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Ayala released and injury updates

Posted on July 1st, 2009 – 11:32 PM
By La Velle

The Twins have released reliever Luis Ayala after failing to work out a deal.

There was legitimate interest from Pittsburgh, and there are indications that Eric Hinske’s name  came up in the discussions. But once Hinskie was dealt to the Yankees, trade talks with the Pirates were dead.

Hinske makes sense because Twins manager Ron Gardenhire mentioned to us a couple weeks ago that he wouldn’t mind having a veteran off the bench who could hit a little and could handle not playing regularly.

Nick Punto (sore lower back) and Justin Morneau (sore left groin) both are confident that they will be in the lineup Friday against the Motown Tabbies. But Mike Redmond’s bruised right forearm might knock him out for awhile.

Although the bullpen is on a major roll right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Twins go to 12 pitchers soon.

And some Twins felt Jose Guillen’s slide that injured Punto was dirty. He didn’t get much of the bag, did he?

112 Responses to "Ayala released and injury updates"

Bill Brasky says:

July 1st, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Wow, first.

Punto should go on the DL again so we can hide him for a couple of weeks.

Question for LaVelle…Do these guys ever play nicked up a bit? I’m not doubting any of the injuries but it just seems that every little bump and bruise causes these guys to come out of the game (with the exception of the catchers who seem to take multiple foul tips per game). If I asked for the day off every time I went to work not feeling 100% I wouldn’t have a job.

DrDon says:

July 1st, 2009 at 11:44 pm

Bill, your anti-Punto jargon is getting old. To wish someone bad luck is not like you.

You are smarter than that.

ChrisH says:

July 1st, 2009 at 11:54 pm

How about a trade? Bill Smith has a tremendous track record. First, there was that Santana…wait. I mean, first there was the Garza….crap. I guess we’re better off standing pat, everytime this clown trades we get fleeced

ChrisH says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 am

You mean that we have unloaded two MAJOR assets and got two sacks of crap in return?

Rich says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 am

Looking forward to the upcoming homestand. Not make or break, but pretty big for this time of the year considering the opponents. Let’s hope the dome-field advantage takes hold. And that we finally put the Yankees in their place and win a series against them. And a good chance to close in on Detroit and cause a little distance between the dreaded Pale Sox and us. Wait! This is a huge series already.

johnsmith says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 am

ayala, rondell white, tony batista, livan hernandez, jeff cerillo, phil nevin, adam everett, mike lamb, and this is just part of the list of bargain basement garbage the twins pick up every single off season. Next year is a brand new stadium-will we ever see a legit free agent signed to add with mauer and mourneau???

sid says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 am

Bill Brasky,
“If I asked for the day off every time I went to work not feeling 100% I wouldn’t have a job.”

It’s harder to play professional baseball when feeling less than 100%, than it is to do your job.

A troop of chimpanzees at less than 100% are over-qualified to do your job.

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 am

Easy Sid!

sid says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 am

Sorry, LaVelle.

The personal shot was regrettably my mistake;
BUT
Citizens who compare the physical demands of their jobs to the physical demands of pro sports are naive beyond belief.

Beisbol-a-GO-GO says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 am

Interesting some players thought Guillen’s slide was dirty because as a fan I certainly thought it was very dirty. Punto had stepped way to the left of the bag and it’s pretty clear Guillen was sliding for Punto, not the bag. It’s too bad MLB doesn’t have more of a penalty for such a play than an automatic out. I know everyone says that’s just playing hardnosed ball but when there’s a great danger of severe injury to the other player, that’s not right. And when you’re so obviously not headed remotely in the direction of the bag as was the case with Guillen, there should be a penalty.

stinky says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 am

La Velle- thanks for a new thread, updates on the Ayala boondoggle and the injuries.

On the bullpen, there seems to be a full on frontal from the columnists that someone needs to be put in to rescue the Guerrier/Mij/Dickey 8th inning role.

Time to open the wallet.

Joe says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 am

I think here is the thing with Punto, he bats .210, he has no arm, and then he is out atleast 2 games a week because of injury’s most of them self inflicted…. most teams would release a guy like that, the twins give him a 2 year deal and start him…

Redmond, I like you and all but I’m starting to here that Jim Morrison song “The End”…. we have way too many catchers in the system that can do his job to hold onto an over the hill catcher who can’t hit and is having problems behind the plate….

Morales, Butera, Christy, de san Miguel can all do what Redmond is doing tomorrow and Ramos when healthy will be able to do so (though he might be out another 3-4 weeks)

Lala72 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 am

Joe, you’re brilliant. Thank you! It’s about time someone sees the light.

Lala72 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 am

No teams that starts a guy like Nick Punto or hangs onto a guy like Mike Redman is serious about winning. It’s like this team is merely here for Gardy’s entertainment.

USAFChief says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 am

Citizens who compare the physical demands of their jobs to the physical demands of pro sports are naive beyond belief.

Oh please.

Playing baseball every day from March to October is tough, I agree.

But there ARE job types tougher physically than being a professional baseball player. Lots of them.

oldguy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 7:21 am

Lala72, not Gardy’s entertainment but the Pohlad’s bottom line. They will still pack them in at the gate so why go after a real second baseman or play a second catcher that is not over the hill or bring in another legitimate eighth inning reliever. For this organization winning a pennant or wild card is way, way secondary to putting bucks in the coffer.

This point is never stressed enough in any of the comments to the three bloggers on the Strib site or to comments to Sid, Patrick or Souhan either. Why or why not?

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 7:24 am

Being a minor league baseball player, for one.

Actually, I think the tendency to rest a guy who isn’t 100%, especially this time of year, is driven by the club not wanting to make an injury worse and have it result in the player not being 100% as soon as would be the case if they sit a day or two.

Not to mention, I’m quite sure not every bump and bruise makes it to the media. Those that may cause a player to miss time do so it’s a bit misleading.

FranTheMan says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 7:32 am

But there ARE job types tougher physically than being a professional baseball player. Lots of them.

I hear ya, Chief.

Yesterday, my boss hit me with a foul ball of work he really should have done himself.

My piece-of-junk work computer crashed and I wanted to slam it, but checked my swing. Pulled oblique, I think.

Then when it happened again, I gave the machine a good punch to the CPU. Possible fractured wrist. MRI is scheduled.

I am listed as day-to-day.

You've Got To Be Kidding Me! says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 am

lol at fran. good stuff. on a serious note, being a concret worker, roofer, or landscaper are all more physically demanding jobs than being a pro baseball player. watching kent hrbek play baseball (and play it well), it didn’t look too taxing.

Stephen K says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 7:46 am

Although it seams that many here think the pro athletes in questions are a bunch of bums it should be pointed out that they are playing at the highest level and injuries, even minor, can make a big difference. Round ball, round bat, … 1/2 of step can make the difference between being a professional in the first place. Even paying them a bucket full of money does not change that. I will agree that there are a few players in the majors that milk the injury a little but they are very few and we all know who they are. (don’t think you find any Twins in that list)

I also love the “why don’t they just … _____” fill in any form of “get ride of the bum and bring in the great, yet somehow unknown by all other ball clubs, great player.

Finally, anyone who questions Nick Punto’s defensive skills loses all credibility to comment on anything baseball related. If you want to debate how he is used, if the Twins should have a player like that on the roster, etc .. that is fine; but if you want anyone other then the other tee-ball experts to care about what you have to say then don’t start out by making a fool of yourself.

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 am

Don’t underestimate the amount of training it takes to be a pro athlete. Not trying to hate on the demanding jobs out there but these guys are constantly working out and many are in the trainers room every day.

These guys are falling, sliding, diving and getting hit with stuff. Brendan Harris’ bat flipped on him in Milwaukee during a plate appearance and he’s still icing his shoulder because of it.

Joe Mauer has to jump in tubs of hot and cold water to get his muscles going every day. Johan Santana did it too.

Luis Castillo and Doug Mientkiewicz used to be wrapped in ice after games.

Joe Crede still has swelling on his hand from getting hit with a pitch over a month ago - and he’s built like a brick outhouse.

This stuff aint easy.

What sucks is that I’m stuck on a plane in KC right now with maintenance issues…

CT in MKE says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 am

Off topic….La Velle….what do you think of Havlat coming to the Wild?

Foreverblond says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 am

What about the troops that were just deployed into Afghanistan? As much as I love the game of baseball, I would have to think 120+ degree temps, sand storms and enemy combatants trumps the aches and pains of pro sports any day!

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:23 am

Thank you Chief for your 2:13. I’m a big Cal Ripken fan, but I always thought it was funny when he was compared to people who show up every day for work for 20 years (or something). His “work” day was two and half hours long for about six months. But he’s a great guy, so who cares!

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 am

I’m not even going to compare a soldier’s life to anything else in this world.

As for Havlat, he’s more of an all-around player than Gabby - they both are skilled but have been hobbled.

I’ll miss him. He was great in the postseason. Marian Hossa is great, too. But boy, are Detroit fans mad at him for the postseason.

The Wild needs to keep siging players. I’m sure the Mayor of Russoville is on that.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 am

Anyone who thinks a pro athlete’s work day is 2 and a half hours long is just choosing to be ignorant of the obvious.

Maybe that was the case decades ago. It is not the case today. That’s about like suggesting that since a movie is only 2 hours long, that’s all the time the actors spent making it.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:38 am

Sorry about the flight delay, LaVelle. Been there, done that, way too many times. But that’s the price you pay for sticking around KC for one extra night of BBQ and Blues instead of heading home after yesterday’s game! I’m sure it was well worth the inconvenience.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 am

Jim, they heaviest thing you lift is a pencil, please don’t call me ignorant.

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:54 am

JimCrikket, there weren’t any flights available after 6 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jackson says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:56 am

About that slide by Jose Guillen…someone on the Twins should have confronted Guillen about it. That is a very dangerous and unnecessary play. Otherplayers on other teams would have gone over to Guillen, and cursed him out. Or worse, punched him out.

Not the timid Twins. Next time they face KC, someone should buzz a fastball in his ribs and let me know we mean business.

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 am

JimCrikket, there weren’t any flights available after 6 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had to write after the game, you know…

I’ve been stuck on this plane so long that I will miss my connection in Detroit. That’s what I get for trying to save the company money and take the cheap route…FREE ME!!!!!!!

Jackson says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 am

La Velle, are the Twins going to make any significant moves this summer, or are we as fans stuck with the roster the way it is?

What about acquiring 2B Freddy Sanchez?

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 am

Jackson, the replay I saw looked about the same as one of our guys would do. Although some posters said Denard pulled up a little breaking up a double play recently. I’m a little surprised it was even talked about, except for Nick’s injury.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 am

lavelle you have to be careful posting on these blogs they are tricky. your next comment may have my email in it!

Jackson says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 am

Shaun, you’re totally wrong. Denard slid hard but was still in the basepath. Guillen was at least 3 feet outside of the basepath when he hit Punto.

The rule states you can slide hard to break up a play as long as you can still reach out and touch the base. Guillen couldn’t have touched the base with an extra two feet of arm length

JustinCB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 am

How long do you think Luis Ayala’s workday is right now?

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 am

A significant move?

The Twins?

Bwah ha ha!

Joe C. and I will be on the lookout for trade rumblings but we don’t think they have such a move in them. They talk to teams and they have good intentions but there’s no results.

Now we’ve been asked to de-plane…..great.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:13 am

I’m aware of the “reaching” rule. The replay on Squeeze Play looked like he was within that area. Like I said, it looked like something our guys have done. But no sense giving the Royals an incentive to come back and ruin any hopes we might have like they did last year, so we did the right thing. Paybacks are he!!

KG says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 am

Right on Jackson, Shaun is way off on this one. Guillen needs to get drilled next series. It’s not too often a slide is that horrible. Players slide outside of the base all the time, but like you stated, they are legal because they can reach the base. Guillen wasn’t even close. He’s lucky he doesn’t play the infield or he’d probably get spiked or a forearm to the chops like Cuddy got a few games back…if one of our guys steps up…

the Minnesota Cat says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 am

LaVelle,
Now that Manny R is available to be back in the Dodger’s lineup tomorrow do you think he’ll get much playing time in the outfield? They have been doing very well without him (and his antics) so will be interesting to see what happens now. Not good news if you have to de-plane.

KG says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 am

And Shaun, you wouldn’t be giving the Royals much incentive to come back, it was so blatant the players would be expecting it. He deserves it. From some of the things you here about him, they probably wouldn’t even care.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 am

must be pick on shaun day

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 am

LaVelle,

it’s the morning now and a lot of flights with a lot of companies you should demand Northworst to get you at the next available spot on any company (the delay was their cause and you have been apparently delayed more than 4 hours). Puddle jumper to St. Louis and direct flight to MPLS on American might be your best bet if their directs are full. Good luck!

BTW, Guillen’s slide was beaning-inducing dirty. But the Twins don’t do that kind of thing (and they had Dickey on the mount…)

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:32 am

Right Thry. When the dugouts empty the first guys they go after are Mauer and Morneau. A couple of torn ACL’s not worth it.

sid says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:36 am

“Shaun says:
Jim, they heaviest thing you lift is a pencil”

“must be pick on shaun day”

Must be partially self-inflicted.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 am

no sid, just playing along

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 am

Actually, Shaun, I think what I said was that anyone who thinks a pro athlete’s work day is 2 and a half hours long is choosing to be ignorant. Whether that shoe fits you or not… I can only guess based on your comments and your reaction.

By the way, while I now make a very good living without even lifting pencils very often (in fact, I’m not sure I’ve seen a pencil in several years), I did summer construction work to earn college money… five 10-hour days a week. So I’m quite familiar with manual labor, thanks.

LaVelle, sorry about the continued travel issues. At this point you might want to visit Avis.

coyotetom says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 am

You people that are defending the professional athlete need to get real. I understand that it is a 12 month job. Most jobs are. I also understand that, at most jobs, there is no chance of getting hit in the head by a 90 mph fastball, running into a wall at full speed or taking a spikes first slide at second base. However, these guys get paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a game. They should be able to play/perform through the minor stuff.

Also, for you that think RedDog is over the hill - without him the Twins have nobody with an ounce of spark or leadership. For those reasons alone - he is worth keeping.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 am

LaVelle,

Any Twins update on Sano or any other international news? Apparently the Pirates have made an offer to Sano.

Haven’t heard much about Bashore or Tootle. I’d expect them to sign, but was hoping SOMEONE (anyone) could help out at Beloit.

Speaking of Beloit (and now the GCL), what’s the feeling about Shooter Hunt and can he continue to be this bad?

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 am

As for the out-of-the-basepath slide, I’m not that excited about it. I think Cuddyer calling it “dirty” is a stretch. It’s outside the rules and the umpire reportedly was prepared to call the hitter out at 1B accordingly.

To me it just means the runner was trying to break up the double play, the same way every other runner tries to do so and slid too far to the right. It’s no “dirtier” than a guy taking out the SS when he can just barely reach the bag with his hand. There’s no pretense about sliding that way in order to have a better chance of reaching base safely. It’s done to make the relay tougher for the SS. When the runner “rolls” the fielder turning the DP, regardless of where the slide takes place, I consider that much “dirtier”. You’re trying to injure the fielder in that situation.

In this case, the guy slid too far to the right and the umpire got the call right. End of story.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 am

No problem Jim, but you gotta admit, it’s an incredibly well paid occupation and a pretty slack life doing what you love, what comes naturally anyway, and (not my opinion) playing a kid’s game.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am

Any Twins update on Sano or any other international news? Apparently the Pirates have made an offer to Sano.

Conflicting reports about Pirates’ offer to Sano. Pittsburgh paper says they made an offer, Jorge Arangure who covers the DR for ESPN says they haven’t. The Orioles are in it, as well. Too early yet. No announcements of any Twins’ signings yet. I am keeping an eye and let you all know what happens if it happens.

sid says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 am

I was not implying that pro sports is more physically demanding work than soldiers, roofers, etc.

I was just saying that when most citizens go to work injured or ill, their performance level drop is not very significant to the few people who care about it.

But when Redmond is dinged up, he still may have to catch RA Dickey and bat against Zach Greinke.
His performance level drop will be VERY significant to the fanatics and bloggers who will be momentarily suicidal when Red-Dog gets whipped.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 am

No problem Jim, but you gotta admit, it’s an incredibly well paid occupation and a pretty slack life doing what you love

If you compare professional athletes to movie and music stars who are paid about the same level, I’d venture to say that the athletes are having a harder time earning their money.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 am

Shaun and t98, when the topic was brought up it was about players not playing “nicked up.” I merely suggest that such an impression is most likely inaccurate and, as LaVelle pointed out, there’s a lot more work going on than what fans see.

Whether athletes work hard enough to earn their high (and arguably excessive) salaries is a completely different topic, imo.

I would also opine that in the world of athletes and other entertainers, it’s unwise to generalize. Some work very hard to maximize their results and take greater satisfaction in their own efforts. Some do the least they can to just get by. Just as is the case in virtually every line of work.

sane says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 am

“I’d venture to say that the athletes are having a harder time earning their money.”

Plus they can’t perform better while stoned, like rock stars.

clutterheart says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 am

Do athletes ever look up scores, news and email while at work?

Shawn Bradley Guy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 am

Was Cuddyer the one that called the Guillen slide into second “dirty”? Cuddyer should worry about his own slides into bases before he starts judging other peoples intentions.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:17 am

Plus they can’t perform better while stoned, like rock stars.

Who was that pitcher who threw his only career no-hitter on coke?

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 am

right sane. their performances are enhanced sometimes………..hey, wait a minute…………….

sane says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 am

Bill Lee?

But he was a rock star.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am

Doc Ellis, I think?

sane, Souhan quoted Cuddyer in his column today.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am

Dock Ellis

“I had taken LSD … I thought it was an off day. That’s how come I had it in me. I took the LSD at 12 noon. At one, my girlfriend looked in the paper and said ‘Dock, you’re pitching today’.”

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am

(bradley guy: it’s pick on shawn day)

sane says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am

“Enhanced” and stoned are not the same.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am

Oops, I thought it was sane that asked about Cuddyer. Guess my eyes got crossed.

Tx_Ryan says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 am

ayala, rondell white, tony batista, livan hernandez, jeff cerillo, phil nevin, adam everett, mike lamb, and this is just part of the list of bargain basement garbage the twins pick up every single off season.

Ruben Sierra comes to mind.

Tx_Ryan says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 am

How bad are the Pirates? They have promoted former Twins phenom Garret Jones and had him batting in the 3-hole yesterday.

Shawn Bradley Guy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am

Is it pick on ‘Shawn’ or ‘Shaun’ day…or is one today and the other one tomorrow, kind of like Canada Day and Independence Day right next to each other?

sane says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 am

It is actually Pick on Paranoids Day.

But only in their minds.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:46 am

you’re lucky.
you’re sane.

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 am

Hinske sure would have been a nice replacement for Buscher.

La Velle says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 am

FLIGHT UPDATE

After we got off the plane, all heck broke loose.

They announced that my flight would be delayed until 3 p.m. I got on the phone with an agent to examine my options. I’m not supposed to mention the airline involved so, I’ll make up a name: DeltaWest.

While on the phone with D-West, the flight was cancelled. Then a flight for JFK was cancelled and, suddenly, the gate area at KCI (which isn’t big) was filled with improvising travelers.

I got re-booked, but for 5:55 p.m. It’s not the end of the world. I have stories to write for tomorrow’s paper, so I will just drop anchor here at the airport and crank.

Check my blog later for some interesting news about Miguel Angel Sano. I’d write it now, but I’ve got these other stories hanging over my head…

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:56 am

Ouch. KCI is not a place that lends itself well to improvising when “heck breaks loose.” Good luck.

I think the ‘tease’ on Sano news was intended to make sure many of us stick around the blog to keep LaVelle company while he’s stuck at the airport. :)

the Minnesota Cat says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 am

LaVelle,
If they can get Sano’s age correct, do you think the Twins are really interested in signing this guy?

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:01 am

Good luck, LaVelle. Miguel Sane has been mentioned here before, I think he’s the next Albert Pujols but he’s only 15. Or 16. Who knows.

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:04 am

He’s a middle infielder Shaun. I expect the next Ernie Banks.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:04 am

oops. “Sano”
sorry sane.
hey! it’s pick on sane day!

sane says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am

shaun,
“you’re lucky.
you’re sane.”

Just a (phony) name.

Probably not an accurate diagnosis.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 am

MLBTR points out conflicting reports regarding Sano either having or not having (depending on the report) been made an offer by the Pirates.

Also suggesting he may command north of $4mil. Seriously… do any of us really believe the Twins are going shopping in that neighborhood?

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 am

In the $4 million neighborhood? No.

In the neighborhood of international free agent signing? Unless Sano turns out to be from Australia or the Netherlands, also no.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am

Doubtful, but Tony O made a great commercial about Latin players, and Sano is Latin. OB said he’s middle infield. Maybe the next “Zorro” Versalles:

http://www.beckett.com/items/213938/

Kim(stelly's chick) says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 am

La Velley,

Rent a car a drive home kiddo..it’s only 6ish hours or so.

Later Gator,

K

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 am

Well since the Twins do have a focus on the Netherlands, maybe they’ll pick up this guy:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/aroldis-chapman-defects.html#comments

Sure, he’s Cuban but he defected in the Netherlands… so that makes him eligible to be signed by the Twins, right? :)

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am

On Chapman -

“ESPN’s Jorge Arangure Jr. gathered some estimates and hears that the 21-year-old could sign a deal worth between $30-60MM.”

Sounds like a slam-dunk to me. :)

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am

Sure he’s eligible JC, but the Twins’ll probably tinker with his FB and it’ll go from 100 MPH to 93 MPH ala Deolis Guerra.

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am

I should say it’ll top out at 93 MPH.

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

So La Velle has a scoop on Sano that no one else has yet?

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 am

I saw the 30-50mm estimate. I find it difficult to believe, after the way the free agent market tanked last off season, that any team (even the Evil Empire) is going to put that kind of money out for a guy that in all likelihood is still going to need minor league development time. But I suppose someone might.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am

Oops. 30-60mm estimate.

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 am

From what I gather about Chapman, he has no control over his secondary stuff, averages 93 MPH on the FB and is 21. Pass.

AM says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

wow, that’s quite a tease on Sano, LEN…hope the update isn’t “the Twins have learned he’s 18 and will pass.”

Twins are over .500 at the half-way point. Baker and. Liriano are warming up.

DY us still awful in the field and at the plate. Twins need to go with the Span-Gomez-Cuddyer OF–it’s better offensively and defensively.

Anyone notice how nicely our lineup is doing taking walks 10% of the time? Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Span, Kubel, Punto, Crede all are at or near that mark. Gomez is up near 7%.

DY is under 3%. I want him to do well, but it sure isn’t looking promising.

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm

If he averages 93 with the fastball, he’s probably topping out at 95, maybe 96.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm

So La Velle has a scoop on Sano that no one else has yet?

Unless it is that the Twins will not make an offer, everything is pretty much out there:

a. Using a bone test his age was determined to be 16.
b. There are no offers to him yet.
c. He will probably not sign today with anyone.
D. Twins, Pirates, Orioles are the suitors currently

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm

thrylos, that’s why I asked. There’s wall-to-wall Sano coverage if you look for it. I find it difficult to believe that La Velle knows something that everybody else doesn’t.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 pm

If he averages 93 with the fastball, he’s probably topping out at 95, maybe 96.

Reports are that he consistently reaches 100 mph+.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5271

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Don’t believe everything you hear about those foreign radar guns.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Benny W, in 2 occasions in the WBC in the same game (with US radar guns) he reached 100 and 102

On the other hand, the Twins have a righty version of him in their system: Juan “wild thing” Morillo.

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

I’m not sure “some interesting news” necessarily translates in to a “scoop”. Let’s face it, true scoops are the coin of the realm in the news business. If it’s a true scoop, he’d get it out there fast.

I’d settle for just some insight in to what the Twins are really thinking with regard to their chances of being in on the guy.

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

This was my source (via JC’s link). It’s based solely on his performance in the WBC. If there is so much variance in his fastball and he has poor secondary stuff, he’ll be going to the minors and his future may lie in the bullpen. I wouldn’t spend 10 mil much less 30 mil for the guy.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Don’t believe everything you hear about those foreign radar guns.

No kidding. Wasn’t Liriano 98 and filthy coming into last year?

JimCrikket says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm

In related news… Indians 17 year old Dominican SS prospect Jose Osoria turns out to really be 20 year old Wally Bryan.

I expect MLB and the Tribe to go easy on the guy, understanding that it’s really quite possible he faked his identity simply because no self respecting Dominican could go through life with a name like Wally Bryan.

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm

JC,
the Indians might forgive Wally, but not the INS ;)

OB says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm

On Twinkie Power: yall can find em and draw your own conclusions.

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/homeruns_special.php?league=AL&type=JE

Benny W says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm

I just like saying “scoop”. It’s like something one of those old-timey newsmen with the press card in their fedora would say.

Breaking news…

thrylos98 says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm

This is just in from BA’s Ben Badler:

The Twins like Dominican SS Jorge Polanco (he thinks they’ll sign him; currently rated #23 in the 25 best BA July 7 prospects) and German OF Max Kepler.

Shaun says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Lavelle posted his scoop, I hope.
De plane boss, de plane.

I wanted to say that.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm

thrylos,

I don’t think that was BA’s Top 25 rankings. I think that was their list of expected bonuses (#1 - Sano expected to get the biggest bonus). I don’t know exactly what the difference is, but I think they were trying to make that point.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm

On Kepler from BA:

While most of the money on amateur international free agents will go to players from Latin America, scouts say 16-year-old German outfielder Max Kepler is one of the better European prospects to come along in recent years. Kepler, who bats and throws lefthanded, has an athletic, projectable body at 6-foot-4, 180 pounds. Kepler’s power should develop as he fills out his frame, but he already has a plus arm and above-average speed. The Red Sox, Mets and Reds have all signed players from Germany in recent years, and all three teams have reportedly shown interest in Kepler.

I would guess the Mets will outbid the Twins if it comes to that.

Jeremy says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm

On Polanco from CBS:

Jorge Luis Polanco is a 15-year-old who will be eligible to sign once he turns 16 on July 5. Polanco is a 6-foot switch-hitter who scouts say is better from the left side, showing above-average speed, with the hands, range and arm to remain at shortstop.

“Polanco is not on the same level as guys like Sano, Vinicio or Aybar,” said an international scouting director. “He’s more in the next level, but he might end up being a pretty good player.”

Tom says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Red Dog on the DL and bring up another P, since interleague is over we need the extra arm. If a trade can’t be worked out for a reliever maybe Crain gets a final chance.