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RandBall Q&A: Sports Illustrated’s Gary Smith

Posted on October 2nd, 2008 – 11:57 AM
By Michael Rand

smith.JPGsmithbook.jpgIn trying to find a worthy comparison for Gary Smith’s contributions to the world of sportswriting (and writing in general), several names popped up. The Babe Ruth of … The Wayne Gretzky of … The Michael Jordan of … but none sounded right. Hopefully, you get the idea: his depth of writing for Sports Illustrated has defined a genre. Twenty of his best pieces appear in a new book called “Going Deep: 20 Classic Sports Stories.” If you aren’t familiar with his work, there’s always time for change. From legends to relative unknowns, Smith finds a way to get to the heart of stories. He also recently took the time to answer some questions from us. Here we go:

RandBall: How did you pick these 20 stories, and was that a difficult process?

Gary Smith: It was. I went back and forth over a lot of them. One thing was wanting to get all four of the national magazine award stories in there. And there are three that either a movie has been made or rights for a movie have been sold. Then I was just trying to get a mix. I had some thoughts toward pacing, a mixture of celebrities and unknown. And things with a different feel. There was no formula or science to it.

RB: Do you have a personal favorite or favorites?

GS: It’s hard to say, but up there among the favorites is one I wrote called “Damned Yankee” and the one about Ali’s entourage.

RB: I’d like to talk about the process: For one of the average-length pieces in the book, can you give me a rough outline of the process from the inception of the idea to publication?

GS: I get an idea, and then I try to spend a couple days reading anything I can about it. I jot some questions down, and if the person is agreeable I try to spend a week and a half or so with them. Then I come back and start transferring material into my laptop, putting it into categories. I’m thinking about the material, thinking about themes, and writing down follow-up questions, and I do a good bit of follow-up calling. Then I’m thinking about how I want to structure it, what the piece really has to say, trying to show it not just say it, and then finally I start writing. That will take an average of three weeks.

RB: You not only get access to your subjects, but you use it extraordinarily well. Your ability to peel back the layers – and to keep peeling – is the key to your work, in my mind. How would you describe the way you approach and gain the trust of your subjects?

GS: Some of it has to do with being comfortable with yourself and trusting yourself, and hopefully that puts the other person at ease. They get a sense with the questions as its developing and unfolding that the priority is just trying to understand who they are as a person instead of trying to judge them. Maybe some of them have read a few things I’ve written before, which helps. … It definitely is something that develops over time. It’s something that’s grown with confidence in what I was doing.

RB: When you go that deep with people, how do you ultimately let go and move on to the next thing?

GS: It’s kind of like coming up out of a dream sometime. It takes a couple days to clear it out of your head, and its’ never completely cleared out. The stories and the people – you emerge from something.

RB: You remark in the acknowledgments, “In an industry in which the long narrative is gasping …” a partial quote intended to give thanks to your editor at SI. What are your thoughts on the overall direction of the business and the types of writing going on?

GS: The movement of ad dollars from print to online is hard to ignore. I think it’s a shame, and something will be lost. To me, the web is a great medium, but it’s far from the ideal medium for long, thought-provoking things. We’re going there with a mindset of going there for information. You’re in that mode, trigger finger ready for a scroll, rather than to think or feel and absorb it. I’m hoping in some way that through at least books or something, people will realize the importance of something that takes them to a different place, that there’s some forum for that aside from the web. I just don’t think that transaction works there. That medium (the Internet) works for other things.

RB: What else do you read, both within the sportswriting world and beyond?

GS: We get the New York Times here every day, and I read the local Charleston (S.C.) paper. Beyond that, the last couple of years I have been reading a lot of philosophy. A friend of mine and I are trying to follow the ball from the Pre-Socratics in Greece to where we are now … we’re not all the way through. We’re maybe halfway down that road right now.

RB: Interesting. Is that type of range in your reading something that translates into your writing, or is it just a personal interest?

GS: It’s both. It has definitely shaped a lot of how I think about the world and other human beings, and how I approach stories.

RB: I imagine you aren’t used to being the interview subject. Is it strange being in the other chair, so to speak?

GS: I definitely have done more of that [interviewing] in the last couple of weeks than in my entire life. The questions have all been good … but it is strange. I’m not learning anything new.

20 Responses to "RandBall Q&A: Sports Illustrated’s Gary Smith"

newbie says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 pm

“Going Deep:

Isn’t that the working title of your book Joker?

s1rweeze says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Holy crap. Great get and great interview, Rand, especially the bits about the creative process.

Jon says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm

How about “Gary Smith, Hero of Readers Everywhere?”

To me, the web is a great medium, but it’s far from the ideal medium for long, thought-provoking things… You’re in that mode, trigger finger ready for a scroll, rather than to think or feel and absorb it… I just don’t think that transaction works there.

Follow-up question, for Candidate Rand: When was the last time the Strib published anything long and thought-provoking - you know, something that wouldn’t be easily translatable to the web?

Michael Rand says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Jon: I think we strive to do a fair amount of that here … though anything that gets really long or involved turns into a series spread out over days rather than one sit-down read. It’s a matter of both attention spans and getting more eyeballs on our best material. Magazine-style writing has always lent itself to a longer form, but I think there is still a place in a newspaper for a well-written 2,500 word feature.

Mr USA says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Rand,

Did you ask him if he ever decided to not pay his creditors?

Brandon says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 pm

I’m thankful Rand edited out all his “um”s and “uh”s and “sorry I am just really nervous here”s and “yes, I just wet myself”s and “oh god can I just kiss you on the mouth just once?” remarks.

Rocket says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Am i the only one who believes that Gary Smith was taking a shot at RandBall when, at the end of an interview with RandBall, he claimed that he didn’t learn anything from interviews? He’s challenging your chops, RandBall! What a talentless prick.

Randy Johnson says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Hey,

Who posted my picture?

Michael Rand says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Brandon + Rocket, +1 all around.

Michael Rand says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Rocket: and joking aside, I think what he meant was that as opposed to doing an interview where he learns about someone, he’s answering questions and giving answers he already knows.

Rocket says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 pm

RandBall, are you suggesting that I’ve taken something out of context, suited it to fit my particular needs, totally overreacted, and then wrote a post in feigned anger for comedic effect?

Why you miserable son of a…

Jeff says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 pm

I am really looking forward to this book. There have been many times I’ve finished an article in SI where I’ve gone “I wonder if Gary Smith wrote this” and found his name at the credits. This is a great writer who doesn’t impose his opinion or style on a piece. I’m afraid however that SI is heading down the path of catering to the short attention span reader (Giving Dan Patrick a page is one example of that trend). Thanks for the story, Michael.

Jon says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm

RandBall - I love those longer pieces. Love them. I wish the sports section was ten pages, with each page carrying a single 2,500 word article (or even better, with one 10,000 word article spread over four pages.)

Yeah, I know they’re incredibly time-consuming and hard to write and don’t provide the daily content that the paper thrives on and don’t fit the target newspaper reader and all that. But I’d rather read one long, in-depth exploration of a topic than a week’s worth of snappy, short-attention-span-enabled sports sections.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 pm

I liked his lines “To me, the web is a great medium, but it’s far from the ideal medium for long, thought-provoking things….You’re in that mode, trigger finger ready for a scroll, rather than to think or feel and absorb it.”

Maybe, now excruciating thoughtful and intelligent pieces even though those pieces may well be excessively long will better be accepted in these posts… of course I’m not talking of any of my work now

Stu says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Smith’s story about Pat Tillman is so goddamn good it’ll break your heart.

Paul Peter Paulos says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

I remember that in college (U-W) I knew a Univ. paper sportswriter in the dorms who could have written in any genre. So, I’m unsure what is needed most, great writing skills or great interest in the sport. Nonetheless, this guy had no enormous interest in football, for example (which was going into survival mode since the Badgers sucked when I was there). He simply loved to write and probably could have written cookbooks just as well..

Dave MN says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Thanks for linking to that story, Stu.

Brent Clark says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

Gary Smith is the best sports writer alive, and probably the best periodical writer as well.

Sassbottom says:

October 2nd, 2008 at 3:28 pm

So much talent, so very little of it wasted.

That guy is the shizz.

Victor Lebanon says:

October 3rd, 2008 at 11:28 am

I agree with Rocket. Smith was definitely, definitely ridiculing Randball - I bet you didn’t spend a couple days reading up on him and a week-and-a-half hanging out with him to do that Q&A.

Lazy, lazy Randball.