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	<title>Comments on: Twins: Livan Hernandez to the Rockies for&#8230;.</title>
	<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/</link>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86163</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised he hasn't been claimed either.  Though a righty hitting around .100 against lefties is probably not too attractive to a contender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised he hasn&#8217;t been claimed either.  Though a righty hitting around .100 against lefties is probably not too attractive to a contender.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86150</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever happened to Craig Monroe after his release?  I would assume I would have heard if he was picked up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to Craig Monroe after his release?  I would assume I would have heard if he was picked up.</p>
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		<title>By: the Dragon</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86149</link>
		<dc:creator>the Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sane,

I guess I am near a group of idiot fans.

Nationals fans have only had a team for a few years and are not sure what to make of it.  Orioles fans are quite bizarre.  They had success for so long, they are expecting it to return at any moment.  If you throw them into a pile of crap, they dig in looking for the pony.  Twins fans in the blogosphere seem more like being dumped on a pile of gold, complain because there are no diamonds.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sane,</p>
<p>I guess I am near a group of idiot fans.</p>
<p>Nationals fans have only had a team for a few years and are not sure what to make of it.  Orioles fans are quite bizarre.  They had success for so long, they are expecting it to return at any moment.  If you throw them into a pile of crap, they dig in looking for the pony.  Twins fans in the blogosphere seem more like being dumped on a pile of gold, complain because there are no diamonds.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: the Dragon</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86148</link>
		<dc:creator>the Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86148</guid>
		<description>T,

Nothing I said is meant to imply that my opinions are correct and others are not.

I mentioned European Soccer.  I guess most of American sports are childs play in comparison to Worldwide Soccer, and it has nothing to do with the game itself, and everything to do with promotion and relegation.

In American professional sports Winning a Championship is great, AND the poor/bad teams lose to get the Top Draft pick.  There is no/little consequence for failure.

I happened to share an experience on May 14 2000, that most American fans will NEVER experience.  My team in the England Premier League, Wimbledon FC was relegated to Division 1.  After 14 years, as the Brits say, as a minnow, we dropped a league with NO guarantee we would ever play in the Top Flight again.  That was like a death in the family.  That was followed 2 years plus a couple of weeks when the FA (Football Association) 3 man arbitration panel allowed the team to move 70 miles north of London to Milton Keynes, the first such move in history, which was not the result of 2 teams merging.  2 days later the Wimbledon supporters said "Up Yours" to the FA and started our own team, NOT in the loft heights of the Premiership or Division 1, but at Level 8 Combined Counties League.  6 season's later we have been promoted 3 times winning our League twice and start in Level 6 on Saturday.  If you are wondering at my math, in our second year they restructured non-league football (Level 5 and below) so we got promoted from Level 8 to Level 8 :-)

I have learned to take a long view.  Will AFC Wimbledon ever play in the Premiership?  I sincerely doubt it, yet within 15 years it is possible.  There have been only 2 teams to rise from non-League football to play in the Top Division.  The 1st was Wimbledon FC, and a couple of years ago Wigan Athletic became the 2nd.  So it can be done.

Alot of what I read here IS NOT missing the forest for the trees, I don't think there is even knowledge there are trees, due to focus on a leaf or needle.

I don't understand it and marvel every day.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T,</p>
<p>Nothing I said is meant to imply that my opinions are correct and others are not.</p>
<p>I mentioned European Soccer.  I guess most of American sports are childs play in comparison to Worldwide Soccer, and it has nothing to do with the game itself, and everything to do with promotion and relegation.</p>
<p>In American professional sports Winning a Championship is great, AND the poor/bad teams lose to get the Top Draft pick.  There is no/little consequence for failure.</p>
<p>I happened to share an experience on May 14 2000, that most American fans will NEVER experience.  My team in the England Premier League, Wimbledon FC was relegated to Division 1.  After 14 years, as the Brits say, as a minnow, we dropped a league with NO guarantee we would ever play in the Top Flight again.  That was like a death in the family.  That was followed 2 years plus a couple of weeks when the FA (Football Association) 3 man arbitration panel allowed the team to move 70 miles north of London to Milton Keynes, the first such move in history, which was not the result of 2 teams merging.  2 days later the Wimbledon supporters said &#8220;Up Yours&#8221; to the FA and started our own team, NOT in the loft heights of the Premiership or Division 1, but at Level 8 Combined Counties League.  6 season&#8217;s later we have been promoted 3 times winning our League twice and start in Level 6 on Saturday.  If you are wondering at my math, in our second year they restructured non-league football (Level 5 and below) so we got promoted from Level 8 to Level 8 <img src='http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have learned to take a long view.  Will AFC Wimbledon ever play in the Premiership?  I sincerely doubt it, yet within 15 years it is possible.  There have been only 2 teams to rise from non-League football to play in the Top Division.  The 1st was Wimbledon FC, and a couple of years ago Wigan Athletic became the 2nd.  So it can be done.</p>
<p>Alot of what I read here IS NOT missing the forest for the trees, I don&#8217;t think there is even knowledge there are trees, due to focus on a leaf or needle.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand it and marvel every day.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: sane</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86147</link>
		<dc:creator>sane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86147</guid>
		<description>Dragon,
"Is Gardy the BEST manager in Baseball? What are the criteria? I don’t know, but his teams usually play well above their talent level"

That is PRECISELY the criteria.
Gardy IS a good manager and he makes mostly good game decisions. I am Twins fan in SoCal who hears Mike Sciosia critics all the time and either he or Gardy are regarded as the best as judged by their peers. But amateurs can convince themselves they know more than their local manager based on the success rate of their "after-the-fact" decisions compared to the managers real-time decisions. But comparing Angels critics to Twins critics, there is little difference, except Twins fans often seem happy to be bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dragon,<br />
&#8220;Is Gardy the BEST manager in Baseball? What are the criteria? I don’t know, but his teams usually play well above their talent level&#8221;</p>
<p>That is PRECISELY the criteria.<br />
Gardy IS a good manager and he makes mostly good game decisions. I am Twins fan in SoCal who hears Mike Sciosia critics all the time and either he or Gardy are regarded as the best as judged by their peers. But amateurs can convince themselves they know more than their local manager based on the success rate of their &#8220;after-the-fact&#8221; decisions compared to the managers real-time decisions. But comparing Angels critics to Twins critics, there is little difference, except Twins fans often seem happy to be bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86146</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/neal/2008/08/06/twins-mariners-sweepless-in-seattle/#comment-86146</guid>
		<description>Well put Dragon.  It's too bad that most people will just come back with some Kool-Aid or Bathroom Caulk joke and that'll be that until the next day.

I bet you anything this crap goes on at other fan boards as well.  It seems that the more "devoted" the fan the more they hate their team.

But I've never seen such a bunch of ungrateful rubes in my life.  No matter what this team does its never enough, and it seems that anything they accomplish seems to be despite themselves.

There's such paranoia and hatred...and I've NEVER seen a fan before that has actually gotten more and more mad the better any given player or team does.

Its absolutely absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Dragon.  It&#8217;s too bad that most people will just come back with some Kool-Aid or Bathroom Caulk joke and that&#8217;ll be that until the next day.</p>
<p>I bet you anything this crap goes on at other fan boards as well.  It seems that the more &#8220;devoted&#8221; the fan the more they hate their team.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve never seen such a bunch of ungrateful rubes in my life.  No matter what this team does its never enough, and it seems that anything they accomplish seems to be despite themselves.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s such paranoia and hatred&#8230;and I&#8217;ve NEVER seen a fan before that has actually gotten more and more mad the better any given player or team does.</p>
<p>Its absolutely absurd.</p>
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