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Deadline day update

Posted on July 31st, 2009 – 11:20 AM
By La Velle

The Twins had their phone lines going well into this morning. Unless there was a breakthrough this morning that we haven’t heard of, the feeling I got was that they weren’t close to making a deal.

ESPN reported last night that the Twins and A’s were making progress on a deal for shortstop Orlando Cabrera. That was not the sense I got after late evening communication. USA Today is reporting this morning that the A’s asking price was too much for the Twins. That’s in line with what Joe C. and I have heard for days. It’s unclear if Oakland has  moved off their demand for third baseman Danny Valencia.

There  is a belief that Oakland’s Billy Beane will play this up to the 3 p.m. deadline before lowering his demands.

Meanwhile, the Tigers have dealt for lefty Jarrod Washburn, a move that makes them the favorite in the A.L. Central. Instead of going after a bat, the Tigers - more of a pitching and defense team this season - strengthened their rotation. Luke French and Mauricio Robles weren’t listed among the Tigers’ top ten prospects by Baseball America heading into the season.

Not sure if there’s another starting pitcher out there that the Twins can deal for. But I’m surprised that the Twins couldn’t land Washburn based on what Detroit gave up.

There’s a belief that the Twins might look toward David Eckstein or Adam Kennedy for middle infield help. The front office feels the heat about making a deal. While I doubt they will make an impact trade, they might make a move just to show they did SOMETHING.

Joe C. and I are double-teaming this one up to the deadline. Will let you know if we hear something…anything….

142 Responses to "Deadline day update"

mj1 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:25 am

sick, sick, sick….im so frustrated right now i cant type…detroit goes and gets washburn for nothing…bill s is where?? taco shop ?? run him out of town…the guy is worthless and could care less what happens to the twins this year or how the fans feel… i am done….

Todd Anthony says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:25 am

Farking AWFUL regarding Washburn…just awful.

Is Smith REALLY trying? I mean, are our prospects so godawful that we couldn’t part with a “decent” prospect, like French for example, for Washburn?

Or is it that we’re just so miserly with our farm system that we’re scared crapless to part with another prospect?

fcmlefty says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am

French hasn’t been too bad really this year. At this time, he’s probably equal to Swarzak. I don’t put much stock in the preseason prospect ratings (guesses) though…they seem like hype and propeganda

Julia says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am

The team in front of us made a major move to shore up their rotation. Washburn would have looked very nice in a Twins uniform.

JT says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am

Here’s an interesting perspective on the Washburn deal from Dave Pinto… a lot different from what I’m reading here on these blogs.

http://baseballmusings.com/?p=38290
The Seattle Mariners send Jarrod Washburn to the Tigers for two pitchers:

The Seattle Mariners have traded left-handed pitcher Jarrod Washburn to the Detroit Tigers for rookie left-hander Luke French and pitching prospect Mauricio Robles, sources tell ESPN.

French made a pretty seamless move from the minors to the majors, with his walk rate rising a bit but still good. He doesn’t strike out many batters, but doesn’t give up a lot of home runs either. Robles is very young (20) with great single-A strikeout numbers and very few hits allowed. French takes Washburn’s place now, and Robles is someone who could be very good a couple of years from now.

The Mariners sell high on Washburn, who is having the best year of his career in terms of ERA. Given that his strikeouts and walks aren’t very different than last year (his HR allowed are down), and the Mariners defense played very well behind him, the Tigers probably aren’t getting a sub-3.00 ERA pitcher. Given that French was already pitching as well as you might expect Washburn to pitch down the stretch, I’m not sure what the Tigers gained here.

Nick says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am

I really don’t have much to add other than… pathetic. The Washburn deal just goes to show that the front office is incompetent and incapable of being a true front office.

Smith HAS to go if this team ever wants to break out of mediocrity.

TwinsAreFrauds says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:31 am

The Twins Are Frauds! Either we are overvaluing our prospects, or our minor league system is one of the weakest in the entire major leagues. How is it that Valencia is all of a sudden apparently one of our most valued prospects, but Detroit is able to swing two guys not even in their top 10 for Washburn? Bill Smith, Rob Anthony, and the rest of the front office are a complete joke, and we are complete idiots for continuing to care enough and invest enough emotionally to even write on a blog.

mj1 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am

unproven prospects are just that–unproven prospects…all this jibberjabber about how hes rated etc — who cares … he has done nothing at a major league level and very well may never do anything…ther percentages are small….thats why i could care less about how they rank prospects, because until they are in the game- no one knows anything….we just got spanked by detroit again because they actually want to win the central division and they have a better manager than we do….and certainly a better front office… bill smith again this year has proven to be a worthless piece of and i dont need to even say it…..i feel bad for the twins players that have to take the field tonite against the angels and play for mgmt that could care less…..awful..and i mean awful

Chad says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:33 am

The same every year for the Twin’s if they do make a trade it’s a non impact deal. If the Twin’s don’t win the division all you have to do is look at there inactivity and say they deserve what they get.

beetlejuice says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:33 am

Thanks LaVelle…My guess is that this pathetic Front Office will make a second straight move towards Eddie Guardado to help sure up the ‘pen. Now that would be doing SOMETHING. That should help even things out. Can’t wait to face Washburn a few more times.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:33 am

Really, what can be said that hasnt already? We all know Bill Smith is an idiot by now. Sanchez was the trade to make, he dropped the ball so at this point all he can do is screw it up.

Don’t trade Bill Smith, go down in flames with your precious prospects.

TwinsAreFrauds says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

I’ll tell you what the Tigers got - a proven veteran who gobbles innings and is having the best year of his career ERA wise - exactly the kind of move that says “we’re going for it! Come get us!” and the Twins will turtle and do nothing.

mj1 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

lavelle if you guys dont make bill smiths live miserable as hell i will never forgive you media people…you should be out frt and center screaming at this org to to the right thing…a thing called winning

Cobber_5 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

If Billy keeps this crap up the 2010’s are going to look like the mid 90’s and there will be NO Mauer or Morneau!

How can the Pohlads let Billy run this franchise into the ground just when they finally get a stadium. Im going to go throw up!

Sauce says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

extremely frustrating deadline..players we supposedly were targeting have gone, and for prices that we probably could have matched, if not topped. torii hunter said it best about the twins always building for a future that never comes. very discouraging trade deadline

BFE2009 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

Can someone provide a list of the Twins top 10-20 ranked Minor league players. An where these 20 rank with comparison to the rest of the league. IE..Is our top 20 the 10 best group, the 20th best group or the way it sounds the 30th best group of players. If this is the case then that explains why BS can’t do anything. They have drafted poorly and don’t have players with enough upside to get into the trading game.

Matt says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

A comparable deal for the Twins would have been Swarzak and Guerra for Washburn. That’s a high price to pay for two months of Washburn. Is he going to be that much of an improvement over Swarzak’s 11-12 remaining starts?

Brianharper12 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

Bill Smith is weak,last week.cant believe tigers cut deal for washburn.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

Its all going to be even more obvious to the M & M boys after Detroit wins the division. They can look at the Washburn trade as the writing on the wall.

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am

Why do you need a double team is beyond me. Twins don’t do enough at trade deadline to need even one person covering it. LOL

SM says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am

LaValle

Your last sentence was a funny way to end the update. Thank you.

amtrekman says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am

A year ago when Washburn’s ERA was around 5, everybody was cringing when it was reported the Twins were interested in him. A lot of folks didn’t believe he was the man. Before we all panic and overreact, let’s see how this all plays out.

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

I still don’t get the Mariners for making this deal. It is hard to believe they did not have a better offer Washburn.

beetlejuice says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am

For all of you knocking the pickup by the Tigers, what they got is:

-A guy who will help their bullpen by eating innings.

-A lefty who will pitch very well against the Twins, which I’m sure they are aware of.

-A sign to their players and fan base that they realize they have a shot of winning the division this year, and that they will add a piece towards that.

Meanwhile, in Billy Boy land. Nada, nothing. Nothing like drumming up support and excitement for a team again in a pennant race but needing help, and moving into a new stadium next year, as well as arguably it’s most important player ever up for a new contract in 2010. I mean, it’s unreal, but sadly completely believable.

ben says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

bill smith go choke on a bear claw you worthless excuse for a gm! the twins fo should be ashamed of themselves, they do not deserve to be associated with the twins organization. bs say goodbye to mauer and morneau when you see them.

PB says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

Sad. I feel bad for the team, and spare me the “LOL BUT THEY MAKE MILLIONS” stuff. They have no support from the FO.

Brianharper12 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

Is pissed off!

brians says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

I swear billy smith woulda turned down a deal for player in return for a sack of cans because the price of aluminum might go up.

mj1 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

i would love to hear from that moron smith…what lies will he tell us for not doing anything…this guy is so phony –all he cares about is filling the seats on opening day in that precious new stadium that was supposed to help us field a competetive team…who jerked who here …looks pretty obvious to me

jazzmanmb says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

Why is Bill Smith so protective of his 2nd and 3rd tier Prospects? Because he won’t sigh any free agent worthwhile, and we need the Lew Ford’s Buscher’s and Tolbert’s to fill a 25 man roster. It’s a fricken joke.

matt says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

how disgusting… can kiss mauer goodbye.

Jono says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

If I have to hear Bill Smith pull out the “not willing to morgage the future” line again this year I will go insane with frustration. Open your eyes, Bill: THE FUTURE IS NOW! What could we be waiting for that is better than having Mauer, Morneau, Kubel as the heart of the order, along with a pretty damm good closer to finish it off? Are we holding on to guys that will turn out better than these four? Haven’t heard of any. The future looks grim if these four leave, so do something now.

Chad says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

David Eckstein is no upgrade either is Adam Kennedy. Go get a starting pitcher!
Arizona has a couple

BSisBS says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

Who is excited for Bill Smith’s 3:30pm press conference were he tells us about how hard they tried! As a multi-year season ticket holder this team is really starting to make me sick and Bill Smith is my new most hated GM in town.

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

it boils down the the fact that Detroit DID make and deal and the Twins probably won’t…the Twins pride themselves on playing hard and hustling…..well…too bad the FO doesn’t hustle. I would rather they make a trade with the intention of making the team better and give up too much than not do a dern thing…..every year this is like going in for the annual colonoscopy.

TwinsAreFrauds says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

The Twins for years now have passed on top-notch prospects that have been available in the late teens, early 20s of the draft because of the representation these prospects had hired (Boras clients). The Tigers have been one of the teams that have not been scared to pick these guys, pay them, and apparently it is now paying off.

We all look at the Twins inactivity in Free Agency and trades and their lack of signings/acquisitions of high profile players as an unwillingess to spend money. This tightwadness extends well beyond free agency and trades. It goes to the draft, to latin american signings, etc, etc.

I don’t care what Reusse, Sid, Lavelle, any of these guys tell you “the Twins are trying, the Twins are working hard” - it’s all BS! They “try” to screw everybody else over and when other teams/players aren’t willing to get bent over and “ask for too much”, we shrug our shoulders and move on.

The twins are up 12% in attendance this year - MLB is up 5%. When are the Twins ever, EVER(!!!!!!!!) going to say “thank you” to their fans and show some committment to winning?

Oh, and if Sid and Bill Smith say one more time “ownership will support any move we want to make”, I’ll throw up. You all - Jerry Bell, Pohlads, Bill Smith, Antony, etc, etc. - are complete FRAUDS!

briarstreet says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

The 2 guys that could have helped us the most (Sanchez and Washburn) go somewhere else for deals we could have swung. The Minnesota Letdowns, can we re-name both the Vikings and Twins?

dmoen21 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

The Baseball America rankings are from last November. A lot has changed since then. The Twins (and other teams) Top 10 Prospect list would look a lot different now than it did back in November

AaronK says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

The irrational responses in this blog are pretty fun.

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

well put

JT says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

Oh… and Fangraphs loves this trade… for Seattle.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/washburn-to-detroit/

Wow. You’d think Washburn was a perennial Cy Young winner.

Would anyone here give Swarzak and Slama for Washburn? That’s probably about equivalent.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

I while sweaty Bill Smith is eating his Arby’s Beef N Cheddar lunch he realizes that ironic not dealing prospects for is BAD for the future of the organization.

Marty McFly says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

still think tigers will drop quickly in 2nd half. they needed help in the bull pen and so far haven’t gotten it.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am

I hope while sweaty Bill Smith is eating his Arby’s Beef N Cheddar lunch he realizes that ironic not dealing prospects for is BAD for the future of the organization.

union says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am

Other then a miracle and we land Halladay, all that’s left out there are table scrapes. Just another Twins GM who likes to sit on his hands as everyone passes him by. I hope you were kidding about David Eckstein or Adam Kennedy, that made me puke in my mouth!

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am

Well, readers here for the most part have not been shown to be the most ratinal of fans lol.

TC says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am

It’s too late Bill Smith, you’ve failed again.

fcmlefty says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am

Arizona’s two guys wouldn’t be bad acquitions yet, but don’t know how available they would be?

jama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

The Twins current Farm System is definitely one of the ten worst in baseball. You people don’t understand that the Twins don’t have many minor league pieces that other teams want.

GCOkemos says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

THis whole situation brings to mind this Simpsons moment:

Kent Brockman: “Doctor, would you say its time for us to run around bashing each others heads open and feasting upon the goo inside?

Nightline Guest: “Yes I would, Kent”

beauj says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

couldn’t we have gotten cabrera in the offseason without giving up a player?

okietwin says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

I have defintely not been impressed with Bill Smith’s tenure as GM thus far, however, I have to say that I agree with the decision to not make a move at the deadline this year. Although the Twins FO cannot say this in the media, I think it’s clear that they do not want to waste prospects and resources on this team. Deadline deals should be made to put good teams over the top and set them up for a run in the playoffs.

The 2009 Twins have floundered around .500 all year, found all kinds of ways to lose games and generally underacheived. In contrast, it was an absolute crime that TR failed to make a move at deadline in 2006. That team was around the best record in baseball all year….featured Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Santana, Lirano(most of the year)Radke, Nathan, a great bullpen and the very effective Pirannas. TRs failure to land a starter at deadline may have cost THAT team a WS when the staff was hit by injuries late in the year.

Has anyone watched the 2009 Twins v. Boston, NYY and LA? They have not just failed against them….they have been destroyed. Does anyone think the addition of Gonzolez, Scuturo, Eckstein, Cabrerra, a good reliever, etc. make the Twins competetive against those teams? Very wishful thinking.

In other words: Why waste prospects and money to gain a chance to win a terrible divison and get hammered in the first round of the playoffs?

If they need to mollify the stars they should do that in the off season by signing some REAL free agents or making a trade to put a team in the new ballpark that really does have a chance to get to the WS.

Go ahead and stand pat this year Bill.

Yes…I copied this from yesterday but the Tigers aquisition of Washburn does not change it one bit….

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

Sweatty Bill hasn’t failed yet……there is some AAAA player he can still nab and then claim victory!

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

That happens when you call up most of the minor league players of any talent.

gopherdudepart2 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

Dave Dombrowski owns Bill Smith. He is going after Luke Scott from the Orioles now too and will get him just watch. Tiger fortify Bill Smith sit’s on his hands as say’s we never react to what anyone else is doing. “We are proud of our principles and sticking to them as well as Doing things the right way.” “We will never mortgage the future for a future that never comes… oops I snuck that into the press conference”. You can see the baloon leaking it’s leaking air out slowley but surely out of the Twins clubhouse. Clutch to hope, beg for a deal get the wind knocked out of you pick yourself up and play. We will fall just short because of Bill Smith again. This one is going to be tough to take.

dmoen21 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

Basball America ranked the Twins 22nd in terms of best farm system. That was during spring training. Again, a lot has changed since then, but I would say the Twins are still in that 20-25 range. The Twins have a lot of depth at several positions, but they don’t have a lot of high upside guys. The Aaron Hicks type players with a ton of potential drive these type of rankings.

Brent says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

WOW! you guys are getting out of control. Calm down.

Cody Hamill says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

Good luck explaining this years lack of trades to Mauer, Morneau, and Nathan. If nothing changes M&M are as good as gone when they hit free angency.

Sassbottom says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

Writing from Seattle. Huge Twins fan, budding M’s fan. Developing a lot of respect for Seattle GM Zduriencik — he obviously a) has a plan and b) isn’t afraid to make a move.

Bill F. Smith, meanwhile, is no doubt huddled under his desk, curled up in the fetal position, sucking his thumb and whimpering for his mommy to make it stop.

digga says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

I’m shocked. There was an outstanding pitcher on the market and the Twins were unwilling to part with some half decent prospects to land that pitcher and improve the team’s chances to make and win in the post-season. Note to Mauer, please pick the Red Sox for 2011 cause I hate the Yankees.

Chad says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

How does any GM with a brain let a pitcher that you “want” go to the team leading your division???? Complete failure, no excuse for not landing Washburn…NONE. The O-Cab possible deal will not add any depth to this lineup so that’s probably the deal they will make just to say they made a trade. Very sickening stuff here…..

slpk45 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

jama- how about a little more respect than refering to everyone else as “you people.”

Larry says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am

Twins top prospects
Baseball Prospectus
Five-Star Prospects
1. Ben Revere, CF
2. Aaron Hicks, CF
Three-Star Prospects
3. Danny Valencia, 3B
4. Angel Morales, CF
5. Wilson Ramos, C
6. Shooter Hunt, RHP
7. Kevin Mulvey, RHP
8. David Bromberg, RHP
9. Carlos Gutierrez, RHP
Two-Star Prospects
10. Deolis Guerra, RHP
11. Jeff Manship, RHP
Baseball America
1. Aaron Hicks, of
2. Ben Revere, of
3. Wilson Ramos, c
4. Jose Mijares, lhp
5. Danny Valencia, 3b
6. Anthony Swarzak, rhp
7. Shooter Hunt, rhp
8. Kevin Mulvey, rhp
9. Carlos Gutierrez, rhp
10. Angel Morales, of
These are both preseason rankings… I hope they allow us to start 9 out fielders at some point

Matt says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am

The Twins are a mediocre 52-50 team with a chance to win a weak division. Do we really want the front office to deal away Hicks, Valencia, Swarzak, etc. in order to add average past their prime players (Cabrera, Sanchez, Washburn, or the assorted middle relievers)?

Rick says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

If you go by his history, Smith will trade Nathon for a back up outfielder.

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

Twins do the same thing every year. The frusration from fans is boiling over. I worry what the Twin’s’ best players are thinking as well.

saam says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

JT, Thanks for the links.

I read something a few weeks back that said pretty much the same thing about Washburn. He’s a decent pitcher but is unlikely to continue his great success outside of Seattle.

I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. While I am disappointed that they didn’t fix the obvious middle infield hole earier in the year, I don’t see much point in trading for Washburn now since they would have to give up young pitching to get him.

Mauer to Boston says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

I agree with digga. I hope he picks the Sox. I guess they are more likeable than the Yanks.

Jono says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am

Hicks and Valencia are the only two from us that people want. Whereas Boston and Philly have 6-8 names being thrown around. Apparently Terry Ryan and BS do not draft well either

Jesse says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am

David Eckstein or Adam Kennedy? PLEASE, don’t bother. If Beane won’t give up Orlando Cabrera for anything but a Blue Chip prospect, then hang up the phone, Billy. That’s rediculous.

twinsfanMN says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am

If the Pohlad family still has the best interest of this franchise, its players, and its fans in mind, a “serious” meeting with Bill Smith regarding his decision making should follow this year’s deadline and his performance during it. To not make any move for a pitcher, especially a SP at this point when the need is so very glaring, is simply inexcusable.

Eddie Shore says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am

The irrational responses in this blog are pretty fun.

This blog should be sponsored by Ritalin.

Brent says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

It is interesting that everyone forgets all the impact players the Twins currently have on there roster (except Nathan) had come through the farm system. Where would we be if we sold Morneau when he was in A ball.

I know we all thought the Twins shoudl get whatever they could for Span when he struggled through the minors, but I can tell you now that I am glad they were patient with him.

Or after Kubel came back and did not look the same from his injury we may have been able to recoup some value in the form of a Veteran Pitcher in 06, but where would we be now without him in the lineup.

The twins had the chance to dump Baker on the Rangers for Soriano in 05 and choose not to. THere is no way they make a run at the playoffs last year without him, and there is no way we make a run at the playoffs without him this year.

Point is this team could have sold some of its players years ago hoping to make it to the World Series, but there is no guarantee that they would have gotten there.

MHFESQ says:

July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

I do think fans are overreacting on the Tigers-Washburn deal. Washburn has been great this year, and historically very good against the Twins. However, historically, he has not been a good starter. I would put him 4th or 5th in our rotation. A closer look at his numbers this year indicate his walk rate and k rate are the same as ever. The only thing that has changed much is BABIP (batting average on balls in play) which has dropped considerably. BABIP is a result of luck, which indicates Washburn is due for a regression to the mean.

Toby Gardenhire says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Everyone relax!

My old man told me Bill Smith is going to call Toronto and dangle me out there for Halladay.

That should seal the deal.

swmama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

This Cabrera trade talk is bugging me because I will say he isn’t a diference maker but we could have signed him for the same money Punto got. Now we have to trade for Cabrera for what little pieces we have in the system to replace Punto. Wait I forgot, Punto will always play as long as Gardy is manager. The mid 2010’s could be the late 1990’s all over again with this kind of decision making.

NfldTwinsFan says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Forget Eddie G…get ready for the return of LaTroy Hawkins!

Steve H says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

If this is true, let’s hope they gave up very little or Nick Punto
From MLBtraderumors.com

A’s source: Cabrera trade “very close” to happening
From Chronicle Staff Writer Susan Slusser

Orlando Cabrera is very likely to be a member of the Minnesota Twins in the next hour or so.

An A’s source tells me that a deal is “very close.” Despite a report on ESPN in the past 20 minutes, there is no need for any OK from the commissioner’s office.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=44651#ixzz0MrD4TKMM

Duluthguy says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

via mlbtraderumors.com:

Twins close to getting Cabrera

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=44651

jhawk90 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Last year it was the bullpen, this year it’s the rotation and the bullpen. Arguably the rotation is in worse shape now than the bullpen was at this point in ‘08. The inactivity - even on the FA scrap heap front - is confounding.

Honestly I don’t fault the team for giving up Valencia, thinking Casilla/Harris/Punto can carry their weight better down the stretch, but they aren’t going anywhere without arms on the hill.

jhawk90 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

*NOT giving up Valencia

John J says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

So the Tigers get an ace for French and a low prospect. Yet the A’s ask for our top 3 prospect for measily Cabrera? Is every GM out to get Minnesota teams or what? Why are we the team that always gets screwd and can’t make an easy deal for a mediocre player. I’d laugh at the A’s GM and hang up the phone for them wanting Valencia for masily Cabrera.

mj1 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

bill smith should do the twins a favor and major league baseball a favor…leave..the man is not qualified or talented enough to be in the position he is in…he makes that quite obvious— this has just got to bother the players something awful, to see your no #1 competitor make moves on the players you need so despertately…i would not be surprised if detroit did it purposely to upset the twins org…pretty damn bright on their part if that was part of their plan….

Larry says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

A’s source: Cabrera trade “very close” to happening
From Chronicle Staff Writer Susan Slusser
Orlando Cabrera is very likely to be a member of the Minnesota Twins in the next hour or two.
An A’s source tells me that a deal is “very close.” Despite a report on ESPN in the past 20 minutes, there is no need for any OK from the commissioner’s office.
Top Twins prospect Danny Valencia is not a part of the deal, I’m told.
I just hope they bench Punto instead of Harris.

Jono says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

Its not specifically the Washburn deal, but the fact that Detroit identified a weakness and were aggresive enough to fix it, apparently without giving much up. Smith refuses to do this. thats where the frustration comes

sy says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

So what if Nathan gets old and Mauer and Morneau leave?

We will still have the Dome-field advantage.

Oh, wait………

JimCrikket says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

I’m not going to bother reading all the comments… I can pretty much guess the tone of most.

Re: Washburn, on the one hand, it seems like the Tigers got him for a lot less than the Ms were reported (not confirmed that I know of) were asking of the Yankees. But it still seems like a pretty good haul for a half year rental since he’s a FA at the end of the year. If I’m the Twins, I wouldn’t give up a ton for Washburn either.

Re: Eckstein, I don’t know which bothers me more… that the Twins would be considering Eckstein or that the current situation at 2B is so bad that Eckstein actually would be considered an improvement.

Of the MI names still tossed around, I might prefer Kennedy over the others. Scutero would be OK, I guess. I just don’t see anything happening there.

All in all, another disappointing trade deadline for the Twins players and their fans.

Is the problem that BS is a poor deal-maker or is the problem that the player development organization has failed to develop enough minor league talent that other teams would even be interested in? Either way, it does not speak well for the Front Office of this organization.

thrylos98 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

Looks like the Cabrera deal is just about done.

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

I hope the Twins didn’t give up what is left of the farm because they were desperate for any kind of deal to be made. Bill Smith’s ability to make a good deal is highly questionable at best.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

Say it aint so thrylos!

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Toby……Be careful for what you wish for……..I don’t think there are any “local hardware stores” in Toronto

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Toby……Be careful for what you wish for……..I don’t think there are any “local hardware stores” in Toronto

TwinsAreFrauds says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

And how is it that teams like Boston, Philly, the Angels, the Dodgers have so many prospects? Because they sign free agents and thus aren’t forced to depend 100% on their farm system and call up people that aren’t ready (Casilla, Gomez, Young - who should be in the minors). And because they draft and are willing to pay top-notch talent. Ben Revere has worked out well so far, but he was the 48th best HIGH SCHOOL PROSPECT in that years draft. Did the Twins need to draft him in the first round vs. the 2nd or third? I would bet money they didn’t, but we’ll never know. It’s just ridiculous.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Unless its for Toby Gardenhire and a can of snuff its a bad trade.

thrylos98 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Orlando Cabrera from Oakland in exchange for SS Tyler Ladendorf. Done deal

jama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

slpk45

“You people” was the nicest I could get. Some of the commenters have no understanding of the Twins farm system. It’s not everyone just the morons screaming that the Twins should trade marginal prospects for impact players. Other teams don’t want the Twins garbage prospects anymore than the Twins do.

You’re right though I should have specified who I was talking about. That would be the idiots that think Valencia has more value than Alderson and the ones that think Rochester is full of valuable assets.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

Nice, who the f is tyler ladenwhoever?

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

Twins don’t have the revenue to make those kind of moves and deals that Boston and New York does. Minnesota does not have the fan base or the population to make a deal at that level.

sane says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

“but the fact that Detroit identified a weakness and were aggresive enough to fix it”

If LH SP was a Detroit weakness, they just gave up one (French) to get one. (Washburn)

And French was younger, cheaper, has been almost as effective; and would have been around longer than the rental. (Washburn)

The Tigers may have improved, but they haven’t eliminated an existing weakness.

howeda7 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

I’m not sure I see how we could have done the Washburn deal unless we felt we could sign him to an extension, which was unlikely given he’s a Boras client. We would have had to part with Perkins or Swarzak and another pitcher. Is the upgrade from Perkins/Swarzak to Washburn for 2 months worth giving up the 4 or 5 years of additional service time? Probably not.

All that said, if they fail to do ANYTHING for the 6th year in a row when the franchise player has basically said he’ll walk, I will officially jump on the Fire Bill Smith bandwagon.

blecakis says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

Time for the Twins and Bill Smith to put their big boy pants on and do something!!!!!!!!!! Living in Chicago as a Twins fan and consistantly watching everyone else in the division do something to improve is really getting frustrating!!!!

Brent says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

of course! We are all clamoring for a deal, one is likely made and now it is the wrong deal. Go figure.

The Twins have a ton of potetial and depth in the Lower Minors, but what has hurt them here is they have no depth at the upper minors. Any team wanting propects that are less than two years away could instantly scratch the Twins off their list.

OP says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

Twins Acquire Orlando Cabrera
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:08pm CST]
12:08pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown says it’s a done deal, with the Twins sending Tyler Ladenorf to Oakland for Cabrera.

Cabrera, 34, is hitting .280/.318/.365 on the season in 448 plate appearances. He has $1.75MM remaining on his contract, once you factor in a $250K bonus for being dealt. Though he profiles as a Type A free agent after the season, Cabrera’s agent wisely negotiated a clause disallowing his club to offer arbitration. So, no draft picks for the team for the loss and no impediment to signing Cabrera from the player’s point of view.

thrylos98 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

who the f is tyler ladenwhoever?

Second round pick in 2008, highest ranking SS prospect in the system. .410/.500/.721 in Appy league this season before moving up to Beloit.

Shaun in Chicago says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

I don’t get this. We could have had OC as a FA, but I remember seeing comments on here about his attitude.

I understand that Tyler Whoever is a no name, but still!

mike wants wins says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Where would we be if we traded Liriano high? You can point all you want to guys they didn’t trade, and how that helped. I can come up with as many anecdotes about guys they didn’t trade (there were highly regarded) that later were terrible players.

The point is: they don’t make trades to acquire impact players. they don’t sign FAs in their prime playing or earning years. Their players believe they aren’t trying to win.

Their minor league system is bad right now, so we shouldn’t sign FAs or make trades, we should rely on our minor league system? Um, that doesn’t sound like a great strategy to me.

M&M&K&N have a finite time when they are in thier prime and healthy. NOT filling in the holes around them, to protect a future that may never come, makes no sense.

Who here could have predicted Liriano would be either not playing or one of the worst pitchers in baseball for three years running? The future is a great unknown. The present is much more known (though still not totally predictabl). Maybe Revere’s knee injury makes him a mediocre player - we don’t know. We DO KNOW he won’t play in the majors this year or next. We DO KNOW that mauer and morneau and kubel and nathan and cuddy aren’t getting any younger. We DO KNOW that the history of catchers is that they wear out faster than any other position.

And, we DO KNOW, the Twins will do nothing about it, because the other team just wanted too much and they didn’t want to mortgage the future.

Sad really.

GENO says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

TheTwinsAreFrauds-If you want to see a real fraud,look in the mirror!

GBG says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Still waiting for anyone to answer this:

Would anyone here give Swarzak and Slama for Washburn?

Well — would you have?

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Thanks Thrylos. Did we get fleeced?

jama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Not the worst trade BS has made but it doesn’t do much to help the team.

jamie says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Twins get Cabrera for Ladendorff

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Oh SNAP Geno!

danimals says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Isnt Dan Uggla available?

John Castino says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

I can’t be too upset about the Twins going after and getting Washburn. When and who was the last significant trade deadline player this team has got? Shannon Stewart???

sane says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Fraud,
“and call up people that aren’t ready (Casilla, Gomez, Young - who should be in the minors”

Young and Gomez were never called up by the Twins;
They were already in the Majors with their previous teams.
Young was a Rookie of the Year runner-up with the Rays.

thrylos98 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Thanks Thrylos. Did we get fleeced?

I think that it is ok, esp if Cabrera gets on fire playing for a new contract.

TwinsAreFrauds says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Really? Boston, LA, and Philly are in larger markets and have more revenue? I’m not talking about 225 million dollar deals. I am talking about maybe paying a little extra for 6-7-8-9 million dollar a year guys. I’m also talking about budgeting 7-8 million dollars for the draft vs. 5-6 million and drafting guys who fall due to representation.

Don’t forget - the Twins are still collecting on revenue sharing, and their payroll is $15 million LESS than it was two years ago. Again, an embarrassment.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

The youngster has good numbers. Knowing Bill Sith, Tyler Ladendorf will turn into Nomar Garciaparra.

Cris E says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

John Sickles just wrote the following on the BBTF scat:
“1:10 John Sickels: Ladendorf, great tools, blew away the appy league in June and early July, awful after moving up to Beloit “

jama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

I wouldn’t say the Twins got fleeced but he’s the only SS prospect the Twins have that can actually hit.

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pm

If the Trade is really official…..kudos to Billy….it’s a start…..O-Cab rarely strikes out….has a good glove…kind of player Gardy likes….and comes at a fair price….now if Billy can get some pitching……It will have been a good day

gopherdudepart2 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

I’m shocked they were able to pull the trigger. Kudos to BS for at least trying. I’m good with O-Dog from the A’s kind of excited actually. He can fill in the two hole and extend the line-up and keep Punto at second. Now get rid of Buscher and all will be good.

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Thrylos brings up a great point. OC is playing for a new contract. Incentive if nothing else.

JimCrikket says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

As I’ve said before, it’s not that I have a problem with Orlando Cabrera, per se, it’s just that I have no confidence that Gardy will use him to replace the inneffective offensive performers. Instead, he’ll replace Harris. Harris and Cabrera is an improvement. Cabrera and Punto/Casilla is not much of an improvement (other than perhaps resulting in slightly better depth as Harris becomes the primary back up at 3B).

mike wants wins says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

I am SHOCKED they dealt for a guy in his mid-30’s, that isn’t much better than the guy they have at his position, that isn’t making much money, that won’t make a major impact on the team. Shocked, really, that they didn’t go after a better player, that made more money, that would have been under club control for more than 2 months.

Really, I never would have guessed that BS would be this bold.

Cris E says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

…and by scat I mean chat.

(Yikes, where did THAT come from? Paging Dr Freud to the Emergency room, Dr Freud…”

David84 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Hey all,

Settle down about Washburn. Opponents are hitting only .245 on all balls put in play against him. This is unsustainably low and is going to spike, especially now that he’s going to Detroit and leaving that cavernous park and all-star defense behind in Seattle for the friendly Comerica and aging OF in Detroit. This move does not help Detroit as much as it seems it does at first glance.

David84 says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Anyone think Cabrera is insurance at third for Crede?

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Well Jama, if he is such a great shortstop prospect why were other teams not asking for him?

Tony says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

I agree that it is more than frustrating to sit and watch another trade deadline pass w/o us making a deal. What scares me the most is what this tells Mauer… It tells him we don’t care that you want to win, it is more important to keep our prospects. It is that same mentality that caused us to lose Hunter and Santana. Our front office protects their prospects because they are so afraid of another David Ortiz situation. It is pathetic, and I wouldn’t blame Mauer if we see him in Boston in 2012.

I would like to know how many top 5 prospects turn into an all-star. How pathetic is it that we wouldn’t trade Valencia for Sanchez because he may end up being as good as… Sanchez!!!

MORONS

Jono says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Ageed JC, If Cabreras replace Punto at short we are a better team. Make punto a super sub again.

Matt says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Thrylos, Those Appy League numbers make Ladendorf look better than he really is carrying a career minor league hitting line of .257/.350/.384

Was it better to deal Ladendorf and keep Plouffe?

shane mack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pm

…if nothing else it gets worthless Buscher off the roster.

Nora says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

What a shock Twins make a move and people are still complaining. Not saying it was a great deal but it is better then doing nothing as the Twins usually do.

Benny W says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Wow, we got him. O-Cab doesn’t do much for me, but hopefully he can be a good influence on Casilla and Gomez.

sane says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Gave up Ladendorf?

There goes the @#$%@#$% future!

buzzwoody says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Mlb TV is gushing over the trade…..saying the Twins did great…..at least this is fun to hear!

gobbledygookguy says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm

this means they probably dfa harris to make gardy happy.

danimals says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm

If we wanted Washburn, we could’ve done it last year (and bought low).

jama says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Nora

I never said that he was a great prospect. All I said was that he was probably the best SS prospect the Twins had, which isn’t saying much. The Twins have no Middle Infield depth throughout the whole organization.

Again I don’t think this was a bad trade but it wasn’t a good trade. It seems to me BS basically just made a trade to say that he made a trade.

Zack says:

July 31st, 2009 at 12:35 pm

I hope O-Cab is playing 2nd with Harris at Short.

I don’t expect that.