The David Ortiz argument is hindsight at its best. He wasn’t productive, and was constnatly injured with the Twins. The Red Sox took a big chance signing him on the cheap and it worked out.

If it had been the reverse, and the Twins had signed a cheapie “broken” Ortiz from the Red Sox it would’ve been treated like the White, Batista, Lamb, Ortiz, Ponson…etc signings.

Then he would’ve succeeded (or not, who knows) and everybody would’ve totally forgotten it.

Using your powers of projection, then Delmon Young won’t hit a homer all year, the Tigers will finish dead last in the division, etc….

There’s legitimatly being negative, and then there’s looking for things to complain about.

The hitting struggled before Vavra got here, and it’s continuing to struggle after he was hired.

Vavra didn’t break anything, but he sure isn’t fixing anything.

But here’s the other funny thing, the Twins have been shut out three times, but they’ve also scored 6 or more runs 4 times. (12 once and 9 another even) yet I don’t see anybody projecting that stat for any sort of biased argument.

That’s the problem I’ve got. It’s the players excellence when they succeed, but Vavra’s fault when they fail.

Meanwhile if a pitcher struggles it’s all his fault, while a successful outing can be attributed to the teflon-coated Rick Anderson. (I didn’t notice anybody calling for his head when the bullpen blew three leads on that last road trip).

It’s not the Vavra-bashing specifically. It’s the inconsistency of the fan base that gets me.

Tell me about 2006 again and how Vavra was the man… the guru, the genius, and how I’m just complaining to read myself type!

I’m negative I admit that, but I’m also right a lot more than I’ll ever get credit for because no one likes to hear that they are wrong.

Being a homer is cute if your last name is Simpson, or your team is the Yankees. Being a Homer in Minnesota doesn’t say a whole lot. We have 40-60% of the Timberwolves fans that don’t think we should get rid of Kevin McHale, or Randy Wittman, and apparently 91% of the people that voted in the Vikings move today think it’s the greatest move the team has ever made. With the Wild, they didn’t choke, we’ll get em next year. Joe Mauer isn’t a great defensive version of Brian Harper… he’s the second coming of Christ. It’s not McHale, Taylor, or Wittman’s fault… it was Kevin Garnett’s fault. It wasn’t the Vikings Quarterback’s fault, it was Randy Moss’ fault… It wasn’t Brad Childress’ fault for the Team not making the playoffs the last two years after we made it with Mike Tice whom most people thought was stupid… it’s the scheduler’s fault… they have Joe Vavra’s 2nd cousin twice removed Darrel Bevil as an offensive Coordinator.

It’s not Randy Wittman’s fault that Jefferson averaged 1.3 assists a game this year… It’s the players’ fault.

Joe Vavra isn’t a lousy hitting coach… it’s all 12 offensive players that suck in 2007 and 2008… plus all the minor leaguers too!

So you have my apologies T. I was wrong. I see the error of my ways. I’m just bitching and complaining for no reason at all.

But the one thing that I will admit to… I’m a Minnesota Masochist because I still love my teams despite the people that run them, and the morons that coach them.

or Manny plus Lowell plus Youkilis plus Varitek plus Ortiz (or replacement) plus
Drew.

Money is part of it but its more than money. Its organizational philosophy. The Twins could have singed Ortiz for less money per year than what they singed Punto for. That resulted getting in the 2003 ALDS with Matt LeCroy as the DH. Not money, just incompetence…