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	<title>Comments on: License-plate renewals without limits; plus, how far to Twin Cities?</title>
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		<title>By: cosmic</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17194</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The renewal on my old Toyota is due and it is $41.25.

The biggest problem driving a small car is people driving vehicles like Range Rovers. They can't seem to see me because their vision is blocked by iPhones. I can't understand why the owners of $80000+ vehicles can't afford a $20 bluetooth device. And then they complain about the tax, which can easily be known before a vehicle is purchased.

And my old Toyota, which has over a quarter million miles, will still be running long after the Range Rover has been sent to the crusher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The renewal on my old Toyota is due and it is $41.25.</p>
<p>The biggest problem driving a small car is people driving vehicles like Range Rovers. They can&#8217;t seem to see me because their vision is blocked by iPhones. I can&#8217;t understand why the owners of $80000+ vehicles can&#8217;t afford a $20 bluetooth device. And then they complain about the tax, which can easily be known before a vehicle is purchased.</p>
<p>And my old Toyota, which has over a quarter million miles, will still be running long after the Range Rover has been sent to the crusher.</p>
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		<title>By: bsimon</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17178</link>
		<dc:creator>bsimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigg Robb writes
"Putting the vehicle weight and size issue aside, like vehicles put the same wear and tear on roads, regardless of their mpg. So with the current system, a person who has a car that gets a higher mpg is already getting a substantial tax break because they are not paying an equal tax for the same miles driven."

How can you 'put vehicle weight and size' aside when discussing MPG?  The largest factors in determining MPG are ... weight and size.  Heavier &#38; larger vehicles are less efficient than smaller, lighter vehicles.  Less efficient means it takes more fuel to travel the same distance - which means they're paying more taxes for road maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigg Robb writes<br />
&#8220;Putting the vehicle weight and size issue aside, like vehicles put the same wear and tear on roads, regardless of their mpg. So with the current system, a person who has a car that gets a higher mpg is already getting a substantial tax break because they are not paying an equal tax for the same miles driven.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can you &#8216;put vehicle weight and size&#8217; aside when discussing MPG?  The largest factors in determining MPG are &#8230; weight and size.  Heavier &amp; larger vehicles are less efficient than smaller, lighter vehicles.  Less efficient means it takes more fuel to travel the same distance - which means they&#8217;re paying more taxes for road maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy B</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17165</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Disco I-90/I-94 from Wisconsin would say St. Paul more frequently as that is the city you "hit" first using that route.  From Duluth is another matter as I-35 splits into I-35E and I-35W just south of Forest Lake, which is why I felt Twin Cities was appropriate until one got to Forest Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Disco I-90/I-94 from Wisconsin would say St. Paul more frequently as that is the city you &#8220;hit&#8221; first using that route.  From Duluth is another matter as I-35 splits into I-35E and I-35W just south of Forest Lake, which is why I felt Twin Cities was appropriate until one got to Forest Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: JDS</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17164</link>
		<dc:creator>JDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$800 dollars is outrageous.  It is interesting that as I have lived in different states, each have different mentalities in terms of how these decide to fund transportation projects.

Our neighbors to the east(Wisconsin) have a gas tax that is 7 cents and was 12 cents higher than ours for many years before the recent increase.  In return Wisconsin's tab fees are very low.  When I lived there I paid less than $50 for a year old car.  The positives that come out of it are that instead of Wisconsin residents taking the full brunt of funding transportation, they share paying for highway improvements with those who travel through the state.  For Wisconsin the benefits are huge as those from Minnesota and Illinois travel through frequently.

Iowa recently discussed raising their tab fees and then realized it is better to raise the gas tax as the many who travel across the state, especially on 80 and 35, would contribute if they funded highway improvements through the gas tax.

When I moved to Minnesota and watched people battle to the bitter end an increase in the gas tax, it made me wonder why they were not battling the tab increases.  I would rather pay a few cents higher in the gas tax in return for having tab fees less than $50 as in Wisconsin.  Although now I hear it's more around $75 as the Wisconsin governor has taken money from tab fees to balance the budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$800 dollars is outrageous.  It is interesting that as I have lived in different states, each have different mentalities in terms of how these decide to fund transportation projects.</p>
<p>Our neighbors to the east(Wisconsin) have a gas tax that is 7 cents and was 12 cents higher than ours for many years before the recent increase.  In return Wisconsin&#8217;s tab fees are very low.  When I lived there I paid less than $50 for a year old car.  The positives that come out of it are that instead of Wisconsin residents taking the full brunt of funding transportation, they share paying for highway improvements with those who travel through the state.  For Wisconsin the benefits are huge as those from Minnesota and Illinois travel through frequently.</p>
<p>Iowa recently discussed raising their tab fees and then realized it is better to raise the gas tax as the many who travel across the state, especially on 80 and 35, would contribute if they funded highway improvements through the gas tax.</p>
<p>When I moved to Minnesota and watched people battle to the bitter end an increase in the gas tax, it made me wonder why they were not battling the tab increases.  I would rather pay a few cents higher in the gas tax in return for having tab fees less than $50 as in Wisconsin.  Although now I hear it&#8217;s more around $75 as the Wisconsin governor has taken money from tab fees to balance the budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17163</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@manny - quick easy check for the VIN - the insurance card you (should) carry with you. Mine has the VIN printed on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manny - quick easy check for the VIN - the insurance card you (should) carry with you. Mine has the VIN printed on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Suz</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17160</link>
		<dc:creator>Suz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JuliedP - That will never happen. They'll want to charge more because people whose cars get high mpg don't pay as much gas tax as those who have gas guzzlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JuliedP - That will never happen. They&#8217;ll want to charge more because people whose cars get high mpg don&#8217;t pay as much gas tax as those who have gas guzzlers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigg Robb</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17159</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigg Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the idea that people who drive vehicles with high mpg should get a discount on license fees.

That is illogical.  People who drive more efficient vehicles are already not paying a fair portion of taxes.  New roads and maintenance to existing ones costs everyone in Minnesota.  Much of this money is recouped through the gasoline tax.  Putting the vehicle weight and size issue aside, like vehicles put the same wear and tear on roads, regardless of their mpg.  So with the current system, a person who has a car that gets a higher mpg is already getting a substantial tax break because they are not paying an equal tax for the same miles driven.

The system is clearly flawed and paying $800 for tabs is absolutely ridiculous.  But to give an additional tax break to the people who already don't pay their share is ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the idea that people who drive vehicles with high mpg should get a discount on license fees.</p>
<p>That is illogical.  People who drive more efficient vehicles are already not paying a fair portion of taxes.  New roads and maintenance to existing ones costs everyone in Minnesota.  Much of this money is recouped through the gasoline tax.  Putting the vehicle weight and size issue aside, like vehicles put the same wear and tear on roads, regardless of their mpg.  So with the current system, a person who has a car that gets a higher mpg is already getting a substantial tax break because they are not paying an equal tax for the same miles driven.</p>
<p>The system is clearly flawed and paying $800 for tabs is absolutely ridiculous.  But to give an additional tax break to the people who already don&#8217;t pay their share is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/roadguy/2009/06/29/license-plate-renewals-without-limits-plus-how-far-to-twin-cities/#comment-17158</link>
		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried to check on the cost for my tabs this year and was unable to do so, not only do I need to know the LP # but the last three digits of the VIN#. Anyone else find a way to check out the new cost? Remember my VIN#, come on, I don't remember my birthdate some days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried to check on the cost for my tabs this year and was unable to do so, not only do I need to know the LP # but the last three digits of the VIN#. Anyone else find a way to check out the new cost? Remember my VIN#, come on, I don&#8217;t remember my birthdate some days.</p>
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		<title>By: Disco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been on the entire length of I-90/94 thru Wisconsin, and there isn't a single sign that reads "Twin Cities."  Most are "St Paul" with a few "Minneapolis."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on the entire length of I-90/94 thru Wisconsin, and there isn&#8217;t a single sign that reads &#8220;Twin Cities.&#8221;  Most are &#8220;St Paul&#8221; with a few &#8220;Minneapolis.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Morg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always knew the mileage figures were to the central city, but the Grand Ave. exit on 35E being the middle ground seems an odd choice. Isn't that basically downtown St. Paul? Why not have the midpoint somewhere on I94? I guess it's a moot point as they are phasing theme out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always knew the mileage figures were to the central city, but the Grand Ave. exit on 35E being the middle ground seems an odd choice. Isn&#8217;t that basically downtown St. Paul? Why not have the midpoint somewhere on I94? I guess it&#8217;s a moot point as they are phasing theme out.</p>
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