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	<title>Comments on: The Twins and Cleveland: misery loves company</title>
	<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/</link>
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		<title>By: BC Beneke</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12786</link>
		<dc:creator>BC Beneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12786</guid>
		<description>I am also going to over-state the obvious one more time.  Joe Vavra, and the hitting coaches throughout the organization need to be fired, and we need to change the philosophy.  You think I'm crazy because Morneau won an MVP 2 years ago, and Mauer won a batting title. blah-bity blah blah.  The numbers don't lie.  This organization is not bringing enough talent through.  We have 31 A to C- level pitching prospects, but Hicks becomes our number 3-4 offensive prospect in the minors the day he signs, and the say he plays his first game he becomes number 1.  How sad is that?

A list of the tallent that is failing for the twins in the minors right now...

AAA - Jason Pridie last year out of the organization 32D, 11T, 14HRs, 66RBI, with 26 steals.  This year... he is doing his best Nick Punto circa 2007.

AA - Winfree, Moses, (the amazing .289 hitting Derick Martin and the .194 hitting Dru Butera = so much better than Castillo!)

A+ - Whitney Robins a DH with 2 homers, Ramos was supposed to be a hitting prospect, 

A - Joe Benson and Chris Parmalee 

AAA - Fire Ingrim, AA - Floyd Rayford GONE! A+ - Jim Dwyer - goodbye, A - Rudy Hernandez (who the sam hell is Rudy Hernandez?  MLB.com didn't even know anything about him.  A reletive of Vavra it seems?)  Fire Joe Vavra take his uniform and burn it at home plate, and pray that the baseball gods allow the twins to at least hit some doubles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also going to over-state the obvious one more time.  Joe Vavra, and the hitting coaches throughout the organization need to be fired, and we need to change the philosophy.  You think I&#8217;m crazy because Morneau won an MVP 2 years ago, and Mauer won a batting title. blah-bity blah blah.  The numbers don&#8217;t lie.  This organization is not bringing enough talent through.  We have 31 A to C- level pitching prospects, but Hicks becomes our number 3-4 offensive prospect in the minors the day he signs, and the say he plays his first game he becomes number 1.  How sad is that?</p>
<p>A list of the tallent that is failing for the twins in the minors right now&#8230;</p>
<p>AAA - Jason Pridie last year out of the organization 32D, 11T, 14HRs, 66RBI, with 26 steals.  This year&#8230; he is doing his best Nick Punto circa 2007.</p>
<p>AA - Winfree, Moses, (the amazing .289 hitting Derick Martin and the .194 hitting Dru Butera = so much better than Castillo!)</p>
<p>A+ - Whitney Robins a DH with 2 homers, Ramos was supposed to be a hitting prospect, </p>
<p>A - Joe Benson and Chris Parmalee </p>
<p>AAA - Fire Ingrim, AA - Floyd Rayford GONE! A+ - Jim Dwyer - goodbye, A - Rudy Hernandez (who the sam hell is Rudy Hernandez?  MLB.com didn&#8217;t even know anything about him.  A reletive of Vavra it seems?)  Fire Joe Vavra take his uniform and burn it at home plate, and pray that the baseball gods allow the twins to at least hit some doubles.</p>
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		<title>By: BC Beneke</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12785</link>
		<dc:creator>BC Beneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12785</guid>
		<description>I kind of think the Twins need a mysterious injury for Livan Hernandez.  Put him on the shelf for a while, then dust him off right before the trade deadline give him two starts and if he pitches well maybe he has some value to a contender in the NL?

I also would designate Bass for assignment and bring up Danny Graves.  Either as a starter or a reliever, and audition him around the major leagues as he has a track record, and a name... so if his arm is healthy...  maybe we could pull a deal with the Yankees who think they are still in it, and we could get Hillgoss or Wordekemper, possibly both?  An Aball C- prospect, and Wordekemper a AA closer that no one else has heard of.

Monroe, should be getting atbats to see if we can trade him, or have to eat his contract.

Lamb should be looked at as trade bait to a team like the Dodgers who could use a backup 3rd baseman with so many injuries.  I don't think we could get more than a Dru Butera kind of piece of crap for him, but it's still 6 million less.

This team could be a .500 team this year which is amazing in and of itself, but that's one of those close only counts in horse shoes and handgrenades senerios.  Moral victories are for high school teams.

They started this season way better than I ever expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of think the Twins need a mysterious injury for Livan Hernandez.  Put him on the shelf for a while, then dust him off right before the trade deadline give him two starts and if he pitches well maybe he has some value to a contender in the NL?</p>
<p>I also would designate Bass for assignment and bring up Danny Graves.  Either as a starter or a reliever, and audition him around the major leagues as he has a track record, and a name&#8230; so if his arm is healthy&#8230;  maybe we could pull a deal with the Yankees who think they are still in it, and we could get Hillgoss or Wordekemper, possibly both?  An Aball C- prospect, and Wordekemper a AA closer that no one else has heard of.</p>
<p>Monroe, should be getting atbats to see if we can trade him, or have to eat his contract.</p>
<p>Lamb should be looked at as trade bait to a team like the Dodgers who could use a backup 3rd baseman with so many injuries.  I don&#8217;t think we could get more than a Dru Butera kind of piece of crap for him, but it&#8217;s still 6 million less.</p>
<p>This team could be a .500 team this year which is amazing in and of itself, but that&#8217;s one of those close only counts in horse shoes and handgrenades senerios.  Moral victories are for high school teams.</p>
<p>They started this season way better than I ever expected.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12784</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12784</guid>
		<description>jimbo,
That sounds like a plan.
I'm in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jimbo,<br />
That sounds like a plan.<br />
I&#8217;m in!</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12783</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12783</guid>
		<description>i think boof bonser needs a long trial as a middle to late reliever who may pitch two inning he may be the kind of guy that needs to air it out and i think he could succeed with that nasty curve ball he has if he can get it over the plate regularly, my fantasy is that he fills an important role coming in the fifth sixth or seventh inning of a game that is still winnable and can at times dominate with the fastball and particularly his curveball, couple of innings max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think boof bonser needs a long trial as a middle to late reliever who may pitch two inning he may be the kind of guy that needs to air it out and i think he could succeed with that nasty curve ball he has if he can get it over the plate regularly, my fantasy is that he fills an important role coming in the fifth sixth or seventh inning of a game that is still winnable and can at times dominate with the fastball and particularly his curveball, couple of innings max</p>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12782</link>
		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12782</guid>
		<description>sane,
told ya ;)

the best place for draft info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sane,<br />
told ya <img src='http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>the best place for draft info</p>
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		<title>By: sane</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12781</link>
		<dc:creator>sane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/06/12/misery-loves-company-the-baseball-edition/#comment-12781</guid>
		<description>thrylos98,
Ask and we shall receive.
The Baseball America draft database has indicated nine signed Twins draftees as of today.
Maybe I have friends in high places.
Or maybe June 12 is the magic day.
Or maybe nothing…..

That website is:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2008team.php?team=1023</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thrylos98,<br />
Ask and we shall receive.<br />
The Baseball America draft database has indicated nine signed Twins draftees as of today.<br />
Maybe I have friends in high places.<br />
Or maybe June 12 is the magic day.<br />
Or maybe nothing…..</p>
<p>That website is:<br />
<a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2008team.php?team=1023" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/2008team.php?team=1023</a></p>
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