Twins-Jays: Joe Mauer is not in today’s starting lineup; Henn traded to Baltimore
Posted on September 8th, 2009 – 2:41 PMBy La Velle
This just in: The Twins have traded lefthander Sean Henn to Baltimore for a player to be named later or cash.
Joe Mauer, who was 3-for-5 yesterday, is not in today’s starting lineup. The clubhouse just opened, so check back later after we find out way. The only thing I can come up with now is that manager Ron Gardenhire said during the last homestand that Mauer definitely was going to get a day off.
So I’m guessing he decided to rest Mauer today with lefty Ricky Romero on the mound. Mauer will face Roy Halladay on Wednesday and probably DH vs Brett Cecil during the day game on Thursday. I’m sure he’s available to pinch hit, but we’ll see what’s going on in a few minutes. Check twitter for a quick update from the clubhouse.
Mike Redmond is catching tonight with Michael Cuddyer at DH and Jason Kubel in right.
Update: Yep, Gardy determined that this was the day Mauer would get off. Mauer said he was told by the manager that he wouldn’t start today and didn’t try to talk him out of it. Mauer is available to pinch hit tonight and, because of off days in each of the next two weeks, Gardy hopes that this is the last game Mauer won’t start this season.
Mauer will DH tomorrow’s game against Roy Halladay and the Jays. with Jose Morales getting the start behind the plate.
Update 2: Joe Crede has been activated from the disabled list and is available tonight. He’ll probably start tomorrow.
Francisco Liriano threw a 42-pitch simulated game to Crede and others and felt great. He’ll probably be activated tomorrow and will work out of the bullpen.
Update 3: Justin Huber and Armando Gabino have reported for duty.
Update 4: Just to make sure you were aware, Saturday’s game is a 12:10 p.m. start so the Twins won’t interfere with the build up to the Gopher’s opener at TCF Stadium.
Update 5: There was a mistake on the original lineup, Cuddyer is in right field and Kubel is the DH.
Update 6: Carol Gardenhire, Ron’s wife, is on the trip as they celebrate their 30th wedding anniversary today.
Twins (69-68)
1. Denard Span, CF
2. O-Cab, SS
3. Jason Kubel, DH
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Cuddy, RF
6. Brendan Harris, 3B
7. Delmon Young, LF
8. Mike Redmond, C
9. Nick Punto, 2B
Pitching: Brian Duensing, LHP
217 Responses to "Twins-Jays: Joe Mauer is not in today’s starting lineup; Henn traded to Baltimore"
It just makes sense. He hasn’t had a complete day off in a long time. I personally think it’s good. They’re out of the race. They’re going against a lefty. Got to just pick a day, and this one makes sense.
The more intriguing thing is Kubel in RF, Cuddyer at DH.
This makes no sense. You can’t say they are out of the race, especially with 7 games left against the Tigers. If we had none left against the Tigers, then fine, say it. There have been crazier things to happen in the past few years. Think of the Mets and Phillies that last two years! The Mets thought they had everything locked up and two straight years everything came crashing down. I wouldn’t be so distraught about Mauer not playing if at least we had Morales playing in his place. He’s better then Redmond any day of the week. Bottom line is, you don’t take your best hitter/player out of the lineup at a time like this.
Sure wish Morales was getting more at bats. I understand that there’s a lefty pitching.
Span better be ready to cover a lot of ground out there.
They are not out of the race as long as they can beat Detroit. If they don’t drop more than 7 games back going into the Tigers series, a sweep of both Detroit series would mean they would just have to have the same win-loss as detroit for all other games and they’ll win the division. I’m not counting us out until we play the tigers again.
I am also curious about the cuddy/kubel switch up. Is cuddy still beat up from playing 1b? Maybe they’re trying to build up kubel’s fielding stats to make him more attractive trade bait in the off season
This has to be one of the worst defensive line up they have put out all year. 1B is the only position that we have our best option playing at. I am not counting 3B because we don’t have a “best option”
Mike,
Why would they trade Kubel?
Not out of it. Seth, I’m getting tired of reading that the Twins are out of it, and I’m surprised that you are saying it just like Howard is saying it. One week ago today, they were 3.5 out. Now they’re 6.5 out. Who’s to say they can’t cut the lead back to 3 just as quickly, i.e., in time for the first Detroit series? I know they’re not playing well, but just a week ago they were playing well. It doesn’t make any sense.
Free Morales!
Playing Red Dog at this point seems to be a sign the, while the players say their not throwing in the towel the manager has. What does Morales have to do, hit .300 points higher than Redmond? They are both bad defensively. If fact Morales was just given credit by the coaching staff for getting the pitchers to throw more fastballs and stop nibbling.
How did Liriano and Crede do?
I dont care who starts! score some runs and pitch well and it will take care of itself.
Redmond gets to catch because he’s Gardy’s buddy. Forget all the comments about Morales’s bad footwork or not going to instructional league - Gardy knows Morales is better than Redmond, he just doesn’t want to hurt Red’s feelings.
Morales caught the last game Mauer didn’t. It’s not as though Redmond wasn’t going to catch another game this year. If this is what you have to complain about, you’re reaching.
To that end, 
I’m not thrilled that Punto seems to have regained his every-day status, but he has been swinging well and at least it’s in place of Casilla and not Harris.
LEN3,
A relevant question for Grady might be:
You’ve moved Punto, Gomez, Harris and Lexi down at different times when struggling. Moved Mauer up to #2 and even Kubel as well as Red Dog (last few years) into the #3 hole. Joe Torre moved A-Rod down when he struggled and on and on… So is there any scenario by which you’d move Morneau out of the 4th spot even for a short time period? Do you take any of the blame for his late season slides after no giving him days off earlier in the season in order to protect him from hitting the wall in August/September?
gardy doesn’t take blame well he usually tries to pawn it off on his non favs.
you would think he may have learned a little after last yr.
howeda7 says:
It’s not as though Redmond wasn’t going to catch another game this year. If this is what you have to complain about, you’re reaching.
He can catch again, once the team is out of the race. There is a lot of stuff to complain about. This is just today’s issue because most are tired of banging the drum again on all the other stuff that makes just as little sense.
Punto in the line-up in a pennant race? He wouldn’t bat 10th, 11th, or 12th on any other team in MLB.
Why do we have to subject ourselves to this?
The guy goes 1-5 and he is right back in teh starting line-up. He gets thrown right back in there
joke
Agreed, Benny W. Redmond is playing probably the final month of his career. We all know Morales will get the backup job next season. Gardy feels obligated to keep Redmond as the #2 catcher and Morales mostly as a bat off the bench for the rest of the year.
Unrelated sidenote: I managed to track down someone who had the ‘91 World Series recorded directly from CBS and bought the DVDs for $20. And no, this person definitely did not have expressed written consent to make copies of those games. He totally disseminated them without MLB’s permission. But it sure is entertaining to see that awesome CBS theme song and listen to Pat O’Brien’s offbeat coverage.
Fire Gardy, make Redmond manager.
I understand they are working on a new contract for Red Dog for next year as we speak. A one year deal…….So he can backup Mauer in the new stadium….
One more year….Redmond. They feel they owe it to him plus they think he is a better defensive catcher than Morales.
Wonder who will catch in ‘11 when Mauer is in pinstripes?
So goes Punto, so goes this team. He is the heart and soul of this team. Not M and not M at 1st…..PUNTO..PUNTO..PUNTO..
So goes Punto, so goes this team!!
Play him everyday….And at SS over O.
if the twin record doesn’t improve they would be in the top 15 picks and not lose their 1st pick by signing a type a free agent. wait have they ever signed a type a? never mind!
i predict thet red will be back next yr.
JC Smith,
Yeah, whatever. Redmond had looked like he’s 50 years old out there this season. They won’t be bringing him back as a player. A coach maybe.
I just saw a tweet from Rock Cats Baseball that Angel Morales was added to their playoff roster. Does that mean anything for what level hes starts next season at?
“Joe Mauer is not in today’s starting lineup.”
A little 2011 preview, LEN?
What a stinkin joke… tippy toes in Left…and why isn’t Morales in there in stead of Redmond???? I have a group I’m supposed to be putting together for the OCt 3rd game… I’m expected to shell out money for this crap??? this is getting real old..
Morneau breaks out of the slump tonight…I can feel it!
What a bunch of whiners and complainers in here. Also the ‘2011 preview’ stuff give it a rest. It is 2009 and nothing has been decided yet.
Don’t pay then. Or do you pay so you can complain. LOL
As you know, NoraG1, the complaining here today is pretty tamed compared to what it’s usually like.
So quit hitting these guys while they’re down!
Mike, you’re nuts if you think kubel is getting traded in the off season. And JC SMITH, just another day with your negativity
Frankly, I think anyone putting together a group trip to any regular season ballgame scheduled for October 3, for just about any team, needs to plan on seeing a lot of backups in the lineup for both teams.
At that point, any team who is either eliminated from the playoffs or has a playoff spot locked up (in other words, pretty much every team), is going to be making generous use of September call-ups.
LEN3: Great updates. You’re all over it! After a hard working day at the Skydome, head down to Younge Street and toss back a few cold Molson Canadians! Not happy that Mauer is sitting. He’s the best and perhaps one of the only reasons to watch the Twins day in and day out, but I’ll be tuned in.
So there’s gonna be a Hrbek’s restaurant at Target next year……
Pheasant under glass? Lots of walleye? Lots of similar natural foods?
punto in line-up…..joke
Casilla at the plate is the joke lately.
twinlves, the New Britain Rock Cats are short three outfielders, with Tosoni playing World Cup for Canada, Juan Portes and Moss injured. They start playoffs tomorrow. Rather than raid Ft. Myers, which starts playoffs tonight, of Revere, Benson, or Parmelee, they must have decided to reach down to the best outfielder from Beloit. Angel Morales will probably start at Ft. Myers next spring, as will Aaron Hicks.
Happy anniversary, Gardy and Carol!
Maybe Gardy will get tossed early and he’ll be the one down on Younge Street.
I don’t want the Twins to trade Kubel, but it is a possibility. I don’t know that the 5 outfielders experiment is going to carry in to next year, and they may need to trade some big league talent to get the help they need in the pitching staff. Third base too, I’m not buying the theory that Valencia is going to be ready to be an everyday 3rd baseman next year. He’s not even ready to be called up to be the backup to the backup third baseman for one month, what’s gonna happen in the next 6 months of not playing ball that will suddenly make him a major leauge caliber starter?
As far as why Kubel…
Span isn’t going anywhere
Gomez is arguably one of the best centerfielders in the leauge, I think they’ll give him more time to settle down in the batters box
Young has started looking like the hitter he is supposed to be this last month, and is also very young. I think they’ll give him another year to develop (plus I doubt his trade value is terribly high right now)
Cuddyer has the flexibility to also be a backup infielder, which none of the other guys has, and also is a HUGE presence in the club house.
Kubel is probably the weakest fielder in the bunch, and while his bat is great, I don’t know it’s something they absolutely need to have.
If the team thinks Mauer/Span/Cuddyer can be as good as they’ve been this year, and think Mourneau and Young can get started early and stay consistent, they don’t need a dedicated DH guy. Reality is, 90% of the time, Mauer or Morneau will DH the days they don’t start at their position. The days they do start, they can alternate between young and cuddyer, with the other one being in the field.
I would like to see them keep all five personally, but I doubt that’s going to happen, and Kubel seems both the most expendible and the most valuable on the trade market
Mike, is there a better DH around than Kubel? The Twins will always want Kubel and M&M in the lineup.
They’ll keep Kubel unless they go into a rebuilding phase, or unless they get something like a Halliday — which ain’t gonna happen.
Not trying to pick a fight, Mike — but I think there was a 4-man OF problem, not a 5-man.
And actually, it’s possible it ain’t a problem anymore — now that Gomez has adjusted to being the defensive replacement and pinch runner while augmenting this with intermittent starts.
Actually I think the only problems anticipated for next year are –
1. Ace veteran starter
2. 2B, SS, 3B
3. Morneau’s late-season slumps
4. Position-player depth at AAA
And #2 is the biggie of course.
Oh! And some anticipate a new management team too.
Romer
Could not agree more. We cannot play another season under the logic: “If the rest of the lineup does their job, then so-and-so will be fine.”
Why does Mauer need a day off? Will this set him back years to come if he plays while the Twins are still in the race? He can have a day off when the Tigers magic number is zero. Not to mention he can have the next 6 months off when the playoffs start without the Twins. Nothing like giving your best hitter a day off during a pennant race. Ridiculous.
So Joey is not in today’s lineup and Gardy insists on using OLD man Redmond when you have Morales who can throw better, can hit better, can run better, and oh by the way catch better, sitting on the bench. I thought we were in a pennant race??? Guess not. If we are playing for now why do you continue to play Reddy. I’m sure he is a great guy who likes to walk around naked in the locker room. But his baseball days are over. Let the next generation take a shot. If Matt Lecroy catching makes Frank Robinson cry wonder what watching Redmond try and throw out a runner does to ol Frank? Gardy stop playing your favorites (Nicky, Reddy, Cuddy) and play the guy that deserves to play. Or you’ll be the next one leaving town!!!
Take heart, Macleod. The great Aaron Hill ain’t in the Jays’ lineup either.
i hope gardy found a nice hardware store so he could take carol out today!!
he isn’t even in the country (if he is I bet the wife is very very angry)
how do you do the smiley face…. grrrrrr
-:)
dash, colon, paranthesis. several spaces in front and back of that puts in on the same line.
romer i understand herby will serve deep fried bacon, cheese curds, pigs feet and cold spring on tap!
try this…. I mean colon, dash, paranthesis…
LMS, just type the colon, then the end parens. And it magically becomes the yellow smiley when posted.
frown……. colon, dash, back parenthesis. 
Play Ball!! - Nice start by Span the man.
OC does his job.
Oh, LEN says it’s O-Cab.
Span forgets his job……
Well?
MVP??????
gardy needs to stop nicky from teaching base running to the young guys.
HaHa.
Poor kid….
Gotta love your snarkiness, ggg.
The Twins have made a trade….but it’s not a biggie.
Update up top…
what was our favorite sean henn moment?
Wow, 28 pitches for Romero in the 1st.
BS keeping his trading tools from getting rusty.
He’s our man.
“what was our favorite sean henn moment?”
Getting sent to AAA………….
Today, being traded.
Gardy should be fired! Redmond??? Guess it doesn’t really matter at this point.
Harris stretching out Romero, then gets the walk.
It all started with Morneau’s AB.
No stolen bases for Harris this year?
Man.
What did they ever see in him…….
Romero is going to pitch himself out of this game by the 4th inning the way he’s going.
I have no favorite moment for Henn, but of course, I wish him luck.
No Mauer and no Morales? Redmond is not the same as he used to be and this is a pennat race or so it could be seen that way. Where is Boof? I want to get a look at him and Liriano with a rested arm.
Anyone have any ideas about why Duensing seems to be way better than his minor league #s would lead one to believe. Is it just a small sample size like when keppel first came up or do these major league catchers make BETTER use of all his pitches and his ability to locate them?
Ball boy does his job….
Good AB Cuddyer.
Cuddy!! That runner on 3rd really needed to score in that situation.
I watched a Red Wings game on TV a year ago, and Duensing didn’t look that athletic. Actually he looked a lot like Henn.
So maybe he’s just stronger now which gives him better balance and mechanics.
Make sure we ignore Kubel’s 2rbi double, and dwell on the negative.
Why did I know Cuddyer was going to strike out with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs? Who has the stats on that?
how can we dwell on the negative with so many quality AB’s by Cuddy. Stats anyone?
Man Kubel should be put in that 4 hole and stay there until someone can prove he does not belong. Stick Morny in a 5 hole and if he comes out of it all the bettr. Spahn is doing a great job. This team when healthy should be at least a 90 win team and that is good enough to compete in the Central. Retire Gardy and his Follies as he has shown us all the managing capability and teaching potential he and his staff have. I like Molitor, young, great ballplayer, paying his dues, and a motivato. If this team played with more aggression, man we’d be dangerous.
Oh, and no one else ever does that in Major League Baseball.
Nice job BD!
Cuddy was .167 w/RISP and 2 out - and .235 w RISP before tonight’s foray into excellence - according to THE VULTURES at ESPN
I knew Paul Molitor at the U and unless he has changed since then, I must say he was really a laid back guy.
smithtrs……What I could find…..Cuddy this year, runner on 3rd less than 2 outs…30 plate appearances, runner scored 15 of those times. So not as bad as you might have thought, not sure. Scroll down to get to situational hitting.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cuddymi01-bat.shtml
USA is right, there’s been a lot of deja vu regarding Cuddy.
But he’s still on track for 80 RBIs and all those HR’s.
So he yanks your emotions around.
Has Red made it to first yet on that DP chopper to short?
Maybe it’s Cuddy’s big looping swing when he should just make contact that is annoying.
Hey LaVelle. Thanks for doing an awesome job with the blog. You, Joe, and Howard all daily stop by’s for me and I’m always happy with what you guys write. And I always enjoy hearin ya on the FAN. Have a good one
RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
281
Michael Cuddyer MIN 66 20 11 2 0 1 15 0 0 13 14 .167 .313 .242 .555
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/split/185/count/244/qualified/false/minpa/25
4th inning, based on their track record, about time for the wheels to fall off.
Screwed up sound on FSN again tonight. I can barely hear D&B.
It was hard to see it, but that looked like a pretty good play by Harris.
I don’t know that Duensing can keep it up. I highly doubt he will if he’s in the rotation next year. He’s not THAT young at 26, and heb struggled in the pen… I don’t know, he came out of nowhere. And when that happens (Bobby Keppel, Sean Henn) they eventually fall back to Earth
Yes BD!
Seems that they do fall back to earth eventually unless their stuff is filthy. Usually need mid to upper 90’s fastball with great location and some movement or the batters will eventually figure it out.
romer and that’s a bad thing?
It is annoying, Cuddy never chokes down, never really has the mindset to absolutely drive in the run. Therefore you get a .270/.275 hitter who likes to flail at it and runs hot and cold. Ironically our batting coach does not seem to want to correct these obvious flaws. The coaching staff is getting on in years and seem somewhat sedate in their approach. Perhaps Molitor was laid back, but so is Torre and other managers but they know how to say it and when to say it, listening to Gardy and his post game rambles and congradulating the oppositions play is not what I want for a Twins manager. Besides Molitor’s pedigree as a ballblayer is lightyears ahead of Gardy.
Romer: What is going with the sound on FSN. The last 5-6 games I’ve watched were really bad. All you hear is background noise. I had to listen to the other teams feed due to this. Is this not the 21st century. All the other MLB games sound fine.
Excuse me but we had a guy named Radke who did not throw in the mid to upper 90’s and was pretty damn good. The key to pitching is keeping hitters off balance, perhaps BD is a late bloomer, sometimes the “light” doesn’t always go on when we’d like.
I don’t know if you locate like Duensing you don’t need to throw 95. I don’t know teams must have a scouting report on him by now and he’s just going in and out up and down like he’s freakin Kenny Rodgers or Andy Petite. I’m impressed.
I’m not saying that Molitor would be a bad choice. But maybe not the best. My concern is that we don’t have any leaders on this team. Joe Torre had Jeter in New York and a bunch of leaders in L.A. Not sure we have someone to police the troops in the locker room. I think Molitor would be another one of the guys like Gardy.
“Is this not the 21st century.”
Pretty easy to turn a guy’s mic feed up.
No excuse for this aural zoo they’re giving us.
Justin swings at the first pitch. Gardy..put him in the 6th hole starting tomorrow! Your set in your ways and way to stubborn. Change it up with him already.
after hitting behind mauer, one would think murneau would learn not to swing at the first pitch so often. it works for the guy hitting .369, maybe it would help justin to get out of his funk as well.
The Twins need TK to come out of retirement and bring back the magic. Then we’d see fundamentally sound baseball.
Bad luck for the Twins on that DP.
just hire jack morris as a manager and have him kick some ass in the clubhouse.
Believe me I am in Upstate NY and when Toree had something to say he said it behind closed door and it was heard and put in the papers. Besides he was a catcher, much like Soscia and has a great feel for the game. Gardy was a utility player at best, Anderson a bum pitcher with the Mets, the batting coach, who knows. What I do know is Molitor played the game right and with moxie, in addition he would be a far better teacher than these old men. As for leaders, yes agreed Jeter is a great example, but no championships yet with him as captain. In their heyday they had a guy like O’Niel in the locker room. I think the M and M boys are too reserved and some guys too young yet. The new manager must impress upon this team that some vocal leadership is required for sure.
yup and Gladden can be the new hitting coach! lol
Okay Radke, Rodgers and Petite can get away with less than 95. But what are the percentages of those that will last long term like that. Petite and Rodgers started their careers in the mid 90’s and learned to adjust as they got older. I am not trying to discount the great pitching tonight by BD but the Yankees would probably be lighting him up like a Christmas tree tonight if we were in NY.
Duensing’s range tonight — 67-86 mph.
Speaking of Moxie - Dan Gladden
Gardy is going to leave him in too long. Any bets?
has anyone heard what we got for Henn? future considerations? player to be named later? a bat & 2 dozen balls? anyone? anyone?
JH
Touche! I was just trying to be opptomistic for a change. Plus, how many consecutive good starts is it now for BD?
a number of balls to be named later in exchange for Henn
He Dryburn..
Whadayaknow!
LaVelle indicated at the beginning of this blog.
Gardy showing off for the wife…….
I think the problem is with your FSN feed not with FSN itself.
I get FSN on Dish and D & B are plenty loud. The background noise is not disproportionately loud so maybe it is the FSN feed to your provider.
Same difference, jjbiowa. Someone at headquarters isn’t tweaking the right knobs.
Red having a heart attack?
Just saying that it apparently isn’t a universal problem, Romer.
Yessir, I appreciate the info, jjbiowa.
JJbiowa: Thanks for the update. I get my feed via comcast.
Sigh….
That’s why I want Crede back next year.
Triple-sigh……..
whoops
guy almost doubled his rbi’s for the year with one gopher ball
fsn has the same sound problem with gopher hockey games. you’d think they could find a jr high kid that could figure out how to fix it, he could try to fix rausch while he’s at it…. i guess everybody has bad days.
that could be a 20 penny nail in the lid.
I thought Rauch was a late inning guy, where was Crain, he’s been looking okay and throwing gas. Cannot walk a .218 hitter, then go 0-2 on a .195 and let up a hit. Please Gardy go home.
Nice going big man, way to contain things. Game over…
MacDonald with 21 base hits all year and a 3-run Jack. Holy Tom Lawless! Had all kinds of chances to build on a 3-0 lead and failed to bury them.
Gardy should not be the manager of this team next year, time for a fresh start!
pathetic - cannot hit worth a damn with the pitching shows up and cannot pitch worth a damn when they get some offense.
Shazel
No problem, I do it all the time. The heart gets in the way of logic. Young guys like DB and Perkins will eventually get pounded by good hitters.
Jon Rauch: another acquisition brought to you by GM of the century, Bill Smith. Season over.
To ask this team to now get those runs back and more is almost impossible, especially without Mauer and no help from some others (MVP)
what would the twins record be if they didn’t have the worlds best clubhouse?
saw Deusch was doing great thru five, then realized that, having used the bullpen so much yesterday, Gardy would leave the rookie in too long. I was screaming with two men on in the sixth to get him out. Then he walks Wells and i turned it off, figuring game over. Five minutes later, checked the score and had to puke. Another Gardenhoser!
The bats go silent…
Why is Redmond still employed by a major league team?
But hey……..Gardy is going to be able to move things around so that Baker, Blackburn and Pavano can pitch the Detroit series…..as though that will matter. He needs to go. The inning before last, the last batter drove the ball to the wall off Duensing. The next inning, the first batter leads off with a hit. Gardy should have pulled Duensing then. Instead, he lets another guy get a hit…still no pull…not even a visit to the mound….then he walks the bases loaded, none out, and Gardy finally pulls him. Brilliant! Gardy has to go next year….as does the rest of the coaching staff too. This is not working. They are wasting the talent this team does have with managerial incompetence.
Twins Rule
Season was over before tonite. Twins would have to go almost undefeated and the Tigers would have to be below .500 the rest of the way for the Twins to catch the Detroit. Not going to happen.
Amazing! A manager that pulls the starter at the first sign of trouble, even with a 3 run lead and 2 outs. Are you watching this Gardy? Take notes.
Again, no Crain, rather have him bringing the heat than what this NL waife was tossing. No Mauer, no Morales, Morny still in the 5 hole, and one of the most blantant non-killer attitude teams I have ever witnessed. This team is tooooooo laid back, happy to just try and give a good effort. You know what boys? It is time to get some people in there who will kick your asses a little and explain that just trying ain’t doing it. Gardy’s attitude permiates this team and it is disgusting, I am a die hard TWINS fan. Please pay him off and fire his staff, truly one of the most overrated and over paraised managers in the game
Well so much for Punto stealing that base, swing the bat boys!
I’d like to see Gardenhire gone but I just don’t think that they’ll make a change of manager going into Target Field. I have this feeling that next year will not be pretty - better enjoy the fresh air, sunshine and seeing the new stadium. My gut feeling is that the product on the field won’t be that different from this year.
I agree with jjbiowa. Next year we are looking at 74-88. Then Mauer will walk. At that point it won’t matter whether or not Gardy is fired because the franchise will be ruined.
great clubhouse, top 5 manager, biggest home field advantage in baseball and 3 yrs of mediocre .500 baseball?
looks like it’s time for a house cleaning when they move out of the dome this fall!!
I’m sick of the Gardy talk. Cut him and you have Timberwolves part II when they got rid of Flip. It will be far from pretty.
Nick Punto: Ball, Ball, Strike looking, Ball, Strike looking, Punto struck out looking.
Worth all of 4 million
Gritty at-bat LNP
Nice line-up skipper
The fraud must end
God I hope not, our manager is simply useless, no fight, no leadership qualities just a complete lame all around manager. The Tigers are winning, good, now I can quit hearing Gardenhose tell the fans, we are still in it, trying to win series. Hell he doesn’t even say sweep, he is just lost!!!! The sad thing is our players take on his horrible persona, they actually think it is okay, everything will be all right. God it is sickening. C’mon Mr. Smith grow a pair and can this sad sack.
No Gardy lovers here tonight.
Though I don’t know how any manager could make much happen with this demoralized team this week.
As long as the boys go out there and “battle” and get after, it’s okay. I say with the new stadium being a fresh start, they should start fresh with a new manager and coaches!
Mauer better hit for someone this inning, hopefully OC, he stinks!
this is the best chance to get some runs
Your nuts, Gardy has reached his peak, lost playoff series, praising other teams and their players, pathetic in game strategies ad post game drones that have no passion nor reasoning just the same spool spinning over and over and over. This team has talent, need a player or 2 at best with injured personal returning and some of this driftwood to be cut. Don’t worry if Gardy is sooooooo hot, some ballclub will pick him up and good for him. He’s not a bad guy, his term here is done. As for Mauer and or Gardy staying. There is a simple answer my friends, Mauer makes Gardy look like a better manager, Gardy doesn’t put Joe nor many other players in a position to display what they can do best. Gardy will be gone before Joe, case closed.
And Justin comes through again! Great inning, this team has done it again…
filthy46,
I think that you make the case that Gardy SHOULD be gone…not that he WILL be gone.
I just don’t see the F.O. getting rid of him before the move to Target.
Gardy: No more 4 spot for Justin or I will want you gone as well. The guy is clueless and so is Gardy.
Mijares would make a good 3rd and short fullback
Smith got rid of our Ace, Smith got rid of our Gold-Glove power hitting center-fielder. Smith got rid of our gold-glove single machine short stop, and ance in coming. Fate took Liriano away. Smith was given Mauer, Morneau, Nathan.
Gardy was given three good players, had more taken away, and a bunch of young guys and poor talent. Hard to win a Championship with three players. He’s worked hard just to get us close. Take care of smith and get a decent GM. Then you can talk about firing when we have a team full of studs. (I.e. the Viking situation this year if they don’t perform).
You can’t turn trash into a 100-win team. It has so many paralles to the Wolve’s it’s not even funny. (Good coach, bad gm, with a couple good players, you fire good coach hire worse coach [or inexperienced, so worse for now while MnM are in prime], then go through couple of coaches, let go or trade of big names, reset, reset didn’t work, fire coach fire gm, struggling to sell tickets for $5.00, and then your looking at the Wolves now, or Twins circa 1996, still years in the future for winning.)
One good thing about all you complainers tonight — at least you’re not fair weather fans. After all, you’re here.
BREAKING NEWS: Morneau flippin stinks!
Well I am off to do other things, I have made my case and in all probability they will have him back in next year. I hope not, hope this team falls flat and ownership buys him out. A simple question, you really don’t think Molitor would keep Justin in the “4″ at this point do you? Hell Torre once dropped A-Rod to the 8 spot because of lack of productio. Gardy is stubborn and has his head up a few of our players good ole’ butts. A good/great manager would drop him quick in the order or at least have the skills or a coach whom did to help Morny. But what do I know? The Twins were winning when he was sitting. Enough said.
that was a nice sheet of mud out there on the mound. along with the turf, the field is pretty crappy.
romer, that is correct. The fair-weather hans have already wrapped it up for the year. The people on here, or stopping in to look are the “real” fans, and if they choose to complain, so be it. It is a fan’s right to want their team to do well. I, personally just want the team to do well. I don’t get the daily whining that some people seem to like to do though.
Last ten games Red has started?
Check this out (tonight isn’t done yet):
_____July______
@ OAK 20th (13-14) LOSS
@ OAK 22nd (1-16) LOSS
@ LAA 25th (5-11) LOSS
___August________
vs. LAA 1st (6-11) LOSS
@ CLE 6th (1-2) LOSS
@ DET 9th (7-8) LOSS
vs. KC 11th (6-14) LOSS
vs. KC 13th (4-5) LOSS
@ TEX 20th (1-11) LOSS
vs. TEX 30th (5-3) WIN
__September_____
vs. CWS 2nd (2-4) LOSS
Cuddyer .268
Harris .264
Young .265
Those numbers will get us back into the game, follwed by Redmond at .244
Camden we have more than a few good players and decent pitching. Santana has elbow problems and is on his downside and he wanted crazy money, not worth it. Hunter, yeah, I miss he and Santana’s attitude, but seriously man a stud? Talk about a free swinger!! He is 34, hitting .237 and plays mostly right field, his contract demands were too fat as well. Fact is after Tom Kelly’s boys were all but gone from his last year here, Gardy has turned out to be a mess. Have you watched our playoff performances. Get a clue, give me Torre, Soscia, Manuel, or even Valentine. ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT IS NEEDED, GET IT????
filthy, What’s the odd’s we actually pick up one of those guy’s if we fire Gardy. I can also add the Vikings to my list of good teams (need to be great in MLB to make playoffs) that fired a coach and had years of ineptitude afterwards. It’s not all sugar and lolipops if he goes. If he’s fired there may not be 20 teams looking for Punto, but there will be for Gardy. If you can get Torre Socia, fine, but good luck with that.
Decent AB going for Morales.
Did Mauer even take BP?
manuel? are you kidding? that guy is less professional than gardy.
It could be worse…we could be Pirates fans.
I’m old enough to remember the Pirates glory days in the 70’s so seeing them now is sad.
Twins made Frasor work for it that inning, but alas same result as many games this year.
Another pitiful offensive effort. They don’t know how to put anybody away.
I don’t understand playing Redmond anymore. I just don’t.
One more time!! We’ve got the best hitter in the league on the bench with 21 left to play. He’s got all winter to rest up. I wish my bosses had been that soft. Good bye Gardy!!
We all knew going into the season that if the pitching struggled, so would the Twins. Hitting hasn’t been the problem.
Redmond’s last 12 starts (11 losses). Last week a 4-run 9th inning loss and tonight a 6-run 9th inning loss. Never, ever have been impressed with his game calling.
That’s a 6-run 6th inning.
Mauer gets on and we would have had Brian Busher up next in a pennant race.
clean house please
AA line-ups, LNP, and no bench
Johan Santana, Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett for Delmon Young, Brendan Harris and Carlos Gomez. Humber not called up, Pridie not called up, Mulvey let go to Arizona for Rauch. That is what is on the Twins big league roster right now from these deals. Think Bill Smith wants a do over?
Old Crow, we’re not in a division race anymore…….and we weren’t before tonight as witness reliance on newbies Manship and Duensing.
It would have been a miracle. Instead, it’s exactly what everyone really expected.
Gah, can they just forfeit the rest of the games? Clearly they dont care, and dont want to be there, and they would stop my channel changing back to family guy.
For cripes sake, the Blue Jays had more life tonight and they’ve been done for over a month now. Way to show some heart tonight guys…
if anyone cares, KC just went up on DT in the 7th……
So, since we’re not really in the race, no reason to play Red or push Crede or Mauer or Morneau.
I’d put Tolbert at 3B tomorrow. DH Morneau in the 6-hole.
Romer, So we’re here to push Mauer’s stats? In 3 weeks he’ll have all winter to rest. It’s not pushing it’s called playing the game.
Tolbert at 3rd? I know I shouldnt care anymore, but Romer are you okay?
We already have enough automatic outs at the bottom of the order, we dont need it filling 2/3 of the middle too!
ya, get morneau out of cleanup and put that stud cuddyer in that spot. that guy just knocks the socks off the ball, especially when he comes to the plate with runners on base. aw shucks
“It’s not pushing it’s called playing the game.”
No, Mauer is being pushed because we’ve been in this thing…..barely. A catcher typically gets way more time off than he has lately.
For helluva it, I would have —
span
oc
morales
kubel - rf
young - lf
morneau - dh
Cuddy - 1b
Casilla/Punto
Tolbert - 3b
But the Tiggs just got beat, so now I’d let Mrs. Gardy make the lineup out.
Tigers only have one more offday this year.
Manuel is less professional than GARDY? Where is your head at? The guy is a hitting coach guru and coaches one of the more diversified teams in baseball, personality wise. In addition he knows when to bench players who desrve it and uhmmm, oh yeah there’s that little thing called a World Series title and yup they’ll be in the mix again. No we will not get any of the aforementioned managers I stated, but does that mean remain with the staus quo? The past couple of years these have been Gardy’s boys, they do not perform in the clutch and though injuries have bogged us down a bit this year, his managing has been bad. Most of all is he does not seem to care and his players take on his persona of “aw shucks, it’s okay.” No it is not okay, we are not a small market, we will have a new ballpark, we need a change. His coaching style is stubborn and idiotic at times, his coaching staff horrendous, pitch to contact, give me a break. Our pitchers are treated like wimps and we have no vocal leaders. I know the players play, but damn we need someone to crack the whip, year 3 and no playoffs.
have you seen how poorly he has reflected the Mets organization with the scout (?) situation and then the Ryan Church calling out when he was already traded….. granted he is in NY and they are rougher than MN but he is called out daily in the media and apparently most of his players don’t respect him (especially after the Church situation) oh and how have they done the last 2 years…. yeah, every team has injuries and that wasn’t the excuse last year. They could not beat the beatable Nationals or the Marlins
Has Red made it to first yet on that DP chopper to short?
Yet?
Now I see why Arizona let the big guy go…..
And Gardy better be watching Detroit, How does he think he can get back in this thing? Tigers have to lose A LOT.
“Don’t know and don’t care” What a statement!
Gardy was thinking about throwing the football through the tire swing when he put the 6-11 POS in the game.
The season has reached that point where you have to make a decision. Do you:
1) Concede that your pitching/hitting can’t click enough to actually catch the Tigers.
2) You’ve got 7 games left and can still pull it out with a bit of luck. (And a few miracles)
Because honestly, I think it’s time to look at Option 1. This team hasn’t had a win streak longer than what….5? And other than that it’s only won 4 games in a row…twice?
And now you’re asking them to pull out a HUGE winning streak of some kind and go 20-6 (and then pray redhot Detroit somehow only goes .500)?
I’m sorry, but it’s time to tuck it in and start looking for opportunities to evalute for next year. If the team should miraculously pull it together, then so be it. But I don’t think you can expect this team to put together the kind of hot streak they need when they haven’t done it all season.
Just checking in to see if anyone can confirm or deny…has Red crossed first base yet on the DP chopper to short in the fourth?
On his way to first he was lapped by Seabiscuit.
So many comments, so little sense.
DrDon,
I see you constantly complaining about the complaining that goes on, but you have never contributed anything else.
Not true, Think1.
Just yesterday the doc attempted to explain to us how to post a smiley face.
Another game, another Punto sighting. I see we get to be thrilled by Buscher in the line-up as well.
At least Morales gets to play today. I look at this line-up and wonder how I ever thought they could win the division. Oh, well…I can’t seem to let go. I believe in miracles.
The miracle is that Cuddyer is actually siting today. I hope it is the beginning of a streak, but I would not bet the farm on it.
Filty– if you see this, I apologize, I believe you are talking about Charlie Manuel and I am talking about Jerry Manuel. Charlie is way more professional than Jerry…and Gardy
