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	<title>Comments on: Links: Pumping behind the wheel, wheelin&#8217; and dealin&#8217;, and more</title>
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		<title>By: pdxtran</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/03/11/links-pumping-behind-the-wheel-wheelin-and-dealin-and-more/#comment-12630</link>
		<dc:creator>pdxtran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the impositions of suburban development on the city (Lake and Hiawatha, Lake and Nicollet, University and Snelling, and I could add much of the "renovation" of West Broadway, have all occurred in low-income areas. When affluent areas "renovate," they do so in ways that make the area more pleasant and walkable instead of uglier and more auto-dependent. I'm thinking of Linden Hills, 50th and France, places like that. There's an underlying attitude that it's okay to build a trashy environment for poor people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the impositions of suburban development on the city (Lake and Hiawatha, Lake and Nicollet, University and Snelling, and I could add much of the &#8220;renovation&#8221; of West Broadway, have all occurred in low-income areas. When affluent areas &#8220;renovate,&#8221; they do so in ways that make the area more pleasant and walkable instead of uglier and more auto-dependent. I&#8217;m thinking of Linden Hills, 50th and France, places like that. There&#8217;s an underlying attitude that it&#8217;s okay to build a trashy environment for poor people.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barryS:I'm almost positive it's Galaxy. It's not called Heart of the City, but what they're trying to accomplish is similar: making a "downtown" where none existed.

Do you know where the new restaurant Enjoy! is? That's part of it. It's also near Culver's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barryS:I&#8217;m almost positive it&#8217;s Galaxy. It&#8217;s not called Heart of the City, but what they&#8217;re trying to accomplish is similar: making a &#8220;downtown&#8221; where none existed.</p>
<p>Do you know where the new restaurant Enjoy! is? That&#8217;s part of it. It&#8217;s also near Culver&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: barryS</title>
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		<dc:creator>barryS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the next time I'm in AV, I'm going to have to check out this Heart of the City thing.  It's on Galaxy Ave, you say?

And I could have sworn that Cedar was 8 lane once you hit the stoplights, but you're right, I was probably including the turn lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the next time I&#8217;m in AV, I&#8217;m going to have to check out this Heart of the City thing.  It&#8217;s on Galaxy Ave, you say?</p>
<p>And I could have sworn that Cedar was 8 lane once you hit the stoplights, but you&#8217;re right, I was probably including the turn lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/03/11/links-pumping-behind-the-wheel-wheelin-and-dealin-and-more/#comment-12567</link>
		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Apple valley, it's funny that the official quoted refered to the Cedar/42 intersection as "downtown", when the city is in the middle of building a Burnsville Heart of the City type development a couple blocks east of Cedar along Galaxy Ave., trying to make their own "downtown". From what I can see it's a disaster, with a couple of ill-advised one-way streets and a roundabout. There is a large new hotel there that looks abandoned because the lower level retail hasn't filled in, and every time I go by there it (the hotel) looks empty. It was just a weird place to build such a large hotel, not being located near any major streets, nor any major retail or commercial businesses for that matter.

As for Cedar Ave. itself, something needs to be done, there is no question. I have to take issue with a couple things barryS said. First of all, there are no "8-lane" roads in A.V. Cedar Ave. has 3 lanes each way through part of town, but that's it. There are no other roads with more than 4 total lanes. 42 &#38; 46 SHOULD be 6 lanes, but alas they're not. barryS must have been counting turn lanes as lanes.

 Also, there are more than a "few" stoplights in A.V. Whether it be on Cedar, County 42 or cty. 46, there are lights at nearly EVERY intersection. In fact, I've e-mailed the City sarcastically asking them to change the name of the city to Stoplight Valley. That seems to be their solution to traffic: put up a stoplight. Never mind the gridlock that ensues. 

As for what to do for the future, this is just typical MN lack of any foresight whatsoever. What did they think would happen when they built a 6-lane freeway that morphed into a stoplight-riddled surface street? There should have been land set aside for future freeway expansion or some sort of moratorium on what could be built and how and where. 

To be heading south on Cedar at 70 mph and suddenly see signs saying 45mph, and then cresting the hill to see a sea of stoplights and brake lights ahead is a sight that never ceases to have me scratching my head. What were they thinking? They weren't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Apple valley, it&#8217;s funny that the official quoted refered to the Cedar/42 intersection as &#8220;downtown&#8221;, when the city is in the middle of building a Burnsville Heart of the City type development a couple blocks east of Cedar along Galaxy Ave., trying to make their own &#8220;downtown&#8221;. From what I can see it&#8217;s a disaster, with a couple of ill-advised one-way streets and a roundabout. There is a large new hotel there that looks abandoned because the lower level retail hasn&#8217;t filled in, and every time I go by there it (the hotel) looks empty. It was just a weird place to build such a large hotel, not being located near any major streets, nor any major retail or commercial businesses for that matter.</p>
<p>As for Cedar Ave. itself, something needs to be done, there is no question. I have to take issue with a couple things barryS said. First of all, there are no &#8220;8-lane&#8221; roads in A.V. Cedar Ave. has 3 lanes each way through part of town, but that&#8217;s it. There are no other roads with more than 4 total lanes. 42 &amp; 46 SHOULD be 6 lanes, but alas they&#8217;re not. barryS must have been counting turn lanes as lanes.</p>
<p> Also, there are more than a &#8220;few&#8221; stoplights in A.V. Whether it be on Cedar, County 42 or cty. 46, there are lights at nearly EVERY intersection. In fact, I&#8217;ve e-mailed the City sarcastically asking them to change the name of the city to Stoplight Valley. That seems to be their solution to traffic: put up a stoplight. Never mind the gridlock that ensues. </p>
<p>As for what to do for the future, this is just typical MN lack of any foresight whatsoever. What did they think would happen when they built a 6-lane freeway that morphed into a stoplight-riddled surface street? There should have been land set aside for future freeway expansion or some sort of moratorium on what could be built and how and where. </p>
<p>To be heading south on Cedar at 70 mph and suddenly see signs saying 45mph, and then cresting the hill to see a sea of stoplights and brake lights ahead is a sight that never ceases to have me scratching my head. What were they thinking? They weren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: yuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Matty about Lake Street.  

Just the other day I walked a mile from the light rail stop on Lake Street with a suitcase on wheels in tow.  The most dangerous thing I encountered was trying to navigate the ice/water puddles at every corner without geting my suitcase wet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Matty about Lake Street.  </p>
<p>Just the other day I walked a mile from the light rail stop on Lake Street with a suitcase on wheels in tow.  The most dangerous thing I encountered was trying to navigate the ice/water puddles at every corner without geting my suitcase wet.</p>
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		<title>By: Matty</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/03/11/links-pumping-behind-the-wheel-wheelin-and-dealin-and-more/#comment-12530</link>
		<dc:creator>Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monte, 

I don't think you need to worry too much.  I regularly walk Lake Street and its environs between I-35 and Hiawatha without incident.  My partner in life does as well and she would be considered an "easier" target for mugging than me.  

Eyewitness news, et al. would have you believe that a walk down Lake Street is a dangerous proposition, due to criminals and criminal activity.  They would be wrong.  The biggest danger to pedestrians on Lake Street are the too numerous automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monte, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you need to worry too much.  I regularly walk Lake Street and its environs between I-35 and Hiawatha without incident.  My partner in life does as well and she would be considered an &#8220;easier&#8221; target for mugging than me.  </p>
<p>Eyewitness news, et al. would have you believe that a walk down Lake Street is a dangerous proposition, due to criminals and criminal activity.  They would be wrong.  The biggest danger to pedestrians on Lake Street are the too numerous automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Monte</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/03/11/links-pumping-behind-the-wheel-wheelin-and-dealin-and-more/#comment-12522</link>
		<dc:creator>Monte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it even safe to go walking on Lake Street, or would I get mugged for my tennis shoes and ipod? I was talking to an employee at the Bloomington Cub Foods about their "pay by touch" system, and he said it gets used a lot more at their Lake Street store because people there are afraid to carry cash or credit cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it even safe to go walking on Lake Street, or would I get mugged for my tennis shoes and ipod? I was talking to an employee at the Bloomington Cub Foods about their &#8220;pay by touch&#8221; system, and he said it gets used a lot more at their Lake Street store because people there are afraid to carry cash or credit cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wonder why able-bodied fit people drive and drive all over a parking lot looking for the closest spot...
I always park near the end of the lot so I can get OUT!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wonder why able-bodied fit people drive and drive all over a parking lot looking for the closest spot&#8230;<br />
I always park near the end of the lot so I can get OUT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that people still don't want to get out of their cars and walk a few feet. The Burnsville development Heart Of The City is a prime example. A recent article pointed out the lack of parking because a planned parking ramp has yet to be constructed, and the business owner's assertions that they're losing business because people don't want to have to walk more than a few feet from their parking spots. They want less sidewalks and landscaping, and more parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that people still don&#8217;t want to get out of their cars and walk a few feet. The Burnsville development Heart Of The City is a prime example. A recent article pointed out the lack of parking because a planned parking ramp has yet to be constructed, and the business owner&#8217;s assertions that they&#8217;re losing business because people don&#8217;t want to have to walk more than a few feet from their parking spots. They want less sidewalks and landscaping, and more parking.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earmarking, it's not just for federal politicians anymore.

This is some truly awful political theater.  McCollum is attempting to extract political rents from Pawlenty in the form of support for widespread congressional pork-barreling.

For his part, Pawlenty is being two-faced by using his spokesperson to condemn earmarks while simultaneously seeking them out.  He cannot argue that the projects he seeks federal earmarks for are "merit-based" while also attempting to circumvent the evaluation process.

The congressional Democrats are right to argue that the Republicans were profligate earmarkers during their 12-year run, but at the same time they have done nothing to curtail this practice, despite much hot air during the 2006 elections.  Any claims from McCollum or Ellison about "accountability" ring hollow.

BarryS, you're probably right that McCain wouldn't veto every bill containing earmarks, but that does not need to be the standard.  Any movement in the opposite direction that Congress is currently heading would represent an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earmarking, it&#8217;s not just for federal politicians anymore.</p>
<p>This is some truly awful political theater.  McCollum is attempting to extract political rents from Pawlenty in the form of support for widespread congressional pork-barreling.</p>
<p>For his part, Pawlenty is being two-faced by using his spokesperson to condemn earmarks while simultaneously seeking them out.  He cannot argue that the projects he seeks federal earmarks for are &#8220;merit-based&#8221; while also attempting to circumvent the evaluation process.</p>
<p>The congressional Democrats are right to argue that the Republicans were profligate earmarkers during their 12-year run, but at the same time they have done nothing to curtail this practice, despite much hot air during the 2006 elections.  Any claims from McCollum or Ellison about &#8220;accountability&#8221; ring hollow.</p>
<p>BarryS, you&#8217;re probably right that McCain wouldn&#8217;t veto every bill containing earmarks, but that does not need to be the standard.  Any movement in the opposite direction that Congress is currently heading would represent an improvement.</p>
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