Wild GM search update; Hockey’s finest hour(s)
Posted on May 12th, 2009 – 2:27 PMBy Michael Russo
I’m going to Game 7 tonight!!!
Caps-Pens? Nope. I’ll be in Milwaukee to attend Aeros-Admirals. I’ll probably jump on later and give you updates, as long as in return you give me Caps-Pens updates 
After watching every minute of last night’s games, tonight can’t get here soon enough. Carolina-Boston, Detroit-Anaheim, and all four teams have a lot of work to do to equal the excitement of last night’s Washington win over Pittsburgh and Chicago’s elimination of Vancouver.
More on that in a second.
First we interrupt for a Wild GM search update. Tomorrow (Wednesday) I believe the Wild will complete its first interviews when owner Craig Leipold sits down with assistant GM and acting GM Tom Lynn. It makes sense. Lynn’s been in Houston. Leipold’s been in Wisconsin and Minnesota.
Both will be in Milwaukee for Game 7 of the Houston-Milwaukee series, so I’m sure they’ll sit down for Lynn’s interview.
After that, according to sources, Leipold, Jac Sperling and Matt Majka will cut the list to a handful of finalists who will be brought back for second interviews and tours of the offices and arena. Those finalists will likely include at least TSN analyst Pierre McGuire, Pittsburgh assistant GM Chuck Fletcher and Anaheim assistant GM Dave McNab.
I am certain from talking to a gazillion people that the biggest thing that’s delayed this process is the fact that all these men are working right now. Because Pittsburgh and Anaheim are still in the playoffs, and McGuire is working almost nightly, it’s created a scheduling challenge to get them all in here, sources say.
And when it comes to second interviews, it makes sense to try to bang them out one by one by one so the interviews remain fresh in mind and a decision can be made rather than an interview, three or four days of nothing, then another interview, so on and so on.
So, long story short, it’ll still be some time before a GM is hired. Hey, maybe I’ll be back in the Continental U.S. by then — which would be nice. Of course, I leave the country again a few days later as well.
The people I know have been interviewed are McGuire, Fletcher, McNab, Pat Quinn, Nashville execs Paul Fenton and Mike Santos, and by tomorrow, Lynn. I’m still not convinced former Tampa Bay GM Jay Feaster’s totally out of it, and I know there’s been conversation with Tampa Bay assistant GM Claude Loiselle.
There could be others, like I’ve said before. I’ve heard lots of names and are only writing the ones I’ve confirmed through a variety of ways. The frontrunners remain, I believe, McGuire, Fletcher and McNab.
There’s been a ton of buzz about McGuire, who has the personality to place the Wild on the map. I can tell you, I’ve gotten several calls from some of the NHL’s heaviest hitters — Hall of Famers, players, agents and execs — really pumping up McGuire. He’s got lots of friends in all different areas.
Fletcher’s been in the game his whole life, negotiates contracts and has an eye for talent. He’s immensely respected. And McNab is known as a person who will leave no stone unturned in finding players.
I know I’ve mentioned some time-sensitive reasons to get a GM in here quickly, but in reality, there’s plenty of time. The Wild has until July 1 to exclusively negotiate with Marian Gaborik, but let’s be honest. It’s an incredible longshot that he’ll re-sign and forgo his right to free agency this close to it. If Brian Rolston didn’t do it, why would Gaborik? If the Wild can only offer him a short-term deal, well, he might as well wait. And you can bet Leipold knows that.
Also, there’s really no insane urgency to hire a coach right away. In my opinion, it’s only essential to have a coach in place by July 1 so free agents know who’s coaching. That’ll allow a long time for the new GM to interview coaches, and remember, there’s sort of an unwritten rule in the NHL not to have any big announcements during the Stanley Cup Finals. So that takes us into mid-June at least for a coach.
As for the playoffs, it’s been amazing watching the young stars dominate this postseason with pure skill, personality and enthusiasm.
What this proves to me again is how imperative it is to develop stars internally. In most cases, you can’t just buy them in inflated free-agency markets. Look at a few of the stars from the teams alive: Chicago — Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook; Detroit — Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen; Anaheim — Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan; Washington — Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Green; Pittsburgh — Crosby, Malkin, Fleury; Boston — Kessel, Lucic; Carolina — Staal, Ward.
Now, Boston and Carolina are the two teams who’s acquisitions have added tons, guys like Chara and Ryder and Savard and Jokinen (playing like a star) and Whitney, etc.
But in today’s day and age, want a star, you better develop him on your own.
And usually, you have to be bad for a bit to get those top draft picks. Obviously, Detroit’s done a masterful job finding studs in the mid- to- late-rounds and Pittsburgh lucked out winning the lockout lottery and getting Crosby, but most the stars mentioned above came as a result of stinking.
This is the biggest reason why the Wild hasn’t developed the superstars. It’s never had a lousy year.
It’ll be interesting to see if that happens without Jacques Lemaire here. As one longtime NHL exec said to me today, “Lemaire kept that team above water so long, I think a lot of people are intrigued to see how good they’ll be with a new coach. Because there’s not a lot there and there’s not a lot coming up. Getting the right coach there is as important if not more than the right GM.”
Got sidetracked there. My original point? The NHL should be ecstatic with how scintillating this postseason’s been. Just phenomenal games, and great hockey to watch.
164 Responses to "Wild GM search update; Hockey’s finest hour(s)"
Agreed on every point. Finger’s crossed for McGuire
Fletcher over McGuire please.
Fletcher over McGuire please.
Ditto
McNab 1st with Fletcher a close second.
McGuire can have Terhaar’s job.
McGuire has friends in a league that he’s been covering on the side lines for many years? Wow. Not suprised.
On the other hand, “Fletcher’s been in the game his whole life, negotiates contracts and has an eye for talent. He’s immensely respected.”
A guy who is immensely respected and has been actively participating in the league, I’ll have that please.
Fletcher is the guy I want in control of the Wild! I could live with McQuire & McNab too…
TooL has yet to interview but is already a healthy scratch for the final round - classic. The leaving no stones unturned approach to talent searching is probably what this team needs the most - I am in his camp now. However, I still like Fletcher and I can be convinced PM is capable too but I would like him better if we knew there was a decent chance #10 can be retained. I am not as pessimistic on that as the Don but you never know what other teams are going to offer on July 1 and unless the Wild clears more cap space and goes all in on the Gaby contract he will certainly let the market come to him now.
You’d have to think whoever gets the job will make the Gaborik situation priority #1 along with hiring a coach. it will be interesting to see what a fresh perspective on the situation will do.
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Michael - awesome work, great blog update, information and insights. Are you ready for Hawaii or should it be is Hawaii ready for you? Thanks.
Hey, you even made a cameo appearance on my LinkedIn profile, me the hockey geek.
I still like Fletcher a head of McGuire and McNab. Just seems to have a great resume’ and tremendous potential.
But no matter who the GM is they should have one thing in mind for their first objective - take Tom Lynn, Tommy Thompson and Chris Snow and kick all their azzez to the curb! And feel free to clear out any other worthless garbage Risebrough left behind…
Michael, thanks for the update. The hockey was great last night but I wanted to make a comment about the great announcers for both games. Pat Foley, in Chicago, and Doc Emerick are outstanding. Foley, even though he’s the voice of the Hawks, calls the game as he sees it and there’s no crying about the referee calls. Will the new GM/Coach also bring us new announcers ont he TV side of the broadcast?
Michael, Thanks for the update, I thought you were AOL. No blogs, no Sunday update, you can tell the Strib is cutting back. I miss the the Sunday update, you should be covering the play-offs! Keep up the good work. Fletcher is my 1st, McNab will also be a good choice.
Because there’s not a lot there and there’s not a lot coming up.
Words stolen from my mouth.
And M 03 must be the Don’s mother.
1) McGuire
2) Fletcher
3) Mister Know It All
4) McNabb
Pat Foley is always great to listen to.
I would hire MKiA before McNabb and TooL. Obviously, I would be thinking tax write off…
Anyone have a pros/cons breakdown of McGuire/Fletcher/McNab other than what Russo’s stated? I haven’t looked at McGuire’s time in Hartford, but was he successful?
I think we should feel fortunate that we have such a great lineup of potential GMs. I don’t know what it’s been like in other markets that have recently shopped for GMs (from here, it seems Toronto didn’t hesitate before defaulting to Burke), but I’d be surprised if they all got to pick from such a credible group. Maybe this is a the first good sign that players will also want to come here in the future.
One thing that will be a great litmus test next season is that we’ll pick one of these top three and Colorado will probably pick another of the three. It’ll be intersting to compare our seasons. 
MKIA as GM: Everybody on the team would be from Minnesota.
Upside of MKiA as GM: 1st Pick in the Draft EVERY YEAR. +1
2nd Downside of MKiA as GM: He’d pick the Minnesota Kid over the best player with the 1st Pick every time. -2
-1 for MKiA as GM
Isn’t McGuire the classic re-tread. Isn’t his history that he bounced around the league for 10 years, and has been a broadcaster for about 10 years (see Barry Melrose). Is there something I’m missing with this guy? Why is he a credible candidate vs. a couple young acting asst. GM’s from successful orgs?
Encrimson’d: Remember, Burke went to Toronto with Anaheim’s blessing in the middle of the season. The top 3 candidates are all involved with their teams’ playoffs (or playoff TV, in McGuire’s case) right now. They didn’t leave their ships in the middle of the playoff run.
IMO, you cannot argue with Fletcher’s pedigree, nor McNab’s. McGuire may be as plugged in as anyone not currently with an NHL club; he seems to know everyone with every team’s organization.
Let’s see what happens in the next week while Russo gets away from Russoville, and smashed on Mai-Tais in Hawaii. (I envy you, Michael.)
I’ll take a pineapple, thanks!
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McGuire is a mistake. Most of the people watching him every night in Canada hate his personality. He’s so over-the-top. “Bongo!” “Unbelievable!” “Whamo!” It’s all nonsense.
Not to mention: How is this guy, with this indulgent, excitable nature going to balance payroll effectively? Really, people should be concerned with how he’s going to fit everyone under the cap long-term. Sure, he can get a few guys here, but he has no business experience or management experience whatsoever.
Chuck Fletcher is the guy. He’s the only one that is polished enough and brings a high-powered offensive approach. I mean, I certainly don’t want to sit through 82 games of the next coming of Anaheim.
Fletcher’s the guy. It’s a no-brainer.
There is a spot in the linkedin profile to list benign stuff - “I like whiskers on kittens and warm woolen mittens”. I listed favorite hockey blogs.
WRT: what if the big decision happens as soon as the Don is out of cell phone range, just so Shipley gets the scoop, tho Stencils will probably be on call. Maybe Stencils gets paid from the Don with pineapples or grass skirts.
Is there something I’m missing with this guy
melrose is a tool and the job is GM not coach. different. I don’t think i’d consider PM for a head coaching job.
Most of the people watching him every night in Canada hate his personality
well there we go. people in canada don’t like his personality so we better not hire him.
best reason ever.
I agree that there is no room for Snow on Thunder Island.
I mean, I certainly don’t want to sit through 82 games of the next coming of Anaheim.
I see your point but, on the other hand, the Wild currently looks more like the Ducks and less like the Pens (although history still tells us Benny was picked 3 slots behind Crosby). But whatever, I will take half a Chuck Fletcher over DR every time
any score updates for the rest of us?
After 2 Periods. Boston is up 4 - 1 on the Canes.
I am surprised that PM is getting as much love as he is. How many GM openings have there been in the last several years? All of a sudden, he’s the second coming and a perfect fit for the Wild. I’m torn between talent evaluator and cap management as most important skill set. The first requires a hockey guy, the second a business guy or gal. Hey, wait a minute! What about Christine Simpson. She knows all the guys. I’ll bet she could persuade a few of them to come to MN.
In the end, I think PM would bring some near term exposure that Fletcher or McNab might not. But in the longer term, it will be about putting together a winning team/tradition. Gotta go with Fletcher or McNab. I’ll trust CL’s judgment on either of those.
I never said I love McGuire, SotB. I started out saying I want Fletcher, and that’s what I still say. You just can’t argue with that pedigree, and the fact he has had to make it work in cash-strapped Pittsburgh (sorry, KiPA) makes him even more the better candidate. The Pens have had to juggle the books a lot to make the numbers work with all the talent on that team.
BTW: Final…Bruins 4, ‘Canes 2. Game 7 Thursday night in Boston.
LWF & WRT: thanks for the updates & info. CAR has been a surprise - they were on the bubble for the playoffs the last month of the regular season.
wonder what the CO folks think of coach Q and the CHI team, after last year’s, um, less than a hug fest…
Russo - please tell us you will not eat any spam while on holiday. Mai tais & pineapple sound perfect
WRT Agreed on pedigree. Russo’s update made it sound like there is a pretty full PM bandwagon around the NHL.
any score updates for the rest of us?
That’s not allowed.
“melrose is a tool and the job is GM not coach. different. I don’t think i’d consider PM for a head coaching job.”
I get that. I was drawing the comparison between a guy who was in the league 10 yrs and went into broadcasting for 10 yrs and then came back into the league and flamed out (granted it was with TB’s mgmt)
That’s not allowed.
Yes, it is, just not by me it seems.
*Look at a few of the stars from the teams alive: Chicago — Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook; Detroit — Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen; Anaheim — Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan; Washington — Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Green; Pittsburgh — Crosby, Malkin, Fleury; Boston — Kessel, Lucic; Carolina — Staal, Ward.*
This list alone is the biggest advertisement for watching the World Junior Tournament every holiday season.
This just in - Hawks 7, Nuks 5 - series win, Chicago. Also, Ducks and Wings 0-0 after 1.
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then came back into the league and flamed out
as a head coach, not a GM which is the big difference between the two. As GM you don’t really need to relate to your players like you do as a coach. The players tuned out JL. Did that happen because DR was GM?
So the two are not comprable, IMHO. The only thing they have in common is broadcasting which, mullet is a studio analyst on a network that doesn’t give two shats for hockey. PM is an analyst for a major outlet in canada and for the broadcast network in the states.
G* I think I need to blaspheme for a minute…
Lindsay Soto > Marney
I hate the Ducks. Hate.
Wings had better vanquish them in Game 7.
As a bit of a math guy, Lemmi, I can’t quite agree with the equation
“Lindsay Soto > Marney.” While accurate, I don’t think it’s precise enough. I think a more accurate way to express the value would be something like:
Marney - (20 pounds + 8 years) + personality + talent + blondness - frumpy sweaters = Lindsay Soto.
Any algebra wizards (NINY?) out there who want to do the proof?
I know I’ve mentioned some time-sensitive reasons to get a GM in here quickly, but in reality, there’s plenty of time. The Wild has until July 1 to exclusively negotiate with Marian Gaborik…
…Also, there’s really no insane urgency to hire a coach right away. In my opinion, it’s only essential to have a coach in place by July 1 so free agents know who’s coaching….
I’m still worried. A GM, a coach and attempt to re-sign Gaborik in 48 days. Tick, tick, tick…
…and remember, there’s sort of an unwritten rule in the NHL not to have any big announcements during the Stanley Cup Finals.
Does announcing a new GM count as a ‘big announcement’? If so, mid-June for the GM??? Down to 15 days. Tick, tick, tick…
Or does that mean the hirings may take place at any time and we just won’t hear about it until mid June?
Maybe my worry comes from only really knowing DR as GM. As we know, he never really did anything in a speedy manner. Are other GM’s quicker to make decisions and get stuff done?
Lindsay Soto > Marney
I’ll have to look Ms soto up and get back to you but it’s likely my answer won’t change.
I don’t think there is any reason to belittle ourselves and grab an analyst like Pierre Maguire, when guys with established, credible, proven, experienced track records in Dave McNab, Pat Quinn and Chuck Fletcher. I despise Maguire. I hate him on NBC as an analyst, I hate him on TSN and I hate him even more during the playoffs. He’s an analyst for a reason, and the Wild trying to make him out to be anything more, is not only a mistake, but its comical (and kinda scary).
Bring in a guy that knows what he needs to do as GM. Knows how to negotiate with players. Knows how to manage the team against the salary cap. And knows how to evaluate talent… all attributes I don’t see Maguire possessing (with a slight exception to the talent eval, I guess).
I hate him on NBC as an analyst, I hate him on TSN and I hate him even more during the playoffs.
Once again, reason enough not to hire him.
Oh, and on the whole broadcaster thingy?
Dale Tallon
John Davidson
“PM is an analyst for a major outlet in canada and for the broadcast network in the states.”
I keep hearing that PM would make a good GM because he’s ‘popular’. I still haven’t heard that he’s demonstrated the ability to be an effective GM. Granted the extent of my research is this blog.
I’ll take the guy with a track record of managing an organization (or asst. managing) with a history of turning over stones and finding talent. Which the Wild has never had. That’s why I like McNab then Fletcher.
I know it is not even the same sport, but I don’t want to end up like the Detroit Lions. Matt Millen, an announcer becoming a GM.
As “plugged in” as a guy can be, does not make him a good GM. Like a couple people have stated before, can he manage the cap, and still get good players. Smug spent near the cap, but not on really good players. That is my only concern about PM. I really like the idea of Fletcher, but Pitt is good because they drafted high since the turn of the century. But it seems he can manage the books…
Didn’t PM win a cup as an assistant GM with Pittsburgh?
Lucky says: “But no matter who the GM is they should have one thing in mind for their first objective - take Tom Lynn, Tommy Thompson and Chris Snow and kick all their azzez to the curb! And feel free to clear out any other worthless garbage Risebrough left behind…”
If the GM kicks Snow’s azz to the curb, Russo becomes the next Wild op hockey jock?
Does anyone know how involved Fletcher or McNabb have been with their respective organizations? How do we know that they’ve been managing the cap or have really had a say in signings, drafting, etc?
Sure, they are ‘well respected’ within the league, but so is McGuire. I wouldn’t discount someone with effective communication skills, personality and a vast knowledge of players.
However, I think we’re splitting hairs. Any of those three (and multitudes of others) will be better than Smug.
PM was an assistant coach under Scotty Bowman with the Pens.
Michael - the updated bold item caught my eye and sadly confess my thought was “Russo is a dog”. Then I read the entire update. I retract my thought and offer up thanks for the well worded hook and silliness.
quick reminder (MN, maybe others): property taxes due on the 15th.
One thing that people have to remember is that PM has been part entertainer in his role as a TV analyst. Like him or not when he’s doing that job, but that doesn’t mean that he’d do business as a GM in that exact same fashion.
I’m not advocating that PM is the best choice. I know that he has experience as a coach and worked under Scotty Bowman of all people as an assistant GM. Yes, he hasn’t been managing a team or assisting with a team in 10 years.
My point is that we don’t know what any of those candidates have as a vision. They each have a background and different experience with the sport. I’m pretty sure that each of the supposed top 3 would bring their own set of special skills to the job. However, none of them have had the GM job, and the task with the Wild could be a very challenging one. I am very pleased with the list we have. I think the decision will be made in part based on what the candidates’ vision for the team, based on our numbers and our available talent, both short term and long term.
When big names around the league come out in support of a PM, I find that very intriguing. PM might be the best option for a short term build to success. But, who knows?
Oh nice! T3I’s very own John Royal will be there as well. Nice little reporter contingent for the visiting team.
I wouldn’t discount someone with effective communication skills, personality and a vast knowledge of players.
all of which are qualities i think are at the top of the list when it comes to GMs. Do GM’s really turn over stones to find talent? Or is that the scouting dept who brings these gems to the GM for his approval?
because you don’t like his style as analyst doesn’t equal bad GM.
Re: McGuire
For what it is worth, in the column below McGuire notes that he has been around all sorts of NHL front offices and, coupled with his expereince, has seen what has worked and what has failed. I still favor McNab and Fletcher but to write off McGuire as nothing more than a better Greenly is Sports Guru Dan like logic.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090508.DOWBIGGIN08ART2253/TPStory/Sports
I hope they choose Nanne for GM, Hartsburg for head coach, and then load the team with Minnesota boys… Just for the simple fact that it would be fun to watch the know-nothings on this blog bitch about it for years to come!
Just for the simple fact that it would be fun to watch the know-nothings on this blog bitch about it for years to come!
Wow you need a hobbies beyond your Brain Lawton VHS highlight tape and pretend North Stars Stanley Cup parade routes.
Heh. It’s always the height of funny to me when someone who normally lurks finally snaps and lashes out here. I dunno why it’s so funny but it is. Like, why wait? Why not join in the discussion and have your say along the way rather than snarling in the shadows? Or further, if it sucks, why read it?
ThisBlog Sucks took away 3/4 of an inch that I will never get back.
Not to change the subject here, but I have a question for the masses.
Maybe I’m just not getting it, which wouldn’t be the first time, but is watching the Anaheim Quackers play a hockey game pretty much in the same catagory as watching paint dry? I watched the game last night and just about fell asleep by the middle of the 2nd period. Now then, maybe I should give them credit for nuetralizing the Wings offense, but geez. This isn’t just a knee-jerk thing on my part either because I’ve thought this same thing almost every time I watch them play at the X. They are just BORING AS H*LL to watch. I mean really, they even make the Nuck’s, or the Wild’s for that matter, game look exciting to me.
Is it just me, or does anybody else feel that way too?
Um, kj… you might want to rephrase that.
I think it is just you.
I second the motion to rephrase.
Looks to me like Alan might be using a new handle. 
I nominate TBS for the head “know-nothing” of the blog. Do hear a second?
i’ve heard enzyte will get that 3/4 inch back.
geno, i think that detroit has as much to do with the boring hockey you think you see. I find there style tough to watch. i’ve never stayed with one of there games very long this season.
ThisBlogSucks = HisLifeSucks!
Geno, I agree with your analysis. They clog up the zone as good as anyone and they know they have to since they can’t skate with the Wings. I also think they know that Detroit has success in running the defenseman down on the weak side of the goalie, so if they shut that off, it takes away from their offense. They also have big enough D-men who will use their body to move Holmstrom and others from in front. We’ll see how the Wings respond after the fisticuffs at the end of last night’s game.
the hatred of PM feels similar to the hatred for mike goldberg when he was tv play by play. people hated that he use “with speed” and “big drive” so we dumped him for tehaar who can’t get our own players names right.
See? Wasn’t just me. Though it often is, as you well know, AiH.
Haha, no, I was referring to Geno being unable to watch a Ducks game. I think it is just Geno. I often found myself sucked into a Ducks game this season late at night assuming I didn’t have to watch the FS Ducks feed.
I nominate TBS for the head “know-nothing” of the blog. Do hear a second?
Can’t do it, I am a MKIA man all the way - the track record speaks for itself.
“…took away 3/4 of an inch that I will never get back.” One of the most funny things I’ve read in a while… And hey, I forgot about Brian Lawton. Any idea if he can get out of his contract? That would be great. I think a couple of you would actually pass out if that happened, your lives being so wrapped around this mediocre club and this pathetic blog. I need something more boring to read now. Ms C, any new updates on your blog?
I just wonder why a person takes the time to troll a blog. It just always comes off as sad. Oh well.
Green Star, you were wondering about Ms. Soto
http://www.sidelinehotties.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/lindsay-soto-fsn-1.jpg
Righto…
Ducks. That game last night was boring. At least, I crashed after the first period.
So, you suppose a footlong meatball sub was a good choice before stick and puck in 3 hours? Yeah, should be fine.
Er, I meant “That game last night was boring like my blog.”
Thanks, TBS.
Have fun at the game Russo. Go Aeros!
Geno:
My take on the Western Conference comes from opinions expressed by Lemaire a few years back. He described how most of the teams relied on goaltending and defense and if the Wild were going to succeed in the West, they would have to also. Stay even 5 on 5 and look for your opportunities on the PP.
Vancouver and Anaheim both play that style in my opinion which is why I thought they could both hold off the Hawks and Wings. The Nucks self destructed on the goaltending and discipline side.
Watching teams in the playoffs like the Wings, Hawks and EC teams who can move the puck has reminded me of just how boring the Wild have become. The Nucks and Ducks have that one line of scoring punch that the Wild were missing this year, but otherwise they aren’t that much different.
I’ve still got it in my head that a tight defensive club like the Ducks has a good shot at the SC, but I would be much more entertained watching the Hawks or the Wings against anybody from the East.
Sorry G*. I don’t get your turn off on the Wings style.
—ThisBlog Sucks took away 3/4 of an inch that I will never get back—
Be glad you had it to give.
I think the Ducks play the way the Wild would with Lemaire IF he had some bigger bodies, Scotty and Pronger and Todd Marchant at his disposal. Clog it up, pack ‘em in front of the goalie, make it next to impossible to get anything through, then take advantage of power play opportunities.
And yeah, I think it’s effective, but kinda dull. Especially after you watch Van-Chi, Pit-Was, Bos-Car games.
it could be me but i just havn’t found anything very exciting about detroit’s play. I’d leave montreal, ottawa, philly, rangers, was, pit, calgary, vancouver, hawks…all on longer than detroit.
sure detroit has skill and can move the puck but it seemed, to me, that there was much more action in games that didn’t involve them than games that did. and i’m not talking about the action the PM hating crowd is talking about necessarily.
otherwise they aren’t that much different.
The Wild was also relatively weak on the blue line comparatively to Vancouver and Anaheim, but I think you’re spot on there.
—So, you suppose a footlong…—
A particularly insensitive choice of words when kj is grieving the loss of 3/4 of an inch.
My apologies, kj. I really only wanted 9″ so I had 3″ I could have spared for you.
toivo, Foster, Scott, Johnsson, and Skoula are just as big as the ones you mentioned, but only Scott will hit. Plus 2 of the 3 you mentioned aren’t afraid to jab, trip, poke, cross check, punch, etc. during play and after play has stopped.
Agree with your 12:07 toivo. What I am hoping is that teams like the Wings and Hawks have enough talent to overcome it.
I can’t make up my mind about the Wild D. MAB and Zids are certainly weaker links on the defensive side, but one way to combat the pack ‘em in style is to just keep firing from the points waiting for deflections and rebounds. The Wild GAA speaks well for the team defensively. Burnsie needs to reload, but even with that, I guess I would have to agree that we need some beef to match up well with the Nucks/Ducks on D.
I don’t quite agree, but I do kinda know what you mean about Detroit, G*.
Ah, the inconsistency of Colin Campbell has his the front page of CNN.com.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jim_kelley/05/12/walker.decision/index.html?bcnn=yes
“I really only wanted 9″”
That’s what she said…ahh nevermind.
Hey ms.c… Was it the footlong meatball sub or the frosty malted beverages that washed it down that did ya in?
Either way, ya didn’t miss much…..
Oh please, no drinking before hockey. I’m a bad enough goalie as it is.
I posted this on my boring blog but it’s worth a mention here in case you don’t read that or Puck Daddy. Maybe I’m mean (okay, there’s no maybe) but I’ve watched this 4 times and laughed out loud every time.
When I think of the Wild D, I see a couple of things.
One, a big shortage of grit. They just don’t make it that unpleasant to play against them. Burns is, and I was sure wondering what the heck was wrong with him this season (now I understand) and was worried that Lemaire was trying to turn him into Skoula. Scott, sure, but it’s still TBD what his NHL future looks like. Johnsson, Schultz, Skoula, Zids, MAB and Foster just aren’t that tough. That’s just not their game, and that would be OK if maybe the lineup wasn’t quite so unbalanced that way.
The second thing is that aside from Burns, these guys just aren’t very multi-dimensioned. The Wild’s two stay-at-home guys, Schultz and Skoula, don’t play very physical and contribute almost nothing offensively. Their best offensive weapons, Zids and MAB, and downright scary defensively. I’m not asking for a collection of superstars, but you need guys who are probably a bit more well-rounded.
That cnn article was interesting indeed. What a joke. Why set rules if you are just going to make a judgement call anyway?
MS. C: I would like to retract my earlier comment. Your blog is actually an interesting read. All it needs is a few more links on the right side of the page.
heh heh heh
She said meatball…
Just saw the end of the Ducks-Wings game. That illustrates why I can’t stand the Ducks. There is a reason NHL players voted Pronger the dirtiest player in the NHL. And, the Ducks play that chippy, cheap style. They hook enough that the refs come to accept it and always poke, jab, punch after the whistle. I was very disappointed in the way Detroit came out in the 1st period last night–no fire. I don’t want to see the Ducks move on. A Hawks-Wings series would be as much fun as the Pens-Caps. Fast, puck-moving hockey and generally clean hits (Eager are you listening?).
Here’s some food for the VS debate.
(it pains me to type this…….)
Woodcock….
+1
—I really only wanted 9″ so I had 3″ I could have spared for you.—
This begs for a response, but I absolutely do not know what it should be.
That CNN/SI article is correct. Colin Campbell is embarassing the league and worse, he and his bosses don’t seem to realize it.
On the subject of defensive grit….. I know it makes me feel better when one of our d pushes back in after whistle scrums, but I really wonder how much difference it makes. Detroit’s philosophy is to usually try and take the face wash or cheap shot in hopes that they draw a penalty. Then make them pay with a goal on the PP. They are one of the least penalized teams in the league and they rarely if ever fight although they do have some toughness. I will bet that was JL’s philosophy as well. Burns, Schultz and Skoula can all hold their own positionally from a strength standpoint. I don’t think it would hurt if they developed a more aggressive reputation, but the Nucks are as chippy and scrappy as they come and it did them no good.
Speaking of Sports Illustrated, remember our discussion about the NHL on Versus and how nobody is watching?
A very good article today on Time.Com via Sports illustrated:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1897847,00.html
It describes how tonight’s game, Crosby vs. Ovechkin, Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, should be a major media event. It’s the type of dream rivalry that can single handedly renew a sport. This should be making Sports section top headlines! And where is it being featured? On Versus, CHANNEL 603!! Somewhere between the Polish Women’s TV Network and Walla, Walla, Washington Cable Access TV. Do Americans even know that this is happening tonight?
Not to resurrect an old debate, but it’s a timely argument given that this upcoming game 7 is probably one of my most highly anticipated games of the year. And yes, it doesn’t even feature the Canucks!
VS and weekend NBC coverage is the only substantial thing the NHL could get at the time. ESPN, Fox, and etc said no because they projected NHL ratings decreasing every year. However, new people recently took over at ESPN and have shown interest in airing the NHL once again.
As for Walker not being suspended. Well…
Offender:
Superstar
Injured:
Enforcer - nothing
Roleplayer - maybe a fine
Superstar - a fine and maybe a suspension
Offender:
Roleplayer (what Walker is)
Injured:
Enforcer - fine
Roleplayer - fine and maybe a suspension
Superstar - fine and suspension
Offender:
Enforcer
Injured:
Enforcer - fine and suspension if not from a fight
Roleplayer - huge fine and suspension
Superstar - record fine and suspension for player and management, maybe a ban from NHL
Repeat Offender Bonus: If person is repeat offender, multiply the punishment by 2. Does not apply to Superstars.
Alan you are right. This kind of game should definitely be on a CBS/NBC type broadcast so the entire country can see it. I like VS’ broadcasts, but it isn’t exactly a popular network.
I was again watching the end of the Wing’s game last night. Interesting how Pronger skated Lidstrom away from the melee as time elapsed. Niedermayer’s elbow alone on Datsyuk is a suspendable event, period. The only thing that will prevent it is the fact they didn’t suspend Holmstrom’s elbow on Wisniewski earlier in the series. Perry attacking Rafalski. This whole deal was clearly premeditated and under the rules requires punishment. But it’s game 7. Not going to happen in the Colin Campbell era, but I sure hope it lit a fire under Datsyuk, the Wings and their fans.
Stoned, You are absolutely on the money on the defensive grit point and positional strength. It is not just about blasting a guy–ask Jurcina who was busy blasting a guy in the corner giving up a critical 2 on 1 that cost his team a goal in the series. lj, not sure why it should pain you so much–I am neither Alan nor MKIA.
NHLPA’93 says:
May 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I think that is a good breakdown. Seems about right to me.
The irony of Versus is that the better they do with their coverage, the more interest is developed, the more likely they lose their contract to one of the bigger horses which I am not sure is the best way to go in this day and age.
I am pleased with their coverage. I think it would behoove the NHL and Versus to work together to grow the visibility of Versus as the hockey network.
I realize Versus isn’t NBC, but is it common that the major cable providers that offer ESPN don’t offer Versus? If you’ve got widespread cable access, then the issue is getting viewers to switch to channel 601 or whatever Versus is on.
woodcock:
nor are you SGD
Did Russo comment on if he is just in Milwaukee to watch or is he going to cover the game with a story and quotes?
I think Russo is more on the ‘Wild GM search’ beat and following the mayor of Waxdale, Wisc., rather than the Houston-Milwaukee tilt… Hopefully the Megabus trip to Milwaukee was fun, Michael.
Wow, things got kinda harsh this afternoon!
kj, sorry for your loss of 3/4in.
ms.c, I happen to find your blog very entertaining. Especially when you talk about playing goalie. Very funny. Please ignore the haters.
—Wow, things got kinda harsh this afternoon!—
Playoff intensity. Nothing unusual.
I have soccer on Wednesday nights (here come the soccer jokes) and my wife “needs” to tape (yes, as in, VHS) American Idolater. Unless I can find a torrent later on, I’m going to miss the ending of perhaps one of the best Game Sevens ever. I… I think I might actually cry. :’(
Time to send her a message.
Don’t worry, JMP, I do. I’m such a hoor for stats that I don’t care whether you’re bored or not, as long as you click.
And if you like my goalie adventures… oh man, well, today’s isn’t very funny because I’m pssed at myself (what else is new), but there’s more coming in a minute.
JL would put her on the far end of the bench and let her sit for a few shifts.
Dude. You seriously need to upgrade your tv watching. The soccer is nothing compared to using a VCR still. Tivo will save your marriage!
Let’s say Gaby walks via free agency this Summer. Who’s opposed to being the New York Islanders for 1 season?
Lucky - as long as DiPietro and his wonky groins don’t come with the title, and there’s another Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin/Staal/Stamkos/Taveres available
2 goals in 8 seconds from Crosby… wow.
4-0
Ouch Caps.
3/4 of an inch is nothing compared to what’s going on in Wasington.
Dress Downey/McCarty for Abdelkader and at the end of the game, regardless of the outcome, Perry is dragged out of the handshake line and bloodied.
wow!!! 5-0….caps are just playing horrible. bad time for that
5-0 Pens….did someone forget to tell the Caps there was a game?
Getting back to the grit thing. I think taking the Detroit approach is fine, but it seemed to me that the Wild were based more on the Anaheim/Vancouver model (or maybe that should be they are riffing off of the Wild model?). I know that you can’t really argue with the results of the Wild’s overall defense, but it did seem to me that a bit of an edge added to the mix certainly wouldn’t hurt, and does seem to be an effective “feature” of the Ducks and Canucks style. That’s what I was getting at.
Note, I don’t want them to play that way, but since that defense-first was the way they were, it would make sense to me to have that.
jay ferguson… +1
I believe this is what’s known as an anti-climax.
This game reminds me of the Pens/NStars Finals game 6. Complete domination.
Except Washington scored…:)
Geez, I get home to watch the game I have been so excited to see and it is out of reach. jayferguson I am with you on that. But just win Wings, ok.
Any updates from Milwaukee? Russo, where are you? (Or did you never make it beyond Mader’s, a few blocks away??)
3-1 Aeros in the 2nd period, 3 minutes left
“This game reminds me of the Pens/NStars Finals game 6. Complete domination.”
I was at a bar in N MN for a softball tourney and we went into a little bar to watch this game. “Free drinks every time the Stars score” was the bars promotion….and they put up the goose egg. Damnit.
Admirals just scored 3-2, less than a minute left in the 2nd.
After the Pens went 5-0, I turned off the pens-caps game and tuned into the Aeros game.
Atta girl, sunshine!
Pewter…I was at the game. Hey…at least I saw the Cup awarded.
—This game reminds me of the Pens/NStars Finals game 6.—
Well thanks for bringing that up. Years of therapy and psychotropic meds to combat the PTSD from that debacle. I was just starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and Boom! Right back into the black hole. What a let down that night at The Met was. But I did get to see Mario hoist the Cup so I got that going for me. 8-0?
Can’t argue with your logic toivo. We’ll see what happens tomorrow night. If the Wings and Hawks prevail, the style du jour may drift away from the Ducks/Nucks style.
Has Corey Perry always been a _ _ _ _?
(insert your favorite descriptor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUr_qek_W2I
Encrimson’d says:
– I’m going to miss the ending of perhaps one of the best Game Sevens ever–
Just a heads up. You might want to go with Idol tonight.
SOtB…
Best thing really. I could tell your therapy was going nowhere.
One of my favorite ‘throwaway’ movie lines.
Aeros scored — Lundblom 4-2, 14:20 minutes left in 3rd
2:29 left, goalie pulled — Aeros holding on.
5-2 — Locke scored an empty netter
That was the 2nd goal for Locke, scored the first goal of the night — he has 9 goals in the post-season.
Less than 1 minute left.
Aeros are going to the Western Conference Finals since 2003.
Aeros Won! Aeros Won!
So does that mean Tom Lynn is our next GM?
And Constantine is your new coach!
And I meant to say…
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! EFF YEAH!!!!!
Congrats,ms. c!
Constantine does know how to win Game 7s. He’s won all of them. (I think.)
Thanks for listening in, Sunshine.
—Best thing really. I could tell your therapy was going nowhere—
Ahh well. That will leave me a little more discretionary income for fava beans and a nice chianti.
Congrats to the Aeros.
I think Mister Know it all needs to shed some light Sunshine and Misconduct
Your Aeros stink and they dont matter. Just tell Mister Know it all how the real players are doing that might make the big team like Pouliot, Locke etc etc
Houston cant draw what are high school teams draw for attendance. Stick a fork in your Aeros !. Mazatlan Mexico with a rink on the beach would get more attention then those stinky Aeros
Just tell me what players could we consider for next years Wild squad
LOL You can’t rattle me tonight, MKIA. I’m SO happy.
Your right know it all, Russo cared so much about the game he forgot to report the score and blog
I wish I was there to celebrate with you Misconduct. Maybe that might rattle you ?
You’re right. That would rattle me.
I’m due for stiff drink, ladies and gents. That was as tense a 2 hours as I’ve felt in a long time.
Constantine and Lynn are doing such a great job with with Houston.
Let’s keep them there.
LOL BF… I’m okay with that.
More Canucks fallout, firsthand reporting here…
http://jtbourne.wordpress.com/
What a good way to start my day! Add in the Aeros win (maybe our farm system isn’t as bare as we think?)…
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