been excrement save for about a 2 month lukewarm streak two years ago. The decisions when Baker returns seem easier than the media would have you believe. The only spot open to question should be Slowey’s. Can he hack the rotation or do they need to find another starter.
For an organization that creams themselves on development of pitchers…who are they?
So apparently if you can’t hit him…hit him.
Mauer Power?
Well thats one way to get the pitcher out of the game!
Of course Halliday finishes his pitches, but he doesn’t look like he finishes getting set to play defense, standing on one leg when the ball crosses the plate.
Gardy’s Girly man pitching philosophy refuses to pitch up and in….4-0 after top half of the first. Incredible!!
Boof Lite is a joke. His weight loss made no difference. He is the worst excuse for a pitcher to wear a Twins unie since the mid-90’s.
Give him a bus ticket to Rochester and get him the hades out of here.
Please.
Thank you Morneau.
Ringy Dingy
Nice dong.
Yes, I just said that.
WOW!!
Turn this series around JUSTIN!
I thought for a second it was a phantom call by dick
Way to go Tolbert and Morneau
“Finishing his pitches” ???
Can somebody throw half a pitch?
T - did you see that one pitch by DiceK?
Cuddyer with an infield hit. Hold on a sec…a pig just buzzed my window.
It’s not reasonable to expect all these inexperienced pitchers to immediately be consistent. Boof will become more consistent, as he gains more experience.
T - did you see that one pitch by DiceK?
I stand corrected. 
T he’s a magician! Duh
See. This is why they need to bench Young.
Gomez responded, Kubel’s responded (in a few ABs granted), it could work for Young.
Looking like Monroe’s success has lit a fire under Kubel’s a**!!
Atta boy Kubes…
Witht the way this series has been going, I thought for sure that Shannon Stewart was going to throw Cuddy out from the left field fence with his noodle arm.
“Can somebody throw half a pitch?”
No, but somebody can have a half thought.
Come on Young tie this game
Kubel was supposedly peeved that he wasn’t playing. Good! Bench time was a rude slap in the face. It got his attention, and got some adrenaline flowing.
Play Monroe and Kubel and let young pick splinters out of his ass.
“Witht the way this series has been going, I thought for sure that Shannon Stewart was going to throw Cuddy out from the left field fence with his noodle arm.”
That’s funny.
Matt Stair has killed the Twins forever, I wonder what his career numbers are against the Twins. Now if Boof can manage to not give up a run in the top of the 2nd.
Young has played in every game this year. He can’t hit a cut-off man and he is hitting .260 with no power. Yes, yes he has potential but right now he is a punch and judy hitter and kills almost as many rallies as Cudyer.
He needs to sit for a while. He reminds me a lot of Bombo Rivera- no power, speed, pretty good glove tons of potential but not much in the noggin.
stairs has hit .263/.333/.473
with 22 bombs and 58 rbi in 357 abs
here is a link if you want to see the whole line
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=stairma01
scroll down to team splits
That K pitch to Gomez was nasty.
Gomez is still in the AL top 40 in BA. No great shakes, but not bad for a half-rookie who’s adjusting his approach at the plate.
It looks like he’s as good as the all-star Rios.
Casilla. Pardon. Gomez showing off his wings.
That half inning went no where
But T, was the K pitch to Gomez nasty?
If it weren’t Gomez, I’d say yes…but he swung at one of those earlier tonight I think.
How about Bonser, Lamb and Casilla in a trade for a sack of batting practice balls. Sounds like an even up trade! Seriously, Casilla was hitting .219 at Rochester! What are these geniuses thinking??? The left side of our infield is the worst in all of baseball. Heck the AA New Britain infielders can out hit and outfield our stiffs.
Thank you Jack Morris. Just what I was saying.
And while Jack’s talking, Boof comes in a little tight Rolen.
About time.
Lamb is a .280 career hitter who just switched leagues it takes a while to adapt to the new pitchers. I swear twins fans go from “by god hes the mvp” to “can him” faster than any other fans in baseball.
Now Harris is getting slammed?? Our only middle infielder who hit it out of the infield, please. The lineup tonight is weak. If Casilla can play D and hit a little better I would be happy to see his speed at short but Harris needs to play, forget Tolbert as an everyday player.
On that note…Boof for Cy Young!!!
Casilla not looking good tonight. Four examples already:
1. 1st inning defensive miss on the grounder.
2. Took his time on his throw and gunned it to 1st last inning.
3. K. Could have at least swung at it.
4. Caught the popup this inning one-handed.
Why doesn’t he just kiss Gardy’s ass and play like a goody-twoshoes for a while…
Good call again Everett fan.
Toby,
You can go from the penthouse to the doghouse and back again in the blink of an eye, on this blog.
A single base hit or a half inning of good pitching, can change everything. We don’t mess around here. Total flexibility and the ability to change instantly, is a mandatory prerequisite to participate here.
great baserunning
Ben D, I don’t make calls. Harris is the more powerful hitter and always will be.
This umpire’s delay in calling the strike is going to start causing problems soonish.
Especially when your a baserunner trying to decide to go or not.
two inches outside on that pitch. cmon cuddy!
But Harris, unlike Lamb, isn’t a veteran with a track-record.
That was a way out called 3 strike for Morneau
And batting .50 points lower than Tolbert. I’ll take Avg over 2 home runs. I think Harris should be on SS. Def not Everett
Three inches outside, JP. Frickin’ ump, taking the bat out of MVP’s hands.
kubel ripped that one. they had the big pappi shift on
either way romer, an obvious ball. then kubel hit it on the screws. but mj1 would probably say he popped out.
“But Harris, unlike Lamb, isn’t a veteran with a track-record.”
That’s a good point, romer. Harris played full time for the first time last season. Mostly at SS. He’s never been a regular 2B in the majors.
Batting averages are going up and down 20 points every series. Harris has numerous multi-hit games. He will be back to .280. by next week. He hits the ball harder, do you deny that?
Lamb hasn’t been a regular either, but he has more major league experience at his position.
Harris has 6 doubles and so does Tolbert. Harris has 46 more ab than Tolbert and Tolbert has a better glove. You may as well defend Everett and his dried up arm.
“But Harris, unlike Lamb, isn’t a veteran with a track-record.”
The flip side of that argument is that he hit .286 in is first full season as a regular in the bigs last year. So Harris, unlike Lamb, has some potential to get better.
Boof, find the strike zone please.
4 ER and 6 hits in three innings — maybe they’re calling for halladay to get shipped out to AAA on the toronto blogs.
Harris SLG is .353 Tolbert is .356?
Why does the kid catch one-handed? Doesn’t he know anything about team politics?
Only nice thing about missing the first 3 innings is coming back here to read the funny pages from you guys. Game over. Too funny. HaHaHa.
romer
Casilla prolly saw Cuddy’s hat trick the other night and wants to duplicate it to get on ESPN…
Tolbert uses his speed to get to second on bloop hits. Harris has to drive it to get doubles. He has 2 HR because his ball gets close to the fence.
I have mercy on David for saying “game over”. I felt the same way.
Harris has played with six teams in the last 3.5 years. That might tell you something.
Tolbert wouldn’t be in the majors on any other team.
To clarify: Six major league teams in 3.5 years.
Well maybe the Royals.
Boof…dangit.
OK, if this is how Boof has been pitching all night, I see where you may have said ‘game over’. Sheesh. He’s got nothing on the ball so far this inning.
Boof is trash. [Edited. Please refrain from swearing]
“Tolbert wouldn’t be in the majors on any other team.”
Do you mean Harris?
As much as we like to debate which of our middle IF’s and 3B men should play I think the reality is that none of them are that great at this point and none them are really standing out. So it makes sense that they all get to play the IF by commitee. Other than Morneau we really just have a bunch of what looks like utility IF’s.
Tolbert and Harris have pretty much the same OBP, SLG and OPS, Harris has a better fielding percentage and Zone Rating at 2B, Tolbert has a better Range Factor.
Stats do not clearly place one player above the other. All evaluations by posters on here are based on their own observations, preferences and biases.
I like the competition between Harris and Tolbert. Tolbert is a gamer. Harris needs to perform to keep his job. Both are still learning. I don’t care which one “wins”.
I got sat down recently, because I was starting to bitch about Lamb. But he’s hitting about .300 the last 10 days. AND, he’s a veteran professional type hitter. So more patience with him because he’ll come around.
Get the hook!
2 weeks ago everyone wanted Tolbert in there every day, now he sucks. Funny pages indeed.
Bring in Everett we need a dinger to tie the game.
Yeah…he needs to sit tomorrow.
I’m just saying give Harris a chance cause we tried the pirahna thing and we got swept by a sorry ass A’s team with 3 good pitchers. Let’s see if we can hit a little more this year. It’s gotten us this far.
Time for an IQ check
With Young’s mental error, now Gardy has an excuse to sit him.
As long as Boof is still pitching it’s game over.
“Bring in Everett we need a dinger to tie the game.”
Way to use my handle?? I see amateur hour has started.
RyanW,
You forgot one thing: Harris can’t turn the DP. Most important job by the 2B.
Way to go Young.
Romer, I agree on Lamb, same with Young. At the beginning of the season I thought this was a team that would improve as the season wears on, and if that’s true, they will be OK. After all no one thought they’d be in first place right now.
What the hell just happened in Young’s at bat? MLB Gameday said right fielder to catcher with Young out at first???
Someone needs to tell Delmon there is a baseball game going on, and he’s playing.
David, that’s twice now you’ve declared game over and it’s only the 5th inning of a 1 run game.
Razz: Young doinked one into short right field and gawked at it while rounding 1st instead of thanking his stars and staying planted on first.
I see one thing is still for certain Casilla still can’t hit.
Would somebody please explain to me what Jerry White and Scott Ullger do to benefit this team? This has to be one of the poorest base running Twins’ teams in recent memory. Please don’t blame it on youth..they were terriblelast year, also.
Casilla and Lamb need to be sent down to the minors and we need to call up Buscher and Plouffe.
That comes close to the ugliest half inning of the year. DY gets a bloop single, busted bat, swinging at ball 3 on a 2 ball count; then rounds 1st too far and gets thrown out RF with catcher covering 1st. Then, two very ugly strike outs. Wow, Casilla looks lost at the plate.
No I said as long as Boof is still pitching this is over, the 2nd time I posted. He is not having a very good game and as the game goes on Halladay will get stronger, I hope I’m wrong but that is just the way I see it to night.
daniel you could see white YELLING at Young to get back. Young just stood there with a dumb look on his face. that was not white’s fault. on all Young.
Thanks T
Razz, Young gets bloop single as first baseman pursues. Young rounds first and forgets that a catcher can come up the line and cover first. AND he ignores his first base coach who was yelling at him to get back to first.
Plouffe? Plouffe? You’ve got to be kidding me!! Plouffe?
It pains me, but I gotta say it: Boof is the weak link in the Twins’ rotation…
After last night and tonight if Young doesn’t sit tomorrow I’m going to start to think Gardy has gone soft.
“Would somebody please explain to me what Jerry White and Scott Ullger do to benefit this team?”
Remember when Torii Hunter used to run through stop signs? Remember how that ticked everybody here off?
What are they supposed to do when the player doesn’t listen? Tackle them?
Does anyone else feel Casilla needs to scrap the left handed hitting bit.He looks much more comfortable batting right handed.He’s fast enough to still get infield hits from the right side,but he can’t even putt the ball in play from the left side.
Bonser looking strong finishing the 5th with 94 pitches.
“You forgot one thing: Harris can’t turn the DP. Most important job by the 2B”
Craig, That is correct.
What is not clear is:
Can he develop that skill?
How soon?
Is there a physical limitation that prevents or slows his learning process?
Doug, I wonder what Casilla’s splits are — especially his OBP splits.
“You forgot one thing: Harris can’t turn the DP. Most important job by the 2B.”
Craig, I agree that is a flaw- but to point that out about Harris does not mean Tolbert is playing good defense at 2b. Tolbert has had a number of mental miscues at 2b, (see the throw to first with one out and guys on the corners early in the season, the runner on first moved to second and scored on a two-out base hit the next batter- it was little league stuff- no error, but cost the team at least one run in a close game). Also, Tolbert has his own issues turning double plays, the other night they broke down how he is haveing problems steping back or steping over the bag on his turn, which is making him a target for takout slides. If you want to make the “best fielding second basemen” argument, I would just go with Punto.
T., Don’t give me that manure! The catcher followed him to first and where’s your coach. Couple that with Ullger being kept around to salve his wounds after losing his hitting job and you have inadequacy. Your coaches are your eyes and ears out there and these two are deaf and dumb!!
Bonser hasn’t looked strong since his first couple of starts.
RyanW,
That’s a fair evaluation. I agree with you.
Man, the bottom of the lineup is useless!
I agree with you Doug, Casilla looks rough batting lefty. And what is with the bluff drag bunt that he takes for a strike? If it is a strike, put it down…
“Your coaches are your eyes and ears out there and these two are deaf and dumb!!”
Are you serious? Did you see White? He can’t do anything except yell at the player to run/slide/stay.
If the player doesn’t listen or is slow to react there’s nothing more a coach can do.
Though I’d love to see you as a base coach. I have the mental image of you sticking your foot out to trip Young as he rounds first.
If you’re going to complain about that play at least go to the trouble to get your facts straight.
Delmon didn’t listen to White. And now he’s out. White couldn’t do anything except yell as loud as he could.
I think our entire infield (with the exception of Morneau) will be a continual revolving door for most of the season. Which if played right could be ok.
Bottom line our 7,8,9 hitters have batted 6 times struck out 5 and had a dumb ass base running mistake.
Hey don’t forget, Casilla IS facing Halliday after all…….
That called K to MVP still looms large.
romer, I don’t think he has enough big league at bats for the stats to be worth anything.I’m just talking about his swing! I don’t ever recall him hitting the ball hard left handed.I think the Twins invisioned this slap hitting speedster who could take advantage of the turf,but he can’t even put the bat on the ball from the left side.And if there is any hope that he is part of the infield of the future there is only one more year of turf anyway.
RyanW I couldn’t agree with you more.
Way to go Lamb, how overpaid can one be for lack of service!
Holy Country Club, did you see Young laughing it up with Zahn (obviously over his baserunning mistake)?
Yuk-yuk, Delmon.
Hope Gardy gets wind of this.
Last year at Jacob’s field, after Chris Hintz pulled a similar base running gaffe, I called to Ullger as he returned to the dugout from my seat just over the Twin’s first base dugout inquiring what happened, his look and actions were his usual non-plussed. You will never convince me these guys are major league caliber coaches.
“Your coaches are your eyes and ears out there and these two are deaf and dumb!!”
You probably mean blind and deaf. But hey, whatever.
Young just tried to tag up with 2 outs. Or went half way to see if the ball was caught.
You could be right Doug. But I was just wondering about his minor league splits.
JJ,
i just sat through the Rock Cats game and a couple others this year as well, Plouffe is not a callup option right now!
Lamb and Casilla are clutch!
Is it correct that Halladay ahs had a complete game in all but 1 of his stars this season, if so that’s impressive.
that should say has.
Lamb is pretty good defensively when he doesn’t have to move much.
Casilla’s needs to get on base next inning.
I am so bored with this “pitch count” debate.
Is is possible that players are bigger and stronger than they used to be, so the average pitcher has to exert more energy per pitch, thus lowering his ability to throw more pitches?
Also, relief pitchers are MUCH better than they used to be. The point of the game is to win. Teams are paying relivers millions of dollars to hold leads or keep games close, why would they not use them? Not to mention the huge investment teams make with pitchers (Santana anyone?). Why not keep them fresh and injury free?
It is just such a dumb, boring, silly argument.
Ben D says:
“Young just tried to tag up with 2 outs. Or went half way to see if the ball was caught.”
His head isn’t in the game. His butt should be on the bench.
Yeah we know, David.
Casilla with a good play. Runner was safe though.
Oh well, Casilla got to show off his strong arm. Maybe he’ll relax now.
On the bright side…Rincon has looked good his last few appearances. With Neshek out it’d be huge if Rincon continued having success!
Maybe not….
relief pitchers are MUCH better than they used to be
yes they are because until a couple of decades ago, the concept of relief pitching was not so defined… Starters used to pitch for 130-140 pitches
If Casilla gets on we will break this game open.
Call up Carew! To either pinch bunt or teach bunting!
Ryan, You’re right, Bert and others are nostalgic for the CG but what was much more common than the CG was the 8th inning meltdown. A manager would get roasted for wasting 7 good innings these days by the radio commentators if he sent a guy out there too long.
Dam!! Thought Gomez had the bunt down.
Trevor Plouffe is hitting .265 in his SECOND YEAR at AA.
He hit .246 at Hi-A.
He hit .223 at Low-A.
His minor league BA going into this year was .253. (top level AA)
He has below average quickness and made 32 errors last year on the limited plays he could get to.
Please stop telling me that he is Everett’s replacement - next year or EVER!
“his look and actions were his usual non-plussed.”
That’s perhaps the dumbest reasoning I’ve heard today…if not longer.
Major league umps, coaches, and players hear so much crap from fans during a game.
To think Ulger’s a bad coach because he didn’t trot over and discuss the last play with you is riddiculous.
Next you’ll call Mauer a bad hitter because he didn’t walk over and talk about his last AB when you were yelling from the stands.
High and hard next pitch on Gomez..
Glad I was wrong 
Trevor has a shot as a 3b in 2010. But probably not enough power.
romer,here are Casilla’s ‘08 AAA stats: Left handed .233, 60AB, no extra base hits,13K’s.Right handed .194 in 36AB,3 doubles, 5K’s. probably to small of a sample to make any judgements but thats AAA level pitching.It’s quite obvious his swing is not natual from the left side.
T., You and Ullger have something in common… you’re both clueless!
doh!
Thrylos- and coaching and player development at younger ages is better than they used to be.
Not to mention the large talent pools opened up in Latin America and Asia.
You have go to be kidding me… This team is probably the worst fundamental team in the last 8 years we have seen here, (I know they are all “new”) but at least when the kids were up in 2000, they may have gotten pounded, but they played the game the right way.
Is anyone teaching hitting strategies and baserunning strategies to the new kids? Molitor where are you?
“T., You and Ullger have something in common… you’re both clueless!”
Says the guy upset that a coach wouldn’t talk to him.
“That’s perhaps the dumbest reasoning I’ve heard today…if not longer.
Major league umps, coaches, and players hear so much crap from fans during a game.
To think Ulger’s a bad coach because he didn’t trot over and discuss the last play with you is riddiculous.”
T, you are killing me. Hahaha
I could go watch high school and american legion games and not see the kind of base running mistakes made by
Young and Gomez tonight. I know these kids are young, but some nights I wonder how much they learned in the minor leagues especially Gomez.
Can this game get any uglier?
It didn’t sound like Gomez was even in the minors that long. I’ve heard some comments that Gomez’s “rawness” (is that a word) stems for how he was rushed through the Mets system.
I really thought Tolbert was gonna come thru there, He will if he gets another AB.
T- I agree with you.I’m no Ullger fan, but I would think even less of him if he started debating the fans after every play on the field.The players and coaches probably don’t even hear 90% of the stuff fans say to them during the game.And even if they do they shouldn’r respond during the game.
“but they played the game the right way.”
You have a short memory if you do not remember the numorous mistakes of the young Jaques Jones, Torii Hunter and Cristan Guzman
Gardy’s blood pressure must be off the charts, right now. These players are going to do in poor Gardy, with their boneheaded play.
You must not remember Tom Kelly taking them out on the field after a game in Chicago going over stuff and making them run (Even though they won) because they made critical mental mistakes… You think Gardy will do that? No way, hes a players manager and tries to be everyones friend. TK not so much
No one was seeking a discussion. Just some acknowledgment that he understood what had just happened and what went wrong. By his actions of complete numbness, it was apparent he didn’t. And, if you are the professed fan that you say you are, please don’t tell me that these examples are unique to my experiences with this coaching staff.
What the heck just happened there?
Good lord this team is pathetic
Who in God’s name is Crain throwing to?
I was wrong it did get uglier!!
Everyone better enjoy first place for the next 2 innings because if we don’t put some runs together we are going to be looking up at Cleveland after CC’s gem today.
I would hate to be Tom Kelly’s dog right now!
“By his actions of complete numbness, it was apparent he didn’t.”
Your absolutely right. So from now on Ulger should be sure and field questions from any fan who he is able to hear.
Because I’m sure that at a baseball game (especially on an ugly play as the one you are discussing) you are the only person yelling something at the coach.
Give it up. Seriously. At this point you’re coming off as that fan who once loved a player but now hates him because he didn’t sign your ball the last time you were at a game.
Jussi says:
May 14th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
“Can this game get any uglier?”
Yes
The fans deserve their money refunded. They paid to watch a major league baseball game.
Young’s out at first base on the trailer play was not a fundamental mistake, UNLESS the Blue Jays have used that play previously, and it was discussed at the pre-series meeting.
Most teams NEVER run that play - not worth the practice time.
If they do, it only works once (maybe twice) and from then on opponents will look for it and warn their coaches and hitters to be wary of it.
Without that warning, hitters are taught to round first aggressively and if the catcher beats the coaches alert to return to 1B, the play has a good to succeed the first time, if it is executed well.
So if the offense is to blame when the Twins lose to a “bad” pitcher, is it Boof’s fault that the Twins are on track to lose tonight to a “bad” offense?
Razz, I’m not enjoying myself tonight, but am moderately enjoying the season so far and enjoyng the 9 hits and 4 runs from the Twins tonight……and Boof after the grand slam, giving up only 1 run in 5 innings.
“Your absolutely right. So from now on Ulger should be sure and field questions from any fan who he is able to hear.”
Hilarious.
Ullger is part of the “old boys club”, he got bumped from hitting coach, to a semi-prestige position. How many runners has he left out to dry?
To put an end to your inanity, remember the game was in Cleveland and yes, I was the only person wearing a Twins hat saying anything to Ullger. As a player, he was mediocre and not much of a hitter. True credentials to be a ML coach!
It blows my mind that a team who just came off a huge series win against the Champs are giving a team like the Blue Jays the win.
“To put an end to your inanity…”
And to stick a tack in your self-inflated sense of self-worth, coaches/players/umps aren’t required to respond to you simply because you wearing one team’s hat or another.
Has anyone seen? Looks like they’re putting a mini-shift on Kuble.
Well done Kubel. There must be some magic in that bench. But they can only use it when a guy is cold.
Bench a guy on fire and it’s trouble.
TK was a mediocre player and not much of a hitter either so what’s your point. You don’t have to be a great player to be a great coach.
Needing a clutch Lamb hit here
Pinch hit Monroe
They have been putting the shift on all morneau, kubel and mauer. kind of weird but its worked so far.
Bring Monroe in to bat for Lamb.
Redmond to pinch hit for Lamb?
Young is a one pitch wonder. He only sees one and always swings. On a positive note: he did pull the ball.
save monroe for the 9th so he can hit for casilla
TK could think and had a plan. Ullger was in the minors at the time, right where he belonged.
Will Harris do what Harris does best? Strikeout?
I don’t get Harris for Lamb. Lamb in much better with RISP.
And THAT wasn’t a very good baserunning play for Kubel, right? With 2 outs coming, it doesn’t matter much if he’s on 3rd instead of 2nd.
Will Harris do what Harris does best? Strikeout?
Yup!
What explanation would you expect from Ullger?
“The runner f-cked up”
“I f-cked up”
“I had a bad hangover this morning”
“What runner?”
“We are thinking about covering that next year in Spring Training”
The fact the brain fart is officially the difference maker is a killer.
How do you take that.
Nice call New and Improved
Daniel1966-Quite frankly most players and coaches could care less what you or any other fan thinks about what they do on the field.If you caught up to Ullger at the coffee shop in the hotel the next morning and were pleasant about it, he MAY talk to you,but on the field most teams have rules about NOT engaging fans during the game. And Ullger’s lack of ability at the ML level doesn’t proclude him from being a good coach.Most ML Managers and coaches aren’t All-Star type players.
Dumb. Gardenhire is terrible with the game on the line. He must cost the Twins 5 - 10 wins every season because of these strange moves. Leaving Slowey in last night was another example.
wouldnt u let lamb hit, and pinch hit for casillia leading off the 9th? now you dont have anyone to pinch hit off the bench for him because there are no infielders left, unless you get creative and bring cuddy in and monroe to right if they were to tie it?
Harris had a good AB, until the last pitch.
I thought he was gonna come through.
Wonder what happened?
Oh yeah, it’s Brain-Fart Night.
OK I give up, fire Ulger and give the job to Daniel1966, obviously a baseball genius.
hit monroe for casilla and everett comes in to play ss
We’re all still here because we believe they’ll pull this out.? At least it’s been entertaining.
They would have pinch hit Everett for Casilla
Comparing the Twins baserunning and throwing bloopers tonight to youth baseball is embarrasing and wrong. Youth everywhere deserve an apology.
Dumb. Gardenhire is terrible with the game on the line.
Gardy didn’t throw that ball into left field. That was Crain.
I guess your right Romer, anything more than 3 pitches qualifies as a good at bat for the Twins.
I surrender. Do me one favor though, watch the Twins base running for the next few weeks and tell us what you think. Also, pay attention to tight games and how the veterans on this team perform on the bases. With that, back to the game.
About seven different players make monumental screw-ups and its decided that Gardy is costing us the game with his substitutions?
Get a grip!
thank god Tolbert was at third
Whoops forget senior slugger was still on the pine
Nobody talk bad about Gardy, he’s our hero.
Was gonna say hanks for your insight at 9:34, sane.
It explains why Young initially didn’t instantaneously react to White’s yelling at him.
Alright…should be Monroe, Gomez, Tolbert…I smell a comeback! Put on the rally caps boys and girls!
If we hear how “fundamentally sound” this team is once more, and how they “play the game the right way,” I’m gonna smack the smuck who says it over the head with a waffle iron.
Who’s managing the players Sid? Why do we even need a manager and coaching staff if it’s always the player’s fault.
We are gonna win this game!
Also, pay attention to tight games and how the veterans on this team perform on the bases.
So wait. Is it the players who make good baserunning or is it the coaches?
Nathan pitched his inning. That means the twins will score two in the bottom of the ninth!
Kevlar…using your reasoning why do we even need players if its always the coaches fault? We could field a team of coaches and have the smartest worst team in baseball!
Must be the player’s fault Kevin, Gardy is doing everything possible but there not listening. Get rid of all the players and keep Gardy.
Speaking of baserunning, the one player that always runs the bases well is Mauer. I think Cuddy runs well most of the time. His stumble turned into somersault does come to mind. Morneau gets caught too often in “no man’s land”. Not recalling any other veteran positive or negatives.
And thanks to Doug Munson for his time in posting the Casilla stats even though they didn’t back up his assertion.
I’d still like to see Casilla’s lifetime OBP splits, but I’m too lazy to find them. So Doug’s point is valid for all I know.
This ump sucks.
How was that a strike.
How are those strikes?
Romer -Your welcome. My assertion is that his swing looks terrible from the left side!!
Ump must have plans and can’t afford extra innings…
let’s go Tolbert!
Gomez got absolutely butchered on the balls and strikes calls.
Still remember the called K on Morneau.
Goddammed Runge.
Game over.
Must be the player’s fault Kevin, Gardy is doing everything possible but there not listening.
If you think Gardy is responsible for a botched play in the field, or a poor pick-off throw…then you don’t know how baseball works.
A manager doesn’t have control of the game at every second. Sometimes (god forbid) the players actually have to think for themselves.
He can call for the hit and run, but the players have to execute.
Using your logic Razz, why do managers ever get fired if they are so smart and its just the players fault for not listening?
Gross.
frizm, frazm, rixn, raxn
One wonders if Runge had a bad night or money on this game.
Can’t beat the umps
It would be nice if Gomez was actually rewarded for not swinging at pitches low and 6 inches outside.
Hard for the guy to make strides when he is punished for having a good eye.
Why do the Twins always have to do this? They play a great series and then let the momentum rapidly deflate by losing a series to some out of nowhere team that’s not even playing well right now.
“…then you don’t know how baseball works.”
There goes T preaching baseball knowledge that he doesn’t have again! Yet, when he’s asked a simple question re rules of the game, he runs and hides!
What a legend he is in his own mind!
The Twins didn’t play well enough to win but the Jays sure didn’t need Big Ed’s help.
Yes, those umps threw 30 first inning pitches, loaded the bases and gave up a grand slam. I didn’t know Bonser was an ump. Might as well be since he ain’t a pitcher.
T - I bow to the superior baseball knowledge that you have shown on this blog. You are too focused on what the players do and not on who puts them in that position. Who called for the pickoff? Who pinch hit Harris for Lamb? Who left Slowey in too long last night?…blah…blah….blah
I don’t advise it for your blood pressure, but if you look at gameday… Gomez had 5 balls and 1 strike. Morneau’s K pitch in inning 3 was in the other batter’s box. Not sure how accurate gameday is, but ump’s game matched that of the Twins… both not major league caliber tonight.
I’ve seen some pathetic games, but this one had it all. Lousy pitching, lousy defense, lousy base running and an Ump with two different strikes zones.
What the heck, the Twins play single A ball, they might as well have a single A ball ump behind the plate.
Take 3 out of four from Boston then turn around and compensate for it by losing to one of the worst in the league. A MN sports franchise in a nutshell right there.
I think it’s safe to say that we’ll be looking up at the Indians the rest of the year. Their pitching staff makes ours look like a AA staff.
You can’t come back when the umps take the bat out of your hands.
Using your logic Razz, why do managers ever get fired if they are so smart and its just the players fault for not listening?
Your oversimplifying the situation.
Gardy puts a lineup together, and call for specific plays and pitches. But it’s still up to the players to execute.
Where a manager runs into trouble is more in decisions such as pitching changes and how he assembles a lineup.
But Gardy should not be fired because Delmon Young over ran first base (or as is the case here got caught by a trick play)
kevlarstorm,
“Who’s managing the players Sid? Why do we even need a manager and coaching staff if it’s always the player’s fault.”
Because players efforts - good or bad -must be coordinated. And the young players must be taught the MLB way to play baseball.
In a 6-5 game an ump can be partly blamed for bad calls I think. Not completely but it is really sad when everyone but the ump sees the bad calls.
The Crain play and Boof’s cheese to Stairs cost us the game…
T, do us all a favor and save all that infinite baseball knowledge for your next job as the Twins hitting coach. You sound about the type they’d hire.
Gotta love it after the Red Sox series evryone loves the team after a few losses everyone throws them under the bus. The season is not 2 series long it is 162 games.
Sabathia - Great
Carmona - Great
Lee - Great this year
Byrd - Good
Westbrook - Good when healthy
Minor league fill ins - Average
One thing to remember when complaining about balls and Strikes from the living room,we don’t have a direct look at the plate.Did Runge miss some pitches? probably,but he’s still got the best look.Nothing bothers me more than when the announcer(mainly Dick Bremer) starts questioning the umps strike zone from up in the press box.And Dick has the same view as we do.
Who called for the pickoff?
In this case? Since the runner broke early, I’d imagine it was either the Tolbert, Casilla, or Mauer that alerted Crain the runner was going early.
Lamb took third to field a potential throw from Mauer. If I’m not mistaken, Crain in that situation is supposed to charge the runner and force him one direction or the other (then throw to the appropriate base).
If you try and blame the wild throw by Crain on Gardy, you’re trying to hard.
Great info, Carlos G.
Umps get suckered every now and then when a catcher sets up outside. And that’s what happened in the 3rd.
But the 9th was inexplicable.
Somebody should hit Runge with a whiskey bottle.
Sid: Lot of coordination out there on the field the last two nights. I can’t wait for tomorrow.
Tsays:
“But Gardy should not be fired because Delmon Young over ran first base (or as is the case here got caught by a trick play).”
And this is the STOOGE who preaches about everyone else’s lack of baseball knowledge on her!?! What a hypocrite! A catcher covering first base when the first baseman goes back into right field on a popup/duck snort is not “a trick play,” doof! It’s baseball 101! What an idiot! Keep talking up your baseball acumen, Lenny!
That’s true Doug, we don’t see the plate. But the way I’ve always thought of it is that even if we at home don’t see the plate as the ump sees it…we at least have a somewhat constant vantage point for the pitch.
So while we may not be able to accurately judge any individual pitch as being in the zone or not, we at least have a good means of accurately judging how one strike looked comparred to another.
Somebody needs to be held accountable for the poor play the last two nights. Defensively, this club is vastly overrated. They are what they are - an inconsistent .500 team.
Right, T.
Runge’s incompetency on Gomez in the 9th wasn’t even close.
Stu, go back and read sane’s post at 9:34 for more information on the “trick” aspect of the play.
Whatever the case, you all seem to convienetly forget that I was just as mad about the play as you were. Except unlike some people here I didn’t just flail that randomly at a base coach or Gardy. I got upset at the runner for not listening to his coaches and losing focus on the play.
How you think I’m defending the Twins baserunning in that situation is beyond me. I’m telling you to get mad at the right person…Young, if your going to get mad at anybody.
Of course, that said romer…I still would NEVER want runge’s job.
wow Brian Runge had a horrendous night behind the dish…
T- I just don’t buy all this “the Ump cost us the game crap”.To use your words ,If you think Runge cost us the game,your trying to hard.I’m not saying you think that, but since we all watched this game we know what cost the Twins the game,poor starting pitching,not enough timely hitting,and some serious lack of fundamentals,not Mr. Runge.
however, bottom line is we don’t deserve to win with sloppy baserunning combined with the Jesse Crain gaffe…one too many errors to overcome…
The ump cost us a chance for a comeback though…
Somebody needs to be held accountable for the poor play the last two nights.
You unfortuantly can’t bench the whole outfield.
I’d like to see a lineup shakeup maybe. But that goes back to the bee’s nest that is “Who bats third.”
Going into the NL park in CO, I wouldn’t mind this lineup.
Gomez
Mauer
Monroe
Morneau
Cuddyer
Lamb
Harris
Tolbert
(Pitcher)
Let that ride over the weekend and see what happens.
I just wish the lineup could impact the pitcher’s ability to not get crushed early…
Being the manager of the Twins is like being appointed to the Supreme Court - a life-long oppurtunity with no accountability.
No, your right Doug. The ump wasn’t solely responsible. I hope I didn’t come off that way.
The ump didn’t give up the Salami, or cause Crain to make a dumb throw. Nor did he cause Young to get thrown out or Gomez to break too early.
The Twins did plenty on the mound and in the field to dig a hole. But the ump wasn’t doing them many favors in a few key situations.
No Nora what cost us a chance at a comeback was poor starting pitching,lack of timely hitting and serious lack of fundamentals.Save the blame the ump talk for your sons Little League game.
kevlarstorm,
“Sid: Lot of coordination out there on the field the last two nights. I can’t wait for tomorrow.”
If you think a group of players can function better without coaches, then you must not have played sandlot baseball as a kid.
“I am not bunting!, “I am not catching!”
“I am the best pitcher” “My kid should play SS and bat third!” “That’s not the rule!” “I’m batting first” “NO, I am!!”
Ahhhhhh memories!
There’s a time and place for accountability, kevlar.
Knee-jerk reactions to a bad base-running play and an ugly throw to third are not those times.
Yes it did Doug. Save your the ump is not to be blamed for anything talk.
Was the ump’s performance worse than the Twins performance?
Yes, those other things did not help the Twins chances but the ump does not get off the hook he gets added to the list.
“Being the manager of the Twins is like being appointed to the Supreme Court - a life-long oppurtunity with no accountability.”
a life-long oppurtunity - WRONG
no accountability. - WRONG
You are 0 for 2.
Gardy is better than that.
If the Twins contributed 90% to the loss, the ump was 10%. Contributing factor, but hardly the dominating force.
Here’s a question I’ve been pondering durign today’s game…but I fear the results of the game may lend some bias to the discussion.
Boof has struggled this season so far, but he’s shown the ability to settle down and has had some good starts mixed in.
If as the season progressed the Twins are able to get Baker and Liriano back to 100%, and the bullpen as it is doesn’t show any glaring holes…is Boof somebody that could be worth something in a trade?
OR
Would an abundance of starting pitching lead to Boof being better suited in the bullpen, thus opening some of the older less essential arms becoming available for trade? At that point, who?
stu,
“A catcher covering first base when the first baseman goes back into right field on a popup/duck snort is not “a trick play,” doof! It’s baseball 101!”
You just flunked!
The catcher stays at home.
The pitcher covers bases vacated by infielders pursuing popups.
THAT is BASEBALL 101.
Gardy shouldn’t be blamed for this loss, at some point we have to address the Boof Bonser Blow-ups that are seem unavoidable at this point in time and as predictable as a high and low tide…I’m curious as to how long of a leash Gardy and Andy will give Bonser, I mean what if he ends up 3-10 at the All Star Break with an ERA in the mid 5’s or even low 6’s? If that’s the case (forgive my speculations) I can’t imagine Boof not having to pick up hotel room for a few weeks in Rochester NY.
Listening to Dan Gladden’s explanation of the Young play at first, he explained that Zaun’s play was routine. In fact, he said that on such a play, Zaun’s only job is to follow the base runner to first, in the event of just such a situation arising. Somebody please contact Gladden at the coffee shop tomorrow and ask him if he, indeed, meant what he said and why he would know that while neither the Twin coach nor player would recognize the situation. Thanks. We’d love to hear his response.
T - The problem as I see it is that the Twins may have more than one pitcher in the Rotation that would be better suited for the bullpen.Slowey fits the bill IMO.He doesn’t have the stuff to get through a line up more than once and his variance in speed isn’t dramatic enough (ala Hernandez) to keep them off his less than average fastball.Bonser has control issues and I don’t know about him in the pen for that reason.I’d like to see more off Perkins as a starter but I fear that for this team he may be more valuable in the bullpen to help keep Reyes healthy.A return of Baker and eventually Liriano sure would help.
T:
I’ve been pondering situations similar to the one you posed… It’s tricky b/c you’re right, one inning he’s dealing meatballs, the next a 1-2-3 all ground outs.
However as negative as I just was towards Boof, Cisco Kid looks worse and seems like he doesn’t care, Perkins and Slowey need some more time…
So I come up with this… (out of nowhere)
What not put Matty G out there for the first 3 innings and have Boof come in for the 4th-8th, Nathan or Bass in the 9th, depending on whether it be a 1-3 run lead or a 5-20 run deficit.
Wow I must be tired, goodnight, can’t wait for tomorrow’s squeeze play!
Daniel,
Just check the catcher’s actions on a single to the outfield at the next game(or games)that you attend.
You won’t need Gladden to explain anything.
See if the catcher trails the runner to 1B as a routine assignment on the single to the outfield. Then you will be smarter than Gladden apparently is.
Daniel1966-Gardenhires explaination was that Young simply couldn’t stop fast enough and get back due to his ankle (last nights injury). I never questioned Whites having some fault in the play ,I couldn’t tell whether he was following the ball or looking for Zahn.I reacted to your assertion that as a Twins fan at Jacobs Field you felt you were somehow owed an explaination from Ullger on the spot.
Daniel,
If the camera allows, you may be able to locate the catcher on singles to the outfield when viewing your next TV game.
The catcher covering 1B on Young’s single is not uncommon by any means. Of course it can only be done with no other runners on base. If you’ve played and watched as many games over the years as I have, you know how it’s done. That being said, it’s rare that dpmeone sctually gets thrown out on this play. I think I can count on one hand how many times I’ve seen it happen.
sane, we really need to give up on Daniel at this point.
If the play is as common as he (and apparently Gladden) think it is, you’d expect more players to be thrown out at first in this fashion.
That being said, it’s rare that dpmeone sctually gets thrown out on this play. I think I can count on one hand how many times I’ve seen it happen.
Would that be counting today?
Long story short, Young froze when he got to first. I could see White yelling for him, and it looks like he just froze like a dear in headlights.
It was a great hustle play by Zahn. Bill Brasky you are correct its very rare simply because most catchers wouldn’t bother or think of it.I’ve been watching ML baseball for over foury years but have never seen it done successfully at the big league level.If you take Gardenhires explaination for what its worth you can just chaulk it up to circumstances,but Gardy probably didn’t want to throw anyone under the bus.
“sane, we really need to give up on Daniel at this point.”
T,
I don’t feel the need to convince him of anything.
I think he will judge for himself how “routine” it is (or isn’t)by watching the catcher at his next game.
All I did was repeat what Gladden said. Of course, it you doubt it, ask anyone who may have listened to the game or better yet, ask Gladden. Jack Morris, who was sitting beside him, had no negative reaction to Gladden’s remark. John Gordon pointed out that Young’s inability to stop and return to the bag may well have been caused by his weak ankle and, thus, an inability to stop. Just reporting what they said.
Lets hope the Twins can savage the get away game tomorrow afternoon.Good night everyone!
Should read “salvage”.Good night!
Hey Mr. Munson, You’re right. The Twins have already “savaged” the first two games of this series.
Daniel,
No problem.
I don’t doubt that you heard exactly what Gladden said.
I just don’t think the “trailer” is a “routine” play at the MLB level.
If I am wrong, it won’t be my first or last time.
I will be observing the catcher’s actions on bases empty singles to the outfield to prove it to myself.
In the event that a 1Bman has to go back on a texas-leaguer, somebody has to cover first. Whether it be the catcher, pitcher, or second 2Bman is irrelevant…somebody WILL be covering the bag. Who cares if he’s wearing a catcher’s mit or infielder’s glove. The baserunner should know that someone is going to be there.
Get Boof and his stupid looking facial hair out of the rotation. give somebody else a chance to start because Boof cant cut it. I wouldn’t mind us making a trade for a veteran SP towards the all star break. Thats only if the twins are still in the race and thats a big IF!
You know, on the upside, the Twins managed to score 5 runs on a good pitching staff last night. (4 of Halliday, including a homer by Morneau)
That in itself is no small feat. So at least they didn’t get shut down following the Boston series.
Boof’s inability to get off to a good start is definately concerning. And as I mentiond before, at this point I can’t decide if he’d be a candidate for the bullpen or a trade…
I don’t think AAA is the answer, considering out of the Twins rotation (not counting Hernandez) he’s one of the more experienced guys.
The Twins have plenty of pitching, even with Baker and Neshek down. If they could spin Boof for an immediate offensive upgrade at 3B (and preferably something that’s a long term solution) then I think could be one option to consider.
Gardenhire messed up by putting Casilla in the lineup at shortstop. There was no legitimate reason for the substitution. Casilla missed a grounder that should have been caught which led to the big first inning by the Jays. Gardenshire cost the team at least twenty games in 2007 by excessive and unnecessary substitutions to the lineup. It looks like he is returning to his habitual over management of the lineup, at a cost to the team in the standings. Also, it should have become apparent to fans that the hitting coach Joe V. is doing more harm than good. Players are initially hitting the cover off the ball in their first year up to the majors until he starts manipulating their batting stance, swing, and style to the point where their pure abilities are diminished. I believe the players should be able to hit the way they are most comfortable and not constantly have to listen to an over-bearing hitting instructor. I also think the same thing is happening with Anderson and the pitchers. Pitchers like Liriano, Bonser, Garza, Slowey, and Baker have all had outstadning talent that seemed to be diminished by over-coaching.
“In the event that a 1Bman has to go back on a texas-leaguer, somebody has to cover first. Whether it be the catcher, pitcher, or second 2Bman is irrelevant…somebody WILL be covering the bag.”
The only difference is that on the “trailer play”, the catcher will aggressively cut off the batter-baserunner’s return to 1B.
If the “trailer” play is not on, the pitcher will passively cover 1B and become a factor only if the batter-baserunner has run out into “no-man’s land”.
when will carl pohlad read his will laving the twins to the state of minnesota?
Boof seems to have aquired the BRadke 1st inningitis. He needs to start running his 2 seamer in on righties hands early in the count. It would just make his slider better away. Jays must have seen something and caught Delmon slipping, maybe goes back to last year even. Had it in their back pocket. I’m not against giving Casilla a start or two up here to give him a taste before he goes back down. No use having him sit the bench the whole time.
It’s a good thing we don’t have this guy. His teammates seem to hate him.
“That was Manny being Manny,” said Jonathan Van Every, who played alongside Ramirez in center field in his first major league game. “He’s a great entertainer, and he’s a great hitter. That was a phenomenal play to catch the ball, give a high-five to a fan and turn a double play, all in one. I don’t think that’s ever happened before, and I don’t think it will ever happen again.”
“when will carl pohlad read his will laving the twins to the state of minnesota?”
I wouldn’t leave anything to the state of Minnesota. They would just f-ck it up like they do with tax revenues.
The Twins suck.
So much for taking 3 of 4 from Boston.
So who was a worse acquistion. Bret Boone or Delmon Young? What a clown this guy is. Oh how I long for Josh Raabe/Lew ford.
My dad is an architecht
Correction, the Twins really suck
the state of mn should put together a committee for the eventula takeover of the twins.
Carl can continue until the will is read
