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Tuesday (Tigers trade) edition: Wha’ Happened?

Posted on December 5th, 2007 – 9:20 AM
By Michael Rand

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001balance.jpgConsidering we spent about 2.5 hours in the car last night (about one hour, 45 minutes to get from downtown Minneapolis to downtown St. Paul, then another 45 minutes later to get home back in Minneapolis), we had quite a bit of time to think about the Tigers’ acquisition of Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins for a boatload of prospects. We also had plenty of time to change our minds about the trade several times. But here are some over-riding thoughts:

*The number of teams jumping into the “have” category in the American League has certainly grown, hasn’t it? And it’s really messing with the Balance of Power. Why, if we’re not careful, it will soon be Guitarmageddon (that only makes sense if you follow the link, and even then it only makes sense if you’re willing to accept that it will take place this Sunday at tea time). But we digress. It used to be Boston and the Yankees putting together all-star lineups and spending boatloads of cash. Now the Angels are definitely in that mix. And despite the financial hit of Willis and Cabrera not being all that great relatively speaking, it appears the Tigers want to be in that conversation, too. Four major players from three divisions. Four playoff spots, including a wild card. It could be getting even bleaker for teams like the Twins.

*That said, the Tigers mortgaged quite a bit to get these two players, even if they are young. Most people think of Willis as the guy who burst onto the scene as a rookie on the Marlins’ World Series team in 2003, or they think of his 22-win 2005 season. They might forget that he was 10-15 (including 1-11 in June, July and August) with an ERA over 5 in the weak-hitting National League last year. Cabrera has had weight issues in the past, though his production cannot be overlooked. He’s a terrific hitter in a now even more stacked lineup. That said, with the age of the Tigers’ other players and the fact that both Cabrera (2009) and Willis (2010) will be free agents in not too long (and are both arbitration-eligible now). Unless they truly want to enter the Yankees’ stratosphere, the Tigers look to be gearing up for a 2-to-3 year run. And even with nearly the same team last year, they didn’t make the playoffs. (They also added Jacque Jones this offseason, which immediately downgrades their offseason).

*All the more reason for the Twins to trade Santana and gear up for 2010 and the new ballpark. We don’t like the “play for the future” angle, but we do think the Twins need to be thinking about an upswing when Detroit and maybe Cleveland are potentially on a downswing. Hang on long enough to get Lester, Ellsbury and Lowrie from the Red Sox. That’s fair value. Roll out a rotation (ideally) next year of Liriano, Lester, Baker, Bonser and Slowey. Young as hell, but full of potential. Roll out a lineup of Ellsbury (or Crisp if they settle), Mauer, Young, Morneau, Cuddyer, Kubel, Lowrie, Harris, Casilla. Punto is your Denny Hocking/Jeff Reboulet/Al Newman/some other guy we can’t think of that TK loved.
*Guitarmageddon?

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14 Responses to "Tuesday (Tigers trade) edition: Wha’ Happened?"

Dave MN says:

December 5th, 2007 at 9:30 am

I love that teams will give up some prospects, but not others. Do they not realize that with a potent lineup behind him, Johan will probably win 20-25 games? Hell, most of the games he lost seemed to be low scoring and close. He gave up a lot of homers this year, but they were largely solo shots (something Boston or New York’s lineup could overcome pretty readily).

Seriously, the Yankees were going to let this fall apart over Ian Kennedy? He’s a nobody at this point, and there’s no guarantee that he’ll ever be a “somebody” in this league. Santana isn’t just a “somebody”, he’s a [redacted] two-time Cy Young and the elite pitcher in the majors. And the Red Sox, they’re willing to let this crash over Clay Bucholz or Jacoby Ellsbury? All this says to me is that if you think enough about anything you can talk yourself out of it.

I’m sure if I sat and pondered it from all angles for days on end, I could probably find reasons to back out of a no-strings, no consequences night with Scarlett Johansson.

Over-analysis can kill anything. “Randy Moss has character issues”, “Adrian Peterson is injury prone”, “Kevin Durant needs to get stronger”…etc.

roughkat says:

December 5th, 2007 at 9:39 am

Clearly Detroit doesn’t understand that you’re supposed to develop young talent only to trade it away once it becomes actual talent and not just potential. Then in return, you get more young talent to develop and the cycle continues. That’s you run a baseball team.

jama says:

December 5th, 2007 at 10:32 am

I think the Tigers trade was great for the Twins for several reasons(Warning this could get long):

1. The Angels didn’t get Cabrera so they may now be in on the Santana trade talks. They have much better prospects than the Yankees and Red Sox.

2. This forces the Twins to plan for 2010 rather than think they can win now. Even with Santana the Twins were not going to seriously compete for the Central title.

3. The Tigers just traded away their whole future. As the proprietor noted the Tigers are making a run for 2 years. If they don’t re-sign Cabrera and don’t win a World Series this could go down as a horrible trade.

4. Dontrell Willis will now be pitching in the AL Central. He is a Train wreck.(They call him D-Train get it). I know people don’t like stats but his whip was 1.60 at the end of last year, which is absolutely horrible. He had an ERA over 6 for the last 3 months of the season.

5. We get to watch a lot more of Miguel Cabrera in person. This guy is one of the top 5 players in baseball and the Tigers will be coming to the Dome at least 8 times so I suggest you go watch this guy hit.

jama says:

December 5th, 2007 at 10:38 am

ON a complete side note. Did anyone watch the USC/Memphis College Basketball game last night?

The TWolves are going to have a top 3 pick so I thought I would watch the Mayo/Rose battle. I am now totally against drafting OJ Mayo, he is a Nazi. Did anyone see him sporting that Hitler mustache? We can’t have a guy like that running around in these parts. Well at least not until he shaves that ridiculous looking thing off.

roughkat says:

December 5th, 2007 at 10:46 am

I watched a little bit of the game. Even though my special lady friend went to USC for grad school, she still doesn’t care much about the basketball team (other than wanting to pick them over Texas last year in the 2nd round). I didn’t see much of Mayo play though.

Regarding Memphis: they’ll look solid all year until the tourney because they don’t play enough good teams. Gone in the 2nd or 3rd round.

jama says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:10 am

roughkat, you didn’t see the Hitler ’stache then? Man I couldn’t get over it, I couldn’t enjoy the game.

Dave MN says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:11 am

Holy Crap! The Twins are reportedly going after David Eckstein. Can the team handle any more pluckiness and scrappiness?

They’d better not.

Stu says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:12 am

Clearly Detroit doesn’t understand that you’re supposed to develop young talent only to trade it away once it becomes actual talent and not just potential. Then in return, you get more young talent to develop and the cycle continues. That’s you run a baseball team.

Nice.

Stu says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:14 am

Where are you seeing the Eckstein rumor, Dave?

Dave MN says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:17 am

mlbtraderumors.com

Best place to go, pulls all of the information from all directions together in one place.

Dave MN says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:17 am

I suppose I could make it a link to make it easier.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

Stu says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:39 am

Huh. I mean, I guess he’s better than what we’ve got now, but I’ve always preferred to hate him.

Stu says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:39 am

Eckstein, not Dave, just to be clear.

Dave MN says:

December 5th, 2007 at 11:47 am

That’s unfortunate, I’d like to think I’m deserving of such glorious backhanded praise.