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Emptying the Carl Pohlad notebook

Posted on January 6th, 2009 – 1:29 PM
By La Velle

I want to share a few Carl Pohlad stories that couldn’t make today’s ink-on-paper edition:

4:28 update: Justin Morneau has asked to release the following statement on the passing of Mr. Pohlad.

“He was known as the man who saved baseball in Minnesota and a great fan of the game who gave so much back to the community. I’m sure his legacy will live on and he’ll be remembered not only by the Twins front office staff, but the great fans of Minnesota and the Twins players proud to wear the uniform under his leadership. His contributions and commitment to sports and the Minnesota community will never be forgotten. It’s a sad day when we lose a teammate and member of the Twins family. The players’ condolences go out to the Pohlad family.” – Justin Morneau on passing of Twins Owner Carl Pohlad.”

Now for a personal story. About eight years ago, I went to Carl’s office to a story on the state of the organization. Dennis Brackin and I were seated in meeting room at Pohlad’s spacious 40th floor office. Carl walks in with his notes, looks at me and says, “I heard you just bought a new home. Why didn’t you finance it through us?”

I had just moved into my townhome, so I was baffled how he found that out. At the time, I thought it was pretty funny.

Clark Griffith, son of the former Twins owner, has always been impressed with Carl Pohlad. I got a kick out of his line in today’s story about how Carl and his father ran the team the same way but one was the richest owner in baseball and   the other the poorest.

“Carl was the only owner George Steinbrenner looked up to,” Griffith said. “He was a business colossus.”

Griffith remembered one time he tried to help someone buy a few of Pohlad’s banks.

“A banker in North Carolina hired me to represent him in the purchase of several banks from Carl. I went to great lengths to draft a letter to Carl to propose the purchase of these banks.

“It came back two days later,  my letter with Carl’s writing across the face of it. `Clark, we buy banks. We don’t sell them.’ My great enterprise for my new Carolina client was dashed on the rocks.”

Former Twins manager Tom Kelly got his break during Pohlad’s tenure and hasn’t forgotten that.

“One of those people come up in your life, you never figure out how this happens,” Kelly said. “He gave me a chance and, boy and boy, that certainly had a big role in my life and my family’s life.”
“He treated me wonderfully. I would hear these stories with other managers, about the problems they might be having with an owner, and I’d say, ‘Wow, that never has happened to me.’
“I was very fortunate to be able to work with a man like that – to get to know him.’’

There was a belief that 2000 was going to be Kelly’s last year as manager. Kelly even pulled me into his office during a late September road trip to Cleveland to get my take of the situation.

Kelly confirmed the meeting with Pohlad after the 2000 season, when short-term CEO Chris Clouser had suggested to Carl there was a need for change.
“We had that sit down in Mr. Pohlad’s office,’’ Kelly said. “I wouldn’t call it a clearing of the air; it was me telling Carl what I felt. I don’t know all that went into it, but after that, I still was the manager and a while later that other fellow [clouser] was gone.’’

Kent Hrbek had a great relationship with Pohlad.    “They called him cheap beause he wouldn’t pay the big dollar for anyone. That was the wrong impression of Carl. He was the kindest, caringest man I knew.”

Carl Pohlad was moving around pretty good when I first got on the beat in 1998. In recent years, he was confined to a wheelchair.

But he still made regular visits to the manager’s office about a half-hour before the first pitch of home games. I remember numerous times walking from the dining room to the pressbox and seeing manager Ron Gardenhire in the hallway, bent over Carl and giving him updates about the team. 

Pohlad’s visits go back to the Tom Kelly era.

“That first year, ’87, he came down in the middle of summer and asked me, ‘Do you think Berenguer could be a starter?’ Kelly said. “I said, ‘He’s doing pretty well where he is, Carl, so I think we’ll keep him there.’ And then in early September he came in and asked the same thing. My answer was the same: ‘We’re a couple of games ahead, so I’ll think we’ll stay the way we are Carl.’
“Somebody was putting a bug in his first year, obviously. But Juan helped us win the World Series out of the bullpen, and never again did Carl say anything you could consider offering advice on a player. Not once in my next 14 years as a manager.’’

There should be no worrying about the future of the Twins’ ownership. As I pointed out today Carl’s three sons - Jim. Bill and Bob - want to continue the ownership legacy. Jim will run the day-to-day aspects of the club but will bring in Bill, a film industry whiz, and Bob, who runs PepsiAmericas, Inc., when big decisions need to be made.

But it goes farther than that. Two of Carl’s grandsons Tom and Joe - have held baseball jobs.

Tom spent a year working at Major League Baseball headquarters in New York. “He’s probably more knowledgeable than most owners in the workings of baseball,” Jerry Bell, president of Twins Sports, Inc. said.

Joe, who is well-liked, works in the baseball operations department and is a fixture in the press box.

I’ve been told a a third grandson, Charlie, is an up-and-comer. Charlie is in college. Tom and Joe are a little older. But it looks like there will be another generation to run the club down the road. 

43 Responses to "Emptying the Carl Pohlad notebook"

southside_guy says:

January 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Thanks for sharing the stories - I’ve always held a different opinion of Carl but now you’ve given me something to counter-balance those negatives.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

I’ve met Jim, he seems like an amiable guy. Though my meeting with him was about as long as a handshake a few words about the status of the team at the time.

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

I just hope the Twins will stay competetive and who even knows maybe payroll will go up to what it once was

BC of ND says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Nice post Len it sounds like Carl wasn’t the monster that some people make him out to be just a very shrewd businessman.

BC of ND says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

jimmybee i think that quote says it all “Carl and his father ran the team the same way but one was the richest owner in baseball and the other the poorest.” Like father like son? we will see.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

I just hope that the three sons are able to come up with decisions with enough time to act. Sometimes getting three people to agree on something is easier said than done.

Especially when dealing with family. ;)

RyanW says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Thanks for the post LEN

I hope the Twins continue to avoid back-breaking contracts… but they can afford to open up the purse a little.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

BC: I think that quote is comparring Griffith and Pohlad. Not Carl to his sons.

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

“I heard you just bought a new home. Why didn’t you finance it through us?”

Does anyone question why LaVelle said and did this.

BC of ND says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

What i meant is will Carls son Jim be just like Carl. What most young people dont realize is that people who lived through the great depression like Carl did look at things like money a lot differantly then people who didn’t.

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

“They called him cheap beause he wouldn’t pay the big dollar for anyone”

Hmmmmm….

“Clark, we buy banks. We don’t sell them”

Hmmmmm….

Does anyone notice that alot of what was written in this article has to do with money and making money and that is basically it. Even after death Pohlad is recognized foor thrifty ways

sid says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

“Clark, we buy banks…”

How is that thrifty?

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

jb: Now is not the time to start taking pot shots at Pohlad. Please re-read the entire Hrbek quote.

“They called him cheap beause he wouldn’t pay the big dollar for anyone. That was the wrong impression of Carl.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

What I find most disappointing is even given his record of philanthropy in Minnesota, people refuse to seperate Pohlad the man from Pohlad the owner.

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

sid says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

“Clark, we buy banks…”

How is that thrifty?”

A lot of what was written in this article has to do with money and making money

Now is not the time to start taking pot shots at Pohlad. Please re-read the entire Hrbek quote.

I’ll keep quiet now regarding the above subject and celebrate life of CP and CP going to heaven.

BC of ND says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

“What I find most disappointing is even given his record of philanthropy in Minnesota, people refuse to seperate Pohlad the man from Pohlad the owner.”

I agree but i think it’s just human nature for people to be envious of those who have more then them. Hell i get crap at work from guys who’s wives aren’t as succesfull as mine should i tell her to stop working just so were on the same level? Sorry not going to happen.

Blah says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

“It is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God.”

mike wants wins says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

For some people, amassing billions of dollars of self worth is not considered particularly philanthropic, no matter how much money they gave away. For others, the act of giving money away is considered philanthropic, no matter how much the giver keeps.

I’m not sure either of those groups is necessarily wrong in their view. Frankly, it would be great if our society could talk about this particular area of morality w/o all the vitrioal that always comes out on both sides….we might be able to make progress as a society.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

jb: Carl Pohlad was a billionaire who ran businesses. Of course the story of his life is going to be about how he was able to build such a successful business.

But other details that are getting lost…

* Pohlad won the Purple Heart during time served in WWII.

* Pohlad apparently started the Boys & Girls Club chapter here in Minnesota.

* The Horatio Alger/Pohlad Family Foundation providing scholarships to needy students.

I heard a bullet list of his accomplishments this morning on the radio…and it made me think “Man, what have I accomplished!?”

the MinnesotaCat says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

I think there are lots of people out there that have stories about Carl - personal ones that show him to be a kind, caring and generous man. The fact that he was also a shrewd businessman shouldn’t be held against him since he obviously has done alot of good with his money. Rest in Peace Carl and you and Eloise can watch the Twins this year together.

mike wants wins says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

I hat typos! :)

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

mwm: What I find particularily disturbing is the constant “Well Pohlad only gave money because it was a tax write-off.”

That’s a pretty crass thing to say, and serves to further cloud the lines between disagreement of his business practices and blind loathing.

MudCat says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

I, for one, had no problem separating Pohlad the man from Pohlad the owner.
His business empire entirely dwarfed his baseball business. It was his hobby like baseball cards is to a kid. I was always surprised he didn’t throw more money at his hobby and maybe lose or waste more on it.

jon says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“I’ll keep quiet now regarding the above subject”
“It is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God.”

Good job keeping your word Jimmybee.

MudCat says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

T: agreed. We have no idea what his motivation was. That’s the kind of vitriol I was talking about. I really don’t get the passion of fans (as I’ve matured, mine has waned considerably), and how they take that passion out on others (which some would say I do with Brad Childress, but that’s another board entirely).

Mike wants wins says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

That last mudcat post was by me. This software is terrible. Seriously, why does it show me the last poster’s e-mail and sign me in as them sometimes?

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

I should add: I wonder if the Pavano contract includes a bonus for every hand he doesn’t break punching a wall.

…Wait, was that Pavano?

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

“* Pohlad apparently started the Boys & Girls Club chapter here in Minnesota”

I love the Boys Clubs of America. I attended one in the Los Angeles area. It is good and keeps kids off of the streets of LA.

Mike wants wins says:

January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Fine, if I can’t have Burrell, I’ll take Abreu. He could actually play in the field sometimes too.

(I’d rather have Dunn, but they won’t sign him - he’s the anti-Twin in terms of hitting approach)

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Does anyone think that David Wright could be acquired? If so what would it cost the Twins

Jerry says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Nothing wrong with thrifty ways. I can assure you that if I were rich enough to own the Twins we would not have more than 400 million dollars tied up in 3 players like the $kankees do for the next 8 years. Rest assured, if we did the price of tickets (and everthing else) would rise dramatically.

RIP, Carl.

AM says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

Isn’t the reason that there ARE tax write-offs for charitable giving, to encourage more people to give to charity? If that the entire reason Pohlad gave to charity, then the tax policy worked. (I’m skeptical that was the whole reason.)

I’m happy for Carl Pohlad for doing well and doing good in Minnesota. Thanks for the additional stories, LEN, and thanks for the info on his charitable work T.

T says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

To get David Wright, say goodbye to a guy like Mauer or Morneau.

jimmy bee says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

T How bout Baker, Liriano and DY for Wright

BC of ND says:

January 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

AM donating to charity just lowers your taxable income so Carl still paid a boatload of taxes even with his donations so that was not his motivation but it would be for the average person.

SweetOne says:

January 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

JC Romero gets 50 game ban for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.

Boneyard says:

January 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

I never knew Carl Pohlad, so I can’t (and never have) commented on what kind of guy he was from my own personal persepctive. What has been known through the media is that he apparently loved his family and had some big philanthropic endeavors. He was an incredibly driven and astute businessman. There are worse epitaphs than the above, a lot worse.

That being said, he wasn’t a good baseball owner in the last, oh, 2/3 of his tenure. He allowed the team to be awful in the 90’s, was willing to contract at a huge profit to himself, then allowed the team to get pretty good but would not take the necessary steps to go to the next level. This winter is no exception. I mean, the Rays did something to improve, for crying out loud. No sitting on their hands even with poverty and a recent trip to the Series as excuses not to do anything. The culture of the Twins to wring their hands and whine about all the reasons to do nothing relates directly to the owner. This does not make him a bad human being.

mmmhmm says:

January 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

“How bout Baker, Liriano and DY for Wright?”

Similar question: How bout Buscher for Pujols?

For a trade to happen, first both teams must want to trade. Then, there has to be some semblance of reality in the trade’s components.

mj1 says:

January 6th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

great article by nick and nick –see their blog….talks about trading revere….very interesting, and you can link up on this page….

GENO says:

January 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

The people that actually knew the man,speak differently of him than some posters on this board.Who’s opinion are you going to believe!

GENO says:

January 6th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

In regards to the N&N article about Revere,i have a little different take on it.I think we should wait until next off season to make that evaluation.Then,we will be in better position to judge the potentials of Go-Go,DY,Span,Revere,Hicks and Morales.I think Hicks will the CF in 3 years,with Go-Go traded for maximum value

LARTWINFAN says:

January 6th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

Thanks to Carl Pohlad and condolences to his family and thousands of friends and fans who appreciate the last 25 years.
To the negative bloggers I read above on this.
You have no class—-none at all.
As Carl would have wanted,
HAVE FUN !!! GO TWINS!!!