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Thursday (fascinating trade) edition: Wha’ Happened?

Posted on February 7th, 2008 – 8:00 AM
By Michael Rand

shaq.jpgThis is the bold strike the Suns did not make in the offseason, when the were in the mix for KG but never pulled the trigger. Shaquille O’Neal to Phoenix for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks (remember him?) Two things are without doubt: 1) This is the most interesting trade in any sport that we can recall. 2) Suns’ GM Steve Kerr needs a forklift for his Sam Cassell-like condition. The general reaction among those who cover the NBA and those who crunch numbers is that the Suns are crazy. Marion is 29, in his prime. Shaq is almost 36, clearly on the downside. And still, a part of us can’t help but love this trade dearly and wonder if it’s just crazy enough to work. Let’s face some facts: Marion is a nice player, a four-time all-star, but this is Steve Nash’s team. Marion shot 45 and 44 percent from the field in the two years before Nash arrived; they had a transition year together, and then in his past 2.5 years spent with Nash, Marion is at about 52.5 percent. Nash makes people better. He isn’t solely responsible for making Marion what he is, but he sure didn’t hurt. Also, let’s not pretend that Kerr is breaking up the 1990s Bulls. These Suns have been a lot of fun; they’ve also never made it out of an admittedly stacked Western Conference with their up-and-down style. But these aren’t the reasons why this deal is so fascinating. For that, we turn to Shaq. There are few story angles more compelling in sports than the aging thoroughbred brought in for one or two more trips around the track. Marion is the better player in many ways; the question, though, is whether Shaq is a better fit for this team (and don’t forget in that assessment that Nash turns 34 today and might not have many more runs in him as well). The Suns are clearly counting on the fact that Shaq has more juice left than he was showing with the hapless Heat (an NBA player dogging it to provoke a trade? Surely you jest!); they are also gambling that he is not only the missing piece, but that the team can, in a sense, learn to play a different style on the fly. But a motivated, relatively healthy, 36-year-old Shaq in the playoffs, even at 70 percent of what he once was? That would be terrifying and, we dare say, make the Suns a favorite to win it all. There are plenty of “ifs,” but bless those ifs for being so delicious. The final one: If these retooled Suns face those retooled Lakers, say in the conference semis or — dare we dream — the conference finals? Well that would be pretty fun now, wouldn’t it? The reasons for hating this trade if you’re a Suns fan are logical; the reasons for loving it if you’re a Suns fan are more based on gambling and guts. From the outside looking in, it simply fascinates us because it could be a stroke of genius or an utter failure. And we’re pretty sure we’re loving that right now.

*Kevin Hart, the recruit who was “duped,” says he made the whole thing up. Wow.

*Three of The four participants in the NBA slam dunk competition have Youtube videos courting your vote. But hey, Dwight Howard wants your vote. So, too, does Gerald Green (thanks to Foley for the update … the NBA press release indicated only the other three had videos).
*Pedro Martinez, Juan Marichal and cockfighting. If you guessed, “What are three things that have nothing to do with one another,” you are wrong.

Fasola-link! We missed this yesterday. Shame on us. Go ahead! Throw away your vote.

34 Responses to "Thursday (fascinating trade) edition: Wha’ Happened?"

Stu says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:13 am

We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I’d like to hear it.

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:14 am

I hope that kid that made up the recruiting story gets stuck playing college football in some god forsaken place now. Like maybe Bismarck or there abouts.

I sure hope people weren’t feeling sorry for him.

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:14 am

I wonder if Pedro named his cock, little Pedro a la Seinfeld.

fasolamatt says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:16 am

So, is Marcus Banks the key to this deal, too?

fasolamatt says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:19 am

Today’s fasolalink, since the Proprietor posted yesterday’s:

The history of the Apgar score

Dave MN says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:20 am

The virtual tour of the new Gopher stadium is sweet! If you are looking for reasons for the excellent class Brewster brought in, consider that tour exhibit A.

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:25 am

Rand I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t at least mention the fact that the Shaq trade makes that rematch of the last minute or so of the Hawks/Heat game a little confusing. I think that Marion should be able to play although I’m sure that won’t happen. They should just give Marion 5 fouls and pretend his is Shaq.

Dave, I agree that virtual tour looks pretty good. I’m already looking forward to drinking too much and falling down those stairs.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:25 am

Whenever I did see a Heat game, it was obvious this was not the Shaq of Lakers fame and not just because he was older and became a lard ass. He hated the Heat, and going to a basketball mad town like Phoenix, My guess is that he himself turns into a Phoenix (I had to say that), but that he gets 2-3 more years out of his tank. Should be more fun than watching him dog it in Fla.

Foley says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:34 am

Gerald Green does have a video on youtube also. http://youtube.com/watch?v=PTqhktDrm_M I was actually there watching him film it. You can see me watching from above, behind the hoop.

roughkat says:

February 7th, 2008 at 8:43 am

The Suns were too soft before the trade. I think this will bump up there aggressiveness +5 even if agility goes down -8. Yes their style will have to change some but that doesn’t mean the other 4 guys can’t run fast breaks sometimes.

I’m not sure how the Heat have faded so quickly after winning the championship 2 years ago. It just goes to show you how much Antoine really means to a team.

Who was it here that tried to declare themselves for the NBA draft? The Hart story reminds me of that. BTW - I’m holding a press conference later today to announce that I haven’t decided on a school yet. My choices are down to Minnesota, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC and IUPUI. I also haven’t decided on a sport.

fasolamatt says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:00 am

In other news, the Mets have scheduled Johan Santana Bobblehead Day for September 7. That didn’t take long.

JPF says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:04 am

Shaq is done. Stick a fork in him. He is a shell of the player he used to be. I believe this trade will not deliver the championship they desire.

I wasnt successful with my ruse either when i told my wife that two 20 yr old sorority girls were fighting over me. She told me to pick one of them and then locked the doors…lol

Stu says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am

The natatorium at IUPUI has one of the fastest swimming pools in the world, so that might be the route to take, sir.

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:07 am

roughkat

I tried to declare myself for the 2007 NFL Fantasy Draft but because of that damn age requirement I wasn’t elgible.

roughkat says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:17 am

Stu

The fasted pool in the world would still leave me as the 2nd slowest swimmer ever, next to Cartman in the Special Olympics. I think I could still beat him.

I was thinking of checking out their fencing team. I could maybe make that team.

Minnesnota says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:21 am

Fasola Matt…

You think that’s bad. The Twins allready have Delmon Young bobblehead day scheduled for July 19th!!

Wonder if he will be capured in mid Bat toss??

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/schedule/promotions.jsp?c_id=min&y=2008

Joker says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:23 am

I want to know what it is you were searching when you found “pedro” and “cock fighting”…

fasolamatt says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:24 am

When’s RandBall BobbleHead Day?

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:35 am

Shaq is now to be reputed to have a 2″ vertical, truly a force to be reckoned with….

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:44 am

Damn moderation: I better try this another way.

It sounds like this kid could have a tough time in the locker room.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_fe_st/odd_court_circumcision;_ylt=AnWu3XFCmrUru.jJxdDoFVQZ.3QA

roughkat says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:46 am

So cock fighting is ok, as long as its in another country. Dog fighting definitely is not. Where does the line get drawn? What about those fighting fish? I heard they’re pretty hardcore. Is bug fighting ok?

http://www.japanesebugfights.com/

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:55 am

Cock fighting is only okay when you are trying to get a bounced check taken off a supermarket wall. Other than that I think it might be illegal.

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 9:57 am

I quit, Moderation is killing me today. I guess you can say Cock but you can’t say pnis

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:01 am

Cock fighting in prison is frowned upon

roughkat says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:08 am

This post should have been the earmuffs edition.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:17 am

How about the Fighting Irish ?? They’re on tv 6 days a week

super rookie says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:22 am

Not one mention of the awesome 2-2 tie in Houston?

Man, I love Pedro Martinez. Who would win between him and Manny?

jama says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:27 am

Pedro would win because he now has 2 partners. Little Pedro and Mini Pedro.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris/803944/

roughkat says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:32 am

S.U. Perrookie - Did you see when the US goalie put the dood in a headlock and then acted like he had been charged by the guy from the Mexico team. Classic.

Nathan says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:39 am

Do not mess with Timmy Howard. He’s as likely to eat you as he is to save a shot. Di Nigris is lucky Bocanegra grabbed Timmy, or he would’ve killed him.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 10:44 am

faso…how ’bout John Rocker, the only man at this moment assuredly not mentioned as a running mate with Obama

Fred Engall says:

February 7th, 2008 at 11:19 am

I think Phoenix picked up Shaq for his awesome free throw pct.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

February 7th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Shaq is an egomaniac. He had great trouble adjusting to Kobe’s brilliance. Nash too is a brilliant player. Can Shaq adjust ? How the hell do I know .