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What do you think about how the finding of lead in venison might change hunting?

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April 11th, 2008 at 7:43 am

I don’t think it will or should affect hunting. If you look at how many deer are butchered and eaten every year and years past to how many cases there has been of lead poisoning or lead found it is pretty small. I would like to know where the lead was found. Was it when the deer was being processed or in a package of processed meat. You will find lead when you are processing the deer if the bullet entered the meat but all of that meat should be removed. When I was taught to clean a deer we removed all of the blood shot meat from around the bullet hole which is where the lead fragments would be. Hunters and meat packers must be diligent in cleaning and processing the meat and everything should be fine. The media also has some responsibilty in reporting the entire facts so as to not scare people with something that is not a big deal.

Jeff Ballard

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April 11th, 2008 at 7:44 am

In today’s world I think we worry far too much about some things. How many people have you heard of that died from eating venison that has traces of lead in it? I have never heard of one. We’ve been hunting and eating whatever we bag for generations. To throw away thousands of pounds of venison being held at foodshelves because it may have a tiny bit of lead in it is absolutely crazy, some people desperately need and can use this meat.

Another case of someone trying to make a molehill into a mountain.

Randy Kircher

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April 11th, 2008 at 8:04 am

I live in Wisconsin but hunt in both Minnesota and Wisc. I will still hunt as much but I doubt that the food shelf programs will take the donated venison. This means that there will be more deer, more deer damage, more car accidents and more crop damage.

Pat Casey

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April 11th, 2008 at 8:46 am

For the private hunter that does his own meat cutting this should be a non-issue. It starts before a shot is even fired with accurate shot placement and continues through proper game handling right to the cutting and wrapping table and the decision as to what is kept and what is discarded.

Curt Fisher

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April 11th, 2008 at 8:58 am

Frankly, I don’t think this story will much affect the number of people heading out for their weekend killing sprees. So long as I’ve been alive, hunters have cooked up fancy explanations as to why killing deer is necessary, conveniently supporting their desire to get out of town for a fun weekend with “the boys”. The majority of hunters hunt for fun, not for food. I don’t think they’ll be too concerned about an article on lead-laden venison.

Nick Coughlin

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:07 am

Has any testing been done on meat other than venison processed by these processors?
Perhaps it’s not the animal but rather the equipment used.

F. Gatz

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:10 am

Jeff Ballard has it correct.
In reality they could test ANY MILK from the shelf of ANY STORE and find bacteria that is FATAL to humans. Would I stop buying milk? Nope.

More people have LEAD fillings for their teeth but you don’t see to many MEDIA hackles running to the press to report on it. It is a non-issue and slow-news day.

Brian Johnson

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:17 am

Eric Atherton wrote a great article on this topic in last night’s Rochester Post Bulletin. Read the article, and it will all make sense. My family will continue to hunt and eat venison.

Brian Kobs

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am

I cannot eat fish due to the mercury, now I cannot eat deer due to the lead. Maybe I would be better off eating fish and deer rather than risk downer cow hamburger.

V Neva

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:49 am

I don’t think this is so much about hunting, not hunting, believing or not believing in hunting. The problem here is that no matter what anyone does these days, there is a problem with it and people go to the extremes when something like this comes up. Yes, lead is a problem and always has been. But, for those folks that have hunted all their lives and have eaten venison every year of their life, the facts would show that the lead that is contained in this meat really isn’t a problem. If it was a problem, wouldn’t we have people dying or having other problems, at a rate that we would find hard to believe? Yes, I hunt. Yes I eat the meat. Lead has never been a problem for me or anyone in my family and I’m sure that if that meat was tested, they could find some amount of lead in it. This country needs to get back to the basics and stop going to the extremes over every little thing. We have become a sue happy country. This is just another instance of going way overboard on an issue like this.

Gary Bocock

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April 11th, 2008 at 9:55 am

Maybe we should here more about the methods of the processor, as they are being paid for this service. What are thier guidlines for food safety in this issue and are they following the same methods of inspection as they are for any other meat product that is distributed commercially. The thought of donating is great but it must be followed through from field to table to insure a safe product

Greg Gerhart

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April 11th, 2008 at 10:17 am

Several important issues have been brought to light here. Of all of the hunters that I know, each and every one of them (myself included) eat the meat that they harvest. To say that we do it for fun is true, however the vast majority DO eat the meat that is taken. Making sure that your meat is safe starts before a shot is even taken, proper placement and intelligent shooting are the first keys. Once you have harvested an animal one needs to be dilligent in making sure that the clotted blood is removed from the shot area as was mentioned before. Once the animal has been dressed and hung to allow the meat to cool and remaining blood to drip out of the cavity, you need to make sure that the animal is brought to butcher within a reasonable amount of time. These are too often things that are not emphasized enough in hunter education classes. By taking the proper steps, we dont need to worry about such things as lead poisoning. That being said, I do not know of a single case of a person becoming ill as a result of lead in venison. The unfortunate thing about these stories is that the media will once again draw negative publicity to hunters and those of us that practice responsible hunting activites (which contrary to popular belief are the MAJORITY OF HUNTERS!).

Steve Brandon

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April 11th, 2008 at 11:12 am

This is simply a baby-step in the anti-hunting/anti-gun movement. California is banning lead everything in the name of “Condor protection” - which by the way is a Democratic movement. Today there is a bill being proposed in Minnesota that would make lead shot illegal on all public land, another Dem movement - and we all know there agenda. Is there a possiblility of a lead fragment in wild game, of course. Is there a possiblity that, like mercury, that it’s coming from a natural substance that wild game consume - absolutely. This is all about politics and very little of nothing to do with consumer heath protection. Unfortunately this will effect the good intentions of hunters to donate meat to food shelves - the loosers: Those in need.

Craig K.

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April 11th, 2008 at 11:16 am

The reason there is a lot of lead in them critteres is that what are called Hunters are merely people that dont know how to hunt.So they blast 6 shells into said critter.Thus causing a lot of lead. And not knowing what else to do-give the Beast away.

ed gein

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April 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Seems to be a very unfortunate overreaction typical of preceived health threats in this day and age. The bottom line is someone that eats venison or other lean game meat on a regular basis will live longer than someone eating only beef and other domestic livestock.
Hopefully inspectors and other regulators will be able to provide processors with some simple steps to properly trim game meat.Hopefully this is done quickly to minimize this hunter PR nightmare.

Donn V

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April 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

I’m 61 , raised 4 kids ( no seatbelts ) We have to many groups & people that have nothing better to do than cause problems were there are none.
Live your life , there is more to worry about than meat or fish. Thank you Dwight

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April 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

I’m 61 , raised 4 kids ( no seatbelts ) We have to many groups & people that have nothing better to do than cause problems were there are none.
Live your life , there is more to worry about than meat or fish. To the people that complain, GET A LIFE. Thank you Dwight

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April 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

An important statement that seems to be overlooked is the suggestion by Rick Watson that hunters switch to “copper bullets”. Is Rick Watson, or the Trib’ aware that almost all hunting rounds are copper jacketed and it is illegal in MN to hunt with full metal jacket, steel core rounds?

The rule requiring soft point ammunition for big game in MN is to prevent needless suffering of the animal.

As has been said numerous times, it’s the processing, not the projectile. Has the DNR weighed in on this with a real statement? These articles that the Trib is running are needless fear mongering.

Janos Schumacher

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April 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

I’m in my 60’s and have eaten wild game my entire life, just as my family has. That includes venison and fowl, all taken with some form of shot that usually included lead. Is it a surprise that some lead (or copper slivers) will be found? Absolutely not. No different than finding a rare bone splinter in processed hamburger, a pit in a pitted olive, a fish bone, a pebble in peanuts, a sand grain in wild rice or a discolored grain in pure, highly processed white rice. How did we handle it? With common sense; you pick it out or spit it out.

My father ran a meat processing plant for many years and processed thousands of animals, both wild and domestic. Proper trimming eliminates most of the risks that were found. Along with bullet fragments in wild game, I recall seeing pork, beef and venison with large wood splinters, wire, and other metal imbedded in weird places, and not related to hunting. When found, it was dealt with but even with close scrutiny, I’m sure some escaped detection.

Frankly, I think this whole subject is being overblown, perhaps with assistance from anti-hunting forces,(Re; Rochester article). It’s a crying shame to see this meat wasted. A better choice would have been to donate it back to unsuccessful hunters who would understand how to use it, or trade it to hunters for a cash donation. Then let the food shelf folks go back to handing out rice, lima beans,mac and cheese and other so-called ’safe’ foods. Where’s the common sense?

Allan Beilke

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April 12th, 2008 at 6:39 am

My family is hooked on lead. Once we eat all the venison in the freezer we go straight for the bullets in the gun safe. I prefer a heavy 180 grain Federal Hi-Shok while my wife favors the lighter 150 grain boat tail spitzer. I’d like to see a state bullet tax to fund a new lead dependency treatment center so my family can break it’s addiction and start to live a normal life again.

Steve Klumb

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April 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Sounds like the press was taken in again by special interest groups. This dermatologist, Dr. Cornatzer who is a member of the Peregrine fund which advocates the banning of lead bullets and is antihunting,presented a scary scenario. To bad it wasn’t given a fair evaluation of benefits and risks. It was a shame that he caused all this fine food to be disposed of rather than be used to the benefit of the many who need good healthy protein. It is much more healthful than processed beef, chicken and pork which is fat and has been enhanced with hormones and chemicals to promote rapid growth. According to his reasoning we should dispose of all the wounded veterans of our wars who have carried lead for years in their tissues. Also plumbers and trades people who have soldered and had lead splash and burn into their skin. And those with old amalgam fillings. Also all the hunters such as myself who have eaten venison, pheasants and duck for many decades. We even occasionally swallowed a lead shot. I have eaten wild game for over 70 years at least once a week and consider it to have contributed to my good health despite its miniscule amount of lead contamination. It didn’t affect my mind too much either as I managed to achieve a Doctorate degree. This whole thing is such a sham and what a waste of perfectly good healthy food. Makes me wonder if I should continue to contribute to the food shelves if they are so quick waste thousands of pounds of a perfectly good food source. Larry Gallagher M.D.

Larry Gallagher M.D.

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April 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

From reading the article it makes me wonder who is processing the carcass? Since the relaxation of federal meat inspections several years ago we have seen increases of recalls of store boughten meat. Now the alternative sources are being hit which is leaner and better for people then PORK. Heck the Muslims won’t even touch PORK because it is unclean and on the list from God not to eat.
I’ve been a part of processing my own venision since 15 years old. Anything hit or blood soaked gets tossed. Yes, I hunt down south in shotgun zone but that lead bullet doesn’t fall apart on impact - I pulled a couple out of a few deer. If any came off it is in the blood soaked meat that is discarded. So who is processing it? They should watch the History channel segment on meat processing. Heck lets buss the kids to the meat packing plant and have them see where there meat comes from. The PETA people can be the tour guides along with the child psychologists - so you weed out the mental ones early and people start eating more fruits and vegetables.
Should lead bullets be outlawed? When the technology comes of age to replace it Yes. But alternatives like depleted uranium the military uses is not my cup of tea since I would get lead poising from the box that held them. Yes, the salmonella would be ionized like store bought meat but I would get cancer quicker then from the farm chemicals that the deer ingests. Copper bullets are not a alternative since copper thefts are on the rise and then only the rich could afford to hunt.

Tom McCoy

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April 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

I am primarily a bowhunter and as all bowhunters know there is no lead in archery equipment. It’s a really sad situation to think that nobody ever thought enough to sort the donated meat into the type of harvest method used (via lisc. records) and the clean veinson is tossed out with all the rest.

It angers me that MDA, DNR, MDH have no common sense to properly educate people on the “real” instead of the “perceived” risk. People are rioting across the rest of the world due to food shortages and prices and here in the US we throw out perfectly good food due to some misplaced fear over a potential contaminant that has likely been in wild game since people first started harvesting animals with firearms.

If any food shelf wants the donated meat that was tossed out replaced with venison taken via archery I’ll be the first to stand in line to empty my freezer today. Fellow bowhunters, I challenge you to do the same.

swampthing

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April 19th, 2008 at 10:45 am

The losers in this “scare” will be the foodshelves. My family butchers our own venison, never using meat close to the wound. I never have, nor will I ever, worry about lead poisoning. Maybe the foodshelves should change their processing people rather than stop taking it. I thought I was doing a good thing donating my deer; I guess not. I’m happy to process it myself and put it my freezer to enjoy on the grill, in chili and in all sorts of other yummy dishes.

Rick P

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April 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am

It’s interesting that a scare story like this should come out on the front page of the Star Tribune just as the legislature is about to hear a bill which could possibly ban the use of lead ammunition for hunting. I believe this is just another “back-door” ploy from the anti-gun crowd to limit the use of firearms for any reason. They can’t make any progress against the firearms so the next logical step would be to limit the ammunition available.

Rob J

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April 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

When we read this ridiculous story, we wondered who has an adjenda this time. We have eaten and fed venison to our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. We are all fine. Lets not get carried away again with trivial data.
Ken and Carol M.

Carol Maish

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April 23rd, 2008 at 10:02 am

Am I concerned? Not hardly. Perhaps more effort should be concentrated on proper carcass handling and butchering.

I use quality ammunition, remove all blood shot meat, and prefer neck shots in general (and don’t care for neck roasts…). If deer are being mass butchered on a production line for food shelf consumption, then it’s likely that less care is taken than when we butcher it ourselves. A small particle can easily be mixed in with a vat full of burger.

That said, I find it hard to believe that the amount present really poses a danger. Crossing the street can be far more lethal. Put into the perspective of how many animals have been shot and consumed with no ill effect over the last 600 years of firearms, I’m not too worried.

ted wentink

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