Monday practice update
Posted on October 20th, 2008 – 1:10 PMBy Brian Stensaas
Just back from Parade Ice Garden. As Russo pointed out below, Marek Zidlicky was back on the ice with his new teammates today. The defenseman was moving well, and though nothing is certain yet, all signs point to him making his Wild regular season debut at home Thursday. Jacques Lemaire said it’s a “big possibility.”
I talked with Zidlicky for the first time today. I think he’s genuinely excited to be here. His face lit up when asked about Thursday. He is ready to get in front of a sold-out arena.
So Zidlicky was there for the full practice - giving the Wild eight defenders - but Marian Gaborik, Pierre-Marc Bouchard and Owen Nolan were not. All, however, did skate before practice. Jacques said the trio is just not ready yet to fully practice. But he’s encouraged by the next two days off yet before playing again.
Also to note from today was the line of Brunette, Koivu and Miettinen skating for about 30 minutes less than the rest of the team. Jacques said there was no real message being sent by giving that line some time off, just that they had been playing so much and so well. When a line is as hot as it, 90 minutes of practice every day is not needed, Jacques said. You can bet some of the younger guys took note.
And Wild assistant coach Mike Ramsey had another eye operation today. Same eye as last year, which prevented Ramsey from traveling with the team. This surgery, Jacques said, comes with a “quick recovery.”
Check tomorrow’s paper for notes on these items and more. I’ve got to get to work - and have a meeting this afternoon, too. Fun stuff.
209 Responses to "Monday practice update"
Mr. Stensaas, we have bad news for you.
You’re being re-assigned to cover Brad Childress during the Vikings’ bye week… 
(Just kidding.)
Hopefully Nolan and PMB get well soon! (Gaby, well, we can’t comment on HIS injury.)
Trade Gabbie ASAP. The kids will come along. Our outer teir players are better this year and should help with offense. 2 solid players and a top draft pick would go a long ways.
so.. what exactly IS the word on gabby’s contract?
personally i think we trade him.. rumors have it montreal is one team that is interested..
but why type of package can we expect in return if we do trade him?
With Zidlicky apparently in on Thursday can we begin speculating on who sits?
I say Kolanos plays instead of Pouliot and Moses plays wing while Gillies gets trained on popcorn machine operation.
If Zidlicky is back, someone has to go down either Clutterbuck, Mojzis, or Kolanos. We would be over the 23 man roster.
I thought PMB was the only player on IR.
Jackson: the kids have not come along yet and if you read both papers today, JL is as frustrated as can be with Gillies, Pouliot, and Sheppard.
Impasse on Gaborik contract. DR talking to teams and looking for a trade. Rumors surround Montreal - Higgins, 1st, and McDonagh/Halak for Gaborik.
My bad, Zidlicky’s on IR too.
In that case, I say Kolanos in for Pouliot, Moses in for Gillies and Clutterbuck goes back to Houston.
Zidlicky, PMB, and Foster are on IR. Mojzis, Kolanos, and Clutterbuck are in their spaces at the moment.
I agree Clutterbuck should go back down and let Kolanos stay to play center so that Pouliot can play wing.
You guys are getting the other Nick Backstrom. I just checked his player page on Yahoo because I wondered why someone cut him, and he’s listed:
2008-09 WAS 5 0 1
2008-09 MIN 0 0 0
Goody - I’m pretty sure Nolan was also on IR
KiPA- Sweet.
Hell, I almost cut him. Him and AO aren’t doing crap.
…maybe not
Backstrom to MIN, Gaborik to NYR, Gomez or Drury to Washington?
I am keeping him at the moment.
That would actually be a minor nightmare.
Backstrom-WA is helping me with FW in fantasy. That’s why I am keeping him. He hasn’t done much else.
I need new goalies — I am winning most of the skater categories and losing all the goalie ones.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3982
Seems to still be there.
Backstrom to MIN, Gaborik to NYR, Gomez or Drury to Washington?
Hmmmm. I’d do that deal if Wash included a 2nd rounder.
Buddha you mother f—–! I was just about to grab Weber!
That’s it, time to abuse the commissioner powers.
Doesn’t work. Washington is at the cap now. They’d need to dump 7.75 worth to have space for Drury or Gomez.
They’re trading Nylander to Calgary.
Not enough.
Wait– does that mean that I am losing points? I don’t think he got anything this past week. I received credit for his FW
Nylander’s 4.875 and Backstrom’s 2.4 = 7.275. Drury’s 7.075.
Plus 726K left in space anyway would fit in Gomez’s 7.357.
Unless you’re seeing numbers I’m not.
Yes! I beat you to someone! Sweet. Actually, I just saw I had a guy on IR, so I grabbed Weber. Wasn’t really planned, but good to know I beat you to him…
Trade you Byfuglien for him.
oops, missed Backstrom’s bonus money in the cap hit. Yeah, that’d work, but what’s Calgary sending in return?
Second rounder, maybe a mid-prospect or so just so Washington’s free of that contract.
(Actually I have no idea.)
i could almost see a montreal trade, they might have some cap issues though (not sure, but looking at their roster…). i’m not sure they’d give up higgins though i know there’s been some trade talk around him the fans love him.
*if* montreal wants gabby they’d probably offer two of the following: chipchura, lapierre, latendresse, s. kostitsyn, david fischer, or ryan mcdonagh.
Deos the current Montreal rumor even work? According to NHL Numbers, Gabby’s hit is 6.3 this year - Higgins’ is 1.7. Montreal is just a hair below the cap it looks like.
So that leaves approx $5 mill that needs to leave Montreal to get Gaby in a Habs jersey.
McDonagh is a prospect, and Halak doesn’t make enough to move the needle.
There are few guys on Montreal that make 5 mil per - Hamrlik, Markov, and Tanguay. None of which the Habs are going to trade if they think this year is the year.
Am I missing something?
Am I missing something?
the last few days conversation? 
the last few days conversation?
Touche - I have been out of the loop since Friday. Sorry folks!
to recap gun, the habs would need to dump some salary either to us or to someone else.
I think they would dump some of that salary you mention if it meant #10 in the fold.
Anyone else surprised that Demitriage is injured already? and playing W not C? AND dropped to the third line?
Injured - no. dropped to the third line - yes. I didn’t think he would be paired with Kesler and Burrows. Playing W - no. He would rather play wing than center.
Nope. Demo is just bein’ Demo…
Demitra is Slovak for Cancerous Growth. It’s true, look it up.
If the Habs are in the mix and can get Gabby long term, I say:
Gaby and Pouliot for Higgins, Hamrlik, and a 3rd rounder.
I may still be a little bit of a homer with that trade but I really dont think they will trade Markov or Tanguay.
A sad day for Kevin Gorg…
Russo and Stencil:
What’s Bruno and Gaborik’s reaction to the Rays winning last night?
LOL MNWF
Sunshine - maybe Stencils can ask Bruno tomorrow at Hockey Unplugged.
I’m assuming we will hear the press release tomorrow that due to Gaby’s glass groin that he will be unable to attend the event.
Someone should ask them about it at the Hockey Unplugged.
We will wait and see if Gaborik will make it. They have marketed on their website.
[…] Russo’s Rants – […]
[…] Russo’s Rants – […]
#10 will make it if only because deep breath says there is no chance he does.
Demitra is Slovak for Cancerous Growth. It’s true, look it up.
COMDC… (Diet Coke)
#10 will make it if only because deep breath says there is no chance he does.
Is there a betting line yet?
If the Wild were to make the move to Montreal for Higgins and Halak, what is the chance they move Backstrom at the deadline? Halak seems to be a solid young goalie and with Harding being the future, Backstrom is due a big pay day next season, why not move him for a pick?
keith jones must read the blog just said mtl will be looking for #10 if they want to add.
even referenced higgins.
My goal puck last night was made in Slovakia. First Slovakian I’ve liked in a while outside of Olvecky.
Anybody else watching Avery v. Rangers? Just feels too polite.
I saw that Hockey Central was adding fuel to the Gaby rumors. If the Habs have the best package and we don’t get Doug Gilmore’d or Joe Thornton’d I’d be happy. I guess we’ll see if something shakes out after the GM meetings this week.
Backstrom is due a big pay day next season, why not move him for a pick?
Because he is good and unless he is set on getting into an UFA bidding war or gets hurt and Harding shines the Wild would lose significant credibility by not retaining him. I strongly believe that once the Gaby situation is resolved, the Wild will announce a Backstrom extension in short order. I have to say I do not understand why Halak’s name is in the Gaby rumor mill unless its part of a three team trade.
But isn’t Harding supposed to be the future? I thought that is why we have spent all this time grooming him.
I believe both are up for FA next year, we cannot afford to keep them both. My thought is we probably end up moving Backs because of $$ and the time spent on Harding. How bad would it be if we let Harding walk next year and he turns into a top #1. All that time and effort wasted!
You guys are more of an expert then I, just have been thinking on that one. Seems like it could be a very intriguing offseason if nothing else, especially if we move Gabby and free up some $$
Harding is a restricted free agent, and he has not shown enough for another GM to attempt to sign him to an offer sheet. He may have a breakout year, but unless he is otherworldly, I don’t think any GM would want to give up picks for Harding.
Harding is a restricted free agent next year. Ultimately I think the JL system works best with 2 goalie system
So do we hand Backs a big multi year deal then and keep Harding on as a back up?
I agree on JL’s system working best with 2 goalie system but, do we spend all that $ for one goalie and give Harding a raise too keep the same system? Wouldn’t Backs be commanding a #1 pay day?
Don’t get me wrong I trust what you all are telling me, just trying to understand the thinking behind it all.
How do you pay a guy #1 money and keep a rotating goalie system, we had trouble with this with both Manny and Roli as well.
We could be tying up a lot of money in goalies.
If the Wild has ideas of retaining Backs long term, it absolutely has to sign him before the season is out. This summer, a team will offer up an armored truck full of cash for a legit, top-end goalie. That won’t sit well with the whole “we have so much more to offer than other teams” mantra that Ballgame likes to spew. If that is the case, the Wild would do well to move him at the deadline, when he would command a hefty price. Then, of course, the Wild would have to secure Harding long term and groom Schaefer as the backup. All this goes away if the Wild can sign him during the season to an extension.
OK, this question calls for sunshine but if Hards continues to play backup minutes he will get a resonable one year deal out of arbitration next year and ? years after. But yes, Backstrom is headed for #1 money. Fortunately, sans Gaby the team should be in good cap shape for the next few years.
They will be in good cap shape, if Gaby is shipped, but don’t think for a moment that Ballgame is going to win a bidding war on the open market for one of the top goalies in the League. If they have designs on keeping him long term, a deal needs to be done before the season is out.
Also, for the autograph fans out there, remember that only 150 tickets are being allocated for Bruno’s autograph tomorrow night at Sneaky Pete’s. Another 150 tickets will be avilable for autogrpahs for the player the team finds to replace Gaby at the appearance.
don’t think for a moment that Ballgame is going to win a bidding war on the open market for one of the top goalies in the League
No doubt - you never want to be shopping for a #1 goalie on July 1 regardless of cap space. My point is that the Wild will have ample space to take on Backs at a larger number once Gaby is gone. Totally agree that Backs needs to be extended this season.
I believe Harding has a chance to be a very good goalie, he just hasn’t had the opportunity. I felt before Backs came into the fold that was why they gave Manny the contract they did. If I remember right that would have been up either this year or next as well. The thinking then was we had Harding to step in but, Backs came out of no where and blew that whole idea up. Hardings progression seems to be coming along faster then the Wild anticipated also.
I guess I can just see the Wild moving Backs for a high pick or a highly toughted prospect near the deadline and resigning Harding to a 4-5 yr contract at a much lower number and keeping $$ open to bring in a star FA. They would have the money and the front office knows the fans would not be happy if they held onto that extra $$.
I guess I just see Harding being a very capable #1 especially if we have another goalie, such as Halak, sitting behind him to keep the 2 goalie system.
They would have the money and the front office knows the fans would not be happy if they held onto that extra $$.
Worse would be spending that $ on second tier UFAs once the top players pass on what Doug Smugsborough is selling I don’t disagree that Harding has talent but he has yet to show enough for me to pass on Backstrom.
Harding is a RFA with arbitration rights this summer. He is not yet 27 or have 7 years of service so he is still RFA for at least 2 more years when he turns 27.
I don’t think that DR is waiting to deal with Gaborik before dealing with Backstrom. He wants to see how Harding does before deciding on Backstrom’s future. Backs bleed Iron Range Red so even if it gets to the end of the season, he might still be willing to sign a reasonable contract with the Wild. Though, it might be best if they give him a contract before the trade deadline to save themselves some money.
True it does seem players just pass on by us when it comes to FA. Can’t bash DR on his attempts to get Hossa though, they really did put it out there, he was just more interested in stacking a team to win a cup.
Don’t hang your hat on Backs bleeding Iron Range Red. Go back and look at the comments from Huggy during the last couple of months when the issue was brought up with his contract status. He did everything but blow the director of MN Travel and Tourism. He raved about the place; wife and kids love the place; loves to play in front of these fans. Then signed for longer out East. In the end, the dollars and years will determine where 95 percent of players go.
I hope Harding gets a chance soon. I really like Backs and don’t necessarily want to see him go but, if we moved him and signed Harding to a new contract we could really have some serious $ for next season. Assuming we move Gabby!
Sunshine I agree with you about Backs, I really think he likes it here and would entertain offers from us first and probably take a little bit less to stay here but, if we are looking at top 5 goalie money we may not be willing to put it up with Harding in the wings.
Thanks for all your thoughts guys!! I read this alot, seems to have more intelligent hockey talk then any other blogs I have read.
Harding has not shown that he is #1 material yet. The Wild may end up annointing him as the #1 for next season if an extension can’t be worked out for Backs. But so long as negotiations on an extension are going alright and the team is in playoff picture, Backs will finish the season in Minny.
Backs is no Rolston. If you read Russo’s article on Backs, you get the sense that he is willing to stay but it has to be at a reasonable price for him.
Now, Backs might change his mind as FA gets closer and closer, but as of this moment, I think he would be willing to stay even he doesn’t get a contract until the end of the season. It will depend on how DR treats this situation.
The Gaby rumors are interesting, but the key word is rumor. When Eklund is the first to mention a rumor, it almost a scientific certainity that if and when Gaby is traded it will be to a team and for players that none of the the pundits mentioned.
sunshine - Thanks for clarifying Harding’s RFA status. I have to agree to disagree on extending Backstrom however - locking him in post Gaby trade will help the transition. If you are right on his attachment to the Wild - and I think you are - that will make it all the easier for DR to get the right deal soon.
6GS:
It depends on how DR handles the goalie situation. Rolston in January was probably in the mind to stay but as the Wild waited on him, he stopped waiting for them.
I don’t know if the Wild will want to continue waiting on Harding. They might decide that he isn’t as good as they think he is and give a chance to Brust or Khudobin as the backup and keep Backstrom.
I think because of this uncertainty with Harding that we won’t see much movement with Backstrom until December or January.
Though, re-signing Backstrom in the wake of a Gaby trade especially if the return isn’t going to be great might help offset the backlash from the trade.
Backs doesn’t seem to be in it for the money. But then again, when the BIG money is presented, it can change anybody’s mind. But for sure, he does seem to like it here.
I’m a little intrigued by those who don’t see him as a #1 though. He has been a pretty damn good goalie the past couple years. I’m not sure what those people are looking for. Maybe Roy or Hasek… but as usual, that is unrealistic expectations.
I like what I have seen in Harding. Potential appears to be there. But I don’t see a GM trading for another Harding and then shipping his proven GT. Let alone add Halak at this point. Especially when it’s in a deal for a commodity like Gabby. As I said in a convo with KiPA yesterday or the day before, it just doesn’t seem to make sense.
I’m no MKiA, but I just don’t see Halak coming to us.
But I can see a Habs deal happening. They got some stuff for us, we have a proven goal scorer for them. And for those that say the money won’t work out… If the deal is good, the money will be worked out.
Though, re-signing Backstrom in the wake of a Gaby trade especially if the return isn’t going to be great might help offset the backlash from the trade.
Now you’re on the trolley - I think the Higgins deal will probably be OK for hard core fans that understand the Wild does not have unlimited $ for Gaby. For the Reusse’s of the world, resigning Backs will help to reverse the “cheap” calls that will follow Gaby’s departure.
- Intresting to note if it was not noted above that Higgins didn’t play tonight.
- Once again, Dickie Dunn captures the spirit of the Wild’s goaltending situation and the MTL trade situation all in one post.
Doesn’t Backs have a limited NTC? For some reason I was thinking he can’t be moved until the deadline.
In more spirit. SCREW the Reusse’s of the world SGS!!! At least when it comes to hockey. I like Patrick, he is just a dumbass when it comes to hockey and shouldn’t be considered in the discussion.
The announcers said right away tonight that Higgins was out. Didn’t say what the deal was… Probably a lower body injury. Separated shoulder or whatnot.
I don’t like the new NHL injury reportage. Do it like the NFL, doesn’t stop Bellichek from lying about it. At least make them be crafty about it.
Dickie Dunn= DR is creating a community of finnish players with Mittens, Koivou, and Backs. DR would not sign Backs right now for one reason. He has performed his best with this team when he is in a contract year
IMO - I think fans have been pretty tough on Harding. Goalie is the hardest position in hockey and takes the longest to develope. Most goalies aren’t in their prime until their mid to late 20’s. Harding is how old 23 or 24? Last year was his first full year in the NHL and I would not say he was given a fair shot to split the job. Leave him on the bench for weeks and then throw him out to play in the Saddledome and Pepsi Center where we can’t win to save a dying child. He needs to be given a real chance.
Higgins hasn’t been playing this year because of a pulled groin he suffered during the preseason.
MKiA, are you on any recreational drugs?
Backs hasn’t even been in the NHL long enough to make an accurrate read on whether or not he is better in a contract or non-contract year.
I like your opinion Lucky. That’s why I can’t figure the Wild adding another Harding in Halak. Then dispatch a solid GT in Backs.
JMO Dickie. People scream bust and act like he is to the Wild what T-Joke is to the Vikings but Harding just had his first full year in the NHL last year and wasn’t even given a full work load. Let him split the season here and see how things look.
Now speaking of busts is it true Aeros fans that Petr Kalus pulled a Volshenko and wenting crying home to Europe?
Dickie Dunn- Mister Know it all does not particpate in any type of drugs. Nicolas from new york has made claims that I take lithium but that is just not true. His rookie year he had no contract, and he played remarkable, last year he had a contract and he was not quite as good, this year he looks great and no contract next year. You see Dickie ?
Word to JL. Leave Backs in until he has an off night. No Harding ! Make Backs the starter until he proves he is not worthy
We are 4 games in MKiA. And Backs wasn’t even the guy til the end of his first year.
You might need some recreational drugs. Here on the East Side of St. Paul I can point you in some different directions. I don’t condone them, but I think some people need them. Or at the very least, might want to give them a chance for the sake of the sanity of both themselves and the general populance.
I will explain myself - Backs has an off night put Harding in, start Backs the next game. Thats not good news for Harding but its the right thing to do for the team
DR would not sign Backs right now for one reason. He has performed his best with this team when he is in a contract year
You forgot to add that DR should also trade for the rights to Kangas immediately
- I am also fine with Reusse outside of frozen pond
- I think Backs is playing too well to split split the season with Harding but I agree that anyone calling him a bust is way out of line at this point.
- The Canadiens were forced to go with a makeshift lineup because a number of regulars were not available.
Andrei Kostitsyn was out as the result of the concussion he suffered Saturday night and Christopher Higgins failed to get medical clearance to return from the going injury which has plagued him since training camp
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=822682a1-f784-496e-8205-c259d742887a
My guess is “going” is really groin - at lease the Wild’s medical staff has had a lot of practice with this sort of injury!
Hey play the hot hand for sure SGS! I’m just trying to say to other Wild fans just chill out on calling Harding a bust at this point. How long did Dan Cloutier pretend to be an NHL goalie?
Calling Harding a bust is crazy! But I haven’t even heard that. I’ve only heard from interested observers that “there are questions”. Aren’t there always questions? I haven’t heard the B word though. Where is that coming from? I realize it might be out there but how widespread is it?
Harding is not a bust. The Wild will make a decision at the end of the year on its goaltending. I will sign it
Mister Know it all
I’m just trying to say to other Wild fans just chill out on calling Harding a bust at this point
100% agree and I think Russoville continues to support Harding but that might not be the case on the Wild boards.
Backs’ NTC is in effect until February 1st.
Look the “bust” thing is the impression coming from the Wild. They want to “test” Harding out this year to see if he can hack it so they can let Backs go. This is what the Wild and the media are implying.
The Wild will make a decision at the end of the year on its goaltending.
Just when Backs is near the UFA pot of gold - smart thinking MKIA.
There are other Wild boards? Is that where the Reusse hockey people go?
Can you cite that Sunshine? Or are you “implying”?
Six goalie system- No debate exists, Backstrom is the goalie- like Mister Know it all says he has a bad game once pull him and start him the next game, he has a bad game twice in a row then you pull him, then you start Harding for a game and then you bring him back as soon as you can… I will sign it
Mister Know it all
Signed Mister Know it all Six goalie
That’s the impression I am getting from reading the Backs article.
It could be totally false but that’s the implication that I am seeing.
MKiA, I’m pretty sure that is the general MO anyways.
What Backs article is that and why are you “getting that impression”?
Honestly, and that article and your impression square this?
“Look the “bust” thing is the impression coming from the Wild. They want to “test” Harding out this year to see if he can hack it so they can let Backs go. This is what the Wild and the media are implying.”
I wish I could remember how to do the italics…
The Backs article that came out about two weeks ago.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/28673589.html?elr=KArksUUUU
OK, I see you did alot of inferring with that article. Wasn’t much to it if you ask me but I’m not MKiA.
I appreciate your opinion Sunshine, but I think you are reaching with the “bust thing” with Harding. Especially based on that article.
Wow if anybody is watching the Kings vs Avs Smyth just turned Doughty inside out. That is exactly why Cuma was not thrust in to the NHL this year.
Our scouting director was at the game, MTL v FLA. He lives there so probably can’t look into to far but, that could be why the Habs went with Halak. Could be they are trying to make us take a look at him.
I understand many of those that don’t want to trade Backs or lose him. But look at it from the front office stand point. They may not believe they lose much if signing Harding to a cheaper long term contract and moving Backs for prospects or high picks.
Besides I still believe the Wild would really like to give Harding a real shot at showing what he has got. I believe he is going to be a good goaltender, I think the time invested alone means the team has to try.
- italics - http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/htmlitalic.php
- Gaby trade article from Russo is up - http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/31446364.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUBP7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Gaby trade article from Russo is up - http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/31446364.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUBP7hUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Newguy, it’s been known that the scouting director was going to be at the game. He also lives in Montreal.
You are assuming we are going to trade for Halak and then move Backs for picks? At this point in the year? I still need a little convincing.
Backs has proved himself, we have a good team with or without Gabby, I just can’t see that scenario.
And if questions are out there on Harding, why would you assume that a 8th or 9th round draft pick in Halak vs. a 2nd rounder in Harding who has more NHL experience would be more of a “sure thing”? What you are looking at is 2 unsure things instead of one unsure thing in Harding and one pretty solid GT in Backs.
And I don’t see why the Wild would deal their hot commodity for a goalie. But that’s just me.
- I should have added that a Gaby deal is not in place but that LAK and MTL are at the forefront.
- As sunshine noted above, Backstrom’s NTC is in effect until February 1st so if Halek is coming, Harding is going but I don’t think Harding is going. If Halek is part of this trade another team that could use G talent - like LAK - is way more likely.
- DD - here is how italics are done - http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/htmlitalic.php
Thanks SGS. I learned it once before, but forgot it. I’ll probably forget it again. But I do appreciate it.
Come on Dickie Dunn. Its not really where you are pick. You can’t say the same for Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Kim Johnsson, who was the last pick in his draft.
Brian Lawton vs. Zetterberg. #1 vs. 210.
Harding #38 vs. Lundqvist #205. (only 2 years apart)
Its how you play the game. Harding isn’t a sure thing, yet. That is why there are questions.
I don’t know why Russo is pushing the trade thing so much. Every casual hockey fan knows that a trade is coming. Its not new info.
I am not saying that I think the Wild will go thru with the Halak part of that. Either way, no goalie involved or there is one, the Wild may have to entertain the idea simply because of what could come back. If Harding and Backs both look good heading into the deadline, I could see the Wild moving Backs.
To me it just seems to make some sense finacially for next season when you already stand to have money, now you could move on a top guy and with the talent we will retain post Gabby we could actually set ourselves up rather nicely next year. Not to mention I don’t think it changes us that much this year.
Good point there, newguy.
We might need every bit of available money to sign at least one elite player.
Sunshine, I anticipated that question. But the fact remains, if you think Harding is a “bust” possibility and he is a known quantity, why would you trade for another goalie who has less experience? And after scouting, you are looking at somebody you took in the 2nd round in Harding vs. somebody somebody else took in the 8th or 9th who you don’t even know about?
I appreciate Datsyuk and Zetterberg… but how are they relevant to what you are saying? They are now proven to be great players. But do you think it’s a coincidence that they are always the ones you hear about being late round picks who made it big?
Furthermore, Backs wasn’t even drafted. Roloson was in NHL wasteland when we resurrected him. Somebody left Manny on the expansion draft list. Toskala was taken off a trash heap last year… I think it’s easier to find a goalie than it is to find quality position players. And I don’t think you want to take a chance on another goalie prospect when you already have one when you are unloading a talent like Gaborik.
I stand by my opinions. And I’m still wondering how you came up with what you did out of that article you posted.
I think Russo’s report that DR has offered Gaby in a trade is news as is the nugget about probable discussions with LAK. MTL and the rest is the context/old news. Also, assuming Russo has more off the record stuff, this is a signal for me that the trade is sooner rather than latter which is important given the need to get Gaby’s cap hit on another roster.
- newguy - cap space does not guarantee the Wild will get who they would want on July 1 - bailing on good G after losing your top scorer sounds like lots of risk to me. Plus Gaby, Skoula and MAB cap space gives the Wild $8 million before subtracting any additional $ for Backs or the NHL player(s) coming in the Gaby deal. If that player is a RFA like Higgins, I don’t think the cap hit next year is going to be massive.
And I never said Harding was a “sure thing”. I just disagreed with your “take” on that article.
I think Harding might be pretty good though.
The better argument with Lawton would be Lawton #1, LaFontaine #2. Damn North Stars…
My bad. I had to go back and check it out. In Lawton’s draft, LaFontaine went 3rd. Yzerman went 4th, Cam Neely went 9th, and Dave Gagne went 12th.
Goddamn North Stars…
Michael up North: Sabourin made 35 saves in a shootout win and was the game’s No. 1 star. Still think we need Khabibulin?
I never said that he was a bust. I said that there were questions surrounding him.
Didn’t you ask why people on the Wild Board think Harding is a bust? Since you asked, I said that the Backs article, which implied that there are questions surrounding Harding, is why some on the Board thinks he is a bust.
Regardless, there are legitimate questions surrounding the Wild goalie situation. Are they are going to trade Backs for assets if Harding steps up? Or are they are going to keep both? And if you have read any of my posts regarding Harding on other threads, I have said that because he is RFA, the Wild would not have much problem re-signing him to a good contract if they decide to keep Backs.
I think Dickie Dunn is being manipulated by Reg Risebrough into thinking Harding is the next best thing since he was a second-round pick, and there’s no way someone drafted in the eighth or ninth round could possibly be better…
I am a loyal Russovillian. I don’t do other threads. And if those on the other threads are influenced by that Star Trib article, where I didn’t detect anything like what you said you did, with apparently some confidence as indicated above,
” Look the “bust” thing is the impression coming from the Wild. They want to “test” Harding out this year to see if he can hack it so they can let Backs go. This is what the Wild and the media are implying.”
I don’t see how the Wild implied that based on that article. I don’t see how you or anybody else could say that they did. Now, I don’t know about those people on those other threads. So I can’t comment on that.
I do agree that there are some questions with our goalie situation. My whole point was that I don’t see them seeking a goalie in a possible Gabby trade. I really don’t see the point. And it really doesn’t make sense if people think we should get another unknown in Halak and then trade Backs for pics. All I’ve ever said is that it doesn’t make sense to me.
Especially when we seem to agree that Backs likes it here and we probably have a good shot at signing him.
And if a trade is inevitable, why would you add a goalie now? Like I said, doesn’t make sense.
KiPA, I don’t think you could back that statement up by anything I’ve said… ever.
Never said Harding is the next best thing. Don’t know Reg Risebrough. You can feel free to go back through the last year and try to find something but I thought I would save you the time.
I think Harding is basically the same as Halak and I don’t see why we would add him at this point. Really, if you boil it down, that’s all I’ve ever said.
People should read Shipley’s article on the Gaborik trade talks. Its a very pragmatic article.
I just wanted to add a twist to the whole Gabby thing. Too much speculation with out talking of other guys like Backs. I want just as badly to see some thing happen on the Gabby front but, when it happens it will be quick, we probably wont see it coming.
I really like Backs as a goalie but, there is a lot to think about with Harding. To me he has the potential and has shown it many times. He has played badly as well but, when only given a chance here and there and usually in a tough spot it is understandable to have a rough time. Our system makes good goalies, if we play the way we can that is all we need.
Shipley both confirms and rebuts newguy’s take - http://www.twincities.com/ci_10771345 - Here are some bits:
- But the rumor the Montreal press was sinking its teeth into Monday isn’t so patently insane: Gaborik to Montreal for winger Higgins, backup goalie Jaroslav Halak and either a first-round draft pick or top prospect Ryan McDonagh (yes, that Ryan McDonagh).
Like all rumors, this one is not substantiated by a named source. That doesn’t mean it’s not true, but it does mean one should approach it with caution. For one thing, the numbers don’t add up: If the deal were done as is, Montreal would be about $3.86 million over the cap. And acquiring a backup goaltender doesn’t make much sense for the Wild.
- What we know for sure is that negotiations between Gaborik and the Wild have shut down; “impasse” may no longer accurately describe the situation. The Wild have offered a 10-year deal worth more than $8 million annually, and if the Gaborik camp hasn’t officially turned it down, nobody’s rushing to accept it, either.
- This Montreal deal would give the Wild a reliable and improving winger in Higgins, 25, and a super prospect in former Cretin-Derham Hall defenseman McDonagh. It also gets them down to about $3.13 million under the cap.
But in the spirit of the thing, here’s an educated guess and a little speculation: There will be more, and maybe better, offers. Gaborik is done in Minnesota, and it’s now Risebrough’s job to make the best trade possible.
I was just playing, Dickie. Reg Risebrough = Reg Dunlop. Nothing in my post was serious.
Did he really say “in the spirit of the thing”?
I know KiPA, I just didn’t want to be the guy answering another brainwashing accusation when it is not Doug Risebrough. Let’s keep it one Risebrough at a time who is brainwashing me.
Did you notice the part about adding a backup goalie not making any sense?
That guy gets paid to say that…
I’m out! Sunshine, no hard feelings, I like a robust debate and don’t mean any harm in it.
He did say it - he was probably reading Russo’s Rants tonight
I could see the Wild getting Halak if a third team is involved. The team getting Harding - not Backstrom - would prbably be looking to challenge their current starter.
I wish I could remember how to do the italics…
MKiA…er…Dickie Dunn…you really need to get off that laughing gas.
Tons of posts about Ghost and the Habs. I keep tellin ya. He’s gonna end up in Phi or Tampa or LA.
I have forseen it. And that’s better than signing it.
Dickie:
I think this piece of the article is why many thinks there are questions surrounding Harding and why some goes as far as to say he is a bust. You wanted to know why people on the Wild Board are saying so, this is why. The threads I was talking about has been on this blog.
[ A lot depends on 24-year-old Josh Harding, still considered the Wild’s goalie of the future. He suffered growing pains last season, winning once in his final nine appearances after Jan. 13.
“Josh has got to move to the next level of being a legitimate guy that we can go to in situations, and I never felt that in the second half,” Risebrough said. “He just wasn’t there, which is all right. That’s part of the development. But we’ve told him that ‘your step up is to grab games from Backstrom.’ ]
You might not think he is a bust. I am saying that there are questions surrounding Harding. Others are saying he’s a bust.
You have your opinion. I have mine and others have theirs.
Are you more right than I am? No. Am I more right than you are? No. Are the others more right than you and me? No. We all see things differently.
I lied. Not out yet. But KJ, I’m clearly not MKiA, I am not even as smart as you with those italics and smiley faces and other computer tricks you are so good at.
As for laughing gas, read back what I said and tell me what of it didn’t make any sense. I’d be happy to argue about it with you.
Sunshine, I still don’t see the Harding condemnation in that article that some others see. Bascially I read DR saying he was developing. Isn’t ready yet. While not being brainwashed, I can agree with that.
And being that we have all been dealing in hypotheticals, I can agree 100% that nobody is right or wrong. It’s all opinions, and you know what they are like…
I was going to say something about KJ but won’t. He is a good guy despite his MiKA accusations. Met him once. You buy me a beer with or without somebody else’s money, I have to like the person.
Goodnight all!
Dickie…I remember you…nice guy, but a Mister Know It All kind of person…LOLOLOLOLOL
I kid Dickie, I kid…
Decent article by Shipley.
But…
Raise your hand if you’re finding the Wild rather tedious right now. Too much “what if” ad nauseum. I hope I’m feeling the love again by this time next week, as I got my tickets from Stubhub today.
Wow MsC, your mail is deliverd at odd hours!
Interesting insite on why Gaby is not going to Montreal.
I don’t know why Russo is pushing the trade thing so much.
not much else to write about?
That’s FedEx for you man. Lurking in the dark and whatnot.
Interesting to read the Montreal media outlets. Here in Minny, it is all but a foregone conclusion that the Wild and Montreal are feverishly brokering a deal, but you can’t find much in the way of speculation about it in Montreal. Doesn’t really mean much, I guess, just thought it was interesting in how one market is all trade all the time and the other market hardly gives the “rumor” a mention.
Also, with Zidlicky hopefully hitting the ice Thursday, does Rietz get the boot?
I figured Mojzis would be returning, DB.
or is he still playing forward?
Since Gaby, Butch and Olden are all still out, you would think that Mojzis would stay up front since JL’s disdain for young players is obvious so another call-up is not going to happen.
Deep Breath, that’s probably because they’re happy with the team they currently have. We are not.
Also, as I posted way up above, I think they’ll keep Reitz and Moses. Clutterbuck heads back to Houston. I think JL would rather keep the extra D and play Moses at wing.
Moses plays wing, Gillies plays wing, Kolanos in for Pouliot. MAB plays wing except on the PP?
Goody: I understand that, but it seems like this area is making the “Gaby to Montreal” something that it might not be. If the rumors were this strong up North, you would think the writers/columnists would be on top of it. Remember, hockey is life up there and something like rumors of Gaby being traded to the Habs would not slip undert the radar. Not saying it won’t eventually happen, but it seems like this market, Don included, is making more of the rumor than there actually may be.
I finally have a bit of time and can weigh in on the Gaby to Habs situation.
Thank you, DB, for the link to the Habs site. Does give us a bit of a different perspective on this deal. Keep in mind that the Habs are 5-0 and currently can do no wrong in the capital of Hockey. Am I alone in sensing that the provincialism is even higher in Habs country then here at home?
I’m a bit confussed (more then normal ) why Halak is included in this deal. I watched him last night and he looked very good but why do we need him and why are the Habs looking to move him at this point. The Wild could certainly use more prosects to restock our somewhat bare cupboard. If the Habs are looking to move Halak wouldn’t they get more for him at the trade deadline after giving ample opportunities to show case him in relief of Price thru out the season?
If this deal happen I say it happens fairly fast, before the end of October, and hopefully includes more prospects and less goalie.
Halak > Harding
Hold onto Backstrom. He’s a top 10 goalie in this fine league.
Ghost to Montreal?
Not for Higgins AND McWisconsin. The Wild might get either or, but not both.
I still think a ’star’ in Tampa may be on the move because of their slow start.
Phi is also in need of a shock to their system.
LA can take him giving up prospect(s) and draft picks ‘cuz they’re way under the cap.
Just get it done so we can concentrate on more important things like the noticeable lack of MN born players on the Wild roster.
It is scary that the LAK could take Gaby without giving up a current NHL player. However, on the plus side, Shipley thinks DR can get more than what is currently in the rumor mill from MTL. I don’t have any problem with DR trading Gaby in the West if he can get this done soon.
kj: I apprciate the insite but I don’t think Philly or TB can be considered. Philly has 7 UFAs and 3 RFAs to deal with this summer and has alreasdy locked in 44 million in salary, leaving roughly 14-15 million (depending on where the Cap ends up) to fill the roster. Most likely won’t want to chew up 8 million+ on Gaby. The bolts are in the same situation: 8 UFAs, 3 RFAs and about 13-14 million in Cap space for 09-10. The Habs seem like a good place, but only from Minnesota’s end. The Habs already have one of the top teams in the East, if not the League, and will be in great shape Cap-wise come next summer, if they are looking to dip their toes into the UFA pool, which they certainly will be.
Since Philly traded for Alberts they can’t be that happy with the 4 UFAs on the blue line which includes Hatcher. I agree with kj, something like one of Briere, Richards, Gagne, Carter or Hartnell plus Alberts (the MN native needed for MKIA’s seasl of approval) for Gaby and MAB or Skoula is possible. The question is are they bold enough to do this deal for just this year since it would be tough for them to add Gaby long term.
Deep…I am thinking we get one of their signed players back and they only do it if they know Ghost is going to re-sign.
SGS…exactly what I was thinking - Briere.
My thought it for those teams, it is a ‘change of scenery’ kind of trade where they have to give up an asset to get a dynamic (albeit mercurial) asset.
Deep, I don’t think Russo is necessarily pushing the trade to MTL, just reporting that it is rumored. And why now? Because someone in the know has said DR is shopping Gaborik. Up until now, there has been no proof that DR was shopping him.
At this point, I think everyone understands this is a rumor. I think everyone realizes there are difficulties which would need to be overcome if this rumor were to move into the realm of possibility.
I could see Philly being interested. They’ve had a horrible start and don’t you think they’d like to add Gaborik to go up against STK and Malkin? Bring a little league attention their direction…
Note: I’m not saying Gaborik is in any way equal to STK or Malkin, but Gaborik might be able to get a little rivalry going with STK kinda like Ovechkin does. Don’t you think Philly would like to add that to their already pretty strong rivalry with Pittsburgh?
LA may be in the picture, but they are way under the cap because that is their budget, not because they can’t find anyone to spend payroll on. LA is young and is a few years from making any noise. Why waste assets on a trade now. The LA GM can sit back and wait for Gaby to test the UFA market and then see how badly he really wants to play and live in LA.
Well, it’s been fun Gaby, but… so long, and thanks for all the fish!
I think that the proof DR was shopping Gaborik was when they reached their impasse and he stopped saying that he isn’t taking calls from other GMs.
LA - if there is a trade will give us Handzus and Armstrong/or 2nd rounder prospect, and 2nd rounder pic for Gaborik. They are not going to give us one of their prized players like Brown, Kopitar, Johnson, or Greene.
Its more likely they wait until FA if Russo is right that Gaborik wants to be in LA.
I understand it is a rumor, but the Montreal connection has been a rumor around here since Rosie O was skinny. Yet, narry a peep out of the Montreal scribes/hacks. Just seems like this market is building a house with a sand foundation.
- If it was Briere that would make it possible for the Flyers to extend Gaby long term
- Shipley wrote “Gaborik is done in Minnesota” - should we assume he will not play for the Wild again?
**Breaking News***
I heard this morning on Channel 5 morning news while getting ready for work, that Wild are possibly looking to trade Gaborik!
Apparently they don’t read up on what Mr. Russo has to say…
DB - I did see this one from 10/20:
Canadiens sniper Chris Higgins has yet to play a single regular-season game, but that hasn’t stopped trade rumors from suggesting he could be dealt.
Higgins, who will make his season debut tonight against the Florida Panthers, has been the subject of a number of rumors dating back to last season.
According to Montreal’s La Presse, he is trying not to let all the chatter bother him.
….
Higgins has been linked to the latest Marian Gaborik trade gossip
Does anyone remember what we used to talk about before it became Gaby, Gaby Gaby?
Unless he has heard something not public on Gaby’s current injury, Shipley likely meant that he thinks Gaby isn’t going to sign an extension and will be dealt at some point.
As best as I remember, there was a substantial amount of banter about Rosie O in assless chaps.
RIAC…COMC.
I just want this to be over so I hope Shipley means that the trade will happen soon. It would be nice to just “enjoy the season” as Mike Tice once advised
Is Higgins any good? dont know much about him
I still think we should trade him for that hockey-playing bear.
berc, he had about 25G, 25A for 50Pts last season if I remember correctly.
Wallshot, getting ‘tougher’ was so last season. This season is about moving the puck!
At this point I don’t care if Higgins is any good. Just get something done.
I completely agree with you Ms. C…i’m sick of this
Wallshot, getting ‘tougher’ was so last season. This season is about moving the puck!
Obviously, you didn’t see the video; this cub can play!
The additional benefit to that move is we could get rid of Nordy.
Let me put my name on the list of people that wants this to get over with sooner rather than later so that we can move on. Granted I would rather Gaby takes the extension offered, however if not, I am 100% in favor of a trade and I don’t fault DR for this one bit as I think they have done everything possible to resign him. I just dont want this purgatory to continue throughout the whole season (unless we keep winning all our games, then I don’t care).
I thought Nordy had a NTC.
Didn’t say they’d trade him. Just let the bear eat him.
Didn’t say they’d trade him. Just let the bear eat him.
It has pay per view writen all over it!
- DR could have upgraded the C spot with Morrison but at the same time I am not sure it makes sense to have Shep on the 4th line. We can judge DR once the trade is made and I will give him credit for putting this thing to bed early if it is done soon.
Not sure Philly needs to add anything to the rivalry with Pittsburgh.
(I’d make a crack about “except for skill” but they tend to beat us up, two seasons ago and in last year’s playoffs notwithstanding.)
Hey Kevin… do you know why West Virginia doesn’t have a pro hockey team?
Because then Pennsylvaina would want one too.
The fact that Gaby has not or is unwilling to sign an extension is not on Ballgame. The fact that this miserable soap opera has been allowed to drag into the regular season, where we are now dealing with another Gaby injury which will no doubt (JL accent) reduce Gaby’s trade value, is clearly on the shoulders of Ballgame. Ballgame can’t make Gaby sign but Gaby can’t trade himself.
I want to trade you Weber in one league for someone else in another… is that possible?
Or maybe trade a guy from one of my teams to another of my teams?
Ballgame is a stupid nickname.
It’s not a nickname. It is referenced from Doug Meintieczeriwicz, the former first baseman for the Twins, who was referred to as, wait for it, “Dougie Ballgame”. Many, many years ago, when I was still listening to KFAN and its hosts had not been caught with several grams of Blow, Meintieciwicz was doing an interview on the station late in the season with the team in a playoff chase. I believe he was on the Hartman/Barriororieo show. Anyway, to make a long story a little longer, the hosts had Riseboughour on right after. After the interview with Mientienziciweicaz ended, one of the blathering fools on KFAN goes with “Coming up after the break, we’ll talk to another “Dougie Ballgame” about the upcoming Wild season.
I rest my case.
Encouraging words:
But losing Gaborik wouldn’t be a deathblow for the Wild. For starters, by being proactive and jumping on the trade train early, Risebrough is ensuring the market will work itself into a frenzy. Every team in the league could use a Gaborik; now, it’ll depend on which club comes up with the most attractive package of players, prospects and draft picks.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/18946-From-The-Point-The-Gabbo-conundrum.html
Wallshot is a highly creative nickname.
However, it doeth protest too much!
I liked my old name for him:
Dougie Do Nothing
Shipley has a couple of Gaby quotes - http://www.twincities.com/wild/ci_10776314
I prefer Doug Smugsborough but it can only be used when smug is in the air. The forecast for post Gaby trade day is for heavy smug
SGS: Interesting read but the fact that Ballgame has allowed this mess to creep into the regular season, I feel he needs to ride it out until the end of Feb. when truly playoff/Cup desparate teams will be far more willing than now to cough up substantial packages. In addition, it in no way can help Ballgame’s leverage that Gaby has been on the ice for exactly 3 of the team’s 11 contests (including preseason) so far and right now teams would be a little more “hesitant” to unload a bonanza, then hope he can stay healthy all year, then hope it can resign him to an extension so as not to lose him for nothing in return next July. At the deadline, however, teams are much more willing to take that chance.
I can’t say that I loved the Hossa deal for ATL but it is too early to make the final call there. It is hard to imagine that the Wild would get much more than that at the deadline and you have to factor in the groin or just plan to sit him after Christmas.
If I were DR I would have probably traded Gaby on or after July 1 as I always had the feeling that the system or huge $ or even the KHL was going to lead #10 out of MN.
Food
Well, kj, at least I was able to keep the talk off of you-know-who for at least a few minutes! 
An a different note: Based on Lemaire’s comments/reactions so far this season, does it seem like he’s losing his patience overall?
