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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Who&#8217;s more annoying?&#8217; &#8212; scenic highway version</title>
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		<title>By: JES</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14360</link>
		<dc:creator>JES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14360</guid>
		<description>Ummm, who took the picture? I sure hope Roadguy didn't do that while he was also driving? That's even scarier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, who took the picture? I sure hope Roadguy didn&#8217;t do that while he was also driving? That&#8217;s even scarier!</p>
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		<title>By: Elydog</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14276</link>
		<dc:creator>Elydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car #2 should pass.  If they can't they should back off.  Driving at or near the speed limit is not illegal.  If #1 feels like pulling over, they can, but they dont' have to.  Perhaps they are pissed.  Perhaps they are laughing at #2 and #3.

Speed is actually the greatest cause of the slaughter on the highways.  As Canned Heat used to say, "Speed Kills." Although that was a song about "Amphetamine Annie."  Maybe speed kills ... twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Car #2 should pass.  If they can&#8217;t they should back off.  Driving at or near the speed limit is not illegal.  If #1 feels like pulling over, they can, but they dont&#8217; have to.  Perhaps they are pissed.  Perhaps they are laughing at #2 and #3.</p>
<p>Speed is actually the greatest cause of the slaughter on the highways.  As Canned Heat used to say, &#8220;Speed Kills.&#8221; Although that was a song about &#8220;Amphetamine Annie.&#8221;  Maybe speed kills &#8230; twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14269</link>
		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14269</guid>
		<description>I thought RG might have piped in by now for clarification. Another clue that he's probably in Sconi: the bluffs look like they're on the right, so the river would be to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought RG might have piped in by now for clarification. Another clue that he&#8217;s probably in Sconi: the bluffs look like they&#8217;re on the right, so the river would be to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Froggie</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14268</link>
		<dc:creator>Froggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14268</guid>
		<description>I missed the part about Prescott earlier, so it may well have been WI 35.  I just don't remember shoulders on WI 35, though admittedly it's been several years since I was last on it north of La Crosse...

As for your other pet peeve, that's a common sight down here in the Deep South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the part about Prescott earlier, so it may well have been WI 35.  I just don&#8217;t remember shoulders on WI 35, though admittedly it&#8217;s been several years since I was last on it north of La Crosse&#8230;</p>
<p>As for your other pet peeve, that&#8217;s a common sight down here in the Deep South.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14264</link>
		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14264</guid>
		<description>Another peeve of mine: drivers who easily catch you on two-lane roads--and then sit on your bumper instead of passing, even when they've got a clear view of the opposing lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another peeve of mine: drivers who easily catch you on two-lane roads&#8211;and then sit on your bumper instead of passing, even when they&#8217;ve got a clear view of the opposing lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14262</link>
		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14262</guid>
		<description>You could be right, Froggie. I am assuming it's on the Sconi side of the river because otherwise RG would have had no reason to go thru Prescott on his way back to Mpls, unless he was tending to other business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could be right, Froggie. I am assuming it&#8217;s on the Sconi side of the river because otherwise RG would have had no reason to go thru Prescott on his way back to Mpls, unless he was tending to other business.</p>
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		<title>By: Stöber</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14261</link>
		<dc:creator>Stöber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14261</guid>
		<description>Pete says:

June 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm 

I would concede that the “…in compliance with the law…” statute would be interpreted to mean driving the speed limit, but hardly 10mph under it. Assuming car #1 was actually driving below the speed limit, it was guilty of impeding traffic.  And yes, that includes driving 1mph below the limit.
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Once again I reiterate to you "reasonable" and "normal".  Your argument has many flaws.  So many flaws that I do not have time to address them all.  Driving 1 mph below the speed limit is not "unreasonable" or "unnormal".   No one who is a professional (judge or officer) is going to enforce such an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete says:</p>
<p>June 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm </p>
<p>I would concede that the “…in compliance with the law…” statute would be interpreted to mean driving the speed limit, but hardly 10mph under it. Assuming car #1 was actually driving below the speed limit, it was guilty of impeding traffic.  And yes, that includes driving 1mph below the limit.<br />
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<p>Once again I reiterate to you &#8220;reasonable&#8221; and &#8220;normal&#8221;.  Your argument has many flaws.  So many flaws that I do not have time to address them all.  Driving 1 mph below the speed limit is not &#8220;unreasonable&#8221; or &#8220;unnormal&#8221;.   No one who is a professional (judge or officer) is going to enforce such an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Stöber</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14260</link>
		<dc:creator>Stöber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof S says:

So - impeding traffic by varying your speed while under the speed limit (i.e. not necessary for being in compliance with law, since you could go faster and still be within the law) is illegal.
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You made this part up.  This is not in my traffic code book.  This is your interpretation and unless you are a judge or a legislator I guess you are going to have to live with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof S says:</p>
<p>So - impeding traffic by varying your speed while under the speed limit (i.e. not necessary for being in compliance with law, since you could go faster and still be within the law) is illegal.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>You made this part up.  This is not in my traffic code book.  This is your interpretation and unless you are a judge or a legislator I guess you are going to have to live with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stöber</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14259</link>
		<dc:creator>Stöber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14259</guid>
		<description>Prof. S. says:

June 13th, 2008 at 8:03 am 

Umm… Stober - look again:

Minn. Stat. s. 169.15
No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law or except when the vehicle is temporarily unable to maintain a greater speed due to a combination of the weight of the vehicle and the grade of the highway.

So - impeding traffic by varying your speed while under the speed limit (i.e. not necessary for being in compliance with law, since you could go faster and still be within the law) is illegal.
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Ummm, No, once again.  Driving below the speed limit is not illegal even if you are adjusting speeds.  Look it up.  Key words here are "reasonable" and "normal".  This law can be argued so many different ways that it would make your head spin.  Ultimately it is left to the OFFICER to interpret was is "reasonable" and "normal".  Most freeways have a minimum and maximum speed.  You can fluctuate as much as you want on these road as long as you stay within the limits.  On a highway there are minimum speeds usually, but they are typically not posted, so you would have to research what the exact rules are in each situation.  Yes, I will say a car driving 20 mph in a 55 mph zone or a bicycle taking up a lane of traffic and not letting traffic pass, this would be a clear example of impeding traffic.  More often than not in my experiences as an officer it is the idiots who are tailgating and speeding and trying to drive aggressive that have caused the majority of the problems.  Car #1 as Roadguy has described by his actions has done absolutely nothing unlawful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. S. says:</p>
<p>June 13th, 2008 at 8:03 am </p>
<p>Umm… Stober - look again:</p>
<p>Minn. Stat. s. 169.15<br />
No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law or except when the vehicle is temporarily unable to maintain a greater speed due to a combination of the weight of the vehicle and the grade of the highway.</p>
<p>So - impeding traffic by varying your speed while under the speed limit (i.e. not necessary for being in compliance with law, since you could go faster and still be within the law) is illegal.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Ummm, No, once again.  Driving below the speed limit is not illegal even if you are adjusting speeds.  Look it up.  Key words here are &#8220;reasonable&#8221; and &#8220;normal&#8221;.  This law can be argued so many different ways that it would make your head spin.  Ultimately it is left to the OFFICER to interpret was is &#8220;reasonable&#8221; and &#8220;normal&#8221;.  Most freeways have a minimum and maximum speed.  You can fluctuate as much as you want on these road as long as you stay within the limits.  On a highway there are minimum speeds usually, but they are typically not posted, so you would have to research what the exact rules are in each situation.  Yes, I will say a car driving 20 mph in a 55 mph zone or a bicycle taking up a lane of traffic and not letting traffic pass, this would be a clear example of impeding traffic.  More often than not in my experiences as an officer it is the idiots who are tailgating and speeding and trying to drive aggressive that have caused the majority of the problems.  Car #1 as Roadguy has described by his actions has done absolutely nothing unlawful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/12/whos-more-annoying-scenic-highway-version/#comment-14258</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the many different views, I contend, "common sense is relative".  Therefore, the laws must prevail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the many different views, I contend, &#8220;common sense is relative&#8221;.  Therefore, the laws must prevail.</p>
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