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Twins-Royals: No Crede. No Nathan

Posted on August 22nd, 2009 – 5:09 PM
By La Velle

Joe Crede turned his left ankle while running to first base on Friday so the Twins are holding him out of tonight’s lineup. Crede told me he can play, but the Twins are taking it easy.

It still looked bad last night to see Crede walk out of the trainer’s room with ice on his shoulder, back AND ankle.

Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said this might be the first time Joe Nathan really is unavailable for a game. Nathan threw 53 pitches on Friday, the most in his Twins career. Gardy will go with matchups in the late innings - that sounds like Guerrier and Mijares…

Matt Moses is in the Twin Cities to have a middle finger examined. It doesn’t sound good for the former first round pick.

Lineups

Twins (59-63)

1 .Denard Span, RF
2. Orlando Cabrera, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Jason Kubel, DH
5. Michael Cuddyer, 1B
6. Delmon Young, LF
7. Brendan Harris, 3B
8. Carlos Gomez, CF
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B

Pitching: Brian Duensing

Royals (47-74)

1. David DeJesus, LF
2. Brayan Pena, DH
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Miguel Olivo, C
5. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
6. Mark Teahen, 3B
7. Mitch Maier, CF
8. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS
9. Josh Anderson, RF

Pitching: Kyle Davies, RHP 

121 Responses to "Twins-Royals: No Crede. No Nathan"

SethSpeaks says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm

I’m not sure much has looked good regarding Matt Moses the last four years.

I’m guessing there will be a huge Duensing contingent in KC tonight too.

savvyspy says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm

With Duensing on the hill the need for the closer should be minimal. He’ll be lucky to get through 4 innings with less than 110 pitches.

Hockey Rube says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm

I really hope Crede stays healthy enough to play a majority of the games the rest of the way. 5 guys with 20 HR’s would be a nice change. Of course so would the playoffs but thats slowly fading away

Terry Felton says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Sept 01 can’t come soon enough.

thelenman says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm

what is the significance of sept 1st?

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but it’s good to see Harris at 3rd, instead of both Punto & Casilla in the same lineup.

Hopefully Casilla can build off a nice game last night.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm

Casilla seems to be playing better since the arrival of OC. Keep him playing & keep Punto AVAILABLE on the bench for “defensive replacement” late in games. Also, has Delmon started turning the corner toward using his potential? Could be.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm

joe crede, is just an accident waiting to happen, i thought he had a bad back- they didnt say he was as brittle as glass in every other part of his body…oh,how good casey blake would have been….coulda, woulda, shoulda thats the story of this team this year–thanks again to mr blll smith gm extraordinaire-

acutally hes the biggest loser of the whole damn bunch…cant we have him fired for gods sake-put pressure on the pohlands to get a real baseball man in there

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

well at least kc is giving us a chance by leaving the right fielder in there

Tom says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm

R Ukidding me with Crede????

mike wants wins says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm

Crede is hurt? Shocked. Can I retract my rant in the paper today?

Their refusal to DL anyone will eventually cost them a game.

NoraG1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm

Crede is a walking injury geesh. He ought retire after this year he literally can’t stay on the field for more then a couple of days.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm

say goodbye to crede and send him packing-thank him, pay him and see ya…there is no future for him on this club…im not sold on valencia at all, but if hes the guy, lets see what he has now, so they can make adjustments in their thinking if need be and not at the end of spring training….

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm

credes thankful he’s not a horse

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm

wow, thats a second baseman….thats the best ive ever seen - flat out, unreal

WildMonkey says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Crede has to be the biggest joke when it comes to owies. The guy is just a liability, and it’s really too bad since he hits homers whenever he manages to stay on the field.

Mike in Phoenix says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Where are all the Casilla haters now? Hello? Silence is deafening

vicar7 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Punto makes that play without leaving his feet.

Punto Sucks!!!!! says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm

vicar7??? All I have to say is get real!! Casilla has been a huge disappointment this year but that play was unreal, probably #1 on the web gems this evening!

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm

Casilla also turned a nice double play. The other play will be the #1 web gem on ESPN tonight. That was a great play.

vicar7 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm

u understand sarcasm right?

mickey mental says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm

despite his average with risp, cuddyer sure seems to hit a lot of bases-empty doubles and home runs in close games. if there isn’t a statistic to quantify such things, doesn’t it suggests a serious flaw in statistics?

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

thats probably the play of the year by a 2b - i dont know what could be better…that was a flat out belly flop…

vicar7 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pm

Cuddy comes up a lot of times with nobody on due to who hits in front of him. He will still get to 80 RBI when all is said and done.

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm

Second baseman never touched the bag for force out. The bases should be loaded with 1 out.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

Keppel has looked very hittable lately. Hope he doesn’t blow this for Duensing.

Marathon608 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

Why did Gardenhire take out Duensing for the 6th, replacing him with Keppel? When will they notice Keppel can’t pitch?!! Another poor coaching decision!!

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm

All I can say is Gardy please leave Casilla out there, the kid is gaining confidence in his play, and Harris should be in more also. They both bring a lot of offense to the table and that Gomez, I tell you boys and girls will be a stud some day and down the line you will end of saying Santana was worth Gomez and Guerrera, long after Johan’s effectiveness wears out. Judging by watching a lot of Met games he has pitched this year, a little life has left his pitches for sure. Please leave Punto on the bench, he is a okay utility player but the other should get the majority of playing time. Please Gardy do not screw up these players.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

As I stated at 6:07, Casilla should be playing over Punto. Casilla has “relaxed” now that we have OC @ SS. But what is Keppel doing on the roster?

shazel says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

Twins BP - Nathan = Managers worst nightmare

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:12 pm

What is Keppel doing on our roster?

beetlejuice says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Can we PLEASE end the Bobby Keppel experiment?? He is awful and should not be on any MLB roster. The guy is garbage.

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:14 pm

Keppel just had his last chance. I hope I never see him in a game again. Gardy: What were you thinking putting him in there.

beetlejuice says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

Keppel is the fruit of Bill Smith’s labor, or lack thereof. The guy is not a major league pitcher. This staff needs about 3 or 4 more MAJOR LEAGUE pitchers.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

Keppel has replaced Crain (and others) as the pitcher I least wanna see with the game not already out of reach (or in any other situation, for that matter).

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:17 pm

UNDERSTAND PEOPLE, this is why GARDENHOSE should not be a manager. Why was not Duesing allowed to go out and relax and pitch another inning, what a freaking pitch count?! Keppel is a bum, a stinking bum, he sucked moose in Florida and he sucks now. God where is Humber, anyone besides this piece of crap. Really folks Gardy has too go, he is simply killing our team, simply killing it.

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm

Crain threw a 98mph pitch according to gamecast.

flatblade says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:19 pm

I am a Casilla guy as well. Since his last recall, he hasn’t hit a lot, but has fielded his position flawlessly, run the bases very well and taken his share of walks. He’s had a bad year hitting, but he is certainly better than a .190 hitter, maybe not the .300+ we saw from May until he was injured last year.

Mike in SD says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

According to another paper, Gardy stopped and had a beer with tailgaters.

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Casilla should start the rest of the year and Punto should be a sub and play only when someone needs a rest or gets hurt.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 pm

Amen to that Nick34.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm

I really think that Delmon is starting to turn it around also…… too bad that liner was not just 6 inches higher.

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Yeah bad luck for Delmon, but I am miffed when Cuddy did not at least have a bunt attempt or 2, we could always use another run. Again this manager is just not that bright. I hope he’s gone so he doesn’t any more of these kids. Nothing against Nick, but we need to play for the future and the more firepower and talent the better. Let’s go Crain, you got your arm back now use your head, stay aggressive, think boy!

Nick34 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm

DP would be nice about right now.

Mighty Casey says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm

you don’t bunt with one of your best hitters…

especially with delmon young one deck.

Mighty Casey says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm

GREAT play by gomez and harris!

..shoulda caught it obviously but really heads up.

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Excuse me Mighty Casey but Cuddy is a .270 and this is Twins baseball correct? Fundementally sound? Young has every bit a chance as Cuddy as driving in that run. In retrospect with this bullpen and their heads up their asses we’ll need that run. Could someone explain the difference between throwing and pitching to Mr. Crain, he obviously has no grasp of the concept. Please come back BOOF and Neshack at least you boys can get outs for god’s sake.

stinky says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm

i’d feel alot better right now with matty G and nathan finishing out the pitching. I guess leave Mijares in and let matty G finish it out.

Mighty Casey says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm

excuse me furbee but cuddyer has a solid 20 hrs, leads the team in doubles and has 58 rbi.

oh and delmon youngs strikes out a whole hell of a lot more often than cuddy does.

of course i’m the stupid one for even acknowledging your post but i’m bored.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm

The bullpen is raising my blood pressure.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Can Guerrier get 5 outs and the save?

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

That one run lead feels extremely shaky with Nathan not available.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm

And I’m now live. I love the DVR.

Did I miss anything here? Love the play of Casilla today.

cc in stcloud says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

This is a pretty short thread tonight, is everyone at the game?
We need to cut Keppel loose. When do September call ups come?

Not so Original Kevin says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Can we just get rid of Crain for good? Anybody all the way down to Class A would be better than Crain. Why do we bother with him?

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

I believe Sept. call ups come in, ah, September. And Gardy is pitching Keppel because that’s who management has given him. And lord knows our other pitchers are begging to get on the DL…apparently.

cc in stcloud says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

I’m with you Macleod, I just got DVR, but now with the Twins sliding I find myself fast forwarding when we are on defense or at the bottom of the order on offense.

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Excuse me Might Casey but Delmon has been swinging a good bat lately, hence that’s why he is in the lineup, something strange for Gardenhose. I like Cuddy, but let’s be frank more often then not those homers and doubles have not been at crunch time. It is baseball move the runner over have confidence Delmon can do it and he’ll prove you right. We could have used that run. Anyone know why this game still hangs in the balance? Gardy, great decision to pull Duensing out after one difficult inning, I mean, my god he threw what 80-85 pitches. Geez with all the work he’s had and so many starts, maybe his arm would have fallen off. Off course better to keep with your theory of getting a solid 5 innings, don’t let the kid go out for the 6th with a 4 run lead. No,no bring that former and present bum Bobby Keppel in, because, well you know how much we depend on pitch counts. We don’t want a solid quality start, no use that bum because he is SOLID Gardy. God I know it will not happen but I want his fat ass out of town tomorrow, he is such a bad manager and strategist. Soooooooo very bad.

cc in stcloud says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

So sometime between Sept. 1 and Sept. 30 then… gotcha

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

Yeah Macleod Gardenhose was given Keppel, but he has to use him? He cannot see if Brian Duensing can give him an inning plus or more with a 4 run lead and not a huge pitch count. I beg to differ and even with a healthy staff, minus any injuries, this dunce of a manager will screw it up. People understand our team can be so much better with an intelligent manager and staff. It is baffling how he does not get called out about decision making in the media. In Boston, NY or other big media centers he would be destroyed.

cc in stcloud says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

There is your clutch Cuddyer hit.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

Cuddy comes through with a “great” AB, to drive in an insurance run.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

On weekdays the Twins game start at 5 pm here in CA, so I always dvr the games. And I have found myself fast forwarding a lot lately when we are on defense. It doesn’t hurt as much when the starting pitcher gets yanked early.

Sept. 1 should be the call ups.

How does anybody know yet when Duensing should have been yanked? Is his arm stretched out and strong enough? Hasn’t he been a reliever since his call up?

And…a big hit for Cuddy for a late rbi!

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

So I guess Gardy should ignore some pitchers and play with an even more shortened bull pen? You are seriously saying Managers should just not pitch a guy? At all? These are all guys that are on the major league roster and they will play.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

“I like Cuddy, but let’s be frank more often then not those homers and doubles have not been at crunch time.”

I think that was crunch time.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm

kubel should have been bunting with 0 outs- i dont care if youre mickey mantle= no outs and 2 on calls for a bunt-i know alot dont agree but youre just looking to get a run or two for insurance now.. and we got lucky after the double play but more often than not we come away with 0- lets hope this is enough…

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

I’ll go ahead and point out the obvious. In the “big markets”, Gardy would not have to make such tough decisions about playing guys like Keppel, Crain, Punto, Casilla. Your analogy is preposterous.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm

In Boston, NY or other big media centers he would be destroyed.

The NY media? The same media that when the Yankees pounded some team made the front page headline all about how A-Rod was the only Yankee who DIDN’T homer in the game?

The NY media that takes one of the best 3B’s in baseball and finds it neccesary to spend more time on the sports page covering his nights out with the ladies?

That NY media?

USAFChief says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

furbee…before you embarrass yourself even more (you’re the guy calling Nathan a bum last night, right?)…

Duensing has only started one other game with the big league team this year, on July 29th.

He’s exceeded

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm

And for people wondering why Gardy doesn’t like using Nathan for more than one inning…now you know.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

mj1: your idea assumes your big rbi guys can lay down a bunt. I guarantee you they are not working on that aspect of the game very much because, again, they are on the team for rbi, not to move runners over. What are you going to do, bunt you guys that have high averages and rbi so you can get to your guys that have low batting averages and low rbi? That’s your strategy?

USAFChief says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

“continued”

…he’s exceeded 60 pitches only twice all year.

Put your rant back up your arse from where you pulled it.

Not so Original Kevin says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm

Nathan had 60 pitches last night. Not a usual two inning pitch count. He could be used two innings now and then if needed. He will not usually have 60 pitches.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Here’s some advice for people. This applies to everything in life, not just baseball.

If you throw out an idea, or an arguement, and EVERYBODY disagrees with you, chances are you are the one that is wrong.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

In that situation, I’d rather take the out at 2nd than risk a messed up rundown and the runner on 3B/score.

USAFChief says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Cheese and rice, Casilla, get your head out of your arse.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Good enough game then. Very nice game for Casilla. So so game for relievers. And yes, I’m being kind because we won.

Cuddy gets games winning rbi.

USAFChief says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

In that situation, I’d rather take the out at 2nd than risk a messed up rundown and the runner on 3B/score.

Some brilliant analysis there, T.

The runner on 3rd did score.

If the runner stops that far from second, you throw to first and have an easy DP on the other runner who’s now stranded.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

Good god. Smalley’s hair has taken on a life of its own.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

I don’t think Nathan is capable of being a two-inning closer. And the problem is if you do stretch him two innings, you run into situations like tonight where he’s basically unavailable.

Great job by Guerrier to pick him up, but at the same time it’s really nerve racking to be in a game such as this and have your top reliever “out”.

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

Agreed Kubel should have bunted again poor managerial decision. Cuddy picked one up, good for him, about time he came through in the crunch. Amazing opponents do not watch video of Cuddy, in the strike zone he’s dangerous, but yet they ignore the fact he has a tendency to flail away. If he took Mauer’s approach to the strikezone Cuddy would hit .300 no questions asked. As for you Macleod, yeah, Duensing relieved, but he started at Rochester and tonight he was not getting rocked. Let the kid pitch the 6th inning, how about showing some confidence in him. We scored some more runs for him. He still looked pretty good out there. Seriously though you think Keppel should be on our roster? He stinks, stunk in Florida and stinks here, his stuff is crap. Yup cut his ass bring up another live arm, let’s see who picks up Keppel by the way shall we? Also Gardy has a tendency to play favorites, but be it by injuries or whatever, he is starting to learn that our young kids given a chance to play and not look over their backs, have bright futures. I.E. Casilla, hmmmm, suddenly he is playing with confidence.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Pretty harsh cricism for Casilla on a play that had zero effect on the outcome of the game. Come in off the ledge now Chief.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

Some brilliant analysis there, T.

The runner on 3rd did score.

Chief, before you leap down my throat, perhaps you should step back and realize you’ve misread the statement.

I’d rather take the lead runner than risk a screwed up rundown and have a runner at 2B (or worse, 3B/score)

I know the runner scores from 3B regardless. I’m not stupid.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

Somehow I had a feeling the 9th could get interesting. Nice job Guerrier anyway picking up the save.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

what good was that double play? i would rather have had him lay it down and move two guys over, then have two shots at getting them in or they can score on passed ball, sac fly, balk, many ways…we got lucky on cuddys pop up but had it been caught where would we be now

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm

Kubel….bunt….?

USAFChief says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm

Pretty harsh criticism deserved on that play. That it had no effect is besides the point.

A little leaguer should be able to recognize that situation.

Not so Original Kevin says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm

it worked out perfectly fine to use Nathan 2 innings last night to get the win, then use Gurreir tonight. Nathan is capable of making the ninth inning nerve wracking as well. Hes not lights out like Rivera.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm

it worked out perfectly fine to use Nathan 2 innings last night to get the win, then use Gurreir tonight.

God bless hindsight.

If Cuddy’s blooper gets caught (which any little leaguer could do), this is a tie game and everybody wishes Nathan were available.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

I didn’t say Keppel should be on the roster. I said Gardy has to use the men that are on his roster and cannot just put a pitcher aside and go with a short roster.

Can’t complain about Gardy not playing Casilla earlier this year. The kid simply stunk it up when he played. Hence being sent down twice. And now, Casilla is earning his way into the line-up, and that is why Gardy is puttin him there. I would keep with Casilla on a daily basis now. He has finally earned it.

And I do like the idea of having Punto on the bench as a late inning defense or pinch runner substitute. It’s best for the team.

T says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

But whatever. Let’s not let the final score of this game ruin a perfectly foul mood.

G’night everybody. 4 wins in the last 6 games is a pretty good start to a turnaround.

Hopefully they’ll remember to suck some more so we can all be merrily miserable again.

coco says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

In general IMO Gardy makes the right decisions. Deunsing, for example, has been in the BP lately, meaning he probably does not have the arm strength built up to go 100+ pitches. If the Twins fired Gardy ( & they won’t because they don’t roll that way), he would have his choice of more than one managing jobs in 2010.

stinky says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm

6-2 on the road trip so far, and 4 of the last 5!

get out the brooms!

stinky says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 pm

oops, 4-2 on the road trip so far…

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm

Oh dear, oh dear he had one start and could not go anymore. How the hell do you know what he is capable of you moron? Gardy does this with a number of pitchers, whom supposedly are stretched out. The point is these starters we have are coddled and babied, no pitching inside, no intimidation. 60 pitches is a lot? You do not think that perhaps he could have ATTEMPTED to throw 1 more inning? You my friend are the idiot. You enjoy watching Keppel huh? You like him, you dunce. Kubel should know how to bunt, you are the same people who bitch when he doesn’t get a key hit, yet you cannot ask him to sacrafice because he’s an RBI guy? With a staff like we have presently bunting would not be a hinderence. I cannot believe he or other RBI guys cannot be be capable of bunting, you are just stupid my friend. As for Casilla get ready for him to start playing everyday the majority of the time, he has potential, Punto is done. As for the NY media, I could care less about A-ROD’S exploits, he’s a doper. The media covers more than that idiots! Plus Gardy would never get hired in a big town, he simply is not good enough. I never, ever read about him getting taken to task in the media, ever. Always a players fault or some blazze excuse post game. If we Twins fans are satisfied with Gardy, then enjoy mismanagement, an occasional division title, early exits post season and being constantly outmanaged. Yeah he’s terriffic allright.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm

i really dislike him, but …we’re comin’ ..we’re comin’

and by the way thanks to casilla for that play that saved this game by a run or two

furbee says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Hey COCO, where’s Gardy going to go because I want to send him there now. Tell the young kids prepare to get their confidence shot down and that they can prepare to baby their pitching staff. Yup if you are really luck he’ll bring Anderson with him. As I will continue to say, the Twins win despite Gardenhose, not because of him.

mj1 says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm

i hope mr smith realize these guys are in a serious pennant race with 39 games to go and only 6 or so out, with alot of head to head yet to go–get the damn pitching help we need and maybe do something with crede and open up a spot for healthy bat, especially with morneau down also….this thing isnt over yet, so do your part mr smith—get so tiring to beg all the time…..hope someone calls him on it tomorrow on his radio show…

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm

I think we should start a new segment called “what we learned from furbee tonight”. I’ll start…
1. Gardy sucks. (well, we learn that every night from him)
2. Furbee knows better than Gardy how many pitches our starters can throw.
3. Furbee wants Kubel to sacrifice bunt.

I’m sure there was more, but I don’t want to spoil the fun for everybody.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm

BTW, how do we know Gardy didn’t save the game for us tonight by yanking Duensing? If Duensing stays in and gives up the lead, the comments would be; “Gardy is an idiot. He left in a pitcher that hasn’t thrown that many pitches in the majors. He should have yanked him out.”

Jason says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm

I liked T’s call on a Kubel bunt in the ninth…an unusual move, but I would’ve went with it…luckily Josh Anderson did his thing for us again. Kauffman is awesome.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm

What I learned from Furbee:
1. Furbee likes using really long posts to make a point. (I think there was a point in most of those posts?)
2. Furbee knows far more than any of the rest of us will ever dream of knowing about baseball.
3. Did we mention Furbee thinks Gardy sucks?

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

I like my new segment. I think it could be here to stay, providing furbee is here to stay.

Mary Ann says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Agree, Macleod. Would be a shame to see furbee leave & have to discontinue it.

Anyway, good to see consistent production up & down the lineup tonite. Only players without hits were Span & Young & Span still drew a walk & scored a run. Will take more of this type of effort to claw back to .500 with Morneau out.

Macleod says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm

Just always nice to see a win. Let’s face it, most of us are here to stay no matter how they do. I hope they at least make it interesting. Maybe get to about 3 back by mid September. Something to give us a chance and a reason to watch besides how Mauer is doing.

sane says:

August 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm

chief,
“A little leaguer should be able to recognize that situation.”

What a little leaguer sometimes overlooks in that situation is a basic guideline that says “GET THE SURE OUT!”

With a two run lead, the tying run getting to 1B with two out, is not nearly the potential disaster that would occur if the tying run got to 2B or a risky 1B to SS throw past the baserunner were to end up in the LF-CF gap.
IMO Casilla taking the “SURE OUT” force at 2B was the right decision.
In Little League, that decision would absolutely be correct, above and beyond my own opinion.

AM says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 am

Twins are in a pennant race, starting Swarzak, Duensing and Gabino. (Not to mention Blackburn and Perkins). Aaron Harang is available (and could be a Twin already, if they had claimed him.). He could get 7 or 8 starts down the stretch, and be an above average part of the rotation next year. Come on Smith, go get him!

He pitches in a bandbox. He’s a great strikeout guy with good control, who’s HRs would come down in MN. Our competition for him (Dodgers, Cards, Phillies, Brewers) have either picked up a starte or are out of the race. The Yankees and Angels might be the other competition. The Twins could get him at a discount off his salary, and wouldn’t cost a great prospect. He is scheduled to start Wednesday–put why not Tuesday?

AM says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am

To clarify…”but” why not Tuesday? He started Thursday (7 innings of one run ball) so Tuesday would be four days rest.

AM says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 am

I know thrylos has gone through his stats, but let me note a few things about Harang. He’s given up 28, 28, and 35 HRs in Cincy the last three years. Even so, he’s posted sub 4 ERAs in two of those years, with 200Ks per year, 4:1 or 3:1 K/BB ratios, all of that with above average BABIP, which we would expect to come down. Harang could have a Sabathia-like impact for the Twins down the stretch, with the added benefit of keeping him next year. On top of this, he could be a type-A free agent after next year.

If the Twins claimed Washburn and his big contract last year, why can’t they go after Harang this year? Their pitching staff is still cheap–and Harang would be a better option than Duensing, Swarzak, Gabino, Perkins, or Blackburn. He’d likely be better than Liriano, Baker, and Slowey, too, but that’s at least more debatable.

DrDon says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 am

sane…I totally agree with your post from 10:43 last night. The only problem is that it makes too much sense to those whose hindsight is always 100% accurate. Thanks for that insight.

mr positive says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 am

what would this team be like with a second baseman that could hit .270 with 20+ home runs and 100 rbi. just a dream RIGHT but wait turn around and he is RIGHT in front of you. a little off season work and the infield and outfield issues are solved.

sane says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am

Chief, Doc,

On the 1B to SS throw; and ANY throws to a base which must go directly past a baserunner, the risk has increased.

Coaches now teach the baserunners to “stand tall” and run toward the infielder’s glove as the throw approaches from behind him. (the baserunner)

When I played, we were taught to slide on that play, which actually cleared a throwing lane for the throw and made the play easier for the defense.

Now, with the “new” technique, throws from directly behind the baserunner often deflect off the baserunner and a throwing error often results.

danielspr says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am

Correct as usual sane!

Think1way2 says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 12:17 pm

Mr positive,

Who are you talking about?

Little Miss Sarcasm says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm

AM– your boy Harang is having an appendectomy so I am thinking he really can’t help the twins any this season

Too Nice says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Glad we didn’t sign Harang

AM says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Lms, toonice–that is hilarious.

USAFChief says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Sane…are we to believe that a major league team cannot execute a simple rundown to end the game?

The baserunner was less than halfway to second and had stopped all forward motion.

If Casilla flips to first, the Twins have the runner in a rundown and the game is over. Instead, another hitter got the chance to tie the game.

You, of all people, should recognize Casilla’s play for what it was…a brain fart.

It didn’t end up costing the game, but it’s a glaring example of the deterioration of simple things that has occured under Gardy, and a good example of the poor baseball instincts of Casilla.

furbee says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Hey Macleod and Mary Ann I will make this short, good luck on your honeymoon. As for my long posts, tough crap, evidently you like them enough to read them. Yes Kubel should know how to bunt Macleod or don’t you feel major leaguers should have that ability, yeah you’re right the hell with fundementals. Especially if you are in a slump with a chance to move a runner up, yup sound arguement there. Secondly as much as I have seen Gardy mismanage this pitching staff and pay too much attention to pitch counts I believe he and his butt buddy Anderson have turned our pitchers into contact first, intimidate later pitchers, excellent theory. Nice to see your whipping boy Casilla on a roll, but wait if he slumps for a game or two LNP will be right back out there to hustle out some wins with headfirst dives and broom stick efficency with his plate appearances. LEAVE THE YOUNG KIDS IN, let them grow, they have talent, they don’t need more wood up their ass from the bench. Yes dump Crede, he can return to the MASH unit, what a complete waste that was. As I stated before we get Bosner back, good bye Mr. Keppel or Cranium. Nice to see our youth come through today as well as Mr. Pavano!

sane says:

August 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Chief,
“You, of all people, should recognize Casilla’s play for what it was…a brain fart.”

I think that Casilla made the correct play by mistake.
If he had better instincts, he would have made the fundamentally correct (but too risky) play to 1B
If he throws to 1B, Cuddyer is forced to make a risky throw through a runner) to the SS at second base.
If you think THAT throw couldn’t be f*cked up, you must NOT REALLY believe in the “the deterioration of simple things that has occured under Gardy”.