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Monday’s practice update

Posted on October 15th, 2007 – 6:52 PM
By Michael Russo

Good day. Not too much went on in practice today. Dominic Moore is still out with an abdominal strain, Doug Risebrough was on the run back to Orange County to scout Ducks-Red Wings.

In tomorrow’s paper, I’ve decided, perhaps, to anger the blogging, message boarding masses out there and do a glowing Martin Skoula article.

Jacques Lemaire absolutely adores the guy who seems to get under the skin of several Wild fans.

No doubt he’s had a couple mental mishaps, especially last December, but Skoula’s been absolutely terrific the last four games and is a big part of why the Wild has given up a league-low FOUR goals in FIVE GAMES or 23 FEWER than 1-5 Los Angeles, tomorrow’s opponent.

Jacques’ comments are interesting. He has so much confidence in Skoula, he basically said he feels there are times where Skoula single-handedly ruins opposing forechecks.

That’s it. Only bit of news is Risebrough said the Wild is actively talking to communities around the Twin Cities about a potential practice facility. He says it’s two years off and it’ll depend on the community whether the Wild builds one or renovates an existing ice house.

OK, SoCal is screaming my name: “Ruuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssssooooooooooo!”

Hear it?

96 Responses to "Monday’s practice update"

elbruin (yorbington) says:

October 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

Enjoy SoCal Russo,

Too bad the weather isn’t better for you here. I was at the game last night and spoke with a couple of the moms. They look like they were having a great time.

elbruin (yorbington) says:

October 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pm

I almost forgot to ask, I was sitting right next to the Wild goal last night and in pregame warmups Backstrom took a puck to the shoulder and slammed his stick and skated off the ice (I think it was Radio) Anything come of that?

Yoke says:

October 15th, 2007 at 7:24 pm

I feel awkward praising Skoula.

It hurts, like watching soccer.

Kyle says:

October 15th, 2007 at 7:29 pm

Russo - was Lemaire specific about the things Skoula does to “ruin a forecheck” and other things that instill that confidence? I’d love to hear what he has to say to that extent to try to watch it from his perspective.

Intoblivion says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:07 pm

I think Jacque had a little language snafu, probably meant to say Skoula single handedly ruins our forechecks. Okay, fine, maybe not. I guess he prefers to turn it over in front of the Wild net…

Sure, he’s been playing a better so far this year, but will it last? Money says that in no time at all I am yelling “Skoula!” at my TV and ripping hair out by the handful.

slapshot 6 says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pm

Jacques perspective, WOW that would be like going to another dimension…cooolll.

It is always interesting to step into Jacques world and even more interesting to hear him talk about it.

slapshot 6 says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

Skoula has looked good this season so far. Gotta give credit were credit is due. Carney looked a little rusty last night (sorry Willow) but shook it off by the end of the game.

Does anyone really think that Walz, Carney, Bouchard or Foster are going to drop the gloves? I think
Walz and Carney have been around to long for those kind of shenanigans and Bouchard and Foster….I just don’t think their going to do it. Something big, real big would have to happen for them to drop the gloves.
Thoughts Russoville?

sawhockey says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Skoula’s strengths:
1. positioning play
2. shooting puck up the boards
3. playing with puck too long and making long, errant pass to nobody

Skoula’s weaknesses:
1. any semblance of goal scoring
2. playing with his head up so he can actually make a pass after holding the puck for a minute
3. Marney Gellner

kj says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:39 pm

What we have is a tale of two Martys.

There is the BAD Marty that we have seen in the past and are loathe to see.

There is the GOOD Marty that has been around this season. JL has never acknowledged BAD Marty. Perhaps that is why he coaches the Wild and we are Russo’s gofers.

And…to make matters worse…he’s not even dishin on So Cal.

My life is sooooo pathetic…:)

sawhockey says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

Russo,
So how long have you been drinking JL’s Kool-Aid?

Jarick says:

October 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

Marty Skoula 07-08 has been fantastic.

Marty Skoula 06-07 was painful to watch.

JL DID acknowledge bad Marty, he said he made terrible plays and decisions with the puck…or “not so good” in JL lingo. Oh well.

Nick in New York says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:09 pm

Look, if Skoula can not F up, and even chip in the odd assist (goals are simply too much to hope for, though a guy can reserve the right to be surprised), then that’s fine with me.’

I don’t care WHO plays as long as they play WELL.

Same as the fourth line guys. Radio, Foy, SRV, Moore…I just want three of them to step up and claim a job, I don’t care which three it is.

Adam says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:15 pm

I do think Skoula’s good plays and consistent good positioning go unnoticed by his hard core detractors (dude in section 201 - you know who you are) but even his strongest defenders have to admit there was zero market for him as a FA. Bottom line, the 1 year deal for this season was solid for the Wild.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:21 pm

Come on NiNY, you know better- he’s a defensemen, he’s not responsible for scoring goals!

Is Skoula the a perfect player? No. Does he do alot of things well (that people who’ve never played hockey before don’t understand or see)? Yes.

I’m all for being constructivly critical of a player, but many here have mindlessly blasted Skoula. Those who have now got egg on their face…

kj says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:31 pm

I don’t have egg on my face. I saw a LOT of BAD Marty last year.

Good Marty reminds me of Colorado Marty.

The beauty of politics and hockey observance is that you can change your mind.

I LIKED Marty before I DIDN’T like Marty.

Nick in New York says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:35 pm

smuggla: I don’t think I’ve “mindlessly” done anything. And lets try to lay off the veiled supremacy claims like “that people who’ve never played hockey before don’t understand or see” too while we’re at it.

You might have played more hockey than I have, and you might be a defenseman, but I don’t think anyone who posts here often enough for me to have an opinion about them is that big of a hockey idiot - I mean, it’s not like Hayseed and Greenlay are regulars here.

I don’t call you an idiot, and I don’t think anyone else here does either.

Think about what we’ve said about Skoula the last couple of games: he hasn’t made any glaring mistakes, so he’s playing better. It’s not like he’s challenging for the Norris.

Burns scores goals. What are those? Mistakes? Don’t fall into the Wild trap (haha) of thinking that “offensive defensemen” are only supposed to be able to start the rush with a good breakout pass. DR and Ramsey tried to sell us that BS when they backpedaled on Johnsson from last season.

There are offensive defensemen in the NHL who score goals with some regularity. Some of them can also play defense (cough*sheldonsouray*cough). Skoula was brought in here as an offensive defenseman. He has failed miserably at that job. Now, we might be able to recast him in JL’s image (read: defensive defenseman) but the jury’s still out on that for me.

Many of us have been forthcoming about Skoula playing better this season. No need to rub it in our faces.

toivo says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:36 pm

I’ve never been a Skoula hater (Todd White on the other hand…), but not a fan either. So far he’s looked good. Dare I say it? Strong, almost. Did he just need a year under JL to get comfortable? Of course, it’s still early.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

just to clear the record- mindelssly does not refer to NiNY or kj (and others who don’t just come on and say: “skoula sucks” - cause you know there have been many who did)

kj says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:39 pm

Oh…and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once too…:P

toivo…we will have to agree to agree on Todd White…:)

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

For the record Burns will take the Norris trophy- not this year, but soon.

kj says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

smuggla…no backpedaling needed. I can be mindless at times. But, Skoula did suck last year.

Good Colorado Marty…:)

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

I’m just glad to see Skoula finally getting some good press. It was just hard to hear some fans say any of our defensemen suck, when the Wild allowed the FEWEST goals against in ‘06-’07…

Bandgeek says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:47 pm

I don’t dislike Marty, I just find him frustrating. He was talked up so much that his ineffectual play last season made me angry. If he can pick up his play great, if he can’t, I’ll continue to question his placement on the team.

kj says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

smuggla…you must not be a pop music fan…although it’s a little old:

One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch…LOL

It sounds like something a Coors spokesman would say in a voice-over with blue skies, puffy white clouds and a stream running across the television:

Good

Colorado

Marty

I think I really need sleep.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:50 pm

Not to sit here and disagree with anyone - but help me remeber who was talking him up. If I recall we traded one player and got two- and Skoula was one of them- if anything that’s sending a message saying “expect less from Skoula than the guy he replaced (Mitchell)”…

Adam says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:52 pm

Off topic - Watching Ducks/Wings and they had partial video of a late but not too late Boogie hit on Bert that will have him on IR for a week. Bert looked away and got hit by the Boogie express.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

I hope Bert never plays again.

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:02 pm

Mike Russo: To say Skoula had a couple of ‘mental mishaps, especially last December’ (your words, kind sir), is like saying the 35W bridge collapse was a ‘minor mishap’. Now, granted, last season he WAS the epitome of the phrase ‘team goat.’ The man who couldn’t shoot, straight or otherwise. The only check he would ever throw had a restaurant name on it. And moving the puck? Last season, Mayflower had an easier time moving a puck than Martin did.

We all asked ourselves what JL saw in this guy. We all did it. Everyone who is (or claims to be) a Russovillian did it.
No one understood what Jacques saw in Martin. Or, why he was playing the way he was playing at that time.

That was then. This is now.

Finally, we now see a confident, assured defenseman, moving the puck when needed, where needed and how needed. He plays the man, even throws a check…on an opposing player…now’n'then.

Is he playing better positional hockey than before? Definitely!

Is he on a ‘contract drive’ for next season? Perhaps.

Will I lay off him if he continues to play this way? As long as he plays well, I’ll temper the criticism. But if (or when) he screws up and begins to have another stretch like last December (or last season, for that matter), I hereby reserve the right to drag the ‘Skouba’ moniker off the scrap heap.

‘Fool me once; shame on you;
Fool me twice; shame on ME.’

P.S. Mike Russo…I’m going to keep a copy of this article for the rest of the season, if only to rub it in…if Skoula goes back to the old ways!

Bandgeek says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

It was out side press when we first got him smuggla. I was trying to find out exactly who we had gotten in the trade, it’s been a while now so I don’t remember details, words like solid, dependable, and good positioning come to mind. I gave him the benifit of the doubt that first season (settling in and all), but expected more (and got less) last year. If he continues to play this season like the last few games, yippy go Skoula!, if not, what are our options? I would feel the same about almost any of the players on the team.

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

smuggla: I don’t need to be an apologist for what I say. I don’t mindlessly say ‘Skouba sucks!’ and I never have. I’ve always backed up what I’ve said about the guy, good or bad. True fans do that.

If you want to come after me, however, for my opinion — and that’s what it is, my opinion — then don’t make blanket statements about all Russovillians in general.

You know the initials…

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:24 pm

it just seems like he’s been unfairly labeled a scapegoat. (maybe I didnt watch those ‘games last december’ which he supposedly single-handedly caused the Wild to lose closely enough- but I don’t think the Wild lost any games because of him. And for some reason it’s become fashionable here to blame anytime the Wild lost last year because of him…)

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:25 pm

furthermore Wild RoadTripper- now that I think about it you are one one those guys who mindlessly ripped. So yes, you are one of the guys I refer to.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:28 pm

WRT- I also must point our your accusation that I made a “blanket statements about all Russovillians in general” is wrong. You need to read better- I did not- I was refering to blogger like you…

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

smuggla: Well, since we seem to disagree…I stand by my earlier post. Throw your best brickbats at me. If you think I deserve it, so be it. I have come around as Martin has. Can you?

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

So WTR- how’s the egg feel on the fingers?

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

smuggla: Gee, I don’t have any around. If there’s egg on my fingers, it’s the scrambled cooked kind (with Tabasco, thanks).

Hey, anyone can change their opinion, can’t they? If someone shows improvement in their performance, shouldn’t that be recognized..and applauded?

I think so…

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

Ok, WRT, I’ll equate those last 10 minutes as a virtural dropping of the gloves. Now I’ll now reach out shake your hand…

As far as who won, the fans can vote on http://www.hockeyfights.net
;)

Chris says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pm

hey ss6, the only way bouchard will drop the gloves is if he accidentally puts on Boogards gloves. I think the only d-man I am uncomfortable with right now is nummelin.

Chris says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:47 pm

I vote for Gorg

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

Uh, Chris: wrong thread, pal. Move along.

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

lol

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pm

smuggla: You stood up well, son. Let’s go off into the sunset, and…

smuggla says:

October 15th, 2007 at 10:56 pm

I do have one critism of Skoula:

He needs to drop the gloves for once.

IceMan says:

October 15th, 2007 at 11:22 pm

If my memory serves, Skoula came with some warts … “makes mental errors that drive coaches to drink. (or words to that effect)

I think WRT has it right, Skoula is playing with confidence right now.

Adam says:

October 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pm

Good article Russo - I thought the Wild signed Skoula for one year not two. However, was it around $1 million per?

FEDS-91 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 12:06 am

Yeah, I guess to me the reason I don’t whine about Skoula is that until I win that many Cup rings or even one, I don’t for one second think I know better than Lemaire.

Yoke says:

October 16th, 2007 at 1:11 am

So you can never question anything, because Lemaire won titles? Can you say something doesn’t taste right when a great chef gives you some food?

Honestly, last season I felt Skoula was the worst defenseman on the team, and this year he’s skating like one of the top 3. It’s good to see. Hopefully he stays confident and keeps making smart plays.

There really isn’t anyone on the team right now that gets on my nerves, it’s kind of nice.

Spamsmom says:

October 16th, 2007 at 3:54 am

Mike sure knows how to stir the pot.

Kyle says:

October 16th, 2007 at 5:38 am

Now Skoula’s only fault is dividing Russoville.

Adam - $1.8M per year, 2-year deal, I think.

I’ve been a Skoula detractor for awhile. But, I will admit, there are times when he does make good, solid plays. I’ve seen him move the puck well, force guys to the outside, throw some good hits, and read the play well enough to break up the pass in his own zone.

I think his weakness is quick decision making under pressure. That is when I think he makes his most glaring mistakes. He isn’t alone there, though.

Someone pointed out that maybe it is just time under Lemaire that was needed to get him playing with confidence and that very well may be. It seems to be a common theme with guys that are new to Lemaire’s system. Given time to learn the system and adapt, they may become much better.

Wafer says:

October 16th, 2007 at 7:29 am

I thought the article was good, and like kj, I remember and liked Colorado Marty. Thus, I was excited when we picked him up, and was hoping for big things from him.

Then he started to be kind of a bonehead, and I’ve been down on him since last December. Maybe it was unjustified, but once bitten twice shy, that old chestnut.

Now can’t we all just agree that Nummelin is the new Skoula?

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 16th, 2007 at 7:33 am

smuggla: If I ever saw Skoula drop ‘em, I think I’d be the most shocked person in the arena. I used to think (until last Sunday’s game vs. Anaheim) that Nick Schultz was the last Wild player I’d see in a fight. Silly me…

Wild RoadTripper says:

October 16th, 2007 at 7:39 am

Wafer: Nummelin would be the new Skoula, if he had the poential that Skoula had. Sorry, Wafer. Nummelin is a step or two below the current Skoula.

They love Nummelin in Europe; maybe he should think about going back there after Nov. 18 when Sean Hill comes off his 20-game suspension.

Wafer says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:10 am

WRT: True, but I was only talking about Nummelin being our punching bag.

Maybe he could go play with Voloshenko.

Nicole N says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:11 am

Real nice Yoke. I hope you recover from that pain.
“…mental mishaps…”
Nice chuckle there Russo. I’m with Nick on this one. Skoula is not my favorite guy. Has he been solid of late? Sure. But can he be better? Can we get someone better? I ask the same of other players like Nummelin and Vellieux. Average or “pretty good” players are not reliable in the long run. But, since I’m faithful Russo, I’ll still read your article. I’ll drink a double vodka before to help curb my rage. SoCal rocks.

smuggla says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:13 am

Here’s the deal: Last game Harding got slashed in the neck- correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Backstrom got slashed in the chest after he froze the puck. Forster is big, Skoula is big. Schultz can drop em and so can Burns.

No more waiting for the refs- Next time someone touches our goalie I want the nearest defensemen to drop the gloves and start wailing on someone.

Nicole N says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:15 am

BTW: That was not a “fight” Schultzie was in. That was scrum, or better yet a Slapfest. That was funny. I applaud him for the effort though. This team needs to be chippy!

GreenStar says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:25 am

Skoula made mistakes last year, no doubt. After the one in Dallas i think it was, that I believe the coach called him out on, he was put under a microscope. If the wild lost a lot of people could find something he did that caused it. I saw burns f up a lot last year and it was played off as him being young. maybe that is fair.

in any case, skoula is a perfectly serviceable defenceman that should chew up 20 to 25 minutes a game.

as for the BS of the defence starting the breakout…how many here remember watching benesak, brad brown, sekeras starting breakouts. passes were no where near the forwards. How many of our d-corp from the first 2 years would be able to make the homerun pass today? it ain’t worth 4 mil but it isn’t complete BS.

Wafer says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:33 am

Nicole, while I’m not high on SRV either, Lemaire loves him because he’s a defensively responsible forward. I take that back, while I don’t love SRV, I don’t abhor him like Nummelin either.

IceMan says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:39 am

Bandgeek asked who we got with Skoula, I think it was Belle.

Remember, Nummelin got lots and lots of game time in the early part of last year. Then, maybe the ref’s quit calling the game so close and he lost his confidence. When a player loses his confidence all his warts become obvious.

I think he has a certain role to play, but logging heavy ice time is not the role for him. With Foster and others hurt last year it forced him to play a role he was not able to handle.

But, he is part of the team. JL can use Nummie when he wants to, I am content with that.

JaneDickSpot says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:40 am

Perhaps they are buttering Skoula’s image up for a trade?

Nick in New York says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:50 am

GreenStar: that was not my point.

I was trying (poorly) to say that, with Johnsson and Skoula, DR and Co. brought them in under the auspices of the “offensive defenseman we’ve been looking for” sort of rhetoric.

But, after JL sized them up and apparently drew a divergent conclusion of their respective skillsets, DR in particular (but also Ramsey specifically with Johnsson) backpedaled furiously, saying, no, they’re really here for their ability to play defense first. And that they need only take care of business in our zone and initiate the breakout with a good pass to satisfy management - and to fulfill their job description.

My point was that, offensive defensemen do more “offensively” than just initiate the breakout.

The “BS” to which I was referring was that DR and Rammer appear to be trying to convince us otherwise.

I certainly recognize the value of a good breakout, and I also distinctly remember the pain of watching our initial defense corps struggling with same.

Russ says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:54 am

I have said it before and I will say it again. Skoula has his good and bad games. More good games as of late. Since he is only making 1.8mil, i can live with that. The problem that I have is when he is out-performing Johnnson who is getting over 2 times the pay (iirc, 4.5mil?). If we should be unhappy with anyone, it should be Johnnson. He is definitly not earning his pay.

mbrose says:

October 16th, 2007 at 8:55 am

I can’t believe you did this to us Michael Russo!

Nick in New York says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:01 am

Mr. Russo - Thanks for the inside look on why JL loves Skoula so much. I think we’re all willing to defer to JL on all things hockey.

Just to be clear: I have never liked him. When I was living in Denver and he was breaking in with the Avs he was an absolute nightmare. My buddies and I would often say that his problem was that he created as many scoring chances against as he did for. Mitchell didn’t score either, but at least you never had to worry about him in our own zone.

But back then he was actually putting up points, so at least the pain of watching him play defense wasn’t in vain.

Now that he’s not even scoring….yikes.

But if he plays well I don’t care. I’m more than happy to support him (or anyone) as long as they play well and, in his case anyway, don’t screw up.

The only thing I disagree with in your article was that he is solid in the corners. He consistently goes into the corner with an opposition player after a 50:50 puck and is unable to either obtain control of the puck or the opposition player.

Often the result of this is that the opposition player either skates out of the corner with the puck, or passes the puck to a team mate and then skates out of the corner freely himself.

Is he the only guy on the team who is guilty of this? No.

But that doesn’t make it okay.

doogs says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:05 am

Schultz was definitely trying to fight the other night. The other guy, forgot who it was, was busy playing duck and cover every time Schultzy threw a punch.

Nick in New York says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:09 am

doogs: that would be Getzlaf.

mbrose says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:12 am

I think this is just Russo getting back at us for our part in the Demitra being unhappy story. He’s watched the same games we have, hasn’t he?

Egad says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:14 am

“I’ve been a Skoula detractor for awhile. But, I will admit, there are times when he does make good, solid plays. I’ve seen him move the puck well, force guys to the outside, throw some good hits, and read the play well enough to break up the pass in his own zone.”

Kyle, this statement pretty closely mirrors my own feelings, though I haven’t actually gone so far as to call him the Wild’s version of Nick Punto. When I watch Skoula I think of a six-foot-three Gordie Roberts, for the old North Stars geeks among the group.

DJ says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:18 am

Way to stir the hornets nest Russo.

I have actually grown to like Skoula’s game the last half of the season last year. I thought he may have been the worst defensemen ever to play the first half but he really picked his game up and took it to another level the second half. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he is the second coming of Raymond but I do think he has turned himself into a pretty good defensemen.

slapshot6 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:33 am

Well what a pot stirrer you are Mr. Russo.;P I did feel “reviled” was a little strong. I can only speak for myself but “reviled” Martin Skoula was never by me. But as, I think it was GreenStar pointed out to DorksFan07, “we calls em as we sees em”.
I am not a big fan of Gaborik. He can get 18,000 on their feet at the X and then can’t close the deal. Nummelin is better in a shootout than Gaborik and he’s supposed to be our franchise player and makes the coin too. whatever.
Give me a steady, consistant player not a superstar anyday. Rolston, Parrish, Belanger, Walz,Koivu and lately Radio and SRV. You know what your going to get when they hit the ice. I was a huge Willie Mitchell fan as well. He may not have scored alot of goals but you could count on him in our zone and besides isn’t that Gaboriks job?

slapshot6 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:41 am

Got my first “Hayseed” experience last night. What a dork. Lots of Minnesota Wild/Derek Boogaard references last night as well. Oh news flash……May hit Johnnsen with an elbow in the play- offs last season. It was not a sucker punch, this of course from the Hayseed himself so it must be gospel.
They interviewed Mathieu Schneider last night and apperantly Schneider hit Hayseed in the forehead with a puck during a practice back when Schneider was like 18 years old. After I picked my self up off the floor I realized why Hayseed is as confused about facts as he is. The other stunner for me was the fact that Brian Hayward actually played the game….yikes.

El Gato says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:45 am

Egad, Roberts was much better offensively, but to use your name, egads was he horrible on defense. He had two patented defensive moves. #1 was if there was a 2-2 with him and Maxwell back on D, if his guy was handling the puck and crossed over toward Maxwell, he would instantly follow the guy. Of course, the other opponent would skate behind the puck handler and after an easy drop pass he was all alone on the goalie (Meloche, Beaupre, whoever). The other move was when an opponent caught him flat-footed and skated around him with the puck, he would just horse-collar tackle the guy, resulting in a power play. He looked like he was ready to climb the penalty box one time when I laid into telling him to retire after one of those horse collar tackles on Jim Korn, not exactly an offensive juggernaut (circa 1988 when there were only about 6 or 7 thousand fans at The Met and you could easily sneak down and sit 3 rows up from the penalty box).

Nick in New York says:

October 16th, 2007 at 9:45 am

ss6: not only did he play the game, he once played the game in the green, white, yellow and black of the Minnesota North Stars.

El Gato says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:00 am

Was he in goal more often for the Minnesota North Stars than Mike Sands, Jiri Crha, and Jim Craig combined (I think that would total 3 or 4 games)? Hayseed was also a Montreal goalie for a time, was he there when Lemaire was an assistant? Is there any Hayseed hockey fight footage, he probably does the two handed slap in front of his face if there is (like my 2 yr old daughter does).

Nick in New York says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:13 am

Hayseed has his name in Jennings Trophy lore (possibly the reason he was the person who awarded the Jennings to Manny/Nik this summer?) from his days in Montreal when he backed up a young goalie named Roy.

He played 26 games for the Stars in 90-91, going 6-15-3, with a 3.14 GAA and a .886 SPCT.

Adam says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:13 am

Kyle - $1.8 per is steeper than I hoped but probably still a bit under market value. Thanks.

toivo says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:37 am

I was watching the end of the the Det-Ana game last night when I heard Hayward say “Holmstrom is getting away with MURDER out in front of the net. I can’t believe the officials are letting that go.” Hmmm… what did I miss? So I backup the tivo a bit. There’s Holmstrom in from of Bryz. Standing there. Screening him. No Duck player really battling with him. Just standing there screening the goalie. After a shot, the puck goes into the corner where Holmstrom and a Duck chase after it and with some incidental contact, the Duck player goes down. Ah, yes! Murder. That oughta get the rabble thirsty for revenge, eh?

As for Skoula, I think he’s looked much more aggressive overall. Like he might score some goals this year. Johnsson too, while we’re at it. When I watched Skoula last season I wondered how it could be possible that he ever scored 10 goals in a season. He always seemed to be taking weak shots that 9 times out of 10 went right into the shin pads of the defender in front of him. A cannon he does not have.

GreenStar says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:40 am

my guess is they were trying to say there was more to offense than scoring goals. it was a backpedal but i’m sure they didn’t want to just come out and say, he isn’t who we thought he was. so if you want to crown him, then crown his *ss.

kj says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:40 am

Ah…the Hayward memories.

Must be his deep rooted hatred for all things Minnesota.

Or, it was the puck to the mush.

GreenStar says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:42 am

holmstrom and maltby are agitators and i’ve seen both of them get away with a lot over the years.

smuggla says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:47 am

‘90-’91? That was the year the North Stars were in the Stanley Cup Finals.

slapshot6 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 10:59 am

That’s got to be it. Hayseed is just hatin’ everything Minny. Must not have had a “Minnesota Nice” experience.

toivu - watched the first 2 periods of that game. Lots of pushing and shoveing between Holmstom and Pronger.
Don’t know if you saw this but on the Detroit powerplay, after many, many cross-checks from Chrissy P., Holmstom and Chrissy got tangled up and Holmstrom ends up with 2 min. Hayseed proceeds to explain that it was not ok for Chrissy to fall down, go boom because Detroit was on the power play…..huh?????

Cptmorgan4 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 11:44 am

How does one get to listen to all this wisdom coming from “Hayseed”?

slapshot6 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 11:47 am

Cptmorgan4 - He is one of the announcers for the Ducks. If you have the CenterIce package you’ll be able to get in MN.

El Gato says:

October 16th, 2007 at 11:55 am

Thanks Nick for the info! Hayseed is bitter toward us because he couldn’t beat out Kari Takko and we North Star fans probably booed him constantly for his goaltending ineptitude (even though he probably saw himself as the greatest goalie ever and taught Roy everything he knew).

Nicole N says:

October 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

…don’t even get me started on Yawnson. That guy is WAY overpaid. Burnzie is the only Defensman on this team with any offensive ability in my book. It would be nice to have defensmen who can actually score goals…or skate…or fight back when they get sucker-punched in the face or bitch-slapped. But, I guess we are still growing in that area…

Jack Hammer says:

October 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

Re: FEDS-91 says:
October 16th, 2007 at 12:06 am
Yeah, I guess to me the reason I don’t whine about Skoula is that until I win that many Cup rings or even one, I don’t for one second think I know better than Lemaire.

That is such a tired argument. Lemaire won as a player on an immensely talented Montreal team. As a coach, Jacques’ New Jersey team surprised, with smoking-hot goalie, during the playoffs of a strike-shortened season. Since then, he has won as many championships as me … ZERO!

slapshot6 says:

October 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pm

Wow Jack’s got some JL hatin’ goin’ on.

toivo says:

October 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pm

Oh, I know Holmstrom’s job is to park in front and cause trouble, but on this particular play he wasn’t doing anything, and it was described as murder. Meanwhile, a Duck might run a guy into the boards from behind and it’s “a little shove”. It’s kind of this weird sort of persecution complex he seems to have for the Ducks.

Egad says:

October 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pm

El Gato, good catch. My Roberts reference was for defense and sometimes stunning decision-making. At the old Met, I’d watch Roberts and Maxie play defense with my heart in my throat.

El Gato says:

October 16th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

Thankfully Fred Barrett was there to provide defensive stability to the old North Star teams. I was saddened when we traded him to LA his final season. We used to talk with Fred after games when he did color for the Stars after his career ended. He was pretty dry for a color man but had obvious strong knowledge of the game.

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