Twins Postgame: Slowey, Liriano, Hernandez, Punto and Cuddy
Posted on July 10th, 2008 – 10:35 PMBy La Velle
Kevin Slowey said his struggles on Thursday were similar to his last start at the Dome. The difference is that he made adjustments at the Dome but kept overthrowing against the Tigers on Thursdays.
All of the Tigers’ run-scoring hits - all - came on pitches that Mike Redmond had to reach out of his target zone for.
“My teammates played well without me and our bullpen did and we hit well,” Slowey said. “I just didn’t hold up my end of it.”
Twins manager Ron Gardenhire noted how Detroit starter Kenny Rogers threw softer in tough situations while his young pitchers throw harder. Slowey agreed. “I have to slow down and let pitches take care of themselves.”
Francisco Liriano had his third straight strong start tonight, shutting out Durham for seven innings on three hits with a walk and eight strikeouts. He’s now 7-2 with a 3.53 ERA. He threw 87 pitches.
If my math is correct, Liriano has walked three and struck out 24 over his last three starts. And he’s on a run of 21.1 scoreless innings.
That looks a lot like the stretch the Twins wanted to see before they would consider calling him up. Since he pitched tonight I can’t get reaction to his outing from the club, but I talked to one person at the park today and got the sense that they still wanted to see an extended strong run from him. How long that is I’m unsure.
For the conspiracy theorists, my rough math shows that Liriano should be outside the range of service time needed to qualify for Super-2 arbitration status.
Even if the Twins decided tomorrow that they want Liriano up, who leaves the rotation? I know what you’re thinking: Livan.
There are no signs the Twins are giving up on Hernandez (9-6, 5.44 ERA) , who was hit hard again in Boston on Wednesday. It’s not what you want to hear but that’s the way it is. There are pitchers in baseball who would commit crimes to have nine wins before the All-Star break like Hernandez does. And his problem has mostly been on the road: He’s 7-1 at home.
Hernandez said after Wednesday’s game that he’s usually a second half pitcher - which is true and not so true.
For his career, he’s 80-76 with a 4.56 ERA before the break and 63-58, 3.99 after. Last year, he was 6-6, 5.44 after the break, which isn’t good. In 2006, he was 7-5, 3.61 after the break, which is acceptable.
So I don’t know what to think about Livan’s second half this year. But I do see the Twins giving him several more starts. He’d have to go on a Sidney Ponson-Ramon Ortiz run of negativity before I would expect a change.
Nick Punto is batting .320 but his name in this part of the country might as well be Skoula.
He deserved every boo he got last year when he batted .210. But now it’s time to admit that he’s more like the 2006 version who hit 290. His latest highlight-worthy defensive play came in the second inning today when he hooked up with Justin Morneau for a nifty 3-6 double play.
And Gardenhire said before today’s game that Punto pretty much is an everyday player now. Punto and Casilla cover a lot of ground up the middle. “I like him out there,” Gardenhire said.
Finally, Michael Cuddyer resisted the temptation of going to one of the 73 casinos in this area. He was headed to the movies to see either Hancock or Wall-E. I expect a review tomorrow.
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“His name might as well be Skoula” HAHAHA I love it!
Time to call of the Franchise
Liriano to the rotation, Perkins to the 8th, LNP to learn how to run the bases and make the easy play.
“If my math is correct, Liriano has walked three and struck out 24 over his last three starts. And he’s on a run of 21.1 scoreless innings.”
Wow. The Twins REALLY need to get Liriano back in the rotation. The time is now to bring him up.
Also, I think the Twins need to make a trade with the M’s. I believe that the two biggest needs the Twins face as the season continues are a power hitting everday 3B and a dominating eighth inning reliever.
Imagine all the better pitches Morneau would get with Beltre hitting behind him, and what the 12 punch Nathan and Putz could be.
So why not try and trade for Putz and Beltre??? I do not think that the M’s will be willing to trade both of these players if the offer is right. Putz is a closer and they will not be needing a closer for next few years, and they have Marrow a closer in the making, and Beltre is just a no brainer to get out of the Mariners.
With all this said I think the trade to get this done should possibly be…
Twins trade- Cuddyer,Lamb,Bonser,Harris,prospect and/or maybe Perkins
M’s trade- Putz and Beltre
With Cuddyer being paid 6 million, and Lamb 2, that would make room for Beltre contract.
SP Rotation
Baker
Blackburn
Slowly
Perkins/Livan
Liriano
Lineup
RF-Span
2B-Castilla
C-Mauer
1B-Morneau
3B-Beltre
DH-Kubel
LF-Young
SS-Punto
CF-Gomez
Punto was always solid on defense. See if his good hitting continues. Liriano should be called up, even for long relief - he has nothing more to prove in AAA. It would be very odd to send Span to Rochester when Cuddyer returns. Twins may have to “eat” a salary (Lamb, Monroe, Everett?) and make room for Span.
* I THINK the Mariners will be willing to trade both these players…
Doesn’t Nick Punto’s Contract expire at the end of the season? Any idea if they’ll re-sign him?
The in-field seems like it’s crowded and even more so as the AAA and AA players progress. There’s Punto, Harris, Buscher, Casilla, Lamb, Tolbert, Machado, Macri, Plouffe, and Hughes all trying out for spots next spring training assuming everyone is resigned.
Joshua
The Twins NEED to eat the salary for sure of Lamb,and Everett. I think Monroe contributes to this power laden team.
It’s fun to speculate about trades but getting them done is a different ball game.Most of you probably play fantasy sports,trading in the real world is different.
Geno
I understand that… that is just what i want to happen to make the Twins a legit contender. Get Putz and Beltre, and you have it.
Why not try using Cuddyer at 3rd again? His switch to the outfield was the apparent reason for his improvement in hitting, but his hitting isn’t so good this year anyways. I think they should do it and that way Span is playing every day (he’s doing awesome) and so is Cuddyer (you want your locker room guy playing). Also, send Livan packing and bring Liriano up already. Go with the young guys. They are better and they will be getting experience for the next few years when we are going to be really exciting.
RF Span
2B Casilla
C Mauer
1B Morneau
DH Kubel
3B Cuddyer
LF Young
SS Punto
CF Gomez
Baker
Blackburn
Liriano
Slowey
Perkins
Livan is a placeholder for The Francise. I don’t care if Livan’s ERA is 10.00 as long as he gets wins. Let him eat up innings to reduce the stress on the other pitchers. Meantime, Francisco gets time to perfect his fielding, his pick offs, and other too often overlooked aspects of pitching in the MLB.
If Slowey continues pitching like this Liriano might be replacing him.
I’d prefer to see Span leading off, of course. Something doesn’t look right with Gomez.
What’re they going to do with Everett when he’s ready… how about Tolbert?
They absolutely have to swallow their pride (along with his salary) and cut Lamb. You’re keeping someone who deserves to be here off the roster if you don’t.
You should have posted this earlier, La Velle. Maybe we could have stopped Cuddyer from going to Hancock.
Imagine Bonser and Lamb in the same package. The Mariners should jump all over that one.
My guesses:
When Everrert is healthy they will outright him, and give him his release.
When Tolbert is ready to come off the DL they will leave him in AAA and send Plouffe back to AA ball.
Tolbert and Hughes will be September call ups keeping Hughes from having to be on the 40 man roster.
I wonder what the Twins fans think of a trade of Cuddyer, Humber, and Morales to the Padres for Kevin Kouzmanoff and Greg Maddux?
Maddux would bring a serious leadership role to the rotation and is much more consistant than Hernandez, and Kousmanoff is a very solid power hitting 3rd baseman that needs a fresh start with Headley in San Diego.
SD needs pop in the lineup, Cuddy could bring that. Humber, or anohter of our AA, or AAA starting pitchers would secure Kouzmanoff, and by trading away Cuddy’s 3 year contract, the Twins would only be on the hook for about 5-7 million dollars of Maddux sallary this year… plus bringing in a Hall of Fame ground ball pitcher to a team with this defense could be huge!!!
Most horrible trade idea I have ever seen, and that’s saying something around here. “The Mariner’s won’t need a closer for a few years” was my favorite line.
Almost as good is the Twins taking Beltre’s contract.
I just read more and laughed again. Anytime you propose a trade with all the players you don’t want, and think it sounds like a good deal, you should think again.
Although if I’m the Mariners, I guess the best way to build is to take on worthless Mike Lamb, struggling Bonser and Perkins, and throw Brenden Harris in and you have found the way to rebuild a team.
Only slightly more unlikely than the possiblility that Maddux would even accept a trade to Minnesota. He’ll retire before accepting a trade from his home in SD… much less to the AL.
Cuddyer watching Wall-E? I don’t buy it. You must have gotten faulty information. Check your sources. 
Putz and Beltre from the Mariners does sound intriguing, but I like Buscher a lot. I was also under the impression that the 3rd base job was his, but now Harris is playing 3rd against lefties. But I have to wonder … Would the M’s even be willing to consider trading them? And if they are, just how much would the Twins have to part with? I think that most times, the best trades are the ones that don’t happen.
I could go either way on this. I do like the idea of getting Beltre and Putz, but I wouldn’t mind the team sticking with it’s youth. Especially if they had to give up a lot to get those two players. I have a sneaky suspicion that the team won’t do a trade like this and stick with the youth. Though they might go for a stud reliever to help the bullpen out a bit.
I also think Lamb should be traded - not so much because he’s some sort of a liability, but because he’s a good guy, a vet, and he deserves to play somewhere. Unfortunately, with so many left handed bats here, his playing time is limited.
As far as Lirano goes, my take has always been that the Twins will play “wait and see” until one of the current pitchers gets hurt (starter or reliever), then he will suddenly be deemed ready to go. Somebody will have to suck a lot more than they already do before they go down. I also think it’s important to keep in mind that he’s putting up these awesome numbers at AAA. All the young arms we have up right now also put up awesome numbers at AAA - Slowy especially - and they all took a while to adjust to the majors. I can’t imagine Lirano would be any different. No matter how bad Hernadez may seem, he was brought in to eat up innings and give the bullpen a break. Even though he’s been roughed up quite a bit, he’s been giving the Twins innings and nobody can deny that.
I must admit, it’s getting harder and harder to ignore Lirano’s numbers though.
Since we’re talking trades here, I have a couple of possibilities that might be do-able down the line. I don’t think they need to do them, but this is a personal satisfaction thing. I posted something along this line on another Twins site, but I think it’s worth repeating.
After everything that went down last winter with Santana and what’s happened with the Yankees so called youth movement, I think Cashman is through in New York. His contract is up and I think it won’t get renewed. He got pretty cozy with the Red Sox GM last winter and I think that is where he will end up.
If Cashman goes, so goes the voice of reason. Hanky Panky goes back to doing what he does best: overspending on overpriced all stars. Joba and Wang are already locked up. I see him throwing crazy money at Pettitte and Mussina to resign, then making a play at Sabathia.
Notice that two names are missing off that list? I think Hughes and/or Kennedy could become available in the very near future.
I don’t think of either pitcher as gotta haves, for me it’s a personal satisfaction thing. After everything that went down last winter, I think it would be real cool to wind up with one or both pitchers that were so untouchable then.
Just a peek into some of the things I think about during the day when I’m supposed to be working.
You think Maddux would retire before taking a shot at another playoffs, or possibly a world series? He is only signed through this season, and would be a free agent to go back to SD next season at 46 years old if he wants to… but I think you under-estimate his desire to play in the post season.
You want to be able to trade Boof?
You might be able to trade him to the Texas Rangers who are in dire need of starting pitchers. Other than that, you’d have to trade him for a low level prospect at best.
As for trading Mike Lamb… to trade him you would have to probably take on an even worse contract. At best he could bring you a worthless player like Drew Butera (one of Terry Ryan’s all time worst trades).
As for Beltre and Putz…
The Mariners won’t trade Putz… and Beltre isn’t worth what we’d have to give up for him. His pop in the bat is probably corked since he hasn’t had much success since he was probably roided up in his final season with the Dodgers…
I would however like to see the Twins put an offer on Richie Sexson… if he could come in here and be backup 1B/DH then designate Lamb for assignment, and if he refuses pay him next year’s salary in the cut, and take it on the chin.
The Twins need a good reliever or two.
3B rotates acceptably with Buscher/Harris/Macri…….and Lamb ain’t quite totally out of the picture yet.
Breslow/Bass/Boof don’t quite cut it. Not horrible, but there will be days. Probably with Reyes too.
If you can land an outstanding 3B, why not — go for it. But the pen is the place to focus.
Livan is needed- at least as long as he’s pitching this good- for veteren presence and to eat up innings.
Lamb…needs a fresh start (in the NL)
Everett…Why do we need him back?
Punto is doing VERY well (for Punto).
Richie Sexen(?) released by the M’s…interesting.
Bonds is still out there…
Dunn would be the best possible bat available…
Brian Roberts would be good…
Span needs to lead off- Gomez 9th. (At least for now)
They willn’t trade Cuddy after just signing a new contract- but do Twins fans honestly want him back right now?]
Beltre could be an intriuging(?) option…
How about a trade with Texas- Bradley, Kinsler, etc. Texas always has lots of hitting…
Mark Texiera(?) could be available for the right price…
The Twins can play teams as good as they are/worse pretty well. They can play division opponents pretty well. They play at home very well. It’s when small market Twins go to Boston, New York, The Los Angeles Angels of Anneheim of California of the planet Earth in the Milky Way galaxy etc. where their holes become glaring. The Red Sox were proof (actually just a reminder) of that. They can play them tough, but seem to come up on the wrong end more times than not. The other teams got the BIG money to spend and the REAL talent. Sure we have our 3 all-stars. Besides that this team is made up of local favorites- not REAL talent. The (not so Devil) Rays experience similar problems (as proof that the Twins are not the only ones in this boat). They play well at home, but even when they go to Boston/New York, they struggle as well. Facing truely better teams REALLY brings out your weaknesses. Twins need AT LEAST one big stick, one reliever, and one starter if they want to win it all. Maybe two big sticks (could depend on how Young’s season goes). Sorry to be Mr. Reality Check there, but are hot streak was against some less than good teams- San Diego, AZ, CLE, Washington… The Brewers were the best of the bunch. Then along comes a Very Good team (Boston, duh) and sweeps us. We might be able to make the playoffs, but I wouldn’t put expectations on the Twins to win once/if they get there.
What do you give up for (potentially) nothing?
Livan is needed- at least as long as he’s pitching this good-
If this is considered good, I’m terrified to see what bad is.
and Beltre isn’t worth what we’d have to give up for him. His pop in the bat is probably corked since he hasn’t had much success since he was probably roided up in his final season with the Dodgers…
http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/
I am officially a Punto supporter now. He was god-awful last year, but hey, this is a new year. Gotta give the guy his props. He’s earned them.
I also gotta think that Span is gonna stick now. He has shown some very good plate discipline, and quite frankly, Delmon and Gomez need to take note of what Span and Casilla are doing when they are at bat. Those young guys are putting together some excellent at-bats, and that can’t be a bad thing.
I think that once Cuddy is back, he will be seeing some bench time, since I don’t see them pulling Span right now. If it does happen, I fully expect them to end the Young in Left experiment. Young would probably play better in right, he has the arm to play it. Span can move to left, where his weaker arm isn’t going to be exposed as severely as in right.
That is one heck of a fast outfield right now. Span, Gomez and Young.(you commenter’s that keep saying Young is slow, well, you are just plain wrong)
Cuddy, I have a job for you, once you start your rehab in the minors, why don’t you test out your arm at third for a few days, see how you like it 
You just may end up there yet.
thanks lavelle for backing punto! he may not be worthy of a starting role, but is a tremendously valuable role player with his speed, glove, and occasion big game like yesterday. he’s earned the starting ss role kind of by default, so let’s back off and see what he can do for 1/2 a season. stop hating!!
All of the Tigers’ run-scoring hits - all - came on pitches that Joe Mauer had to reach out of his target zone for.
Boy, those must’ve been some bad pitches…since I think Mauer spent the first 8 innings of the game yesterday in the dugout. 
I can’t blame you for the mistake though. Going into the 7th inning the story of the game was an ugly start and some baserunning blunders.
Probably had to do a quick rewrite when Mauer and Morneau went to work late in the game.
I don’t like the Richie Sexson rumors, as looking at his numbers this season it smacks of Boone/Nevin style aquisitions. And since he’s either 1B or DH he’s either taking play time from Morneau (insane) or Kubel (slightly less insane)
The Twins need a guy that can come into the everyday lineup without displacing anybody already producing (Morneau, Mauer, Kubel, even Young)
3B is the best option, as the platoon of Buscher/Harris may produce hits…but not the kind of power the team could use from that spot.
I think if you have a solid 3B with pop, you can “afford” to move Punto out of the everyday lineup. OR if Punto truly has his confidence back, you can absorb the lack of power from SS with the upgrade at 3B.
Harris has 4 homers? Don’t know if that’s really “power”. And Punto can get XBHs, provided he doesn’t run himself into outs.
I think he’s just so excited to be back on base he forgets what to do once he’s there.
interesting question who makes more baserunning mistakes PUNTO or GOGO?
Punto by far.
Still waiting for La Velle’s response to the question: Will Michael Cuddyer ever return to the 2006 form we’ve been missing for a year and a half?
La Velle went on KFAN a couple weeks ago and blindly predicted that Cuddy was about to come on and really start hitting again.
So which was it–wishful thinking, or is there really a reason we should make room for him once the injury subsides?
Well I have enjoyed reading these comments this morning. And yes I would have to say I do like a few of them as well. But, unless your name is Bill Smith current GM of the Twins, I would say do not plan on any trade coming soon. So its ok to talk about a trade to help this club and we all know they could use it. However, B/S has said that this team has no glaring needs at this time! Does anybody really know what he is talking about…?
Punto has earned the starting SS position. I will feel alot more comfortable when Tolbert returns to the Twins. He is as solid as you can get coming off the bench to play SS, 2B ,3B or pinch hitting/running in a late situation. IMO Lamb, Everett and Monroe’s day are numbered now.
“Nick Punto is batting .320 but his name in this part of the country might as well be Skoula”
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Probably one of the best comments I have heard in a long time!!!
Jason, I think Cuddy was about to come on, then he hurt himself again.
And I dunno if I’d cut Monroe. The guy’s come up big in PH situations, which is something the Twins sorely lacked the last few years (c’mon, Rodriquez off the bench?)
I think they need him still. Lamb can be replaced by Buscher (at worst a wash), and Everett can just stay on the “DL” through September.
Trav at 6:37 am said:
“Thanks Lavelle for backing Punto! he may not be worthy of a starting role, but is a tremendously valuable role player with his speed, glove, and occasion big game like yesterday. he’s earned the starting ss role kind of by default, so let’s back off and see what he can do for 1/2 a season. stop hating!!” You echo my thoughts, precisely. I’m glad LaVelle put out the good word, too. I’ve said it before, Punto is a CLASS ACT, with greatest infield skills I’ve ever seen. On the “trades” topic: I agree that what works in fantasy ball has no analogue in the real world. ‘Nuff said.
“I think Cuddy was about to come on, then he hurt himself again.”
I think he pretty much had come on. His June numbers were pretty respectable:
24 games with 79AB = .291BA/.385OBP/.481SLG with 6 doubles and 3 triples. Only one HR but I’d imagine power is the last thing to come back after spitting your finger open like a peanut.
Thanks for the stats “…”
One has to wonder, would it be beneficial to let Cuddy take as much time as he needs to rehab this season, and make some moves to bolster the lineup in his absence?
The Twins could use a healthy Cuddy (if his June numbers are an indication of him getting back to it) but I don’t know if they can afford to let him rehab his swing in the everday lineup.
It will be interesting to see if Boof can pitch himself into a set up roll opposite Crain. He throws hard and only ptiching one or two innings he can eat whatever he wants.
It’s time to let Lamb and Everett go. I don’t think they were a bad idea at the time, but they’ve played themselves out of spots that others have played themselves into.
Get it through your heads posters: Liriano is NOT going to be called up for long relief duty. They see him as a starting pitcher and ONLY a starter at this point. You can clamor for the relief role all you want, but that is just going to be text in this blog which will not come to fruition at this point. The mgmt. wants Liriano as a starter on this team. Time to accept that fact…..
What could we throw together to get Everyday Eddie(setup) and Blaylock from the Rangers. Would Cuddy, Lamb and Perkins work? Is that too much/not enough?
nothing like over reacting to a few good games! nicky has 100 ab’s so a couple good days and his average will jump 30 points. span has 61 ab’s so maybe temper all the giddyness (not sure if that’s a word). long season many ups and downs. casilla is close to 200 ab’s and has been in a slow steady decline in ave. but if it settles in even close to where he is that is great, with some great clutch hitting. when nicky and span have another 100 ab’s and they keep this up than it’s time to get excited.
smith go get beltre, take on his 18 m owed but give them lamb’s 4m to help plus whatever prospects you have to and get liriano up and send livan packing can’t afford to dilly dally when each game lost may be the one that keeps you out of the playoffs.
I highly doubt the Twins want to dump Monroe. Kubel is not even close to being a full-time player!
I think we all can agree that Bonser needs to go and probably Lamb.
While we’d all like to see J.J. Putz and Adrian Beltre playing for the Twins, there’s certainly a huge price for one of them, but an astronomical price for both.
Livan has had a huge impact on the young starters’ development about how to pitch, regardless of his own effectiveness or lack thereof. Trying to dump him would send the wrong signal in the clubhouse. Everett isn’t taking up a 25-man roster spot right now, so dumping him won’t solve anything. Monroe has also been noted as a clubhouse guy who can give a little bit of power off the bench, and Lamb has a two-year contract. These guys aren’t going anywhere.
Remember Joe C’s post about Gomez going back down to AAA? I think Cuddyer coming off the DL would be a good time to do that. Span has outplayed him as a leadoff hitter and is the same defensively. He already has as many walks in his short time as Gomez has had all season - he’s hitting 100 points higher and while I don’t know off the top of my head, his OBP is probably 150 to 200 points higher. I want THAT guy hitting leadoff, not a guy who strikes out on five pitches in the dirt.
The bullpen should be fixed before the Twins go get a big bat. Offense wasn’t the problem in Boston. The team had the chance to win actually all three games, and the bullpen fell apart in the last two. You’ll lose 1-0 games: that happens. But losing after being up 5-2 shouldn’t and they couldn’t stop the bleeding on Wednesday.
If anyone else made all the the baserunning gaffes that LNP has been making, Gardy would sit their arse on the bench.
Kay- If Gardy sat down all the guys who have made baserunning mistakes in the past week he’d have no one to play.Span,Gomez and Casilla have also made baserunning blunders recently.I guess they can be given a lttle slack for being rookies.
I have been harping on Gardenhire to steal more with the 4X100 relay team of Punto,D-Span Go-Go,and Casilla,but I think Gardenhire needs to be calling the shots on these steals.Letting the Rookies have the green light all the time doesn’t seem to smart.
Kay, Punto runs into outs, but that’s what happens when you are an aggressive baserunner. The definition of being aggressive is taking a risk, especially if the reward is a bigger payoff. I can’t recall him making the first or third out at third or the second out at home, but maybe I’m wrong.
Punto is having a good year so far, and deserves to play, no matter if you think Gardy has a man-crush o him. He also is a leader in the clubhouse.
Duane,
“I think we all can agree that..”
IMO that is setting the bar WAY to high for us.
And how many “caught stealing” have we seen in the past 4-5 games instead of actual steals? Steals can be a tad hyped (especially on our team) IF Gomez ever gets on base, he shouldn’t be looking to steal 2nd every time (same w/ Casilla) that’s why you bat Mauer and Morneau behind them… let them move them over…
Kay: LNP never does wrong in Gardy’s eyes… and they aren’t “mistakes”, it’s called “hustle”
***SARCASM*****
“….bonds is still out there.”
Oh yeah, that one is going to happen.
Getting thrown out by 5 feet is not aggressive, it’s stupid baserunning. And Gardy has had the Gomez and Casilla spend some time on the bench. He has started LNP every time.
I think the Twins can win with a formula of pitching,speed and defense,especially in a post-steroid era.But they have to find one more power threat(be it Young or Cutty),to protect Justin.Young to right,Span to left and rotate Cuddy in a out,make sense.Other than trying to trade Lamb or Livan when Lirano is ready,i’d stand pat unless Seattle,Texas or SD panics and gives away mentioned players
Gardy would sit their arse on the bench.
Morneau’s had some ugly baserunning in the past. But that’s either been written off as Ulger/White/Gardy’s fault or ignored because of his bat.
It’s a good thing the Twins don’t have that problem so Gardy’s forced to prove you wrong/right. And quite frankly, I’d rather not see him have to make that decision.
span rf
casilla 2b
mauer c
morneau 1b
beltre 3b
young lf
cuddyer dh
punto ss
gomez cf
bench…redmond, monroe, harris, buscher
trade the one dimensional kubel, do whatever with lamb, everett
but beltre would solve alot of problems in this lineup….
Long story short: I didn’t like the idea of Punto starting on a regular basis any more than the next guy. But he’s shown that his confidence is back and that he can get hits in big situations.
He makes running gaffes, but Young makes fielding gaffes. Mauer hits into DPs. It happens. To treat it like it’s just another sign of favortism is riddicluous, as Gardy has overlooked gaffes by other guys in the lineup time and time again.
I’d also rather see Punto on the bench, but I can’t argue with his numbers since he’s been in the lineup. Do I want him starting everyday next year? Not really. But if he keeps this up, I’d be willing to accept hte Twins bringing him back as a bench option (unless Tolbert shows he can be the same thing for cheaper)
Kay-Gardy said Punto had to earn his playing time,i think he’s done that(or does he have to be hitting 400 to please some of you).He has been thrown out granted boy at least he’s getting on!
as young as this team is, we can afford to trade off some of the deep farm system we have,as each year it comes up with new faces also, so i say get the lineup i have posted a few spots back and then we need to add maybe 2 fresh arms to that bullpen …maybe bass and breslow are not up to the pennant run, but find at least one more stud to add
(or does he have to be hitting 400 to please some of you)
As we’ve seen recently, not even a high average can spare a guy (see: Mauer, Joe)
I heard an announcer today on ESPN say that Punto is the Twins most athletic player
i would say most magical with a glove, but athletic, im not so sure…mauer is pretty athletic, and im sure one of those pitchers or two are pretty good also..by the way …who cares????
Jimmy, I think they also said that he was the best infielder.
The guy is a human highlight reel, however, I do think that he does hotdog abit, and that is exactly what Gardy sent Casilla back to the minors to “fix”. Gardy seems to have different sets of rules for rooks and vets. That being said, I personally feel that Punto needs to start, at least until his bat cools way off.
I don’t think the Beltre move is gonna happen. Don’t think that they are going to take on that kind of salary, even though they are well below last years right now.
get us beltre….we need to start the fan campaign for the stretch run….beltre and a pitcher and bring up liriano in about 2 weeks….
Does anyone think that Richie Sexson is a good possible acquisition? We could sign him for league minimum and have Seattle eat most of his contract
these young pitchers have pitched their guts out this year and the f.o. owes it to them to put the best possible team on the field to back them up and win this thing for them and of course us…to hell with waiting for 2010, thats the biggest crock of s___ ive heard in a long time..start now for gods sake..none of us are even guaranteed 2010
mj1 Beltre only produces during contract years so after this year he will go back to his 260 BA with 9 HR’s for the next years till another contract year comes up. He is not healthy all the time. Stay away, stay very far away
not a chance to sexon…..gotta go all out and get the best…we have done enough with crapshoot bandaids…we have 2-3 now we have to dump some how
jimmy bee..i would take my chances…did you read that article listed back aways on beltre ..posted at 4:34am
mj1 we will be going to see the new stadium in 2010 and not the team. I think the new team will be like seeing the Minnesota Royals.
Sexson would basically only be a bench option. Basically, he was Seattle’s version of Monroe. I doubt that Sexson is going to be a Twin, since he really can’t play a position that we need, so no, I don’t think he’s going to be a Twin.
BTW, isn’t this type of acquisition the same type that everyone keeps complaining about? “Why is it the only players the Twins pick up are other team’s castoffs” ???
the 2010 team should be a very mature, and still young bunch of studs by then…gomez might even know how to handle himself and young maybe popping 25-30 by then…and this staff should be awesome by then….pretty good outlook for 2010 if all goes well and injuries dont take over…
I still am wondering what will happen with all the Twins outfielders
See above who stays and who goes is what I want to know. Get rid of Young and BS looks like a baboon. Get rid of Cuddy and then why did we offer him a contract. I would like to see Cuddy at 3rd and move DY to RF move Span to CF Gomez goes to LF
jimmy i think they will just do some type of rotation or dh and days off..or play the hot guy, etc - good article by howard today that got into this so called problem…..very good article
congrats to royals for knocking off sox…do it again tonite please
I heard an announcer today on ESPN say that Punto is the Twins most athletic player
I heard that too, I think it was Steve Philips. I just shook my head and went back to what I was doing.
Punto is playing well, but to say he’s the “most” anything with the Twins (aside from “hated by fans”) is a stretch.
But keep in mind its ESPN, the same network who feels David Eckstein is truly the best player on whatever team he goes to.
“Beltre only produces during contract years…”
This is stupid, but even if it’s true, next year is a contact year for Beltre. He’s signed through 2009.
“he will go back to his 260 BA with 9 HR’s for the next years till another contract year…”
Beltre hit 25 HRs in 2006, 26 HRs in 2007, and has 16 so far in 2008.
And that’s while playing half his games in Safeco Field, which is pretty tough on RH hitters. His road splits over the past three years:
2006: .283/.343/.462
2007: .288/.320/.538
2008: .293/.368/.473
He’s a RH hitter who hits LH pitching well, which is something the Twins really need.
“He is not healthy all the time”
He’s played 156 or more games in each of the last six seasons, except 2007, when he played 149 games.
Do you just pull stuff out of your arse, jimmee, or do you intentionally fabricate?
The “most athletic” title requires definition criteria.
Mauer was National HS player of the year in baseball AND football.
Gomez can run like Jose Reyes and jump like Torii.
I think Punto’s noticable athleticism is his gymnastic ability to avoid being taken out on a DP pivot. He compares to a shortstop whom I coached that literally was impossible to prevent from completing the DP.
He would side-leap or vertical-jump (or fly?) and do it so quickly that the baserunner could not touch him.
It was like trying to tackle Barry Sanders.
I don’t know if Punto can do all that, but it’s one of his skills that I would call “athleticism”.
That’s very true sane, but in that case I feel the word “agile” may be a better fit than straight up “athletic”.
Of course, “athletic” is just a very generic word to be throwing around.
How many times do the Twins have to spout out the “Cuddyer will NOT go back to third base” line? He wasn’t good at third base; he was atrocious. He’s a fantastic right fielder for the purposes of the Dome because he knows the baggy in and out. Span clearly has problems with the corner still, and Delmon would too. That’s evidenced by Matt Joyce’s triple (should have been a double, Span played it terribly off the corner… not necessarily his fault, but a mistake Cuddyer wouldn’t have a made) and also the catch against Cleveland that Span dropped when he jumped backwards into the baggy.
Cuddyer’s staying in right field.
As for Beltre, I’m all for it. Bring him on, or bring over Kevin Kouzmanoff (cheaper, younger, also MASHES lefties, and is available, according to SD).
However, referring to Tyler’s post awhile back…
“Twins trade- Cuddyer,Lamb,Bonser,Harris,prospect and/or maybe Perkins
M’s trade- Putz and Beltre”
You think the Mariners would give up Putz AND Beltre for THAT? Lamb and Harris are going to weigh that deal down, and the Mariners are going to have to rebuild, so taking on Cuddyer’s contract is hardly going to get them there, especially when he can’t stay healthy this year and hasn’t put up squat for numbers since 2006.
Besides, Cuddyer is a vocal clubhouse leader and fan favorite. The Twins aren’t going to trade him because Denard Span has played well for 2 weeks.
If someone gets traded, it’s probably going to be Span anyway. Though I agree that Boof still has market value, despite his struggles. I’m sure there’s teams who would like to take a shot at turning him around, and the Twins certainly don’t seem to have a place for him. Reminds me of Kyle Lohse… though the decision to dump him looks pretty foolish right now based on his year in St. Louis…
“Do you just pull stuff out of your arse, jimmee, or do you intentionally fabricate?”
I’m guessing “all of the above”.
Just say no to Sexon and Beltre. Why do we want the Mariners garbage? Might as well go get Silva again at that rate.
Go get Kevin K from the Padres, he is there for the taking.
Release the Astro Twins.
Kubel can DH and let Span, Gomez, and Cuddy play in the outfield. You can always mix and match this group with the DH to give Kubel some left field play or use Buscher or Monroe as DH occasionally.
Tolbert can stay in AAA until Punto makes some insane defensive play and gets hurt.
Plouffe isn’t ready for the Big leagues for a minimum of 2 more years, maybe 3.
Whoever said Drew Butera was the worst trade by Ryan, nailed it. And I’m a big TR supporter.
Something has to be done about the relievers. Trade for a set up guy or starter. The porblem is set up guys are all over priced.
Punto is what he is. Unfortunately, he is their best option at SS on this team.
Young and Gomez have multiple options left, while I believe Span still has 2009 as an options year. That’s our team’s 5 OFers for 2009 and 2010 and all the options give us flexibility.
Sexton has at least been mashing LH pitching and seems like a better option than Monroe as our PH RH specialist… plus, he reminds me of a thin, tall, white Don Baylor!… OK, that’s just crazy talk.
Tolbert won’t see a major league field until Sept.
Everett has started rehab… 20 days from now he will be cut. Lamb will be cut. Monroe will be cut if Cuddy returns healthy and we pick up Sexton at league minimum.
Cuddy situation (not producing what we expected for last 1 1/2 yrs) is difficult to take.
Lots of interesting comments. The Twins need a set up guy and could use a power-hitting 3rd baseman. I don’t know if the Rockies are still shopping Garrett Atkins (his back up, Baker, is a really good young player), but he would look awfully good in a Twins uniform, batting 4th.
I know we are stuck with him like a bad rash, but I really wish the Twins would trade Mr. Swing at the First Pitch No Matter Where it is Pitched, “Double Play Delmon” (he is spectacularly awful, no matter what the numbers say).
Not sure why there is so much Drew Butera resentment. By the way, the Twins will be calling up a third catcher come Sept. 5 (after AAA season is over). Morales is injured, often injured, and not considered the game caller that the Twins want.
I predict that Butera, the career Mendoza minor league hitter that he is, will get the call in Sept. and be their 3rd catcher on the 40-man for 2009.
What are the other options? Jeff Cristy? Possibly Ryan Jorgenson… probably Ryan, but I like to shake a tree and see what falls.
Going after Sexson is stupid. He is less versatile than Monroe, hits into more double plays, and strikes out the same amount. He has the longest loopiest swing with lots of holes in it, and there’s no reason to take a flyer on a sub-mediocre player and cut anyone on a team that despite being swept by Boston is still playing well.
Bullpen bullpen bullen - if they’re gonna sign anyone, it should be someone for the bullpen. The lineup is good and clicking.
“Do you just pull stuff out of your arse, jimmee, or do you intentionally fabricate”
All of the above ROFL ROFL ROFL
Where in the world is BC of ND. I really liked that play of Punto’s yesterday with the tag. I’ve never seen that one before
The New and Improved Craig has been missing as well
Throughout this thread there are complaints against the Twins’ baserunning. Whether it be LNP and his over-aggressiveness, or the base-stealing efforts of Span & Gomez, et cetera.
The issue, I think, is that the Twins are somewhat locked into a one-run mentality. For the most part, with good pitching and normal conditions, one run means something. But this past week in Boston, in Fenway, playing for one run (and running the bases so as to maximize one-run strategies) was mostly a losing proposition. In game 1 the Twins just never hit the ball with men in scoring position. In G2 on Tuesday, they for some odd reason played for one run in the 9th down 1, where the maxim (for good reason) is Play for the win on the road, play for the tie at home. The Twins played for the tie on the road after a leadoff double, and got nothing. Unclear whether they would have gotten anything playing for a big inning against Papelbon despite the double, but refusing to show faith in your hitters puts more pressure on the hitters to deliver, reducing the odds from 1 of 3 to 1 of 2, and that’s a huge amount even in a limited sample.
In short, even when the Twins are in slugfests like G3 on Wednesday afternoon you have players like Punto agressively playing for one run, when one run in what turned out to be an 18-5 afternoon, not the way to go about your business. Somewhat similar yesterday in G1 in Detroit, where the Twins played on the bases for 1 run several times, and it bit them. Results overall were good, but you’re not going to have 3 guys get 12 hits and delivery a team like what happened in yesterday’s 7-6 victory very often.
Craig has been missing, and so have all the herb/walt/…. peeps. Wonder if that is in any way related?
mauer gets crap for not swinging at the first pitch and young gets crap for swinging at it.
guess that’s fairly typical for a blog.
“odds” in my usage = opportunities
USAChief yes Beltre did have those #’s he also had 19 HR’s and a .255 BA in 2005. In 2001 he hit .265 with 13 HR’s. In 2002 he had a .257 avg with 21 HR’s. In 2003 Beltre had a whopping .240 avg. In 2006 he yhad a .268 avg. Currently he is batting .256. Hey ChiefUSA I sure can pull crap out of the old arse.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2003034196_mari02.html
Ahem, well, until later in the 18-5 rout, it wasn’t a route.
The Twins were probably well served to peck at that lead, and were doing well the way they were attacking it.
The Sox got several big plays to squelch the rallies, but hey, isn’t that what good teams are supposed to do, get the big plays? It would seem that the Twins ran into a buzz-saw in Boston, and left with their tail between their legs, however, it didn’t take long for them to pull it right back out.
Nice thing about another game right away, it doesn’t give the players long to dwell on what happened because they are already putting together a game-plan for the next game. The Twins aren’t going to win many slug-fests, but that small-ball approach to getting runs has been very effective this year, there is absolutely no way that can be denied, since the proof is in stats.
Nothing wrong with attempting to get that runner home that is on the bases already, is there? How can you say it is a bad thing to get that runner home by playing small-ball? If a guy gets to second with nobody out, I would bunt him over, simply since from 3rd, a fly ball more times than not would score the run, especially if the guys up to bat are contact hitters.
Again, the Twins have shown excellent results this year from EXACTLY this type of play, and if it is working, why should they change it? Oh yeah, thats right, they aren’t hitting homers.
Over-aggressive baserunning is not the same as stupid baserunning.
When Punto came home on the first-and-third situation down four runs late in the game, thats not “over-aggressive”.
If he thought he was disrupting a double play threat, he was delusional.
That being said, the Twins have to remain a very aggressive baserunning team. Just don’t accept “stupid” or “suicidal” by blanketing those plays with the “over-aggressive” tag.
jimmy the key stat is he’d be 1st in hr’s 16 and 2nd in rbi with 46 if he played for the twins and would be a far better fielder than what we have and by far the better hitter.
imo what he hit 01 and 02 doesn’t count much today!
sane speaking of weather. I really like all the hail damage my friends and I are getting this year. I could deal with a little heat and smog on the old Pasadena freeway over golf ball sized hail hitting me in the head while I am being eaten by bat sized mosquito’s.
Hey, Jimmy, past results don’t guarantee future ones. Hmm, where have we heard that before.
Oh, yeah, Span is actually having a pretty good time right now. Oh, yeah, Casilla is actually doing pretty good right now. Oh, yeah, Punto is doing pretty good right now too. How many of us could have predicted that coming into this year bases on previous results? Not many I would think. Nice thing about baseball, what you did last year really doesn’t impact what you can do this year, since, well, it was last year.
01, 02 are a distant memory for Beltre, and quite honestly, if we wouldn’t want a player that had poor stats back then, well, how many of our young players would even be on this squad since many weren’t even in the minors yet at that time??
The Twins are the #3 scoring team in the AL. There has been a transformation. Like generals fighting the last war, however, the Twins managerial strategy is still focused on one-run, whereas in fact the Twins are putting together big innings (3+) regularly. And the Twins quite obviously have one of the better hitting lineups in either league. Quite a pleaseant revelation to Twins fans.
However, there is still this, Must_Get_One_Run idea that is getting in the way now_and_then. Playing for one run down one in the 9th after a leadoff double on the road, a very difficult tactic to support. Leadoff man hits a double? Show some faith in the next guy to swing away and come through against the pitcher, too. If nothing else, he could pull the ball to advance the runner, but don’t just give away an out! Not in this current age of offense, and definitely don’t play for a tie on the road in the 9th down a run. Maybe your own guys (Span, in this case, but any of’em) will surprise you. But you have to give the players a chance.
GGG how bout the current .256 avg. I took all of Beltre’s avg’s and deducted his asteric year and divided it by the number of years and got a career .259 hitter. I can not justify paying that much for Beltre. Next I will do his HR avg’s minus the asteric year.
jimmy getting hit in the head with a golf ball explains some of your posts!
(sorry couldn’t help myself just kidding)
18.5 hr’s avg if he quit playing right now. I guess my point is I would much preffer Atkins over Beltre.
gobbledygookguy says:
July 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
jimmy getting hit in the head with a golf ball explains some of your posts!
(sorry couldn’t help myself just kidding)
GGG LOL. The head shots I could care less about. It was the damage to my truck and not getting a single penny from State Farm that got me.
How is Beltre the “Mariners’ garbage?” Wow…
And I know it’s a small sample, but I’d be ok with this…
Beltre’s career numbers at the Metrodome:
.340/.340/.603 (18-53), 3 HR, 5 2B
Beltre can do everything the Twins emphasize… good defense, stolen base threat, can hit to all fields. His contract is huge, but the Mariners might be willing to eat some of that anyway. Besides, we paid Hunter $12MM and I don’t think that Beltre’s level of production would be any worse.
probably why atkins would cost more he doesn’t have a big contract and it’s carl’s money.
jimmy what’s an asteric year?
GGG look at 2004 with LA compared with every other year
jimmy i’m worried about what he could do for us right now and next yr. i really don’t care about past yrs.
His 2004 season should not even count. Those #’s for that year jump out at me like a sore thumb. Give em Liriano for Atkins and throw in Lamb
Hart, it sure would be nice to play for the win, but the fact remains, in order to win, you need to tie it first. The chances that a ball will fly over the wall for the Twins is pretty poor (lucky the Twins have Morney, or they would be god awful bad), so they need to get the runner across any way they can. If it seems like a poor way to accomplish the act, well, it probably is, but sometimes you need to play with what you got to work with. It seem so far this year that the Twins have done pretty good at using what they have to use.
Phillip Wellman blowup is to funny
Jimmy, I just love on here how some people say, hey, those numbers shouldn’t count.
Truth is, the stats combine overall to make the complete picture. You can talk about asterisk all you want, but fact is, he put those numbers up. Maybe had some help doing it with some substances, but the results still stand.
This year, the Twins are doing really well using their philosophy of attacking the ball.
Run production around the majors is down this year, and any players that are doing well, well, those guys are going to be in demand.
Beltre would be a good fit, but I simply don’t see them making the move, it just doesn’t fit the Ryan plan. I know that Smith is the GM now, but how many people honestly don’t think that Ryan has any input?
I would LOVE to see a good hitting 3rd baseman come in here. It would plug the hole that is staring at us. Nothing wrong with taking on a high dollar short term contract. It is exactly what this team needs to do. They have the available money. They have the position of need. The team would have a third power-threat in the lineup.
Odds are, the team would have a definite lift.
Yeah, I wanna do it, but I find it hard to believe that it would happen.
Only thing that bothers me about it, what happens to all the young guys when they bring in a high priced player? Does it cause some discord in the clubhouse, or does it bolster confidence?
Me Too watch the Phillip Wellman video. Would sane do that?
all this talk of trading for a power hitting 3rd baseman is about 2 years premature.. this team is not a legit contender for the WS this year no reason to trade unless it is someone like Livan for rebuilding prospects
Hey, I was watching the Twins squeeze play from yesterday, and it seems like I also got the the Redwings squeeze play recorded too, kinda neat seeing the minorleague players in that setting.
It seems our AAA team is suffering from some of the same boneheaded running issues that we have seen from our guys up here. Macri got thrown out after wondering off 3rd base because of a wild pitch for the second out of the inning. Stupid, stupid, stupid play.
Jimmy, I don’t think I would even do that. Dang, that honestly looked rather immature. Ha, I bet some of the players couldn’t keep from laughing, and I am sure the Umps actually had a hard time containing it too.
Wonder what his fine is going to be after that.
And we thought Gardy has a problem with anger management 
Fire, what would you consider to be a reasonable move under the talk of it being a rebuilding year, and not a contending year?
Would it make sense to trade away our only real veteran pitcher when all we have after that are young, inexperienced pitchers? Sure, we could bring up Liriano, but what does it do to the performance of the starters (I know, I know, at least Livan won’t set a record for most hits allowed)?
Does it effect them in more than just a mentoring way? Gotta understand that these guys are basically just kids, and sometimes kids need a calming influence, and that coms from experience.
I personally doubt that Livan gets moved, no matter the circumstance. If he gets relegated to the bullpen, so be it. This team has a problem at third, and in the bullpen. Third can get solved rather cheaply in the terms of talent being given up, however, the bullpen, as seen from prior trades, can be very, very costly in terms of talent being given up.
I don’t see any move of substance this year. Don’t see the Twins taking on a big contract. Don’t see them dumping Lamb’s contract, and don’t see them trading Livan. Basically, I see them standing put, come hell or high water.
Dang, I would really, really like to see Beltre in a Twins uni too.
I definitely don’t see them trading for Atkins, way, way too spendy in termes of talent.
Trade Livan in order to clear the path for Liriano, who is ready to step into his Franchise role. And for the ‘legit contender’ comment, all I will say is, the Twins have proven you wrong all year and will continue to do so.
As for Beltre, he hits much better in other parks than he does in Seattle. His stats there really do him a disservice, and probably more than offset any benefit he got from ‘roids. I think it would be worth asking Seattle what they wanted for him. We have a LOT of pitching prospects and no place to put them, so why not ask? All it takes is money.
Jimmy,
Sorry to resume the torture, but YOU brought up the subject.
Temperature in the mid 70’s, a cool sea breeze blowing through the house and its JULY THE FREAKING ELEVENTH!!!!
Heaven!
I’m in heaven!
And it seems that I can hardly speak!
Well I guess that…….
fyi that whole punto/skoula thing has been already used by the lovely me. Haha.
http://omgmntwins.blogspot.com/2008/03/martin-skoula.html
But in this case I do loathe skoula, and I enjoy punto.
sane would you ever do this if you were managing one day and disagreed with a call
sane hail damage everywhere mosquitos as big as teridactles swooping down to get me
how about bring up liriano cut/trade 1 pitcher, bass or boof leave for limbo. let livan pitch some mop up and give him a spot start in the dome every 7-10 days to give each of the young guys a turn off. none of these guys have pitched a full season in the bigs and one skip might help them recharge for a run in sept if we have one. livan has looked good at home bad on the road. can’t see anyone giving up anything for him.
jimmy,
“sane would you ever do this if you were managing one day and disagreed with a call”
A bad umpire is expected.
An average umpire is exceptional and should be appreciated.
A good umpire is as rare as a flying super model.
Thats my philosophy and for that reason, I haven’t been thrown out of a game in twthrfrty years.
Dave T Twins have not been a legit contender since 1992 in my book this team has always had a inferior offense in the Gardy era that drags down it’s superior pitching and DEF
The team is final starting to build a competent offense with several young players in LF,CF,3rd,SS, 2nd but the bullpen needs help, the starting pitching has 4 young developing pitchers with Baker maybe the “ace” and “Franchise waiting to replace Livan
who has served his purpose, Twins need to play all the young kids to give them experience.. can’t learn and get experience sitting on the bench
bill smith what are you waitin for…beltre is needed now and also a new reliever….please get this handled soon…p.s. i know youre reading this bill
Garrett Atkins BS please not Beltre.
jimmy bee …yar nuts…its beltre….how can we wager…and what?
we agreed on monroe back awhile, but now youre out of line….beltre, and i guarantee you i am in the minority….atkins is just not productive enough and not as good defense…..
jimmy, mj1,
“its beltre….how can we wager…and what?”
I’m in.
I pick neither!
jimmy bee- next problem…how long do we ride this horse called livan…i like what hes done, but????
mj1 I will go along with you but I hope your right.
sane I agree with you as well. How bout Sexson for a test drive for league minimum
Does anyone have a feeling with all of these OF’s that we may see Cuddy back at 3rd
me too….i just think he would be so excited to play in a pennant chase, a whole new beginning for him….well, i can only hope bill is reading and working the phones and not being like his pred t.r.
cuddy will never, ever, aside from a total disaster see 3rd base with a glove on….totally out of the ?…i believe they would trade him 1st and i know how much that would never happen
At some point, if the Twins are serious about winning this division and making a run at a WS title, you’re going to have to put Liriano in and get Livan out of there. Slowey, for better or worse, is part of our future. Glen Perkins has too much upside–and he’s a lefty–to even consider removing from the rotation. (Plus, he’ll be 6-2, a .750 winning percentage, after this weekend.) Baker’s your ace right now, and Blackburn’s too good. Livan has to go. He’s served his purpose, and now he has no prayer of beating any good AL team unless the Twins score tons of runs for him each start. He’s done.
Liriano in, Herhandez traded for a real set-up guy.
im not sure what you could get for hernandez, everett, lamb …..even all 3 together…do they have any trade value at all…they dont if im looking for players….who would give up any value for them.??? sad as it is
sane did I ever tell you I worked in Irwindale for a while. Hoooo weee what a beautiful area. That’s where I will move to next beautiful Irwindale. If you don’t know what that looks like imagine Willmington without an ocean view and add in earthmovers and a gravel pit.
BTW: What LEN forgot to mention is that Liriano has won SEVEN straight decisions and run his unbeaten streak to 11 starts. Now, why would you keep him in Rochester??? Aren’t we trying to field the best team possible??? And if we are, he’s certainly better than anyone on that starting staff, with the exception of perhaps Baker, so…
You should see the guy’s new cutter and circle change. They’re nasty.
mj1, where have you read that? I have never seen where Gardy has outright ruled that out as an option. Heck, who really thought that Harris would see time at third this year? I know I didn’t, and I have a suspicion neither did Smith or Gardy.
mj1,
“well, i can only hope bill is reading”
You ARE kidding about Bill Smith reading our daily drivel, right?
RIGHT?
Think about the irreversible damage he could do if he acted on some of these suggestions!
Scary!
i just remember comments way back when cuddy was at 3rd and they decided to move him….i dont know that gardy has even commented this year, but its my gut feeling, because he just wasnt any good at 3rd and gardy likes defense as we know…punto would go back to 3rd before that ever happen…
“The sun will come out, in Irwindale, bet your bottom dollar, there in Irwindale”
ya sane im be a bit idiotic about all this, but you never know…maybe jimmy bee is really bill smith…ever think of that??? lol
maybe Favre can play 3B, he has a good arm
“maybe jimmy bee is really bill smith…ever think of that???”
I can positively say that:
No,
I never thought of that.
Now, thanks for preventing me from ever sleeping again.
As Bill Smith my first order is to acquire Jeff Kent Adrian Beltre and Russell Martin. Next I will drag Mike Piazza out of retirement to play as our DH.
“maybe Favre can play 3B, he has a good arm”
How many runs are scored if a baserunner intercepts Favre’s throw to first and runs it back?
Next as Bill Smith the Twins will be playing at the new stadium being built in City of Industry right next to the casino’s
sorry i uncovered you…please go back to being jimmy bee….you made more sense
“Think about the irreversible damage he could do if he acted on some of these suggestions!
Scary!”
“I will drag Mike Piazza out of retirement to play as our DH.”
Good example!
must be a way we could find bill smiths email address….that would be fun…
mj1 I’m back. As for 3rd baseman maybe we could give Seattle Lamb, and Livan for Beltre.
created a monster
if they would take it, hell yes and give them more, but would they or are they that foolish??? i dont believe these guys have any trade value …maybe livan has some, but???
I think he lives in bloomington and has a daughter that plays soccer just a hunch hmmm….
they are just as worthless to others as they are to the twins
How bout for good measure we tell them they could have Crain, Boof and Everett
The best we can hope for is that jimmybee is really BUZZY BAVASI.
(jimmy) BEE = BUZZY
Makes sense!
Have a wonderfull weekend and see the Queen Mary for me. Chat on Monday
crain is too needed in that bullpen, but the others ..yes, but there again the only value is probably boof and just how much….i believe we will have to dip into some of those better prospects, but i am ok with that because we have such a young team, all those guys cant come up in the next few years anyway…..and we always add players every year, so lets give up a few and win this damn thing now and go at it again next year, with a solid 25 man roster from the beginning…
First there’s a lousy AP-wire game story on the Strib until late last night, now there’s no lineup posted an hour before game time.
What’s up, Lavelle?
we need bullpin help as far as boof bonser and brian bass go
you keep one guy that sucks so you can use him for a game that ur getting blown out in
slowey goes to bullpin,
release boof bonser,
bring up sisco liriano!
Think about the irreversible damage he could do if he acted on some of these suggestions!
It wouldn’t matter at this point…as by now Smith would’ve had to release/trade/execute 90% of this roster.
And the Twins would have Castillo, Dougie, Koskie, Guzman, Rivas, and Guardado back.
[…] but we will be and here’s why: Liriano has been dominating in his rehab outings, with the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reporting he’s “walked three and struck out 24 over his last three starts. And he’s […]
