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	<title>Comments on: Which city has the greenest drivers? Minneapolis? St. Paul? Fargo?</title>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More useless lists from Men's Health Magazine.

What exactly are they trying to measure?  As silly a concept as "green drivers" is, my intuition is that, were someone to measure it, it would have to represent a measure of pollution per unit of output (e.g. vehicle-miles).

Instead, the list dances around the issue and into unrelated matters such as mass transit use.

Hence the nonsensical list that results.  The only discernable pattern is that cities that rank as "green" are either small urban areas, college towns, or both.

If the point was really to measure their "carbon footprints", then the analysis would have to be expanded to non-transportation sources.  Doing so, as a Brookings Institution report recently did, results in much different results.  Texas cities don't fare nearly as poorly, as they use lower-carbon fuels for electric power generation.  Also, Lexington, KY would fall from the top quintile to near the bottom.

I'll promise to stop telling Men's Health how to do a push-up if they promise to stop putting out lists like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More useless lists from Men&#8217;s Health Magazine.</p>
<p>What exactly are they trying to measure?  As silly a concept as &#8220;green drivers&#8221; is, my intuition is that, were someone to measure it, it would have to represent a measure of pollution per unit of output (e.g. vehicle-miles).</p>
<p>Instead, the list dances around the issue and into unrelated matters such as mass transit use.</p>
<p>Hence the nonsensical list that results.  The only discernable pattern is that cities that rank as &#8220;green&#8221; are either small urban areas, college towns, or both.</p>
<p>If the point was really to measure their &#8220;carbon footprints&#8221;, then the analysis would have to be expanded to non-transportation sources.  Doing so, as a Brookings Institution report recently did, results in much different results.  Texas cities don&#8217;t fare nearly as poorly, as they use lower-carbon fuels for electric power generation.  Also, Lexington, KY would fall from the top quintile to near the bottom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll promise to stop telling Men&#8217;s Health how to do a push-up if they promise to stop putting out lists like these.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. S.</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2008/06/25/which-city-has-the-greenest-drivers-minneapolis-st-paul-fargo/#comment-14522</link>
		<dc:creator>Prof. S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Touche.  Maybe it was the only state capital with 4 major freeways.  I know that it's a bid deal for the city, and is why they call themselves the Crossroads of America.  Odd thing to brag about, but it's either that or the track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David - Touche.  Maybe it was the only state capital with 4 major freeways.  I know that it&#8217;s a bid deal for the city, and is why they call themselves the Crossroads of America.  Odd thing to brag about, but it&#8217;s either that or the track.</p>
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		<title>By: Elydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas is at the bottom of nearly every statistical survey of quality of life. They show up at the bottom of this one too. 

Is there anything they can do well, besides blow hard, execute people and specialize in eating lots of meat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas is at the bottom of nearly every statistical survey of quality of life. They show up at the bottom of this one too. </p>
<p>Is there anything they can do well, besides blow hard, execute people and specialize in eating lots of meat?</p>
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		<title>By: JACC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought for sure Emerald City would make the top 100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought for sure Emerald City would make the top 100.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. S. wrote:

I spent a few years living in or out of (I was traveling quite a bit) Indianapolis. The city has 4 major freeways running through it (the only such city in America).

I think the good folks of Chicago (I-94, I-90, I-80, I-55) would disagree.  Not to mention the spurs, beltways and major U.S. highways going through there.</description>
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<p>I spent a few years living in or out of (I was traveling quite a bit) Indianapolis. The city has 4 major freeways running through it (the only such city in America).</p>
<p>I think the good folks of Chicago (I-94, I-90, I-80, I-55) would disagree.  Not to mention the spurs, beltways and major U.S. highways going through there.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Mountain Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Mountain Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, in fitting with my moniker, a great big Huzzah! to Burlington.  We ain't the "Green" Mountain State for nothing!  Of course, it doesn't hurt that it is a one county, 200,000 metro, or that the city is only 39,000 and only takes up 15 square miles.  But still!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, in fitting with my moniker, a great big Huzzah! to Burlington.  We ain&#8217;t the &#8220;Green&#8221; Mountain State for nothing!  Of course, it doesn&#8217;t hurt that it is a one county, 200,000 metro, or that the city is only 39,000 and only takes up 15 square miles.  But still!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Texas is a bad one, go figure. They still argue global warming I'm guessing, and probably held out until the end on the idea that the world wasn't flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Texas is a bad one, go figure. They still argue global warming I&#8217;m guessing, and probably held out until the end on the idea that the world wasn&#8217;t flat.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have more wealth you can drive greener, keep that in mind. The wait on a Toyota Prius right now in Golden Valley is 10 months, but in Maplewood it's only 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have more wealth you can drive greener, keep that in mind. The wait on a Toyota Prius right now in Golden Valley is 10 months, but in Maplewood it&#8217;s only 4.</p>
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		<title>By: dc1515</title>
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		<dc:creator>dc1515</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green Mountain Boy, I do not buy you're "prevailing winds theory" but I will agree that Minneapolis transit is oriented to get people to downtown. I live in south Minneapolis and work in Minnetonka, like you I would have a 1.5-2 hour ride, each way with 2 transfers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green Mountain Boy, I do not buy you&#8217;re &#8220;prevailing winds theory&#8221; but I will agree that Minneapolis transit is oriented to get people to downtown. I live in south Minneapolis and work in Minnetonka, like you I would have a 1.5-2 hour ride, each way with 2 transfers.</p>
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		<title>By: Roadguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roadguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops -- I had fixed several other typos in the release but missed the Memphis one. I've now gone out on a limb by assuming that they meant Tennessee, not Minnesota (or Egypt)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8212; I had fixed several other typos in the release but missed the Memphis one. I&#8217;ve now gone out on a limb by assuming that they meant Tennessee, not Minnesota (or Egypt)!</p>
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