We said, She said: Johan Santana
Posted on November 30th, 2007 – 11:14 AMBy Michael Rand
Let’s get right to it, shall we?
RandBall: You stay the hell away from Johan Santana. Do you understand, Lizzy? Look, by this point a trade of the Twins’ ace is inevitable. Some might say it could make the team better in the long run, which often happens when you deal away the best pitcher in baseball. But you keep your filthy Red Sox away from him. Minnesota has already done enough from your one-horse town. You know the drill: KG, Papi, Maroney, blah blah blah. Paul Revere? Originally from Stillwater. We do not care if the Red Sox offer the Twins the most attractive package in the sweepstakes. We do not want to see the sweet lefty pitching in Beantown. It would just be too much. As much as we don’t want to see Santana in Pinstripes, we would prefer that to a dance with the devil that is Boston sports. Not for all the Lesters and Ellsburys in the world.
Lizzy: Let me ask you, Randball, you would rather see your precious Johan in PINSTRIPES? I sure as heck wouldn’t. Although I’m rather enjoying the younger Steinbrenner continuing to do the same kind of damage to the Yankees as his father did. Throwing ridiculous amouts of money at aging prospects. Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, all pushing AARP age and making a gajillion dollars a year for the next 3-4 years. But I digress. I do salivate at the idea of a Santana, Beckett, Schilling, Bucholtz, Lester, Matsuzaka and Wakefield. However, your precous Johan isn’t on my Christmas list this year. Having him end up anywhere but on the m-fing Yankees is.
So I guess we kind of agree. I don’t want to see Bucholtz or Lester or Jacoby anywhere else but in Boston, because with the exception of Bucholtz, all of them played a vital role in bringing another championship to Boston. However, if the other option is Johan ending up on the Death Star? Bring ‘em
to Fenway, Theo. As a Boston fan living in Manhattan, I’ve delt with the insufferable bellyaching of Yankee fans over the course of the last few months, who are now totally convinced that trading away Phil Huges for a guy who honestly, is getting old, and maybe has 2 years of throwing strikeout baseball left before he really has to learn how to pitch, will bring that 27th ring to NYC. Call me a Grinch, but nothing would make me happier than to see the reverse of that taking place, to taste the delicious tears of Yankee fans everywhere, and having Santana end up in the grasp of the Mets or the Red Sox (for the record I’d prefer the Mets).
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[…] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerptWe said, She said: Johan Santana Friday, November 30th, 2007 [IMG lizzy.jpg][IMG rand03.jpg]Let’s get right to it, shall we? RandBall: You stay the hell away from Johan Santana. Do you understand, Lizzy? Look, by this point a trade of the Twins’ ace is inevitable. Some might say it could make the team better in the long run, which often happens when you deal away the best pitcher in baseball. But you keep your filthy Red Sox away from him. Minnesota has already done enough from your one-hors […]
The WWL has one good column up about this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/071130
He’s got a point…we’re paying for a stadium, why can’t the Pohlads pay for Santana?
[…] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerptWe said, She said: Johan Santana Friday, November 30th, 2007 [IMG lizzy.jpg][IMG rand03.jpg]Let’s get right to it, shall we? RandBall: You stay the hell away from Johan Santana. Do you understand, Lizzy? Look, by this point a trade of the Twins’ ace is inevitable. Some might say it could make the team better in the long run, which often happens when you deal away the best pitcher in baseball. But you keep your filthy Red Sox away from him. Minnesota has already done enough from your one-hors […]
You call yourself a Red Sox fan? I would think that being the second fastest pitcher to throw a no hitter in MLB history would at least help you spell the boy’s name right. He is not the mutated offspring of male deer and a certain lisping former University of Minnesota coach–his name is Buchholz.
And yes, that is the best I can come up with right now, based on the comparitive success of our respective teams.
Rest assured, you will not see the rotation you dream of, for you would have to lose at least Lester. Personally, I’d rather see him in pinstripes unless you give up Buchholz AND Ellersby. Maybe Lester too. That’s how sick of Boston sports I am.
I’m not sure why we keep on bring up Maroney in these debates.
1) He was drafted
2) He’s probably the weak link on that team, and if they lose this season, it’ll be because of him.
I also move that we keep Kessel out of these debates as well. He’s from Wisconsin.
Watch the road Toonces! Cats can’t drive cars. Uh, you spelled Jacoby’s last name wrong - stupid karma.
We need to deal Santana, as long as it gets us a CF and 3B OR a CF and SS. If we can’t plug two holes with his trading, forget it. It goes without saying either deal gets us an up and coming starting pitcher. That way we’ll have 8 to choose 5 from next spring.
I would love Ellsbury, Lowrie, and Lester. I’d take Reyes, Gomez, and a pitcher (I don’t know the Mets well enough to know who would be best). I do NOT want Melky, Hughes, et al. Even if it included Joba. Doesn’t serve its purpose.
Ellersby: mutated offspring of Carl Eller and the Great Gatsby.
D’oh. Yeah, I guess that says what I think of the Red Sox deal, and how much I’ve paid attention to the World Series. Tough to spell a guy’s name right when you don’t even really know what it is.
I lean towards the Dodgers deal, although fleecing the Yankees again (see Knoblauch, Chuck) is kind of fun too. And with Trader Bill at the post, maybe he would turn around and package Hughes to fill one of the other gaps.
Personally, I’d try to fill the 3B gap. We’re way too weak there, in the whole system, and I don’t think Harris fits what a team needs from a 3B. From what I understand there’s a chance that Casilla could play ss, and I assume Harris is a better fit at 2B. Regardless of what they do, I do not want to see Nick Punto in the starting lineup more than 35 games next year. I’m tired of Ron Gardenhire trying to make it with guys who play like he did. If Punto is our best option at any position next year, I say we play with 8.
“before he really has to learn how to pitch”
Seriously?
Looks like Lastings Milledge is headed to Washington for Ryan Church. This being speculation time, can someone figure out what this has to do with Johan Santana?
Let’s just all agree that if Johan has to leave, at least send him to the NL so we don’t have to face him that often.
I agree he should go to the Mets. Not only the NL, but hopefully they can also rub it in the Yankees face. The Yankees are the rich kids of 80s movies.
I tried to reply, but the site says I can only post one message every 15 seconds. Sounds like censorship to me.
And I lost what I had posted, and am too lazy to re-type. In summary, don’t think Mets trade Reyes, shouldn’t get Santana without him in the deal, good reason to look to the Dodgers, or ask for a “Will not pitch against Twins for two years” clause in the trade. Can that be done?
The Yankees are the rich kids of 80s movies.
Billy Zabka thanks you for remembering him.
Yeah! Get him a body bag!
{Yeah, I know that wasn’t Zabka’s line–but he really didn’t have any good lines in the movie, according to IMDB.}
Any chance we could trade half Santana to Boston for Ellers-whatever the crap his name is and the other half to New York for Hughes?
I think Hughes is the closest thing they could get to someone being ready to step in and pretend to imitate what Santana has done, but none of the rest of the guys supposedly on the table excite me all that much. Chamberlain yes. Kennedy, eh. Cabrera… snore.
But Boston’s deal, thanks, but you can keep Coco Krisp. Jon Lester’s numbers so far are fairly unexciting. Buchholz intrigues me a bit, but not as much as Hughes as a long term talent. … The Shortstop whose name the PP’s Shooter keeps misspelling - it’s Lowrie - not Lowry - is intriguing.
I don’t think the deal necessarily needs to pull back a CF. There seems to be some rumbling about Nathan going to the Brewers. He was down last year some, but Bill Hall was a 35 homer guy the season before - and if memory serves, they have four outfielders or so. If they could get Hall and throw him out in center that’d be a nice fit.
Or wouldn’t it? School me everyone.
I think they should trade Santana for first round picks, and take aged WR in the first round.
Stu, did you really have to remind me about Lastings Milledge. I spent the whole night waking up in cold sweats screaming “Lastings Milledge”.
Again, any deal with Boston has to include Kevin Youkilis. And Ray Borque.
Ramon: the right to negotiate with Cam Neely had better be thrown in, too.
Stu, I’d throw Denard Span for that. But we’d have to also get a pound of Robert Parish’s best weed.
I totally forgot about the Chief’s prediliction for left-handed cigarettes, Ramon. Thank you for the reminder.
I hope we can manage to snag Miguel Cabrera in some sort of fancy three-team, 12-player trade out of this deal.
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