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	<title>Comments on: The meaning(lessness) of it all?</title>
	<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/</link>
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		<title>By: shameless</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23238</link>
		<dc:creator>shameless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23238</guid>
		<description>no doubt lincicum should have gotten the NL cy young.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no doubt lincicum should have gotten the NL cy young.</p>
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		<title>By: Capcom67</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23237</link>
		<dc:creator>Capcom67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23237</guid>
		<description>Can I get a "You were right" post from the writers at the Star Tribune, a Common Man "I'm Sorry" type article regarding the Coin Flip controversy?

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/34051374.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

After the Twins were eliminated by the White Sox, fans everywhere began to gripe about the coin flip that forced the Twins to play the White Sox in Chicago - even though the Twins won the season series 10-8. Every writer and broadcaster told the fans to shove-it, stop whining, "that's the system and it won't change because...etc. etc." 

Well, it seems the fans had a point - the coin flip needs to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I get a &#8220;You were right&#8221; post from the writers at the Star Tribune, a Common Man &#8220;I&#8217;m Sorry&#8221; type article regarding the Coin Flip controversy?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/34051374.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/34051374.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUqCP:iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU</a></p>
<p>After the Twins were eliminated by the White Sox, fans everywhere began to gripe about the coin flip that forced the Twins to play the White Sox in Chicago - even though the Twins won the season series 10-8. Every writer and broadcaster told the fans to shove-it, stop whining, &#8220;that&#8217;s the system and it won&#8217;t change because&#8230;etc. etc.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, it seems the fans had a point - the coin flip needs to go.</p>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23236</link>
		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23236</guid>
		<description>&lt;I&gt;understating the effects of defense &lt;/I&gt;

Defense has 2 factors:

a. accuracy - reflected by Errors.  Errors do not count on WHIP, so that is out.

b. range - let's use the plus minus system for this to understand the impact:

in 2008 the best defender in baseball as far as plus-minus goes was Chace Utley with a total score of 49 (i.e. he made 49 plays the average player does not make). He made a total of 803 plays (340 POs and 463 assists) even if we assume that all those +49 plays took a hit away (which is a stretch, because some of those were to get the lead runner in a double play or fielder's choice, both of which do not take hits away from a pitcher's WHIP).  

49 is 6.1% of his total plays.  If you divide that by 5 starting pitchers you get 1.2%.

So the best defender in baseball saved 1.2% of the hits for a particular starting pitcher (stretch).  If you take the MLB average for 2008 pitchers 0.37 BB/Hits, 0.37 of a pitcher's WHIP is a factor of BB and 0.73 a factor of hits.  So the difference that the best ranging defender can potentially make on a pitcher's WHIP is 0.88%

With examples:  

Perkins' WHIP in 2008 was 1.470, in that theoretical best case scenario would have been 1.457

Let's go more extreme: here are the best plus minus numbers per position in 2008 (2B was Utley): 1B +24, 3B + 32, SS +23, LF +23, CF +32, P +16.
If you build a team with those people as defenders, the 0.88% difference above due to just Utley would become 3.6%

In other words, Perkins with the best defense in the MLB Universe of 2008 would have a WHIP of 1.417 instead of 1.457 (even with the best case scenario that all plus plays take hits away).  

Not much difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>understating the effects of defense </i></p>
<p>Defense has 2 factors:</p>
<p>a. accuracy - reflected by Errors.  Errors do not count on WHIP, so that is out.</p>
<p>b. range - let&#8217;s use the plus minus system for this to understand the impact:</p>
<p>in 2008 the best defender in baseball as far as plus-minus goes was Chace Utley with a total score of 49 (i.e. he made 49 plays the average player does not make). He made a total of 803 plays (340 POs and 463 assists) even if we assume that all those +49 plays took a hit away (which is a stretch, because some of those were to get the lead runner in a double play or fielder&#8217;s choice, both of which do not take hits away from a pitcher&#8217;s WHIP).  </p>
<p>49 is 6.1% of his total plays.  If you divide that by 5 starting pitchers you get 1.2%.</p>
<p>So the best defender in baseball saved 1.2% of the hits for a particular starting pitcher (stretch).  If you take the MLB average for 2008 pitchers 0.37 BB/Hits, 0.37 of a pitcher&#8217;s WHIP is a factor of BB and 0.73 a factor of hits.  So the difference that the best ranging defender can potentially make on a pitcher&#8217;s WHIP is 0.88%</p>
<p>With examples:  </p>
<p>Perkins&#8217; WHIP in 2008 was 1.470, in that theoretical best case scenario would have been 1.457</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go more extreme: here are the best plus minus numbers per position in 2008 (2B was Utley): 1B +24, 3B + 32, SS +23, LF +23, CF +32, P +16.<br />
If you build a team with those people as defenders, the 0.88% difference above due to just Utley would become 3.6%</p>
<p>In other words, Perkins with the best defense in the MLB Universe of 2008 would have a WHIP of 1.417 instead of 1.457 (even with the best case scenario that all plus plays take hits away).  </p>
<p>Not much difference</p>
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		<title>By: thisisbeth</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23235</link>
		<dc:creator>thisisbeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23235</guid>
		<description>I think I was disillusioned by the GG award in 2005.  Hunter won it, after being out 1/3 of the year with a broken ankle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I was disillusioned by the GG award in 2005.  Hunter won it, after being out 1/3 of the year with a broken ankle.</p>
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		<title>By: saam</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23234</link>
		<dc:creator>saam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"One could argue that hits might be effected by defense (i.e. if the defenders have better range one might have less hits) but they are also affected equally by managing (i.e. bringing the infield in and someone pops a Texas league single over 3B)"

I think you are understating the effects of defense and overstating the effects of management.  Either way, my point was that WHIP is not immune to factors that are beyond a pitcher's control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One could argue that hits might be effected by defense (i.e. if the defenders have better range one might have less hits) but they are also affected equally by managing (i.e. bringing the infield in and someone pops a Texas league single over 3B)&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are understating the effects of defense and overstating the effects of management.  Either way, my point was that WHIP is not immune to factors that are beyond a pitcher&#8217;s control.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
		<link>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23233</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/sinker/2008/11/07/the-meaninglessness-of-it-all/#comment-23233</guid>
		<description>All I have to say about the integrity of the gold glove award is that Rafael Palmeiro won one in 1999 despite playing about 35 games at 1b that year and all the rest of his games as DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say about the integrity of the gold glove award is that Rafael Palmeiro won one in 1999 despite playing about 35 games at 1b that year and all the rest of his games as DH.</p>
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