Fernandez close to being traded?
Posted on June 21st, 2007 – 5:35 PMBy Michael Russo
Indicatations here in Columbus tonight are that the Wild is close to making a trade after a long day on the phones for GM Doug Risebrough.
Risebrough said he would be “chained” to his hotel room tonight. This morning, Risebrough said there was nothing on the front burner, however, when reached a few hours ago, he indicated that has changed dramatically. He did not specify that Fernandez would be the guy moved, but that is the most logical assumption.
According to sources, the two teams hot after Fernandez are Boston and Phoenix. The Wild, one source says, has been offered “legitimate value.” The Wild likely would be looking to flip first-round picks and get a $2-3 million player in return.
Fernandez is undeniably the top goalie out there now that J-S Giguere re-signed with Anaheim.
Update: I’m hearing Boston. I’ve talked to two people with the Bruins. Entire staff is meeting at this hour, 7:45 pm ET. However, I was just told “five” teams still in it and no guarantees. Still sticking by the phone, laptop.
Last update of night: Nothing yet. Rumors are Boston might be looking at Toskala or Bryzgalov also. One big problem here is Bruins desperately want to discard Glen Murray, and that’s a $4 million tag the Wild doesn’t want.
Still, the fact it didn’t get done tonight doesn’t mean it definitely won’t. Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli didn’t get to Columbus until Thursday night because of the Claude Julien presser in Boston. So he met with his staff much of the evening, not only on trade stuff, but draft stuff. I was told he basically told Risebrough, “Let me call you tomorrow.”
Regardless, it’s clear the Wild feels it’s close to a deal with one of five teams.
Another thing I just heard from an impeccable source. Fernandez is not the top goalie available.
Nashville is calling around offering Tomas Vokoun. The Preds called Florida, and the Panthers were not interested, which means they’re not in the Fernandez game either. Looks like Ed Belfour will be back in Florida. The end game here is Florida wants to wait and see if Miikka Kiprusoff becomes available next season.
That’d be a shock unless Iron Mike Keenan runs Kipper out of Calgary. Of course, he did that to Roberto Luongo.
Nighty night.
549 Responses to "Fernandez close to being traded?"
Wow….does anyone think Fernandez will have a voice/say in the matter? I’d say no way. If I were Manny I’d take the Bruins for a few simple reasons.
A.) Claude Julien is a good coach.
B.) Orignal 6 franchise
C.) Closer to getting to the playoffs then the Desert Dogs
just MHO…..
Boston is also considerably close to Manny’s offseason home in Montreal, and it still has the potential to be a great hockey town, despite horrid ownership.
That said, though, Manny doesn’t have a no-trade clause, so he won’t have a choice in the matter. Phoenix has the #3 pick in the draft, and Boston has #8. That’s a significant difference in a year when most experts are saying that the talent level takes a significant dip after the top three.
By the way, for what it’s worth (and it’s usually not worth much,) the infamous Eklund over at HockeyBuzz is reporting that it’s Boston.
So it’s probably Phoenix.
What will we get in return, just a higher draft pick? Doesn’t seem like much, especially in this year’s draft.
And just because it’s draft day eve and I’m excited, I feel like stirring it up by speculating wildly (no pun intended) about what Minnesota might be getting back in a Manny trade.
If it is Boston, I assume their #8 pick would be in play, and then, what about bringing Minneapolis native Andrew Alberts back home? Big physical defenseman without a scoring touch, so Lemaire would love him. 6-4, 218, and 124 PIM last year.
If it’s Phoenix, I just can’t believe they’d be willing to give up the #2 pick in the draft. (Of course, they’ve done stupider things.) So what about a straight up swap - Manny for everyone’s favorite goon, Ed Jovanovski? (I know, Russo, I know. He makes $7 mil. But a guy can dream…)
Anyone else wanna take a stab?
I think Alberts might be the guy, if we get a player on the Boston roster. They aren’t gonna give up any of their centers (Savard, Bergeron, Kessel) for Manny. Our only other need is D, which Alberts would fill.
Alberts, #8 for Manny and our 1st rounder.
Andy Strickland, one of the bloggers on Hockeybuzz reports that Jason Blake would like to sign with the Wild and is probably looking for around $4 million per year. If the Wild are interested in signing him I could see Risebrough trading Fernandez for the Bruins’ 2nd rounder only (taking on no salary) and then taking a run at Blake.
Risebrough reported that he is going to try to do a swap… I hope its with Phoenix because 3rd overall pick wouldn’t be a bad pick or neither would the 8th overall pick… I mean what could we get from Phoenix or Boston for Manny Fernandez.
Kalus plus their #1. That is my best guess.
If Russo’s numbers are right (that DR is looking to swap first rounders and get a $2-$3 million player in return) then the players on Boston’s roster who fit the salary bill are Patrice Bergeron, Marco Sturm, and PJ Axelsson. Of those, my money would be on Axelsson, since I agree with Ryan P. that the Bruins are unlikely to give up Bergeron.
Aaron Ward might fit into that range as well and we could use a solid d-man.
I think we’ll get a player / lower round pick from Boston. Maybe somebody like Aaron Ward or Andrew Ference who are both a bit more physical on the blueline or more of a role player type guy and a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Sorry, I missed Ward. You’re right - he made $2.75m last year. He’s also 34, though, and hasn’t been very consistent the last couple of years.
I really don’t see DR settling for anything other than a first round pick. Goaltending is at an absolute premium in the league right now, and the Wild are in possession of the best available netminder. They’re dealing from a position of strength, and in a weak draft year, that’s easily enough to get a first rounder and a solid position player for Manny.
With it not being five teams with boston and Phoenix who are the other three teams now in the race
Sorry to say but we have a much better to go after in Toskala. Manny Fernandez would do nothing here but be a major headache. The Bruins giving the 8th pick for a guy who tells his team off is just another bad move.
The Bruins are starting over and starting fresh. The new coach is ready to take over some good players who didnt have a great system to work with last year.
No go on Fernandez.
Toskala better than Fernandez? Um, no. Manny is a proven if not spectacular #1 goalie, while Toskala is universally considered a solid #2. He’s been wildly inconsistent at times, and he’s undersized.
And it’s also time to put this Manny-as-clubhouse-cancer foolishness to rest. Manny has never been a problem in the locker room, according to everyone on the Wild. Yes, he has mood swings, but that’s completely normal for a goalie, especially one who’s been jerked around by his organization the way Manny has. He never told off his own team, unless you believe a certain PiPress article by a writer who has done nothing but savage Fernandez over the past couple of years.
All that being said, it doesn’t really matter. All indications are that Boston is actively going after Fernandez, not Toskala, so Claude’s “fresh start” may need to be recalibrated.
it isn’t just the Pioneer press that has documented manny’s behavior. Russo has done so and management has alluded to it.
But what has been “documented” has mainly been that after a bad start, Manny has sometimes been known to sulk and/or get in his own head. Again, par for the course for most goaltenders. The bottom line is that no one in the organization has ever accused him of disrupting the team, and given the kind of club DR and JL run, I can’t imagine they would have held onto him all these years if he was really a problem.
How spectacular is he? Didn’t Harding look better than him anyways? If anyhting needs recalibrating it’s his (Manny) attitude.
AS for him being a “#1 spectacular Goalie”…. how is it that a #1 Goalie loses his job to Backstrom or Harding?
As for his attitude…. when do “any” players ever say to the press that “this guy is a cancer”. No players say that.
The Bruins are better off with their 8th pick, or a much better deal than Manny Fernandez has to come around.
Not a good comparison. Harding looks better than everyone! He gets a shutout every 3rd start or something close to that effect.
I said “proven, if not spectacular.” He’s no Mikka Kiprusoff, and no one’s claiming he is. But he is the best available goalie at the moment, and your Bruins need something better than what they’ve got.
How did Manny lose his starting job? Claude, do you actually watch any hockey? He got injured at midseason, was slow to come back, and in the meantime Backstrom grabbed the starting job and wouldn’t let go. In fact, there was more than a little bit of talk when the Wild re-signed Backstrom that it was a calculated risk, since he’s only played a half-season. As for Harding, hopes are obviously high, but he’s only started a handful of games at this point. Had Manny been healthy, he would have been the #2 goaltender through season’s end.
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Most goalies who play in the “trap” system become “proven” goalies. Tim Thomas would have been one if he played there.
And if Fernandez came to Boston, he would have to realize we have agreat prospect in Tuukka Rask waitng in the wings. Then what happens…. Manny loses his job again to another great young goalie?? There go the mood swings again. Something the Bruins definatelt don’t need.
EXCUSE ME.
Manny did not lose his job to Backstrom.
He lost it to a knee injury.
Sam’s 6:56 PM comment is not that far off the mark. Just a little mis-guided. Manny for Jovo-cop? No. Jovo, although still one of the best when healthy, is coming off an injury-filled season. And, he is big-time spendy — just what the Wild don’t need right now.
Having said that, how about a ’sign-and-trade’ with Phoenix RFA Keith Ballard? The Great One signs Ballard, then trades him and Phoenix’s second round pick for Manny and our 2nd-rounder.
Yes, it’s nice to dream, but if you’re going to dream, dream for something worth dreaming for!
Russo: You really had anything BETTER to do than sit by the phone and laptop in Columbus, Ohio? In June?
Bergeron makes 4.5 Million if I remember correctly.
Trap? Hardly, not the past couple years.
How about
8th, Murray/Ward, 4th rounder
19th, Fernandez
Hmm. According to USA Today’s NHL salary database and the NHLPA’s numbers, Bergeron made $3 million in ‘06-’07. I believe his salary cap number may have been $4.75 million, but I don’t actually understand how that works. However, I’m pretty sure that this past season was the first of a five-year deal in which he’ll make a total of more than $23 million, so obviously, there are some big raises coming.
And the Bruins probably have no interest in trading him, anyway…
I think the Wild still trap, but no more than a lot of other teams. The elimination of the red line made it a less practical approach in many situations, anyway. But I agree with Ice Man that Manny didn’t benefit from the trap this year anymore than Roberto Luongo did in Vancouver. (Yes, the Canucks trap now, which is hilarious, given the endless bitching their beat writers and fans used to do about Lemaire having “ruined the game.”)
The Cap Hit is the Total Amount of the Contract Divided over the Total Amount of Years the contract is for. It doesn’ matter what a player is actually making per year it’s the per year average that determines the cap hit.
Looking at the Bruins current payroll there are about 3 guys possible:
Bergeron: 2006-2007 salary $3 mil even
Aaron Ward: $2.75 mil
Marco Sturm:$2.1 mil
And Rosetti, Manny sure didn’t get it back though now did he? He lost his starting job to Backstrom. Get over it, he’ll be a distant memory by Saturday night.
Thanks for that, Neely. I’d been assuming that was how it worked, but it’s good to have it confirmed. And FEDS, I think PJ Axelsson is on that list as well, with a salary just a hair under $2 mil last year.
Sturm was resigned to 3.5 per
Axelsson is at $1.85
Right, but presuming he gets even a nominal raise next season, that puts him in the $2m range.
Axe is signed for the next couple of years
How do you get your job back when you’ve been injured up until a week ago? Manny is being traded because he costs more than Backstrom and the Wild weren’t going to let someone of Backstrom’s value walk. He’ll make a nice trade down the road, himself — maybe next summer since his NTC doesn’t cover that particular time.
As entertaining as Eklund is on hockeybuzz, just a few hours ago he practically had a Manny for Kubina trade sewed up between the Wild and Toronto. So, let’s let Russo sit by his phone and keep his laptop company until real information pours in.
Did you fall asleep sticking by your phone and laptop?
Here’s the actual article about the Boston angle, repeated (or abridged)on thefourthperiod.com:
“The Boston Bruins have apparently received an offer for their first-round draft pick, which is eighth-overall.
According to reports, the Bruins have been offered a current NHL player as part of a deal for the draft pick.
Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli is apparently more than willing to trade the pick if the right deal comes his way. The B’s would be looking for an impact player if they decide to trade their first-round selection.
There are a number of teams looking for make moves between now and tomorrow’s first-round, and the Bruins appear to be involved in discussions.”
Fourth Period is now reporting that the Wild have received four offers for Fernandez, which bodes awfully well for the prospect of getting some serious value in return, regardless of which team gets Manny.
The Vokoun thing is stunning, and is yet more evidence that Preds owner Leipold is having a fire sale in advance of the ownership transfer. I wonder if Jim Balsillie ordered the dumping to insure that no one in Nashville will buy tickets, thus making the move to Hamilton easier?
No one is buying tickets in Nashville anyway.
Hey Wallshot, they said that about us too before the Stars were moved. I’d rather see a team in Canada any day than somewhere like Nashville, but I remember all the bull being spewed around when Greed was getting ready to hustle us out of our team. I’d never begrudge any city their rights to busting their butts to keeping their team.
Maybe I am misunderstanding others posts. But, I do not think Manny has been poorly treated by Wild management. The Wild even traded another popular player (Roloson) to make him THE man.
But, then he was injured. Fortunately, the person who filled in did admirably in his absence, and we are lucky he did.
So, after such a long successful run, the job now belongs to Backstrom.
That is not the result of poor treatment of Manny. That is just bad timing. Backstrom was there when he was needed. Now, he has been rewarded for it.
Maybe Manny has more difficulties keeping confident that some others. Maybe that is his personal challenge. Maybe that is why the team seemed to rally around Backstrom like they did.
Apparently (from Russo) DR is shopping Foster and even Schultz. Skoula is an UFA.
And this just involves defensemen.
Plus all kinds of possibilities with Fernandez.
And on and on.
Does anyone think that at the bottom of all this that the GM has a real plan to make the club better? (Not a criticism)
Hey FEDS, that’s cool. I was just cracking wise. I thought it was funny myself, at least. 
I say we petition the league to put in a rule that the wild get all gopher hockey players or minnesota born players but no one else. We won’t win a cup but we can say with pride that we have all minnesotans on the minnesota wild, which is more important.
Am i the only one who thinks people around here severely overvalue local talent?
Anyone else worried that Boston really doesn’t have anyone we want? At least, they don’t have anyone we want that’s on the table/ that we can afford (yes, I’m talking about Chara).
Phoenix has some good young talent, like Ballard, and a higher pick, so it’d be nice if we could get Manny there. However, it’s a little hard to imagine that Phoenix would give up their #3 pick or any of their good young players (that is all they have going for them right now).
Wow…what a night in Wild land.
First, this is a minor thing, but Manny HAS been quoted after, say, a 1-0 loss saying essentially “I only let in one goal, the rest of the team let me down.”
Could be the infamous “taken out of context”, but if not that’s a pretty obnoxious thing to say when - as has been pointed out - Manny (and Roli, Noodles, Nik, Hards, etc) have all benefitted from the Wild’s system so much.
Anyway…if we can get a top 10 pick and any kind of NHL-level player for Manny and our 19th overall pick I will be over the moon.
If that NHL-level player only costs a couple mil I’ll be over Pluto.
This is going to be a fun day!
Hate to say it, Seamus because of what might happen, but I don’t see anyone on the table at Boston that I’d want …
I agree Green*. We are homers. That is fine because it helps build the player base in the state but we can’t place too much value on our local guys.
Lots of good reading material this morning! Great news to hear the Manny trade is near (I figured there’d be a real demand for him).
Which ever team ends up scoring Manny will get a top-notch All-Star caliber goalie who has been chomping at the bit to be an every game starter for the last 3 seasons. He’s experienced, and an awesome save maker. He will earn his team 10-15 points per season just based on his shoot-out performances…
The Wild should get Bergeron and a higher first round pick in return…
lol…smuggla for a guy who likes to tell us what dreamers we are, it sounds like you’re doing a little Rip Van Winkle yourself this morning!
Bergeron and a 1st rounder?!
Manny is a high-second tier #1 goalie in the NHL. He’s coming off a serious injury that was re-aggravated at least once, and caused him to miss half a season, and a (short) playoffs. He’s expensive. He may or may not be a pain in the butt from an attitude perspective.
With the youth coming up in the Boston system, he will go in there as a 2-year stop gap, and then he’ll be right back in the same situation he’s in here - except that he’ll be even older.
I’m not saying he’s terrible, just not the second coming of Patrick Roy as some people would seem to think he is.
Moving his $4.5M for a top-10 pick (plus whatever) is a huge coup for DR.
In an odd irony, we should all be very thankful to Brian Burke for resigning Giguere and creating the current market for Manny.
We are homers, no doubt about it, but in the Wild’s case, I don’t think it’s hurt the team much. (Okay, A.J. Thelen hurt, but everyone in hockey thought that was a decent pick regardless of the kid’s hometown.) Would anyone want to give Mark Parrish back to the Isles?
My suggestion (way back in this thread) of Andrew Alberts as a reasonable throw-in on a deal with Boston was based mainly on his size and makeup - the fact that he’s a native Minnesotan is just gravy.
I agree that Boston is a bit short on players the Wild would want and can afford, and I’m glad that DR is balking (per Russo) at taking on the grossly overpaid Glen Murray. I’m with Seamus - a deal for Ballard would be great, but I don’t see Phoenix giving up both their #3 pick today and a future power-play quarterback.
If DR gets a #3 pick OR Ballard, much less BOTH, for Manny he should be elected as Governor of the state.
That would be one of the all-time great screw jobs in the history of sports.
Touched on earlier, the Wild do have a goalie friendly system. That is because JL insists the whole team pay attention to defensive responsibilities.
Talent is what Sid C has, heart is what it takes to play team defense.
When you start with teams castoffs and malcontents, do not lose sight of the huge job it is to transistion a team into a contender.
But, when a team takes care of defensive responsibilities the liability for lack of offensive talent is not as apparent and it is much easier on the goalies.
I can always count on NiNY to bring me back to reality…
I want to see DR pull off a screw job…
I just want to see what magic DR pulls off this year, after all it was a year ago that we got the great news that Pavol was coming here. I have faith that it will be a good day in Wild country.
if we trade with phoenix, can we get Wheeler?
According to The Tennessean (Nashville’s daily paper,) the Preds’ GM is swearing up and down that there won’t be a fire sale and that they’re not shopping Vokoun. This, of course, is at direct odds with Russo’s info. Given the current state of things in Nashville, I’m firmly inclined to believe Russo.
Also, Fourth Period says (also contra Russo) that the Panthers are still very much looking for a goalie, and have specifically targeted Bryzgalov and Preds backup Chris Mason. Which begs the question - does Jacques Martin actually believe Mason is better than Vokoun? Has he been told that he may only shop for a bargain basement netminder? Or is someone’s info wrong?
I trust Russo over any Tennesseean.
I could live with DR as governor! Wow, Nick Schultz part of the conversations. DR checking salary value or trade?
Reading the various hockey blogs that I do it’s becoming quite apparent that goalies from a lot of teams are lightening rods — fans either love ‘em or not. It’s also amusing how some see goalies in the Eastern Conference as victims of poor defensive teams and if we’d just have them come West all could see how fabulous they are. Conversely, they view our talented goalies of the Western Conference as mediocre players shielded by stellar defense and if they just went East they would be exposed for the frauds that they are!
Based on fan response, I’d say I hope Manny goes to Toronto. The Bruins fans who bother to blog are a hostile bunch regarding this possible trade. I haven’t seen much reaction from Phoenix, but many Leafs fans are chopping at the bit.
(BTW, regarding Manny, injuries and expense — same could be said for Gaborik. Between his contract hold-out and serious injuries, I’m not sure I’ve seen him play an entire season. Maybe this will be the year…)
Toronto’s Globe & Mail is reporting that the Leafs are about to acquire Vesa Toskala from San Jose in a deal that will be contingent on Toronto’s ability to sign him to an extension. (The paper also points out that Thomas Vokoun has a no-trade clause, and that Nashville’s GM told the Leafs he was unavailable, so it’s looking as if Russo’s source on his availability may have been mistaken.)
One more goalie on the move, you can cross off Toronto for Mannys new home.
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THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS HAVE ACQUIRED GOALTENDER VESA TOSKALA AND FORWARD MARK BELL FROM THE SAN JOSE SHARKS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE LEAFS FIRST ROUND PICK (13TH OVERALL) PLUS THEIR SECOND AND FOURTH ROUND PICKS IN THIS YEAR’S DRAFT
Eddie’s comment shows the potential value in moving Manny.
But, Becky, nobody stepped up and started putting pucks in the net when Gabby was out.
So, that is a major difference.
The Boston papers today were saying our #1 (8th Overall) and a young prospect like Hannu Toivonen, Peter Kalus, or Matt Lashoff for Manny. Sounds like a steal to me. I don’t think they would trade Murray for Manny, i read they were trying to trade Murray to San Jose for Patrick Marleau, and reunite him with Thornton
Rolston did a pretty good job of putting pucks in the net while Gaborick was out, again. But then for some reason he fell apart in the second half of the season. After he caught that virus he just wasn’t the same. Demitra didn’t do much until Gaborik got healthy. Which kinda sucks because if Demitra can only score when Gaborik is on the ice and Gaborick misses half the season again this year…..
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