Favre or no Favre, Vikings should win NFC North

Posted on June 4th, 2009 – 9:25 AM
By Mark Craig

While wondering whatever happened to Rex Daniel Grossman III, let’s take the last look in our stroll through the eight divisions.

The NFC N…AVRE, er North.

The division winner could be determined based on what the old man in Mississippi decides to do.

Then again, if you really break down the division, the Vikings won it last year without father Favre. Why can’t they win it again without him?

Yeah, it’s a new year, but the Vikings, with or without Favre, should be good enough to win the NFC North. (As for being good enough to advance in the playoffs, we’ll leave that argument for another time).

Here’s why: 

. The Lions are awful and rebuilding everything, including their super scary new logo, so count them out. That’s an easy one.

. The Packers are coming off a 6-10 season and are rebuilding a bad defense with a completely new philosophy. Their best defensive player, Aaron Kampman, will be playing out of position, and two rookies, NT B.J. Raji and OLB Clay Matthews, will be counted on heavily.

. The Bears are coming off a 9-7 season and have their best quarterback in decades in Jay Cutler. But if a good quarterback has no one to play catch with, is he still a good quarterback? Plus, the NFL frowns on pass rushers using walkers, so Chicago’s old-timers might have to continue standing there and doing nothing, like they did all last season.

I know Brett needs to be coddled. He needs to be told he’s the greatest and Ted Thompson is the eternal enemy of all mankind. I do think the Vikings should sign Favre if he’s healthy enough to play. But for purposes of this discussion, I also think the Vikings should win the NFC North with or without him.

They have the league’s best running back (Adrian Peterson), not to mention crucial depth at that position; the best defensive line; a nice mixture of talent at receiver (Bernard Berrian and now Percy Harvin); and a now-underrated tight end (Vinsanthe Shiancoe). The offensive line is a question mark because of new faces at center and right tackle.

And, of course, QB has been the one massive issue since 2006. Sage Rosenfels and/or Tarvaris Jackson can succeed 80 percent of the time by just not messing up. But it’s that 20 percent when they’ll have to make a play that could determine the success or failure of the season.

The Vikings won the division last year with Gus Frerotte and T-Jack. And I’d consider Sage an upgrade over Gus because Sage can actually move his feet to avoid getting easily mugged.

Some other thoughts …

. In Chicago, coach Lovie Smith is taking control of the aging, 21st-ranked defense. Someone is getting a little nervous about being 16-16 and 0-0 in the playoffs since appearing in the Super Bowl. 

. Is it me or did the Bears take a great return man (Devin Hester) and make him an average return man who’s a below-average receiver? 

. Does anyone really think Daunte Culpepper is going to start more games than Matthew Stafford this season? Sorry, Daunte. It’s cool that you lost those 30 pounds, but how in the world do the Lions sell themselves to their fans without the hope that No. 1 overall pick Matthew Stafford provides. Several new faces were added on defense. To generate any kind of excitement for the team, the Lions have to get Stafford up and running with veteran WR Calvin Johnson and fellow first-round draft pick TE Brandon Pettigrew ASAP.

. Yeah, Cutler cost the Bears two first-rounders and a third-rounder. Yeah, he was a Pro Bowl player last year. But will he make an immediate impact with few weapons and a shaky offensive line?

. With that in mind, until I see Cutler in the Bears’ offense, I’d have to say the best quarterback in the division going into the season is Aaron Rodgers. Two years ago, the Packers were 13-3 and made the NFC title game with Favre. Last year, they were 6-10 without Favre, but nobody blamed the collapse on Rodgers. That tells you how well he played. He completed 63.6 percent of his passes for 4,038 yards, 28 TDs and 13 interceptions. He has a year of experience and good skill players around him. If the offensive line fills its many holes, Rodgers could have an even better season this year.

. Is Brad Childress’ job in jeopardy? Basically, all coaches are in danger every year. Just look at what has happened the past two years. Guys who have won Super Bowls (Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Brian Billick) have all been fired. I DO NOT expect Childress to be fired. BUT … if he misses the playoffs with a relatively healthy team or goes one-and-done at home in the playoffs again, the pressure to fire him and start over with one of the many big-name coaches who are available will be strong. He knows that’s part of the job.

94 Responses to "Favre or no Favre, Vikings should win NFC North"

adpeterson says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:07 am

alright first one to comment

The Block says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am

There isn’t enough Kool-aid to make me believe the Vikings will ever be competitive let alone win a Super Bowl.

Vikingrube says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am

The Lions have a new log? They can carry “scary new logs” out on the field? Well, whatever the NFL can do to help that terrible defense.
Bears gave up WAY too much for Cutler. They are shaky in several areas and have no depth, especially the skill positions on offense. Too many eggs in one basket, they’re screwed.

AndyShank says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:28 am

Who needs Favre??? We have T-Jack to throw the Interceptions & Sage to do the Helicopter Fumbles.

Fire Childress First.. Hire Billick or Mike Shanahan to run this offense, Then we have a chance.

Xis says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am

If you look at the talent pool of this division, the Vikings should take the cake. BUT of course as we all know nothing ever goes as it should for Minnesota sports teams. Proceed with cautious optimism with our beloved Queens!

Styles says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am

Why are MN sports fans’ goals always so modest? The point of the article is that the Vikes can win the NFC North without Favre. But is it really only the Vikings’ goal to beat out 3 other teams? (3 below-avg teams) Winning the division: Big Deal!

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am

here is the deal did everybody forget that we one at least 4 games that we shouldnt have, both games against detroit you remember the fire childress chants right, the game against the saints and the game against the giants. i wont get into the details but we could have easily been 6-10 so that being said are head coach and o.c. stink so unless the new guys make that big of a difference without the williams wall for 4 games, we better hope we get a HEALTHY favre here people are silly not to want him he was having a mvp year last year until he got hurt and the year b4 he should have been mvp with gb being the youngest team that year. so unless p. harvin is randy moss and we dont miss the williams wall and our o line does fine without birk and gels well togethere we better hope we get a HEALTHY favre otherwise this team is going nowhere sorry to say it.

napmikehol says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am

I agree with oddsmakers that predict a very tight race again in the NFC North, especially against the Bears and possibly also the Packers. If the Vikings get Favre, I think they become the clear favorite.

medicalman says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am

It sure looks like Craig is worried about the Bears. As he should be, they’ll be the only team giving the Vikes competition this year

superfan says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am

We will always be a second rate team until management gets a better coach. The quarterback situation does not matter.

16 Shells from a 30.06 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am

If you’re gonna write the Packers off, June is the time to do it. Maybe people will forget the prediction of Vikings divisional supremacy by the time it falls flat in the face of cold reality. Teams with bad quarterbacks generally don’t win as often as you’d think they would. No matter how you cut it, the Vikes look like the Bears did a few years ago: Good team, vanilla QB. And you saw how far that got them.

BigGuy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am

If the Bears almost made the playoffs last year, if they win in Houston they are in and the Vikes are out, and it was with Orton and the same rec corp, wouldn’t logic say that with Cutler, an obvious better QB then Orton, the Bears will improve, including an upgraded line? This is such a “homer” view of the division, heck, GB isn’t a 6-10 team, I wouldn’t be surprised if they won the divison, and in terms of aging D, the Bears only have 2 players over 30 on the D, Urlacher at 30 and Ogunleye at 32 I think, I think the Vikes have the oldest D by ave, honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if GB won this division this year.

Senor Bruce says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am

Once again the writers are talking playoffs for the Vikes. But as always the Vikes will find a way to blow it. Whether it’s bizarre time management or goofy play calling or off-the-field antics, the Vikes will step on their equipment. Keep in mind the massive defensive line might be missing a couple of plugs for 1/4 of the season–and don’t discount that the opponents for those games are crummy. Viking fans have been disappointed since the founding of the franchise and there is no reason that this misfortune will magically cease. Get your crying towels out and of course get your excuses ready why the purple boys will flop as usual.

Mark says:

June 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am

As a Packer fan, I surely hope that the Vikes take Favre in what would be his 6th annual final season. His arm is as tired as his act. Next thing, the Packers will be getting Fran Tarkington out of retirement.

medicalman says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am

BigGuy…was wondering the same thing about the comment on the Bears DE’s. Strahan was on a SB winning team 2 years ago. Don’t need to mention all of the Steelers starter that rush the passer are on the other side of 30. Seymour was a young player..but then you have McGinest on the other side of him.

SmartBigGuy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am

“If the Bears almost made the playoffs last year, if they win in Houston they are in and the Vikes are out”

Big Guy – You lose all credibility with that statement. Vikes are NFC North champs whether Bears win or lose that game. If Bears win, Philly is out of the playoffs.

kRIS says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am

THE VIKING WOULD ONLY SCREW FAVRE UP LIKE THEY HAVE EVERYONE ELSE. LOOK AT THERE HISTORY ALL THE GREAT PLAYERS AND ALL THE GOOD QB’S OVER THE YEARS MOST HAVE WON SUPERBOWLS ELSEWHERE. WHY CAN A TEAM WITH SUCH TALANT DO SO POORLY YEAR AFTER YEAR. I DON’T THINK THEY NEED PLAYERS I THINK ITS THE FRONT OFFICE AND COACHES. GET ITR TOGETHER YOU HAVE BEEN A SUPERBOWL TEAM FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. BUILD YOUR TEAM AND LIVE WITH IT.

TJ says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:09 am

Hey shut the hell up, your not funny. Take your 1995 jokes back to Wisconsin douche

BILL says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am

GET VINCE MCMAN TO COACH HE ADMITES HE’S A FAKE

tacobite says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:23 am

Styles, winning the division guarantees a spot in the playoffs. Minnesota sports fans are smart enough to know that you need to participate in the playoffs to get to the big game, are you?

Rob says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am

With Klink at the helm, winning the NFC North is not guaranteed.

J says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am

imagine if shanahan was our coach? ap would crush the single season rushing record!

Big John Stud says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am

Big Vikes fan, but if Packers fix the D even moderately, they should be favorites. That offense looked very solid and I think Rodgers will be better than Stafford and Cutler. Vikes better hope JDB makes big progress over the next two years so we can compete with AP, K-Will, J-Allen, and EJ all in their prime. Or else trade for a good 24-year-old QB soon. The future depends on it.

Vike Mike says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am

I think that we should NOT jump to conclusions on the other NFC north teams. ASSUMING they are going to be easy to beat, could very well make us TOO over confident….which sometimes ends up being a mistake! Assuming that the other team is a tough team, makes OUR team work harder…THAT’S how we need to think!

GO VIKINGS!!

d j says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am

Without a “quarterback” defenses will key on AP, every-single-play! Let’s keep AP alive for a long while. A legitimate qb will help in doing that!

adpeterson says:

June 4th, 2009 at 11:44 am

you guys hve no life just setting here and leaving comments all day long dont you guys have jobs

Big J says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

In order for this team to have any success, the architect of this “kick ass” offense needs to have his ass kicked right out of town. Brett Favre will have no more or less success than fellow washed-up Viking QB one-and-done’s Archie Manning or Jim McMahon. When will we stop the great MN Elderly QB experiment? Get a real coach, with a real staff, and go buy a prooven young QB. Do it fast before the rest of the team misses their window of opportunity, as many other posters have already pointed out.

JB says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

I personally like the Letterman story hinting that Kim Jong-IL might joinng the Vikings this year at the QB position. Maybe the North Koreans could invent him a nuclear powered football?? This guy bowled a perfect game and shot a 38 under par for Pete’s sake!! He is our answer!!! Don’t let him get away!!!

Reality Check says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

They can’t win the division with or without Farve. The whole organization is so screwed up that they will be lucky to make it to all the right towns for the away games. This is one of the worst professional sports organizations….They are just lucky that that the Lions have kept the focus off of them for the past few years. For me….fall will bring week after week of not watching, attending or listening to games.

JB says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

And how does one correctly pronounce Favre anyways? That one still confuses me……….

indyvike84 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

So many comments that have covered what I would say. Such as:
1. Klink is an idiot (but he has put together good/greap personnel if he could just call a game!)
2. We don’t need or want Favre (or at least I don’t)
3. We have the people to do the job and even the QB situation can be managed with some experience. Rosenfels almost beat the Colts last year had he not tried too hard to force things to happen and he is able to run (just tuck the ball).
4. Tjack can also run and if given the chance, probably could also pass well if he can open it up (and just tuck the ball away on the runs!).
So much talent, so little time. Just think what a good couch could do with this talent, especially an offensive minded coach. Klink does not fit that at all.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

adpeterson- Your two comments were worthless.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

…and they still are. :D

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

I believe it’s Fav-ray. He’s a brokeback wrangler wearin’ Frenchman.

JB says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

We should require him to spell it the right way if he come to the Vikings…

tpawlenty says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Job? What is a job?

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

It’s where they pay you to blog. You should get one….

Brett Favre says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Quit picking on me! Job? I had a job twice.. I only need this thermos and my lamp.. The thermos and the lamp..

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Everyone talks about the Bears upgrading their QB position when in my opinion the Vikes have upgraded theirs as well thru a better backup in Sage and the continued development of Tarvaris who I think will win the QB battle.

King says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Don’t forget we have a healthy E.J Hendersen coming back,and that makes all the difference.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

…and a very dynamic and explosive young reciever in Percy Harvin.

JB says:

June 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

In 2007 Sage was ranked #16 amongst NFL QB’s with a QB rating of 84.8. That year Favre was ranked #6 with a rating of 95.7. TJack finished in the 28th position with a rating of 70.8%. Last year Frerotte ironically finished in the 28th position with a rating of 73.7%. A slight imprivement over TJ however he obviously was not the answer. TJ’s self doubt and inability to lead is not the answer for the Vikings. Sage is certainly a step in the right direction and Favre would be a band aid for a year possibly two. However until we sign a Manning or River’s, I wont sleep.

wayzata says:

June 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Vikes,Bears,and GB will win their home games and lose their road games. AP will have a decent year and then want out of mn.

Barney says:

June 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

To THE BLOCK,

You sound like you have been drinking that green and gold cool-aid

Macleod says:

June 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Things never go right for the Vikings…
They will never win the division…
The Coach could never win…
No QB equals no wins for the Vikings…

Only one small thing people. All of the above statements are wrong. Because the Vikings won the division last year. And they should be favored again this year until Rogers shows he can make a team win and not just put up impressive personal numbers; until Cutler shows he can carry the entire Bears team; and until the Lions stop being the Lions.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

I think a lot of TJ’s struggles come from Chili not completely trusting/handcuffing him. Both Manning and Rivers would struggle with some of the plays being called especially when not allowed to audible out of them. Hopefully Chili opens up the playbook this year and things won’t be so predictable.

MIchael says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Who is Favre?

Fred Smoot says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

The Vikings will win the Super Bowl, if and only if, they can sign Kim Jong Il. Kim Jong Il beat Chuck Norris 3 out of 3 in arm wrestling.

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

seriously read my post erlier it has all the answers

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Fragiles? Is that yous?

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

cause i am sooooo smart really look at my degrees on football im so smart!!!
and when i die i’ll be the smartest dead guy!!

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

I could barely read it the first time. What makes you think I’d waste my time with it again? Seriously, your post was garbido.

Heather says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

The only hope we have to win the division this year, regardless of how Favre and the other QBs pan out, is to see what impact Harvin actually has. I’m hoping his abilities open things up a bit for AP. If it does, then I think we’ll be able to coast into the Play-Offs. Favre intrigues me just for entertainment’s sake, but I’m not one for drama. I don’t know that he’d make all that much of a difference, and would the difference he’d make be worth the off-the-field issues? Like I said, I’m at least intrigued.

Heather says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

I really hope you’re wrong, Wayzata.

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

aww you know im right kc612 cause im so smart

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

jk but really i just dont see us doing to much unless the coaches improve the offence

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

We won the division last year. There’s plenty of hope. I think the Vikes improved as much, if not more, than the other teams in our division and while it won’t be easy (nothings easy when it comes to the Vikes) we should repeat as NFC North Champs. Now if we can become NFC Division Champs I’ll be excited.

wayzata says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Vikes will probably win the division. They have an easy start to the schedule although those teams probably feel fortunate to play the vikes early on.

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

How can anyone think signing Farve is a bad thing – seriously. If he’s not healthy – he doesn’t pass the physical. If he throws like a girl – they don’t sign him. If he’s healthy and if he wants to play – anyone not wanting to sign him would be the fool.

wayzata says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

I think Farve would be great in a vikes uniform. He would be totally psyched to play for the vikes and would have a career year. T-Jack can’t even throw an accurate pass 10 yds to the big shank.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

We already have two QB’s (who aren’t past their prime) who are almost as good at turning the ball over as Favre. We don’t need some prima donna QB, our strengths are in our running game and defense and we need a QB who doesn’t make the big mistake. Hopefully, TJ can be that QB and if not maybe Sage.

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

I think another piece that would be fun with Favre is to have his total desire to WIN with the supporting cast of AP, Berrian and Harvin. This whole drama is worth it if we get his 100% commitment for 1 year.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

I seem to remember Shank dropping at least one or two passes thrown on target that would have resulted in TD’s. The Colts game is one and I’ll have to think a minute for the others…..

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

I don’t think Favre can make it a whole year at his age. Our line couldn’t protect TJ/Gus very well and they took a beating because of it and at his age that’s gonna take a toll on his body.

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

I’m not someone who is against TJ or Sage – does anyone really think that Favre, in the Dome for 8 games – with our defense and running game – is not a good choice? Agree your not building a dynasty – no – your doing it to win “A” Superbowl….or die trying.

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

KC – agree, I would still roll the dice and try – with TJ and Sage already on board – maybe Favre would get us to 8-1 before getting blown up!

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Now you’ve got me thinking – just how porous is the middle of our line going to be. I can just see the first game…#4 under center…fumbled snap…2 D-Tackles converge – KABOOOM! Drama -over.

Heather says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

KC612 – Shank dropped tons of passes early last season but Childress stuck with him even though the fans were blasting him for it. In the end, Shank came around.

Lloyd – I agree that Favre is worth it if we get 100% commitment, but it seems lately, Favre is 100% certain to not fully commit to anything. He’s a play-maker for sure, and that would be an asset like no other. It seems a lot of things would have to come together to make this happen. – - – Favre would have to WANT to play. His arm would have to be ready to go. The owners and coaches would have to want him. And he will have to agree on a suitable contract. That’s a lot running against a very important ticking clock.

cbestone1 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

i am a brett Favre fan and a Vikings fan
but come on!!!!!!!!!! we have two SH#T
QB’s and we want to bring in a guy that toses more INT’s then anybody. old as dirt and hurt……… what’s next if this does not work call fran tarkinson out of retirement. sometimes i think my team is a joke

Lloyd says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

BOX – couldn’t write it better. As a fan – I like the gamble. Camp is what, 7 weeks away – off to the lake. I’m dreaming purple.

Odraude says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Well, the Bears have improved, and if the Pack gets a D, MN could end up third, even with the NFL’s best back, A. Peterson. They are returning basically the same team. Sage R in Frerotte out, you trade away experience and savvy for legs and inexperience. TJ is what he is. I agree Rodgers is the class of the division. Now, the BEars many moves may not jell, or the GB 3-4 Def means it lets in 34 a game, wel, then MN can win. In a tight race, QB might just make the difference.

KC612 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Heather- I wish Chili would’ve done the same for TJ. I think he’d be a better QB now because of it. It couldn’t have helped his confidence and rhythm being pulled after only the 2nd game. I don’t think those losses were entirely his fault.

cbestone1 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

Odraude

I think you have something there with the packers. A-Rod is the best QB in the devision ( look at th stats ) if there 3-4 D works out and i do like the people they picked up in the draft we could be in big trouble. only one in the NFL that wants Favre is the Vikings there is a reason for this. our best move would be to forget about Favre and get one of our QB’s ready before AP is to old or used up. then we will have a QB and no running back that whole cycle all over again

Heather says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

KC – I agree confidence from the coach can do wonders. All the fans were pressing Chili to remove him – I was too. TJ just blew it time after time. At first, he was irresponsibly misfiring. Then he went the other way and was waaaay too conservitive with the ball. You could tell he was trying to do what was asked of him. So Chili pulls him and puts Gus in, and everyone’s happy… because we’re winning. Of course, Gus had the easier schedule, but we were winning. I agree that TJ didn’t singlehandedly blow it, but I just don’t think he has leadership qualities that today’s QBs need. I always felt like the guys on the field didn’t trust him – had no confidence in him – and if that’s the case, all the QB talent in the world isn’t going to make a difference.

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

you know what we really should do to fix the team is trade all of our players and a first and third round pick for all the patriots players!!! i am soooooooooooo smart!!

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

i miss randy waaaaaaaaa!!!!

joeblizow says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

“The Packers are coming off a 6-10 season and are rebuilding a bad defense with a completely new philosophy.”

Don’t confuse “bad” with INJURED!!! All teams have injuries, but the Packers D was hit especially hard by them last year. They would have easily made the playoffs and won the division if it wasn’t for that. They will be very tough to beat this year and are easily the favorite in the division.

cbestone1 says:

June 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

I think it would be more cost effective to go after the Green Bay Players we seam to want the players they don’t want and relocting them just across the boarder would be cheaper. we take player no body else wants because there washed up. why can’t we win the super bowl again!!

smartguy says:

June 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

cbestone, yes it would be more cost effective but we can afford the pats we got the wilfanator, but your cost effectiveness is pretty smart maybe we should hire you for the t-wolves or twins and call you smartguy#2

Vike Stud says:

June 4th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

T-jack had a 94% QB rating last year, 9 td’s and 2 INT’s. Sidney Rice and Bernard Berrian were both hurt when he lost those games early on, ANS he was missing Mt Mkinney. If he had played just a little better in the playoff game we’d have won, and probably coasted through to the Superbowl after that, only playing teams we’d already beaten, Probably with ahomefield advantage. I say, Put in T-jack, let him play the whole season, and this year we go to the big show.

Relyt says:

June 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

Calling all Vikings Fans sign up at http://www.minnesotamomentum.com to help keep the Vikes in Minnesota were running out of time also there is a link to email the house and senate lets work together to keep our team where they belong

John Norseman says:

June 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

KC612 is right on the money. We’ve got a good young QB who’s gotten better every year. 2nd highest QB rating in the league (117) over the last four games of the season. If Childress would open things up just a little, the kid would put up great numbers. As it is, his numbers are more than respectable for anybody who’s willing to give them a fair look. But unfortunately, most people already have their minds made up…

k-man says:

June 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

It is hard to tell season to season who will be good or not! There is always atleast one surprise winner and loser. On paper our team seems solid, great back, top level D, some explosive players. I think this is T-Jack’s breakout year, but you can’t pass on Farve. Either way I am pumped baby. Go Vikes!!

Iconoclast says:

June 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

Great article. I agree with it 100%. The Vikes have a very good team this year, and everyone needs to stop griping about the QB situation. If Trent Dilfer could win a Super Bowl with a good team around him, so can T-Jack or Sage!

But you forgot one thing: Special Teams. The Vikes have drafted a speedy returner (Harvin) and Special Teams ace Heath Farwell will return this year from an injury. That will help shore up the Vikes’ special teams that cost them at least 2 victories last year. With better special teams, I think that the Vikings should be the NFC favorite, not just NFC North favorite, this year.

bubbyclay says:

June 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

brett favre has always been a great inspired player and his inspiration gets other players inspired. he and the vikes will be ther once he gets that shoulder fixed the vikes coach knows what he’s doing favre be there and the vikes will roll, they have the defence and all new offencive playes to make them better. go vikes

notmeetoo says:

June 4th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Average IQ in here seems to be about 50. Including whoever thinks the Vikes are going to win anything. Every year it’s the same thing. Big expectations, big disappointments.

smashmouth football says:

June 4th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

without, do not sign this nut bag. he’s not worth it. he’s an ego maniac who will drive us crazy like tommy kramer did.. can he win it all or not. nope. I vote no new QB’s in camp go with what you have.

Tom says:

June 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

This team has a load of pro-bowlers on both sides of the ball. Last year we won the division with two quarterbacks and without our defensive quarterback. I believe the biggest addition this year is the return of arguably our best defensive player. The question marks are 1-quarterback 2- right tackle and 3- special teams. Heath is back and add Percy to special teams and LoadMan at tackle and we could see two of the three weaknesses repaired. We are a quarterback away from a dominating team. Perhaps we will be surprised. Go Vikes!

Kaspers Korner » Blog Archive » June 4th, 2009 Daily News says:

June 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

[...] Craig of the Minneapolis Star Tribune writes that the Minnesota Vikings should win the NFC North even without quarterback Brett [...]

Joe hambito says:

June 5th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

smartguy above is absolutely correct! No Favre, no season – end of story. We SHOULD see Holmgren here next year (unless the football-ignorant ownership stays asleep and continues to answer to Childress on football matters as if he’s their boss or something), and unlike the useless Childress, he insists on outstanding play at the QB position and knows that without it, teams go nowhere.

Yes, we could easily have been 6-10 – totally agreed, and most forget that: We were a very ugly 10-6 (which itself, is nothing to write home about.

Favre is needed this year – and with one arm, is a HUGE upgrade over the crap we have, but of course, the IMBECILE loser head coach must go for us to advance at all as an organization – that even the stupidest Vikings fan should *get* by now.

AZ-North says:

June 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

GB defense was terrible last year, but also decimated due to injuries – Barnett, Jenkins, Bigby, and of COURSE Harrell. That was huge. They will depend on two rookies this year, but no more than any other team – Vikes and Bears both are counting on production from rookie receivers. And how often does that happen??

Thomas in DC says:

June 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

You know its interesting how qb’s and head coaches take all the blame. Some one mentioned that sage almost beat the colts last year. TJ did the same with this difference; instead of two picks and a helicopter fumble. Leading 9-0 in the 2nd qtr, he threw a perfect pass which Shianco droped in back of the endzone we got a fg and went up 15-0. Fans were booing. up 15-0 against the colts and you get no support at home? in the 3rd qt tj makes the right read and throws a perfect deep ball Bernard (which would have gone for six)who trips over his own feet and looks for a flag. Can you say soft? Coach made the right call on both, TJ made the right reads and throws on both receivers let us done all year. Harvin needs to be the truth! its tough to be a good qb if receivers 1. can’t stay on the field (rice) 2. Can’t create seperation(wade) 3. Drop balls. My one point against chilly is where is the three receiver set? it removes a LB and adds a 3rd string DB. AP should find easier running as we spread the D (ask Robert Smith who wasnt close to being AP), and exposes the coverage to help your young QB. i truly hope shiano continues to grow. his improvement is keyand should have a big year as our third option behind AP and Harvin. Yeah the post is late, but i have a job ;-)

Pack09 says:

June 8th, 2009 at 7:27 am

Hey Mark the Packers fan,

Favre gave you something you probably didn’t have in your lifetime previously, a Super Bowl ring, and three MVP’s.
He an Reggie White made it ok to be a packers fan, and forget about the bumpkin’ perception GB had before White came here.
Easy to blow him off and forget all that since you’re probably 25 yrs old!
He’d still be QB if it wasn’t for management,we’d have been in the playoffs last year, and this conversation would never be happening.
I’m losing my faith as a Packer fan as I watch you all turn your back on him much like the Bulls fans wanted to have Michael Jordans statue taken down at the United Center when he went to Washington.
If the guy can play, he deserves to play. I wish Barry Sanders had come back 3-4 times as well. Some guys make the game a little more special. Manning,Peterson,Favre, and I’ll have my third #4 jersey to wear! Always a Packer fan, but still glad to see Brett do well, even if its against us! We owe him something.
5……….4………3……2…….1…………lift off!!!!!!!!!!!!

bubbyclay says:

June 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am

BRETT FAVRE is a hunter and he knows when to pull the trigger wheather it’s at quarterback or hunting both which he loves. The vikes can go all the way with favre at quarterback and the vikes officles know that he’s a leader and a great one know one loves the game of football any better. go viking.