Finally a decision on windows
Posted on April 26th, 2007 – 11:29 PMBy Jason Hammond
Today brought the end to what has been my most in-depth and positively painful part of building our house. Windows. Not that any of the companies I worked with were difficult (actually some went out of there way to provide me with information) but just thinking about the sheer volume of information I had to sift through regarding performance ratings, style and operating parts makes my head hurt.
In an effort to prevent others from enduring the countless number of sleepless nights doing research here’s my short list of windows and my justification for our final selection:
- Accurate Dorwin Windows and Doors out of Winnipeg, Canada — I had never heard of the these windows prior to Benedict & Associates introducing them to me about a month ago. A fiberglass frame gives these simple clean lined windows some of the most energy efficient window ratings available.
- H-windows out of Ashland, Wisconsin — I discovered these windows on livemodern.com where they have become popular among modern design fans for there super simple design, cool pivoting action and combination of wood interiors and metal clad exteriors.
- Inline Fiberglass out of Toronto, Canada — Another fiberglass window from Canada that I new nothing about until just over a couple of weeks ago when a potential sub-contractor introduced us to them. The windows and doors have a simple clean design to them.
- Marvin Window out of Warroad, Minnesota — One of the big names in window manufacturing in the U.S. They offer a wood window with a metal clad exterior but also offers a line of fiberglass windows under the lntegrity by Marvin name that really peaked my interest.
Obviously there are hundreds of great windows and window companies out there but I needed to narrow our list down. As I said before I used the energy efficiency ratings (U-value) and then style as my first to measures, to determine which windows were in and which were out. For us the appeal of commercial storefront or loft style windows was our goal. Many of the aluminum framed windows used for commercial products either don’t meet the energy star rating for windows or they’re so expensive that it wasn’t practical to consider them for our project. We wanted to get windows that had the option of triple pane glass and Argon gas so we could get the highest energy efficiency. I wanted an objective source to compare windows by so I turned to the National Fenestration Rating Council or NFRC (an independent rating system) as my metrics. I was actually able to eliminate one of my window options this way (their windows were not scored and there for I had no way to do an apples-to-apples comparison). However I was able to compare the other three head-to-head in order to determine which would best meet our needs. As well one of the Window companies made a highly efficient fiberglass window that scored great however didn’t offer an awning style option in that line and therefore didn’t work with our project.
The window we selected
I originally considered Accurate Dorwin windows a dark horse. However, with the lowest U-value rating I could find, along with being featured in several “energy efficient” feature homes (like the Millennium Star Home) both in the U.S. and Canada they seemed to be the right fit. Then our rep (Arlo) from Above and Beyond Construction suggested that Corey (my builder) and I take a trip out to a location where the windows had been installed. I have to say we were both impressed with the look and function of the windows and it helped play a big role in my decision.

The Accurate Dorwin windows, shown here on a house our window
rep(Arlo) suggested we visit.
Because the windows use a system called pultruded fiberglass the frames are not only extremely strong they’re physical appearance looks almost like an aluminum clad commercial window. As well they can be commercially painted any color under the son or even have a wood interior finish. In our case we decided to go with a black interior and exterior finish in order to achieve the commercial look and feel we were shooting for. I’m confident that we’re getting a great window and most importantly the right window for us and our project.
With a decision on windows finally made I feel an incredible relief. Both my builder and architect have been very patient as we have weighed the thousands of options and in the process delayed some stages of our project by a week or so. Now with this decision out of the way we’re able to complete the construction drawings and get onto estimates and building.
41 Responses to "Finally a decision on windows"
I would love to see more photos in this article - I enjoy checking in on the status and the photos would add a lot to this piece. I hope you consider it.
Thanks,
I hope to be able to provide more images in the next few weeks as we move into construction and start to select interior finishes.
Thanks,
Jason
I’m confused. Are you manufacturing the actual window glass as well as the window framing? I read a 1995 newspaper article, which seemed to suggest that pultruded fibreglass was for the actual clear flat portion of the window. Am I wrong?
Hi Connie,
I’m not sure about what they were doing in 1995 and Accurate may produce there own glass but as far as I know it is not fiberglass product. Only the frames of the windows are fiberglass. I had never even heard of pultruded fiberglass prior to our exploration in the windows category but it is one of the more enviromentally friendly window products available and becoming more popular with manufacturers around the world for this reason as well as several others.
Jason
How did the prices of these windows compare to each other? How much more expensive did you find the triple glazing over the price of double glazing?
What makes a question like this tough to answer is that in a custom home no two window orders will be the same. In particular there are so many variables that can skew which window costs more. If you start adding premium woods or, or specialty hardware the prices can and will change dramatically so keep that in mind.
We only had two vendor who gave us an estimate on both double and triple pane windows and they were Marvin and H. It was about a 20-25% increase to the cost to make the move to the triple pane. We won’t use triple panes on the entire house as the south side will need windows that allow for passive solar gain.
Inline, Marvin and Accurate Dorwin were all roughly within 2% of one another. The H windows (and the reps will tell you this directly) are a little more expensive at roughly 10-20% vs the non-custom windows. However they are very competitive with the other windows when comparing custom sizes. Because all four windows priced so closely to one another our final selection was made less on the price as it was on NFRC ratings and ultimately the look, style and finish we wanted.
To get a specific answer on a topic like this a person really needs to do their research on the style and features they are looking for in a window and get comparative prices to their specific project.
Jason
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Be thankful you did not choose Marvin Windows. I nad Marvin Windows installed in my house-14 years ago and a sun room with awnings 11 years ago and they all need to be replaced. Unfortunately Marvin stands by their 10 year warranty. Year 7 I had the local rep come out to inspect the cracks in my vinyl clad windows (I do not believe they sell vinyl clad any longer) and was told “normal wear”-and if you paint or caulk them you violate the warranty. My neighbor is also facing having to replace her Marvin Windows. They do have a form you can complete-they may reimburse you up to 25% of the cost of new Marvins-why would I stay with Marvin Windows? Hopefully the aluminum clad have a longer life-but they are expensive windows to have to replace.
I to like Accurate Dorwin. However, did you compare them to two other premium Canadian fiberglass window manufactures - Thermotech and Duxton.
Also Thermal Line Windows out of Mandan ND makes premium windows out of solid cellular vinyl - very interesting material. It looks good, but this material has not been in use as long as fiberglass.
Leo
Hi Leo,
I’ve heard of the Thermotech but not Duxton. I actually couldn’t find either of the on the NFRC rating. These along with the InLine may be great windows but I needed a measuring stick by which to compare and I used the NFRC rating as that device.
I just looked up the Thermal Line and they look like they have some very nice scores from NFRC but I think I’ll stick with the Accurate Dorwin as they match both the performance I was looking for as well as giving me the look I wanted.
Jason
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A late post, I’ll admit but I’m only now visiting your website.
I was so happy that you chose the Accurate Dorwin windows. I am slowly replacing all the windows in my 1932 house with these windows and they are great. So heavy and sturdy and not a whisper of air infiltration.
Also, Arlo, Josh and their crew (especially Pete) are great. You won’t be dealing with ancient, rotting wood frames but I know you’ll get great service and attention to detail. As you can tell, I’m a big fan.
I am enjoying following your progress. Best of luck!
A note on Marvin windows: I installed about 65 Marvin aluminum clad awning style windows on my new house in 1996. In 2005, I noticed that the bottom rails on eight of these, both fixed and opening types, had rotted out because the seal between the glass and frame had failed. Marvin replaced them under warrenty; I paid labor costs. The installer told me that Marvin had redesigned the seal since my purchase. Now I have found four more windows with the same problem. The area service contractor said my 10-year warrenty was up, and this time I’d have to buy the replacements (perhaps at a discount). After many calls to Marvin’s service dept., they finally agreed to no-cost replacements. I’m grateful for that! However, I have 50-plus remaining windows whose seals may also be leaking. At about $240 each, I’m faced with a potentially huge outlay in the future. Since a faulty design is responsible for the failed seals, I believe that Marvin should continue to replace any rotted windows, notwithstanding their limiting ten-year warrenty. After all, these windows turned out to be “lemons.”
Do you feel my position is–or isn’t reasonable? I would appreciate any comments in this regard. Thank you.
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