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Random thoughts after a warm night in the Bronx

Posted on July 22nd, 2008 – 9:01 AM
By La Velle

Twins reliever Craig Breslow may have etched his name in the history books Monday  when he entered the game in the sixth inning.

He threw two wild pitches and committed a balk. Someone at the park did a quick search and discovered it’s been over 50 years since a pitcher has done that in an inning. We hope to get the stat mavens to look deeper into that today.

First baseman Justin Morneau was replaced by Mike Lamb after one pop up and three grounders to Robinson Cano on Monday. But Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said it had nothing to do with Morneau getting hit in the hand with a pitch the game  before. “I gave him a little break,” Gardenhire said. “He’s been playing a lot of baseball with the All-Star Game, and the whole package.”

Gardenhire was asked before the game if he planned to warn Denard Span that he was going to hear things he’s never heard before from fans in the right field corner. Gardenhire was supremely confident Span would handle himself well.

He was right, as Span when 3 for 4 with a double and triple. Span has friends and family in New York for the series and fired up to play in the historic ballpark.

“It was an exciting day for me,” said Span, who is batting .370 since being called up from Rochester on June 30.

Since I’m talking about speedy, left-handed hitting outfielders, anyone see what Ben Revere did last night? On Sunday, I wrote about his chances of hitting .400 at Class A Beloit, but he had slipped under the mark in recent games.

I thought that was it for him. Then he breaks off a game like this.

The Twins have had players hit .400 in short-season leagues (Tony Oliva, Joe Mauer) but I’m not sure if they’ve had someone hit .400 in a full season league. I’m still waiting for the Twins to get make with me on that one. It looks like Revere is going to remain at Beloit, where the Twins want him to work on his throws from the outfield. So we’ll see how long they can keep it up.

Here’s one person’s opinion on who are the Twins’ top ten prospects.

My first impressions of the new ballpark going up across the street from Yankee Stadium: Why does it remind me of the Bellaggio?

Finally, it was sad to learn that baseball writing giant Jerome Holtzman passed away yesterday. Growing up in Chicago, he was a must read and one of the reasons I wanted to cover baseball when I grew up.

I’ve failed to grow up. But I do cover baseball.

Holtzman struck me as a no nonsense guy. I met him during the 1996 playoffs and didn’t run into him again until two years later. So I re-introduced myself to him. “Why do you think I don’t remember you?” he said.

MLB hired Holtzman as its historian after he stepped down from his gig at the Tribune. One of his goals was to clear Shoeless Joe Jackson’s name. Don’t know how far he got with that one.

136 Responses to "Random thoughts after a warm night in the Bronx"

Howard says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 am

LaVelle,

Bless you for writing about Jerry Holtzman. We talked several times a year back when I was covering the Twins — and he would always call looking for off-season news. (I grew up reading him too — so it was kind of a thrill that we had each other’s home numbers.) Once, in fact, he called me during a Bears playoff game and I gave him some good-natured grief. He said he’d call back and I told him don’t be silly. Bears football v. talking baseball with Jerome Holtzman? No contest.

FIRE VAVRA & GARDY!!!! says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 am

LaVelle will Gardy ever move NOGO from the leadoff spot? does someone have to drug him and take away his lineup card??

gopherdude2 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 am

When will the Twins officially cleanse
themselves of Boof Bonser. Boof has gone Poof and needs to move along.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 am

So how bad are Revere’s throws from the outfield? They must be horrible to keep him down this long. I’ll be very surprised if Gomez is in the lineup or batting leadoff tonight.

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 am

LEN III

Your link to your minor league article is not right. You linked to the Beloit box score twice.

Thanks for the updates

Schedule the Parade says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:53 am

We really need to stop shaking when we walk into Yankee stadium. The Twins are now 3-17 against the Yankees in that stadium since 2002.

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am

I was really bummed that Boof was terrible last night. I think they need to get what they can for him and let the guy try to figure it out someplace else. He has talent but he isn’t able to use it with the Twins.

Common says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am

YADAT

viper275 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 am

It sure would be nice if the Twins(Dick Rantz) could publish a list of the top 10 players he thinks are worthy of recognition. Lavelle, what do you think?

La Velle says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 am

jama,

Just checked. The links work fine for me….

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 am

Len3 was the first link supposed to be to an article you wrote because jama is right it’s to the same boxscore.

Al says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 am

maybe we will be able to win in their new stadium.

gobbledygookguy says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am

i think the most likely change will be punto leading off and gomez on the bench for a couple games with kubal in rf. give lamb a couple gms in the dh role to figure out if they are keeping him or not.
him and monroe are both dead weight right now and i don’t think this team can afford to carry dead weight.

Twibnotes says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 am

Sorry to hear about Holtzman.

It was also sad to hear that Kitty Kaat’s wife passed away, as well.

Condolences to both families.

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 am

“It sure would be nice if the Twins(Dick Rantz) could publish a list of the top 10 players he thinks are worthy of recognition.”

I don’t think they would want to do that. It would be playing their hand too much. I am sure internally they have these types of lists, or at least something that helps them in trade discussions. Making it public would not be beneficial to the team.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 am

Hey Seth what’s your take on Revere are his throws really so horrible that he’s not getting promoted?

bisonaudit says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am

Am I the only one who thinks that against any other team in any other building, Casilla takes the out at 1st and allows the run to score in the 2nd inning of a tie ball game.

That’s not why we lost last night but it is why we’re 3 for our last 20 at Yankee Stadium.

Doogles says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am

Twinks wet pants on every trip to Yankee Stadium.

T says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am

I still think BatGirl had it right. It’s the Curse of Mike Trombly.

Twins had a three run lead (or was it four) against the Yankees on a rainy night in the Bronx (during extra innings even)

Jason Giambi comes up with the bases loaded, much to the then shegrin of the audience (I know that shegrin isn’t spelled like that).

He was still very new, and still very hated.

Then Mike Trombly served him a meat pitch and he hit a walk off Grand Slam.

Mike Trombly was never heard from again, and the Twins were never the same at the Bronx.

Ryan says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 am

When will we know the results with Cuddy?

gct says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 am

I remember that fantastic game, it was even the 13th or 14th inning. I think the twins hit a 3-run jack in the top of the inning to go ahead, but I can’t remember who hit it. Anyone remember??

JJ of NP says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 am

I think the question at this point should not be “should gomez lead off”, but whether or not he should be on the major league roster at all, what with the twins contending and all. When Cuddyer’s back, let him go to AAA and refine his game. If Cuddyer’s out for a while yet, send down Gomez and bring up Macdonald. He needs it. If changing the batting order will hurt his confidence, imagine what going 5 for 100 will do. sending him down might humble him just enough, while still giving him the chance to prove himself on an everyday basis.

Also, did mike trombley play for the twins during Giambi’s time with the Yanks?

USAFChief says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 am

The Twins ‘want him to work on his throws from the outfield.’

Huh.

They don’t require outfielders to make throws from the outfield in High-A ball?

gct says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am

I’m pretty sure it was Trombley, when he had that little 2nd stint with the twins after leaving the Orioles–and T is right, Giambi was in his first season and wasn’t off to a good start and was being booed every at bat. Even the announcers were saying something like “he needs to get a big hit soon to turn his future as a Yankee” right before the home-run

bisonaudit says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 am

I’ve got no problem with that. Passing guys out of Rookie ball who can’t hit a cut off man is like passing 2nd graders who don’t know how to read yet.

La Velle says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 am

I covered the Trombley game. The Twins, finally, scored runs off Mussina. Brian Buchanan had a huge game. But Bernie Williams hit a game-tying homer off Eddie G. to send the game into extra innings. I could hear Guardado swearing in between pitches to the next batter, still mad at himself for the Williams homer.

Trombley, trying to extend his career, was throwing 85 mph fastballs. And it was a I’m-a-Yankee-now moment for Giambi. It was one of the worst losses I’ve covered in terms of the number of distraught ballplayers after a game.

Here’s the boxscore:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/B05170NYA2002.htm

JJ of NP says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 am

Ugh… Rick Reed, Denny Hocking, Jack Cressend, and Jay Canizaro. It’s almost lunch time, dammit. Now I lost my appetite. How’d they win the division that year?

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 am

LEN III

This link:

I wrote about his chances of hitting .400

Goes to the boxscore when it should go to your article from Sunday. I found your article elsewhere though, so it’s all good.

On a football side note: Who you got as the Bears starting QB this year? I’m leaning towards Grossman to start the season.

Childress says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 am

the bear’s can have t-jack if they want him. I’m rollin’ with Booty in the pocket.

Twins Fan #1 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 am

Lavelle,

I noticed in the batting order for Beloit hitting leadoff was a guy named Jeanfred Brito. Is he any relation to Twins minor league slugger Bernardo Brito? Whatever happened to Bernardo and does Jeanfred have a chance to make it to the bigs?

Thanks,

W. Guy

Tim says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:53 am

re Revere - see they cannot work with him at Ft Myers. Throws must be different in Advanced A.

Hunt lowered his ERA to .47 with 34 SO’s in 19 innings. He cannot work on command at Beloit

Tim says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:54 am

Sorry USAFChief - you already had it

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am

I think Revere needs to file a grievance. So what exactly is he doing so wrong does he miss the cut off man every time? Does he throw it into the stands? It’s hard to believe it’s that bad.

T says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm

It was one of the worst losses I’ve covered in terms of the number of distraught ballplayers after a game.

And wasn’t that also Gardy’s first trip to the Bronx?

See, there’s a correlation there. ;)

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 pm

What ever happened to the days of Bernie Williams? Hey BC what’s going on over there?

MC says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm

The Twins are going to let Revere play this out to see if he can do .400 becuase you can always move him aggresivelly later somewhere down the line. You’ll likely never have a shot at .400 in any other level of pro ball… so the Twins will let it play out and if it looks like he doesn’t have .400 in play they may move him up. But if .400 is in play, expect him to stay put.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Not much jimmy I’m just trying to figure out why Revere is being punished.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:11 pm

BC I’m still trying to figure out our rotation and what is going to happen soon.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Thats a good question hopefully last night was just a fluke and not a sign of things to come for these young guys. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are going to start playing with a lot more urgency in the next two months just like they always do.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Did anyone notice the pinstripe scouts eyeing Boof last night. Hmm I wonder if they would take a look and a chance at getting Boof.

Duane says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Yes it is time the Twins waved Boof bye-bye.

gobbledygookguy says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

if you haven’t noticed the twins tend to baby their minor leaguers.
when livans road era goes over 8 they may consider a change.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

I’m surprised they weren’t eyeing Red dog as well that’s were the bigger problem is for them.

Al says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Why, so the next time we play at Yankee Stadium Boof can rock us? Good one.

Duane says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Boof rocking us??? Give me a break Al.

The New and Improved Craig says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 pm

According to Paul Molitor, Revere can’t throw.

He looks to me to be a future LF. He could be a really great player and hold down the LF job for many years.

Rotrhed says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 pm

“Boof rocking us??? Gime me a break Al.”
How ’bout Ponson rocking us???
Heck, I bet Loshe could rock us.
At least The Hawk didn’t rock us…

Tony in Iraq says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm

I believe a young man named Ruben Salazar or something like that hit .400 about 8 or 10 years ago at class A.

MC says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Here is something that people need to consider in Gardenhire’s persistance with Gomez in the #1 hole…

If he moves Span into the one hole, he has essentially committed Span to everyday status.

If you commit to Span as an everyday player then you are committed to Span, Young, and Gomez as everyday players until Cuddyer comes back. And when Cuddy is back, then you need to find playing time for the #9 hitter elsewhere… AAA.

Gomez and Span can both help this squad this year. Gomez is a far superior defensive player and Span is clearly much better suited for the one hole right now…

Span has played well enough for the Twins to have a problem on their hands with how to handle Gomez when Cuddy get’s healthy. But I know Gardy want’s to stick with Gomez in center and as soon as you move Span to #1 you either find a place on the bench for Gomez or AAA.

The Twins need a RH bat so don’t get visions of Cuddy riding any kind of pine. The Twins will treat his return from the DL as if it was their mid-season move to bolster the line-up.

BB-STC says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Morneau hit .402 in 52 games for the GCL Twins in 2000.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Justin-Morneau.shtml

BB-STC says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Mauer hit .400 in 32 games for Elizabethtown in 2001.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Joe-Mauer.shtml

BB-STC says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Ruber Salazar did hit .401 in 64 games for Elizabethtown in 1999. His career didn’t quite go the way of Mauer and Morneau.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Ruben-Salazar.shtml

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm

BC I don’t want to lose Redmond. Redmond I think could actually be a starting catcher for someone out there and receive more money. Not sure why that idea doesn’t appeal to him. Maybe it does appeal and he is just real quiet regarding the subject.

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pm

My thoughts on Revere…
1.) He could likely hit in Ft. Myers, maybe even .300.
2.) he obviously has things to work on or they would move him up. Seems pretty simple. I haven’t seen him play, but working on things isn’t a bad thing.
3.) I’ve also heard that he can continue to work on bunting.
4.) Base stealing was another thing for him to work on. that said, it is also something he has improved as noted by his improved percentage from month to month.
5.) Apparently he still needs to work on pitch recognition. He’s got a great average, but he hasn’t taken a lot of walks. I would think he could continue to improve that. They could keep pushing him up, but what’s the benefit if he is swinging like Gomez? (extreme example, admittedly)
6.) My biggest thing would be… what’s the rush? Why rush to get to Ft. Myers? If it was a rush to get to Minnesota, that would be one thing, but why rush to get to the Florida State League?
7.) Finally, let’s not forget that Joe Mauer spent his entire first full season in Quad Cities (former Twins low A affiliate). he hit about .330. he moved up to Ft. Myers where he spent a half year, then up to new Britain, then the big leagues. That’s pretty fast-tracked. In other words, is there really tremendous benefit to moving him up?

I don’t think that the .400 average really has much to do with their decision to keep him down.

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 pm

I think LaVelle’s comment on the .400 averages in Twins minor league history drectly said in “Full Season Leagues”… The GCL and Elizabethton are short-season teams.

La Velle says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Those aren’t full-season leagues….

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Ron Coomer spent 1/3 of a season with the Yankees where he hit .265 with 3 HR’s and played in 55 games. Here I thought he played 4-5 seasons with them after all the hub bub. Another thing I didn’t realize is Latroy Hawkins was with us for 9 years

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

jimmy i wondered about that as well we should be damn thankful that red dog doesn’t want to go anywhere else.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm

“6.) My biggest thing would be… what’s the rush? Why rush to get to Ft. Myers? If it was a rush to get to Minnesota, that would be one thing, but why rush to get to the Florida State League?”

That part makes the most sense i never thought about it that way thanks Seth.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm

Ron Coomer as much as I like the guy talks to much about the Cubs and Yankees whom he barely played any of his career with. Does anyone know if he talks alot about the Dodgers also for his partial season with them as well. He should really just try and talk more about the Twins in which he played a major part of his career with.

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pm

BC of ND -
Believe me, I used to think push-push-push through the system. But seeing the struggles of parts of Gomez’s game, in part, due to being pushed so quickly through the Mets system has altered my though. Seeing the struggles of Delmon Young in left field (although it is a new position in a dome stadium) tell me that there are things that can be worked on and improved beyond hitting in the system. There is so much to the game. There are some guys that I would like to see pushed, but at the same time, there are few exceptions, and also allowing players to experience success can be a good thing too, rather than continuing to try to adjust to new levels too quickly.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Those are all valid points Seth and i guess you could say the same thing about keeping Liriano down in AAA.

jimmybee i think Coomer is from Chicago isn’t he but i agree he talks about the Yankees like he played there forever.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Seth any idea as to how Mulvey or Guerra are doing? I was able to look up Humber and he is no where near being in the show for a while with that ERA

schweady says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Yeah, Coom was wet with excitement while showing LaPanta and all of us nobodies the Stadium’s catacombs in last night’s postgame. I’ve walked through there - claustrophobia is more the feeling. 3 HR with the Yankees and the first was in his first AB in pinstripes?… he’s a regular Yogi.

Tony says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pm

Seth, my question is what more does Slama have to show at Fort Myers to move up? His numbers are borderline cartoonish.

bisonaudit says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm

I’m having trouble figuring out what he’s doing on my TV at all, runing my free xtra innings preview, let alone talking about the Yankess. It’s almost enough to make a guy channel up to the YES feed instead. Almost.

here's johnny! says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm

what do you all think about the prediction from Joshs thoughts?

http://joshsopinion.blogspot.com/2008/07/long-overdue-move-prediction.html

basically its saying sloweys out and lirianos in the rotation within 10 days. i say theres no chance on gods beautiful green earth that happens, but i guess theres always a possibility that i could be wrong… ;)

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pm

“Seth any idea as to how Mulvey or Guerra are doing? I was able to look up Humber and he is no where near being in the show for a while with that ERA”

Mulvey has certainly experienced ups and downs. All together, he is 3-8, but he has a solid 3.97 ERA. I thin he’s doing what we should expect from a 22 year old in his first year of AAA on a bad team. He’s not ready, but he’s not really any less of a prospect. (In his last start, he actually threw five perfect innings before giving up sixth runs in the sixth) Fortunately the Twins have a the luxory of keeping him down until he’s ready.

Guerra, on the other hand, is 10-4 for Ft. Myers. His ERA is 4.42, which isn’t horrific. However, in 99.2 innings, he has 42 walks and just 51 strikeouts. That accounts for the higher WHIP because he has given up less than a hit per inning. For a 19 year old, he’s doing just fine. Apparently the Twins tried to get him to change some things mechanically and it’s taken him some time. But I think he’ll be just fine.

As for Humber, he was put back in the rotation after Danny Graves most recent awful start. Humber wasn’t very good starting early. he has spent a little time in the bullpen, where he has actually been solid (and I think where his future with the Twins would be). I think he’ll contribute for the Twins and that isn’t a bad thing for the 4th guy in the trade.

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm

“Seth, my question is what more does Slama have to show at Fort Myers to move up? His numbers are borderline cartoonish.”

In my mind, there is zero reason for Slama to still be in Ft. Myers. My initial thought was that after Delaney moved up to New Britain, it would be good for Slama to get a couple of weeks as The Closer, just to see how he’d handle that (as if it was really an issue), and he’s continued to dominate. There is no reason for him to remain in the FSL.

Mr. Baseball says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm

The Twins habitual use of mediocre vetran pitchers instead of promising young starting pitchers is getting notices by the fans. They are beginning to believe that Pohlad’s pockets are keeping pitchers in the minors instead of bringing them up to pitch, which would cost Pohlad more money. It’s an old trick of the Twins to get a bargain salary veteran pitchers to occupy a space in the starting rotation. Liriano and his agent are smarter than the Twins want the fans to know.

AaronK says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pm

Liriano’s next start will be his last in AAA, that is my guess.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Uh Mr.Baseball your logic escapes me the only veteran pitcher is Livan and if last nights game is any indicator his value is going to start going up again.

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm

LEN

Already pointed out that Liriano would not get another year of experience if he was called up a month ago. So the agent is basically just blowing smoke now. Calling Liriano up 2 weeks ago or a month from now will not alter his status unless he gets injured again.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Mr. Baseball that is exactly why MLB will be looking into Liriano’s very valid complaint. He has a very true point and it will be interesting in which way they favor.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm

jama aren’t you supposed to be on a basketball blog somewhere harping on McFail

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pm

BC

Livan didn’t pitch last night, Blackburn did. Livan actually hasn’t pitched since Saturday.

sane says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Mr. Baseball,
You must be referring to paying Livan $5 million, instead of paying Liriano $500,000.
If so, your logic is reversed.

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Jimmy and Mr.

Liriano has no case. He could have cried foul about 2 months ago when he might have still been elgible for his 2.5 years, but now that time has come and gone. As a said above LEN stated that Liriano would have had to be called up over a month ago to still qualify. There is no reason for his agent to complain now.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Hey sane hows the Queen Mary looking today at 77 degrees and sunny. Perfect beach weather today

sid says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Mr. Baseball,
Veteran pitchers get higher salaries than young pitchers, so you are pretty much full of it!
But then, anyone who calls himself Mr. Baseball has some reality issues.

By the way, starting now my new moniker will be Mr. SHOW BUSINESS!!!

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 pm

By the way, starting now my new moniker will be Mr. SHOW BUSINESS!!!

Or how bout Mr. SID MEANS BUSINESS

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:08 pm

It sounds like Manny is on his way out of Boston and Holliday will be there next big gun. Tex to the Angels for Brandon Wood and a utility player. Ok sounds like those 2 are gone from our grasps

FIRE VAVRA & GARDY!!!! says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:11 pm

or SID has no Business being a Sports Columnist

Me Too says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Mr. Baseball, are you serious? Keeping a non-arbitration player in the minors, and signing a vetran is Pohlads way of saving money???
Do you even know that vetrans make more money than kids called up from the minors? How can signing vetrans possibly be construded as a method for saving money over bringing up the youth. That is simply rediculous.
Show me one vetran pitcher that pitched for the Twins in the last several years that pitched at the $390,0000.
Cheap Carl Pohlad blew over twelve years worth of salary of young players on one year of Hernandez figuring the $390,000 salary to Hernadez’s $5,000,000. Cheap, my ass, Stupid, well, yes.
Heck, Hernandez makes dang near as much money as the entire pitching staff if you discount Nathan from it. Cheap, not even close.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

jama what i meant is if the young starters are getting knocked out in the 2nd inning then having an innings eater like Livan around will make him more valuable.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Livan’s (10-6) record is quite shocking to me this year. But not quite as shocking as Lohse Being (12-2)

Nor McCash says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Liriano wouldn’t be in the position he’s in if he had been in shape — mentally and physically — at the start of spring training.

BTW: The Twins have 63 games left: Only 28 are at home in the Dome. The other 35 are on the road.

Guess who has the WORST road ERA in the AL…

That’d be the Twins, @5.54.

The Twins @ 99 games last year: 51 - 48 (Final Season Record: 79 - 83)

The Twins @ 99 games this year: 55 - 44

Good luck with the playoffs, guys!

Tony says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pm

10 games remaining against our 2 closest division rivals, all at home.

Ryan says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Just heard on KFAN that we should know the results this afternoon on Cuddy. That has to be soon.

Reezee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

The Bellaggio?

Are there fountains?

Me Too says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm

I was just looking at the Twins rosters to check out salaries, and noticed Delmon at $1,440,000. Anyone know if his 3.7 million signing bonus is prorated into that figure, or if that is his base pay for 2008? Just wondering how it works with baseball contracts since there isn’t a salary cap.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:25 pm

I heard there going to call the new Yankee stadium the house that Coomer built.

Nor McCash says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Just tripped over this stat @ mlb.com: Best record in the majors since June 7th?

Detroit @ 25 and 13.

Detroit’s team batting average during those 38 games? .295

Detroit’s team ERA during thos 38 games? 3.84

5 games behind the Twins and 5.5 behind the Chisox with 63 games left is looking pretty good!

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm

I like:

“Fire Gardy, Vavra and Childress Now!!!!!”

:)

thrylos98 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Me Too,

Delmon signed a Major League contract when drafted. His signing bonus does not count towards the annual total. His contract is up after this year and his is under Twins’ control and arbitration eligible for the next 3 years.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm

BC I heard that Coomer helped to design the foul are dimensions at the new house that Coomer built.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm

I like:

“Fire Gardy, Vavra, Childress & McFail Now!!!!!”

gobbledygookguy says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pm

most sites prorate bonuses into the salary figures.
do i sense that there are people that think cuddy is going to make a big impact when he gets back? he doesn’t have a big impact when he’s healthy and he hasn’t been an impact player since 06. him coming back means next to nothing.

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 pm

doesn’t McPhail work for Baltimore? hehe

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Not just that jimmy he has a big say in what type of pine they use for the bench.

FIRE VAVRA & GARDY!!!! says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Cuddy needs to go bye bye plain and simple

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

“The the Coom built”

i like the sound of that

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Hey gobble what are the chances that Cuddy gets lost in DL land with Everett?

mixmasterb says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm

can we get an update on Cuddyers knuckle? What did his latest test say?

jama says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm

I believe Delmon Young signed a pro contract out of High School. As thrylos pointed out this is the last year of that deal. That figure of $1.44 million is his base salary. With his lack of power this year his arbitration number shouldn’t be that high. So we got that going for us.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm

BC I heard Coomer has a huge Entourage that protects him from the millions and millions of Fans that appear everytime he goes back to the Bronx where he is a hero to many.

ES16 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm

While Coomer is in NY, he’s posing for his statue, which will stand outside the entrance to the new stadium.

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pm

What is your favorite Cuddyer memory?

Ball on top of head?

Front Flip Between 2nd and 3rd?

so many memories

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:41 pm

In New York you got The Babe, The Mick and The Coom

Me Too says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Found the answer, thanks guys.
Delmon has a salary of $700,000 this year, and ESPN was adding in a 740,000 proration of his signing bonus. Kinda what I thought was going on.
Still, not bad, getting that kind of coin for a guy that is still under team control for three more years. Considering how he is coming on right now, I am curious what the Twins are going to do with him this off-season. Sign him to contract thru the end of his arbitration years, or try to go it one year only?
I like the idea of a longer term deal, since arbitration, at least in my mind is an ugly business where the team is forced to denigrate the player to try to contain the costs.

Josh's Thoughts says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm

With the test results of Cuddyer due at some point today (probably pretty soon), one has to assume that his health could be a driving factor on how hard the Twins push for a right-handed bat. If it looks like he’ll be out for until mid-August (which is what it looks like without even knowing the results), then I think the Twins will search heavily for a righty.

And here’s johnny!, thanks for the link. It was a bold prediction and although I know I’m in the minority, I personally feel it makes sense. Nobody in the rotation really deserves to be ousted - besides Hernandez - and since it looks like they won’t trade him, I think Slowey is the next guy on the bubble. Just my own personal feelings. I like seeing Slowey pitch, and I think he’ll eventually break out of his funk, but the Twins aren’t going to let him have as long of a leash compared to Livan. I posted my prediction now because I believe that breaking out of a funk against the Yankees is one of the tougher things to do as a pitcher and I have my doubts about tonights game. Which could make it 3 poor performances in a row and could make my (now) bold prediction more plausible. Just my reasoning.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm

jimmy i thought i saw a fan ask Coomer if he was the beer vendor last night.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Is Coom going to be wearing a Yankee hat tonight and showing his ring to everyone and telling everyone about his major contributions

Bullmoose says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm

So how bad are Revere’s throws from the outfield? They must be horrible to keep him down this long.

Blame Tod Walker. He could hit a ton and couldn’t play defense worth a damn. The Twins kept promoting him because he could hit so well but he turned out to be such a huge liability in the field the Twins dumped him vowing never to promote players again until their defense is acceptable.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Josh I doubt it would be Slowey because we’ve heard over and over again that there’s nothing for him to prove in AAA.

Nice example Bullmoose.

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm

what hat does Coom where in the Hall of Fame?

i couldn’t even hold the laughter in as i typed that.

sid says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Bullmoose,
“the Twins dumped him vowing never to promote players again until their defense is acceptable.”

Please explain Matt LeCroy.

jimmy bee says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Shawn in Binghamton where will they have his plaque. My guess is next to “Mr October’s”

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

I wonder what Pedro Munoz has been up to?

Bullmoose says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

sid: not to say that haven’t missed one or two along the way :)

Brian says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Does anyone know if this is the last year of Yankee Stadium? I don’t think they mentioned it more than 44 times during last nights game. Geeez!

Also, please do my the favor of not printing little Nicky Punto updates every day in jottings. Who cares! Players who should be defensive replacemnts in late innings and bat 9th should have the grit to play though bruises like this. And why does Harris not deserve to play?

gobbledygookguy says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm

as for slowey being bad of late and deserving a demotion:
last 4 gms: 4.01 era, 24.2 ip, 21 hits and 11 earned runs
livan last 4 gms: 5.55 era, 24.1 ip, 28 hits and 15 earned runs.
why do people keep defending livan like he’s walter johnson?

sid says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 pm

“why do people keep defending livan like he’s walter johnson?”

Same age.

Josh's Thoughts says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm

“why do people keep defending livan like he’s walter johnson?”

Ask the organization. I’m sure the majority of the fan base would think it should be Livan’s spot that Liriano takes. But with the way both the front office and management have talked about Hernandez lately, they make him out to be a great pitcher and they make it seem like he’s going absolutely nowhere.

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm

i’d rather have Livan

he is still alive

Shawn in Binghamton says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 pm

maybe this organization is crazy like a fox!

maybe they are hyping Livan to trade him?

probably not, but a man can dream

AaronK says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm

gobble, cuz he is a savy veteran that just “wins”. :)

sid says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 pm

“i’d rather have Livan
he is still alive”

Show me some proof!

SethSpeaks says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:21 pm

” I’m sure the majority of the fan base would think it should be Livan’s spot that Liriano takes”

I doubt that… I would guess that a majority of the fan base sees the 10 wins and thinks he’s pitching well. They listen to Dick-n-Bert and buy the ‘cagy veteran’ stuff.

gobbledygookguy says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:23 pm

i stand corrected on knocking down the first yankee hitter, put one between god’s shoulder blades and set a tone.
the yankees have god hitting 2nd we have baby jesus hitting 3rd, we have a long way to go.

ES16 says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Wait a minute! They’re tearing down Yankee Stadium? When did they announce that?

Shaun says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 pm

ES,

I think ESPN might have had a 5 second blurb about Yankee Stadium being torn down. They had to get back to focusing on those darn Pittsburgh Pirates.

BC of ND says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Howard just reported that Gomez is in the 9th spot tonight.

Ben says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Nice work Gardy…other teams do it all the time, Red Sox mix up the outfield and leadoff/9th hitters all the time (Renteria/Lugo/Ellsbury)…lets see out it goes.

Twins Fan in SoCal says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm

We’ll see how NYY awe-struck Slowey will be vs. the Yankees. He has a HORRIBLE record in all facets against them.

Nor McAsh says:

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Wow.

7 earned runs in 8 innings.

Worst road ERA in the AL…

Good luck with only 28 home games left on the schedule!